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December 21, 2007
Would lower prices get you back?
By Truth in Quixtar
With all the talk about the Amway/Quixtar prices, especially with all the legal issues surrounding that very subject, would it matter to you if the prices were lowered to be competitive? Let's say that Quixtar does lower the prices of their products so that they are more competitive and so IBOs can actually sell a product at retail and make a profit. Would this be of interest to anyone who has never been or was an IBO? Would you entertain the thought of signing up again to sell products, or would it not be worth it?
Personally I don't believe I would sign up ever again, but I can't say I wouldn't be tempted if the prices were lowered to be competitive with what people are already paying. I just don't know if the lower prices would be worth it even if it was just to sell products. Frankly, I have been very disappointed with Quixtar's flexing of their corporate muscles with this whole TEAM matter. Don't get me wrong, this does not mean I am siding with TEAM (they have gotten quite stupid in their own right) but if Quixtar has admitted to knowing how high their prices were all this time it doesn't seem they really care for the IBO like they say. It's one thing to put out a feel good commercial, it's another to take action.
Comments
It's because of the sheer numbers that I have looked for other opportunities outside of Quixtar.
Spending over $100/mo on 'business support materials' that don't help put any money back in your pocket is ridiculous. I'd much rather put that money into Adsense or other forms of ACTUAL marketing.
If the products were a bit more competitive, IBO's wouldn't have to spend $300 as a single to do 100PV or $900 as a couple to do 300PV every month, just to be a "CORE" IBO.
If the products were more retailable, each IBO could have retail profits fueling their marketing. The retention would be alot better, they'd be breaking alot more Diamonds every year, and I'm certain that the bad press may actually settle down a little bit.
Their domestic AND international policies are starting to really bite them in the (you know what)... I hope they really get things straight, and soon.
The Quixtar business team I was on was an incredible group of people. True leaders, great personalities, young and ambitious. And I can only pray the company gets things right soon, because if they don't there will be alot more regretful former-IBOs looking for other opportunities in the decades to come.
I agree with Adam 100%. If the products were competitive, an IBO wouldn't have to rely on the hype and motivation from the tool businesses. The tool businesses were valuable because they were the engine that drove massive recruitment. With competitive prices, an IBO won't need to spend $300 per month to attend seminar after seminar and listen to 8 CDs a day to motivate them to buy reasonably priced stuff. If the bargain is good, people will naturally buy and the business will work...hypothetically.
Lower prices still don't stop the antics of the AMOs, nor fix the delivery problems, nor add value to your business if you choose to sell it. The Quixtar website won't become more intuitive and helpful. The IBOA still is the tail wagging the dog.
They'd have to overcome a LOT of issues before *I'd* go back.
Deb
The products are not worth it, Truth. Though it would be a rather positive change. But to be honest, when a company changes its business policies only after litigation after litigation, then I am not sure that I would want to be an IBO for such a company. There are companies like Quixtar that are run a lot more ethically and efficiently proper business. Amway started as a pretty okay idea, but then got really messed up with their politics and greed. If I were to join up with any network marketing company, I certainly wouldn't do it with Amway. The XS energy drink is not all that it is cracked up to be. When I retailed it to a truck driver who really needed the energy, he said that it really didn't give him that much energy. Most of vitamins are not even absorbed into the body when someone ingests them.
I would never be interested in being an IBO even if Quixtar were a shining paragon of integrity and had competitive or even low prices. Sales is just not my thing.
I would probably be willing to buy some of the products though, i.e., if they had reasonable shipping prices and brought their shipping system out of the stone age into the 21st century.
If Amway lowered prices for products and the cost of shipping was competitive I would be a customer, but I'll never be an IBO. I can't imagine being that stupid the first time around, let alone doing it twice.
I will never sign again. MLM in general turns me off.
The only way retailing the products would make sense if they would let you set them on a shelf in a store. Without that, I don't see how there could be enough margin to make it worth while.
No!!
Deb,
I suggest you study Accreditation, find out about the new coreline releases (Simply Nutrilite & Artistry Essentials to start), retail initiatives by quixtar, and the new website. They all address exactly what you're saying. Things will never be perfect, but looks like some accountability is starting to be forced onto the AMOs. I encourage you to do some research - at least so you can base your opinions based on current information.
Lower prices would not entice me to sign up again, mainly due to the character and integrity flaws Q revealed lately.
I'm sorry to hear some think MLM is a scam. Pyramid schemes are scams, but not MLM - many large, reputable, well respected and recognized companies use the MLM model. I remember interviewing for an insurance sales position with a company whose name I'm certain everyone would recognize - and was surprised to find they use the MLM model, too.
Personally, I think BSM "systems" have their place, too. More important than the "rah-rah" motivation factor, is the personal growth they can facilitate (depending on the quality of the system, of course). The best idea would be to help the new IBO be profitable enough to cover the cost of the system as quickly as possible, so it wouldn't be a financial burden. Competitively priced products would be a big step in the right direction.
Hello everyone! I think Simply Nutrilite and Artistry Essentials is awesome. For me being in the Quixtar business is great. My money is going to these types of products anyway. Like for me my S.O.T. (Standing Order Tapes/CDS) is only $65.00. Which I was going to use to get CDS in HMV anyway. I like the CDS. It's motivating. I use some of the principles at my job and it makes me more efficient at doing work. Volume is simple. Perfect Health Pack/Simply Nutrilite Kit. All my home products is Quixtar but you know what? It works. I try it if I want something better I have 180 days to give to Quixtar. It's about $400.00. That's okay for me. I make good money at work.
Imran,
As someone said previously, MLM's are not scams as you say. Companies such as Mary Kay, Pampered Chef, Avon, Tastefully Simple, Melaleuca, Primerica, Creative Memories...all of these are MLM models. I don't believe any of them are 'scams'. You can make decent money.
To me, the difference between the aforementioned businesses, and the Quixtar opportunity, is the fact that Quixtar is all-encompassing. It incorporates just about ANY product one purchases. It also incorporates a personal and professional development system which, quite frankly, 95% of us out there could use! It is optional though. One could just retail and earn a good living.
I personally, love XS, Nutrilite, Artistry and the home cleaning products. We haven't been "active" for a couple of months and I definitely still buy all of those products. I would buy them anyway! I used Mary Kay & Clinique before. I can't imagine going back to those! I also used 409, Tide, Lysol & Crest before and knowing what I know now, would DEFINITELY NOT go back to those! I used One-A-Day before & again, after being educated would NOT go back to those!
By the way Chaos12, you need to educate yourself on the Nutrilite supplements. They are about the ONLY supplements on the market that DO absorb into your bloodstream within 20 minutes! I know, I've literally done hundreds of demo's pinning Nutrilite against products such as Centrum, Centrum Silver (not bad), Melaleuca supplements, GNC supplements, One-A-Day (what a joke!). We won EVERY TIME. The purpose of the demo was to show the dissolving & absorption rate into the bloodstream.
It also sounds as though most of you are commenting on things you are not up to date on. One key example is shipping. I agree that they could make their shipping more flexible (ie: ship on more than just one day according to your zip code). However, shipping is FREE with just $75 of core products. Do you realize that all you have to purchase to qualify is a skin care system, double x, a couple cases of xs (replace some of your pop or coffee consumption) and/or a couple of boxes of protein or meal replacement bars, or some cleaning products or skin moisturizing products, etc. It adds up really fast! And the prices ARE competitive in Simply Nutrilite, some Nutrilite products (not much true competition though), Artistry (when compared to Clinique, Estee Lauder, Lancome), Artistry Essentials (when compared to Mary Kay, Arbonne Int'l) and the quality far beats any competition out there.
Bottom line: If we weren't IBO's, we would DEFINTELY continue purchasing the products.
Tina, re:scams
What say you about motivational groups
such as BWW, or Network 21, or WWDB?
Joecool,
I say that I do believe that there have been many people in each of these organizations who have mislead & mis-managed their IBO's. I don't agree (never have & never will) with spending all kinds of money on the 'system' without FIRST earning a profit. That should be taught & established FIRST.
I am part of wwdb. That's what they teach. Be profitable. When they say 'do what it takes to get to the functions', what they're really saying is: put it into perspective. For about the same amount you pay for a Sunday afternoon professional football game (which I think we should all experience!), you get: FED usually is about $100 per person. That will get them national & international speakers (some professionals from corporate and some amateur speakers simply sharing their experiences) from Friday night (for about 4 hours on Friday night!), the entire day Saturday and from about 2 - 5 on Sunday. There is invaluable information in that timeframe.
They are now also including product expo's with product information, competitive information & retailing information.
I don't believe these corporations in and of themselves are 'scams'. I do believe however, that there have (unfortunately and like any other industry) been 'scammers' as part of each of those organizations.
I hope that answers your question. ;-)
Tina said: I am part of wwdb. That's what they teach. Be profitable. When they say 'do what it takes to get to the functions', what they're really saying is: put it into perspective.
Joe says: I was in wwdb. When they say do whatever it takes, what they meant was skip mortgage payments or skip feeding your family a meal - just make sure you get to the function.
joe,
that was a PERSON who mislead you. nothing to do with wwdb. please don't blame the entire organization because of the actions and statements of a few fools. i'm sorry you were "mislead".
tina said: joe,
that was a PERSON who mislead you. nothing to do with wwdb. please don't blame the entire organization because of the actions and statements of a few fools. i'm sorry you were "mislead".
Joe says: And the PERSONS who mislead me represented WWDB. What's your point?
Why do you need to care about the price? If you are in any business you are participating in the profits. The reason why price change in Canada is because the worth of the dollar.
By the way money going like a pyramid scheme has always been there. Why do you think they are giving you money at a job? Because they like you? For some yes. But really is because the company can make a profit from your work. Do yourself a favor and draw your company structure. From Founder of the company to the employee.. If you think I'm talking about jobs as if they something that.. You know? First of all if you have a job that is taking you where you want to be then do it! Why do some people believe that doing Quixtar is like saying I just want Quixtar and a job is for "NORMAL" people.
I am "PLATINUM" in this business. 7500PV for 6 months and I work in the video game industry. I make $4000.00+ at my job and my Quixtar income is $3000.00+. I love my job and what I do.
By the way I have 64 people in my group. Some doing 150PV/375BV or 100PV/250BV of course it is more.. 2 of my legs are making $1000.00+ in Quixtar. Yes if you are doing 150PV you are "CORE"
For the people who use BWW system allow me to tell you. It works for me. Here is how it is. Every month we have 4 open meetings about $4 each. That's $16 every month for open. My S.O.T. (Standing Order Tapes) and B.O.T.M. (Book Of The Month) is $60.00-$90.00 because I love the books. If for some reason you feel different about the BWW system why are you on it? When you register with Quixtar your sponsor should tell you that being with BWW is your choice, your option. My sponsor just told me it helps her so I try it. The books and CDs help me.
When I started I did use the calculator. 6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6. In 13 days if I sponsor 6 who sponsor 6 who sponsor 6 who sponsor 6. Then we would 13, 060, 694, 016 in the Quixtar. First of all there are about 7, 000, 000, 000 people.. About. If something like that would happen. Quixtar would probably make a new compensation plan. Of course it is for Doug Devos and Steve Van Andel to decide for that.
One thing I really learn in Quixtar/BWW is "ALLOW PEOPLE TO GROW" if you invite someone to a "OPEN/BBS/FUNCTION/F.E.D." and they feel different about it. That's okay because first of all they saw the compensation plan by then. It is the persons choice to come. But of course if it is going to be their first meeting then keep asking them. When they come to the OPEN and are like "You know what it's okay.." Okay fine. The thing is they experience it. Same thing for first OPEN/BBS/FUNCTION/F.E.D. There are people in my group who keep telling people OPEN!OPEN!OPEN!OPEN! COME TO THE OPEN! COME TO THE OPEN! If they already try it the first time. Just remind them that there's an OPEN that's it. If they need a ride you give them one. That's it. Why do you have to keep telling them?
My sponsor told me that there's something called OPEN MEETING. I try it. I like it and I go there. If someone has a different feeling about it then why try? Of course just allow them to experience first so that they can make a mature decision on how they feel about it.
For people who are new or are looking at this business you have 3 months to try it. If for some reason your interests is in something else. Then ask your sponsor to get your money from Quixtar and give it to you. The money you use to register of course.
The BWW system. I write it as tax.. Because it's considered "BUSINESS EXPENSE". For example like Bill Gates. He needs to fly to Asia to promote something the money use for the flight is a "BUSINESS EXPENSE" he can write it as tax.
Now you try Quixtar. Do a favor for you and your coming team. Do 100PV/250PV you will get about $7.50. Sponsor 6 people you will get $135.00. Simple right? See the business is simple but it's a challenge for people to really get it and change.
Here is some number if everyone did just 100PV.
Your chance of making extra (Place #) every month. Remember this is just Quixtar. BWW money is different.
$7.50 (1 of 1)
$45.00 (1 of 3)
$135.00 (1 of 6)
$300.00 (1 of 10)
$562.50 (1 of 15)
$1125.00 (1 of 25)
$2100.00 (1 of 40)
$3450.00 (1 of 60)
$4687.50 (1 of 75)
$9375.00 (1 of 150)
$6187.50 (1 of 150)
$6937.50 (1 of 225)
$9187.50 (1 of 450)
$11437.50 (1 of 675)
$13687.50 (1 of 900)
$15937.50 (1 of 1125)
$18187.50 (1 of 1350)
$19687.50 (1 of 1500)
See? Everyone makes money. You have better chances here than in any business. In my experience of course. If your experience is different. That's okay.
k said: I am "PLATINUM" in this business. 7500PV for 6 months and I work in the video game industry. I make $4000.00+ at my job and my Quixtar income is $3000.00+. I love my job and what I do.
By the way I have 64 people in my group. Some doing 150PV/375BV or 100PV/250BV of course it is more.. 2 of my legs are making $1000.00+ in Quixtar. Yes if you are doing 150PV you are "CORE"
Joe says: So if the average platinum in quixtar makes around $3000 a month, that means you're making very little if two of your legs are making over $1000 a month?
Can you elaborate more?
k said:
$7.50 (1 of 1)
$45.00 (1 of 3)
$135.00 (1 of 6)
$300.00 (1 of 10)
$562.50 (1 of 15)
$1125.00 (1 of 25)
$2100.00 (1 of 40)
$3450.00 (1 of 60)
$4687.50 (1 of 75)
$9375.00 (1 of 150)
$6187.50 (1 of 150)
$6937.50 (1 of 225)
$9187.50 (1 of 450)
$11437.50 (1 of 675)
$13687.50 (1 of 900)
$15937.50 (1 of 1125)
$18187.50 (1 of 1350)
$19687.50 (1 of 1500)
See? Everyone makes money. You have better chances here than in any business. In my experience of course. If your experience is different. That's okay.
Joe says: So you have a rare group of IBOs that have no expenses in running their businesses so everyone who gets a bonus makes money?
And nobody in your group ever quits?
No, I won't. MLM is a scam. Turd is a turd, no matter how polished it may be.
Once u figure how money goes (bottom -> up, closed circle) prices etc. really doesn't matter.
Posted by: Imran Aziz | December 21, 2007 7:10 AM