Reader Mail Archive
June 12, 2006
Monday Reader Mail: 80
Posted by QBlog
Virtually every corporation puts out material to inform and motivate its employees. I routinely receive such content and it's never bothered me in the way that it seems to bother today's Reader Mail author. But then again, I never had to pay for that corporate content. As always, my comments appear in bold.
name: Brian
date: June 7, 2006
message: Just a few things I've noticed recently about Quixtar. I'm sure it's the same for most lines of sponsorship... but the firs thing was
1) price of catalogs.
They make you pay for these right? I've seen the ones my wife gets, and there is a price on them...WHAT business charges you for catalogs? If Macy's charged for a catalog, wouldn't most people jusy refrain from buying things from them? They cost 4 or 5 bucks too...if I recall correctly.
I can't recall if we paid for the catalogs or not. I know when my wife was a Quixtar Member we didn't get charged for the catalogs that came in the mail.
2) The Achieve magazine.
These things are HORRIBLE as far as being a tool to help IBO's, all they do is make the sickness worse. I watched my wife literally tear up while reading the lateset issue (if you haven't seen it, by all means, totally hilarious...Diamond who looks like Sean Penn, made it as a single dad, the business "helped" eventually make he and his wife get along...way too funny)
I don't know if I ever read an Achieve magazine but I've heard it's gone downhill since one of its editors left.
Anyway, I asked her what was so good about the article, and I got the reply something to the effect that, if you KNOW you have something that WORKS, and you've seen it work...it could be the one thing that inspires someone to do something great with their life, then it's totally worth it, and you should want to work harder, and share it with more people.
I would hardly call a check for $14 a month "working"..but it goes back to the mindset, that these diamond success stories, and seeing people they "know" in the magazine all makes them think that they need to work harder. Without having a tape, or a meeting the fire gets re-lit.
The other thing that's odd is that the stories in those magazines seemt o focus on different types of stories, so they can motivate single parents, immigrint families, older people, etc.
It's no secret that a significant portion of Quixtar's growth comes from minorities and immigrants. It would make sense that they'd want to appeal to those demographics.
June 5, 2006
Monday Reader Mail: 79
Posted by QBlog
In light of recent meetings with WWDB leaders I thought it appropriate to publish a Reader Mail from someone claiming to have been involved with that organization.
name: Mr Gregg
date: May 24, 2006
message: I have a sad story. In the summer of 2005 I joined the WorldWide organization. In response to information my new employer shared with me. I invested only $70. I can only say that it was an educational expense.
All of what was shared to me, could be disproved with observant open mind. I disproved the claim WorldWide had no high priced celebrities. My opinion is: the emerald and diamond levels are internal celebrites, with their bonus money, publicity, and perks.
The prices seemed to be quite unreasonable, why would a person pay $10 for something that sells for $6 locally, but if your lucky get $1 back at the end of the month. Big business practise, use someone else's money not their own.
I then went out and interviewed persons employed at businesses that are partner stores, and also checked the on-line pricing compared to the price if you just walked in theier store. In many experiences the prices were higher on-line as compared to walking in the store. The sales people were also affected, if they are paid base salary and comission. They would either not recieve this comission or a smaller amount. One stored informed me, their profit margine is lower for on-line products. Doesn't this hurt an independant business owner? Dont they have expenses?
My tail ends when I did not renew membership January 2006, and my employer was informed by WorldWide. There seemed to be a negative influence on the work environment.
"It was said many times to me that I did not know the plan, or I didn't want to work hard." Suddenly, I was told, my attitude change and it was shown in my "posture".
Well as you can tell I was fired, and my employer claims I quit. Now I am forced goto trial to get unemployment benefits. From what I have read I maybe one of the lucky ones.
I don't know if Mr Gregg's tale is true but he certainly has the grammar skills of a fired up IBO. I'm kidding!
May 29, 2006
Monday Reader Mail: 78
Posted by QBlog
I don't get much Reader Mail from outside North America so I'm excited to share this particular submission from down under. As always, I left the message intact without edits and my comments appear in bold.
name: Shane S.
date: May 16, 2006
message: Do you actually have any brain function for business success. Have you heard of intellectual property.
Yes, I'm very familiar with Intellectual Property and how the Internet has challenged traditional ideas about its protection and distribution.
I have built a Q12 Platinum business in Australia. I have built a sales program (for instant cash for my IBO team, a lead generation program from this sales program to find new IBOs. You want people like me who attract traffic to the website and spending - to go and speak at a seminar, and have 1000s of people around Australia learn what I teach (i am a high school teacher) & take my speeches, which I try to make inspirational as well as educational - and then give away that knowledge which I have accumulated through experience. How do you propose that a training system be sustainbale when people are not paid.
I've never suggested that people should not be paid for their work. I do know that training a Quixtar (or Amway) downline is a requirement of the Business Rules and rewards are provided (in the form of a thriving downline) if done correctly.
Oh thats right if the payment amount for speakers is above a limit you decide then it is ok. Of course your bum chum BO (redcoat) Short who I have met several times - took heaps of money for speaking in Australia - oh the integrity of following a man who purchased legs for Diamond qualifiaction. Poor Bo, he did not know what he was doing - he just got talked into being paid $20,000 for his Aussie tours.
Interesting comments. Is Shane condemning Short for his downline purchases and receiving money for speaking? Or are those actions to be commended? I've never defended Short's actions with Quixtar (or Amway) but merely sought to set the record straight regarding his involvement with that business.
Just so you know, the people that use ourt motivational training do grow, develop and get something out of it. Of course if we give it away as you stupidly suggest, then the value of the information declines. How do I know? - because when I download mp3s for free from the web, I don't listen to them a s closley as for the one s I pay for.
Using this logic the likelihood of a downline listening to motivational audio increases as the price increases. Why not charge $5,000 for each recorded seminar or rally?
You clown trouser, success has a price - in any field - I have spent 3 hours with Dexter once and I have no prtoblem with his free enterprise approach to being wealthy - from speeches and cds, functions - why? becasue business is about bums on seats - if you could attract people you deserve the money - of course you ability to influence large numbers of people in business probably does not exist.
Funny, I thought this business was about selling products. Silly me.
Do you have a problem with Bill gates, The Wal Mart family, Micheal Dell - who are your business heroes? Lets examine tehm and find out the price they paid for success.
Great question. Some of my business heroes include Steve Jobs, Sergey Brin & Larry Page, Jeff Bezos, Herbert Kelleher and Fred Smith.
Your proposal about the system is a s dumb ass as it gets. How do pay people people to put the system together if their is no profit? Of course you would argue that their should be your limits of profit set, once it is past that we should communise the system. Well done brains!
What I've suggested in the past is that Quixtar's motivational business be opened up to competition. Let a competitive marketplace decide the value of the tools businesses. Allow innovators to be disruptive and provide choice. Is that so wrong?
I'm glad people in Australia are reading the Quixtar BLOG. Maybe I should do an International Reader Mail once a month.
May 22, 2006
Monday Reader Mail: 77
Posted by QBlog
Today's Reader Mail makes me wonder if Quixtar is a business opportunity or a marriage counselor or maybe even a dessert topping?
name: anonymous
date: April 15, 2006
message: i think the buisness is a wonderful thing and the friends you meet will impact you for the rest of your life.
i think all the people who are complaining about the buisness are the ones who ran and hid with their tails between their legs at the first hint of a storm!
don't bring everyone else down because you weren't strong enough to deal with all the positive and good things that are said about everyone if you would just stop and listen.
i know it has helped my marriage and my self confidence. you negative bloggers need to back off and not rain on the parades of ibos that still belive in a dream! GO DIAMOND!
I think Quixtar is both a business opportunity and a marriage counselor!
May 15, 2006
Monday Reader Mail: 76
Posted by QBlog
This installment of Reader Mail deals with one of those hot-button issues, homosexuality. The author writes in wanting more information about how Quixtar relates to his particular lifestyle. As always, my comments appear in bold.
name: DM
date: March 20, 2006
message: HI Qblog,
I am a new IBO, recently joined in February and am very excited about the quixtar opportunity.
I am under Doug Weir between us are four upline/downline. I believe in the business and am part of one of the fastest-growing IBO teams anyone has seen (at least they are saying so). I am a 22 year old college student at a prestigious university and the business model made sense to me because of courses I had taken in Economic Geography, and as an Economic Development major, it all made complete sense to me.
That's great!
I also liked how many of my team members are Christians (not all) and that was something we have in common. However, something that concerns me is that I feel slightly uncomfortable about the relationship between this business team and my sexual orientation.
I just read a thread about gays/lesbians in quixtar and something about a Yager individual on your blogsite. I have been to one Weir team meeting & Nightowl meeting and although I did not hear any specific condemnations of homosexuality at the meetings, there were a few moments when I felt quite tense as it seemed that the speakers wanted to speak out against homosexuals but couldn't seem to muster up the courage to outright say anything specific.
However, there were several instances of innuendo concerning a negative feeling towards homosexuality. One speaker used the words "disgusting" and "sick" when beating around the bush about something he couldnt seem to say outloud. He also continuously repeated the phrase, "you can live any way you want to, thats youre choice... but". It seemed cowardish to me.
My limited experience with Quixtar was with people who believe homosexuality is a sin though I have encountered a few individuals online that are very friendly to the gay lifestyle.
Aside from those uncomfortable moments, I did meet one gentlemen who seemed to be flirting with me and who set off my "gaydar". So I felt encouraged that there was at least one other person there that shared my position.
I'm not sure setting off one's "gaydar" is the same as sharing a position. Gaydar isn't 100% accurate.
I also did a search for quixtar on myspace.com which has a very high ratio of glbt members. I found a few quixtar groups, but none of them had openly gay members in the groups. I just cant help but feel concerned about the erie feelings I have experienced with the BWW team.
It seems to me that the mistake that the recruiters are making is that they seem to be assuming that by recruiting Christian IBO's that they are creating a heterosexual empire, when in fact, many many homosexuals are Christian.
Really? I did not know this.
Personally, I have not discussed my sexual orientation with anyone in Quixtar simply because no one has asked. I am not ashamed of my sexual orientation and I have no problem discussing it with confidence and authority. I am the type of person who chooses not to acknowledge morons and stupid people who say stupid and moronic things. When people talk about homosexuality as if they know something about it when they do not, I simply do not acknowledge them. I suppose that by not engaging in a conversation with them about it when they bring it up that they then assume that I am heterosexual or that I am ashamed of my orientation.
Although I have no intention of allowing a controversy over my sexual orientation hinder me of growing my business and eventually going diamond, I still feel concerned and feel that it is appropriate for me to act with some caution when concerning this matter.
As far as my personal goals are concerned, I hope to find my soulmate/partner in this business and to go all the way to executive crown and perhaps get married if the laws of my country allow me to do so someday. I also believe in the sanctity of marriage. I believe that when you make a commitment, that commitment is for life.
Can't argue with that.
Thankyou for your time. Any updates on this topic will be greatly appreciated.
Unfortunately I don't have any updates. From my observations this isn't a topic that gets much attention in the Quixtar groups. It probably should but it doesn't.
Do any site visitors have feedback about your experience with homosexuality in Quixtar?
May 8, 2006
Monday Reader Mail: 76
Posted by QBlog
This Reader Mail was certainly inspired by last week's post analyzing Quixtar prices. As you know, I'm not all that concerned with the price of the Quixtar products but obviously it's an issue with others like Brian.
name: Brian
date: May 4, 2006
message: Funny you write about the pricing system. Being as my wife (soon to be ex) is big into Quixtar, and I am very much NOT into Quixtar, I've done a lot of compariosns, like you said though, it's a different area, so prices are somewhat different.
We spent $54 on laundry detergent, and Dish Soap...that was it $54 for both those items, which would have runus maybe $20 for the same supply at a grocery store. When she was in charge of the budget, and directing a lot of cash into Quixtar for the house, we came up short EVERY month. We bounced checks, etc, etc.
When I took over the last 3 months we've had between $500-900 left free at the end of the month, and I'm no financial wizard.
90% of th products are horridly overpriced, and when you add in taxes, and shipping it gets ridiculous.
It comes down to payihng $1.50 for a 24 oz XS energy drink, or .79 for a 32 oz Powerade.
One thing I've also noticed about the people in Quixtar is that they always tried to tell prospective IBO's they did comparison shopping...and they did but they ALWAYS went to the highest priced stores possible, so the prices looked closer.
Anyway, keep up the great work.
The biggest indicator of whether or not Quixtar prices are competitive is how well they sell to non-IBOs on the open market. If the only people who see value in a case of XS are the IBOs who claim that self-consumption as revenue then it's possibly a poorly priced product. However, if non-IBOs are clamoring for the drinks then it's a good indication that the price is competitive.
April 17, 2006
Monday Reader Mail: 75
Posted by QBlog
This Reader Mail tackles questions of privacy, ethics and the law. If true, this looks to be a clear violation of HIPAA though I'm no lawyer so I could be wrong about that.
name: Jade
date: February 27, 2006
message: I have a question about the soliciting of people in this quixtar business. The person whom contacted my now former husband and I got my contact info from my medical file. He is a doctor in our area. Can he really do this??
My ex is now "one of them in a big way" I joined and buy a little here and there. I refuse to buy cd mags and go conferencing. Just a question I would like your opinion on.
Thanks alot and have a great day.
J
So, what's your opinion? What would you tell Jade?
April 3, 2006
Monday Reader Mail: 74
Posted by QBlog
This, my friends, is why I do this blog. There's something in it for everyone.
name: creylish
date: March 6, 2006
message: I wanted to tell you I appreciate that you have taken your time to maintain and work this site. I was angry at first, I will admit this, because someone I was interviewing for my team verbally attacked me because of the information he gathered from this site.
But, I have recently had a person tell me that BECAUSE of the comments I was ABLE to post got on board.
Freedom of speech is great, and I hope that we can take the information the critics give us and create a better Quixtar business!
My reply to creylish, "Great. Now you understand!" Do you understand?
February 6, 2006
Monday Reader Mail: 73
Posted by QBlog
I decided to edit this week's Reader Mail because it quotes one of my own blog posts. Two paragraphs from the Quixtar Backbone Project have been shortened. Maybe it's not really editing if I remove my own words.
name: Jolene
date: January 28, 2006
message: Hi
A fairly new IBO from NS, Canada.
what you say here: "...I know, and have always known, that Quixtar is filled with wonderfully decent people working hard to make a better life for themselves and their families..."
I think that is amazing. That is us.
We've been in the business for about a year now but we haven't done much i must say. But we're learning. We've been busy and just ahven't had time - well- we thought we didn't - but after reading blog after blog and site after site talking about the system and the tools and the seminars etc etc...and how people make so much money OFF OF US - well - we remembered how in the beginning we decided that we didn't really want to go to seminars - sure we'd go to some - when we could - and we bought some tapes WE thought were good - off of ebay - and we truly believe in the business - and the better life - and THAT is what we think quixtar is about.
thanks for listening
Isn't that the essence of what Rich and Jay built years ago? Ordinary people building a business instead of participating in some sort of motivational movement.
January 30, 2006
Monday Reader Mail: 72
Posted by QBlog
Not much else I can say to this Reader Mail besides "you're welcome."
name: Sarah
date: January 28, 2006
message: I'm sure you get tons of messages like the one about to send, but I have to. My husband and I were recently showed "the plan". I listened to the cds, and I was ready...woohoo...I am going to be rich.
Then I started thinking about all the questions we had...that were being avoided...every single one of them shows up your blog. You're insights are exactly what we are worried about.
Thank you so much for starting this and keeping it running. We have a second meeting tonight with our "sponsors" or "upline" tonight...and I can't wait to present these concerns to them. I will write more about what I find out.
I know that you are not trying to persuade anyone in either direction, you are just posting your opinions, and the truth, which is a whole lot more than I am getting from these people we just met a month ago who would like to be "our lifelong friends" in this wonderful "business". I cannot thank you enough.
Sarah
January 23, 2006
Monday Reader Mail: 71
Posted by QBlog
I'm no expert on marriage but I'm betting Quixtar is not the best place to go for keeping a marriage alive. After all, it's just a business right?
As always, my comments appear in bold
name: sam p.
date: January 17, 2006
message: You are a man of no integrity.
Because I don't share Sam's affinity for an MLM I have no integrity? That's odd.
This business is the only thing that has kept my marriage alive.
I'm sorry but that's just sad.
I could care less about the money.
Good for Sam. If only Quixtar were filled with people who felt the same way!
You are not a nice man with no conscience.
Grammarians to the rescue!
I will pray for your Heart!! Im sure you will find him some day.
Sam
I'm hoping "him" is God and not some Quixtar-crazed IBO with a grudge.
That's all the Reader Mail this week! Thanks for reading and keep sending in your emails.
January 16, 2006
Monday Reader Mail: 70
Posted by QBlog
This week's Reader Mail is from Julio R. and is a response to Reader Mail 66 from Luis H. The mail from Luis explains that his girlfriend is in Quixtar and he would like to convince her to be more skeptical of the business. Here's Julio's response:
name: Julio R.
date: December 19, 2005
message: Reference Luis and his girlfriend. I was an IBO with Quixtar for 2 years, and after returning from Hawaii this summer from a Lifestyle conference I said "this is it no more of this for me".My losess for the last two years amount to almost $20,000.00, must of it in functions, books and tapes(cd's) that did not teach me anything about how to market products, but pretty much on how to manipulate others into getting in a "business" that did not deliver what it preached. This expense, my friend Luis was not including buying those products from "my mart".
The largest check I received fro Quixtar was $699.00 after spending a large sum of money in order to qualify or a pin (what an idiot I am). The last check was for $4.20. I'm a Hispanic just like you so if you want to contact me , please feel free: (email address removed). You're doing the right thing by staying away from it.
By the way I was at 1500 pv an had a downline of 25 people. Gradualy they started to fade away because THEY WERE NOT MAKING ANY MONEY, specialy with this "pipeline concept" IT DOES NOT WORK! Again if you would like to contact me, feel free.
Good luck
Julio R.
I removed Julio's email address but if Luis or anyone else would like it, send me an email and I'll forward it to you.
January 9, 2006
Monday Reader Mail: 69
Posted by QBlog
Juice Plus has hit my radar again.
date: January 5, 2005
name: Katie
message: Is Juice Plus and some water filter part of this whole corporation????
By "whole corporation" I assume Katie means Quixtar. No, Juice Plus is not part of Quixtar. Quixtar does sell an excellent water filter but I don't know if Juice Plus does.
I was first introduced to Juice Plus through some of my wife's friends at church. I know almost nothing about it though it seems to be affiliated with something called NSA.
Sites like MLM Watch take a "critical look" at the business. That's about all I know.
January 2, 2006
Monday Reader Mail: 68
Posted by QBlog
A request for assistance.
name: kevin
date: December 29, 2005
message: Have you heard anything about groups filling the Georgia Dome with 100 diamonds. I was in Jerry Boggus's group a couple years ago and he told us all the God told him (Jerry) that He (God) was going to build 100 diamonds in Jerry's group and they would fill the Georgia Dome in September 2007.
Shortly after that announcement I went to a meeting held by Ron Hale and Ron was saying the same thing to his group. I quit the business shortly after that after wasting three years and $10,000 +.
Have you heard of this Georgia "Dome Diamond" prophesy thing.
Thanks.
kevin
Nope. I haven't heard of this at all. Maybe one of the QBlog readers can shed some light on this? Please leave a comment if you can help Kevin out. Thanks.
December 26, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 67
Posted by QBlog
This week's Reader Mail will hopefully clear up some confusion about Quixtar in Canada.
name: Jared F.
date: December 23, 2005
message: I agree with you on your views toward Quixtar. A few things: Amway is still Amway in Canada, but Quixtar in America with Alticor as the owner; the real problem with "the business" is the company that makes the tapes, etc like WWDB, WWG, etc.; I, somehow, live an impossible life because I love my j-o-b.
I believe that loving one's job is un-American but maybe Jared is Canadian. Regarding Amway in Canada, I think it is called Quixtar up north. That may explain the Quixtar Canada website.
But of course, I could be wrong. Anyone from Canada willing to shed some light on this for Jared?
December 19, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 66
Posted by QBlog
I have an idea. Why doesn't Quixtar make a "General Help" page where people can easily send questions and get real, honest responses (in a timely fashion)? Beth Dornan, Robin Luymes, are you listening?
As always, my comments appear in bold.
name: Luis H.
date: December 16, 2005
message: Pls. help! (just found your site)
My girlfriend has been attending Quixtar meeting for 4 months already and she wants me to join the "business" but I found your site and told her about it, she doesn't believe on anything else than the business.
She argues the products are good and money is coming back from purchasing them.
Help! questions: Why do people loose money?
People generally lose money because they spend more than they earn. I'm not trying to be a wise guy, it's simply true. Also, according to personal testimony, internal corporate documents and court records those at the top (Diamonds) receive most of their Quixtar-related income (70%-90%) from selling motivational and training material (tools) to those not making money.
Is there any help group in Los Angeles that can help to open her eyes?
No idea. Sorry. Anyone have any suggestions?
Any support for hispanics?
Again, I appeal to readers for suggestions.
hope you can help
I'm not much help here but maybe some readers can help out.
Seriously, if you out there have any idea of how to help Luis please send me an email or leave a comment. Thanks.
December 12, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 65
Posted by QBlog
Better late than never. This installment of Reader Mail is similar to many emails I receive, simply wondering what I really think about Quixtar.
name: Christy H.
date: December 9, 2005
message: Just curious about how you feel about the business - really. Or I guess I am curious about your wifes experience.
My Husband and I joined for a short time - spent alot of money on tapes/books/products and discovered that this business eats alot of TIME and MONEY at the beginning and that it would truly take a lot of both to build to the point that you are making anything.
And we also quickly realized that you would spend the rest of your life as a cheer leader to keep your "team" producing to maintain your income. The start up fee was painless but they get you in the cost of educating about the business. I guess it's great for some people but not if you have or want a life outside of Quixtar - like a family. Well, for what is worth that's my opinion, but I am curious about your experience.
Thanks
My wife has mixed emotions about her involvement with Quixtar. She truly believes that many of the Quixtar products are superb and of the highest quality. She would use them today if they weren't so expensive. However, she will also tell you that she probably won't get involved with the business again (even if I didn't run this blog) because she thinks there are better ways to spend her "free time."
I believe that Quixtar, like all male-dominated MLM businesses, is fundamentally flawed. There are no exceptions.
That doesn't mean that people building a Quixtar business are fundamentally flawed. In fact, many Quixtar IBOs are honest, respectable, hard-working Americans (and Canadians) trying to earn extra money for retirement, their children's college, a dream vacation or peace of mind. I genuinely admire those IBOs.
However, I also understand that there are some serious problems within Quixtar and many of the Lines of Affiliation. Some uplines use cult-like tactics to manipulate their downline. That is part of the dark underbelly of Quixtar.
But I don't want to jump on my soapbox right now and discuss the strengths and weaknesses of the business. I think I've already explained my opinions on this blog over the past three years. The advice I always give people curious about Quixtar is to thoroughly research, ask lots of questions and treat it like a business instead of a hobby. I gave my sister that exact advice when Danny Snipes' son tried to recruit her into the business.
December 5, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 64
Posted by QBlog
I love thought-provoking emails and today's Reader Mail doesn't disappoint.
name: Mat
date: December 2, 2005
message: If you truely support the first amendment show others this site
Obviously I support the First Amendment. My love of Free Speech is one of reasons I publish this blog. However, I also understand that one of the realities of Free Speech is the need to embrace all types of rhetoric — including acrimonious and offensive comments.
Attack Blogs
The Forbes article, "Attack of the Blogs," that Mat referenced examines some of the more unsavory characters in the Blogosphere. Reporter Daniel Lyons details the case of Gregory Halpern, CEO of Circle Group Holdings, and describes how his business suffered after being attacked by a masquerading blogger.
Then the bloggers attacked. A supposed crusading journalist launched an online campaign long on invective and wobbly on facts, posting articles on his Web log (blog) calling Halpern "deceitful," "unethical," "incredibly stupid" and "a pathological liar" who had misled investors. The author claimed to be Nick Tracy, a London writer who started his one-man "watchdog" Web site, our-street.com, to expose corporate fraud.
It turns out that Nick Tracy was really an Oregon man named Timothy Miles who is facing SEC charges. Halpern and his business appears to be the victim of an old-fashioned smear campaign of the worst kind.
Lyons goes on to explain how many bloggers routinely victimize corporations like CBS, Microsoft and IBM. He also points out that sites like Google (with their Blogger.com service) allow people to post blogs with virtually total anonymity, encouraging vitriolic content.
Google and other services operate with government-sanctioned impunity, protected from any liability for anything posted on the blogs they host. Thus they serve up vitriolic "content" without bearing any legal responsibility for ensuring it is fair or accurate; at times they even sell ads alongside the diatribes.
Are All Blogs Vitriolic?
But is the picture really as bleak as Lyons paints? He admits that "attack blogs are but a sliver of the rapidly expanding blogosphere" and he's absolutely right. Bloggers do a lot of good, investigative work (remember Dan Rather?) and blogs provide a valuable publication tool to those living in oppressive regimes (Iranian bloggers).
And consider "attack blogs" that share the truth. They're not all partisan muckrakers out to destroy (Wal-Mart Watch blog) but many are simply consumer advocates supporting change in business, government or industry. And there's this to consider, blogs that libel or lie aren't protected by the First Amendment. It may be difficult to track down the author of an anonymous blog but even Gregory Halpern tracked down Timothy Miles.
Don't Break The Law
Bloggers need to follow the law while exercising their First Amendment rights. The EFF provides some guidelines for bloggers who may not understand defamation. Blogging is quite possibly the most powerful publication method in history so don't abuse that power, especially when covering controversial topics.
Obviously there will always be a few bad apples but you don't have to be one of them. Be responsible. Be accountable. Don't break the law.
November 28, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 63
Posted by QBlog
I believe most IBOs are rational, honest people who just want to make some extra money with Quixtar. Scott A. seems like one of those hard-working IBOs. My comments appear in bold.
name: Scott A.
date: November 22, 2005
message: I've just stumbled across your site and I must say that you've filled a very much needed gap in the quixtar debate. I've been an IBO for a little over a year now and can definitely appreciate the need for unbiased information on the web. Although I've seen some drastic improvements of late there is still a lot of ground to make up.
What type of improvements I wonder?
When I first saw the quixtar opportunity I spent about 7 weeks investigating the business before I decided to sign up. I've run a conventional business for years and wanted some straight shooting on the facts. I found it incredible how blatantly ignorant some of the nay-sayers were but I couldn't understand the hype of the pro-quixtar side.
I had a similar experience.
Eventually I signed up because of my now-sponsor, someone who you'd describe as part of the quixtar backbone. I haven't made any significant amounts of money and have only a small downline but the support of some good people like him has made a huge difference in my life over the last year.
I would guess that the majority of IBOs join because they like and respect their sponsor first and like the business opportunity second, or third. That's how Quixtar and Amway build their business — with relationships.
Having someone that I know is genuinely interested in my success and that I can call any time of day for advice is worth so much more than I could ever express. I had no idea that this was part of the business when I registered but don't know where I would be without it. There were days when knowing that I got to be around those people was the only thing that kept me going. The best part is that because they were there to support me when I wasn't doing anything I know that my efforts now will pay them dividends in the future and they fully deserve every penny they will ever get. I can proudly say that because of my association with them I have turned around my personal and professional lives and have a growing downline, which makes me even more excited because they stuck with me too.
Well, good for you.
Is the business for everyone: absolutely not. Is everyone in the business good: no, there are some bad apples. I can say though that this is the best group of people I've ever had the pleasure of being around and am very grateful that my sponsor had the courage to ask me if I was looking. If you'd like some people for your backbone project I'd love to help. I hope that it will help someone make the right decision, be it to register or to go on their own path, at least they'll know they did their due dilligence. Thanks again.
I sent Scott A. an email inviting him to participate in the Quixtar Backbone Project. I hope he accepts.
November 21, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 62
Posted by QBlog
Monday Reader Mail is back — and just a little tardy.
When I received today's featured email I thought it was a prank, some disgruntled anti-Passport guy trying to spread rumors about Bo Short. Turns out, the rumors are true, at least in part. I'm still trying to sort out all the details.
Anyway, here's this week's Reader Mail with my comments in bold.
name: Joe
date: November 19, 2005
message: Passport Online is dead! The man that bashed the MLM industry, the man that bashed Amway and Quixtar...
I really don't think Bo Short ever bashed the MLM Industry as a whole, though he has been publicly critical of some its practices.
...is going back into the so called MLM world that he left is shutting down Passport and trying to bring Passport Associates into his new personal Oasis Life Sciences downline. He states that he doesn't care about the money or titles but here he goes again.
This is an interesting point. Bo Short and Passport Associates emphasized the fact that there were no titles in the business. The lack of titles contrasted with the Emeralds and Diamonds of Short's previous MLM experience with Amway and Quixtar.
He is now trying to push a $1200 sign-up for the Oasis business opportunity.
Bo Short and Passport, What a joke!
I don't know about the $1,200 claim but some Passport Associates have complained that their uplines are "pushing" the most expensive Oasis Starter Kit.
The Story?
So, what's the story? I honestly haven't had time to research this very thoroughly so I'll provide a few links for you to try to sort all this out for yourself.
- Audio of Bo Short explaining the Oasis switch
- Letter from Bo Short to Passport Associates
- An inactive Passport Associate's report on the company's changes and his personal perceptions
- Distributor Force to Merge Into Oasis LifeSciences
- Passport and Team Oasis
- Oasis LifeSciences
- Team Oasis
- Open Forum discussion about Oasis and Passport
I should also mention that a number of former Quixtar and Amway Diamonds have joined Oasis LifeSciences. Joe Land left Quixtar last year to run his Oasis business. Marshall Douglas and John Terhune are part of Bo Short's new Oasis leadership team and also former Quixtar Diamonds from the Team in Focus.
If you have any additional information about this development please let me know.
October 31, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 61
Posted by QBlog
Well, things seem to be getting back to normal on the site so I'll go ahead and post a Reader Mail. This entry is very interesting and complex. The Reader, Robert, asks questions about the United ABLE Association and... well, just read the email and my comments that follow.
name: Robert
date: October 27, 2005
message: I came across your webpage while doing a little research on Quixtar based on a recent encounter with an unusual way of pushing the Quixtar "business". I work for a non-profit organization that works with people with disabilities. I was asked to attend a meeting for the "United ABLE Association", an organization that claims that it can provide resources and support for families with a disabled family member. They also have plans to build community centers that will be residential villages for families with disabilities.
From the moment the meeting started, I was suspicious. There was another person there that I knew, and she had the same feeling. There were a lot of vague promises, and talk of how to be become a "qualified" participant in their program. The process would begin by providing the names of friends and family members that might want to "participate", whatever that means.
In conversation after the meeting with the woman running the presentation, she admitted that it was tied in with Quixtar (these would be the "philanthropists" backing the scheme... I mean, the program). I never got more than vague answers on how the system worked, but was only told to come to the next meeting.
Their webpage also links to something called the "Smarter Shopper Network". While Quixtar isn't mentioned anywhere on this site, they do offer the "Gift" books I've seen mentioned in connection with Quixtar.
It seems like simply a recruiting tool to get people with disabilities into the system. While it may provide a "business opportunity" for them, I am amazed at how they go out of their way to never mention Quixtar in any of their on-line information.
Their webpage is full of promises for these "Eagle's Nest" villages, but they have yet to break ground on one.
I was wondering if you had come across anyone involved in this organization.
Thanks for the work you are doing!
You're welcome Robert and I hope I can help shed some light on this organization. I haven't found much but maybe it's enough to prompt others to share more.
Who's Behind It?
- The site werable.org is registered to Brian Bennett
- The site smartershoppernetwork.com is registered to Jonathan Bennett
- The site giftalbumchoices.com is registered to Lori Bennett
- Lori Bennett is listed as the primary contact on the United ABLE Association application page
- John Sestina, a prominent IBO, is quoted on the "How We Help page
What Is It?
It's difficult to determine what this site is all about. There's a definite connection to Quixtar with the use of the Gift & Incentive program but the details of that connection aren't clear. The about page explains a bit more:
The Bennett's gathered a group of philanthropists who have committed their wealth, expertise, and resources. Together, they created this organization and its unique sustainability program, with the result being an innovative concept that enables independence - for life!
As a sustainable organization, there is no need to hold fundraising events, beg the community for money, or get government funding. This unique funding program provides a perpetual, residual funding stream for the organization while directly benefiting children and adults with disabilities, and their families.
The Disclaimer & Approval
The Bennetts obviously understood that some would be dubious about their organization and so they offer the following statement on the Help Now page:
This is not a get-rich-quick, or a pyramid scheme. In fact, it's a business plan that has been approved by the government and is accessible to virtually anyone interested in operating an independent business. Thousands of individuals faced with a disability are already successfully using this business plan to improve their lives.
Sounds a lot like the sort of line one would hear from a Quixtar IBO. What's frustrating is that after searching around the Bennett's sites, I still don't have a clear grasp of what exactly their organization does. Maybe I'm missing the obvious but all I can conclude is that they're IBOs trying to help the disabled.
However, there's something very distressing about the ambiguity of the site. It's almost (dare I say it?) like they're trying to use the disability issue to build their Quixtar business. I'm not saying that's what's going on here but it's all very confusing when it should be crystal clear.
Call For Help
I'm asking you, dear readers, to shed some light on the United A.B.L.E. Association. See what I've missed and guide me in the right direction. Look around the sites, see what you can find. I want to be fair here and that's why I'm not drawing any conclusions, just asking questions and stating what a casual observer might conclude (just like Robert).
If you've had experience with this organization, maybe you could provide more detail. Thanks for your help.
UPDATE (Nov. 3, 2005): It's worth pointing out that the United A.B.L.E. Association websites (werable.org, smartershoppernetwork.com & giftalbumchoices.com) have undergone significant changes since Monday's post about the organization.
Some of the changes I've noticed:
- giftalbumchoices.com is now gone, replaced with an email link (anyone have a screenshot?)
- Smarter Shopper Network is now password protected
- The About Us page has been edited to remove the following:
As a sustainable organization, there is no need to hold fundraising events, beg the community for money, or get government funding. This unique funding program provides a perpetual, residual funding stream for the organization while directly benefiting children and adults with disabilities, and their families.
- The John Sestina (an IBO) quote is gone from the How We Help page
- The following disclaimer is now missing from the Help Now page:
This is not a get-rich-quick, or a pyramid scheme. In fact, it's a business plan that has been approved by the government and is accessible to virtually anyone interested in operating an independent business. Thousands of individuals faced with a disability are already successfully using this business plan to improve their lives.
Please let me know if you find other changes that I've overlooked.
October 24, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 60
Posted by QBlog
Today's Reader Mail comes from a newly disgruntled IBO. As always, my comments appear in bold.
name: James G
date: October 22, 2005
message: I became an IBO a month ago. I made it clear that I had very limited funds and it was all I could do to scrape together $160.00 to get in. Most everyone there at the meetings, except for the multi-millionaire doing the speech, was half my age. The speech was laced with little sexual comments to relate to the college age students that packed the room. Everything was one big "pep rally". Upon further investigation I found there is very little saving on products as stated, in fact, some are 2 or 3 time the price of similar products purchased elsewhere.
But you're getting PV/BV AC/DC BBQ on every purchase!
Everything was high pressure to get a list of my friends to start calling. When I was told I had to sell using a format which in reality was a combination of deception and baiting my friends, I started to ask questions.
That was your first mistake.
I was told not to think "negative" thoughts. I asked more questions about actual products for sale and prices, but got only a few token partial answers in order to satisfy my questions. I am 48 years old and have delt in sales and advertizing for most of that time and I know a sales pitch when I hear one, and I know deception when I hear it to. I tried to ignore it because the whole upline claimed to be Christians.
Is Quixtar a ministry or a business? I keep forgetting.
I finally had enough and said I wanted a total refund. I now find I have to make special request to two different people to get a refund. I have to pay to ship back items I did not order. The final straw was I had to talk to the multi-millionaire who talked to me like trash and told me, "I don't talk to stupid people (like you)." I listened as he was rude and told me I was a bad example of a Christian because I was poor and had a ill wife and that no one would want to be a Christian if I was the example.
Wasn't Jesus poor? I think he was a Christian.
He tole me he was responsible for saving thousands of people and wanted to know my head count of people I had saved.
I'm no theologian but I kinda thought God saved people, not man.
Quixtar is more of a cult that a business and I am not a lemming to follow along blindly while deceiving my friends in to this lie.
I assure you that your experience, while unfortunate, was unique and isolated to your specific group and is in no way indicative of other Quixtar Motivational Organizations.
Isn't sarcasm wonderful?
October 17, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 59
Posted by QBlog
Today's Reader Mail mentions media coverage of Quixtar. Unfortunately, there isn't much reliable media coverage about Quixtar and the general public is left searching for independent information. As always, my comments in bold.
name: Brian
date: October 10, 2005
message: I was approached by my co-worker's husband regarding the Quixtar "business opportunity" needless to say, I turned it down. He was very polite about it, telling me, "The business isn't for everybody" and then cautioned me against believing everything I read on the internet, because there's no system in place to enforce accuracy.
Such logic always cracks me up. What they really mean is "don't believe anything you read on the Internet unless it's positive towards Quixtar."
Thank goodness! Now I don't have to donate my money to all those nigerian businessmen.
For the real meat of this message, following his cautionary tale of dubious internet information, he told me to check out the Quixtar article that should be appearing in the Oct. 14th USA Today. While it might not be the king of journalistic quality, you might want to take a look at the article, and disseminate some justified feedback to your adoring (and sometimes unadoring) public.
Thanks Brian. I checked USA Today online and didn't find any articles about Quixtar. I know that Quixtar ran an ad in USA Today on October 7 (as part of the DSA advertising insert) but I don't see any articles. Maybe the article was only in the print version? Anyone have a copy of the October 14 USA Today?
October 3, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 58
Posted by QBlog
Who makes money in Quixtar. One inquisitive reader wonders if the motivational salesmen are the only money-makers in the Quixtar MLM.
name: Deb
date: September 28, 2005
message: Quixtar is Amway, or Amway is Quixtar. Isn't it true that only those affiliated with that business that sell their "motivational" tapes are the only ones making money?
Actually, a few people make good money from Quixtar without selling the motivational materials. However, the best way to achieve Extreme Freedom is to tap into the lucrative motivational business.
September 19, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: Hello There
Posted by QBlog
It's time for another installment of Monday Reader Mail. How exciting.
name: Mark
date: September 12, 2005
message: hello there.
That's it! That's the Reader Mail! Disappointed? I was too. And then I started really thinking about what Mark said in his very brief message.
He said "hello." A friendly greeting that one might expect between people meeting for the first time. A bit formal but very appropriate for an email. I thought of Mark typing that greeting and in my mind's eye he's smiling warmly.
And the "hello" is followed by "there," a sort of probing greeting that sounds almost like a question. Maybe Mark would like me to better define "there" for him or maybe he's highlighting the fact that I'm there and he's here?
Of course the real message isn't what Mark said, but what he didn't say. He didn't try to defend Quixtar as other emails did that day. Nor did he stoop to insults or ramble endlessly about his horrible disdain for Quixtar IBOs.
Mark is confident, sure of himself. He knows what he knows and doesn't feel the need to boast about it or try to convince others that he's right. He is also a poet, knowing that sometimes less is more.
That is why I think this Reader Mail should be remembered as one of the very best Reader Mails ever. Mark took the time to visit this site, write his message and email address and click submit — all to say "hello there." I applaud you Mark. You're an inspiration to me and to everyone out there reading this. THANK YOU!
September 12, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 57
Posted by QBlog
This Reader Mail is ripped from today's recent headlines.
name: Dan J
date: September 6, 2005
message: Have you been following the Doris Shaw story in Michigan? She and her husband went Diamond and EDC back in the late 90's. Turns out she was borrowing money and buying product, but defrauded people out of millions.You can find info about the case by searching on the Internet.
Dan J
I have been following the Doris Shaw story.
And now the August 29 headline from WoodTV proclaims that Doris Shaw stole millions, goes to jail for one year.
What Shaw did was con people, many of them elderly, to invest millions of dollars in a phony real estate scheme. In fact, she used their money to buy warehouses full of Amway products in an effort to become a major distributor.
You know, I think I'd do a year in jail for a few million bucks.
September 5, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 56
Posted by QBlog
This Reader Mail is unique because it comes from a blind "reader." As always, my comments are in bold.
name: N. C.
date: September 1, 2005
message: Hi there,
I've been approached by a person who is an IBO in Quixtar. My good friend has been in the business for short period of time. On your about page it says that the owenr of the site wasn't actively involved in the business. How does this justify the need to create this site?
There are many reasons this site was created but initially, it was because of my wife's involvement and I needed a place to express my thoughts, opinions and concerns about the business.
I'm really wondering because I am trying to find work. You see, I am legally blind, I don't know if you know anybody (or possibly yourslef) knows what that means. I saw this oppertunity to get a job (because when you're blind, it's VERY HARD to get a job). Discrimination has not completely exited the earth unfortunately.
I'm not doubting (at least not yet) that the blogs here are true pictures of people's stories... or experiences. As you said in your About page, Quixtar is a legitimate business.
Many of the stories are simply expressions of people's experiences with Quixtar. There are lots of stories that extol the wonders of Quixtar but those don't often find their way onto the average blog.
What if someone was to simply retail items, would that be a better way of approaching the business? I'm confused here, it's a legit business, but yet I keep seeing people who claim it's a cult or something of the sort.
Some people feel that it's a cult. Quixtar claims it's not.
Also, on one blog someone said that if you didn't sign up, they would be sarcastic to you (the people who presented the system) and "make fun" of you, or something of the type. I haven't expierenced this. Could you please help me out here.
I never really experienced this either but apparently it's what some have endured.
I'm honestry trying to make a good decision, and simply claiming things, or "venting" isn't any kind of proof of anything...
Nor is blindly (sorry, no pun intended) trusting everything said by an IBO to promote his business. Ask lots of questions. Do research. Demand answers and proof.
I'm not on either side here, I'm making a decision, so I'm not for this or against this... what can I get help with here?
P.S. Wow, WHO THE HECK sent you their credit card info? That's insane LMAO. What did they want to proove? Or Say? haha,
PEACE
"Take It Easy" (The Eagles)
cheers!
I'm glad N. C. is seeking more information about Quixtar. Maybe you can help?
August 29, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 55
Posted by QBlog
You remember the "Mysterious Meeting" right? And who can forget the "Curiosity Approach?" This week's Reader Mail shares one man's introduction to the phenomenon that made the word "Amway" a punchline.
name: Jason
date: June 22, 2005
message: Dear Qblog, I was approached by a Quixtar "Coach" in Barnes and Noble. I was interested in what he had to say. I met with him the other day. The potential of making alot of money is romantic. But at what cost?
There was alot of flash and bravado in the counseltation. I wanted to know more, he gave me a CD to listen. I listened to it. It seems like a AMWAY pyramid. I read some of your site and I interested to know your viewpoint. What are the pros and cons of this Business. It seems fruitful but i am skeptical.Any INFO would be great.
Thanks,
JAson
My viewpoint is pretty well laid out on this blog. What I tell people is to do research, ask lots of questions and demand to see everything in writing. It's good to be skeptical.
August 22, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 54
Posted by QBlog
Reader Mail is back! This week's entry is straight from the Quixtar playbook complete with references to the BBB, the alleged "thousands of lawyers" and ambiguous income claims! As always, my comments appear in bold.
name: Richelle
date: August 19, 2005
message: Just one man's perception is exactly right.
Yeah, that's right. What other perceptions are there? I suppose there's a "woman's perceptions" and maybe "hive-mind perceptions" if Richelle is part of a collective intelligence like the Borg?
I guarantee that this one man has never taken the time to actually understand how quixtar works. And obviously this one man has nothing better to do with his life than to sit on the computer and get upset about a group of people using a system to do something with their lives and make some money.
Well, if that "group of people" actually made money this site probably wouldn't exist. What's that average income again? Before taxes and expenses and not including healthcare and retirement? $1,380 per year? Wow!
I wish you guys understood that Quixtar is nothing more than a vehicle to do something successful, just like your job is to you. Except I make lots more money than your job makes for you. :)
Notice the veiled income claim? Richelle has no idea how much money I make and doesn't offer personal numbers for comparison but still uses the opportunity to make derogatory assumptions. Anyone care to join Richelle in this game of speculation and guess how much money he/she is making each month from Quixtar?
It's about helping people be successful, and what's wrong with that? If you truly understood what you where talking about, and what this group of people is all about, you would understand that.
I guess you'd rather sit on the computer and criticize other people who have a dream of doing something significant with their lives, than doing something significant yourself.
More assumptions. Actually I stand at the computer. I realize it's odd but I like to stay on my feet.
Have you looked at what the BBB has to say? How about Dunn and Bradstreet? What about Forbes? How about the thousands of lawyer teams that all of our partner stores have had investigate our company before putting their names behind ours? Do you think Officemax or Barnes and Noble, or hundreds of other stores would risk their reputation by supporting us if we where a SCAM? Get the facts before you make a judgement call, and before you try to tell other people how to think.
Sincerely,
RichelleQuixtar IBOs are in deep poopy if they're relying on the lawyers at OfficeMax and Barnes & Noble to ensure the legitimacy of their business.
And for those who like to read, check out what Forbes has to say about Amway and Quixtar:
On a personal note, thanks to all you QBlog readers for sticking around when I wasn't around so much. You're what makes this blog worthwhile... even you Richelle.
August 1, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 53
Posted by QBlog
Better late than never.
name: James
date: July 28, 2005
message: Thanks for this blog! I had a quixtar meeting at my Apt. last night. And thanks to your blog that guy is never coming to my place again.-James
Well, you're welcome... I think.
July 25, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 52
Posted by QBlog
Screw the 70% Rule. It's too complicated to understand. It makes my head hurt. Just don't fill your garage with products and you'll be fine. Right?
name: Jerry
date: July 21, 2005
message: Ok, I've been getting the pitch. When I brought up the 70% rule they chuckled.When I explained the The Mich Att. Gen made it clear this was a very important point to make a MLM legal, I was told that the AG didn't know what he was talking about. That nobody sells, you just buy what you need.
things that make you go hmmmmm.
What the hell do those Attorneys General know about Multilevel Marketing anyway?
July 11, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 51
Posted by QBlog
To prove that not all Reader Mail is filled with obscenity-laced diatribes I offer the following submission from Joy Z. No, not Jay-Z but Joy Z.
name: Joy Z.
date: July 8, 2005
message: I came across your website and I am so happy I did. I feel like I am not the only one who is experiencing the after effects of the Quixtar experience. I too was an IBO and I walked away from it. I only wish I did it sooner.
Still, I can not find the words to explain the experience, its sort of like those good dream bad dream experiences of "What the hell was I doing there?" Anyway, thanks for reading this so far. Have a great day. You're doing a good thing here. I will keep reading your blog. Best wishes!!
Thanks Joy Z. Glad you like the blog. Have a safe and pleasant day.
July 4, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 50
Posted by QBlog
Happy Independence Day America! This week's Reader Mail is from a cartoonist who wants to share his comics with the QBlog readers.
name: Francois T.
date: June 27, 2005
message: Hello ! I've been following your blog for a while, and I saw you have comics going on. I've recently started making my own comics, and I made some about Amway. If you want to check them out, here they are:
- Draw Those Circles
- One Book To Rule Them All
- And In The Darkness Bind Them
- The Madness of Crowds
- Newfound Riches
I thought you might get a kick out of them. I also have a list of my comics at Insolitology.
Enjoy and don't blow off any important digits as you're celebrating the holiday.
June 27, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 49
Posted by QBlog
Sometimes Reader Mail can be almost poetic in its simplicity and profundity.
name: Toya
date: June 25, 2005
message: What Do you do for a living now that you're not in quixtar.
That's great question even if it doesn't end with a question mark. What do I do for a living now? Well, let's see. I have bright red grocery cart full of cans that I push around while asking motorists for spare change. Sometimes I sit in the park and scream at the pigeons because I know their dark, insidious secrets. And occasionally I stop by the local library to freshen up, post to this blog, answer emails and read Highlights for Children.
Indeed, my life has taken a downward turn since my exit from everyone's favorite MLM but this is the life I've chosen and I make due the best I can. Thanks for writing Toya!
June 20, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 48
Posted by QBlog
I haven't inserted my own comments in the last few Reader Mails so I'm making up for it with this one. Enjoy and, as always, my comments appear in bold.
name: Cliff
date: June 17, 2005
message: Mr. whoever you are.
Looks like somebody didn't follow the instructions on the contact page.
This is one man's perception but obviously not a good one. Go to the ftc and you'll find that it found that neither amway nor quixtar is a pyramid scam. There is no substantial investment and I've never been lied to.
My "upline" put everything infront of me in the begin and I was quite ok with everything he said. By definition, a pyramid is a scam where all money flows to the top. So whomever is in earliest get's the most money. I know this to be quite untrue in this business because I make more money then the 2 people who are in my direct line of sponsorship above me.
Actually, the FTC definition differs slightly. It says, "In pyramids, commissions are based on the number of distributors recruited. Most of the product sales are made to these distributors - not to consumers in general."
I see you are a little upset because of you inability to perform such tasks. This is not an attack but one must question why one man would go through all the trouble of getting a web blog page, paying for it, just to say negative things about it.
It's really not much trouble at all and it's much cheaper than golf.
I absolutely love this business, make very good money and it's only getting better and I've only been in a year. I don't care that there are a bunch of people above me making hundreds of thousands of dollars becaus in the end they're helping me pay off $41,000 of debt in school loans that I didn't have the money to pay off working as an certified public engineer.
In reality, there aren't that many people above you making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year from Quixtar. According to Quixtar's own numbers, there are less than three thousand people who could even earn $75,000 per year. As that annual income increases, the potential pool decreases.
I'm sure if you and your wife were strong enough to make any money with the business, you wouldn't have any this. How about you make a blog about enron, usair, southwest or the local elementary school teachers getting laid off. How about the government and the ridiculous war that's going on. May about the colombine shoot years ago, terrorism or any of the other negative stuff that's going on in this country and world wide.
Coincidentally, all the people running blogs about the subjects just mentioned are asked why they don't run a blog about the evils of Quixtar or multilevel marketing?
This is the first business I\'ve seen that actually helps people in more ways than just riches. I've found God, my girlfriend, great friends, mentorship, direction and focus because of this. You tell me at you job that your boss is showing you how to make more money than him or your co workers want to actually see you become their boss? Probably not, your boss wants to always be your boss and you co-workers want to make sure you never pass them and won't ever lift a finger to see you succeed in life out of pure jealousy. I see this at my job everyday but that's to this business I won't see if after 2005. I'm retiring at the age of 25 and will never work a job again.
Good for you.
My children will never see their dad go to work a day in their lives.
I'm not entirely convinced that's a good example to set for children.
I'll be the one raising my children and not some day care. Again, I'll stand by this business forever and I'm proud to be an IBO.
Glad to make your acquaintance Cliff.
I'm always concerned when people speak in absolutes about businesses. "Stand by this business forever" is a long time. Things change. People change. Businesses change. Oh well, I'm sure Cliff knows what he's doing.
June 13, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 47
Posted by QBlog
Today's Reader Mail is a bit of a departure from the norm. It features an email from Don Hargraves, one of the original Amway/Quixtar website operators.
name: Don Hargraves
date: June 12, 2005
message: Just so you know, I've started a blog of my own. At present it's formless, I plan on letting the topics develop on their own.
Anyway, here it is: An Outsider in Saul Alinsky's World
And your blog is in my list of blogs - the first one on that list, in fact.
It's cool that he's blogging. I usually don't link brand new blogs like this because so many just start up and quickly fade away but I have confidence that Don's will continue for quite a while.
Don has been following the Quixtar BLOG since the beginning. It was his encouraging emails in those early days that helped convince me that maintaining my blog was worth the effort.
For those that don't know, before this blog there weren't any blogs about Quixtar. None. Zilch. Nada. Just a bunch of websites similar to Don's Memory Hole and a couple of message boards. So, I was concerned that people seeking Amway/Quixtar information just wouldn't "get" blogging. In fact, for a long time I had a big "blog explanation" on the main page to define blogging for newcomers.
Anyway, Don's blogging and his efforts look promising. If you've ever spent time at his other site you'll see that he's a pretty fascinating guy. So go check out An Outsider in Saul Alinsky's World and say howdy to Don.
June 6, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 46
Posted by QBlog
I assume today's Reader Mail is from a Quixtar IBO but I sincerely hope that I'm wrong.
name: rob
date: May 21, 2005
message: What a stinking negative bag of shit you are? Why don't you go and help some people, those who are hungry, needy, downtrodden people. You will get all the curse in the world for trying to tarnish a honest company which gives an opportunity to people to succeed.
You don't mind being loyal to Colgate toothpaste for the rest of your life without even a thank you note from them; you don't mind paying retail and sending Macy's owners to hawaii and pay for some one else's divorce with your consumer money; your mouth is full of dog shit. Go and kill yourself.
Your existence is a waste of space. Do atleast 1/1000000th of what Bill Gates has done to this world God will give you some blessings. If you cann't do good, don't do harm. You LOW SELF IMAGED stinking ass hole. Why don't you shut both--your ass hole and your cakehole. WASTE OF SPACE!!!
Be thousands of curses be showered on YOU!!!
After reading that profane rant all I can do is chuckle and shake my head. And if "rob" is an IBO I'd probably pay money to see him show the plan.
May 30, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 45
Posted by QBlog
This week's Reader Mail brings up an interesting question, and it's not the question being asked by the reader. The question is for Quixtar and its wonderful IBOs — why is the reader asking ME about refunds and not you? I think I know the answer and you can read it after Brian's email.
name: Brian
date: May 14, 2005
message: Thank you for setting up this page. I wish I had looked into this about a week ago, BEFORE, I became an IBO. The whole thing is definately a sham. I'm just curious if there is any way to get some money back. The refund policy seems to be really shady. I dropped about $150 for everything, and I realized I'll probably have to eat it, but anything I can get back would be great. Thank you for any info
Ok, here's what I think is the most likely answer to the question I posed above — Brian feels deceived and doesn't trust that Quixtar or the wonderful IBOs will give him an honest answer. And if I'm right about Brian, then it's a sad, sad commentary about Quixtar.
May 23, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 44
Posted by QBlog
Today's Reader Mail demonstrates that people do not appreciate being deceived.
name: Robert C.
date: May 16, 2005
message: First, I have no idea what "bloggin" is. All I know is a few things. First, I believe in the efficacy of network marketing. Secondly, I've been involved in the "old" Amway - tired of the order pick-up, prepay, and attempting delivery and gettin paid by my customers.
I bought in to Amway because of an incredible presentation which captivated me until I thought (then confirmed) I heard the word Amway.
Now, (May, 2005) I am contacted by a friend about this "new" e-commerce business. Quixtar being the marketing "agency" behind it. The more I listen and learn, the more I suspect as well as communicate to the "mentor" "coach" who chastises me for trying a multitude of network marketing companines, I say to him "this sounds remarkably like Amway." Only today *(May 16) do I discover that this so called new company is in fact the "New" Amway. Disgust and dissappointment.
If there is nothing to hide nor be ashamed of re Amway, why the dammed (sorry) secrecy and deception of calling and naming it what and as it is?
I just want to get straight answers to legitmate questions before I give it all up to pursue my own dreams (sound familiar?).
I just want a legitimate e-commerce business that I can be proud of and not be ashamed of mentioning its real name.
Any help and or advise would be most appreciated.
Sinderely,
Robert C.
Unfortunately, I have no advice except to say that Robert should fully educate himself in all aspects of e-commerce and multilevel marketing. I imagine the MLM crowd will advise that Robert join their MLM because it's different, unique and immune to the problems and deception that Robert seems to detest. With that said, what advice would you give to Robert?
May 16, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 43
Posted by QBlog
This week's Reader Mail selection speaks for itself.
name: Ryan H.
date: May 6, 2005
message: What a joke this whole web site is.
If you didn't make in Amway or Quixtar and want to play Blame Someone Else, this is the place. Wah Wah Wah!!! Someone made money off tapes, books & funtions. They should of charged you weenies $1000.00 for your registration then maybe you could a appreciate the system & take your bus. serious.
Maybe you should of signed up for Excel. Then tranferred your group to Shaklee.
Get real you cry babies, look in the mirror and take some responsibility for your lot. Quite blaming others you IDIOTS. Business' fail every day in this world. Suck it up!
Wah! Hey guess what, Alticor grew again last year. Hah. Still legal, still selling awesome products & still a profitable business if you work at it. Networking or Retail. What ever way you choose.
I'm Out
Sounds like Ryan's a true leader. If only he knew how to spell.
May 9, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 42
Posted by QBlog
I generally don't edit Monday Reader Mail but the length of today's installment demanded that I make some minor corrections and style edits to preserve the intended flow of the email. My comments appear at the end.
name: Scott N.
date: Mayu 6, 2005
message: I feel compelled to share the experience that I had last night with Quixtar. Let me begin by saying that to this point I have not made a decision about the relative advantages/disadvantages about this company. I was however a little disappointed by their approach to me. I spent many hours in Communication Studies courses while completing my college degree and these classes helped me to see what these people were trying to do to me. I would like to share this information with others so that they may be aware of what the initial meeting will be like or so that in retrospect they may have an understanding of manipulative tools that were used on them.
To begin, when I was approached the offer was made for the "member" to pick me up, this was done so that the "guest" will sacrifice their freedom to leave if the meeting becomes uncomfortable or they decide it is not for them (thankfully I passed on the ride). Once arriving at the meeting location we were quickly ushered through a twisting path of hallways at the facility (in this case a hotel and convention center not associated with Quixtar). The trip though was longer than it needed to be and I feel that this was also done to confuse the "guests."
Once we (the guests) arrived in the meeting we discover that everyone there was dressed in suits and ties (or comparable formality for the ladies) while all the guests were dressed casual to say the least (blue jeans and T-shirts in most cases). This is used to make the guests feel out of place by being underdressed. At the time that we walked into the meeting we were separated from the members that we knew and were placed in the front row of the meeting. This was done to again make the guests feel out of place and to stop them from leaving in the event that this meeting was not for them.
Next we were introduced to our speaker, John Doe (have no idea what his name was), who was of course the owner of a multi-million dollar business. He began by finding things in common with each of the guests, this is done to make him be perceived by each guest as much like the individual guest, making his message be received better. This process was used mainly in the beginning of the lecture but was also applied through the entire talk.
Once the speaker began, he promised to take 45 minutes of our time (which was in fact 2 hours) to tell us about his glorious experiences as a business owner (by the way the name of the company, Quixtar, did not come up until the last 5 minutes). Throughout the lecture he informed us of the glory of his company and how poorly we were all doing because we had regular jobs and not one of these companies. The main focus of the lecture (approximately 1.5 hrs of it) was focused on how bad we were all doing and how great he was doing.
Some of the manipulation devices he used during his lecture were as follows.
Get them saying yes, he would get on long lists of questions to which the answer was yes (from his point of view) and would be supported by the members saying yes behind us as every answer and then end with something like "Wouldn't you want to own one of these companies?" This was done to convince the guests to follow the group.
Also he would keep falling back to how much money he has while feigning humility, this was an attempt to establish himself as an expert while also keeping likeability.
He dropped names of very large companies who were involved with this and informed us that "We don't need to research the company because those companies all did their research and they have more resources than we do." This was again an attempt to keep people from making an informed decision on their own and an attempt to site credible experts. He also said this in a demeaning manor as if patronizing those who would doubt what he says. This was in a parental "because I said so" manner which is another attempt to take control of the encounter.
When he finished his discussion of why we could not possibly want to go against his wishes he began to get the real nuts and bolts of the company and how it works. The only problem is this part of his lecture was filled with loose ends, incorrect math, and contradictions. He began by breaking down the returns that could be expected from this business. However when beginning calculations he did not remove the start up fee (which was cut in half over the course of the lecture). When this was pointed out to him, he was not happy and patronized me directly for caring about a measly 300$ (which at this time was down to 120$). He then went on to display the amount of one time bonuses plus expected returns, which were then all lumped together to develop an expected yearly salary. This number was then used to make projections for coming years incomes (even though it included one time bonuses). In the middle of this he stopped to discuss a points system which was never truly defined or explained. I personally believe this was used to confuse the issue of the math that was being used, sort of a bait and switch approach to the topic.
At the very end he informed us that this was an "elite" organization and he would not let just anyone join. Talking about how he would only accept those people whom he felt it would be safe to have around his family. This was done in an attempt to pull all the other manipulations together. If you have accepted him as similar to you, allowed him to be your friend, and viewed him in a parental manner then it is the next logical step that you would want him to like and trust you.
Once this lecture was completed we got some "success stories" about how great it was to own your own company and how silly we all were to be willing to get up and go to work for someone else. At this point in time they called a "brief intermission" with more to follow. People from the back of the room started advancing on the guests and pinning them in small groups so that the guests would be exposed to additional stories about how great the program is.
Seeing what was happening I exercised my opportunity to leave before I too was collected in the one of these small pep rallies. As I said in the beginning, I personally have not made a decision about this program. I will be conducting my own research on the matter, in fact that is how I came to find this website, but I feel that it is important to be up front and honest with people at all times in all things. I do not feel the meeting was honest and to that end puts these people on an uphill path to convince me.
I felt it was important for those people who were exposed to this sort of meeting without the
benefit of training in the field of communications studies to have a full understanding of what was
done to them and for what reason.
Well, if you got through all that then you'll probably recognize some of the things Scott mentions. Like Ryan, my journalism training helped me to recognize some of the manipulative marketing tactics used while "showing the plan" and probably explains why I was never impressed with Quixtar or its IBOs. Have you recognized similar tactics at Quixtar meetings? Have you recognized such tactics relating to other businesses and if so, which types?
May 2, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: Special Edition
Posted by QBlog
Today's installment of Reader Mail is expanded to accommodate its uncharacteristic length and format. Generally, the Reader Mail series features a single email and my comments. However, this particular installment consists of several email exchanges between the Reader (Bob) and me. Bob's messages will appear in blue. I have not edited any of the emails except to correct some grammar and protect identities. Also, Bob's email display name was Jim S. which explains my confusion about his name.
My reason for doing this Special Edition is that the communication between me and Bob encapsulates my experience with many Quixtar IBOs, including my wife's former upline. In fact, the frustration that resulted from similar communications while my wife was still in "the biz" served (in part) as the impetus for this blog.
Finally, before getting to the emails, I would like to thank Bob for actually responding to my messages. It's unfortunately rare that someone replies to my questions and I was delighted that Bob took the time to engage in a dialogue.
name: Bob
date: April 26, 2005
message: Hi Ed. I was checking out your site and noticed in your About section you claim to be unbiased and try to maintain objectivity with regards to Quixtar. But all of the links listed on the first page are definitely anti-Quixtar. Blogs, news reports, everything... Do you need some links for all of the positive stories out there from reputable sources? I can send you some in the interest of "fair and balanced" reporting if you wish.
Let me know what you think, and have a great day!
Bob
name: QBlog
date: April 28
message: Hi Bob,
I would very much like for you to send me some links to all the positive stories
out there from reputable sources. Send them to me and I'll post them all on
my blog.
Thanks,
Eric J
name: Jim S.
date: April 28
message: That's nice to hear... hopefully some of them make it to the first page:
- quixtarfacts.com
- ibofacts.com
- quixtarresponse.com (response to the Dateline link you have)
- internetretailer.com (Lists some partner stores whose lawyers think it's a good idea to link with Quixtar)
- stores.org (Quixtar #7 online)
- Business 2.0
Quixtar has been a leader in online Health & Beauty for years. In the "Numbers" section of its December 2001 issue, Business 2.0 ranked Quixtar #1 in sales for the online Health & Beauty category, with 20.5% of the estimated $1.45 billion market segment. Based on the analysis of Nielsen/NetRatings and Harris Interactive eCommercePulse, Quixtar was ranked ahead of Drugstore.com (12.2%), Merck-Medco.com (5.7%), Avon.com (4.5%). and MaryKay.com (4.1%).
That should be good for now. Not saying Quixtar or its people are good or bad, but I've done years of research on this company, and most legitimate sources are positive to it. The negatives are former IBOs and media sources, typically.
I'll be interested to see your links page in the future.
Bob
name: QBlog
date: April 28
message: These are your reputable sources? These are your stories? This "should be good for now?"
You sent me three general links to sites run by Quixtar or its IBOs, a link to InternetRetailer’s 6 month old, three paragraph blurb announcing partner stores and a link to Business 2.0’s home page (which makes no mention of Quixtar). This is the best you can do? You’re not impressing me Jim.
So you’ve done "years of research on this company" and this is what you come up with? Ok, here’s the "positive" that I’ve come up with after over two years of researching this business:
- I have a link to a Quixtar employee run blog on all my pages (including my home page)
- I have a link to a blog run by a Quixtar IBO on all my pages (including home page)
- My News page includes links to five blogs sympathetic to Quixtar (2 run by IBOs and 3 run by employees)
- There are the following links to various posts on my blog that have something
positive or neutral to say about Quixtar:
Positive Things About Quixtar
Trying To Figure Out The Truth
Single Day Sales Record
Amway Sales Growing
Sometimes People Make Sense
Why I Don't Hate Quixtar
I Like SA8
Bless Orrin Woodward's Site Redesign
Interview With IBO Systems
Jennie Loves Quixtar
RedStar Is Live
Quixtar BackBone Project
Record Day
All of the "March Of Perceptions" series
Now THAT should get you started. There’s a bit more on my blog if you’re interested. And to be quite honest, my blog is possibly the world’s largest repository of unbiased and totally independent collection of positive or neutral stories and information about Quixtar.
By the way, my name’s Eric not Ed.
- Eric J.
name: Jim S.
date: April 28
message: Wow... those blog links of yours sure are reputable. Um, who are they?
Or is this your way of saying you won't put the links up to offer balance. If you have a negative article from Dateline, perhaps you should put Quixtar's response up as well. Instead, you have a collection of blogs and opinionated editorials.
Count the beans, they don't add up. You can't with a clear conscience think that it's balance.
name: QBlog
date: April 29
message: Jim (or is it Bob?),
You’re obviously missing my point. Your original statement called into question the volume of "positive" content from reputable sources linked from my blog. I have scoured the Internet for such content for over two years and wanted to see what you found that I missed. Your response was not what you promised. They weren’t stories and from reputable sources. If you want to argue about what qualifies as a reputable source, we can do that but generally the content produced by a company about its own business is considered biased.
There are other issues as well:
- I’ve searched the Web for over two years and haven’t found many "positive stories" about Quixtar. What I do find, I post on my blog. I suggest you follow the links I submitted. You’ll see that some of them are posts that link to OTHER sources. And sometimes when I can’t find positive stories from reputable sources, I create my own. My challenge to you remains, please send me links to positive stories about Quixtar from rep