Quixtar BLOG Discussion

The likes of IBOfighbtack, Bridgett, Weareyed and others don't come around anymore because they are unable to defend the lies and deception spread by upline in the past. They are also unable to show that the business actually works. David Steadson hit 100 PV in 2008. Assuming that is insider/ibofb, he hasn't even shown that he can make anything of the business he so fiercely defends. In fact, all the nice stories he told while a member of Qblog is not down the drain as he was apparently lying. Why is it so common for IBOs and Amway enthusiasts to lie? Is the truth not sufficient to promote your "awesome" business?

I'm still waiting for an Amway apologist to name the "many-a-diamond" who rents their home.

I can name more diamonds who quit or had their homes foreclosed than Bridgett can name who "rent their homes".

The reason why "advocates" don't spend time on this site is because it's a waste of time. The like of you and Scott Larsen appear to have little to criticise Amway about and instead have resorted to being nothing but gossip mongers. You take things like that 3% notification (which was so important I didn't even know about it!) and spin wild stories because you've nothing else to say. 3% is neither my current level nor my highest level and the listing was simply an odd anamoly caused by some unusual ciricumstances. The fact I haven't even been in Australia since 2000 should give you a clue something's up. Not that it matters - if all you've got to talk about is me, it says a lot about how well Amway is doing, doesn't it! Oh, but that's right, you don't only talk about me, you and your ilk also gossip and speculate about a Diamond (one of thousands) in bankruptcy over an apparent tax dispute, another Diamond (one of thousands) getting divorced, and, shock horror, a Diamond selling a house way way to big for a couple getting on in years!!

There's no mention of dramatic price drops in a whole range of Amway products.
There's no mention of extensive free training programs.
There's no mention of increases in cash bonuses for new IBOs.
There's no mention of increases in bonuses for higher awards.
There's no mention of Amway technology being used in Dell laptops.
There's no mention of Amway being rated one of Korea's favourite foreign companies.
There's no mention of Artistry products being nominated for product of the year in the UK.
There's no mention of all the new Diamonds and above in the US.
There's no mention of the *thousands* of qualified Diamonds who attended the 50th anniversary celebrations.
There's no mention of all the positive press about Nutrilite in the media and blogs following the 75th anniversary.
etc etc etc

Nope, all you've got left in your desperate struggles to maintain your world view is clueless, ignorant gossip, rumour, innuendo, and speculation.

pathetic.

From what I can see in my limited time spent on Amway forums - it's not that they are unable to defend the lies from the past; because what I see is their stance AGAINST that kind of abuse.

Just my opinion, of course...

Deb

Your problem is you always try to minimize any problems or embarrassing issues that arise. You tried to pass yourself off as a self proclaimed expert on Amway and then to find your name in the first time 100 PV club was signifcant (and funny). To have heard a triple diamond criticize and demonize people for taking out mortgages to buy homes and then go bankrupt and unable to pay his own mortgage is ironic and he is deserving of being scoffed at. And why Amway still gets criticized is because people are still being sucked into the systems and getting hosed right under Amway's nose. And you can try to dismiss the bankruptcy and divorces, but there weren't thousands of diamonds in the US.

Frankly if you minded your own business and stuck to Amway Australia, you wouldn't have made a buffoon out of yourself as you did here.

Steadson, have you even been to North America? Do you have any idea how much of a taboo topic Amway is in North America?

Do you understand that the profitability of Amway depends almost exclusively on overseas success? In the US and Canada, they're pooched. It's that bad.

IMHO, Amway has done absolutely DICK to address the problems, they've simply weathered the storm here, and looked towards Europe and Asia for their future. The slashed the hell out of their prices so they had a chance of not being booted out of a country.

The prices here are still high, and the name is still laughed at.

North Americans don't attempt to speak of what's going on overseas. Maybe your ego could learn something from that. you obviously are completely out of touch with what your hero business (that you aren't very good at by the looks of it) is doing on this side of the planet.

Can you explain why your name was at 100 PV? You say it's inaccurate. Unless you can substantiate otherwise, I'll believe what I see.

Plus the fact that i consider you to be less than credible about all things Amway.

I don't know why I'm bothering responding, but what the heck. Last comment here again for a while, I just get sick of the false rumour mongering.

Yes I've been to the US, indeed I spent several months living there some years back. Yes I've spoken to Americans about Amway, and had much the same response as in Australia, ie some interested, some never heard of it, some heard of it with no real knowledge or opinion, some thought it was a scam. The latter was the smallest group.

Amway North America is currently growing substantially. Outside of the TEAM exodus in 2007/2008, Amway North America grew substantially in 2008 as well. There are 500-1000 new platinums every year and many new diamonds and above. Contrary to your claims, business is going well, and contrary to your claims, Amway has done a lot to address problems, as evidence by the fact there's virtually no new "critics".

The 100PV notification was a for a new Amway business I setup in Australia after I left that has zero PV most months, however I occasionally have had some people want to buy stuff so they've signed up as customers on that account. Apparently that went over 3% one month - entirely customer volume, that stuff you claim doesn't exist. I assume it's entirely accurate for that business, I honestly don't know as I don't track it as all. I didn't even know about this 3% thing until you guys orgasmed over it.

Frankly I don't care whether you think I'm credible or not. That's why when I make claims I generally link to sources rather than just rambling on with gossip. I've said that right from my first posts on this forum - I'm irrelevant, look at the facts, here they are.

ciao

Seriously you guys - you are making me a defender of Insider/IBOFB.

Do you REALLY believe a 3% IBO has his level of knowledge????? When *I* am seeking factual information, I have a few go-to people who know what the he!! they're talking about, and Insider is one of them. I probably PM back and forth more with HIM than anyone else. I can't say that I've ever caught him telling lies. Yes, he ferociously defends his position; and when he wants, he'll parse you to death. But he DOES listen to us (or he wouldn't be here Johnny-on-the-spot) and I believe he's making good stuff happen. He GETS it that AMO abuse hurts IBOS - and unlike the rest of us - he's in a position to do something about it (Bridgett, too). If you completely alienate these people - you've lost a valuable resource. Really.

Deb

I'm sure Amway stopped reporting North American sales and went global because it was flattering to them. Define substantially. What new diamonds? Apparently your 100 PV business is losing money unless there are no fees for it. And you're not credible. You have clearly proven that. Ciao yourself.

Deb, nobody said he wasn't knowledgeable. But he is deceptive when describing certain aspects of the business. And you probably haven't been exposed to some of what this man says outside of this forum. If you were, you might have a different opinion.

Just before insider got "outed", he tried to make it look like your nephew was "insider". Although you said he gave an explanation, what if your
nephew had been hurt because of that. How would you have felt?

I really doubt my nephew (many times removed) would have been "hurt" - simply confused if the "wrath of the critics" swarmed over him. I mean, I was scared TO DEATH when *I* was outed - simply because I was on my way to Alaska (can you say "Out of Touch"?!) and my 2 daughters were at home. I feared the "wrath" of the "pros" - but in reality - nobody really cared, I guess? And Insider and I have talked about it - and he apologized. I'm not the sort who tends to harbor grudges - and apparently, neither is he?

And that was in 2006. There's been a LOT of changes since then, in the way Amway deals with AMOs and IBOs. I'm not saying it's perfect - but I DO think it's better than it has been in decades. There's still pockets of resistance, and some misinformation out there - and Insider and Bridgett have been outspoken about weeding them out. Maybe, if we really want to stop the abuse - we should be asking those who are in a position to do something about it - how we can help?????

I personally have found the "opposition" more than willing to aid me in certain specific circumstances.

Deb

When you first slithered into this forum, you said you were in Australia and you called others "mate". So now you admit you were lying (again)?

You cannot help buy lie can you JoeCool? I never said I was in Australia when I joined the forum.

Why are you so desperate to attack me? Why are you so desperate to attack Amway? What *is* your motivation? As Deb has pointed out, Amway has made many, many changes over the past years and most, if not all, of the legitimate issues raised by critics have been significantly improved. But you simply don't care, so actually *fixing* things is clearly not part of your motivation.

So one has to inquire (and not expect an honest answer) -

On another site (Tex's I think), an anonymous commentator who clearly knows a lot about you said that one of your former downline is now a platinum. Is this true? Did you quit when you still had downline, and some of them have gone on to success? Is this why you're so bitter? Are you're just trying to justify this to yourself by demonizing Amway?

Let's be clear about something here. You started the name calling, and posting the Joecool threat story. You never denied sending or having a hand in sending me at least one of the interesting emails that I received last year. You also tried to pass off anonymous disparaging comments about my wife on my blog but you got caught. So get off your pompous high horse and take your medicine like a man. When I quit, 1 or 2 of my downline was stil active. I don't know if one of them went platinum or not, nor do I care since they are probably not making much of a profit for their efforts at that level anyway. BTW, you are a liar. All your stories about helping people go diamond, etc etc all while you were inactive. More lies?

Umm, no. You started the whole "joecool threat story". That's well documented. You accused IBOs of making up false stories and threatening you with blackmail. Want me to highlight it all again, including all the stuff you deleted off your blog? I still have copies of it all.



Fine, I deny it. I don't think I've ever sent you any emails except replies to the fake ones with URL image bugs you or one of your associates were sending me when trying to work out my identity. If I recall I asked you to post the "threat" emails you claimed to have received so you could backup your claims - you didn't.



I've never disparaged your wife on your blog, let alone "been caught". You're either making stuff up or just plain confused. I've no idea what you're talking about. If someone disparaged your wife, it most certainly wasn't me. Not my style at all, and nothing I would endorse either.



More lies from you perhaps. I never claimed I ever helped anyone going diamond. The only thing remotely approaching that was a fellow who emailed me when he was about 6% thanking me for my website (this is my old site from a decade ago) because he was thinking of quitting after reading all the crap on the 'net. He's now a Diamond.

So, one of your former downline may have gone Platinum but you deny knowledge of it? You claim all this knowledge about how Amway operates today, yet you don't even know what's happened in your own group in your own town!!!

But hey, I guess I can't criticise - I didn't even know I'd qualified 3%

Insider is a liar. He denies sending me the threat but admits he had a hand in it. I guess you forgot about the couple who mailed you a letter thanking you for you help in going diamond. More lies by insider here:

Insider said : "Part of the site is a blog and is clearly labeled as such. Other parts, particularly the "Facts" section are fully sourced with third party sources provided. As discussed, the other sources for this section are blogs or the equivalent as well too. Own links are "allowable" if you are considered an "expert" in the area and even the critics on the most popular quixtar forum, webraw.com/forum have granted me that status"

Ought to do some research that looks at USA gross volume in 1999 and 2000. Then look at published volume of compay after launch of Quixtar. To my knowledge, USA Volume was approx 2.1 Billion prior to 2001. 1st yr Quixtar in USA 400-600 million. This will tell story of who has built a diamondship in quixtar. Can't happen. I am one of retired and am a qualified EDC after Quixtar launched. No growth a loss of 1.8Billion. Ken puts the spin on growth as this yr now doing ? in USA. We'll never really know anything more than they want folks to promote.
Posted by: insider | September 20, 2004 3:46 PM

Beth Dornan wrote: I was disturbed to read that someone who has been critical of this business has been harassed and disparaging information about him posted by a cyber bully Insider was the only one to post disparaging information about Joecool.

http://www.amquix.info/steadson_amway_zealot.html