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February 28, 2008
Typical Prospecting Story
I found an interesting post on a forum where an individual talks about getting prospected at a car show by an IBO. Sadly the way he describes the story happens more often then it should and is the primary reason IBOs have a bad stereotype attached to them.
Recently I was at the Philly Auto Show admiring the new Challenger and a guy started talking to me about how what I do and where i'm from yada yada yada. Anyway he tells me he has a business and he is looking to do business down my way with Circut City and Best Buys and also is promoting a new energy drink. So I left him my number and he gave me a business card and said next time he was in my area we should meet about me helping him with his business in my area. About a week later he gets up with me and wants to meet, he's about 2.5 hours away and I set a meeting up with him and he told me a little bit about his company and how it advertises and markets new products. So when he finally comes down to meet he talking to me about it and then shows me these "motivational" DVD about making 50k in your spare time. Turns out he is an IBO and works for Quixtar. So the information seems all good and nice and he said I can make about 50k by putting in about 8-10 hours a week. So he wants me to meet him 2.5 hours away where he is from for this meeting to learn even more about the business and leaves me with some info and some samples. Well I have never heard of Quixtar and after reading the info he gave me, the fine print, and online research it seems very schemish. Its a borderline pyramid scheme. and its looks like 1 out of every 2,800 people even make 30k with it. The average income for these people are $118 a month. I found some pretty good information on it www.amquix.info and called the guy back and told him I am out of it. Well he gets all offensive and makes it to seem that everyone who says anything bad about Quixtar is bone headed. Well he accused me of being dishonest because I "made" him drive 2.5 hours one way only to not be interested, but I told him that until you actually met me you never said a word about Quixtar and made it seem like it was your business. He didn't have anything to say. Anyway long story short I am glad I got out of this before I put too much money in.
Let's take a look at some of the deception and straight BS in this.
1. Anyway he tells me he has a business and he is looking to do business down my way with Circut City and Best Buys
Flat out lie, the IBO is not looking to do any business with the Circuit City's or Best Buy's. The business has already been done by Quixtar and it is called a Partner Store agreement. Is Best Buy even a Partner Store? Now I know some supporter could come here and spin that statement 9 ways to Sunday, but the bottom line is this IBO was not telling this prospect the way things were.
2. So the information seems all good and nice and he said I can make about 50k by putting in about 8-10 hours a week.
Can anyone show me just one person who makes 50K and all they put in no more then 8-10 hours since they started? If you can show me someone who claims that, I will show you a liar.
3. Well he accused me of being dishonest because I "made" him drive 2.5 hours one way only to not be interested, but I told him that until you actually met me you never said a word about Quixtar and made it seem like it was your business.
Of course in the end the IBO blames the prospect for "making" him drive to see him only to not be interested. I guess it never crosses the IBOs mind that if he had been upfront and honest from the start about this being Quixtar, and the money he was talking about was going to take much more then 8-10 hours he would have saved himself the trouble of trying to sell this opportunity to someone who wouldn't be interested.
Many IBOs make claims that it is because of the "critics" that their business has a bad name. However it is this kind of practice that has indeed been the cause of the bad name. Being deceptive and not being upfront about what is going on only leads to people getting upset. No one likes to feel deceived or lied to. In the end it is not how you feel you can spin what your business is all about, it is how others are going to perceive you. Every other business takes great care in maintaining the best image possible. Perhaps IBOs should learn this aspect of business as well.
And yet, even if Amway knew about this particular incident, and who it was, what would happen?
Even if something did happen, nobody would know about it.
This is precisely why Amway and Amway IBO's continue to be ridiculed.
Ha! I dated a woman for over 4 years. I heard her deliver this same exact speech over and over and over again. She has been in for over a decade, told hundreds (if not thousands) of people that she is in a business where they can make $50,000 their first year. Here is the most outrageous and funny part - and this is honest absolute truth. After over a decade in Amway/Quixtar, she has never made a profit. Never! And she broke up with me because I didn't support her WWDB dream!! Here is a beautiful and wonderful woman who has sold her mind to the A/Q company and the WWDB liars.
Deceitfulness seems common place amongst those showing the plan. With the game plan of hiding the name of the company until they are in your home or you are in their home, is the first of many deceptions, not to mention the exagerated income claims.
What with today's cost of gasoline, the expense of showing the plan must really be stretching the expense budget. Then, to accused a prospect of deceit after a turn down is plain wrong. It's not hard to understand why Quixtar - Amway people are so loathed. And even the nicest of the lot, must put up with the stinky tactics of the others. It may be wrong to paint the whole lot of them with the same brush, but that is the way of business. It's been my experience that people who succeed in any business produce happy customers. I don't see anything of that sort happening with Amway or their over saturated distributor force.
Yikes. The AMOs still haven't changed their game plan? They are shooting themselves in the foot. They have been deceptive for so long that changing may be impossible for them. When their resources start to dwindle, perhaps they will see? Doubt it.
Couldn't help but laugh at this story, not because it's funny, but because it's sad.
The fact that most IBO's recruit this way, just goes to show how shady, and dishonest the people involved with Quixtar/Amway are.
They all speak about how fantastic Amway/Quixtar is, but yet, none of them EVER mention it upfront. They all say something to the effect of "I own my own business and I'm looking to expand" etc etc.
The sad thing about this is, is that, for the most part, it's not the IBO's fault. After all, they just do what they're taught to do. This is why Amway/Quixtar has such a terrible reputation because the dishonesty, and deceit starts at the top and trickles it's way through the pyramid like a disease destroying every moral fabric.
The last statement in the above story -
"Every other business takes great care in maintaining the best image possible. Perhaps IBOs should learn this aspect of business as well."
This is very true, but unfortunately 99% of IBO's don't have any idea about the first aspect of being a, true, business owner.
Driving 2.5 hours to STP was optional wasn't it?
Just to start. I'm a Quixtar I.B.O. My approach is kind of different. To be honest.. Just Circuit City is a partner. Best Buy? That's kind of funny. Best Buy would make a nice partner. My approach is just "Are you looking to make or save some extra money?" that's it. I give them my card and get their number. I do the presentation and the person can see where they can make money or save money. I tell them what I make. My January 2008 check from Quixtar was $2343.75 in total (That's my I.B.O. and Customer check together) I'm just a normal I.B.O. There are levels like Platinum, Emerald, Diamond. But I'm just normal. I make a lot of my money from Customers. If the person I'm sharing the compensation plan with says "Yes or No" I share with them where they can save money just as a "Prosumer" and that's it. I invite them to a meeting and if they want to come it's their choice. I ask them to come to see if they like it and if they feel different that's okay. I will update them on the business throught email. I just like to take it easy and simple. Some of the I.B.O's that I know kind of "force" people to come. And you're right that's definitely WRONG. If you have any questions just post it in this blog and I will do my best to answer them. I've only been in this business for 9 months.
I invite you to visit my website: http://quixtarisacultintervention.blogspot.com
STP is STD (Selling The Dream) and also a Socially Transmitted Disease. I don't believe this is the Biz father's Devos and Van Andel visualized many years ago. The patients have taken over the asylum.
Ke wrote; "My January 2008 check from Quixtar was $2343.75 in total "....But I'm just normal.....
Sorry you are not normal, you are way above the mean. The average IBO earns $115/month acording to the Quixtar data.
8 to 10 hours a week...that's actually true. You can make 50K a year on 8 to 10 hours a week in Quixtar.
8 to 10 hours a week of sleep.
Ke wrote; "My January 2008 check from Quixtar was $2343.75 in total "....But I'm just normal.....
Sorry you are not normal, you are way above the mean. The average IBO earns $115/month acording to the Quixtar data.
Posted by: Scott | February 29, 2008 10:59 PM
Did you know that the $118/month figure is based on those who signed up and MAYBE attended ONE meeting. OR MAYBE bought ONE product or MAYBE EVEN ATTEMPTED TO SELL A PRODUCT. That's not the "normal" IBO. That's the "normal" person who signs up but does absolutely nothing with the opportunity given them. The corporation has to bunch them all in together to come up with an average. Unfortunately, they also have to have the title of IBO because they signed up as one. They however, didn't earn that title or act like an IBO. "Normal" IBO's either are regular prosumers and/or are working to make extra money on the side.
Your response to ke was interesting....it didn't make any sense and didn't respond to what he/she wrote but it was interesting nontheless.....
Just curious, what was your point?
Anon states "Hey Scott,
Did you know that the $118/month figure is based on those who signed up and MAYBE attended ONE meeting. OR MAYBE bought ONE product or MAYBE EVEN ATTEMPTED TO SELL A PRODUCT. "
I am guessing here, but the word used is average..it has nothing to do with attending meeting or buying products..just an average..and I am again guessing..but I think it has to do with how much "money" they make..I mean come on....if it said the average number that attends meetings, or buys/sells products..well I am with ya man..
You're right Anon maybe some of IBO's did only attend one meeting, or sell one product but since that $118/month only includes ACTIVE IBO's, the average number would drop to about $77 a month if you included the 1/3 of IBO's who are inactive.
Why is that? Because of this prospecting story. Most prospects are lied to, made false promises to, and by the time they realize what happened to them, they've already signed up.
We'll certainly allow you to represent the 'normal' IBO, in whichever manner you see fit.
Who was it again that said IBOs have a bad stereotype associated with them? Oh, yeah. It's right at the top.
you know what is the interesting part of reading forums on the internet about amway etc, is the fact that there are not really IBO's replying on to people that think they know something about network marketing
In fact, leave them alone... there need to be people working in the industrial part of life even sitting in his/her office the whole day, cause that type of person is the person who produce us our coke, our pepsi, our cars, our clothing.... and we need Doctors, lawyers and police officers we need them to stay at their jobs, so that people like me and you (IBO's) can sit back, relax and enjoy life on their efforts!
Really no offence on those of you that don't understand the business or said 'no' for the business... its great! Like I said, we NEED you.
Plat, quite an egotistical approach from you. Are you saying that IBO's are better than doctor's lawyers, teachers etc?
You are right, we do need these people, what we don't need are more underhanded, lying manipulative people trying to sucker, unsuspecting, people into a "business" "opportunity" that is anything but.
You said - "is the fact that there are not really IBO's replying on to people that think they know something about network marketing"
Now I really didn't understand that completely but it sounds like you're saying people outside of MLM's don't understand "Network Marketing". Well then, why don't you explain it to us?
I'll give you my take on it. Since only 3.4% of Quixtar sales are to, actual, reatil customers, it sounds like someone involved in "Network Marketing" consumes more than 96% of their own inventory, while selling only a little more than 3% to retail customers. So, in order to make any money, what so ever, they need to recruit other people to do the same thing in order to help them increase volume.
Right, the average income is very misleading.
Look carefull at the 6-4-2 or 9-4-2 plans that are shown. The majority of IBOs on the bottom of th pyramid actually make more like $8 a month.
The next layer of IBOs on the pyramid make something like $36 and so on.
The $115 average is pulled by by the big pins.
That's OK Plat... no offence taken.
Guess I'm just ignorant since I can't understand how just showing up at a function makes one "successful" - or - running a bidnez at a loss month after month, year after year, makes one a "winner".
If fact, while I was soaking up the Carolina sun at the Clemson baseball game, I realized that going to the ballgame was much more fun than stalking people at the mall and I couldn't understand why someone would spend their time chasing anyone who could fog a mirror...
You're right, I don't "understand" the bidnez and I'm sure ignorant......all the way to the bank!
Don't worry, your Diamond NEEDS YOU to hyperconsume overpriced, uncompetitive products (y'all certainly not selling them!) so they can enjoy their lavish lifestyle....on YOUR EFFORTS!
The Ama-world need suckers, too!
No offense, though.
Plat writes: "there need to be people working in the industrial part of life even sitting in his/her office the whole day, cause that type of person is the person who produce us our coke, our pepsi, our cars, our clothing.... and we need Doctors, lawyers and police officers we need them to stay at their jobs, so that people like me and you (IBO's) can sit back, relax and enjoy life on their efforts! "
CK asks: Plat, since you are able to "sit back, relax, and enjoy life" due to your being an IBO, perhaps you'd care to enlighten us?
It being tax-filing season, here's an easy question for you, one that could lend quite a bit of credibility to your otherwise incredible allusion: What was your net profit on your Sch C, Form 1040, 2007? And it's corollaries, of course: How many hours did you work to achieve this success? What were your expenses? Did any of your downline (see, I'm givng you credit for having one) show a profit?
The readership anxiously awaits your honest response, even if your response is not to respond at all.
I'll go out on a limb and suggest that a) there will be no response, b) the response will include a disclaimer (such as "I am just getting started"), or c) the response will be "I'd tell you, but (fill in the blank)".
But maybe you'll be different.
I tend to disagree with the reason for calling this prospecting story as "typically sad and deceptive".
After having read the story, I see nothing deceptive about it however, I do see something sad but for another reason.
What's sad is that the prospected individual has relied on "internet Google research" for his "credible information".
Google searches are not a 100% reliable way of getting the facts. www.amquix.info is far from being a reliable source. It seems that the individual who runs that source has been in trouble with the law for making false statements about Quixtar. That's something the prospected individual didn't know about and didn't even suspect as being a possibility. So, there you have it. Why didn't the prospect check it out with BBB? I don't know but I suspect laziness to be a key factor. If we talk business we should think of BBB = Better Business Bureau and check it out with them. I guess that's too hard to do for some hardcore lazy people. And then they blame their laziness on someone else for wondrous reasons. That is sad AND deceptive.
The fact that you say you found nothing deceptive with that story says all we need to know about you. Not only was that IBO being deceptive, but in some cases they flat-out lied.
Your failure to see that only shows just how misguided some of you IBOs really are.
You know that the BBB does not "endorse" companies, right?
Neither does the FTC or Dunn & Bradstreet, nor does being a "debt-free company" mean anything in the business world.
Maybe bring something substantial to the table instead of parroting your Diamond's throwaway lines?
Now THAT'S lazy!
P.S. - we a;ready know Tide is 85% filler. Thanks
From what I know, Scott Larsen (www.amquix.info) has never been sued, only threatened. Larsen has taken down some information when asked to, and he's been as accomodating as one could expect. One thing I know is true is the bulk of the information on Amquix.info has never been challenged in court, despite many threats to take Larsen to court.
As for the BBB, they are a clearinghouse of information. Nothing more, nothing less. If nobody complains, then the BBB has no information other than what is provided to them by the company when they pay to become a BBB member. When you look at Quixtar, they usually have a few complaints, and Quixtar usually responds in a quick manner.
What you can't find at the BBB is AmQuix tool companies. They aren't BBB members and are often the worse perpetrators of fraud and misleading information. But they are debt free
Plat.. Thank you for the advice. I appreciate it. I agree on some of the things you said. But I believe I'm doing well in Quixtar because of my efforts. To be honest I have more CUSTOMERS than I have IBOS and it takes a lot of time to serve CUSTOMERS/IBOS. If they have any challenges with anything they either call me or call QUIXTAR. Yes some of the people in this blog are right. A lot of times you self use the QUIXTAR products and make your volume and sponsor more people to self use as well. The thing is.. If someone you sponsor sponsors more people than you. That IBO makes more money. At the moment in the month of February someone in "my team" qualified to make about $5000.00(That's approximate, of course her QUIXTAR check is her business but she was recognized that month for making that money. To see if it's true I can always check my "LINE OF SPONSORSHIP" to see where the volume came from. That's as you know more money than I make. Yes I agree with everyone. The products price is a lot. But it's affordable. Here's something for some people to hear. The other day Wednesday March 5, 2008. I was sharing the opportunity with a single MOM and her 13 year DAUGHTER. She was interested and had a job as a lawyer. The thing is she's already living well. She had a nice home, nice car, nice everything. But MORTGAGE and BILLS was a lot. She said she's willing to place 1 hour every day for this business. I said "Okay" When she registered I asked her if she wanted to qualify for the 3% bonus. For everyone here that's ordering about $300.00 - $400.00 worth of QUIXTAR products. Yes the compensation plan says, "For every $2.50 is equal to 1PV (Performance Volume: But this is just average) Of course like anyone she said, "That's a lot". I said, "These products you purchase every month anyway". But of course she was looking at the price. As her sponsor I want to make this business as simple for her as it can get. See the business is simple but getting in the habit of doing it is challenging. What I said is "Okay let's develop some CUSTOMERS for you". By the way being a QUIXTAR CUSTOMER if FREE. You get FREE SHIPPING and about 90 days to return/exchange/receive your money if you are either interested in another product or just want your money. For a new IBO in the first 3 months you get FREE SHIPPING and see if the business is for you. If you "QUIT" in the first 3 months you can collect the money that you use to register from QUIXTAR which can be about $55.00 - $155.45(Depending if you just register or get the PRODUCT INTRO PACK. Anyway at 12:00 PM this day. I help her register 2 CUSTOMERS: Her brother and her friend (CUSTOMERS because they already saw the business and are interested in other things.) Her brother ordered "NUTRILITE PERFECT PACK" and the her friend ordered "ARTISTRY AGE DEFYING SKIN CARE". For IBOS who are reading this. In her first week she made 134.03 PV, her QUIXTAR check(If this is all she does for this month) is $12.26, and her CUSTOMER check is $120.60. Advise for IBOS and new IBOS.. If you need help "Ask your SPONSOR" if your SPONSOR is living in a different country ask your local team leaders.
Here are a few simple questions for you Anon...
When prospected, did YOU check with the BBB? Did you bother to ask to see a P/L from your would-be sponsor? That is common practice when considering any kind of business venture. Did you do any kind of research at all or did you blindly believe every word you were told by your upline? This is business right? You are a business owner right? So I will assume you did what anyone would do in considering starting a new business...research. If not, well, then THAT is laziness.
Amquix.info has been in a lot more trouble for saying true things about Am/Quix than it has been for saying false things about it.
Seems to me it's kinda lazy to throw away the whole site.
By the way, what 'false statements' did you run across?
And if I can chime in, if a company handles its compaints and things in a satisfactory manner doesn't mean it's a good business venture.
I'll give you another chance at this one, Anonymous - what, specifically, did the BBB tell YOU when YOU performed your due diligence, and in response to what specific question?
Or perhaps you're a different anonymous than the one who dodged that question last time. In that case, I'm posing the question to you for the first time: What exactly did you ask the BBB when you called, and what was the response?
I remember my ex-girlfriend (who after more than a decade still makes no profit) always telling prople that the WWDB Private Franchising Review is FTC aproved. That is such rubbish. The FTC does not approve documents. For her to say that is the wame as me saying that the note I left for my daughter to wash the dishes is FTC approved.
Do you check with the BBB before you make other big decisions or merely counsel with your upline?
Yes google.com is the big bad wolf, huffing and puffing to blow down your house of cards. (Eyes Rolling)
So, how is the air in those clouds?
Ke finally said something of value for IBO's everywhere. the part about THE CUSTOMERS!
If IBO's were taught to market and sell products and build big RETAIL CUSTOMER bases, they'd be much better off.
If Amway/Quixtar would get away from the motivational "tape and tool" business and quit focusing on recruiting other IBO's, the "business" would be much better.
I want to sincerely congratulate you on the FIRST IBO I have even seen here look at the business from the CUSTOMER'S point of view, and is building a customer base.
I was an IBO for 4 years and know how it is very hard work to build a customer base, and had the same challenges, especially concerning price, that you face. In the end, the returns for my efforts just wasn't there, so I left the business.
Best of luck to you and I wish you continued success.
The thing about fully transparency with prospecting is the unlikelihood anyone will want to sign up. I mean think about it; since the Amway/Quixtar names have been around long enough for many people to know about them, and continued negative press surrounding them, what do you think most people would say or do if the prospector mentions Am/Quix in the first meeting? They likely won't even take that person's card. This stinks for the prospector, because they're trying to make something out of this thing they've got their hands on, but that's just the way of it. I know that, if I'd been prospected with full disclosure, I wouldn't have signed up. I was made to believe that this was the individual's business and that they were looking for partenrs, and once it was laid bare, instead of leaving as I should I have, I stayed in and tried to water bail a sinking oil tanker.
To Ke, bigtime Kudos. It certainly sounds to me like you have a head on your shoulders for business. In my experience with Am/Quix, people did NOT tend to think of it the way you do, and it is my hope that you experience the success it seems so many others steal. The way you described "making it easy" for your clients and prospects is the way it should be taught from the stage. I don't often say this, but I would like to see your organization reach that point and hand down what you do to these hopefuls coming up around you. I believe that's the only way to get the poison out of the motivational organizations; give people something truly inspiring. Best of luck to you.
couple quick things to point out
1. whats wrong w/ asking somebody if they are open to making money doing biz---people in quixtar/becoming amway global...do make money....those who work it...not just sign up..
2. the avg 118 comes from those that sign up divided by money made...considering it takes 40 dollars to sign up...but actual hard work to make money...that can make a lot of sign ups and make that avg really low..
3. if you have signed up and researched not just searched...you would have seen that amway global is making it so that people make money faster..become profitable faster through retail sales..i would agree before retail was not promoted has much...that is untrue today..LOTS of retail is being promoted with ACTUALLY price competitive products...
a bonus of 20000 on top of other profits for those that maintain a 18000 per month rev in biz...
i would agree w/ many of the people who dislike the things amway used to be like...but it really has adapted to complaints and improved...
The logic that someone has to be in the Biz to understand the Biz is pure bull. That is the kind of wisdom which dupes people into getting into the Business. I've never played three card monte but I've heard enough about the game to avoid any such nonsense should I travel to New York City.
To even call a self consumption "recruit and dupe" con like this a business or opportunity takes some nerve. If you told your accountant you were making bucks self consuming your own inventory, he would laugh you out of his office.
It is only good business logic never to partner into a business with a someone that makes subtle but exagerated lies from the start. Those that claim success in Quixtar are the same folk furthering the deceit at your wonderful home business shows.
It takes some real bravery to admit you are in the Biz. Is it any wonder that IBOs have fallen victim to so many investment frauds: they paint a bullseye on their back which says "mark".
Unless you are Dexter Yager, I don't believe any wild claims of income. That is one of the first exagerations they ask you to swallow. Amway is a Biz which turns its sales force into con men and women.
I've noticed that the "sold" gung ho types tend to gravitate to one another for support as if we non believer's are all completely deluded, Just Over Broke loosers. You can keep self consuming your energy drinks and chomping down those tasteless meal replacement bars.
The treasure Quixtar seeks is in your pocket and they are getting at it, and all the time making you believe you are such a great success.
Who is powering your Quixtar dream now? Amway? Proves the future in the Biz is very, very, very insecure. I've got a real estate deal, anyone interested?
joe j said: 1. whats wrong w/ asking somebody if they are open to making money doing biz---people in quixtar/becoming amway global...do make money....those who work it...not just sign up..
Joecool said: See, that's where much of the misunderstanding lies. Many people work hard and get nothing out of this business.
joe j said: 2. the avg 118 comes from those that sign up divided by money made...considering it takes 40 dollars to sign up...but actual hard work to make money...that can make a lot of sign ups and make that avg really low..
Joecool says: No, the average is made up of IBO who are onsidered "active". Amway has a definition of active.
joe j said: 3. if you have signed up and researched not just searched...you would have seen that amway global is making it so that people make money faster..become profitable faster through retail sales..i would agree before retail was not promoted has much...that is untrue today..LOTS of retail is being promoted with ACTUALLY price competitive products...
Joecool says: Other than a name change, whathave they done to make things "easier"? Some IBOs have argued that the name change made things harder.
The original post described an IBO who prospected someone at a car show, made some deceptive statements, and later attempted to "bamboozal" his mark after 2 1/2 hours of driving. He believed the mark should reward his time and effort by "swallowing the camel" and buying into his Biz. The hard sell didn't work and he was pissed.
Just like any IBO showing the plan, it would seem that all the time and expense of doing this biz is basically uncompenstated. Hours of time spent combined with every other expense imaginable are never really accounted for. Is it any wonder this poor fellow would feel betrayed in the end. He is just exhibiting the frustration of the struggle. To condemn this person for acting the way he did at the end of his struggle is to blame him for what the system has fostered. If deception wasn't the first stage of "STP" then this kind of IBO horror story wouldn't be so common.
Has anyone ever read "Death of a Salesman"?
JUST SO YOU FOLKS KNOW THAT "PROSUMER POWER" BOOK IS SO SLATNTED TO QUIXTAR/AMWAY ITS RIDICULOUS WATCH OUT FOR PEOPLE USING THAT WORD "PROSUMER" IT MEANS THEIR "IN"
What a lot of angry world wide whiners!!! Surely you have something better to do? You'll become ill with all your negativity. Move on already!
You are so busy complaining and being bitter while enthusiastic IBO's get on with their lives. If you have never been in the business then you have no right to an opinion. And if you were in the business and you have issues - then you have issues and might have had a bad experience with another human being. It's a relationship business - and you need to be the bigger person and fix it. That's what it's about. Your business will only be as big as your attitude. If you've never made any money in the business, then you have never put any effort into your business and therefore you don't get paid for doing nothing! So quit. It's OK. It's a voluntary business!
Interesting reading everhone's perspective about the business, it is like any other business.Business knowledge, attitude, hard work, going the extra mile vs. complaining, lack of effort, fault finding, etc. If anyone who gets in the Amway/Quixtar business and follows the direction of the upline with good business principles, good reading (by the way) if the "world" would all get on the same page and start reading the books that are being promoted and put into practice the principles therein the "world" would be a much better place. I can honestly admit and defend what I have been exposed to because of the business practices taught by WWDB. Please don't complain if you haven't done what you are told, don't be critical on your lack of knowledge about the depths of the business.Be thankful that someone thought enough about you to give you the opportunity. Life is really 3 doors, birth-death being two doors and the third one is the door of decision which is your choice.Blessings!
Smiling, it's not that former IBOs are bitter. It's like a public service to prevent people from joining a scam.
You can make all your big talk about the business but how many of you are netting a profit? I bet very few.
That's why we blog.
ok i just want to say ... Wow... Why can't we all just agree to disagree and leave each other alone I mean if people want to join let them maybe they can and will make a difference in this world or there life and those of you who are anti amway/quixtar you are allowed your opinions as well with it being a " free country and all"... Well at least until the government tells us otherwise.
I was in Amway once and enjoyed the people and the prospect of overcoming my financial issues was a great idea but I was working 2 jobs at the time. Not because it was the business's fault but I was recovering from a job layoff that left me unemployeed for nearly a year. I saw it as a way to help but I never put the time in to see if it would , my upline did what they could but the bottom line was that I didn't.
I buy the product still and still take advice from my old upline, i made some great friends while i was associated with it. Honestly I feel if you are that angry about an old soap business and the people that are in or want to join then you may need to seek therapy because it maybe something deeper. Don't know just a thought.
Let me also say I agree there are some that give the business a blackeye and are probably the reason there are so many hate sites for the business but there are so many other things to attack in this world like crooked politicians ( oh did i say that outloud), crime, and gas prices that this seems so frac'n stupid. It's a company like kirby, pampered chef, avon, and few others i can think of... they all have a sales force and promise big things but I do not have the right to tell those people that they are idiots for beleiving in it because hey who am I. I am nobody just a little fish in a big pond . So nothing anyone says is gonna change my experience with the business. If you all want to go to war over quixtar bad/ quixtar good then please keep the noise down i am trying to sleep
As a current IBO, for my husbands and my 3rd time around, I feel I need to point a few things.
My first time as an IBO, I had an upline that was just as misleading as the rest, told me I could make real money if I sponsored lots of people. This was back when Amway had a bad name. My 2nd time, I tried to learn to sell, but I was so hung up on what all the world was saying that I quit without really trying. Mind you, I bought a lot of books & tapes, and threw them all away. (Kicking myself in the butt now for it).
My husband and I have realized...When we walk in to King Soopers & buy products off their shelf, we don't first ask the manager who distributes their products. We knew the products were of value, so we bought them. As we have grown, we have come to realize that 1) King Soopers doesn't pay me to shop there 2) I spend way too much time that I would rather be home with my family standing in lines at the stores 3) The products we have found through our own business actually outdoes the competition.
We have learned that our business will not grow unless we do the work, our business will not grow if we lie to our friends, or even future prospects, and there is a difference between Quixtar and the upline.
Quixtar is our provider of our products, thats it! I am not "in Quixtar", I am not an employee of Quixtar. I am my own business owner, and just like any business, I MUST work at making my business prosper if I expect to see any results. I can not blame my upline, or Quixtar for my lack of effort.
As far as Upline, they are there to help me with their knowledge, but just like a grocery store, I can take what I need, and leave the rest for someone else. If it does not fit my business, then I am not going to be stupid enough to try it, and blame the upline if it didn't work. It worked for them, and that's great!
It really is a matter of accepting responsibility for our own actions, being honest, accountable, and working hard.
Noone ever promised me a rose garden.
I hope that anyone reading this will realize that most of the negative that ou see on the internet today is past IBO's who were not willing to put in the work, needed someone else to blame for their shortcomings, and just couldn't accept responsibility for their own lack of effort. That is truely what most of these lawsuits are about.
Quit whining, get out there and build a business, and make it happen!!! Don't blame the corp...they are not your upline that misled you. I agree there are many dishonest people out there, we have been through those, but that doesn't mean we aren't going to build our own business. We just do it with out them!!! We are intelligent enough to know, if it is to be....it is up to ME!
King Sooper may not pay you to shop at their store, but neither does Quixtar.
You get paid for moving volume. That volume represents a certain profit for quixtar and your upline, and they in turn return a portion to you as a "bonus".
So for example, say you purchase Satinique shampoo for $8.00 (10 ounce?) and you are in the 100 PV bracket, you will get 3% of the BV for that shampoo, which might be 25 cents. So your net would be minu 7.75, the price of the shampoo and receiving a rebate/bonus.
But if I buy shampoo at King Sooper, I might pay $2.99 for the shampoo and get no bonus. In which scenario am I better off?
I know just how frustrating it is. WWDB steals your dreams away. Going on 9 years of this stupid stuff, we have a loss of about $35,000. Man, what we could have done with that money!!! Husband still going strong, brainwashed and under their control. Just wondering how much longer I can take these stupid claims of making money.
hey ppl, i just became an IBO and yes there are thousand or sites where ppl can freely express wht they think but i strongly believe quixtar is an extremely honest oportunity for anyone to make money.... my upline never assked me to quit my job,, quit my school infact my upline told me tht studies come first...family comes first n then the business... they were frnds with my dad n came to our house to show us the plan... they dont sell dreams they encourage dreams.. they encourage us to work towards fullfilling our dreams... n there is nothing wrong with it... if i had to move out to canada n start my studies over again... i have a diploma in fashion designing... amazing ideas but no i dont have the money to start my own business and neither do i have time to make on a collection n try to sell it cuz i gota study and work as a chasier... now if someone tells me only $125 a year n chance to make money is right there under my nose... i would be an idiot to not go for tht kinda opportunity... n all i gota do is use their company products which includes daily consuption products like soap and toilet paper , tooth brush and water purifier blah blah...... i can get all tht at much cheaper rates while i make points n when n if i like the products i can recommend it to others and wht do i get in return ... SAVINGS and some extra income..... n the person who said a reguler ibo can earn $2000/ month .. certainly i see many many ppl in my immediate upline who make tht much.... regular business owners write off their trips when filing income tax.. so why cant an IBO... its BBB approved system... world wide apporoach.. even with a supposedly pyramid scheme it garuntees tht it will nevr go bankrupt... this cheating on taxes and selling dreams is a past controvery .. quixtar has come a longgggggggggg way... they advertise their name now.. clearly shows they have nothin to hide... and yes ifffff i dont make any money of it... i know i am not loosing anything cuz i only spend money on wht i need to buy... n yeah my uplines have showed their quixtar checks... i have seen my dad's checks... they have their magic corner in the house where they display all their product... they r not hiding anything... its bcuz of these negative blogs tht ibo initially dont tell the name bcuz of all the pre conceived notions... it was one of these blogs tht delayed my plans of joining the business..n i would sincerely hope tht ppl who read this particular one smarten up and and pay attention when a good opportunity comes knocking their way... cuz dreams r wht we live for... n if someone tells me this is how i can acheive my dream i will close my eyes and follow it... cuz atleast my dreams r very very important to me... no amt of schooling or toiling at a job will earn my time and money to be big name tht i hope to be some day....
Sure, upline will tell you whatever you want in the beginning. The teaching changes and the expectations are raised slowly and subtly. It all makes sense and then things change and often you won't notice. They may tell you family first, but when you hit a cross road - attend a function or a friend's wedding, many uplines will tell you "never miss a function" Not all uplines are that way, but there are plenty of them.
Also, the BBB does not "approve" of anything. Quixtar has a satisfactory rating as they handle customer complaints, but that's the end of it.
Regarding trips, you can write off legitimate trips but your business must profit or after a few years, the IRS will consider your activities a hobby and not a business.
fedup - hang in there. 10yrs DH was in. He has been out now for about 3 years. He has not yet recognized the depth of the brainwashing that he was, and to a small extent still is, buying into, but except for the financial legacy, we are out of it.
For better or for worse...this is the "worse" part.