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December 30, 2007
LTD opens for Huckabee in Iowa
By Truth in A/QMOs
A crowd of hundreds had to sit through listening to Larry Winters and Joe Markiewicz before getting to hear from the person they came to see, Mike Huckabee. The name Quixtar never came up, but according to the article there were "some in the crowd" to share all "the good news of a company called Quixtar Inc."
Huckabee said it was a great group of folks, but denied any association with the crowd. Mike Waechter (Diamond in Iowa), who organized the event, also said that Quixtar did not sponsor the event, nor did they endorse Huckabee. Apparently the question came up about what people were led to believe about this meeting. Waechter had this to say:
"I don't think people were misled . . . Some people left saying they liked everything about it. They enjoyed it, every part of it."
However I think Bill Evanich, who is a Huckabee fan, and one of the people to attend the meeting might disagree. Here is his comments about what he thought the meeting was:
"We found out later from a friend it was some kind of Internet marketing thing,"..."I thought it was political, and that we'd get to ask questions."
Of course many people know how forthcoming IBOs are when inviting people to the Secret Meeting. So I guess it should come as no surprise that they would be any different with other kinds of meetings. I suppose from their perspective they were saving those people. I am thinking since only about 3.4% of Quixtar sales were from actual customers, the next meeting they might want to consider is how to actually sell the products to someone besides themselves, before preaching financial freedom to others.
Comments
John, you suffer from a serious affliction. Same with the author of this article. Same with all of you critics.
If ever their was concrete evidence of pushing politics from the stage, this is it.
Winters broke away from BWW, but the tiger didn't change his stripes, did he? It's a sad state of his business to resort to such shady contacting methods. I bet Bob Durling and his team of losers played a part in this crap too.
Should LTD and it's cronies be punished by Quixtar over these shananigans? Lets see what Quixtarfacts.com has to say:
"As always, Quixtar Independent Business Owners are free to have their own political views and to support the political parties and candidates of their choice. The Quixtar business podium should never become a platform for the promotion of political causes not related to the business or other issues of an intensely personal nature. The Corporation has rules in place prohibiting this type of behavior to ensure that people with differing beliefs are not turned off by or turned away from the Quixtar business opportunity because they perceive it to be limited to only those of like mind on certain issues. "
Yikes. Lets hope LTD gets what it deserves.
Fastshutter, John, and Truth,
It shouldn't be a surprise that QMO/AMOs are promoting Republican politics or any other powerful party. They need the support, especially after the court cases they had against them. It is just the same as any other major corporation supporting a particular candidate for president or any other office. They need the support of a powerful party so that they can continue business as usual. It is ironic that many times, some of the Diamonds will say in their people skills CDs to not talk about money, sex, politics or religion, yet they talk about each of those during leadership conferences and FEDs. They may not talk so much about the sex, but they will tell you how to run your family and relationships or "advise" you on it. Some of the big pins from Amway are part of the Republican party and are heavily involved in their campaigns.
Selling to others doesn't sound like a viable option, Truth. At least not one that is going to promise any type of financial freedom.
"I *knew* there was something that bugged me about Huckabee, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. Now I see it. He reminds me, every time I see him, of a guy at the front of the room, all clean shaven, neatly dressed, with a blue marker in his hand in front of a dry-erase board."
Funny, I get that feeling about John Edwards, Obama, Ron Paul... well, pretty much the whole lot.
This is rather "non-news". Corporations, Chamber groups, Social Organizations, Churches, Unions, etc., etc., etc., have politicians come in and stump for votes quite frequently under different guises, a la "secret meeting".
Time to snap out of the Pollyanna world, kids.
Give me a break...Huckabee is a notorious spender and an empty suit for the new world order. LTD sucks too. So, vote for Ron Paul or die.
This is the best I could do...sorry guys...
I am glad to hear that there are still MEN in this country who are not afraid to stand up for what they believe in.
I have had a chance to meet with some of these LTD guys in the past, and at least these MEN practice what they preach! These guys are Christians and they truly love one another as brothers. You can't fake that. They do see Huckabee as a brother in Christ. And yes they do back certain people that can help them in business, but only if there values and morals are in line with the Christian beliefs. Every other major businessmen in the country do the same thing in one way or another. These guys appear to be aligned with the right, and the right is called the right for a reason. I'ts RIGHT! I believe anyone who loves their country, and their God, and has the means to promote the good things about their beliefs would do that if they could. Many of us do, we just don't always have the same platform as these guys. The celeberties do the same thing, but mostly from the left, not always, and they have that right, and that also gets their name out there and that is not always positive in everyone's eyes, and it may not be a positive thing for the LTD guys in some people's eyes, but that's OK, it's a risk you take in standing up for what and who you believe in. We still live in the greatest country in the world. What kind of government do we have? As one of our founding fathers reportedly said.."A REPUPLIC, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT."
These guys are just doing what we all do when we go to vote, voting to keep it. We just need to make sure we are voting for the people who want us to keep it.
The greater the security the lesser the freedom. We have to be careful and always keep the right balance. I believe these guys understand what this country was founded on and they just want it to remain that way...ONE NATION UNDER GOD..
May God to contiue to bless the USA!
I'm an LTD'er. I'm actually from Arkansas and personally know Huckabee and the rest of his family. I agree that the guy is an empty suit for the NWO and a terrible pick for prez. I don't understand why all the "free enterprisers" in LTD don't support Ron Paul. In either case, I'm voting Ron Paul in the Virginia primary Feb 12th and recommend that all of you do the same if you really want "freedom" to continue to be a word you're allowed to say on a daily basis. Huckabee, Obama, all of them are biding their time to turn your liberty over to a North American Union, change your currency to the Amero, and leave you penniless. Vote Paul 2008!! Check out these movies: "America: Freedom to Fascism", and "End Game". Get your minds right before the election.
Great Event! Mr Negative blogger, If you were at this event you might have gone positive. This was an awesome event. Huckabee is a great runner for President. The only things was successful LTD IBO's paid for it out of there hard work and income. So what side of the fence does one sit on. This is black and white interms of seeing what these guys believe in. It is call Honor, Duty, Freedom, Vision, Courage, Faith, and Service. O those must be things you over look. The LTD guys live it by exmaple and this is just another great one that you choose to ignore because of you negative outlook on life. That night Quixtar was not mentioned. It was about influence and being a successful person. All 1000 plus in attendance got the correct message. The message was not Quixtar but everything the LTD Team ring Stands for. People reading this. Your in a fight and it is for your future. The things you support are key. Look past the words and get to the heart of the matter and what you support and why. This speaks louder than words. Thank you Larry Winters and Joe Markiewicz. The negative people will always be out there but in the end people remeber those who impact people for the better.
Jackson,
What am I negative about? I would bet you that you are also a negative person if the right subject comes up.
If I did attend this meeting what would I have become positive about? Would I be more positive about a business that only has 3.4% of it's sales to actual customers? Would I be positive about those uplines that were speaking are making more money off of the books, CDs, and tickets that I buy rather then actual Quixtar income?
BTW, spare me the Honor, Duty, Freedom, Vision, Courage, Faith, and Service talk. Those uplines make tons of money off of what they convince you is them servicing you.
TR-
What possible benefit and good can come from posting and posting and posting malicious, negative, garbage about honest,christian business men and women of character that are choosing to make a difference in someone else's life and at the same time, stand up for what they believe in?
What's the core issues here TR?
Is it they succeeded and you haven't had that level of success in your own life yet?
Is it that they wear their beliefs and live them for the whole world to see and are strong men and women of character?
Are your own beliefs a struggle? I've been there.
Are you in-between job/career choices again?
I just read pain and anger in your posts man. Just let it go..
Find some joy in your life, DO something that full-fills you and gives you purpose. Focus on where you want to go not where you currently are and where you have come from. Spend your time being productive. Perform a random act of kindness for the first person that you can. Just do it..
Just let it go TR...
Start anew tonight.
God bless and happy new year.
G
"What possible benefit and good can come from posting and posting and posting malicious, negative, garbage about honest,christian business men and women of character that are choosing to make a difference in someone else's life and at the same time, stand up for what they believe in?"
First of all I don't see how anything I wrote was malicious or negative. But then again your analysis of LTD is off as well.
"What's the core issues here TR?"
Glad you asked. There are many but the main one is a group of people promoting a business opportunity, but behind the scenes making all of their real money off of the "tools" they claim you "need" to be as successful as they are. Hardly honest in my opinion.
"Is it they succeeded and you haven't had that level of success in your own life yet?"
Oh sure I have not succeeded in monetary terms as much as Larry Winters has, but I have done far, far better for myself since leaving Quixtar, and far better then many IBOs do. Also I did it without having to make my money by pimping others dreams to get them to buy my books, CDs, and tickets. Unlike Winters I don't have thousands of people losing money every month so I can make my money.
"Is it that they wear their beliefs and live them for the whole world to see and are strong men and women of character?"
I will just chalk this statement up to you being on the kool-aid. Because once again strong character is not what comes to mind when I think of them.
"Are your own beliefs a struggle? I've been there."
Actually they have never been more strong. But don't worry someday you will wake up and come out of it and it will be a struggle for you no more.
"Are you in-between job/career choices again?"
Typical mentality, since I am not in Quixtar I must be one of those broke losers struggling with my job. Man you are hard on that kool-aid aren't you? To the contrary I have a good job, and have a side business that is going very well. BTW, how is your job going?
"I just read pain and anger in your posts man. Just let it go.."
Are you reading the same posts as everyone else? Please do point out the anger if you will. I did let it go when I stopped lining my uplines pockets with tool money. Someday you will be able to put the kool-aid down as well.
"Find some joy in your life, DO something that full-fills you and gives you purpose. Focus on where you want to go not where you currently are and where you have come from. Spend your time being productive. Perform a random act of kindness for the first person that you can. Just do it.."
Why do you have to do a random act of kindness. Can't you just be kind on a regular basis? I guess they don't teach that to IBOs. Thanks for the tapespeak but I got enough of that the first time around from the snake oil salesmen, I certainly don't need to hear it again. I focus my time on my children and family, you know actually raising them instead of the babysitter because I am out trying to pimp the world into my new business.
"God bless and happy new year."
Same to you.
I don't know about you, Truth, but I certainly feel a lot better after that therapy session. Seriously G, We've all heard the "stop criticizing others, when you are a loser" talk before; It doesn't work out here in the real world man. I applaud Truth, he has great analysis, great insights, and talks openly about his experiences in "the business".
All it is is dialogue to get people to see another side of the business. It's not meant to be mean, or nasty it's trying to get people to look at their business objectively. Look at the straight up numbers, look at the fact that out of 15,000 people at a function, only 10 or 20 of them are diamonds or above. Look at all of the money you will have to put into it before you show a profit. Look at all of the time that has to be put in time spent away from family, and friends. Good luck with whatever you do, but look at this business objectively, and without the Quixtar colored glasses.
"I don't know about you, Truth, but I certainly feel a lot better after that therapy session."
Yes, I went to a quiet place and had one of those "emotional moments" where I got it all out ;)
You are right, all of what I write is designed to make people think about their business. To actually look at the facts, because contrary to popular belief among IBOs, the facts do indeed count.
"What am I negative about?" your outlook on life! The point of the We the People Rally was not about Quixtar which you bluntly keep implying which is false. Your buddy got it wrong. If you think he was right then listen to the entire evening on my IPOD. You will not be mistaken. So that alone is false which follows most of these blog topics you rampage on about. You are filtering you stance on your pessimistic view. My point was the guys who funded the Rally did it for the right reason and it was honorable and they did not pitch Quixtar or Amway. The next topic of tools and upline making money. So what!!!! Get over it. We should get rid of Barnes and Noble then too. They make tons on books and CD's for ambitious people. If my upline make money on LTD CD's that is great for how much they helped me and it goes to great causes. Gosh my employer and boss make 3 times more off me at my J.O.B than LTD ever does and I am not screaming and creating a negative blog on that, heck I wonder what the percentage profit most employers makes on most employees or you for that matter. It is called business. What I think you have wrong is your view of LTD and its purpose. You base it off of everything else you here or fabricated off old 70-80’s history. LTD does not force me to buy LTD CD's I buy then voluntarily. Just like I am not forced to by my Joel Osteen or www.KCM.org tools. I do it because it adds character and makes me a better person. The products are good and the LTD system is priceless. Last time I looked the 20 Billion my J.O.B did last years, not a single person said I will help you to create more income and be better more positive person. If they did I would have done it. Hummm, LTD did and the Amway gave me an equal opportunity that works. Outside of that, That has nothing to do with the We the People Rally for Mr. Huckabee and that is the Point. Thank God Joe and Larry used the Profit they made off of me for Good and not Evil. If they used it to support Hillary then I would not be supporting the LTD’s cause which shows you where I stand. The point is LTD has a cause and purpose and that is worth fighting for weather you can see it or not. I do not see you in the Fight for helping the next President elect. It is fiercely important. If so your Wallet and Calendar will speak beyond your typed words. Fact is Larry and Joe believe in what they are doing and that is why they have 20 Thousand plus people following them. You said “spare me the Honor, Duty, Freedom, Vision, Courage, Faith, and Service talk.” Well that is exactly why you can not see it. Your heart is closed to the reality that some still do believe in those things and there actions prove it well past the dollar bills if you’re able to take of your Black robe to see it at times.
Jackson,
Your apparent dislike of me and what I write has clearly blinded you to many facts.
First of all I have no buddy that got this wrong. My source was an article that was written by someone I do not know but was reporting on what happened there.
Second my article clearly states that the name Quixtar did not come up except from those in the crowd who were there to share the news. I seriously doubt your Ipod has every conversation that took place from every person there, so you can hardly say it didn't happen. Matter of fact I know exactly what you put on your Ipod because I too was once an IBO.
So right off the bat you are making accusations about me that are completely false. But then again it usually is Larry Winters who likes to say the facts don't count, and I guess you have bought into that.
"You base it off of everything else you here or fabricated off old 70-80’s history."
Once again you have made statements without doing your homework. I base it off of what I experienced and what I saw from 03-04.
"I do not see you in the Fight for helping the next President elect. It is fiercely important. If so your Wallet and Calendar will speak beyond your typed words."
So I guess I have to put on a rally in order to do things for a President elect. What a seriously pompous ass attitude they teach in LTD. But seeing as how I am a registered independent I don't get involved in party primaries.
"You said “spare me the Honor, Duty, Freedom, Vision, Courage, Faith, and Service talk.” Well that is exactly why you can not see it. Your heart is closed to the reality that some still do believe in those things and there actions prove it well past the dollar bills if you’re able to take of your Black robe to see it at times."
No, I said that because it makes me sick when an IBO uses those words when it comes to this business and especially organizations like LTD. It's because I served with real men and women who truly know what Honor, Duty, Freedom, Courage, Faith and Service really mean. They know it has nothing to do with money, or some marketing plan. Those words in my mind are reserved for those who pay a real sacrifice for those words and not those who just pay them lip service.
You try to tell me that I overlooked those things when in fact my focus on those words couldn't be greater. I don't use those words on some person who makes their money by having a majority of their 20 thousand plus followers losing money every month
You want to see me in a black robe go right ahead my friend. Stay blind to what is clearly obvious, I know in your world the facts don't count. But next time you want to use big words like Honor, Duty, Freedom, Courage, etc. Remember those who really have sacrificed for it.
O.K so the facts are in. You clearly state you where not there. So you admit to that, Second you said you do not even know the guy who posted the article. Nice to be writing like the Star Mag on facts. People you can see clearly this guys motives. Lastly you jump on LTD and attack us for what reason. You talk like you know Larry personally. Fact is you have never been on the LTD Team and you most likely have never met or shook the hands of any LTD Diamond. You make false claims like you know Larry. Well after being around Larry for 8 Years and know knowing him personally for 4 years I have got to say he is a class act. He is not perfect but a honest winner who has always been willing to fight for the right thing. You’re pulling LTD into the bad laundry based on what? (Your assumptions)! So yes the iPod does tell all from what was talk about on stage and that is what is important and factual. I do not go to a Colts game and record what some guy talked about in the bathroom. I go to see what Dungy and Manning do on the field because that is what gets recorded and talked about. That was where you pointed or tried to mislead people that Larry and Joe’s Rant was a Quixtar spiel.
What is really funny is that no one said anything about Clebe McClary and his talk with Joe, Larry and the Huck that night. O if you want to judge Clebe go right ahead http://www.clebemcclary.com/ . http://www.oldstonemanor.com also exists today part do to the profits of LTD. I am glad any dime that comes from me, off me, thru me which go into these men and purposes. It better that what Target supports, O in my opinion.
You said “It's because I served with real men and women who truly know what Honor, Duty, Freedom, Courage, Faith and Service really means.” Well Yes your right serving is action and not lip service and it should get Duty, Freedom, Vision, Courage, Faith, Service and Honor. It is true true Patriotism, but what do you do after you serve in most cases your youth. Sit out the remaining 70 plus years of one life scrutinizing noble people and just work a job. You seem to ignore what Clebe McClary’s talked about that night. O I remember you do not know he talk because you were not there. Well just so you know he was also accompanied with major silent financial backers as well in the room that night. People like LTD Diamond Mike Waechter or Emerald Brent Harris and many more. All people YOU have never met eye ball to eye ball who also have served beyond enemy lines with major sacrifice of friends and honor to our Country. These guys are not hooligans fighting for greed and money like you want to believe. They are fighting for what the LTD Team stands for and I know them personally and they believe after having stood in the heat of battle that our LTD Team is worth standing for too after having served real time. They say you can impact more people in a positive way thru this Team than any job they can pursue by winning men’s hearts. So my point being, Go Huckabee in 2008. If he does not win at least LTD and or Larry did the right thing and proof was Huck won in Iowa as the underdog that day.
Let’s get this right, in 03-04 you were part of Quixtar and not LTD. So what give you the right to bad mouth LTD and Larry Winters and what they do with there spare time? You do not even know them. That is the Black Robe and judgment I am referring too.
"O.K so the facts are in. You clearly state you where not there. So you admit to that, Second you said you do not even know the guy who posted the article. Nice to be writing like the Star Mag on facts. People you can see clearly this guys motives."
Do you just make this up as you go along. Because this makes no sense whatsoever. You seem to be quick to assume things so maybe you created this in your mind. First of all no where did I say that I was in attendance (show me where I said that). Second I never said I knew the person who wrote the article (again point it out). Let's see you back it up.
Finally, if you understood the nature of blogs you would know that many times other articles are referred to and written about to bring attention to them. Nothing gets by you does it?
"Fact is you have never been on the LTD Team and you most likely have never met or shook the hands of any LTD Diamond."
Wrong again, LTD was part of BWW which I was a part of and I know many, many people who were in LTD. I have met Waechter, Markiewicz, even Brent Harris. Any more claims you would like to make about me that I can refute?
"So yes the iPod does tell all from what was talk about on stage and that is what is important and factual. I do not go to a Colts game and record what some guy talked about in the bathroom. I go to see what Dungy and Manning do on the field because that is what gets recorded and talked about. That was where you pointed or tried to mislead people that Larry and Joe’s Rant was a Quixtar spiel."
Wrong again, but I don't mind challenging you to show where I did so. Since you apparently missed it the first time I will say again that I did say the name Quixtar never came up during the talk, but that there were many people in the crowd to share the good news about a company called Quixtar. No need to say it from stage with all the IBOs around to pick up the prospecting. Are you actually trying to get us to believe that no IBOs tried to contact anyone in that crowd after Winters was done?
"What is really funny is that no one said anything about Clebe McClary and his talk with Joe, Larry and the Huck that night."
Are you living in Fantasy land? Did you read the article I reported on? I reported on the article, not the event. Was Clebe in the article? Perhaps if you tried to understand what was written rather then just hating the writer you would get a grasp on these things.
"Well Yes your right serving is action and not lip service and it should get Duty, Freedom, Vision, Courage, Faith, Service and Honor. It is true true Patriotism, but what do you do after you serve in most cases your youth. Sit out the remaining 70 plus years of one life scrutinizing noble people and just work a job"
Damn right it is true Patriotism. The problem you IBOs have is this unbelievable outlook on people with jobs, as if somehow being an IBO makes you better. Do you have any idea how many people with jobs are better off finanacially then a great majority of IBOs? But let me guess, this business is not just about money right?
I tell you it makes me laugh when IBOs are so shallow in their thinking that they think unless everyone is doing what they are doing, they couldn't possibly be doing the right thing. Such narrow-minded thinking.
"People like LTD Diamond Mike Waechter or Emerald Brent Harris and many more. All people YOU have never met eye ball to eye ball"
...as stated above, yet you are wrong again. You are getting really good at being wrong. Soon you will graduate to grasping at straws if you are not there already.
"So my point being, Go Huckabee in 2008. If he does not win at least LTD and or Larry did the right thing and proof was Huck won in Iowa as the underdog that day."
LOL! Do you understand what a caucus is and how it works?
"Let’s get this right, in 03-04 you were part of Quixtar and not LTD. So what give you the right to bad mouth LTD and Larry Winters and what they do with there spare time?"
First of all I am not bad mouthing anyone. What gives me the right to have my opinion about the practices of an organization and express those opinions is something called the First Amendment. Seeing as how much you are Mr. Political Patriot I figured you would have known that.
Also, as stated before LTD used to be a part of BWW, and so was I. So you are wrong again. I attended many events put on by the Winters organization, and knew many people from that group.
Bottom line here Jackson is we have differing opinions. You might not like my viewpoint, but in the end it is a matter of perspective. What you see v. what I see. The only thing that motivates me to write on this blog is to get people to remember that this is a business and to treat it as such. To understand their losses and to expose some of the dangerous teachings that I saw while in the business.
I know your perspective is that all is great and well and that you are in business with great people. That's great for you Jackson, but I promise you that is not how it is for everyone, including those in LTD.
Jackson, please keep posting. Your nonsensical and nearly illiterate posts serve as fair warning to those considering getting involved, and perhaps you can help spare someone losing his/her shirt - post on!
Wow! Anyone can see by your writings that you are explosively angry. Your judgment is rage. Your people skills are of that too. You’re a Critic and all my experience critics are miserable inside. If your justification is the First Amendment then go right ahead. Maybe pick apart something that does not have a following and (has the ability) if done right to have a positive impact. I have been a part of this organization for 8 plus years. Fact are I know more wrong with it than YOU DO/Facts are it is still better than any great job that I might find.
May be you should start a blog with your skills ripping apart some J.O.B's. I am not down on jobs. They are good, It is just that there are far more that are not. So our Team and business can provide an alternative for a go getter which my job might not be designed for. At least IBO’s and LTD members are helping people and I am proof of it. It has helped me in my job, my marriage, my financials, and much more. Sorry your one year flash in the pan was horrible. Maybe your experience would have been different sponsored by an entirely different person who would know not how to piss you off so easily. Why do I know that because I knew people in Amway prior to starting and I would not have gotten started with them with a 10 foot pole. I did however after seeing the plan from the Winters Team.
For you to have been on BWW and met all those LTD guys in 1 year and know them enough to judge them is crazy! I know what it took me to get around all those guys and it was not possible in 1 year to know what they really are made of. I actually said to myself. If this thing is so good then I will stick it out long enough to see the behind the seen details and facts. I owe it to myself if it is that good to do that. I did and it is. I still catch my human nature at times wanting to pick things apart and in 8 years behind closed door and in very private meetings with Joe, Larry, and Mike, I still an impress at there ability to uplift the values on the LTD ring. They are men of integrity and that also why it is not BWW anymore.
I could say a reply to all your comments but I am above that since I am not going to waste my time here and with you anymore. I am out of here. I see what negativity this site holds and brings since you’re a bully. I hate to imagine how this site controls your thoughts and binds you to a serious stronghold.
Well thanks for stopping by Jackson. No surprise that you failed to back up your claims with examples. Sadly I expected nothing more and it seems you didn't disappoint. I can understand why you want to leave since I too experienced the same thing while I was an IBO. Deep down I knew much of what was written was true, and I couldn't honestly refute it. So instead I turned away from it and went back to that world of Quixtar, until the writing was just too clear on the wall. Perhaps you will see it someday.
I find it interesting that you continue to berate me for what you claim is passing judgment on others, however in all of your posts you have passed judgment on me. Is this another example of IBOs not practicing what they preach.
I will have to say that I agree with you that I too would hate to imagine how this site controls my thoughts. If the thought of a site controlling thoughts is not crazy enough, it sounds like an episode for the Twilight Zone for it to control my thoughts since I am the one writing my thoughts.
But I am glad you are happy with the boys at LTD, I hope you get all that you are looking for from them, especially since you are paying for it.
Hello Eric,
Your a sicko. You blantly mislead people with these negative slanted articles. Yes your a Journalist of negative views. Like the guy above said you must be tormented by this stuff contantly when your away from being online. Yes they might be your thoughts but the truth is you do not have a real right slander and create negative view points of this particular team. The guy above was not putting you down either. I found his point pretty clear and you passed on the real issues at hand. I wish on was on the LTD Team, but our group is learning from the great exmample Larry has provided to change the tool business because it is the right thing to do. Each valid point for the positive was ignored in your writings. I like this Huckabee guy too. He is now the Underdog and it apears that the underdogs are the people to fight for. Go Larry and Chuck Norris lets fight for Huck! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDUQW8LUMs8 , http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/. Eric writes nice articles when Chuck Norris is near:) I thought I add that one. Watch Eric will blast this too.
Brandon,
Eric did not write this article. I am still puzzled as to why you IBOs become so hostile against people with differing points of view. But thanks for posting since it only shows everyone else that it is true.
It seems there are two kinds of bloggers within this post.
LTD's - marketing is cool... but don't waste your time being a critic of a critic.... remember "Don't wrestle with a Pig. The Pig likes it and you both will get dirty"
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
Teddy Roosevelt - President of USA
I am a big fan of quotes myself. Here are a couple I bet you have never seen or heard:
“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” -Winston Churchill
“He has a right to criticize, who has a heart to help.” -Abraham Lincoln
Truth, you are the man. So well spoken and so calm when dealing with irrational people. I was in LTD from 2005/2006.
And everything you stated in your above comments were exactly what I experienced as well.
Your point on how IBO's feel that they're better than everyone who isn't involved in the "business" is so accurate it's scary.
Also, as you stated, these IBO's fail to realize that people with a JOB are so financially superior to the IBO it scares them. Therefore all these IBO's who are collecting $1,500(gross) a year feel the need to use guys like Larry Winters and Joe Markiewicz as examples, almost as if they're living that glamourous life themselves.
Do I own a 40,000sqft home? No. Do I own 32 cars? No. Do I have a private jet? No. Do I make millions and millions of dollars? No. But, as you said I'm better off than 10's of thousands IBO's.
I'm so much better off, both financially and emotionally since I left Quixtar.
Thanks for your great insight!
You're not the same Tony that used to post here a few years ago are you?
I am the same one Joe. I can't believe you remember LOL! Yeah I haven't posted here since late 2006, but after seeing so much Quixtar crap on youtube, I wanted to check this site out again just to see what was going on. I see a lot of the same names on here.
I posted on some of insiders youtube videos and he blocked me from posting HAHA! Guess he didn't like my opinions very much
OMG!!! Tony dude! Good to see you.
I cannot believe it.
Good to see you're doing ok. Hope you will visit and post some of your experiences here and on the forum.
Does it feel a bit strange to have left the quixtar family?
Hi Tony!!! How are you?
I'm still into goats.
The same Tony that was here before in favor of Quixtar? The one who sent the copies of checks to Qblog? Just checking to make sure it is the Tony I was thinking it was.
TRUTH-- when I posted here before I had just left Quixtar and was very much against it.
I remember having battles with guys like "insider", "Christian Anton" and a few others. I've been very opposed to Quixtar for a while. I always wished I had seen that Dateline NBC report on it before I joined.
But then again, being involved with that trash, certainly has made me appreciate what I have, much more.
I think most of my posts were on those videos for the movie "Believe" which I still haven't seen. Has anyone seen that movie?
Joe-- It's good to be back, everything is great, I got married in July and my wife and I just bought a new house (I didn't pay for the house in cash LOL)
Imran-- I'm doing well, thank you.
Goats are always good lol
Tony,
Congratulations! Good to hear that you are in good health and successful in life.
I remember some epic debates we had back in 2005. LOL
Joe, did we have debates? I never defended AmQuix on this site, I had always despised it in all of my posts.
Truth thought I was somebody else, but when I posted here I was always against it.
Did you endorse it back in those days?
I do remember talking to you but I don't remember if you were an advocate of AmQuix or not.
You're not the Tony from Ohio?
Nope! Tony from NY LOL!
"Would I be positive about those uplines that were speaking are making more money off of the books, CDs, and tickets that I buy rather then actual Quixtar income?"
Amazing... one normal, common sense person doesn't see that as a problem. Only the critics of our business do.
"Amazing... one normal, common sense person doesn't see that as a problem. Only the critics of our business do."
I am equally amazed that only one person doesn't see this as a problem, while thousands do. Usually that's a sign that something is wrong.
Actually, diamonds making more from tools wouldn't be so bad if there was transparency about it.
And you know what's amazing? When people think the tools are good when 1 in 14,000 or so ever reach the level of diamond, which is where you make the "bucks" from the tools.
Anonymous writes ;
"Amazing... one normal, common sense person doesn't see that as a problem. Only the critics of our business do."
You can't possibly be serious.
Hey guys
I'm from the other side of the world New Zealand. Was in the business for 3 and half years deep. Left the business 6 years ago in financial crap, friendless and emotionally screwed. Yeah it does sound pretty extreme but illustrated how deep we were in the business.
Never questioning upline, believing that these people really "loved" us and putting them a head of our "loser" friends and family. Yet when we needed the most help, losing our house and car and unable to maintain the pace, we were forgotten. Infact when we stopped we met our uplines a few weeks later and they didn't even acknowlede us. It was like they never knew us, these same people who told us how much they loved us, who my children looked upto and people I held in high regard. It hurt!
I carried that burden of being a "failure" and not being a "true man" in building the business for my familys future for many years. Thank god, I decided to check these sites on the net. It has been theraputic and has helped me a great deal. My thanks to those that have taken time to create opportunities to release!!
It amazes me, the responses by current IBO's on these sites, they claim everyone is angry, malicious and negative, but their posts are the worst. But I understand that they are "plugged in the system" and hopefully, one day they will see the truth.
Thanks for taking the time
Hey guys, I just wanted to apologize for any wrong you feel you have been done by any LTD IBO. Ive been a a part of LTD for almost five years and have never seen the side I am hearing about. They have ALWAYS told me exactly how much everybody makes on tools and I never really cared... my life is better in every way because of this team.
Quixtar itself has never wronged me. They, as a corporation, have done everything they have ever said they would. I get the products I order when they tell me Ill get them, at the price they set, and have gotten all of my check exactly at the amount they should have been.
We have always been encouraged to let others try our stuff and sell to them if they want it and that has been a large part of my business income.
Again, I'm not arguing, more so apologizing. Some people like to get defensive and argumentative. I am just telling you what Ive seen.
I *knew* there was something that bugged me about Huckabee, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. Now I see it. He reminds me, every time I see him, of a guy at the front of the room, all clean shaven, neatly dressed, with a blue marker in his hand in front of a dry-erase board.
This just validates my anxiety.
Posted by: John | December 31, 2007 12:00 AM