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May 10, 2007
Sharks are in the water
By Truth in Amway
UPDATE: Dale has sent me an e-mail requesting that I remove or edit his e-mail address so that the "bots" don't pick it up and spam him to death. I wonder if Dale thought about that before sending out his own spam e-mail. I don't recall asking for an e-mail about how great his opportunity is compared to Quixtar or Amway. At any rate I will have mercy on Dale and do as he wishes, but I thought this was a nice lesson in "what comes around goes around." I hope there were not too many bots that picked up his e-mail address before I could make the change.
Well it was bound to happen but I didn't think I would be the recipient of one of the e-mails. Well a gentleman by the name of Dave Windle sent me an e-mail. The entire e-mail follows with only his phone number blanked out:
Hi Drew:
Not sure if you are aware of this, but Amway UK (the business operates as Amway outside of Canada and the US where it operates as Quixtar) has just implemented the first stage of a company wide, world wide clamp down on the Business Support Materials (BSM) business.
The BSM business is extremely lucrative for the big "king pin" diamonds and is causing massive problems for the business. It has for years - that's one of the main reasons why we as Emeralds, who were full time in the business decided to become side line rather than active IBOs. There are other reasons as well, that I'd be pleased to discuss with you.
Have a look at the email sent to UK IBOs and contact me if you'd like to discuss an alternative that we have moved over to with several other Emeralds and other high pins, with a free support system, fairly priced advertising tools, free prospecting web sites, free seminars, a pay plan that pays out more than double what the Quixtar Plan pays and with 100%+ growth per year, not the current 1% per year for Quixtar.
Letter: from Ben Woodward Branch Manager Amway UK UK/ROI IBO
Communication
May 4, 2007
To: UK/ROI IBO Leader
From: Ben Woodward, Branch Manager, Amway UK
RE: Significant change to Amway's mode of operations in UK/Republic of Ireland.
This letter is to inform you of significant changes to the way Amway will conduct its business in the UK and Republic of Ireland. These changes are effective immediately. While these changes may cause short-term challenges for some of our IBOs, we strongly believe the changes will make our long-term business in the UK/RoI stronger.
Effective Immediately: 4 May 07.
Amway will prohibit the production, sale or promotion of BSM that are not authorized and distributed by Amway; this includes websites. This includes any BSM (books, tapes, meetings, CD's, websites) that have been already been approved by Amway UK/RoI. They are now considered unauthorized for use.
All meetings for which an entry fee is charged are suspended until Amway has approved, in writing, the meeting and its content;
Amway has imposed a moratorium on sponsoring new IBOs for at least 60 days and until current IBOs are re-trained and re-qualified; We are evaluating all costs associated with joining Amway;
We are also sanctioning a number of IBOs based on contract violations that have come to our attention.
Failure to comply with the above mentioned points 1 to 3 will lead to a suspension and/or termination of the respective IBO contract. Please also note that Amway is in no way limited to these sanctions, but can impose further corrective or punitive measures.
In addition, the company is announcing a thorough review of its business practices globally with the goal of ensuring a consistent, rigorously enforced set of rules and regulations governs its relationships with IBOs and consumers.
That global audit has begun, and we expect it to be completed in June, and will share the results with you later this summer.
These are important steps, but in some ways, they are not surprising ones. Many of you know that for the past 10 years, Amway has been moving to exert more control over the way we do business globally.
In newer markets that has meant, for example, outright bans or tight restrictions on the sale of non-company BSMs and the requirement of a more consistent, approved messaging and branding by IBOs about the Amway business opportunity.
While most changes in other markets have been carried out gradually around the world according to our timetable, we need to move more quickly here. This is in response to serious concerns raised about Amway by the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) following the receipt of complaints about BSMs and misrepresentation of the business to prospective IBOs.
At this time, we can not specify when sponsoring will be allowed to resume. We will continue to communicate with key international and local IBO leadership to update them on developments of a new operational mode in UK and Republic of Ireland.
Enquiries
For example, if any IBO has a planned meeting for which tickets have been sold (that is required to be cancelled and ticket purchases refunded), or they have unsold inventory of BSM, or have unsold Starter kits, or have completed applications not yet submitted to Amway, they may contact the dedicated enquiry telephone number 01908-629400 (press option 4).
In the following weeks, we will seek to meet with you personally to discuss the implications of this policy change and respond to any questions you may have. Meanwhile, please feel free to call me at 01908-629404.
Amway has been in the UK/RoI for more than 30 years, and today is a strong, growing £13 million business with more than 100 staff and 30,000 IBOs. We are entering into a challenging period of time.
But we believe in this business, we believe in our values and we believe in our IBOs. We are committed to making the changes we need to make in order to ensure the continued growth and success of Amway in the UK/RoI.
BEN WOODWARD
Branch Manager UK / RoI
Here's what Networking Marketing expert Ty Tribble has stated as well:
"...this is a shot over the bow of Quixtar in the U.S. This is about Alticor showing the IBO Leaders (Britt , Winters , Puryear , Woodward , Yager , etc) that the company is serious about cleaning up the training and tools mess.
If the old school tools boys don't clean up their act, it is now apparent that the company will step in and clean house.
But...(you knew that was coming, didn't you?)
But, Quixtar is not nearly as lucrative as an opportunity if you remove the tools income that begins in many cases at the Platinum level. I would even go as far as saying that the tools income is what keeps Amway/Quixtar leaders from leaving for a different company with a better compensation plan.
Quixtar pays out roughly 30% back to it's IBO base, yet the average of the top 30 companies in the industry is roughly 37% payout. Why would IBO Leaders stick around Amway/Quixtar for years when there is more money to be made elsewhere? It's all about the secondary business of books, CDs, seminars, voice mail, and web sites, collectively know as the tools business. Take away the tools business and Quixtar Leaders are paid 20% (a conservative number) less than leaders in other companies for the same volume.
The IBO leaders are in a bit of a bind. They clean up their act or the leaders keep on trucking and Quixtar comes in and cleans up. Either way the leaders stand to lose a lot of money.
Will all of this be better for the individual Amway/Quixtar IBO? Probably. Would the individual Quixtar IBO be better off by finding a new opportunity at this point? Probably. I would be willing to bet that BIG TIME IBO leaders are already looking around at other opportunities."
Feel free to contact me if you'd like to discuss an alternative that we have moved over to with several other Emerald and other high pins.
___________________
Dale Windle
Day: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Eve: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Find all the meeting dates, free training system and free mp3s audio downloads at our support web site - ask me for the login details.
All the news about what is going on in the UK is interesting. I have my own comments and thoughts that I will write in a later post. By the way I checked out Dave's site he has put down for his e-mail address and for a business who claims to have a better system then Amway/Quixtar he might want to try and get his links fixed. Too many page not found errors on that site when clicking links. At any rate it is apparent that the sharks are in the waters and some are smelling blood over the Amway/UK news.
Comments
I got the same email, only mine I think said Ty was a "guru". I wrote Dave back and told him I wasn't jumping ship to join Goji.
I said I didn't like the guru label, too. He must have changed it.
I wished Mr. Windle "good luck" in his new venture. He wrote me back and said, "10-4, see you at the top"
Dave
For the record, I don't know this person. I never gave them (or anyone) permission to use my blog post in promotional materials and my post never mentioned anything about contacting me to discuss an alternative. The above post makes it look like that was part of my original post, which is not the case.
That said, I stand behind the content. There are better opportunities than Amway/Quixtar and that is a fact.
Ibofightback's use of "there" instead of "their" and "your" instead of "you're" at times makes me wonder if these are typos or if this person is a team of paid hacks.
"I wrote Dave back"
I meant to say, "Dale"
these MLMers are funny, they can spam but they don't want the taste of their own medicine.
Btw drew, same post in two blogs? C'mon. Post in one place and link it from other.
"Amway and Quixtar is not perfect, but ever wonder why the competitors aren't even a third the size?"
When we got involved, we were told to switch our shopping habits from the brick-and-mortar stores to shopping from "our own store." "If you owned a Ford dealership," they'd say," you wouldn't drive a Chevy."
So you're competing not only against other MLMs, but against brick-and-mortar stores, too. Stating that your competitors "aren't even a third the size" must not include WalMart, Walgreen's, Albertson's, Penney's, and many of the other Fortune 500 retail stores.
But then again, if you're going to base your argument on thinking small...
The only reason for the size of AmQuix is the abuse of IBOs that have compelled them to make purchases for products they could have gotten at other stores for less money. Take away the abuses and my guess is you'd have a company AT LEAST half the size. (Can you say 1960s?)
Blood in the water? I think so.
PW
JC - wouldn't make you think I'm just an IBO with a blog who makes typos occasionally while posting? I'd hope that if I was paid I'd do a better job of proofreading :-)
insider - no, because when most people know how to use the terms, they don't loosely make the mistakes you're making.
It makes it seem like you are some kind of PR hack - paid or unpaid.
Joecool,
I didn't know you were the grammar and spelling police!
It's ok for you to make the same occaisional spelling and grammar mistakes, but not ok for others?
Besides, If they were "paid hacks", wouldn't a requirement for the job be knowing how to correct typo's and grammar errors before they post?
Mike, I am not the grammar police, but since insider claims he was once a (sarcasm on) doctor, medical researcher, DNA specialist, etc., one would think he would know the proper use of these terms no?
Joecool,
Well yeah of course someone who's "edumacated" would need to know proper spelling and grammar-but so should paid hacks...
Sarcasm back at ya.
Mike, the point about "Insider's" grammar was in support of a larger supposition, of which you may be unaware if you are relatively new, which is that JoeCool thinks that Insider may be a screenname with multiple personas at the keyboard.
In fact, it is Insider's previous level of erudition and precise use of the language (albeit in defense of the nearly indefensible) that leads one to question his true identity in light of his more recent common, banal, even errant use of a language over which at least on of his personas has excellent command.
Frankly, I never bought into JoeCool's "conspiracy theory", but recent posts have given me a more open mind to the possibilities.
Mike, so why doesn't insider have command of basic grammar?
CK, another little tidbit I noticed about insider was his use of the letter "S". Sometimes he wil spell words like organisations, which I took as a cultural difference, but sometimes he will spell it organizations with a "Z".
But the misuse of "their" and "there" and "your" and "you're", I don't believe those to be typos.
Joecool,
Mike, so why doesn't insider have command of basic grammar?
I've thought about it. Hmmm, insider could be paid NOT to use great grammar or spelling skills. Ya know, to blend in with the natives?
Cool, i figured itll happen soon. Welp, doesnt bug me. Im absolutely 0 expenses now, no tools, no site, no meetings *rollseyes*
Oyeah, hi everyone =)
JoeCool - having lived in Europe and Australia, intechanging the "s" with a "z" on occassion is not a surprise, and would be consistent with the rest of Insider's story.
It's not just the misuse of "their, there, they're" that gives me pause, but the overall syntax of some recent posts which, frankly, while not technically incorrect, also leave a little to be desired, especially in comparison to Insider's previously adept use of the language.
I didn't agree with much of what he wrote, but I certainly appreciated Insider's ability to write a legible and occassionally elegant sentence. A skill that I doubly enjoyed when compared with trying to wade through the over/under punctuated, stream-of-consciousness drivel written by some of his cohorts.
This is an excellent point to dismiss those pesky mall-stalkers...
A: "Hi.. are you interested in expanding your income thru vertically-aligned-peer-to-peer-business-cooperative?"
Me: "Do you know about what happened with these kind of bidnez in UK?"
CK - you are right. I started to notice different spelling of words, usages of various words, and the general command of verbage.
Either insider's getting dumb/dumber or his alter ego doesn't have as good a command of the English language.
Did I mention that insider posts from 3-4 different IP addresses?
As you enjoy your first cup of coffee this morning: http://amwaynews.alticorblogs.com/2007/05/24/you-asked-for-it/
Yup, just like amway only better. Been hearing it for years. And most, like that one where your "mlm expert" was an executive - well, a few years later there not even in business. Amway and Quixtar is not perfect, but ever wonder why the competitors aren't even a third the size?
Posted by: ibofightback | May 10, 2007 7:38 PM