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December 15, 2007
Job Mentality Defined
By Truth in Miscellaneous
Finally after all this time we now have the definition of "Job Mentality" thanks to a regular poster over at Insider's forums who goes by the name "TB2IBO". Here is the gem of wisdom from the oh wise one:
Job Mentality (as defined by me)--To negotiate the highest wage for the least amount of work possible. To always check results (ie.work a few hours and ask immediately "where's my check?") Desires security, although false as it is. Typically knows how to work hard, very hard for money, but doesn't always understand how money works.
So now a few comments of interesting things I noticed about this definition:
-First thing I notice is that they say it is "as defined by me", basically telling me they don't have it in them to call the spade a spade, they need that back door out.
-Next I point your attention to the arrogant, snobbish view of those who work for others. Saying that the objective is to do as little work as possible for the most money. I don't know about anyone else but I can say that many times I look for the work in my jobs to be challenging and fullfilling, and I seek a fair compensation for that work. But apparently to IBOs those of us who work are nothing more then blood sucking leeches. Wouldn't that put us in the same category as the Kingpins of AQMOs?
-I would also like you to notice that by this definition not only are those of us who have jobs blood sucking leeches, we are also apparently financially stupid. I find it amazing how apparently if you work hard for your money, you don't know how the money works. Is this to say then that if you don't work hard for your money, you do understand how it works? I will stop there but the questions left unanswered by that part of the definition could go on for a while.
Sadly as with many IBOs TB2IBO has failed to realize that no business, or business owner would be anything, or have any money if it was not for those who worked for them. Many times companies are taken to greatness not because of the person who founded the company, but rather because of an employee, or employees. I have said it before and will continue to say it, any IBO showing this kind of disdain towards those who hold a J-O-B doesn't know the first thing about business.
I assume in the interest of fairness TB2IBO also offered to define "business owner mentality" as well, I will be on pins and needles waiting.
Comments
Unfortunately, the training system is too deeply ingrained in his mind. Some of the most serious and hard-working people that most folks in my neigborhood admire are just blue-collar 80-hour-per-week schmoes who are the foundation of the company they work in. Most folks in my discipline, which is mechanical engineering, work extra hours during the weekends, not for extra pay or glory, but because it is what they have a passion for. Wasn't it the original head honcho or Amway, Rich DeVos that said to pompous IBO's like TB2IBO:
"Who are you to call a teacher who decides to dedicate their life to education children a loser? Who are you to call a truck driver who chooses to spend his time driving rather than doing Amway a loser? What gives you that authority? Some of the people that are outside Amway may be bigger winners than some of you." I know that wasn't exactly word-for-word, but you can check out his speech on one of Truth's podcasts on Odeo. Truth, do you still have them up?
Thanks for posting, man. Actually, how would one post something on this forum if they wanted to?
Can we not be a forum for discussing Insider's blog? It's not that important - and he lives for this attention.
After all - it's the 'fastest growing' Amway related blog in the world. He said that after no one commented after about 2 weeks on his - and he showed up here again.
Because he can't get the attention he wants at his own - and it's obviously seen as just a part of the lie.
PCJ,
Relax, the difference between Insider and myself is that I write what I feel to write and not what I feel gets good Google rankings. Which is most likely one of the reasons my other blog Quixtar Inside Out which has been neglected for quite some time still ranks higher on Google search engine then his site, which he has spent a great deal of time promoting in some of the most questionable ways I might add.
If it is attention like this post that he craves something tells me he has bigger issues then just a site no one likes to visit.
I heard this same tired drivel in my LOS, too. Anyone else find the irony that the pool of people that TB2IBO disdains is also the same pool of people he/she will need to draw from to build their "bidnez"?
A truly wise business owner recognizes they are an employee .... of their customers.
bwahahahahahahahhhh ... thanks for the laugh PCJ, truth. A nice lot of BS in those comments.
I think the problem with many Ibo's, including Tb2IBO, is when they hear something said by a kingpin from stage, they don't stop and think about it. Just because you, TB2IBO, don't like your job, flippin' burgers doesn't mean the rest of don't like our jobs. Believe it or not there are some people who enjoy what they do, I am one of them. It means that you are out in the real world and with real people, not the fake "everything is awesome" people. So the next time you hear something said from stage, Tb2IBO, stop, think about it, and don't regurgitate it like some mindless drone, because we all know that jobs are evil and anyone working a job is an idiot that doesn't know how money works.
Let me ask you this; What's the balance on the average Ibo's credit card? How many Ibo's go into debt because of this business? I would bet that a lot of Ibo's buy up, or have their teams buy up, to get to the next pin. So let me get this straight... I got into this business cause I need extra money, but I need to buy extra things that i don't need(that are overpriced) just so some dude can get to the next level? What's in it for me? Oh yeah, a $10 dollar check that barely covers the shipping charge. Doesn't every respected financial planner out there tell people to stay out of debt? Yet, upline will tell you to go into debt if you need to make it to the next function, or push them over the next pin. Yeah, sounds like they know how money works. I wonder why people in the business think they are so much better then people that aren't?
You claim so much BS yet you fail to be able to point any of it out. At least when I tell you your site is BS I can show it. But I know you have to get your story spun and that takes time.
What I find most disturbing is that he took one snippet of an ideology and completely perverted it. To this day, I’ve never heard my uplines ever denounce a person because they work a job for someone else. The thing that has ALWAYS been stressed is that people should have OPTIONS. I didn’t become an IBO to leave my job. I actually love my job and have no desire to quit it, but I’m an IBO because I desire to build the passive income that will give me the option to do other things than to wait for my bonus check to come, spend my excess savings or wait until it’s “the right time” to do what I want for my family. No IBO should ever be downing another person who loves what they do or their career. If you want to leave your job, then build the business. If you want to stay at your job but have options, build the business. Either way, you get what you want. Taking a little time to help others shouldn’t be based upon the idea that they HATE what they do or are stupid in doing it. For one, I approach people who I “think” on the surface are successful at what they do. Thus, transitioning them into this business is easier. I hope that they take the same successful mindset they used to help their company grow they can put to use to helping their own business grow.
I'm not sure what CEP program he's listening to, but it sure isn't the one I'm finding value in.
Nope, this guy would have turned me off from day one. That’s not what I’m getting out of this business, but I’ve come to realize that there are a lot of jacked mentalities in this business. However, that’s in ANY business you’re in.
I'm sorry, where does he say that everyone who has a job has "Job Mentality"? That's his definition of it, if you don't fit it, then congratulations for not having Job Mentality.
I think its fair to say that the "average employee" Does try to get the highest pay for the least amount of work. And very few people are Truly "passionate" about their work. (teachers, nurses etc.) I'm an engineer. I don't do it as a hobby on weekends, I wouldn't do it for no pay. I do like teaching Karate... I would and Have done that for free. That I'm passionate about. Do not confuse stomaching your job, or even liking it with "being passionate" about it. Maybe YOU are. Congrats. But the average employee with "job mentality" does not.
TB2 IBO is AKA "Josh" on Beth Dornan's blog. He actually had the audacity to stand behind a lie about 95% of small businesses failing in the first two years. Even after I posted the SBA link that shows roughly 50% of small businesses survive for more than 2 years.
I find it ironic how job mentality is spewed by many IBOs, MOST of them have jobs afterall - so they must have job mentality as well?
So a business owner mentality must be to negotiate the lowest possible wage for the most amount of work. Hmm, seems like the QMOs are the best at that. Get people to lose money and praise you while it's happening.
BTW, my nickname is "Steve" on insider's wesbsite and the job mentality reponse was issued on a question I posed for "Josh".
If maximizing your income for the fewest hours worked is "Job Mentality", then I'll happily wear that badge. I enjoy too many other things outside of work to spend all my time in the shop.
I don't have to look around for my check, it gets directly deposited to my account. That is, the portion that remains after the 401(k), Roth IRA, and ESPP deductions. Does that qualify as knowing how money works? That it can compound, sometimes tax-deferred, in the investments of my choosing?
Chris,
Are you related to Paul? Anyway, I completely disagree with your statement. I know many people who are not passionate about their job who are not out looking for the most pay for the least amount of work.
The comments made on that site smack of disdain for those who have a job, and I think is quite revealing since that was an attitude I saw promoted quite a bit in the Quixtar Motivational organizations. You can try and play word games and spin it all you like to sugar it up, but it still is what it is....Sad and pathetic
What is IBO mentality? To lose money, get others to follow you and praise upline while you're losing money?
1. Amway can change YOUR business name whenever they want. (Quixtar to Awmay)
2. Amway can kick you out whenever they want.
3. Amway can withhold your bonuses whenever they want.
4. Amway supplies you with your products (you don't add ANY product to your business)
5. Amway doesn't allow you to sell anything that would compete with THEIR business.
Why are IBO's still under the impression that they own their own business? They have the worst pay, worst financial security, worst reputation, worst hours, worst support system, worst education, worst leaders, in ANY business and they mock us for earning an honest dollar.
Any IBO who hasn't earned a single penny above the red in their business has no right to make fun of even a nickle I've earned at my J-O-B.
Period.
Thank you, fastshutter, for putting things in perspective
I am not saying there aren't people out there that are willing to squeeze every dollar out of their employers. Chris, I am sorry that you feel that people "stomach their jobs." But meerly saying that the average worker is out there to ring the employer dry for money is not only a crude generalization, it is also rather unfair. If you want to join Network Marketing, that's fantastic. But that doesn't give you the exclusive right to put people down because they have jobs or make brash generalizations and prejudices of "average employees" who opt to take on a second J-O-B for additional income.
"So a business owner mentality must be to negotiate the lowest possible wage for the most amount of work."
So true. If Job Mentality is getting the most money for the least work, then the Business Owner mentality is giving the least money to get the most productivity.
Steve/JoeCool,
One correction there kid about your claim of businesses failing.
I did not claim that 95% fail in the first 2 years. That was your question to me.
I said that the majority of business "fail" (50% or more) in the first 5 years, and 95% within the first 10 years.
If you do some actual research and find the numbers in a couple of reports you will find this to be accurate.
Steve, your definition of business mentality is also near correct. Part of it is negotiate the lowest wage for the most amount of work (it is business).
Also, Truth if you care to view I have answered your post at insider's website.
What is sad is that from your own spinning and comments on here you are putting words into my mouth. And people have a negative slant on what I was defining. Perhaps when they were IBO's they heard Job Mentality as a bad thing, I don't necessarily think that, it is just a definition.
Chris said:
"I think its fair to say that the "average employee" Does try to get the highest pay for the least amount of work."
No, not at all. Let me fix that for you:
"I think it's fair to say that the average LAZY employee, WHO IS HATED BY ALL THEIR CO-WORKERS, tries to get the highest pay for the least amount of work."
That's better.
Chris, you're not talking about Job Mentality for the average worker, you're describing the job mentality of ungreatful teenagers working at McDonalds--which is where you will end up working part-time to pay for your PV and tools if you don't start thinking for yourself.
Only immature teens pride themselves for getting paid to do nothing. The rest of the working world despises that kind of behavior and NEVER rewards it.
I think that this best sums up what kind of people A/Q is interested in. It seems to be the people who do very little at work, who think everything is deserved without doing the work, who are unhappy with their jobs and who will believe in this kind of mentality. I have seen time and time again that those who have quit A/Q did not share anything in common with this kind of mentality. That to me says simply that this is how A/Q thrives. I have always tried to be the kind of employer people would enjoy working for and it got me burned....all for Q*. The IBO who still works for me, clearly has this mentality....always wanting a raise (but also telling me how great he is doing with Q*), always misusing company resources (nothing seious) and not understanding the problem when told about it, and procrastinating when he thinks I'm not looking. Worst of all, every time I need to talk to him about something....good or bad....he has this "I am so much better than you" attitude. Whatever happened to the mentality of treating others as you wish to be treated?
TB 2 IBO,
How sad is this, you first make the statement and then in a sad way try and claim I put words in your mouth. I placed your words here word for word for all to see. I made my comments and from the reaction it seems I was not the only one who saw your comments in the same light.
So why not try something you have never done before, take responsibility for what you wrote instead of trying to spin it after the fact.
"So a business owner mentality must be to negotiate the lowest possible wage for the most amount of work."
I'm not a business owner, but I don't think this necessarily defines "business owner mentality." It seems to me that a smart business owner would like to pay a fair wage and recruit the best talent possible. I doubt skilled workers would stay at a job with crappy pay for long. My company compensates me with competitive salary for what I do, and as a result of that, a wonderful work environment, and other things, I have developed a sense of loyalty to my company and feel invested in the company's success.
I know not all jobs are cosy, but I don't think making these kinds of blanket statements helps anything.
Didn't you know Anna?
The leaders in the tools organizations said that it would be passing negative along. Some of these organizations have a near-Puritan mentality in which those who work a J.O.B. and want to keep working it until they are old are considered to be guilty of "witchcraft and heresy" in their own Quixtar world. Whenever they would have a guest at an open meeting who would constantly answer back the presenter's questions about education and financial progress in complete disagreement to the presenter, they would go out of their way to make the guest feel like a complete fool for speaking his mind. The IBO's in the back would always laugh and make jokes about the "unruly" guest. This wasn't just in my LOS either, which was the Kumar/Gala LOS. This was all over BWW. Anna, you should fire the guy and hire someone who does have a passion for the job, not someone who is simply going to just "stomach the job." If the IBO in your company is doing so great in Quixtar, than he would be able to sustain his lifestyle on the Quixtar income alone, right?
Yeah, thought not. If a person who has a J.O.B. didn't understand how money works, then you wouldn't have bankers, accountants, stock brokers, or anyone else in the financial world.
"Only immature teens pride themselves for getting paid to do nothing."
I'm 27 and you can include me in as well. I would feel deeply honored. But it's not about getting paid to do nothing. You do something in the beginning to make it happen. It's called residual income. Someone said that he wanted to be short term ambitious so to become long term lazy. That's me as well and proud of it!
"The rest of the working world despises that kind of behavior and NEVER rewards it."
Not entirely true. What you mean is that most of the working world (job mentality), despises dreamers and never rewards them with compliments but criticisms. Those who want to do away with job mentality, yet part of the working world, admire them and all work together.
I don't get this whole conversation about job mentality. To me, job mentality describes someone who wants to work for someone else and not worry about the responsibilities that are associated with owning a business. I think that is great if that is their choice. Owning a business can bring all kinds of stresses that at times I could do without.
To say that job mentality is wanting the most amount of money for the least amount of effort is a flat out lie. That is why I own a business. Sometimes that least amount of effort equates to 60,70, or 80 hours a week, especially in the beginning. As I grew my business and leveraged the abilities of people that work for me, those hours became much less than a standard work week.
I think this whole conversation shows that the average Amway/Quixtar IBO doesn't stop to critically ananlyze some of the stuff that comes down from the top. It is a business and should be scrutinized as that. I think I learned some good principles in my time in A/Q that certainly helped me later in owning a real business. However, there sure was a lot of garbage as well that I didn't realize was garbage while I was drinking the kool-aid.
It's sad to see people persist in a bad business model with very little chance of success. As Casey Combden used to say, "they don't know, what they don't know." I'll add to that, they only know what their upline tells them they know.
TB 2 IBO, I'd like to see the links of the studies that say 95% of businesses fail within 10 years. I can buy your 50% fail within five year, (http://app1.sba.gov/faqs/faqindex.cfm?areaID=24), but I don't buy the other part. Also, what is your definition of failure? The SBA considers businesses owned by the original owner for their "survival" rate, and any business bought either by another entrepeneur or larger business is considered something that didn't "survive." And for my money, if someone started a business and sold it for several times their initial investment, that's not a failure.
Josh/TB2IBO is a liar. Read his December 18th entry and then read this post with link provided.
http://insidequixtar.opportunityzone.com/2007/06/14/Not-your-fathers-Amway.aspx#comments
Josh said:
Monday, July 23, 2007 | #
JC,
How do explain that 95% of people who start businesses in the US will fail after 5 years, and 90+% of those that survive after that first 5 years will also fail in the next 5 years. What is the lose compared to what an IBO would lose after 10 years?? Figure that out and you will see what she means.
Another Josh/TB2IBO lie. It's on the same link I provided above:
Josh said:
Wednesday, July 25, 2007 | #
From what I found JC the SBA says that 95% percent fail in the first five years. And over 50% (not sure why they word it that way) fail in the first year. That is what I found at SBA.gov. Did you check it out?
Truth,
No what is sad is that you have to have an opinion and put your spin on it first before anyone else is allowed to voice an opinion.
People on this blog read and believe what you say as gospel. Or at the very least what you say has weight on the opinion of others who obviously follow you blindly.
I submit to you that had you said,"that is a fair assessment of job mentality" (whether you believe it or not), people's opinions would be drastically different.
The way you should have posted it is simply this. Here is what TB2IBO said on insider's blog...What do you all think? Allow for the OPEN forum, then after a set period time put your own two cents on the subject matter.
That is fair and unbiased with no spin.
And I do take responsibility for what I said, and I still stand behind it.
I like how TB 2 IBO keeps referring to people as "Kid". It's the second time I've seen it from him, and it seems a little condescending if you ask me.
No what is sad is that you have to have an opinion and put your spin on it first before anyone else is allowed to voice an opinion.
I guess I must be missing something here, you say it is sad that I have an opinion before anyone else? Please answer for me how many voiced opinions am I supposed to wait for before I am allowed to voice my own? This must be some new control factor being introduced in QMOs.
People on this blog read and believe what you say as gospel. Or at the very least what you say has weight on the opinion of others who obviously follow you blindly.
WOW, you just can't keep that foot out of your mouth. First you insult people with jobs, now you are insulting those who read this blog. Apparently you think they are too stupid to formulate their own opinions and that they must rely on my interpretations. Trust me when I say you are giving me wayyyyy too much credit here. I submit far more people are walking blind in Quixtar then will ever on this blog.
I submit to you that had you said,"that is a fair assessment of job mentality" (whether you believe it or not), people's opinions would be drastically different.
You are right people's opinions of my post would be drastically different, because instead of the majority agreeing with my post, the majority would have been blasting me for such a crappy "assessment" of your definition. Also, if I would have wrote that it would have been lying, since your assessment was anything but fair.
The way you should have posted it is simply this. Here is what TB2IBO said on insider's blog...What do you all think? Allow for the OPEN forum, then after a set period time put your own two cents on the subject matter.
Well thank you for the comments on how I should have posted it. Next time I will be sure to converse with you first and see how you would like me to write my opinion about your comments before I do so. Of course that is if the proper number of opinions have been given so that I am not giving mine before anyone else. This blog has been and always will be open to any and all opinions, and unlike you I think people are smart enough to formulate their own opinion no matter what I may say about it.
And I do take responsibility for what I said, and I still stand behind it.
So then my post is spot on. You don't think very highly of those who have jobs. You see them as leeches only out for what they can get for as little output as possible. I know you have been living fat and happy over in spinsiderville where you can freely change and spin your words and everyone will agree because you are an IBO. Unfortunately for you, you have stepped into a whole new world over here where the commenters will hold you to your word, and can recognize pathetic spin from a mile away. They are not the blind pathetic drones you are trying to make them out to be.
http://www.sba.gov/gopher/Business-Development/Success-Series/Vol1/Win1/win11.txt
Here is an article posted on the SBA.GOV site. I don't know what sort of censorship they have but they post the 95% in 5 years in this article. (not the one I based my findings on). There is a report, I am trying to find it again, where they list specifically the startup numbers and closing numbers of businesses over the past 20-30 years, among other great information. When we were discussing this before I pointed out I could only find 1 year where the start/failure rate exceeded 95%. Most other years were 80+%. Still a large margin nonetheless. If I can find it again I will post the link.
JC--We discussed this issue on a couple blogs. As far as your post at 7:46pm of my quote--I will take responsibility for that being a misquote on my part.
What I found was that 50+% fail in 5 years and aside from my explanation above, the SBA did not mention businesses after 10 years at that time. It may have changed since then, but that is what I found.
I do not have a problem with admitting a mistake, and I appreciate your due diligence to call me out. As much as we disagree Steve, I do respect you. Most of the time we are civil.
VidBomb--also my apologies if my referring to people as "kid" is offensive to you. It is not meant as a "condescending" remark or label. It is slang where I am from. Much like dude or bro.
It is funny how quickly posts here derail from the original topic.
Also funny how my posts need to be reviewed by the author. Could be everyone, but don't remember seeing that on my first post.
What's sad is Josh/TB2IBO lying about small business failure/success.
Is it in a feeble attempt to promote amway/quixtar as a better alternative to a traditional business?
What's the failure rate of Amway/Quixtar businesses? 99%+ in the first year?
WOW, Do you read your own writing? Furthermore do you adhere to your own rules?
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Perhaps you should not participate since you do not know who I am or what I believe. But alas, I am sure you feel better now that you put me in my place.
You argue for argument's sake. You don't promote change, discourse, or civility. You only offer your negative slant on a Quixtar business and anyone who is associated with it.
It is no wonder why people are going to Insider's blog more than yours, even though your blog has been around longer. Also it is amazing that he doesn't have to screen anyone's comments there, where here if anyone has a different viewpoint than you, they are subject to censorship. That in and of itself is very revealing!
Too bad for you.
Steve, if you wish to continue are discussion you can do so at "spinsider's" haha
That's funny after that last ramble I responded to I was going to ask you if you read what you write, ROFL!! Especially after that nonsense about where I apparently must wait for other to have an opinion before I am allowed one (BTW, you never answered the question), and where I should converse with you so I know what I should write about your comments, LOL!!!
First of all those are not my rules, they are the rules of the owner of this blog.
Second, show me where I have broken any of those rules. Hint, just because you don't like my post doesn't make it a personal attack etc.
Nice to see though that you have moved on to the next step when you can't handle being held to your words. You have decided to make some outrageous claims and go back to the safe confines of spinsiderville where your beliefs don't get questioned and therefore you never have to question yourself. But like I said you stepped into a whole new world here and apparently you weren't ready for it.
Also, for your information all comments here have to be approved to prevent spam. For every comment I approve I have to delete at least 6 spam messages. Even my comments have to get approved to be published.
It's sad that you have had to resort to trying to play victim now. If you were being censored I don't think you would see your comments showing up. It's hilarious though that you bring this up even though every single one of your comments got published.
I can't help but almost fall on the floor from laughter over your comments about this blog. Perhaps next time you might want to do your homework before making such comments. But from what JoeCool tells us you seem prone to having these outbursts. Perhaps you will return when you are less sensitive to someone having the nerve to actually question a comment by you. Touchy, touchy!!
Thanks Josh, I visit IBOFB's website regularly, but don't always post messages.
I think this section is moderated because, well, you should have seen some previous threads.
Reasons why I hate having a job (why you must hate too if so you choose to):
http://www.mercola.com/2002/nov/2/stress_work.htm
http://discovermagazine.com/2003/dec/job-stress-may-be-killing-you
http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20050923/job-stress-may-raise-heart-disease-risk
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSWRI97453820071009
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/298/14/1652
http://www.nyp.org/news/hospital/job-stress-risk.html
http://www.healthcentral.com/heart-disease/news-161628-31.html
Proud IBO,
Sorry, but even running a Quixtar business can cause the same amount of stress that a job can. The motivational organizations love painting this picture that having a job is nothing but stress and worry, but having a Quixtar business is like heavenly bliss.
Frankly I say it's a crock, I have known many who felt less stress after terminating their Quixtar business and either moving onto another business or just working their jobs.
Bottom line, if your job or business is causing you too much unhealthy stress, you might be in the wrong line of work, and it is time to look for something new.
Wouldn't a business owner mentality
be looking at the bottom line, cutting expenses and making changes to the business to ensure maximum profitability.
That is something IBOs don't appear to do.
okay, look...I used to be an IBO. My marriage ended, my ex got the business. I am starting over again now, after waiting a few years. First, "job mentality" is being misunderstood. We do not judge anyone who wants to work for someone else, that is your choice. We simply give you opportunity to work for yourself. And yes, I work for myself in this business. I set my hours, I determine how hard I want to work. I pay taxes on my business. Some of our prominent upline still continue to work at their jobs, because they do love them, they simply wanted more income. I want to be home with my kids, eventually. Quixtar gives me opportunity to do that. "job mentality" means thinking there is no other way. Trading hours for dollars that someone else determines, for the rest of your life. I know (because I have done it before) that I can double my income in less than a year. And if I get sick and need a day off, I don't have to call the boss, I am the boss. I do not judge anyone, I don't say that Quixtar is the only way, to be honest, for many, it's not the way, and that's okay. And as far as cutting expenses etc....I don't have very many at all, so to say we don't do that makes absolutely no sense. I ask that you be informed before making judgements. And I am not Amway, period. I have distribution rights for Access Business Group products, a company that purchased Amway rights in the US. Access Business Group is owned by the same people that started Quixtar. We have partnerships and distribution arrangements with many businesses. Some of which I am sure all of you have shopped at. I wonder if you realize how some of your comments hurt those of us who have never judged you? You have no idea how we run our businesses, how we as individuals do things. I am not Quixtar, I do not work for Quixtar, I am me, and my business is nothing like the comments posted here.
Starr said-- "I wonder if you realize how some of your comments hurt those of us who have never judged you?"
We could ask many IBO's the same thing.
Obviously, not everyone in Quixtar thinks the same way, but the majority say the same things like "J.O.B= Just Over Broke". "Dream Stealer", "Loser" "Slave" etc etc etc.
Since there are 100's of thousands of people involved with AmQuix it's impossible to single out the good and the bad. But the majority, are bad and also say very hurtful things. They DO judge those who put in an honest days work for their pay. And they also criticize those who don't agree with the AmQuix business model or many of their ethics.
It's almost comical, with some of the things I hear, when in reality, most people who work a J.O.B are much better off, financially, than 95+% of IBO's so they get defensive and say hurtful things. I'm pretty sure nobody on here, or any other blog, judges the IBO's as individuals, but rather, they judge the operation as a whole, and as a whole, it sucks
I also take issue with the characterization of employees as people who want to make the most money for the least amount of work. I am a proud employee of a great company. When I first started my job, I wasn't very busy as I was still learning the ropes. But I continually asked for more work, yes, asked for more work, because I wanted to learn more, contribute more, and I wanted my company to get their money's worth. I also asked for more challenging work and volunteered to be on committees and to take on projects. If I were the kind of person that TB2IBO describes, I would be satisfied with just doing the easy routine work. I don't know anyone whom I work closely with that fits TB2IBO's description. We are all intelligent hardworking people and we derive fulfillment from what we do.
As for not knowing how money works if you are an employee, does anyone remember the story of the older African American woman who worked her entire life as a maid and who never made a significant income but died and lived a surprisingly large amount to a charity or similar organization? (Don't recall the exact details.) On the contrary, it is quite evident that many IBOs don't know the first thing about how money works.
Sure, there are lazy people who want to get money for nothing, but to generalize this attitude to all employees is insulting to employees everywhere. Anyway, TB2IBO is just regurgitating what he's heard in his system. So it's not really his definition. I heard the exact same thing while in BWW. Perhaps when the big pins were employees, they were lazy good-for-nothings and so they think that the rest of us are like that.
Posted by: rara | December 16, 2007 1:06 AM