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June 27, 2008
Orrin Woodward wants Amway to confront reality
By Truth in Amway
Today I read an article over at Orrin Woodward's blog titled "Amway/Quixtar North America - Confronting Brutal Reality". In a nutshell Orrin goes through some numbers and other data to come to the conclusion that Amway/Quixtar has actually declined in sales since 1980. This of course is summed up to the leadership at Amway and the conclusion that they are not facing the reality of their broken business model.
At the end of the article Orrin gives Amway some "free advice" and has some comments that I found to be stinging:
"Judging by the sales of Amway North America, I believe that the Amway managers are receiving poor grades on their leadership competence. If Dick Devos believes he has the ability to run the state of Michigan as Governor, then I would recommend that he prove it on his beloved Amway business first. It would make Dick’s message more palatable to the Michigan voters. The Amway managers are welcome in advance for this free advice."
For me personally the icing on the cake for this article was the schooling job he did on one commenter by the name IBOFightback aka "Insider", or as Orrin called him "David Fightback". Insider didn't stick around too long.
UPDATE: Thanks to Imran I noticed that Orrin has blocked links from this site. Interesting to say the least, I have asked him what the deal was.
UPDATE: Orrin has responded below in a comment regarding his blog blocking links from this site. In a nutshell he doesn't know why, and is going to have it taken care of. Thanks Orrin.
Comments
Truth...
The leaders in Quixtar that Orrin refers to are at best con men. Orrin himself is a con man. Business leaders of this type are really business deceivers. The message they teach makes no sense from a real world business standpoint. They win while making losers out of most everyone else (mostly known as IBOs).
The business model that Orrin refers to is a product based pyramid scheme where the distributors themselves are the only real customers for the unremarkable overpriced products.
In my opinion, Amway is just trying to "manage" its North American business to give them time to exploit the emerging world markets. Exploitation of even these non-English speaking countries may be fraught with the never ending problem of countering the negative truths on the internet. Amway must depend on the new suckers being born every day ideology.
Well, when Orrin faces up to the fact that any problems Amway/Quixtar might be having is due to the predatory actions of Kingpins like HIM....*then* maybe I'll listen to what he has to say.
Deb
IBOfightback cut and run? What? Quitters never win right?
Truth, I have no idea why it is blocking, but I will get it fixed. I am learning how these blogs work and will have to call in someone who understands how the blog works. I aplogize for the inconvenience and would love to hear from you on the blog since I am after "truth." thanks, Orrin
Deb is right (again). Any direct selling group was going to have issues the last 20 years, especially with the rise of Wal-Mart, and to a lesser extect, Target. Low prices are the #1 thing people look for consistantly, especially when the economy isn't booming (which over the course of 30 years, is bound to happen a few times). Still, it would have been interesting to see what AmQuix would have looked like if AmQuix leadership was sincere about stopping the Kingpins back in 1983 instead of getting fat alongside them. Maybe AmQuix would have been more healthy today because it wouldn't have this huge, negative association that many people have?
Schooling job on me? You mean the part on that and his earlier posts were I pointed out all the errors in his original posts? And I "didn't stick around"? What type of mushrooms are you eating exactly?
"Schooling job on me? You mean the part on that and his earlier posts were I pointed out all the errors in his original posts? And I "didn't stick around"? What type of mushrooms are you eating exactly?"
LOL! Sometimes you make it too easy David. But the schooling I am referring to is the last comment he had made to you when I wrote this article. But apparently you either didn't read or you are having that selective amnesia that you are so famous for.
The only mushrooms I eat are the ones that come on a supreme pizza, but apparently you are familiar with a different kind
You mean the post I replied to but hadn't yet gone up because the site is moderated? And that means I "ran away"? Woodward hasn't corrected a single thing I've said, and acknowledged many of the needed corrections I pointed out to him.
Well if you mean that comment where you still did not answer his questions and tried to redirect the conversation back to your same old rants, then yes that comment.
Apparently school is still very much in session for you.
I provide this leadership lesson free of charge to help the struggling managers improve their performances.
If you'd like more information and valuable training, I'm sure there's an executive professional edition of tapes and CDs that can be bought with an attractive carrying case for a bargin price of $450.
Now - as for the business model not working...
...isn't this the same guy who left Quixtar/Amway because of uncompetitive products - and not enough of them...for an MLM that uses PV, BV, leaders called Diamonds and has only ONE product at an extreme price?
Seems the model couldn't have been THAT bad.
P.S. - I linked directly to his site right after the original was posted and had no problems. Did it again just now from a different network. Perhaps that really isn't his doing.
Deb...
I agree wholeheartedly. I like your use of "predatory kingpins"; hope you don't mind if I use that terminology in the future? Orrin may have done the MonaVie shuffle, but he's still got the predatory thing going on. Actually, he had the good sense to quit Quixtar (or was he fired?). Anyway, quitters in Amway never win, or do they? I suppose that is the one sure way to win in Quixtar: quit.
I have been reading the "TEAM" escapades here on the Forum and on Rocket's blog.... but today is the first time that I actually visited this clown's blog.
And all I can say is, WOW!
This Orrin Clown makes a Retard like Tex, look SANE!! And - the Amway Corporation THIEVES look like SAINTS! His minions are in a different league altogether - reading through the comments section on his blog posts is like being in the Twilight Zone.
PHEW....
How can people be so dumb?!?!?!
But one thing I found particularly interesting is the Orrin The Clown's hints about "Insider"s identity.... something about "loose-lips" at the IBOAI - could it be? Could there be a connection to N-21 head-honcho Jimmy Dornan? Or maybe the Amway Corpn.'s PR Dept.?
Okay, I know the "dumb people" comment was pretty harsh....
We have seen PLENTY of evidence, of how this CULT sucks in perfectly normal, intelligent people....
But. SCARY as hell.
Truth,
Orrin's blog is a farce. He does not post all the comments submitted. So to think that an actual open dialogue is occuring is a joke.
He's got his "team" blog, and then he has this one that you refer to, which is nothing more than an anti-Amway website.
It's propagana to the nth degree and no weight should be given to it, IMO.
I've been "religiously" reading Orrin's weekly sermon... err... blog entries for their entertainment and shock value. It's entertaining to see how humble (i.e. self-aggrandizing) he is. It's also shocking and very scary to read some of the comments from his obviously subservient TEAM-minions. I sincerely wish their veils are lifted before any permanent damage is done to their livelihood, family, and finances.
Nigel,
If what you say is true, it would be interesting at the least.
However, your accusation begs the question, can you prove what you just said?
If you can I am very interested to see more.
What Nigel says is absolutely true. i have left lots of comments on his blog that haven't been published, and have documented a number of them. I am in the process of writing a post about it. That and me being prospected for Monavie under Orrin's leadership. You should hear the crap that TEAM members say about Orrin when they are talking it up. I also had 4 bottles of Monavie that I took religiously......Nothing.
Orrin Woodward needs to smarten up, and he needs a lesson that Amway learned.
He's nothing but a scammer, in my opinion.
Truth,
Tell me, technically, how to prove that Orrin didn't post my questions.
I don't know how to prove that.
I'm not the only one. I've seen conversations all over the Net, particularly in the early days of the TEAM thing back in August of 2007, of non pro-TEAM people's posts not being posted, or being deleted after the fact.
So, in all seriousness, how can I have proof that I submitted something and that in never got posted?
Maybe videotape me hitting the submit button and then waiting days and days for the thing not to appear?
I guess that's one way, but I really don't know if I can THAT much to go to the trouble.
LOL.
I too have been reading Orrin's blog on and off for awhile now since I was part of the TEAM for a bit.
He is most definitely a master of getting people to follow him using his talents in speaking and writing. I too believed him for awhile, but then realized and discovered his past history with Amway. What amazes me his how he and Chris, for all those years promoted a business they KNEW was failing for so long. They kept "building the dream" in so many people while raking in hugh sums of money.
Nigel,
To answer your question technically screenshots of the comment before you submit always works for me. However, I only ask you that question to see if you will respond.
Many people have come and had this and that to say about certain leaders of Amway, usually those that cannot prove what they accused never return to answer that question.
Also, other like Rocket saying that they too have had their comments unpublished helps your accusation. I think it is interesting that he does not post every comment. I am sure like any blog he has some rules about comments, but unless it is a straight out flame comment with colorful language or trying to pimp another business I don't see why a comment shouldn't be posted.
I am not a member of Orrin's Team but it seems to me that although Orrin is not perfect, he is at least attempting to do the right thing a lot more than other members of the IBOAI Board.
From what I've heard he's lowered the price of his CD's to $4 a CD and now has a monthly system which includes 4 CD's, the Team website, a voicemail and a personal homepage for $25 a month. I wonder if Jody (IBOfightback/Insider) Victor is going to do the same.
I just posted the following comment on Orrin's latest blog entry (A/Q vs. MV Compensation). Let's see if it gets posted:
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Orrin:
I am curious how you were able to go from a new MV distributor to Black Diamond in the span of just a few months after waiting out your six-month lockout period with A/Q. Were you able to move over your entire LOS structure from A/Q over to MV (notwithstanding those in A/Q who decided to stay).
I read a post from hurting/healing inside stating that s/he's starting from scratch in MV. Wasn't s/he able to move his/her LOS over to the new MV business?
Also an FYI is that this Orrin Blog you write about is not really designed for the TEAM members.
Somewhere buried in the minutia of one of the comments on one of the more recent threads, a TEAM person was looking for a certain piece of info and Orrin directed him to the "TEAM Blog"
(if anyone can easily find that entry, I'd greatly appreciate it, so that I can avoid digging for it if I don't have to).
So this one, http://orrinwoodward.blogharbor.com/blog, based on the most recent topics of his posts, appears specifically designed to rant on Amway and Quixtar and to say how superduper MonaVie is.
His blog, pretty much comes down to a smear campaign tool.
What else is new? LOL.
Sadly, or typically, there are enough not-so-bright people who will take his word for things, without fully investigating them for themselves.
And he writes so voluminously (oh the life of freedom) that no one, with a life, could keep up with all his lies.
Oh well...to each his own.
I wonder what his wife is doing during all the time he's typing up his posts and commenting on the comments (he chooses to publish).
Truth,
I use the same process you use.
Vigorous discussion and opposing viewpoints are welcome, but please keep comments *on-topic* and *civil*. Comments containing flames, trolls, or personal attacks are discouraged and may be deleted. If you don't know what this means, please choose not to participate.
Some things I am not a liberty to talk about until after arbitration so I cannot post because I cannot answer yet. I do the best to share all comments on topic and not just trolling or name calling. I do like civil discussions and learning more about truth in any area. thanks, Orrin
GNG wrote:
"What amazes me his how he and Chris, for all those years promoted a business they KNEW was failing for so long. They kept "building the dream" in so many people while raking in hugh sums of money."
Maybe because he knew the Tape/book/function business wasn't failing.
I don't know this for sure, but I'm pretty sure that they moved their tape/book/funtion "business" over to his prune juice in a wine bottle business. Sure know that several years ago the folks at Team in Focus did, and so far everything that OW has done "duplicates" their moves completely.
Orrin,
I can certainly see the need to keep comments on a blog civil and on-topic, and have had my fair share of trolls and other interesting folk who can be very disruptive.
Now, I have not seen the comments that were not published and only have the testimony of those who claim comments did not get published.
Now maybe it's simply a matter of you being more restrictive with your comment policy then I am but I can't help but take notice when I have commenters on this blog who have never been censored (especially a long time one like Rocket) but yet they have been unpublished several times (by their claims) on another blog.
In the end it's your blog and I respect your right to run it how you see fit, and frankly I don't much care who's comments you do or don't publish. But I have always felt as well as the person (Qblog) who started this blog, that very loose restrictions and very open, candid, sometimes passionate conversation has always been the best way to get to the truth.
I can understand you not being able to comment on certain issues, but might I be so bold as to make a small suggestion to publish those comments anyway and simply have a canned answer that you can paste in response that due to legal issues you cannot address that question, or if you have been advised simply to not publish those, have some sort of note about that on the site. Just my 2 cents. I am sure most people would be understanding of the sometimes delicate situation you find yourself in.
I think if you have time to criticize you're not doing much. Anyone who is successful is busy and focused on success not negative attitudes. My suggestion:
Get off the couch and do something regardless of the vehicle.
http://iboaiblog.com/
Orrin can post half-truths, yet when questioned about them he claims he can't post those inquiries for clarification because it will interfere with the arbitration process?
Pull my other leg. It plays Jingle Bells.
Couch Coach,
Well of course he moved his tape/book/function "business" over with Monavie. It was still running during the down time between A/Q and Monavie.
When we were "in", we were spending approx $80 per month for the particular version of the system we chose. This didn't include the monthly seminars either, which was an additional $50 plus travel expenses. After a couple months, it became clear that most things spoken at the seminars were getting repetitious and there was great emphasis on "investing" in tools. At the only major we went to, my wife and I got so bored that we skipped part of the evening talks and went to have a couple drinks at a local bar.
There were several "new" faces in the brochure at that event that I didn't recognize that made me say, "where did these people come from all of the sudden"? That is really when I started my deep research into Orrin & company.
Hi Orrin,
Does "insider" AKA "David Fightback" have any ties to Amway or Network 21?
The readers here are truly curious.
Ask Orrin how he took Fred Harteis's business! He stole it.Fred didn't know what hit him.
From what I've seen, Orin has absolutely no desire to publish anything which casts him in a negative light, or does not border on worshiping him.
I have kept in mind that he doesn't want to publish a critic's comments, and in most cases I have been succinct so as to not give him a reason to sensor me. Didn't matter.
I don't give a rat's ass what Orin does on his blog. Obviously he feels he has something to gain by not allowing conflicting views on his blog, just like when he was in Amway.
Him resisting having contradictory viewpoints on his blog simply solidifies the point I'm trying to make, which is that Woodward fears the truth, and open, honest discussion.
Fake leaders fear exposure, true leaders welcome opposing views.
Anyone reading this can choose what Orin is, and so will some of his Monavie brethren when I point out the obvious during our follow up. My goal is to have them question just what kind of a leader Orin is, and to ask some very difficult questions to the leadership of TEAM.
Orin, I've already had an interview with one of your loyalists about TEAM which is published on my blog. It didn't look good for you or Brady.
Consider this an open challenge to converse with me, and put my suspicions to bed.
Otherwise, you can stop throwing stones at Amway from the driveway of your (motivation funded) glass house.
Amway is no better, by the way, I just find it funny how your loyalties turn on a dime when it comes to money. A year ago you were promoting how Amway could make everyone free to hang out with you and Chris Brady.
If you are truly comfortable with who and what you are, there should be no problem.
I doubt you have the backbone to stand up to any sort of scrutiny, and people like you and Brady fear exposure more than anything in the world.
I await your reply here, since you don't seem to want to acknowledge anything on your blog.
Robert Jones said: I wonder if Jody (IBOfightback/Insider) Victor is going to do the same.
Joe says: What does this mean?
It's confusing when a company's own name for itself keeps changing. Is it Amway, Quixstar or AmQuix? Why do they keep changing their name like that? Identity crisis or something?
When my parents were in it in the 70's it was known as Amway and everybody wanted to learn about it. At least, that's what it seemed like to me at the time. I was only 10 years old.
There were always people around selling stuff. I couldn't understand how people could get so excited about cleaning products. To a 10 year-old, it was BORING! Oh well, still is.
Now here I am 29 years later involved in MLM. No cleaning products! LOL. Can't even stand cleaning my house!
JoeCool,
Let's face is - there's no way IBOfightback/Insider/David Steadson is some random distributor overseas who with a random interest in Quixtar and Amway. He's posted thousands of times just on this blog alone. That doesn't count all the posts on his own blog, other blogs, time spent reading all these blogs, time spent preparing what to write and all the research he has miraculisly put his hands on which noone but the company and Jody Victor would have known about.
I figure at a minimum this person has spent 20-30 hours a week on his spinning of the truth activities. Unless someone is wearing a pin of Diamond or higher, I can't see them being that obsessed.
Also, have you noticed he has put down the company, he has put down Britt, Yager and even expressed that he wasn't totally happy with all of N21's actions last year. But he's sure fast to come to the defense of Jody Victor.
And if he really lives overseas, why would he care at all about Quixtar in North America. If he's that obsessed with the companie's image, wouldn't he be spending a lot more time with what's going on in his own back yard instead of spending 90% of his time on a company he isn't even in which is based on another continent.
He also seems to know quite a bit of detailed info about crossline groups that most Diamonds would ever know. The only person with inside info at the company, detailed knowledge of all different lines of sponsorship, an ego that can't stand personal attacks, and a direct strategy to deflect internet negatives is Jody Victor.
Do a search for Jody Victor and look at the way he has set up dozens if not hundreds of bogus websites to hide any negative about himself on the internet.
In my opinion noone but Jody would have the motive, the connections, and the resources to pull this off.
IBOFightBack is Jody Victor?
Hmmm, wonder who the guy was that I met in Prague for the Alticor Communications Conference in March.
You guys are too funny. :)
"In my opinion noone but Jody would have the motive, the connections, and the resources to pull this off."
Robert,
I hope you realize that your opinion is all it is. Sorry, but what you have written is so highly speculative there is no way one could even begin to try and draw some conclusion from it.
In the past Insider has defended N21 often and much more so then any defense of Victor. I go at it with Insider as much as anyone, but this is quite a stretch.
Bridgett,
While I don't know for sure if there is any truth to Robert's speculation, surely can accept the possibility that either the Amway/Quixtar Corporation, or one of the THIEVING Kingpins could HIRE David Steadson, by creating a LOT of SHELL CORPORATIONS to cover their tracks?
One thing that Robert is spot on - is the fact that "Insider" is NO ordinary IBO - he has WAY TOOOOO MUCH "inside" information about the Company.
I think that the person Bridgett met wasn't really a person at all, but a cyborg created by the lying cowardly kingpins to defend their Amway interests.
Bridgett is just believing what the Victors want her to believe.
Sadly enough, that is almost a more believable explanation.
I guess everyone needs something to hang their hat on, and for David Steadson, it's defending a train wreck of a company who deserves every shred of negative publicity it's ever received.
PQAI says:...”"Insider" is NO ordinary IBO - he has WAY TOOOOO MUCH "inside" information about the Company."
Bridgett's response: Then you could say the same thing about me. Any CURRENT IBO who is paying attention and has developed relationships with Corp. employees and with other IBOs has access to the information IBOFB posts.
What exactly has he posted that is so secret?
He's just a highly intense guy, wanting to know everything about everything, and willing to put in the work to get the information and then “publish” it.
He has a “following” of other IBOs across the world who are appreciative of his work on the Net regarding the Amway/Quixtar business.
I am not new to the business, but I am new to the Internet conversation regarding this business.
IBOFB’s comments in Prague on the blogging panel discussion were insightful and made me re-evaluate my resistance to having a voice on the Net as the positive, active IBO that I am.
rocket,
Must you be so disrespectful? "Train wreck"? I don't think you even really believe that.
Oh by the way, I've gained five pounds since when you commented on how emaciated and sickly I looked in that Prague photo.
Your words are always so uplifting and encouraging.
Look all of Steadson's blogs:
http:// www.thetruthaboutamway.com
http:// www.amwaywatch.com/
http:// mlmliberal.blogspot.com/
http:// amwaynorthamerica.blogspot.com/
http:// quixtarbusinessreview.blogspot.com/
http:// quixtatic.blogspot.com/
http:// amwaylatin.blogspot.com/
http:// www.amwaywiki.com/
http:// amwayaustralia.blogspot.com/
http:// www.amwaytalk.com
http:// amwayeurope.blogspot.com/
http:// www.amwaywatch.com/
http:// amquixvideo.blogspot.com/
http:// ibofightback.vox.com/
http:// ibofightback.livejournal.com/
oh, and don't forget the 79 videos about Amway he maintains on youtube.com
http://www.amquix.info/steadson_amway_zealot.html
Robert Jones said "I am not a member of Orrin's Team but it seems to me that although Orrin is not perfect, he is at least attempting to do the right thing a lot more than other members of the IBOAI Board.
From what I've heard he's lowered the price of his CD's to $4 a CD and now has a monthly system which includes 4 CD's, the Team website, a voicemail and a personal homepage for $25 a month."
Robert - Just like Team in Focus 7 years ago, Woodward can afford to look benevolent by lowering the prices of the system. What you have to realize ist that by leaving Amway/Quixtar he has left his line of sponsorship, all of whom have been taking a slice of the tool money pie. While he may look benevolent, he may have actually doubled or tripled his tool income because he is now the keystone in the updated tool pyramid.
GNG - Why am I not surprised? Once again, Woodward is duplicating TIF's scam almost completely. I remember, as a Founder's Ruby, being asked to continue to promote the tool system for TIF, even though we all knew about the pending split from Amway which would render the tapes et al obsolete, but "the 'founders' needed our support because they were taking a big financial leep of faith" Hopefully Woodward's new venture will be as successful as TIF's was. Most have had to return to their JOB, and several are now single. A small price to pay here on earth for screwing so many people!
Mr. Steadson is not Jody Victor. I believe that. He has in the past denied being compensated by the corporation. I could believe that.
What I don't believe is that he is not compensated for all of his time and efforts in defending the corporation and his beloved N21.
The latest post on Amquix info, IMO is a smoking gun suggesting that insider may be paid for his efforts. He may deny it, but then again, he's told a hoard of Amway related lies on this and other blogs.
I challenge Mr. Steadson to defend himself. I know he reads everything on this and other critical blogs.
I can honestly say i was a happy man when team went down in flames. The unmitigated crap that they spread around northern Michigan still has a bad taste in many peoples mouths. They wouldnt even tell people where the products came from!
Hey whoz,
Did you notice that Larsen mentions www.amwaywatch.com twice?
He must like that website. It really is quite swanky!
:)
Joecool said: "[IBOFightBack]he's told a hoard of Amway related lies on this and other blogs."
Bridgett's reply:"Can you elaborate, Joecool?"
What lies exactly has he told. Since there are a "hoard" of them, maybe you can name just a few? Thanks! :)
Bridgett said: What lies exactly has he told. Since there are a "hoard" of them, maybe you can name just a few? Thanks! :)
Joe says: I don't have time to go an search trough insider's 5000 posts here, but I can tell you some of the stories he fed us.
About showing the plan, a nice young couple reading this blog and not joining amway, prospects turning away, all this when he later admits to being "inactive". He also said he was a retired EDC, he said Qblog critics granted him "expert" status, he talked about his experiences at functions (not active remember?) and he also told some insignificant lies, such as he doesn't drink alcohol, which proved to be a lie from the stories in Prague.
I know there's more but I think the Amway related lies are significant.
Also, insider seems to think it's ok to lie or tell tales if you add a smiley to your story.
Bridgett, I do believe it is a train wreck of a business for the following reasons:
1. Very few actually make money at it. It's true.
2. It is the host for the motivational tools business and has been for many, many years. All while knowing full well what they were doing. They still aren't doing the right thing, except for maybe in the UK.
3. The leadership of the organizations within the business (accredited or not) fight tooth and nail to hang onto their ill gotten gains.
4. The products are overpriced. They lowered them substantially in the UK. Why not here? Because they haven't been forced to. People like you obviously don't care about overpaying for stuff, as long as you can dream, which the "leaders" help you along in believing.
5. They have never been transparent about much. Just enough to say they were trying, and keep the wolves off the door. Do you know what happened with Greg Fredericks? You should. He screwed up a LOT of potential IBO's yet you have no answers.
I believe I said you should have a burger. No mention of emaciated and sickly. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you would try and make something appear as something it's not. After all, you being successful in Amway depends on that very skill.
I'm sure you'll do marvelously.
Must you be so deceptive? That's worse than disrespectful. But I guess if you can't see it from the corp. and your leadership, you won't see it with yourself.
My words, by the way, are uplifting and encouraging to people I respect, and don't feel are trying to get away with stuff.
You implying that I was verbally abusive to you (which at the time you took in good humor as it was intended)places you into the category of those that I don't respect.
I did admire you in a way up until now.
Good luck with your Amway business.
Bridgett, no comment now that I pointed out the lies?
There's a feature story about Orrin in the current issue of Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/0811/050.html
Rocket,
You're not used to people complimenting you and then slapping you? Just following your lead. Lighten up.
Did I hurt your feelings? Sorry.
In regards to your comments about the train wreck, everyone's entitled to their opinion. I respect that.
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JoeCool,
I have no comment. Just wanted to see what you'd say.
Bridgett,
David Steadson was discredited once his identity was discovered. He had told a bunch of Amway related lies about the business and his experiences.
We found out that he had been inactive for many years, and probably had not achieved anything in the business. He claims that he still earns an income from his amway business, but I doubt that it's anything of significance since he hasn't been active since about 1999 or so, unless he has customers who keep buying and downlines who never quit despite him not even being in the same country anymore.
If you believe all of that, I have swmp land in Florida for sale.
Bridgett,
You didn't hurt my feelings, I was just very surprised that you would post about me saying things I never said in a context that you knew wasn't intended the way you portrayed it.
If you respect my opinion, then why take issue with it as you did? I articulated why it's a train wreck after you didn't believe I felt that way.
Obviously, you aren't able to defend the more obvious problems in your business.
For anyone interested, copy and paste this link to get you to where Bridgett alleges i called her skinny and emaciated:
http://www.ontheroadwithdave.com/2008/04/chronicles-of-prague-part-7.html
I think you'll find she took quite a few editorial liberties with what I said.
If she'll say that in an attempt to defend her business, what will she say to grow her business?
Food for thought.
Actually after reading that link you gave it looked to be a friendly exchange with no malice intended either way.
I'm not being very clear here, but allow me to explain.
I called Amway a train wreck of a business.
Bridgett called that disrespectful and then said, "Oh by the way, I've gained five pounds since when you commented on how emaciated and sickly I looked in that Prague photo."
I didn't call her emaciated & sickly.
It was a playful exchange which she has tried to change into something it wasn't, because I insulted her business.
Rather than, you know, addressing the problems in her business.
That is a prime example of a personal attack, which I recall Bridgett saying wasn't productive.
I attacked Amway because of the reasons I've laid out.
It's simply a classless action on her part.
Rocket,
I'm sorry I offended you. I attempted to give you the same attitude you give me, and so you were surprised by my comment because I'm not like you, am I? I don't have the same "persona" as you, right?
I am sorry.
We simply do not agree. You state opinion and then ask me to defend an opinion.
I respect your opinion. However, I find it wrong when you state your opinions as facts.
We've been over this. And you even chose to memorialize one of our more detailed exchanges on your blog under the link "Bridgett's Challenge" which links to this:
http://adatudes.opportunityzone.com/2007/08/31/Not-WalMart-and-Never-Want-to-Be.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage
Our comments went back on forth(October 31 to January 25) for three MONTHS, Rocket.
And it's all opinion.
Again, we simply do not agree. And that's ok.
I am an active IBO in the States.
You are an ex-IBO in Canada.
We have two very different perspectives.
And that a fact! :)
I don't know how to make this any clearer.
You didn't offend me. You simply misquoted me as retaliation for dissing your "business".
That's all I'm saying. You said that I called you names, which I didn't.
You insinuated I attacked you on a personal level with words which were not mine.
I'm not offended, you were simply attempting to deceive, as a retaliation, for me thinking Amway sucks.
It would take a little more than misquoting to offend me. I'm not hurt, offended, upset, sad, or anything of the sort.
Just pointing out a pretty blatant attempt at deception by you.
Such a shining leadership example.
rocket (re: your July 26th, 9:39 pm comment)
I've re-read the comment to you on July 20th.
I do not believe I said you called me names. I'm sorry if you thought I said that.
And I don't believe I insinuated that you personally attacked me regarding the hamburger comment. LOL. I'm sorry rocket, I can't help but laugh as I type this. This is getting absurd. I attempted to match your biting sense of humor with that comment, and I failed miserably.
I apologize.
Apology accepted
Rocket, you may now kiss the bride.
Bridgett,
Can I ask what you find to be appealing about the Quixtar/Amway business?
Access of this blog to there is denied!
Of course you can copy | paste the URL and you're there!
What an a$$ this guy is!! Fought battle with Scott Larsen with amway, now fighting WITH amway saying something we've been saying....pushing another MLM....
Bazaro world!
Posted by: Loser | June 27, 2008 4:49 AM