Quixtar BLOG Discussion

I have long been a proponent of the idea that the Amway Corpn. is not just an innocent pawn in the hands of the AQMOs, but that they are FULLY AWARE of the scam that is being perpetrated in Amway's name. That they are deliberately looking the other way or even actively encouraging the fraud, to continue to rake in the moolah.

A recent e-mail I got from a former IBO, just adds to that conviction.

Here's what the "Compassionate" Capitalism Guru's company is doing, here's the text of the e-mail:

until about a year or so ago, i noticed on the Q website, my upline sapphire was listed as "platinum", it turned out my platinum had not qualifed for years, but was always introduced as 'platinum'. How do I know this? A crossline Ibo called q and asked WHO his platinum was? They told him our SAPPHIRE was the platinum! This means the sapphire was NOT qualifying for sapphire either, just platinum. I always noticed that my platinum was not listed as my platinum but never thought it made any difference. However, NOW they are listed as "Upline" (not platinum, that i thought was really a sapphire), and "sponsor" (who i thought was really my platinum). THERE IS NO REFERENCE MADE AS TO THEIR PIN LEVELS. THIS MEANS Q KNOWS PINS ARE MISREPRESENTING THEMSELVES, AND THEY CHANGED THE REPORTING SO NOT TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF THAT.

THIS SEEMINGLY MINOR CHANGE IS PROOF THEY KNOW MISPRERESNTATIONS ARE BEING MADE. MAYBE THIS IS THE REASON FOR THE ACCREDITATION STUFF, THOUGH I'M SURE THEY WON'T EVER ADMIT THAT.

I'LL BET ONLY HIGHER PINS EVEN REALIZE THE SIGNIFICANCE, OR EVEN NOTICED THE CHANGE IN REPORTING.

THE SOLUTION, IS EVERY IBO CAN CALL Q AND ASK "WHO IS MY PLATINUM? MT EMERALD? MY DIAMOND?

AS IT TURNS OUT, MY 2 UPLINE EMERALDS ARE NOT ON THE Q-12 LIST; WHEN I TOLD MY FORMER PLATINUM ABOUT ONE OF THE EMERALDS, HE ASKED IF THE OTHER EMERALD WAS Q-12. SEEMS LIKE MY FORMER PLATINUM IS FEELING SOME GUILT ABOUT BEING INTRODUCED AS 'PLATINUM' WHEN HE IS NOT. HE IS TAKING SOME HEAT ABOUT THAT TOO.

Makes me mad as hell! That this company has been allowed to financially rape hundreds of thousands of folks, and our legislators and regulators are sitting and twiddling their thumbs!

Here's a further e-mail I got from the ex-IBO in response to a clarification I asked:

Amway previously posted the pin level of your upline, on your "Line of Sponsorship" page, on the website.


for example: (NOT REAL NAMES)

POSTED:
Joe Smith - Platinum
Harry Jones - Sponsor

as long as I knew both these fellows, Joe Smith was a 'sapphire', not a platinum, and implied by others to be making $100k per year.

Harry Jones was known, and always introduced as our 'Platinum' to be making that "$3000 per month range"

I always thought it odd they (Quixtar) did not reference BOTH of these fellows by their proper pin level . I even worried were they getting credited the proper BV. I just thought they were old 'pin levels' that were just not updated, no big deal.

Turns out, a crossline Ibo (crossline to me but downline to both of these people) CALLED QUIXTAR to question that. He was told, the the 'Sapphire', Joe Smith was our PLATINUM.

BOTH OF THESE FELLOWS HAD NOT REQUALIFED AT WHAT THEY WERE INTRODUCED AND REPRESENTED AS.

They both admitted that they hadn't requalified when pressed about the issue.
LATER, Quixtar quietly REMOVED any reference to actual "pin" level.

WEBSITE NOW reads:
Joe Smith - "Upline" (no longer reads 'platinum', which we thought was a 'sapphire')
Harry Jones - "Sponsor"

Quixtar is covering their tracks since they know these guys are representing themselves a higher pins. The previous entry is proof. NOW, you, as an Ibo don't know WHAT pin your upline really is, since quixtar removed the proof and evidence.

a little, little tiny change in how people are reported, that the average Ibo would never even notice. I NOTICED, but would never have known WHY if a crossline Ibo had not called.

I think it ties into the WWDB thingy where they give a pin two (2) years to re-qualify for their pin levele before demotion. I think Mevi did a piece when WWDB diamond Scott Harimoto went down to emerald.

In all fairness, the fact that the IBO called Quixtar and got an honest answer regarding the pin level of their upline says the Corp isn't being completely dishonest.

But yes, I remember enrollment forms as asking for "sponsor" "Platinum" and "Diamond", I'm pretty sure. If someone was filling them out, listing a non-qualified IBO as "Platinum" - then that sure sounds like an outright lie to me.

But I was always told that a person is "recognized" at their highest attained "pin". So even if I had only achieved it ONCE in my lifetime - I would always be known as "Diamond Deb". And that's not AMO-speak; but "Corporate-speak". It could have changed since I left - but that's how it was for decades.

Of course, the AMOs compounded the problem, because to admit that someone who had been edified as a Diamond, was now only an Emerald or even less.....would be admitting that the "system" DOESN'T work. So who'd follow it; and pay all that money to the Kingpins??

Deb

Deb,

The dishonesty is not in the fact that the Corpn. is not telling the 'real' pin-level when somebody calls. They would never be able to pull something that brazen, off.

The dishonesty is in the fact that, they have the incorrect pin on their web-site, and when somebody calls to verify that, they immediately take away the reference on the website.

They'd rather the IBO remain IN THE DARK, about the ACTUAL pin-level of their upline. They'd rather, the AQMOs continue the deception of pins parading around with 'fake pins'.

A little off topic, but the AMO's do the same thing with the Eagle program. An Eagleship is usually just a snap shot of one month an IBO qualified. I found Eagles that only qualified once by taking family members to functions and counting husband and wives as individual legs.

During the open meetings the speaker would ask everyone who has (past tense) reached 1,000PV level to stand up. I knew that most of the IBO's who stood up didn't requalify. Some of them didn't even have teams anymore.

How long does Quixtar recognize your current pin before they drop you back for not requalifing?

Well, always to ME, that's for sure. And not in an Am/Quix way.

It's not bad if WWDB is actually doing that. I BWW, they are always - I mean always referred to by their last highest pin that they achieved. This one local couple qualified Sapphire last year. Their one leg was already qualified for years and years together. Their second leg, who claim to be qualified Platinums, have lost their whole group since they qualified platinums, still this couple shows plans in local open meetings - does nightowls - does everything. They are and always will be platinums per BWW.

I also know of one Emerald in GALA team - their name is Paresh and Nina Shah, who are no longer emeralds, and so they are never talked about. I guess they might have quit the business now.

<<<SMOOCH!>>>

Deb

I don't think that smaller pins who are not qualified are of much significance. It's the bigger pins (emerald and up) that are of significane because they portray a lifestyle that they say is acquired by quixtar. If they are not qualified or ifthey make their money from tools and are not qualified, then it's deceptive to have them parading on stage advertising their success.

I just checked and I noticed the same thing. The person formerly listed as my Platinum is now listed as my Upline. I think it's very silly because they also list the "sponsor." Isn't my sponsor my upline?

I also used to wonder why my "emerald" was listed as my "platinum." (That happened until several months ago.) Of course, I had no clue that people answering to a pin level didn't necessarily requalify as that pin. If that's not deception, I don't know what is. I mean, the real problem is not calling someone Platinum who no longer qualifies for the pin. The problem is not making it clear to prospects and IBOs that the person no longer qualifies or that a title does not necessarily reflect an IBOs current status.

Eagle is not a PIN or anything associated with the corporation. I can also tell you that for the most part, people are not recognized as Eagles unless they qualify the month prior to the function. My upline Diamond actually only recognizes Eagles who qualify 2 months out of a quarter. And we're talking the whole thing. A full 12 registered legs etc etc etc.

The only thing I think they should do for Eagle is raise the member client qual to 150PV or something. I know anyway who is a qualified Eagle has way more than 50PV member client volume but they should add it into the qual.

Who is your upline diamond -your immediate upline Diamond?

I've already stated that I'm not going to put my Upline Diamonds name on this board because I don't want any critics here to even attempt to drag his name into the mud.

He builds the business with integrity and I've never heard his name mentioned here so I'll keep that way.

So by writing his name here he'll be in some kind of danger?

Absurd