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March 27, 2008
Amway and their Perfect Water
By Truth in Amway
Around the web I have been seeing more and more articles about the Perfect Water product from Amway. Of course it is open to some skepticism because of the claims that are being made, which are that you can have better balance, strength and flexibility after even just one ounce and this can occur within seconds. Apparently there are demonstrations of this being done by IBOs and many of those videos can be found on the web.
A search for Amway and Perfect Water on YouTube will show several videos from open meetings of these "demonstrations". I have watched several videos and I have a hard time believing some of the claims that they are making can happen with just one ounce of water, and occur in an instant on top of that. So I have included a couple of videos in this post, one of them is a demonstration and the other is a video uploaded by Scott Larsen showing how he believes the IBOs are rigging the tests. I will let you make up your own mind about the water.
UPDATE:
Over at the opportunity zone there is a post about making false claims about products, and references perfect water directly. The article is written by Gary VanderVen and he states in the article:
IBOs must only use claims and demonstrations which have been approved by Quixtar to promote this product. This list of approved claims is available at www.drinkperfectwater.com or in the "What's New" section at www.quixtar.com.
So with that I paid a visit to the drinkperfectwater.com site to see what kind of claims they make about the water, since they would be the approved claims for IBOs to use, here is what I found in the FAQ section:
What are the benefits of drinking Perfect Empowered Drinking Water? The water has been developed as a premium drinking water and is intended only for that use. No specific benefit claims are made nor represented. To see what others are saying, see the Testimonials tab on drinkperfectwater.com and share with us your own testimonials as to the ways you feel Perfect Empowered Drinking Water benefits you! (emphasis mine)
So since the site FAQ says they make no specific benefit claims or do the represent any are the demonstrations by IBOs in the videos seen on YouTube a violation? An argument could be made either way and I won't comment on that question myself but again I will leave it up to you to make up your own mind.
Comments
Oh yeah Truth, we had HOURS of private, confidential TRAINING on how to do the Tip Test. Shhhhhhh...don't tell anybody!!! So far, we've been able to get away with "tip testing" hundreds of unsuspecting victims....
Heh heh heh heh heh heh (evil laugh).
C'MON! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you KIDDING ME?!?!?!?
You guys are simply unbelievable. I never would have believed that such cynical, nasty, negative people existed until I happened upon this site.
IT'S NEVER GOOD ENOUGH!
Where do the IBOs get their huckster outfits and pointing wand to tap the bottle? There is probably a run on them somewhere. The age old art of huckstering is evidently alive and well.
I notice that there is a fresh post on Ada-Tudes warning errant IBOs of possible suspension should they get caught promoting Perfect Water using unsubstantiated claims.
I doubt that this water will be a retail sales success, but is another recruitment ploy to attract more marks into the Biz. Time will tell.
Tell me exactly what is cynical, negative, and nasty about pointing out some new controversy that is taking place and posting videos for others to make up their own minds?
I guess I don't do it like the IBO leaders and just tell others what they should believe and expect them to believe it. I actually give them credit for being able to make up their own minds.
Truth and Quixtarisnotacult,
Have you guys tried out the water and or test for yourselves?? I have not for myself but looking forward to it. You guys have yet said what you think about the so call "Perfect" water. I mean how can you comment on something and have not tried it yet?
It makes me sad to think the Corp is willing to pass along the kind of anecdotal stories that get blown out of proportion and give a LOT of MLMs a black eye.....
Amway can NOT afford to look sleazy right now - NOT if they're truly trying to clean up their image???
Deb
IBO?
Let me buy that Espring from you for $150.00. Is it over or under the counter Espring? LOL!!
Perfectwater website under the FAQS section says:
Please note that Perfect Empowered Drinking Water has not been designed, nor tested, for treating, diagnosing, mitigating, curing, or preventing any disease or medical condition, nor for specific performance enhancement in any category, and no claims are made. Nor are any such claims authorized regarding the use of the water for any purpose other than as a drinking water.
Truth, Like I said in my previous post. Lets try it ourselves and see. I'm doing my research on this new product for myself and not really caring what other IBO's are doing with demo's. I'm waiting on my shipment of the water and compare it with other water I drink. I probably would mix my simply nutrilite twist tube with it anyway. Thanks fella for what you do.
~Eric
U.S. Navy
Eric,
No I have not tried it, but wouldn't mind trying it. I don't see what that has to do with what I wrote however. My post has to do with claims that are being made by IBOs which according to the post at the opportunity zone and what is found by both you and I at the perfect water site are claims that should not be made.
This water isn't even made by Alticor or any of its subsidiaries....which most likely means it will be on the market under another name. I wonder if that is the case, will people being posting the same kind of poppycock videos about it on you tube? What in the world makes IBO's so defensive and adamant about a product that they themselves know little about?
Thanks Truth! Now over at quixtar.com...they are looking into the demo claims that IBO's are claiming about the water. Here is what Quixtar posted on their website.
Selling Perfect Water
Quixtar statement about product claims.
As you are aware, in April Quixtar will launch Perfect Empowered Drinking Water™, a refreshing premium drinking water infused with MBO™, which is produced using a proprietary process that stabilizes oxygen in water. The product is not manufactured by Access Business Group and is being sourced from an outside vendor.
IBOs must take care not to exaggerate the product's effectiveness or imply that it can be used for medicinal purposes. Only claims and demonstrations which have been approved may be used to promote this product.
We are in the process of reviewing and substantiating demonstrable claims. We hope to complete these tests as soon as possible and will add additional claims and demonstrations as they are substantiated. Upon the conclusion of the review, we will provide a list of substantiated and approved claims that IBOs can use to market this product. Quixtar will provide you with an update on the status of all tests and claims prior to shipping product, which is scheduled for mid-April. Until then, we appreciate the cooperation of IBOs in using only published and approved claims.
The Rules of Conduct prohibit an IBO from making any exaggerated product claims or any claims not supported in authorized product literature. If an IBO is found to be in violation of this rule, Quixtar will require the IBO to correct the misinformation and may apply sanctions up to an immediate six-month suspension. Please keep in mind that the Corporation also has a Zero Tolerance Policy against any unauthorized websites or unauthorized advertising. If you would like to promote Perfect Water on the internet or in any other medium, please submit the request to Rules Administration for authorization at qbcr.department@quixtar.com or by calling 616-787-6712.
Approved claims include the following:
1. Perfect Empowered Drinking Water is a great-tasting, refreshing, and thirst-quenching premium drinking water.
2. A proprietary 15-step manufacturing process results in a purified, remineralized, ionized, microstructured, and stabilized oxygen drinking water.
3. Perfect Empowered Drinking Water is infused with MBO, which is produced using a proprietary process that stabilizes oxygen in water.
4. The product is purified using carbon and UV technology similar to what is used to create eSpring® purified water.
5. Perfect Empowered Drinking Water contains essential trace minerals, including potassium, calcium, and magnesium.
6. The "Perfect Empowered Drinking Water" brand, manufactured using the proprietary MBO process, is exclusive to Quixtar.
A complete list of usable claims is available at www.drinkperfectwater.com. The claims will be updated as Quixtar and the manufacturer complete the review.
If you have any questions about this email, please contact Business Conduct and Rules or your Quixtar Sales Advisor.
So Deb...don't jump just yet!
I have seen alot of changes with this company and their IBO's including myself since I've been back from overseas. However, I did review those videos on you tube and I think they are stupid.
I, for one, have tried water. I drink it, bathe in it (shower, actually), swim in it, keep fish in it, put it on my lawn and houseplants, give it to the animals...the uses are endless!
Anyone looking for, or expecting, some sort of miracle result from drinking water from an expensive bottle? Looks like it.
It's WATER. What do you expect to 'see'?
what is your guys promblem i just came back from a tranning course and they had bottles of the perfict water...and did the test and i was one of thoses guys on stage for the first time and never had talked to the guy doing it..the water really did do what it say's it can do.....give it time.....iam sold on this stuff tpdate i have 45 case on order...u do the math....
Eric said: You guys have yet said what you think about the so call "Perfect" water. I mean how can you comment on something and have not tried it yet?
Joe says: I havne't jumped off a ten story building before but I can say with some certainty that it's not good for your health.
I'd love to know what kinds of outrageous claims are being made. Care to expound?
We have done many "tip tests". We did not go through any special training. We pulled the "how to" sheet right from the perfect water website. We followed it. It's pretty simple. Remember, in this business, ANYBODY should be able to sell our exclusive products. This opportuity is, after all, for the "average joe" who doesn't win a lottery or become a pro ball player or become a ceo of a company or invent the next best thing to sliced bread. One of the beauties of this business is that it is offered to the average person.
Anyway, we personally, with our very own eyes, have seen and heard (with our very own ears) some pretty cool results from drinking this water.
We're not claiming it performs miracles or cures anything. We simply (as with ALL of our exclusive products) EDUCATE and INFORM our prospects, customers and IBO team members about the product. We demo them. Many times against the next largest selling "competitive" (lol) product. 99% of the time, it's no comparison. In our experiences, we win every time.
This perfect water is just that. It's water. It's been filtered, ionized, mineralized, alkalized, more than any other "leading" brand. That's all. And it's priced extremely competitively. In fact, for what it offers, it's under priced! That's not an outrageous claim...that's the REAL truth!
I don't see what the big deal is guys. After coming to this site on and off for awhile I've come to the conclusion that you guys will find something wrong with anyting Amway/Quixtar/AMO/QMO offers or presents. You have made your minds up to do so.
I have made my mind up to take advantage of this phenomenal business opportunity and to share it (and the products) with as many people as I possibly can.
God bless you.
Any physicians out there? Is it physically possible for water with pumped in oxygen increase body flexibility?
I'm not a doctor but I highly doubt that people who cannot bend over and touch their toes will be able to do so after a gulp of this water.
"I'd love to know what kinds of outrageous claims are being made. Care to expound?"
First of all no one said anything about anyone making "outrageous" claims. Matter of fact you are the first person to use the word "outrageous" when referring to the claims made. So perhaps you can keep to the topic the way it has been presented and spare us the typical IBO drama that so many IBOs like to use when they play victim.
Second, the claims are that this product will increase strength, balance, and flexibility with just one ounce and will do so within seconds. According to Quixtar the only claims that are supposed to be made about this product are the ones on the perfect water website and Quixtar website. I don't see those claims on either site.
"We demo them. Many times against the next largest selling "competitive" (lol) product. 99% of the time, it's no comparison. In our experiences, we win every time."
That is funny, because the demo really doesn't matter a whole lot once the price is usually revealed.
"I don't see what the big deal is guys. After coming to this site on and off for awhile I've come to the conclusion that you guys will find something wrong with anyting Amway/Quixtar/AMO/QMO offers or presents. You have made your minds up to do so."
So I guess what is good for the goose is not good for the gander. Care to back that claim up with some actual facts. Because the truth be told if you were to actually do your homework on this site and those who comment you will find that there are products that people like, and there are things that Amway has done that other agree with. But I guess you are one of those who wishes to join the ranks of the other narrow-minded IBOs who just see a critic and instead of listening for themselves, they just buy into all the assumptions that were taught to them by their holy uplines.
"what is your guys promblem i just came back from a tranning course and they had bottles of the perfict water...and did the test and i was one of thoses guys on stage for the first time and never had talked to the guy doing it..the water really did do what it say's it can do.....give it time.....iam sold on this stuff tpdate i have 45 case on order...u do the math....
John,
What exactly am I supposed to calculate from you buying 45 cases of water?
I posted some interesting perfect water testimonials on the critics section of the forum.
The REAL Truth! writes: "We have done many "tip tests". We did not go through any special training. We pulled the "how to" sheet right from the perfect water website. "
CK asks: You say you got the tip-test instructions right off the website? Isn't the website sponsored by Q*? Q*, who is telling all you IBOs to cut that out?
What am I missing here?
Eric,
Pure old fashioned hucksterism. It was known to take in suckers back in the day, and guess what, it still takes in suckers today. As much as things change, they pretty much remain the same.
I guess there is a market for products like this, at least amongst gullible IBO Consumers.
Why not show me some of your retail muscle, retail those ten outside customers and make that 70% rule that that legitimizes your Biz.
Seeing is believing; until then you've got another over priced product to add to your monthy purchases. It is a good thing it works: you will need the extra flexibility to grab your ankles while the tool kingpins and Amway Dons have their way with you.
The business is good, and the water is good... the problem is how can we take Amway seriously with these "demonstrations".. It reminds me of all of those westerns I used to watch growing up.. you know, the ones with the guy in a white suit that's selling a miracle drink that is a medicine, stain-remover, laxitive, and beverage all in one... It makes them look like scam-artists.
And, yes, I have an eSpring too. And I'll be keeping mine.. hehe
Since all these IBOs are so swayed by testimonials and demos - their houses must be packed with late-night infomercial products!
Next!
Hi Truth!
Aren't these videos goofy? I saw the "tests" live, with people that I know, and it's pretty wild.
Then I did the "tests" with just one ounce of water and it's just plain weird. Your mind is saying, "how can this be happening", while your body is doing what the videos show.
It's wacky, I know. And all this talk about the person is manipulating the tipping. Whatever. That myth can be instantly shattered when you have both people--the tipper and the tippe--being the skeptical ones.
It's really fun.
Pretty freaky, but fun! I know it looks goofy if you don't do it yourself, but kind of a nice attention-graber, don't ya think?
Sure's gotten a ton of attention in the last few weeks. Thanks!
I've talked to six people (potential customers) about the water, and out of those six people, I've advanced ordered six cases for four of them (which they paid for). And the other two are open to trying it when I get some.
The water hasn't been released yet. Another few weeks before it starts to ship. So Quixtar and the IBOs and the water website are working out all the kinks (seeing all the crap on the Internet that is popping up and addressing it--like taking the "tests instructions" off the water website) before it officially launches.
Veeeeery smart move.
By the way, Scott Larsen uploaded the videos? The critic? How'd he get them?
Truth, did you delete the message I submitted last night warning IBOs not to exaggerate claims, giving a link to what Quixtar Rules had to say -- and, if so, could you tell me why, at least by private email?
"Truth, did you delete the message I submitted last night warning IBOs not to exaggerate claims, giving a link to what Quixtar Rules had to say -- and, if so, could you tell me why, at least by private email?"
No, I did not delete any comment like that. But since this site gets pounded with spam I wouldn't rule out that it got junked by accident. If that is the case sorry about that, you can post your comment again if you like.
This works. We have seen the effect in person about 30 times. In our house we asked for negative non-ibo visitors. The effect works in 30 to 60 seconds every time. See it live and try it in late April after public release. Jumping to conclusions is dumb but great exercise. Retail is $1.99 for 16.9oz and real benfits. I am a Pharmacist and wife is Registered Nurse
Truth,
There is a simple reason people don't tip the second time. They are bracing for it because they know what's about to happen. They are resisting to being pulled. Is there any scientific facts to back this water up?
Ever wonder why "Evian" is spelled "Naive" backwards?
Uh michael, u are a pharmacist and ur wife is a nurse, isn't selling some thing and benefiting form it becomes conflict of interest? ur customers may buy into it impressed by ur credentials?
Makes me sick, ironically, thinking about it.
My sponsor was an accountant, I thought well, he is a smart fella, at least about money...
Truth,
YOU guys are the ones saying that outrageous (yes, I chose to use that word) claims are being made. The point I got from your original comment was that you guys were 'up in arms' about some claims being made. What claims?
It DOES immediately improve balance, flexibility & strength after being consumed. I KNOW it does because I've seen it (as I stated earlier) with my very own eyes multiple times!!! We've demoed on downline, prospects, total strangers, chiropractors, doctors, etc. and it has gotten a positive result every single time, leaving the person impressed. They are even impressed with the price which again, is $1.99 retail & $1.70 wholesale for a 16 oz. bottle. VERY competitively priced! Especially when you consider the quality of the water.
CK,
Did you catch that? This is one (of many) product that you can NOT say is overpriced for what you get. Just wait and try it for yourself. That way, you can actually speak from experience, for a change.
Truth,
You say the demo of our products doesn't matter once the price is revealed. Where the heck did you get that info.? Surely not from personal experience. Because when we demo our Nutrilite, XS, Trim Advantage & SA8 products and then reveal the prices, we get customers every time! No exaggeration!
Truth,
It really hurts your credibility when you speak without any experience to back up your statements & claims.
And by the way Truth, I HAVE done my "homework" and can in all honesty, tell you that I have seen "critics" tear apart every single rational, logical & even emotional arguement that any IBO has submitted. It has made me wonder what your objective is. It's certainly NOT to share the truth. And it's certainly NOT to be objective about this business. You and your fellow critics have been clear all along that you hate this business model & you are at the very least, out to destroy the AMO's/QMO's, if not the entire corporation.
"YOU guys are the ones saying that outrageous (yes, I chose to use that word) claims are being made. The point I got from your original comment was that you guys were 'up in arms' about some claims being made. What claims?"
First of all no one is up in arms about anything. The simple point of this post is that claims are being made by IBOs that both perfect water and Quixtar deny, and Quixtar has even gone through the trouble of warning IBOs that they could be disciplined for making such claims.
"It DOES immediately improve balance, flexibility & strength after being consumed. I KNOW it does because I've seen it (as I stated earlier) with my very own eyes multiple times!!!"
...and this matters why? I am not trying to argue if it works or not. I will let others make up their mind on that. But those very claims you just made are not approved by either Quixtar or Perfect Water and therefore are not to be made by IBOs. Those are Quixtar's rules my friend not mine.
"It really hurts your credibility when you speak without any experience to back up your statements & claims."
You mean like you making claims that the company that sells the product won't even back up. It not only hurts your credibility but all IBOs when you come here and clearly don't know what claims you are not supposed to be making about your products.
"You and your fellow critics have been clear all along that you hate this business model & you are at the very least, out to destroy the AMO's/QMO's, if not the entire corporation."
Please show me where I have ever said that I hate Quixtar or Amway, and where I have stated that my mission was to "destroy the entire corporation". My guess is that you won't be able to do so.
quote:
"CK,
Did you catch that? This is one (of many) product that you can NOT say is overpriced for what you get. Just wait and try it for yourself. That way, you can actually speak from experience, for a change."
What do you 'get', exactly? Have you performed the "tip test" as a double-blind? Do you have any peer-reveiwed scientific studies to back up what you allege this water "does"?
Even your beloved Q* has told you guys to stop making the unsupported claims of increased strenth and flexibility.
I wonder why that is?
Welcome back Tony!
Now I'm off to my local car dealer who will give $10,000 over "book value" for my trade-in! Or maybe I can be in their "test program" where I don't have a monthly payment for a new car and just pay for the gas I use! Forever!(since all testamonials are gospel)
Rrrriiiight!!
Hello Truth,
Well the weird thing is I was very skeptical of this product. With my background and history I I too was skeptical. The issue is I tried it and it is Real! Great Amazing product! It appears Amway will have the market on this one. The only real thing you can do it try it for yourself. It is amazingly weird that it works the way it does and it is a great product that IBOs can retail to. I am a believer only after I tried it and experienced the results and no it is not some goofy set up. I challange everyone to not say a word until you have tried it yourself. I say that because I lauaghed to before I tried it. Now I am speachless.
One gulp of water and your flexibility increases.
Do IBOs realize how ridiculous that is?
It's only water.
The tests appear to work because of something called a "self fulfilling prophecy. Think about it.
I am certainly glad that our pharmacist is not named Michael whose wife is a registered nurse.
Is that David Shores on the video making those claims?
Good Lord.
Wow...I'm glad I got out when I did.
From the drinkperfectwater.com website FAQ section:
What is the source of Perfect Empowered Drinking Water?
There’s a lot of hype going around about the source of bottled waters with companies claiming their water is better because it is from a spring, a deep well, an aquifer, a glacier, distilled water, artesian water, or other sources. Regardless of the source and individual preferences, none of it is good enough for our high quality standards. We start with safe water sources tested to be suitable for drinking water and then give it a clean slate with our proprietary 15-step purification process and other technologies so that the water that goes into the bottle is nothing less than “perfect.”
I love the line: We start with safe water sources tested to be suitable for drinking water and then give it a clean slate...
Interpreted: Tap Water
Hello..I am a former IBO and I remember that Quixtar was about to do a product launch a few years ago with Perfect Water (it was called Super H20 or something like that). Some of the Diamonds and Emeralds were walking around the functions with these in clear plastic bottles w/ red tops. Then, for whatever reason, they decided wasn't the right time and they pulled it out. Though it may not be accurate, from what I heard it was something about the "micro-clusters" going back into its original state once the bottle was opened - therefore returning to regular water - not a good shelf life. If that's true, I commend the company for taking out a product that wasn't perfected or at least close to perfected.
There's a lot of hoopla here that it's just "water", but there's a LOT of 3rd party research out there regarding micro-clustered and ionized water. Micro-clustered in being, the water molecules are so condensed that it passes through our body tissues much easier resulting in a higher absorption rate rather than the water just passing through our bodies. Higher alkalinity provides restoration in the body.
At least, that's what MOST of the research I've read points to. There's plenty of research out there and most are from years ago, way before Quixtar even thought of selling this. Some sites (and some close friends from Japan) say that Japan has been doing this to their water in most of there hospitals now and that it's an accepted medical practice. How accurate is this, I don't know, I've never been to Japan. But I do know that Japan's medicinal practices are very different in that most of their culture does believe in herbs and prevention vs western medicinal practices of just treating the symptoms of a problem.
I am neither for or against this water from Quixtar, but I do believe in the science behind it. The real question is whether this particular brand exclusive to Quixtar (since it's a outside source) says what it says it does and their patented process really makes the water into this "super water".
I hope that IBOs take heed to what the corporation says what they cannot say until approved. I left the company after reaching Platinum for personal reasons, but I'd hate to see the company take another hit from its reputation, because immature IBOs can't follow the rules (which includes high ranking IBOs). It wouldn't be good to have them seen like another "Noni" or "Xango" company because of the claims of its distributors.
The reason that Quixtar told everybody to stop making claims about the water was because somebody started sending out some voicemail messages. (At least in my LoS) One was about a guy in a wheelchair who suddenly was able to stretch without his muscle relaxants, and the other was about a headache that disappeared. That takes the water into the murky waters of Xango and other products where they started making medical claims that might have just been a fluke. (My wife's parents were telling us that Xango cured cancer, arthritis, liver problems, joint issues, colds, etc.)
As for the tests, I can't make any claims for anybody else, but I can say that when I have tried these tests on others, I let the try it as many times as they want so that they can get ready for what is going to happen, stretch out, warm up, etc. We normally had them try to stretch our 2-3 times minimum (unless they wanted to do more), and tried to "tip" them 2-3 times before they had the water. We did this after reading the AmQuix page to make sure that the claims of stretching out/warming up/being ready for the "tip" were taken care of.
But, I wish we were still getting those voicemails. Some of them were pretty funny. One of them had somebody using that water in his sleep apnea machine and it let him sleep better, and live longer, and wake up earlier, and be more rested, etc, etc, etc, and it went on for almost 5 minutes.
Hope that answers some questions ya'll had about why Q* did what they did
Truth,
Currently, we can say that it improves
Balance
Strength
and
Flexiblity
These are not listed on Quixtar.com, but at Quixtar.com is says "A complete list of usable claims is available at www.drinkperfectwater.com. The claims will be updated as Quixtar and the manufacturer complete the review."
Those claims are under the "Why Buy Perfect Water" tab on the drinkperfectwater.com
I say "currently", because, as I said, "The claims will be updated as Quixtar and the manufacturer complete the review."
That's why, even though Quixtar did ask for the videos to be taken down, they really are not making any claims which are not CURRENTLY allowed.
It's Scott Larsen who re-uploaded the videos and put false claims, like the word "miracle" in the titles and the descriptions. The videos, originallly posted by IBOs did not make those "unacceptable" claims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHMfe7T6pw
An Oxygen stabilized water? OK, but what did they do to stabilize the hydrogen? If they stabilized that too then the stuff would be a very very special H2O. IF they stabilized the hydrogen.... well maybe not you know the old ..." oh the humanity!" stuff and all....
OK, I just gave one of the guys in my office the tip test, but I used the techniques explained in Larson's video. We didn't have any magic healing waters, but we did have 9-5 coffee (the only Amquix Product I still use). Man this stuff is amazing. My co-worker nearly fell over at first, THEN AFTER JUST ONE SIP OF 9to5, I couldn't even budge him.
Wonder what would happen if I made the coffee with Perfect Water. Hmmmmmm
Or maybe I could renew my IBOship, and make KOOL-AID with the perfect water. Nope, from the posts here, sounds like somebody already had that idea!
For all the 'oh my gosh it's real' people out there wasting their money and looking foolish:
Find someone who is good at giving your magic tests. Place some of your magic water in cups, and place some regular tap water in other cups. Have the 'tip-master' administer the tests to folks not knowing whether it's the magic water or just plain tap water. The tester should not know that you are switching waters.
You'll be amazed when you find out plain old tap water has the same effect when the tester thinks it's magic water.
Then open your wallets and see how much money you just wasted.
I guess my other comment was too long or something because it didn't make it onto the comments. So I'll try to make this one shorter. Shame, I had some good stories in it...
I think they pulled the videos and demonstrations from drinkperfectwater.com because we in WWDB had started to get messages about medical claims. Things like, "It got rid of my headache", or "I don't have to take my prescribed muscle relaxants".
Those are obviously out of the bounds of what we can say, because not everybody actually gets those benefits from the water. We had almost a message a day for a week telling us not to send out these messages, but people just kept sending them out. So, we got a message saying that everything needs to be taken off of YouTube, etc, because people kept doing what we are not supposed to do.
It was getting to the point that Xango is at/was at. My wife's parents told us that Xango would cure cancer, arthritis, the flu, and two or three other ailments. And that's what the messages that we were getting had started to sound like.
Truth,
I re-read what I wrote and it came off a bit aggressive. I want to apologize for that.
Hey, all of you, go to drinkperfectwater.com and print off the pdf. It will backup all that we IBO's are saying.
By the way, to you skeptics (of which I was one as well....I laughed at the claims too until I saw some in person and heard some from my spouse): I have done tip tests where I did not tell the person anything. Nothing. At all. Then, I've had THEM do the tip test to another person. So, there's no 'rigging' or 'scamming'. We simply say "hey, you gotta see this" or "hey, you gotta check this out" and then they see the results for themselves.
Just wait and try it for yourself, ok? It will be a good product to retail, like the XS & the SA8 & the LOC & the Simply Nutrilite & the Artistry products.
That's really what the corp. is trying to do. Give us products that are competitively priced & have an advantage over competition (value, quality, convenience) so that IBO's can make a profit right out of the gate. I got 2 more IBO's started this weekend and I have another training session tonight.
I didn't mean to sound harsh. Just try it for yourself when it becomes available in the next few weeks.
Thanks.
Ever hear of the "placebo effect." A good study would be to do the "tip test" with tap water. Bet if you tell people it's the perfect water and have them drink it out of the bottle, the results will be exactly the same. The stretch test is also funny. Every time you stretch, your muscles become more flexible. Try the toe touching test w/out drinking anything. Bet you can stretch farther the second time regardless, because your muscles are more warm!
I also don't know how extra oxygen from water is supposed to get into my bloodstream. I don't have gills! I breathe my oxygen in from my lungs, and the oxygen in water is used to help hydrate me and remove waste through ionic bonding of other organic materials (nice way of decribing going #1 in the bathroom). If I had to get my oxygen from water and was human, I'd be in real trouble, since that's the number one cause of drowning!
I have it on good authority that tipping shows were going on last night (March 30, 2008. IBOs are ignoring orders to stop the hucksterism.
I will believe it after I see REAL, unbiased tests proving that this works as the videos claim after one ounce in seconds. Until then....do IBO's have any clue how dumb they look? This is not helping Amway at all. Not even a month after the name change...and look at the great start. What a joke.
It doesn't matter what you say to these IBOs. They are convinced of the effects and that's all that matters to them. All they see are dollar signs and if you disagree with them, they are going to argue more.
I guess if I drink a case, I should be able to do the splits shouldn't I? Now that would be cool! Where can I buy some?
Truth,
Will you please update your update?
My 3/31 @6:56 am post informs you that IBOs CAN make claims of:
Balance
Strength
and
Flexiblity.
And that's what the videos show.
Thank you, TRUTH.
~Jane.
By the way, to you skeptics (of which I was one as well....I laughed at the claims too until I saw some in person and heard some from my spouse): I have done tip tests where I did not tell the person anything. Nothing. At all. Then, I've had THEM do the tip test to another person. So, there's no 'rigging' or 'scamming'.
Sigh - you're not doing the scamming (that you know of). You're the one getting scammed.
Because you fell for it is not proof, in any way, that it isn't a scam and the claims are true.
To John,
"What exactly am I supposed to calculate from you buying 45 cases of water?"
The fact that you can buy it as a great product from Amway/Quixtar instead of the gas station or store and get PV/BV! It is just another product I can drink and I can retail it up to what ever I want and make money on it with an honest water need that everyone has. Remember it is pretty closely priced with stores, the kicker is not the fact that it has some other benefits but it is however cleaner and more purified than any real competition. Dah! that is why 45 cases were bought, why be so cynical just because we are excited about it. Amway will hit a home run with this one. It is great for all Athletes and virtually every American who’s concerned about drink purified water. It is like e-spring to go:)
HEY TRUTH,
YOU REMOVED THE QUIXTAR EMAIL ABOUT THIS ENTIRE ISSUE! THE EMAIL WAS ABOUT THE CLAIMS. YOUR POST IS SLANDEROUS AND A DICRACE TO THE ISSUE OF INTEGRITY. I HOPE PEOPLE SEE YOUR INTENT HERE. PEOPLE ARE NOT PROMOTING THINGS WRONGLY. ONLY YOU ARE WITH THIS NEGATIVE POSTED ADD. DON'T BE A PLAYER HATER JUST BECAUSE WE GOT A COOL NEW PRODUCT THAT ONLY HELPS THE IBO CAUSE! IF YOU’RE ABOUT TRUTH THEN REPOST THE EMAIL IN YOUR DESCIPTION BEFORE THE BLOGS. THEN THIS BLOG TOPIC WILL NOT HOLD WATER!
March, 2008
Perfect Empowered Drinking Water Claims
To qualified Platinums and above,
As you are aware, in April Quixtar will launch Perfect Empowered Drinking Water™, a refreshing premium drinking water infused with MBO™, which is produced using a proprietary process that stabilizes oxygen in water. The product is not manufactured by Access Business Group and is being sourced from an outside vendor.
IBOs must take care not to exaggerate the product’s effectiveness or imply that it can be used for medicinal purposes. Only claims and demonstrations which have been approved may be used to promote this product.
We are in the process of reviewing and substantiating demonstrable claims. We hope to complete these tests as soon as possible and will add additional claims and demonstrations as they are substantiated. Upon the conclusion of the review, we will provide a list of substantiated and approved claims that IBOs can use to market this product. Quixtar will provide you with an update on the status of all tests and claims prior to shipping product, which is scheduled for mid-April. Until then, we appreciate the cooperation of IBOs in using only published and approved claims.
The Rules of Conduct prohibit an IBO from making any exaggerated product claims or any claims not supported in authorized product literature. If an IBO is found to be in violation of this rule, Quixtar will require the IBO to correct the misinformation and may apply sanctions up to an immediate six-month suspension. Please keep in mind that the Corporation also has a Zero Tolerance Policy against any unauthorized websites or unauthorized advertising. If you would like to promote Perfect Water on the internet or in any other medium, please submit the request to Rules Administration for authorization at qbcr.department@quixtar.com or by calling 616-787-6712.
Approved claims include the following:
1. Perfect Empowered Drinking Water is a great-tasting, refreshing, and thirst-quenching premium drinking water.
2. A proprietary 15-step manufacturing process results in a purified, remineralized, ionized, microstructured, and stabilized oxygen drinking water.
3. Perfect Empowered Drinking Water is infused with MBO, which is produced using a proprietary process that stabilizes oxygen in water.
4. The product is purified using carbon and UV technology similar to what is used to create eSpring® purified water.
5. Perfect Empowered Drinking Water contains essential trace minerals, including potassium, calcium, and magnesium.
6. The “Perfect Empowered Drinking Water” brand, manufactured using the proprietary MBO process, is exclusive to Quixtar.
A complete list of usable claims is available at www.drinkperfectwater.com. The claims will be updated as Quixtar and the manufacturer complete the review.
If you have any questions about this email, please contact Business Conduct and Rules or your Quixtar Sales Advisor.
Sandy Spielmaker
Vice President – Sales
Quixtar/Amway Global
In spite of the tipping hoax, the toe touching and hip turns are just a case of human nature. Take a group of people and tell them to reach up as high as they possibly can, have them relax,then tell them to really really reach as high as they can, almost all of them will reach higher. This is an old Zig Ziglar trick to demonstrate that people have to be prodded to get out of their comfort zone.
I would expect the people to reach the floor better or turn farther because by now the huckster has established an air of expectancy, and the victim is going to do everything they can to not disappoint; so they stretch their comfort zone.
Another shame in this new product is that now IBO's will be promoting a product that produces tons of waste through plastic bottles rather than the former water purification systems that were actually eco-friendly. Shame on Quixtar/Amway. Every forward thinking company on Earth, including Wal-Mart, is touting green products and Amway is coming out with another bottled water.
"Truth,
Will you please update your update?
My 3/31 @6:56 am post informs you that IBOs CAN make claims of:
Balance
Strength
and
Flexiblity.
And that's what the videos show."
Jane,
No, I will not update my update. Your logic for how you are somehow able to make a claim that perfect water has anything to do with balance, strength and flexibility is so off I find it quite disturbing actually.
The page on the site that you are referring to says (in quite the advertising fashion) that it MAY help with balance, strength, and flexibility. In other words they are not making any such claim. Also, in the FAQ section it is quite clear that the perfect water company is not making any claims other then they make a good bottle of drinking water, and the videos show IBOs making more claims then that.
So, my update and article are correct and right and will not be updated.
Thanks
"YOU REMOVED THE QUIXTAR EMAIL ABOUT THIS ENTIRE ISSUE! THE EMAIL WAS ABOUT THE CLAIMS.
What's with the all CAPS? First I have not removed any such e-mail, because I never posted any e-mail in my article in the first place. Second, I have two comments that have been published that are communications from Quixtar about what claims are allowed to be made. Perhaps you should take the time to read before you start yelling at others.
"YOUR POST IS SLANDEROUS AND A DICRACE TO THE ISSUE OF INTEGRITY. I HOPE PEOPLE SEE YOUR INTENT HERE."
OK, first legal 101 lesson. Slander is spoken, so since I did not speak anything on a blog slander cannot possibly apply. The term I think you are looking for is libel. However, that does not apply either since my article does not even come close to anything resembling libel.
I would agree that it is an issue of integrity and now I wonder about your integrity accusing me of such a charge without any solid evidence to back that claim. My bet is that people are wondering what you intent is.
"PEOPLE ARE NOT PROMOTING THINGS WRONGLY."
Sorry, but according to Quixtar people are promoting things wrongly. I have yet to see where it is approved to make the claim that the water improves balance, flexibility, and strength with one ounce in a matter of seconds.
"ONLY YOU ARE WITH THIS NEGATIVE POSTED ADD."
Yes, I know it is so negative to question claims people make about products, we should all just believe all the advertising like a bunch of mindless drones.
"DON'T BE A PLAYER HATER JUST BECAUSE WE GOT A COOL NEW PRODUCT THAT ONLY HELPS THE IBO CAUSE!"
LOL!! You have a bottle of water, you do realize that right? I have no doubt that a good bottled water could help IBOs, but just like many other things it seems the IBOs are getting out of control with exactly what the water does and once again are only hurting their cause.
"IF YOU’RE ABOUT TRUTH THEN REPOST THE EMAIL IN YOUR DESCIPTION BEFORE THE BLOGS. THEN THIS BLOG TOPIC WILL NOT HOLD WATER!"
I can't repost something that was never posted in the first place. Besides as I have already mentioned there are two comments that have been published that are communications from Quixtar about what claims are allowed to be made and those communications say nothing about being allowed to make the kinds of claims that are in the videos. Perhaps you should try and use some logic next time before getting all worked up before you post.
I've been doing a lot of searching on the web after I heard about the Perfect
Water from Amway. I was one of those guys who really gave a friend of mine a hard time about his Quixtoid business. She told me about this Perfect Water, and invited to me take part in a demonstration. I broke my back in a car wreck 3 years ago and have not been able to touch my toes since then. I want to make an official apology to my friend, Diane Sanders, because I am personally one of those people who are completely sold on Perfect Water. I was able to nearly put the palms of my hands on the ground only 10 seconds after I drank 1 ounce of the water. I was more than skeptical beforehand, but I welcome all the skeptics to give it a chance. I've ordered 20 cases!!!!
It seems that Perfect Water also affects the abilities of IBOs to read and then offer cogent legal advice.
I’d put that one in the ‘approved claims’ column.
A couple of years ago I thought I was way out there predicting that the next great IBO product would be bottled air. Seems I wasn’t that far off…
Hey Dirty Shoes and Truth,
That sounds like a good name. The point is however you claim it is a Ziggy trick. Well I hope you can shut up until you try it out for yourself. Nothing worse than 99% of all these people talking or complaining who have not even tried it yet. Most of your complaints would come no matter what great new product we get. I am at least smart enough to not rain on someone’s parade without knowing the facts or trying something first. You and other like truth are against anything great IBO get access to. Fact is the business is getting better and has so many awesome improvements in just the last 2 years and more is coming. At what point are you going to stop being so pessimistic?
Johnny Ringo and Truth,
Awesome Ringo. I hope you do not delete Ringo's post. Truth you should actually start posting this blog in reverse order because you will start seeing more and more real and positive experiences that are not hoax sales deals instead of you few common Q/A negative junkies. Good stuff, Ringo! I am sure as this product really roles out your going to hear more and more positive real experiences. Thanks you Amway!
Jenny, I post here in hopes of saving someone else from the AmQuix nightmare that nearly destroyed my family. With excerpts such as the following:
YOU REMOVED THE QUIXTAR EMAIL ABOUT THIS ENTIRE ISSUE! THE EMAIL WAS ABOUT THE CLAIMS. YOUR POST IS SLANDEROUS AND A DICRACE TO THE ISSUE OF INTEGRITY. I HOPE PEOPLE SEE YOUR INTENT HERE. PEOPLE ARE NOT PROMOTING THINGS WRONGLY. ONLY YOU ARE WITH THIS NEGATIVE POSTED ADD. DON'T BE A PLAYER HATER JUST BECAUSE WE GOT A COOL NEW PRODUCT THAT ONLY HELPS THE IBO CAUSE! IF YOU’RE ABOUT TRUTH THEN REPOST THE EMAIL IN YOUR DESCIPTION BEFORE THE BLOGS. THEN THIS BLOG TOPIC WILL NOT HOLD WATER!
You make my presence here nearly superfluous.
Thank you.
I was skeptical at first...being a paraplegic and all... but after that first swig of "Perfect Water", I bolted right up and out of that wheelchair and signed up for ballroom dance lessons!!
Why are people here so against helping others????????
Sob!!
Porkchopjim,
Be careful what you say or wish for. LMAO!!!!!!
U.S. Navy and IBO
~Eric
Hey Truth,
If you are going to be thorough in your investigation, are you going to have to mention that all these "tests" on these videos (which were recorded sometime between March 1st and March 8th) were in written form on the www.drinkperfectwater.com website until March 27th.
The written instructions were taken down AND the videos were taken down on March 27th--19 days AFTER the newest videos were recorded.
The water HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED YET.
But for whatever reason you, and the likes of you, like Scott Larsen who chose to reupload (steal) these videos that he fished out of in Temp Internet files on his hard drive, are rehashing stuff for a PRODUCT THAT ISN'T EVEN YET ON THE MARKET.
What is your point?
Jenny,
So you like to just continue to write comments at me but apparently you have nothing to say to my responses to you? I find that quite interesting to say the least since you were bold enough at the start to make some allegations about me without a shred of evidence.
I am sure there will be many more stories like Ringo's story, there always are. Interestingly enough, people like you always seem to believe a good testimony without question, but always seem to question a not so good testimony.
The problem with revisionists like you, you have forgotten what the topic was about. This article was about the claims that IBOs were making and nothing more.
I never once said the water did not work, I never once said it was horrible or anything of the like. But perhaps I am wasting my time trying to explain this to you. You seem to be much more interested in telling your points to everyone else instead of listening to anyone.
Jane,
What is your point?
First off I am not doing an "investigation". I have made an observation about what I think are quite the extraordinary claims about a bottle of water.
Had I known those instructions were on the site I would have mentioned it. (and IBOs say the critics are the ones with all the conspiracy theories). Unfortunately for you those instructions are no longer there, and I guess I just missed them considering I wrote this article on March 27th.
Apparently this accusation stuff must be contagious. I would love to see your proof that I stole any videos, or even that I uploaded any videos to youtube. Is this Standard Procedure for IBOs now to just blindly make accusations against people with no proof.
I do find it interesting however that you claim the videos were taken down on March 27th and then apparently I re-uploaded some videos (an accusation you have made against me with no proof I might add) and that Scott Larsen joined in the fun as well. However, the videos that I have embedded on this article were uploaded on March 20th and March 24th respectively. Maybe you can explain how a video gets re-uploaded before it gets taken down since your dates don't match your story.
Or perhaps you will just wish to make more accusations with no proof, it seems to be the common theme for a couple of you on this thread.
I was a skeptic at first....then I put some perfect water in the DeLorean's Flux-Capacitor and ramped that baby up to 88!! Hello 1955!!
Had George drink some water and he promptly went out and beat up Biff Tannen and took over his casino!!
I pre-ordered 16,435 cases!! Take that negative people - everyone in my family will become super-duper humans! (though Mallory is a lost cause)
Sit Ubu sit. Good dog! (WOOF!)
Truth,
1)Go you your buddy's website, Scott Larsen. He's got the entire Perfect Water website on it BEFORE the edits in a shockwave file under "Due Diligence" under "New Pages".
If you need screen shots of the pages I'm talking about, I'll be happy to point you in another direction, but I figure you'd take your buddy Scott Larsen's word over mine. So go to his site first.
2) The videos that were stolen are not these "phyical" ones that you've embedded on your website. But you got this Shores video from YouTube (or whoever you got it from got it from YouTube), right?
Those videos were removed by IBOs, per Quixtar by the 27th. And then your buddy, Scott Larsen, "amwaywater" is his username on YouTube, re-uploaded them and changed the titles and the descriptions, to include words like "miracle" in order to bring false claims lawsuits against Amway.
What else can I shed some light on for you "Truth"?
If you were really about truth, you'd do a whole post on THAT, instead of having my comment buried 100 deep.
And, just to point out, ALL this was done--the removal of the instructions on the website and all the videos from YouTube BEFORE the water is even released.
But God forbid the critics should allow any PRE-LAUNCH “mistake” go unnoticed.
It's like my child saying, "Mommy, Johnny hit me!"
And me asking, "Well then what happened?"
"He said he was sorry."
Okay...what is your point, child?
Truth,
I just looked at the "menu" on your Shores video. And the URL takes you to a video uploaded by "amwaywater" at YouTube--Scott Larsen.
Isn't it interesting that Scott Larsen specifically talks on his website about this video you chose to embed?
He writes, "Over the Easter weekend however distributors got the call to remove all the videos. Some of the earlier David Shores videos were removed before the Easter weekend."
Looking at my notes, I see that Mr. Larsen explained on his website how he fished out the videos from his Temp Files and changed the ext. name and then re-uploaded them.
I see that it wasn't as late as the 27th. He re-uploaded 19 of them around 5 am (East Coast time) on March 21st. And then added 7 more soon after for a total of 26 stolen videos. As I write this, 4 are gone, so maybe there are some IBOs doing the "copyright infringment" process.
He has since edited some of them a bit, putting cute little titles on the front (not), and uploaded the "improved" versions about a week ago.
So you are right. I stand corrected. Most videos were taken down before the 24th, and the one you chose to embed is a re-upload of Scott Larsen’s “amwaywater” username at YouTube.
CK,
How did the company Quixtar nearly destroy your family? If you don't mind me asking.
Jenny
I appreciate your enthusiasm for your business opportunity, and I really appreciate your compliment to my handle. First of all you should understand that I appreciate completely where you are. For almost 15 years I helped my upline send their kids to school, buy fancy cars, make their books best sellers on the NY Times list. Which of course is why I chose the handle, because of all the uh, well, stuff I stepped in while in the business, and yes my wife and I were Rubies. I’ve seen the hype and yes I’ve seen “Ziggy” do his “trick” at one of those precious, upline promoted meetings, oh and the business was doing $7B/year then. So I think I have enough experience with the business to spot “hucksterism” within the business without filling a landfill with plastic (guess the United Nations will be revoking their environmental award), or growing gills to absorb oxygen from water.
If I’ve rained on your parade, I apologize. But I would hope that you too would “shut up” long enough to look at the facts. Notwithstanding the “Ziggy” (a most disrespectful term to use on a strong supporter of your business) “trick”, I think there is some very basic evidence as to the huckster, snake oil, aspect of the business. 1) Your supplier has told you to quit making the claims and doing the demonstrations; 2) Nobody on this blog has provided credible, duplicatable, scientific evidence of a double blind study, using scientific methods to back up your miracle claims; 3) - and I think this is the most damning - The only medical evidence that has been presented on this blog has been from some pharmacist named Michael, whose wife is a registered nurse. You stand among giants!
Jane,
You need three comments just to reply? You apparently have some issues that you need to understand have nothing to do with the article I wrote.
First of all I don't care where the videos came from, this article has nothing to do with the origins of these videos on youtube. I did nothing more then choose one random video showing the tip test and then Scott Larsen's video with his theory on how the test was rigged. I left it to the readers to make up their own mind.
Since you keep missing it I will tell you again this article has to do with the claims being made about this water.
It is apparent that you live in this fantasy land where you think that now since the claims are off the website there will be no more IBOs making the claims that were being done in the video. Well here in reality we know better. I have to point no further then your own comment to prove this where you wanted me to update because you claim you are allowed to say that the water helps balance, flexibility and strength, yet perfect water says they make no such claim themselves.
It seems by your comments you just aren't getting the attention you think you deserve. Well sorry, but this article has nothing to do with what you apparently want to rant about. But you are of course free to start your own blog anytime.
"Truth",
You know I'm right. You know I am so right, that you change the subject.
You critics are all the same...
You win. You've worn me down. Keep your little blog and your blogworld. If people think THIS is truth, if they think THIS is reality...
Please. Scott Larsen stalks people who disagree with them, and posts pictures of their children, posts pictures of their houses, and posts their addresses and telephone numbers on line.
THAT is the world you are a part of Drew. THAT is the kind of people you get your "facts" from?
You guys are seriously messed up.
Hi Jenny,
There is a new video on youtube for you guys!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnfE7CX7hTw
Truth should not be so forward as to indicate that no one here doubts that the 'miracle water' works.
Count me as now officially on record saying that your 'miracle water' demonstrations are bunk.
Count me as now officially on record saying that your 'miracle water' has no great properties or benefits above any other purified bottled water.
And I'm sorry that someone caught IBOs doing stupid things and we don't ignore it because they removed the files.
You'd have a hard time convincing me that these 'miracle demonstrations' aren't still going on when we have testimonial after testimonial here about how great this magic water is.
Truth,
I just re-read your "answer" to me.
You say:First of all I don't care where the videos came from (OBVIOUSLY--AND THAT'S THE POINT I AM MAKING)
I did nothing more then choose one random video showing the tip test and then Scott Larsen's video with his theory on how the test was rigged.(THE 'ONE RANDOM VIDEO' IS FROM SCOTT LARSEN, CRITIC EXTRAORDINAIRE OF THE AMWAY/QUIXTAR BUSINESS. HE IS 'AMWAYWATER' AT YOUTUBE.)
Since you keep missing it I will tell you again this article has to do with the claims being made about this water. (SINCE YOU KEEP MISSING IT, I WILL TELL YOU AGAIN, THE VIDEOS YOU ARE USING TO ARGUE ABOUT CLAIMS BEING MADE WERE ALL TAKEN DOWN BY IBOS--AN ENTIRE MONTH BEFORE THE WATER IS EVEN AVAILABLE--AND THEN RE-UPLOADED BY A CRITIC OF THE BUSINESS. AND NOW ANOTHER CRITIC,SOMEONE YOU KNOW VERY WELL,'WHOZWHO'.
Why is this so hard for you to understand? Because you don't want to understand, right?
So Jane you have gotten it down to only needing two comments to respond, but apparently you need to read my comment twice to even come close to getting a grasp on what I am saying. Which you have not done yet.
Jane, you are so worked up you can't even see clearly. Read my article again and show me exactly where I have endorsed Scott Larsen's video as "FACT"? Seriously, show me where.
I have embedded his video and another video to give anyone who reads this article a chance to see what goes on with the tip test, and then Larsen's theory on how it is rigged and let the reader decide for themselves. But I wait with eager anticipation for you to show me where I said it was "fact".
You come here wanting to revise everything so it meets your view of a critic. You want to make me out to be a bad guy who's unethical in hopes no one will listen. What you fail to realize is that I don't care if people listen or not. I have from the beginning encouraged everyone to not believe any one source and to do all their own research on this company and opportunity.
Sadly though you make yourself look foolish by spouting off things that are clearly not correct. So far you accused me of stealing videos which you have failed to show proof of. You have accused me of endorsing Larsen's video as being fact which you will not be able to show.
But just to throw some icing on the cake you have accused Larsen of posting pictures of people's kids and sadly you are not telling the whole story behind it. I know who you are talking about and the picture Larsen had up was linked to the site where that picture was posted by Insider already, where it was already publicly available. But again you are trying to revise things to the way you want them. Why do you feel the need to do that?
If all of this is over the point that I don't care where the videos came from then your point is taken and move on. What do you want me to say? I don't care that Larsen is "amwaywater" on youtube. The video is clearly a tip-test demonstration and that is what I was looking for. I wouldn't care if Barney Fife uploaded it, I would have still used it since it showed a tip-test.
Are you going to tell me that you believe since all the videos were taken down by IBOs that not one IBO will ever make a claim or do a tip-test when selling this water, or during an open meeting. Is there some sort of magical reaction by taking the videos down. Once again this post was never about videos on youtube, it was about this water and the claims that went along with it.
BTW, I have already pointed out that you said once before that you were allowed to say that the water helped with balance, flexibility, and strength yet the perfect water website disagrees with you and this was after the changed their site.
PCJ,
You are right I should not be so forward and so wherever I gave that indication I did not mean it that way. I for one will not comment on whether it works or not until I have tried it, but I do find the claims to be a bit out there.
Drew,
You say, "What you fail to realize is that I don't care if people listen or not."
That's a lie and you know it. Why else do you and all your cronies spend hours online posting? And when you are found to be WRONG in what you say, you start to personally attack and change the subject.
To CYA (cover your #$$) you say things like, "Blah, blah blah? An argument could be made either way and I won't comment on that question myself but again I will leave it up to you to make up your own mind."
That's like me saying, "Is your mother a whore? An argument could be made either way and I won't comment on that question myself but again I will leave it up to you to make up your own mind."
You are questioning if IBOs are making false claims. And you are using a video that was taken down, a video on which they were FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE PERFECTWATER WEBSITE (and I give you proof of that AFTER you say I'm poor little soul with no proof that it ever reallly did say that), a video re-uploaded by a critic, as proof of IBOs making false claims.
Who is making the false claims if the video you are using as proof that false claims are being made by IBOs, is not an IBO???
And the word "may" was inserted for the same reason that birth control pills say 99.9% effective--just in case it doesn't work for that 1 out of 1,000. They got to cover their a$$. Same reason why you've got your handy dandy "This site is protected by the First Amwndment of the U.S. Constitution and blah blah blah." at the bottom of this website.
And about pictures already uploaded. So are you saying, that if you found out who I am, and I've got pictures of my children already posted somewhere in Cyberspace, that gives you the right to post those pictures of my precious children on your website? You ARE kidding right?
And yes, I do believe IBOs will still use the Tip Test, ESPECIALLY since they are still able to see it over and over again because you guys refuse to take the videos off of YouTube. Hello!?
There were PLENTY of IBOs who didn't know anything about the Tip Test, but you sure are educating them, aren't you?
Tip Tests done open meetings? Probably not. Quixtar will probably pass a rule (if they haven't already) that that won't be allowed. And we all know of the spys who go to meetings to keep up all on our toes, don't we?
Fred,
Now that is a funny video...lol. Thanks for the motivation.
U.S. Navy and IBO
Hey Jane,
Before you go slamming what the critics do, take a good long view at Dateline NBC's story on "your" business.
If you don't want something on the internet, don't put it there. Accept responsibility for your own actions, even if your "leaders" don't.
Tip Tests? I think Amway was pretty clear.
Too bad you don't own your own business, then you could decide what you're going to do on your own.
Have a good time selling your water.
Jane,
Thought you were worn out? Did you down an XS to get your energy and decide to return?
I have seen some misguided people come here and write things before but you are up there with Tex now. Isn't that horse starting to smell yet?
If you don't want to believe what I tell you that will have to be your problem LOL. If you need to revise everything and make up your own stories about me and my motivation without even knowing me then again I guess that will be your problem. I think it is quite telling of your integrity though.
I'm not sure what exactly I am covering my ass from (as you put it). Also, we can add yet another thing you have falsely accused me of in that I did not add any disclaimer to this site since I do not own the site. I just write here I have nothing to with the layout or disclaimers. But don't let silly things like the facts stop you from accusing me of things, it hasn't stopped you so far.
While you are searching for where I endorsed Larsen's video as fact please find for me where I stated that IBOs were making false claims and that the video I posted was proof of that. My guess is you are going to have just as much trouble finding that as well.
So are you saying that if I contact perfect water they will endorse a claim that 99.9% of people who drink perfect water will experience more strength, balance, and flexibility. If not that comparison is bunk.
I'm not going to argue about the legality of uploading pictures. Sadly you tried to play historical revisionist and did not tell the whole story. But if you post a picture on the internet on a public page for all the world to see it's pretty stupid to get pissed off when someone uses it. In the context of Insider it's even more stupid considering he posted personal things about someone before that incident and used the "publicly available" argument as his defense in doing so. You can't have it both ways. As for what you were doing my point was simply that you were not telling the whole story. Pointing to your habit of revising what people say or do instead of telling it straight.
LOL, my you are a paranoid one aren't you? Spys at meetings eh? Yes, you are right we have a whole network of them spread throughout the world. They go through a very intense 6 month boot camp to learn how to infiltrate meetings. LOL!!!!
ROFLMBO!!!! Oh this just keeps getting better. So now you are blaming me for tip tests being done? WOW! I guess it is true that IBOs will blame anyone.
So for the record since you for some reason continue to ignore these parts of my comments I am still waiting for your proof that I stole any videos, that I endorsed Larsen's video as fact, that I said the video was to prove false claims were being made about the water, and just for kicks since you said an argument could be made either way I would love to hear the argument for my mother being a whore, which was very classy of you by the way.
My guess is however that you won't address any of that because you simply cannot. You let your emotions get you so much out of control you can't even rationally think.
Truth,
I wonder what you would get if you mixed a bottle of the balanced water, with 2 shots of gin? A well balanced drunk?
Jane,
You said to Truth: Why else do you and all your cronies spend hours online posting?
Well, I am not a cronie, I don't know Drew. I rarely post here. However, you have "tipped" right over the edge. Actually, I think you took a running start and jumped over the edge.
But to answer your question, it is because we (I) believe the overall methods generally used within the business, particularly within the AMO's is bad and not profitable. Those of us who were in and woke up one day and said enough is enough connect to undo what was done through the spin of it all.
Why do Mother's Against Drunk Driving keep complaining about drunk driving?
Because while people are still making BAD decisions, MADD will point it out.
By the way, the "whore" analogy was just rude and I think you owe him an apology.
Ed
Rocket,
That's the best you can do?
The Dateline show? How many years ago was that?
Ah, yeah, that's was REAL journalism at its finest, wasn't it?
And it represented the ENTIRE world, every LOA, of Quixtar, didn't it?
And the main interviewee to say how evil the "business" is was Bo Short, Mr. Character himself.
LOL.
Thought you were worn out? Did you down an XS to get your energy and decide to return?
"Actually, I prefer Rhodiola 110. Wonderful product. The book Rhodiola Revolution is a must-read for those looking for...ooh, don't want to make any false claims. Just read the front cover of the book." :)
I have seen some misguided people come here and write things before but you are up there with Tex now. Isn't that horse starting to smell yet?
"Huh? Personal attacks again? You are SO creative." :)
If you don't want to believe what I tell you that will have to be your problem LOL. If you need to revise everything and make up your own stories about me and my motivation without even knowing me then again I guess that will be your problem. I think it is quite telling of your integrity though.
"Avoiding my point again? Shocking!" :)
I'm not sure what exactly I am covering my ass from (as you put it). Also, we can add yet another thing you have falsely accused me of in that I did not add any disclaimer to this site since I do not own the site. I just write here I have nothing to with the layout or disclaimers. But don't let silly things like the facts stop you from accusing me of things, it hasn't stopped you so far.
"Nitpicking. Yes, that's a viable tactic to distract." :)
While you are searching for where I endorsed Larsen's video as fact please find for me where I stated that IBOs were making false claims and that the video I posted was proof of that. My guess is you are going to have just as much trouble finding that as well.
"Riiight. You're so good at playing the innocent. How cute. Do you have to blatently say it or can you imply it? There you go again, nitpicker." :)
So are you saying that if I contact perfect water they will endorse a claim that 99.9% of people who drink perfect water will experience more strength, balance, and flexibility. If not that comparison is bunk.
"Nitpicking again. Must it be exactly 99.9%? Don't know. You are intentionally becoming quite literal rather than owning up to your ways." :)
I'm not going to argue about the legality of uploading pictures.
"Did I ask you to? Is all you think about is what's legal rather than what's moral? Interesting..." :)
Sadly you tried to play historical revisionist and did not tell the whole story. But if you post a picture on the internet on a public page for all the world to see it's pretty stupid to get pissed off when someone uses it.
"So you ARE saying that if you find out who I am that you have every right to post pictures of my children on your website. Wow. You are creepier than I thought." :)
In the context of Insider it's even more stupid considering he posted personal things about someone before that incident and used the "publicly available" argument as his defense in doing so. You can't have it both ways. As for what you were doing my point was simply that you were not telling the whole story. Pointing to your habit of revising what people say or do instead of telling it straight.
"So Insider posts Steve's name and email address, which Steve himself already posted here at Qblog, and that gives Scott Larsen (someone totally different person, right) the right to post Insider's personal information? Hmmm, don't really see that logic. Oh, maybe it isn't logical. That's right. Forgot who I was talking to for a second there." :)
LOL, my you are a paranoid one aren't you? Spys at meetings eh? Yes, you are right we have a whole network of them spread throughout the world. They go through a very intense 6 month boot camp to learn how to infiltrate meetings. LOL!!!!
"Not you, sweetheart. Don't flatter yourself. I know you guys are only made up of eyes and fingers for blogging. You're not real." :)
ROFLMBO!!!! Oh this just keeps getting better. So now you are blaming me for tip tests being done? WOW! I guess it is true that IBOs will blame anyone.
"Blame? You are sooooo dramatic, aren't you?" :)
So for the record since you for some reason continue to ignore these parts of my comments I am still waiting for your proof that I stole any videos, that I endorsed Larsen's video as fact, that I said the video was to prove false claims were being made about the water, and just for kicks since you said an argument could be made either way I would love to hear the argument for my mother being a whore, which was very classy of you by the way.
"Reread my posts. It's all in what I've already written, and you know it." :)
My guess is however that you won't address any of that because you simply cannot. You let your emotions get you so much out of control you can't even rationally think.
"Oh yes, we women, sooo emotional. I've been quite logical and quite methodical. You Drew, are the one who has decided to turn on the drama in order to avoid the facts and the truth." :)
This concludes our moment of honesty. We now return you to our regular broadcast of ubsurd, meaningless, and time-wasting jibberish.
Eric asks: CK,
How did the company Quixtar nearly destroy your family? If you don't mind me asking.
CK answers: Portions of the story are posted on the forum under member introductions. Husband was told to dump his wife and four kids because I wasn't drinking the kool-aid, was told there was no profit in tools (but you better keep buying them), group-enforced sleep deprivation, literally a week at a time that DH didnt see myslef or our children, credit card advances on the sly to support the tools, ultimately threats, separation and bankruptcy.
I realize that mind control tactics used against my husband were perpetrated by AQMOs, not the corp, but it all happens with the silent blessing of the corporation because these techniques deliver, on a silver platter, a captive marketplace for the corp's product.
Alticor is a corporate pimp, the AQMO/IBO the whore. When the whore does what whores do, this corporate pimp shrugs it's shoulder's and feigns shock.
And keeps processing those orders.
Welcome back Insider! Errrr.... "Jane".
Nice to have you posting again.
"Huh? Personal attacks again?"
Personal attacks? This claim from the person who said there could be an argument made that my mother is a whore? FYI, I am not the one with people making comments that I should apologize.
"Avoiding my point again? Shocking!"
Exactly what point did I avoid, if you can actually point it out I will be more then happy to apologize and address the point at once. So by all means point it out to me.
"So you ARE saying that if you find out who I am that you have every right to post pictures of my children on your website. Wow. You are creepier than I thought."
Well that is a loaded question since having the right to do something and actually doing it are two different things. So let me put it to you this way: If I was to post pictures of myself and my kids on a publicly available website where anyone in the world could see them, It would be pretty stupid of me to start complaining if someone was to download those pictures and put them on another site.
It's like leaving your possessions in the front yard overnight and then complaining because they were stolen. It's not right that someone stole your possessions, but you were pretty stupid for leaving them out there if you didn't want them to get stolen.
"So Insider posts Steve's name and email address, which Steve himself already posted here at Qblog, and that gives Scott Larsen (someone totally different person, right) the right to post Insider's personal information? Hmmm, don't really see that logic. Oh, maybe it isn't logical. That's right. Forgot who I was talking to for a second there"
Once again it doesn't give someone a right, but it makes Insider look friggin stupid for whining about it. Also, you have again decided to play revisionist history and you have not told the whole story. Insider posted much, much more then an e-mail address and a name.
But to use your logic just because his address was publicly available on Qblog does that mean he has the right to post it on his site? You say no one has the right to use a publicly available picture on their site, but then you excuse Insider for doing the very same thing with an e-mail address. Double standard me thinks!
"Reread my posts. It's all in what I've already written, and you know it."
Nope I don't know it, I must be blind or stupid I will let you pick. But since I am so blind and stupid I will post them one by one so you can cut and paste your proof for all to see:
1. Your proof that I stole videos and uploaded them to youtube:
2. My statement where I endorsed Larsen's video as fact:
3. My statement where I said that the video I posted was to prove that IBOs were making false claims about the water:
I will stick with just those three, since I am betting you will only dance around them yet again. But maybe you will surprise me.
I am a fairly new IBO and saw the tip test done on people that had never met any of us before. It's not JUST water (I would do some research before making a statement like that) it's oxygenated using molecular bonding. If the body has more oxygen it can perform better, simple as that. I saw teh people who took the test blown away, as I was. The results are immediate. I also saw a personal trainer who had been working out for 15 years increase his curl weight to one he'd never been able to do before and do an extra rep with that over his old max out weight. I was skeptical at first, but I'm a believer now! Say what you want, it's trying it and seeing it in action that is the proof. And none of us have been 'trained' how to do the test. It's simple, have someone bend over as far as they can toward their toes, take an ounce of the water and most people can bend 4 inches farther. We even had a passerby come into the room wondering what we were doing. She did the test too (didn't know any of us there) and she was amazed to. Once someone drinks it, they can't help being amazed.
Amway is a wonderful corporation. I love being in the business. It's the unethical people that have gotten in in the past that gave any negativity to the reputation. They don't tolerate unethical behaviour and will get rid of anyone not following the rules, but unfortunately there are just people out there who don't follow them, and then people think all of us are like that, or that it's the corporation. Believe me they do all they can to help anyone who wants to succeed.
"I wonder what you would get if you mixed a bottle of the balanced water, with 2 shots of gin? A well balanced drunk?"
LOL, nice!!
Balony Police,
Right. There can only be one person in the entire world of Quixtar/Amway can string together a few logical sentences.
Whatever.
Ed,
You can be critical without being a critic. There is a HUUUUGE difference.
If you are critical you are not one of the cronies. If you are a crtic, someone being critical for the sake of being critical, without any real intention for real change, just a desire to vent on a keyboard and treat people online as characters in their little playworld,then you are one of the cronies to which I refer.
It has to do with the question: "What is your motive in doing what you do?"
And if you think I owe Drew an apology, then perhaps you read my last comment without reading the entire exchange going back and forth between us?
Drew's tone got increasingly nasty and he started to attack the person rather than the ideas I was presenting, quite fast actually.
The VERY quick escalation that occurred illustrates that Drew was not attacking me. That it wasn't personal. If ANYONE shares a different point of view then Amway sucks and everything associated with it--products, IBOs, employees, etc.-- also sucks, then Drew and his cronies use bullying tactics to discredit the person and/or run them off this site.
I thought Drew would be more subtle than he was but, he wasn't. So his motive have been exposed quite rapidly.
That's all she wrote.
Have a great day! :)
AnonIBO,
Good one! LMAO!!!! Really good one!
U.S. Navy and IBO
~Drunken Well Balanced Sailor!!!!
Jane’s not insider. On insider’s planet – the tools work, but not even the hokey ‘tip test’ holds water (magic or otherwise).
"Drew's tone got increasingly nasty and he started to attack the person rather than the ideas I was presenting, quite fast actually"
Really? From the thread I see that I didn't even respond to your first two comments, and the comment that I first responded too was asking me to update my article with information that was untrue. I then responded why I would not update it and then you accuse me of stealing videos and away we go.
"I thought Drew would be more subtle than he was but, he wasn't. So his motive have been exposed quite rapidly."
Translation: He didn't agree with my points so I was forced to make nasty references to his family. Just for the record Jane what is the motive that has been exposed?
Jane,
I've quite enjoyed reading your comments. Definately brought some energy to the old blog here.
Well, back to crony club.
I wonder how Quixtar is spinning the whole "changing our name back to Amway" thing?
I remember when I was in the business and everyone absolutely hated and abhored the Amway name. We never brought it up. I wonder what type of spin their putting on it now to get the IBO's to accept it. Probably promises of new bonuses that will never occur.
The fact they are selling this water for more than a can of XS is sickening. How far can a company go to rip people off. Rediculous. No wonder the business has a IBO turnover rate of almost 100% every 2 years.
Jane, I've read your arguments over the and I too have yet to understand what the point of your argument is. So far, all I've seen from you is avoiding direct questions posed to you by responding with questions and arguing points that are irrelevant to the topic at hand. Your actions remind me of those my upline used to take when they'd encounter a very skeptical person at a board plan - it did nothing to endear the person to the business nor answer the question posed.
From what I've read, Truth was never nasty to you, Jane. He merely asked for you to point out where exactly he made the statements that you claim he's made. Nothing less, nothing more. You, however, have refused to answer his questions and made an insulting analogy with regard to his mother.
Now, moving on to the real issue here.
Quite frankly, there was a major oversight on the part of Perfect Water & Essentials LLC (the company that produces Pefect Water), Alticor, and WWDB. First, Perfect Water posted claims on their website about the potential benefits of their water without proof to back it up. Second, Alticor allowed those claims to stay up for as long as they did before asking for their removal, knowing full well that advance orders of the product were likely placed based on the claims. It doesn't matter that the claims have been removed from the Perfect Water website and the YouTube videos taken down, even before the product is officially on sale - the fact remains that product was sold to customers/distributors based on those claims.
Which leaves us with WWDB - they've embarrassed themselves badly. First, of the 18 members of the IBOAI board of directors, 4 are affiliated with WWDB and one those four is the current IBOAI Chairman. Second, 2 members of Founders Council, which to remind everyone represents the top 7 businesses in North America, are affiliated with WWDB. Third, WWDB is currently working towards becoming an accredited line of affiliation. Given all of that, I find it hard to believe that the WWDB management team was completely in the dark as to the validity of the product claims, yet they still went ahead with their demonstrated "tip tests" and posted them on a public website for all to see. Only after Alticor came to their senses did WWDB do anything to stop the spread of this information - shows me how ethical they really are.
I know things like this can be unbelievable untill you see it yourseld of try it. Well i have been to a few meeting in Palmdale with Quixstar. This water really works. Dont ask me how but it does. Ive been tested on it myself with the tip test. Ive seen them test it on people with all kinds of problems which gave them a little more strenght with just a little ounce full.. like i said i know its hard to believe but its true and well worth the money. It has to be preordered only certain people can get to it at this time.
If this perfect water helped the athletic trainer of 15 years increase his physical strength, think it might help me reach those high notes I used to be able to sing when I was younger? Maybe it would increase the flexibility of my vocal chords.
Just strolling through and I saw I came up in the conversation, as usual with some critics making stuff up about me.
1. I did not post Steve/JoeCool's name. I know it and have known it for a long time, I've never posted it.
2. His email address was on every post (thousands) on QuixtarBlog. It was public, and public *in the context of this business*.
3. I made no mention of all his other adventures and inclinations until after HE raised the topic on HIS Quixtar blog, AND LIED ABOUT IT.
Larsen posted my photo, my address (albeit an old one used for business), telephone number, business dealings etc etc. I've much of that information about Larsen too. Never posted it.
Remember - Steve AKA JoeCool raised the issue on his site *and lied about it*. I had not posted any of the information I'd been given until after that. If he didn't want the topic talked about, he shouldn't have raised it.
As for the perfect water, Exwwdbibo comments are right on the money. Amway and WWDB have severly screwed up on this one.
For you IBOs (and I am one) - do what I did - do the tip test, the stretch tests etc with some people, but use normal water and tell them it's perfect water.
I did this with a number of folk and got the exact same results as the "perfect water". It's called warming up, stretching, and that most powerful of drugs, placebo.
I've been ill for some weeks so haven't really had the energy to post about it on my site, but I will sometime soon. I'm in 100% agreement with Larsen and Truth on this one.
Just to make it clear, I never said the water increased the trainer's strength, merely his endurance. If you have more oxygen in your blood and you don't have to wait for it to be circulated, of course you will be able to do more reps/weight. It's simple physiology.
"So Insider posts Steve's name and email address, which Steve himself already posted here at Qblog, and that gives Scott Larsen (someone totally different person, right) the right to post Insider's personal information? Hmmm, don't really see that logic. Oh, maybe it isn't logical. That's right. Forgot who I was talking to for a second there"
Joe says: Insider is a slime. A lot of what he posted abut me was not publicly available. He used google analytics to trace my web actvity after I was on his site.
I also have new proof that he is a troublemaker which I may or may not post on my blog soon.
JRandall,
PLEASE get your facts straight. A can of XS (8oz.) goes for approx. $2.20 at IBO cost (U.S. dollars). Same situation, a 16 oz. bottle of Perfect Empowered Water goes for $1.70.
Hardly comparable.
Also, XS is an Energy drink loaded with B vitamins and adaptogenic herbs. The price compares with an 8oz. can of Red Bull, loaded with 1/8 cup of sugar & preservatives. Yum!
It's fine if you don't like the products or the business....just get your facts straight before posting and misleading people.
Thanks.
Buy the water for yourself and draw your own conclusion, I have had an opportunity to try the water and do the tests for myself, and the videos are great, but what is better then watching the videos is doing and seeing what the videos are demonstrating. That is why you are a critic, because you are not understanding what is going on.
Anyone want to know how powerful oxygen is to the body?
I recently met a trainer for the Green Bay Packers, and we were talking about this "perfect water" that Amway is coming out with. And as we were discussing the idea of Molecular Bonded Oxygen, he told me how powerful this really is. He says when the Packers are done with a game on Sunday, a majority of the players can't function for the next few days, being sore and what not. As a trainer, what he does for his players is he makes them sit in a "ice bath", a bathtub full of ice. What this does is causes your body to think you are going into HYPOTHERMIA, which tells all the blood in your body to leave your extremities and head for the center of your body to keep your core of your body functioning. While your blood is at the center of your body it becomes really rich with oxygen. The trainer then told me after the ice bath we immediately place the player into a "hot bath". What the hot bath does is obviously causes your body to warm up, but here is the punch line, it causes all the rich oxygenated blood to rush back to your extremities, giving your body a huge rush of oxygen. What does rich oxygen do for the body, it revitalizes the body quicker.
The water is rich with Molecular Bonded Oxygen. Similar concept, that is why the results are phenomenal.
Second thing, talk to a fighter pilot in the Air Force. And ask them why they have air masks? This is what I have been told when asking a friend in the Air Force. He says the mask are there in case you get light headed from being up in the altitudes. He said those masks are not constantly feeding into the masks. There is a button that you push and the mask shoots a huge amount of oxygen into your mask. The oxygen acts just like the reason you yawn. To supply a large amount of air to the brain. The first thing he said goes when flying around is your vision, and a shot of oxygen helps revitalize you quicker!
I listen to the WWDB diamonds on the videos. David Shores spoke of being showing the in Hawaii. It would be interesting to know if they did the Tip Test at Diamond club.....a company event.
So, what happens in a few months when the fad and hoopla of super water dies down and Amway comes out with their next "greatest product ever"?
Also, fighter pilots' greatest cause of blacking out is g-forces, hence why they wear pressure suits that inflate to push blood to the head when they are in high-g manuevers, plus they are trained in controlled breathing and muscle contraction in dealing with high-g's.
Having the oxygen supply (and getting that burst) definately helps in recovering from the manuevers. But, if a pilot is getting light headed just from flying at high altitude in a pressurized aircraft, they won't be a fighter pilot long (unless the Air Force has gone back to open-cockpit fighters)
My sister is asthmatic - when she uses her rescue inhaler, the Albuterol go to her lungs. She doesn't drink Albuterol to get relief. And, the relief isn't instant, it takes a few seconds for the medicine to start working.
The cold/hot baths and the pilot getting a "hit" of pure oxygen examples really don't corralate to drinking super water.
So, just how does drinking "oxygen" give one instant results??
Dear Moderator,
I sent you two posts. They were basically the same thing twice. You have posted other peoples stuff and not mine. If you don't want to post my comments that is fine and I'll go somewhere else to blog. Just let me know what the deal is and if you don't want me posting here, I won't come back.
IBO Forever
I'm serious I simply don't understand how a reasonable individual can believe that 1 ounce of water ca
I just got a"KATE" that sales of Perfect Water are through the roof. I guess my ESpring was a waste of $500. We were told THAT was perfect water. Well I won't be purchasing Perfect Water or a new cartridge for the ESpring. Drinking straight from the tap. I feel like a rebel(lol.) Small things like that feel great after years of being an IBO. Now I really have freedom.
Posted by: IBO? | March 27, 2008 9:43 PM