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May 15, 2007
Quixtar Leaders want your help
By Truth in A/QMOs
Our old friend Xanadustc forwarded me an e-mail today which was sent to him by someone named Steve. Steve claims to be part of a Quixtar Leadership Team called QTalk. He says they are looking for information about challenges experienced with Quixtar. Anyway there is a video uploaded to YouTube which is posted below, and they also have a forum that was created to field the information.
Could it be that some leaders are trying to get themselves out of the circle of complaints that Network 21 currently finds themselves in? I suppose time will only tell.
Comments
Steve, with all due respect, you need to get suggestions from credible sources. Try the FTC first and see what they have to say with regard to the Quixtar compensation plan and credibility. These web blogs do not qualify as credible sources. It's mostly about opinions and rumors.
Of course Cristian's idea of credible is anything that agrees with his ideals.
Cristian you have however made one mistake and that is you obviously jumped the gun without doing your homework. Something that is common with you I am afraid.
If you watch the video and check out the forum they are looking for feedback from those who are IBOs or were IBOs. What more credible source to get information about the challenges with building a Quixtar business.
Also for blogs like these being nothing more then rumor and opinion they sure have gotten some good stuff accomplished for IBOs.
Are you really naive enough to believe that any changes would have come about if there was no negative image on the net?
I too received that letter/email.
Ok, I posted a copy of the email on the critics section of the forum.
Steve -
(In case you are reading here):
I'm going to go visit your site and see about offering suggestions, but for you I'm going to make a suggestion that applies to your video - please use instrumental music. The vocalist singing behind you distracts from your message and, at least for me, makes it harder to pay attention to YOUR message, which is, after all, the reason I clicked PLAY.
Thanks.
PW
It amuses me to no end how the BS "FTC approves Quixtar" mantra gets repeated ad nauseum by system-addicted IBOs.
Hey Christian, why not find some defenses for having a Quixtar IBOship that actually hold water, or at least make sense?
The FTC didn't "approve" of quixtar. The FTC never even investigated quixtar. They checked out amway and although legal, there were some concerns, and Amway did get fined by the FTW for having false income claims.
Don Incognito, I'm sorry but English is second language for me and I don't understand well yet English expressions like "hold water" when you talk about Quixtar and "hold water". I understand, "hold water" is like "hold peepee".
PW...
Yes this is me. I appreciate you posting this in your forum. I really am looking for open dialog on this subject. Can I post a link to my forum from here? Since you are a moderator in this forum it is the respectful to ask.
Lets talk Quixtar and some of the misconceptions you may have. We have gone in detail with some of the subject matter complaints in our forum.
I believe we can some good debates in both forums. Thanks for creating this site.
Cristian,
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/add2ie.htm (or something similar for your favorite browser)
Lets you highlight and right click on a word or a phrase and look it up. This particular expression would have given you the following result...
"hold water
To stand up to critical examination: Your explanation doesn't hold water."
May not always help... E.g., I couldn't look up "hold peepee" by this method...
Now that we have cleared this up, please respond to Don's post...
Wait a minute, is it possible that you are not listening to enough tapes, because that should have enriched your English by now... ;-)
Steve -
I did not create this site.
And if you are interested in, as you say, "open dialog on this subject," you will have to engage me in it here. You are too scared to engage in it on your own site, creating special rules just for me, blocking me from responding to posts, preventing me from starting new topics or even accessing my own profile.
Nope, I'm done with your site, regardless of whether or not you choose to continue participating here.
PW
Hello Steve,
My name is Cristian Anton and I am a young Quixtar powered IBO.
You might have probably had the chance to study the material hosted on:
www.thisbiznow.com
www.quixtarfacts.com
www.iboai.com
Since I am not your personal mentor and hence, don't know what level you are at, all I can do is to suggest you to get the answers to your questions from mature, business focused resources such as the ones mentioned above.
Forums are not exactly the best place to gain such knowledge especially when the credibility of the sources is in question. After all, neither was your mentor credible at first however, you got to meet him and learn more about him. Have you meet anyone on this forum yet? Thus, how more credible can the forum people be except for being anonymous? By proceeding in this direction, you will gradually discover the substance of the forum debates centering around the Quixtar opportunity.
One credible source I can point you to is the Federal Trade Commission:
www.ftc.gov
1-877-FTC-HELP (382-4357)
Call and ask: "I have been approached with an opportunity called Quixtar. Is this a genuine opportunity or just another scam out there?"
Type in for searching the word "Quixtar" and you will obtain a coverage of Quixtar powered IBOs testimonies.
If Quixtar were a scam then, would the FTC be foolish enough to promote a scam by publishing testimonies of success, as recent as April 12, 2007?
On the contrary, the word would be out for sure: "STAY AWAY!"
This gives me the credibility I need for with the FTC backing up of Quixtar, I know I am in safe hands when it comes to integrity, business and mentorship.
I wish you all the best and stay focused regardless of whatever negative someone says about your ambition, your dream, your business. You can do it.
So do these jokers really want our help? Or do they want our help if it supports their cause?
Cristian, tell us - what does the FTC say about quixtar?
Publishing testmonials is not an endorsement of quixtar. The FTC just posted what IBOs sent them - and I'm SURE some upline encouraged their drones to send in positive testimonials.
Joe - since I've encountered the same things that PW has - I'd say they only want to hear from us as long as we say what THEY want. They have NO connection to Amway other than being IBOs.
Actually, the information is presented in a VERY misleading way and I'm embarrassed that I got sucked in by it.
Deb
Just to be sure I'm uinderstanding your claim, Christian...are you really saying that the Federal Trade Commission "publish[ed] testimonies of success, as recent[ly] as April 12, 2007"?
If so, care to provide either a link or the name and date of the publication?
And if you don't care to, why not?
http://search.ftc.gov/query.html?qt=quixtar&col=hsr&col=news&col=full
Joecool18,
"The FTC just posted what IBOs sent them..."
Yes, FTC did that. The IBOSs did post their positive experiences. Some did probably post negative experiences too. In such case, if complaints were filled and likely were in the past, prior to April 12, 2007, don't you think that the FTC would have investigated the situation and Quixtar's potential role behind it? They did do that, that is a no brainer. Somehow, April 12, 2007 came and Quixtar still operates and might I add, thrives and will continue to thrive for a long time to come. I am proud to be a Quixtar powered IBO.
Deb (and all),
I'm not embarrassed at all that I went to Steve's site and participated. I'm still making remarks here and there in his forum, although I'm done treating it as I treat my other boards.
I offer my respect to anyone who asks for input with some measure of sincerity. What they do with that input can be seen as the measure of who they are. If they disagree with the input, there are respectful ways to make that known. If they agree with it, they will adopt it.
What Steve has done is reveal himself for who he really is. We had to accept his invitation in order to discover that. We answered a sincere and respectful invitation to his forum, and in response, we are treated with rudeness and disdain.
My offer of respect has been refused.
And so it goes...
PW
Cristian,
You are such a fabricator of the truth it is truly sickening. I don't know if you do this on purpose or you just post comments before ever doing your homework.
The comments that the FTC posted are comments in response to their consideration of making rule changes that would affect the MLM industry. They took comments from people who wanted their say and then made public what people had to say about their proposed rule change.
It had nothing to do with FTC and Quixtar experiences, and the FTC did not do anything to validate what was sent to them, they simply reposted all the comments they got. Anyone could have sent in any story and it would have gotten published.
If your fabrication of truth is any sign of how some IBOs operate then there is a good chance some of those stories are fabbed up nicely as well. Heck, IBOs lie everyday about their success, what stops them from telling the same BS stories to the FTC?
pw... you are a funny little man and you make me laugh. You make all these claims to cover your butt when you are not in control of things. So let me make this clear for you.. on our forum registered members and guests have limited access because I know people like you will go off on tangents.
We have areas that are just "READ ONLY" because those areas are informational only. We close topics because listening to the ramblings of childlike adults gets to be annoying whenever you go OFF TOPIC. If you had the intelligence to keep your comments to the topic at hand then that would be ok.
Instead you go off spouting about how murders and suicides are linked to Quixtar when the topic of that thread was on another subject entirely. I will be contacting Quixtar making them aware of your accusations shortly. Instead of getting emotional about Eric why don't you view his retractions to the claims in his book.
Since you are a moderator you know the concept of "Flood Control". This limits how many posts a person can make within a few minutes. If someone makes several posts in a short amount of time then the forum itself will not allow that post to be posted.
I never claimed I was associated with Quixtar other than an IBO, however, we are a leaders in our group and we are presenting the positive side of the business. Unfortunately, sites like this one will not allow for honest debate on the subject per the little man... pw.
Our forum was not created to entice hostility between people with different points of view. We created it as an opportunity for both sides to share theirs. Instead we have the rantings of a few close minded people.
There has been a few positive effects from my experiences with you.
1) Several of your members have made comments on what we could do to improve it. It is still a work in progress but I thank you for your suggestions.
2) Because of sites like yours many IBO's have become aware of challenges within some (repeat some) organizations. Many of us who feel proud to be associated with Quixtar are working together to show the positive side.
Quixtar is not as bad as you claim, but with the cooperation of many IBO's working together we are making a difference. Have a good one... Peace
Steve,
Let me clear up some apparent misconceptions you have about this site. PW, while a moderator in the forums (and a good one) does not control the debate on this site, and considering that pretty much every comment made whether it agrees with us or not gets posted I would say the debate here is as honest as you will find.
I would suggest reading the About page on this site to know who plays what role on Quixtar Blog.
If memory serves, there are exactly two people who have ever been removed from the QBlog Forum because of the way they behaved there. A couple of others have had warnings issued to them, and they either shaped up or left.
I have never altered someone else's post to change or conceal its message. I have never deleted a post that was not spam. I have never moved a person's post to another thread without receiving approval from the author. I have never acted alone in making a decision about the membership status of someone in the group. I have never locked a thread in order to prevent a contrary point of view from being expressed.
You, Steve, have done ALL of these things. You may call me a "little man," but those who read and those who explore know the truth.
Oh, and for the second time, this is NOT my site - not the blog or the forum. I do not own it or control it. I fail to understand what is difficult about that concept.
Laugh all you want. It's good for you.
PW
Steve,
You're a joke. If you want free discussion, why do you control what is stated on your site? Why not allow
free speech and let readers decide where the truth lies?
Cristian - you need to take a class in logic.
I know all the leaders I look up to readily call others ‘little man.’
They also whine ‘I’m going to tell…’
Here’s my favorite part:
“…we are a leaders in our group and we are presenting the positive side of the business.”
Any idea when you’re going to start? Because, what you’ve shown here so far isn’t very positive at all. In fact, it fits the negative stereotype to a ‘T’.
“Instead we have the rantings of a few close minded people.”
Are we talking about those valuable training CDs again?
“Unfortunately, sites like this one will not allow for honest debate on the subject…”
Perhaps you should stop leading for a second and actually do some more research – there is quite a bit of honest debate on the pros and cons here.
Unfortunately, you have to heavily regulate your content to get enough positive skew to suit your definition … and that’s not really ‘honest’, is it?
PW -
I was just reviewing our forum and I was in error about owning QBlog. This is what you said:
"I am a moderator at the QuixtarBlog Forum, and I own and moderate the MLM Survivors Club Yahoo Group.
The MLM Survivors Club is for people who have been harmed by the abusive MLMs and is not limited to Amway/Quixtar. You are probably not interested in visiting them.
The QBlog Forum, on the other hand, welcomes both pro- and anti-Amway/Quixtar voices."
My bad... I was thinking this was the MLM Survivors Club and this quote gave the impression that I was not welcome to post there. We started QTalk to find out why people did not like Quixtar from the business side and not the emotional side which I have seen many people post in these types of forums.
We will continue to add material to our forum in the guest / registered member area, however we are building other areas of the forum as well. I was asked by DEB which leaders are starting to move in the direction QTalk is going and I did make a post with a link for your viewing. This is just a small sample of the leaders who are changing with the times.
I appreciate these types of forums because without your negativity the positive changes would not be happening..
Thanks
whhhnnnnyyyyy
Posted by: ken | May 15, 2007 3:13 PM