Their Own Words Archive
August 2, 2006
In Their Own Words - 13
Posted by Xanadustc
This week, John Crowe tells us about the truth that Bill will teach:
Bill Britt will teach you truth tonight. You may not agree with everything he says, just remember, don’t questions Bill Britt’s fruits; question the fruits of the people who taught you have you think. So that by the knowledge you bring to the function tonight, is to let you think a certain way, well your certain way of thinking has brought you this far…
Download Listen to Britt [MP3] BWW166 “Stay Young at Heart”.
So let us get this right: Everything I know is wrong, and I am to cast it off in favor of what Bill knows because he has money? Next, why does he assume that my thinking is so bad? Is he judging me by the external standard of money (That is the proper context of that verse you are all thinking of)? Not a good thing for a person on the board of directors for Gospel Communications to do from stage unrepentantly!
What is that teaching all about anyway? I wrote about it here.
July 26, 2006
In Their Own Words - 12
Posted by Xanadustc
Apparently logical questions are not allowed in TEAM if you are talking to Doug Stroh:
I can remember sitting down at a plan…I was just starting to feel really confident with my self and I had so much posture that the business was going to work, I was about 4000 PV or something and I showed this guy the plan and I got about three quarters of the way through it and he said, “Well, what is the price of the products?” I had the piece of paper on the table, I turned it over, slammed it down, and I said, “We don’t need to continue if you are going to base the business on the price of the products.”
Download Product Price [MP3] Doug Stroh, This is What I Do (SOL99)
The context is that his speech was about ‘posture’ which is defined in this business as how well you present your conviction that this business works. He concluded this remark by saying that he used to much posture in this case, yet he never went back to address the issue. This is a very common response to a direct and logical question with many system IBOs.
July 19, 2006
In Their Own Words - 11
Posted by Xanadustc
Back to BWW this week, Danny Snipes tells us how to have a stress free life:
So many of you, you fell in love, and you didn’t have financial pressure, and now because of bills and jobs, and things like that, you got pressure, and you know what? You still love that person, but it’s hard to even remember back to what they were when they did not have pressure. You need to get this business built so you are stress free.
» Download Stress Free [MP3] From People of Strength, Team of Strength (BWW164)
You will not have a stress free life if you just have more money. Frankly, it will not get any better, but it may possibly get worse. You will have all those cars and houses to keep up with; all those salaries to pay; all those taxes to pay (or dodge if Danny follows his upline Larry in full submission like he often says); all those people asking for money.
My point, there is stress in life in any station you are at, it does not matter which station, neither one is universally better or worse than the other. You should seek to do the best you can do in this life, but that could mean not making more money and sometimes it does.
All that aside, does this business really help you make a lot of money? Not for the masses it doesn't. but the upline’s make a lot of money on selling the system.
July 12, 2006
In Their Own Words - 10
Posted by Xanadustc
Another from Chris Smith about where to find your names:
There is your wedding list. I have a couple on my team…who are getting married pretty soon. When they made their wedding list, more people popped into their brain to put on their real list. It’s just a natural thing. If you are married right now, go back to your wedding list. Now listen, they came to your wedding to eat free food. They owe you! I that’s a neglected thing that needs to be mentioned here. I had 250 people show up to eat chicken. They owe me.
Wedding List [MP3], PPS82; The Names List, Chris Smith
This is interesting. I thought that people show up to your wedding to show their support to you for your first steps into your new life. Why do they owe me? What happens if this gets followed to it’s logical conclusion?
July 5, 2006
In Their Own Words - 9
Posted by Xanadustc
For today’s clip, I reach into a newly acquired box of tapes from TEAM. According to Chris Smith:
So why am I going through all this? Because, our system… is the answer to most of the questions that you have.
Why won’t someone make a big names list? Probably because they are not doing those three things.
So if you are listening for the first time, or you are hearing this on tape, stop what you’re doing right now, call the person that got you started, or let the person that brought you here, and ask to be on the system. You need to be on tape of the week and book of the month. That is absolutely vital. Everything else doesn’t matter until you are on that. At some point you have to be a part of that. That is what is going to set you free in this, because you need to grow and change as you grow along.
Download Need System [MP3] “The Names List”, PPS82, Team of Destiny
I wonder if Quixtar would agree to that. Frankly, I do not see how being on the Standing Order programs help to write down a list of names. I also thought the system participation was optional, not mandatory, (of course, success is not either!)
June 28, 2006
In Their Own Words - 8
Posted by Xanadustc
Who is correct about the number of people that make Diamond? ThisBizNow or Danny?
A lot of people say, ‘well, how many people go Diamond?’ Everybody that wants to, everybody that sticks in there. ‘How many people succeed?’ Everybody that sticks in there.
Who Succeeds [MP3 Download], BWW164: People of Strength, Team of Strength.
That sounds a little deceptive, does it not?
June 21, 2006
In Their Own Words - 7
Posted by Xanadustc
In this installment, we learn that Danny Snipes thinks BWW is the best:
Of course we got the Britt Team, and the Britt System…the BWW system…the best educational system there is! Stack it up against anything out there…any other training system for business owners, any college education, this produces more people succeeding in life than any other system there is out there. Period! Bar-none…the best!
» Download BWW Best [MP3] From “People of Strength, Team of Strength”, BWW164
First, let us say that almost every system claims that they are the best. Are they lying, lunatics, or over-excited (or any other option I forgot)?
Regarding college education, I think that if you are speaking in terms of whole-population financial success rates, I would argue that the average income of a college graduate hovers around the $30-50,000 range (for a reference, simply Google ‘Average Income College Graduate’ and you will get a host of news articles and reports). The average Quixtar income is around $1380 directly from Quixtar (note that some will argue that average has dropped, I pulled $115 a month from the SA-4400 on the main Quixtar page).
If so many are succeeding, why do only 1 in 14,000 make it to the coveted Diamond level? Why do only 1 in 400 make it to the average income of $42,000?
My final point, since Danny has left BWW to join LTD, which does he say is the best now?
June 14, 2006
In Their Own Words - 6
Posted by Xanadustc
This week, we learn that we are not doing good (as long as we have a job, anyway).
In John Crowe’s own words:
How about this one: ‘Well, I’m already doing well, I’m already doing really well.’ Compared to who? [sic] What standard of ‘Mr. Bigshot’ do you have? You’re doing well compared to Paul Miller? Bill Britt? I love it when people go, ‘I’m doing pretty good.’ Let me give you a hint: If you have to go to work, you ain’t doing very good.
» Doing Good [MP3] John Crowe, BWW166, ‘Stay Young at Heart’
If I am hearing John correctly, we need to compare ourselves to other people and we have to find some way of producing enough money to never work again.
Never mind the fact that comparing yourself to other people is absolutely fruitless.
Never mind the fact that work is a great thing to do. Whether you are giving your skills to better mankind or to just put food on the table, you are a person deserving of all the love and respect that any other person would get. Let us not forget that!
Let us also not forget that research shows you have a better shot of getting rich playing the roulette wheel in Vegas than making money in an MLM [PDF].
So, if I need to go to work to pay my bills, I am not doing good, huh? Am I less of a man than if I rob people blind for a motivational tape that they do not need or profit off of a product that is way over priced?
June 7, 2006
In Their Own Words - 5
Posted by Xanadustc
In today’s clip, John Crowe tells us that:
We never leave each other, folks. You may leave us, but we will never leave you. We will never quit on you. You can quit on us, we will never quit on you.
» Never Quit on You [MP3] from BWW166 “Stay Young at Heart”
The long, long line of shattered dreams tells otherwise. That is all I have to say.
May 31, 2006
In Their Own Words - 4
Posted by Xanadustc
In this clip, we get to see some of the parenting skills take root as Larry Winters teaches his kids about work ethic:
» Winters Kids (mp3) (From BWW151 – The Badge of Honor):
Larry: Real fast, for all the new people, tell ‘em what happens if you study hard, and go get a J-O-B. What happens if you end up- tell them what happens if you get a job?
Ricky: You have no time, and you sit in a cubical and have no fun at all.
Larry: What happens when you have a job, Steven?
Steven: You’re broke and your life sucks!
Larry: That’s my boys!
(Note, I edited four seconds of audience screaming at the end and replaced with 0.5 seconds of silence.)
This just sickens me. Let's forget the fact that work is a Biblical mandate for just a second and consider the purely social circumstances of this. Larry has successfully trained his children that work is meaningless. He has trained them that no one ever succeeds with a job, despite the fact that the whole culture is based on this trend with the exception of a few anomalies. The world is not totally broke, but persons can be if they are not wise and disciplined in their spending.
Next, let us consider our time at work. My life does not suck because I work, quite the opposite, my work allows me time to use my God-given skills to do something. But on top of that, I have many good friends at work that I can talk to and hang out with while we are engaging in our responsibilities.
UPDATE
I need to clarify a point here. Thanks to Brad for bringing it up. When I said, "Larry has successfully trained his children that work is meaningless" above, I thought it was obvious that I was talking about a job, but there has been some confusion.
For those curious, this whole tape was about a "good work ethic", but Larry constantly defined a good work ethic as being CORE in BWW while simultaniously de-edifying the J.O.B. That is the point I was making, I was under the impression that the context of the paragraph was clear, but I wanted to clarify anyway.
May 24, 2006
In Their Own Words - 3
Posted by Xanadustc
In this clip, John Crowe talks to us about cults with relation to Quixtar:
How many of you heard this: “Well, you are in a cult.” Have you heard that yet? If you haven’t, you will. It is usually by people who are very spiritually immature, brand new church goers, and they do nothing but parrot back what some other people have heard. They have the confidence that always goes with ignorance…If you look up the word ‘cult’ it’s something that separates you from God. Sounds like what a job is.
» Cult [mp3] (BWW166; Stay Young at Heart)
We need to examine this a little out of order. First, consider this line: If you look up the word ‘cult’ it’s something that separates you from God.
Dictionary.com gives us a few interesting definitions:
A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
Using this definition BWW often mentions God, as John does all throughout this tape, so it is valid.
Is the theology in BWW considered to be false by mainstream Christianity? I believe so because it is an off-shoot of the word-faith movement, which is anything but Biblically sound.
Do the followers live in unconventional manners? I believe so. Witness the tapes, books, conferences across the landscape, diets of protein bars, energy drinks, and lots of vitamins.
Do they have a charismatic leader? Again, it certainly appears that many in BWW have a deep devotion to the organization Diamonds and Bill Britt.
Consider this definition:
Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
I think this one speaks for itself...
Funny, but John Crowe’s “something that separates you from God” is not anywhere in the definition. It is also well noted that work is indeed a Biblical mandate and it in no way separates you from God.
Now, let’s consider the phrase "It is usually by people who are very spiritually immature, brand new church goers, and they do nothing but parrot back what some other people have heard."
Wrong, it is usually by people who have done their homework like cult expert Steve Hassen.
Does this prove they are a cult? No but I would encourage you to take your experience and look at some of the useful definitions of cults:
As you can tell, there is a lot more to this issue than simply looking up a word in a dictionary.
May 17, 2006
In Their Own Words - 2
Posted by Xanadustc
In this little clip, Pam Winters tell us that “We do need a jet, and God will supply all our needs.”
We need a jet and God will provide (BWW151; Badge of Honor)
This is just the type of “give me the goods” theology the BWW system, and arguably some other motivational organizations, use in their tools.
When you have gotten to this level, chances are that God will have given you over to your lusts and desires (as per Romans 1:22-24). Pam does not need a jet any more than Joyce Myers needs another pair of long dangly earrings, but they will probably end up getting what they “need” anyway.
May 10, 2006
In Their Own Words - 1
Posted by Xanadustc
This is a new weekly post where we will get to hear some speakers from BWW and possibly other Motivational Organizations in their own words teaching how to be successful.
In Larry’s Own Words (Clip from BWW151: The Badge of Honor) (MP3, 103 Kb)
In this clip, Larry Winters seems to take the world and reduce it to two forms: the smart (the ones in the business) and the stupid (who “can’t count to six”). Let us examine the three things that Larry suggests:
Count to Six
First, for those who don't know what "count to six" means, Larry is referring to getting six people to the Platinum level (7500 PV for six months in the fiscal year) which will make you a Diamond. Now, I can count to six perfectly well, that does not mean I am going to get six people who will totally cooperate and go Platinum.
Do 100 PV
Every product you buy from Quixtar has a point value associated with it. The amount of PV you have will determine your rebate, from 3 – 25 percent. This does not include the fact that many of the products are very expensive (but this might depend on where you live.). If I just have to buy 100 PV, that might be doable, but if I am going to follow the Quixtar rules and sell 70 percent of what I buy, I might run into problems (See update below).
Ask somebody if they want to make extra money
This is referred to as Contacting. I analyzed a contacting tape on SOT blog and Drew has talked about contacting on his podcast. I know that I did this all the time, but many people are not very open to have a total stranger walk up to them and offer them a business deal. It seems desperate if not weird.
UPDATE: In the September 2005 rules compendium, the 70% Rule only included sales, but in the November 2005 rules update, personal use is now consider here. The compendium availble from Quixtar does not reflect this change, but under IBO business management section, we can find the update:
4.18. Seventy Percent Rule: An IBO must sell, at a commercially reasonable price, at least 70% of the total amount of products he or she purchased during a given month in order to receive the Performance Bonus or recognition due on all the products purchased; if the IBO fails to sell at least 70%, then such IBO may be paid that percentage of Performance Bonus measured by the amount of products that can be shown to have been actually sold, rather than the amount of products purchased, and recognized accordingly. For purposes of this Rule, products used for personal or family consumption or given out as samples are also considered as part of the sales volume. (Emphasis mine)
This can help Larry's case here, but never-the-less, let us not forget about the member client rule:
4.22. Member/Client Volume: In order to obtain the right to earn a Performance Bonus on downline volume during a given month, an IBO must (a) make not less than one sale to each of 10 different retail customers (e.g., Members or Clients); or (b) have at least 50 PV of sales to any number of retail customers; or (c) have $100 at Member/Client Volume Cost. Member/Client Volume Rule Cost shall mean the published IBO cost for all items or any orders sold to a Member or Client, or the actual price paid to Partner Stores by Members or Clients. If applicable, Partner Store Member/Client Volume Rule Cost is applied in the month when the Corporation credits Partner Store Volume to an IBOs business.
Clarifiying points: You still need to somehow get rid of 70% of your inventory, but it does not matter how anymore, and if you can not do 100 PV, than Larry still says you are stupid. Sorry Larry, I must be stupid because I choose to buy my products a lot cheaper elsewhere.