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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:17 pm 
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He said to me he did receive some serious threats from time to time.

It happens online, since it's so easy to threat. Some times I wish I was anonymous.


Recently? After his "outing?"

Do you recieve threats Imran?


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He said to me he did receive some serious threats from time to time.

It happens online, since it's so easy to threat. Some times I wish I was anonymous.


Recently? After his "outing?"

Do you recieve threats Imran?

Well he said since he's been online. I think he implied since he's been posting about quixtar / amway.

I may have. But they were related to politics. Admittedly, I was anti-US zealot.

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Sorry, but I don't buy what Insider is selling...and it's not Q* products. He says he received serious threats? But then admits that his outing took longer than he expected, implying we were too simple to figure it out sooner? Then why didn't he try to hide his identity? He states it was so simple to find out who he was. Who here wouldn't go to some lengths to hide their true identity if they received serious threats? Something isn't adding up....as usual when it comes to Insider. :roll:

If he had received threats after being outed, you can bet your life he would have made a very big deal out of it...rightfully so....but, he hasn't to my knowledge said anything about his outing leading to threats.

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Sorry, but I don't buy what Insider is selling...and it's not Q* products. He says he received serious threats? But then admits that his outing took longer than he expected, implying we were too simple to figure it out sooner? Then why didn't he try to hide his identity? He states it was so simple to find out who he was. Who here wouldn't go to some lengths to hide their true identity if they received serious threats? Something isn't adding up....as usual when it comes to Insider. :roll:

If he had received threats after being outed, you can bet your life he would have made a very big deal out of it...rightfully so....but, he hasn't to my knowledge said anything about his outing leading to threats.


I think you read Imran wrong. Insider has recieved threats since he has "been online defending Quixtar" which we know has been for over a decade. He has not said he has recieved threats since he was outed.

You don't need to know Insiders name to send him an anonymous e-mail. He publishes an e-mail address on all his sites.


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That was my point. I don't think he received threats at any time. He most certainly would have made a bigger deal of it....anything to knock the critics down right? He didn't receive them before, during or after his outing and probably won't...no one cares enough to threaten him. We all have had discussions with him, we have all been able to punch holes in his twisted logic and a 5 year old could combat his idiotic spinning of everything....no reason to threaten him. In my opinion, IF anyone had any reason to threaten him, it would be IBO's, but seeing how loyal they are to each other, I highly doubt it...so back to he never received any threats.


What he is and has been worried about, is his precious corp. I can imagine they would be more than happy to shut him up...come to think of it....didn't he say something along those lines in his response to being outed?

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Wow! Things have been happening around here. I have only had the chance to check in very briefly for the past week or more.

Just getting up to speed on all of this and one thought in particular that I have found amusing from reading all the posts in this thread is that -

since insider is really a "nobody" in terms of his career in the amway business and even though that he has now been outed and many of his lies and manipulations will be even more evident than before he can really just fade back into being a nobody (albeit with a little less "expert status" than before, perhaps). What I find amusing about this is that his returning to simply being "insider" will be a case of insider = david = insider, sort of not unlike amway = quixtar = amway hey? Maybe it's just my sense of humour?

I was quite taken by a part of the post on amquixinfo. Scott quotes an email he received from David in 1999 concerning in particular the amo that my wife and I were very heavilly involved in -

"Hi Scott,I try not be mean, but there's an Amway group here in Australia called IDA thats an offshoot of Yager's. We call them "Idiots Doing Amway" - we suffer all same "perception" issues from people doing dumb things as everyone there."

This is very damning for insider from my point of view. A search of my posts here will reveal many discussions that I had with insider here where he was vehemently arguing against our experience and yet all the while he was aware of the practices of ida. He was also aware of the fact that hundreds of thousands of people have been through the ida organization over the years and he made no comment as to the scope or magnitude of the damage that may have been done financially or otherwise to such peoples lives.

I have said several times that I found it incredulous that he would operate a website entitled anything remotely connected with "truth about amway or quixtar" when it was plainly evident that his whole purpose was spinning and weaving and manipulating and outright lying to further the campaign of abuse and manipulation and the outright ripping off of many hundreds of thousands of people the world over by amo organizations.

Now that his identity is known perhaps some who have been led to believe his outright lies and as a result have continued pouring their hard earned cash, their time and their emotional resources into pursuing "the dream" will realize that he too has deceived them. Perhaps they can actually point to his websites and his tens of thousands of posts over the internet to show that he (insider) knowingly and willingly, maintained an ongoing campaign to ensure the deceptions rampant within the amo organizations were downplayed at worst and kept hidden at best.

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IBOFightback Re:Took them long enough ..... 22 Hours, 44 Minutes ago Karma: 104
hahhaha,

well, I kind of feel a little sorry for the "critics" actually. They've been so desperate to work this out for soooo long .... and what do they finally get? I'm exactly who I've said I am all along! No corp plant, no diamond family member, no conspiracy of people etc etc etc.

Gotta be disappointing



Really???? EXACTLY who you said you were? Are you sh*tting me? Not to mention....I think wacko here has a little bloated idea of what we think of him...Has anyone here really been desperately trying to work out his identity for soooo long?

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Wow! Things have been happening around here. I have only had the chance to check in very briefly for the past week or more.

Just getting up to speed on all of this and one thought in particular that I have found amusing from reading all the posts in this thread is that -

since insider is really a "nobody" in terms of his career in the amway business and even though that he has now been outed and many of his lies and manipulations will be even more evident than before he can really just fade back into being a nobody (albeit with a little less "expert status" than before, perhaps). What I find amusing about this is that his returning to simply being "insider" will be a case of insider = david = insider, sort of not unlike amway = quixtar = amway hey? Maybe it's just my sense of humour?

I was quite taken by a part of the post on amquixinfo. Scott quotes an email he received from David in 1999 concerning in particular the amo that my wife and I were very heavilly involved in -

"Hi Scott,I try not be mean, but there's an Amway group here in Australia called IDA thats an offshoot of Yager's. We call them "Idiots Doing Amway" - we suffer all same "perception" issues from people doing dumb things as everyone there."

This is very damning for insider from my point of view. A search of my posts here will reveal many discussions that I had with insider here where he was vehemently arguing against our experience and yet all the while he was aware of the practices of ida. He was also aware of the fact that hundreds of thousands of people have been through the ida organization over the years and he made no comment as to the scope or magnitude of the damage that may have been done financially or otherwise to such peoples lives.

I have said several times that I found it incredulous that he would operate a website entitled anything remotely connected with "truth about amway or quixtar" when it was plainly evident that his whole purpose was spinning and weaving and manipulating and outright lying to further the campaign of abuse and manipulation and the outright ripping off of many hundreds of thousands of people the world over by amo organizations.

Now that his identity is known perhaps some who have been led to believe his outright lies and as a result have continued pouring their hard earned cash, their time and their emotional resources into pursuing "the dream" will realize that he too has deceived them. Perhaps they can actually point to his websites and his tens of thousands of posts over the internet to show that he (insider) knowingly and willingly, maintained an ongoing campaign to ensure the deceptions rampant within the amo organizations were downplayed at worst and kept hidden at best.


Thank you for taking the time to post all that. I think we will come across these little gems for a long time. He's been exposed for only a short time, and evidence of his hypocrisy is flooding in. I wonder what we will find next.


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IBOFightback Re:Took them long enough ..... 22 Hours, 44 Minutes ago Karma: 104
hahhaha,

well, I kind of feel a little sorry for the "critics" actually. They've been so desperate to work this out for soooo long .... and what do they finally get? I'm exactly who I've said I am all along! No corp plant, no diamond family member, no conspiracy of people etc etc etc.

Gotta be disappointing



Really???? EXACTLY who you said you were? Are you sh*tting me? Not to mention....I think wacko here has a little bloated idea of what we think of him...Has anyone here really been desperately trying to work out his identity for soooo long?


Spinsider is just pandering to his cult worshippers. He has a lot of work to do to save face.


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IBOFightback Re:Took them long enough ..... 22 Hours, 44 Minutes ago Karma: 104
hahhaha,

well, I kind of feel a little sorry for the "critics" actually. They've been so desperate to work this out for soooo long .... and what do they finally get? I'm exactly who I've said I am all along! No corp plant, no diamond family member, no conspiracy of people etc etc etc.

Gotta be disappointing



Really???? EXACTLY who you said you were? Are you sh*tting me? Not to mention....I think wacko here has a little bloated idea of what we think of him...Has anyone here really been desperately trying to work out his identity for soooo long?

Count my 20 minutes, I was angry and revealed Sweden IP (which I shouldn't)

Before and after that don't care. Love to know the pin. That's all.

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Imran wrote:
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IBOFightback Re:Took them long enough ..... 22 Hours, 44 Minutes ago Karma: 104
hahhaha,

well, I kind of feel a little sorry for the "critics" actually. They've been so desperate to work this out for soooo long .... and what do they finally get? I'm exactly who I've said I am all along! No corp plant, no diamond family member, no conspiracy of people etc etc etc.

Gotta be disappointing



Really???? EXACTLY who you said you were? Are you sh*tting me? Not to mention....I think wacko here has a little bloated idea of what we think of him...Has anyone here really been desperately trying to work out his identity for soooo long?

Count my 20 minutes, I was angry and revealed Sweden IP (which I shouldn't)

Before and after that don't care. Love to know the pin. That's all.


I haven't wasted one second trying to work out his identity. I deduced that he was playing a game of manipulation and deceit during my first conversation with him. Since that time evidence has mounted only to fully support that assessment.

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On the other hand, I 'fink' there were many ppl asking and trying to find about his identity. There are many post here. Writing those post takes time (I know, it's like nathan calling pot black). So...

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Well with 33 pages dedicated to revealing insider's identity. I think a few were more than a bit curious. Gee wonder what your all going to talk about when this hot topic cools off?

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Sorry – I got a little carried away with myself in my previous post. I want to make an official retraction to my previous post.

Just to clarify:

I was wrong and I will never release or disclose to anyone the “private” (meaning information that can’t be simply Googled or found on the internet) information I have on David Steadson. I was in the wrong to “threaten” to hold this information over his head. I am truly sorry for that. It would be nice if David would come forward and admit to this information since it is directly related to his true motivation for creating thetruthaboutamway.com website. However, I do not think that he will.

Please pay attention to the definition that I am using for private and public information. (For example, if I know what his pv was 8 years ago but it is not available on the internet then it is considered “private” information and not released)

To appease Imran, I admit to being the real slim shady. I was the person who originally discovered that David Steadson was Insider. I subsequently disclosed this information to Whoz. In my defense, all of the information I disclosed to Whoz was publically available. (Easily found on the internet) No private (meaning information not easily found on the internet or information not available on the internet) information was disclosed.

I also want to say that this will be my last post here.

You guys are a great bunch of people and I wish you all the best.

On edit: It took me about a month to determine his identity and to confirm it. I had a lot of false leads. If I would have done it correctly from the start then I would have been able to determine his identity in a matter of hours. Hind sight is always 20/20.

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Real Slim Shady!!!

Well, sad to see you go. I hope insider post here once a while, to keep the wraiths alive.

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