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January 21, 2007
Buy from yourself
By Drew in A/QMOs
Every time I showed the Quixtar Plan to a prospect there was always that one page which showed how simple the plan was. We would always tell the prospect that there were two simple parts to this plan and they were:
1. Buy from yourself
2. Teach others to do the same.
Now the legality and the flaws with this concept have been debated over many, many times and I am not going to get into any of that in this article. What I am going to get into however is something I find hypocritical in the "buy from yourself" concept.
Buy from yourself was always promoted by my group and pretty much at every single BWW (Britt World Wide) event that I was at (I was at every single one until I decided to quit). Sheets would get handed out showing us how easy it was to do 300 points just by eating meal replacement bars and drinking XS energy drinks, or simply by buying vitamins and proteins shakes, etc. Time and again it was stressed to never have a product in your house from Wal-Mart when you could buy it from your own business. We would be told to stop making Wal-Mart and Target rich and instead buy from yourself.
Even partner stores were included in this concept. Just because you couldn't find a product on the Quixtar website was no excuse to not buy from yourself because most likely what you were looking for was available from one of Quixtar's partner stores. Basically, anything less then 100% product use from your own store was unacceptable.
Well….almost unacceptable. You see at every function I attended there was this large display that would be right outside the hall the was holding the function. There were suits, nice shirts, polos, ties, pens, etc, etc. The company was Diamond Clothiers and Bill Britt from what I understand had a stake in that little business. At every function there would be several IBOs buying suits, shirts, and everything else that they happened to be selling. The problem is they were buying items that were available through their own businesses and yet somehow this was not only acceptable but encouraged. What happened to 100% product use?
So why is it acceptable to buy clothing and other products from a business that is part-owned by the founder of BWW, but it is unacceptable to buy from anywhere else? Isn't it a bit hypocritical to on one hand to preach 100% product use and then sell clothing and other products to your downline, and on top of that encourage the purchase of those items, even though your downline can purchase those products from their own business?
Comments
Good post Drew. This is just another example of the hypocritical mindset of the big pins. They constantly refer to their downline as their "business partners" and yet they want to line their own pockets by any means available to them. I don't think this is a very good example of "I don't make money unless you do!"
Anything to make the kingpins even richer.
And the diamonds were always talking about how they would go to these fancy shops and buy clothes, watches, and jewellery, which are things that can also be bought on Quixtar.com. That always bothered me because, sure, you probably can't find a Rolex on that website, but if they were that dedicated to the business, I thought they should still buy stuff from the biz, right?
gae, there are over 4000 diamonds and above in the world. I'm curious as to how you know this "hypocrisy" (and I agree it certain looks that) applies to all of them? You didn't say "some big pins" or qualify your statements in anyway. You said they all have a hypcrotical mindset and that all of them are just interested in lining their own pockets.
I'm very curious as to the source of your incredibly confidennt omniscience?
Makes me wonder, when will you stop with your childish complaints about what you perceive as hypocrisy... or is this a side efect translated as personal guilt over quitting being an IBO?
"Time and again it was stressed to never have a product in your house from Wal-Mart when you could buy it from your own business."
Yes, so? Is there something wrong in doing so? Do you think that maybe, Ted Rogers, uses exclusively Primus products instead of Rogers products from his business? Now, don't ge me wrong. Chances are that he might be using products that are not from his business but, a good deal of his products come from his business. He has belief in his business and feels rewarded in doing so. He is a multi-billionaire and has business mindset. You have neither it seems. In the end, it is all about choice; your business does not have a product you wish, find it somewhere else or bring it in if viable. When your business does have a product you use, use it from your business; it is a no brainer! I swear, I don't get your point! There is an imbalance lurking somewhere.
"We would be told to stop making Wal-Mart and Target rich and instead buy from yourself."
Valid point; again, what is the problem here? Do you think like a business man or like an employee? Of course, an employee can not buy from himself because he has no business! But again, don't get me wrong; if your business does not have a product you wish, find it somewhere else or bring it in if viable. When your business does have a product you use, use it from your business; again, it is a no brainer!
"Basically, anything less then 100% product use from your own store was unacceptable."
That's not true; unless a product you were looking for was unavailable in your business. Else, it is true but so is personal choice!
"Just because you couldn't find a product on the Quixtar website was no excuse to not buy from yourself because most likely what you were looking for was available from one of Quixtar's partner stores."
Was it or not available, I don't know; find out what you are looking for, ask someone who is at a higher level. Can you do just that?
"The problem is they were buying items that were available through their own businesses and yet somehow this was not only acceptable but encouraged. What happened to 100% product use?"
WHAT? Is there a problem with personal buying power choice?
"Isn't it a bit hypocritical to on one hand to preach 100% product use and then sell clothing and other products to your downline, and on top of that encourage the purchase of those items, even though your downline can purchase those products from their own business?"
Isn't it a bit interesting that again, Ted Rogers preaches to and uses himself 100% Rogers products when his products can do the job, and on top of that he sells those products and encourages their purchase to others by creating a buzz (in this case, clients)?
"Well….almost unacceptable."
It is your opinion, just that. There are no facts to prove why "buying from yourself when applicable" is wrong on hypocrisy grounds. It is all about personal choice; either good or bad.
I remember watching a doctor and his wife cross stage for a 300 personal pv recognition, and as he did he proudly and jokingly remarked "I'm BROKE, but I did it". (I'll bet he got REAMED for that remark)
Little do people realize doing a 100pv ($280-300 for ore products) has you spending probably TWICE what the average family spends for household supplies, vitamins and toiletries and cosmetics..
insider, if you read my post, i didn't say "ALL" or "some" big pins. i am SO sorry if i wasn't specific enough for you. i am not a walking talking encyclopedia of this biz. i post about things that happened to me personally and i don't have to come up with any stats or figures for you to chew on and spin in your own unique fashion. if you are looking for a arguement you won't get it from me.
Cristian,
I have two challenges up on my site for any IBO or Quixtar supporter to include one that allows an IBO to grill me about my time in Quixtar or my views in general.
I have never heard from you, yet you still like to comment to me as if I am hiding something. You have clearly missed the entire point of the article as you often do.
However, perhaps that is your cover. To make something of an article that is not there, so you don't have to face what has been shown.
So you can continue to try and tell me how childish it is and how wrong I am, but the fact will remain is that my door is wide open while you continue to just hide behind your keyboard.
Well gae, I'd ask that you start to discriminate and talk about your experiences as your experiences rather than just assume that everyone elses is the same.
Let me guess... Diamond Clothiers gets their shirts & pants from the exact same Mexican factory as Target... but mark up the price 500% for a little "Q" logo stitched on. Am I right?
And I wonder if Britt's $8,000 Armani suits come from the same source.
I'm amazed by some of the comments here... even blind Freddy could see something rotten in Britt's scheme. I think the term "cognitive dissonance" applies.
ok, my experience in Quixtar was that my upline tried to suck EVERY last dollar i had from me, and it does not surprise me to read about another upline trying to do the same thing. he also tried to tell me how to live my life. MY EXPERIENCE wasn't a good one, and i do know that there are good and decent people trying to build this business. Now i hear that my former upline has jumped ship and gone to orrin woodward's group. i guess things wern't quite as good as he let on. oh yea by the way, please point out where i related MY EXPERIENCE as being EVERYONES EXPERIENCE. if it was the use of the word "THEY" i am sorry i should have said "SOME"
Drew,
I agree with the perception of hypocrisy. 3 & 4 years ago, WWDB offered suits, ties, etc. at two of the major annual business functions. I haven't seen them in the past couple of years. I think the main reason is because the variety of business clothing in the Store for More catalog has improved substantially. My hubby used to joke about being recognized as a Quixbot because they all wore the same ties, shirts, etc.! ;-) At least now they have a lot more options.
I also had a tough time watching the videos of the Diamonds & the contest winners going shopping at all those retail stores when we 'preached' and were taught otherwise. However, I've gotten more "business-minded" and I understand (a little bit, anyway) why they do that. They feel (I may not entirely agree) that to "entice" people, they need to show lots of material-type activities & purchases. Going to Saks, Tiffany's, Nordy's, seems to project that image that they feel turns people on. It's a reward for winning a contest and/or reaching a certain goal. One time. No more. No less.
The bulk of the personal use is directed primarily to CORE (Choices Catalog) products. Vitamins & other health supplements, skin care & cosmetics, household cleaning supplies & laundry products. The Store for More and the Partner Stores & Services are the "icing on the cake".
I agree with Cristian and my upline on the point that it does make more sense to purchase those basic products from my own business. It has been proven to me many times, that our products are LESS EXPENSIVE over all. Initially, the price may be more. However, you need to purchase LESS often so there are many benefits & cost savings associated to that.
Willy,
If the doc who crossed stage was "broke" due to doing 300PV then he and his wife were doing it WRONG. Period. You should not ever purchase your 300PV. You purchase whatever you currently use today. Just switch your purchases. We also educate people on eating better & why to take supplements. As a result, they may give up 1-2 Starbucks a week & switch that to Double X plus an XS Energy Drink or Kahve coffee from their own biz. Get it?
If they are not at 300PV and they told their upline that they want to BUILD the business, then it is their job as a business owner to retail the rest of the PV! If they're just prosumers then they should just buy what they need & leave it at that.
Guys, this is just another example of critics taking a VERY simple concept & twisting & turning it to be complicated and "deceptive".
Give me a break.
Anon
You can talk about supporting your own business all you want Christian, but get this:
You are an idiot if you continue to buy from (haha) "your own business" if "your own business" has higher costs than virtually everyone else.
It should be a strong message you're getting if it is a chore (which many, not all former IBO's disclose) to make your 100 or 300(!) PV.
If your prices are lower as an IBO, then it makes sense, if you are not just buying it for the sake of supporting your business. However, it is more common for the prices to be higher than not.
Insider, what pin level you at?
I once heard a BWW kingpin "explain" away his choices to buy clothes at Diamond Clothiers and shopping trips to NYC, Northern VA, etc.: he (and other diamonds) did it for motivational purposes! In fact, he went as far as to suggest that the PV/BV not realized from such buying decisions is an "investment" into his downline's motivation: it's more effective for the downline to hear/see the upline drop several thousand at a Neiman Marcus than hear that it was spent in the Quixtar catalog. His words, not mine. Go figure!
Don't forget another one of Britt's companies, Executive Tax Planners, "the only accounting firm in the world which understands the intricacies of your Amway/Quixtar business". And I do realize one can't order a tax service through the business, so please spare me, but I'm simply adding this to list of hypocrisies. Bill had gone out of his way to setup a tax company to help you with your business, so you had better supported it even though the service was 3-4 times more expensive than any professional CPA that didn't act like he/she invented 1099 and Schedule C. Oh, and a minor detail: Bill himself, and most of the kingpins, used another tax/law firm with offices in Raleigh and Florida to do their tax work. Executive Planners were later rocked by an internal scandal - dono if they are still in business or whether they still support "da" business.
anon,
I also remember being told that the gaudy and excessive show of materialism were to "motivate" the troops. That should tell you something. That doesn't make it any less tacky and distasteful. Don't you think that if the troops were actually making money, they wouldn't need so much "motivation? You even used the word "entice."
Personally, I feel that it is all about dangling the proverbial carrot in front of struggling IBOs so they don't quit.
Anon,
I was in WWDB. The reason you haven't seen the clothing at the major functions in the last couple of years is because that clothing that was offered was Diamond Clothiers, Bill Britt’s line. WWG has distanced itself from Britt so it's no surprise they would drop this. It has nothing to do with the catalog and partner store selections, though that may be Puryear’s spin.
Insider said: "gae, there are over 4000 diamonds and above in the world."
Joe says: "Credible link?"
Why cant this be on the forums -_-. Anyways, i didnt read any of the comments, as im just going to give my opinion.
LOL, again, you just followed blindly. And i must say, thats smart marketing from him. He already has a network to sell to, so why not sell them. Although it would be better if he registered that "company" of his to quixtar so that more people can buy clothing from him.
Heres a nice quote to:
"Your not in business for Quixtar, your in business for yourself"
Here's the proof that there are more than 4000 (10000 in fact) diamonds in the world ;-)
http://www.shaneco.com/
gae - good, keep letting people know it's just your experience with one tiny part of the amway world.
Rocket - who cares what level I'm at? Does my level effect in any way the viability of the Amway/Quixtar business model or the experiences of IBOs and former IBOs? Nope. Pretend I'm not even an IBO, just an interested researcher.
joecool - the 4000+ Diamonds has been quoted in various Amagrams.
Christian, you missed the entire point of the blog entry, which was to compare and contrast the 'talk' ('buy from yourself whenever possible') to the 'walk' (buy from Bill when it benefits Bill), and question whether this is hypocritical. The question was not whether 'buy from yourself' is a viable business model (and even if it were, Drew's analogy would still apply).
But, as you mention, so many teachings of this 'business' are a 'no brainer'. Guess that explains it all.
u ppl have nothin better to do in life but talk abt FAILURES u had in life. get a life man!
Lets also compare the, Go to school, get good grades, go get a degree and a career and youll have a great life, -_- ..its the same thing. I missed the point, as its the same everywhere on everything (except for engineers). This, by the way, is coming from a student who has an IB and studying for a degree in forensics..not an idiot who dropped out of highschool..
Anyways, yes its viable. As the end user is also the client (which is yourself or your family members/friends). It wont work on its own from the start, but it works when you have downline...tons of downline
insider, it is mathematically impossible for there to be 4,000
diamonds. How much did Amway and Quixtar combined, pay out in bonuses?
How much does an average diamond make? $149,000?
Not possible unless you are saying 4000 diamonds over the existence of the corporation.
Insider -
If you could actually sell others as much as you try to sell yourself, you could have really acheived something in this biz.
Repeat your same "points" all you want - I can get the same thing from a McDonald's drive-thru speaker.
Sadly, there isn't much of a demand for those whose specialty is looking for hyperlinks.
Your a rumor in your own time.
Cheers
Bottom line: When you write the check that pays for all the quixtar stuff, the check's made out to Quixtar, not "your business."
IBO's get a commission buy selling Q* stuff to others.
I haven't seen my inlaws manufacturing any vitamins, nor do they have any imput as to how they are created or what the absolute bottomline wholesale price is. An IBO's job is working for Quixtar.
This really isn't a hard concept for most to grasp.
Christian writes: Anyways, yes its viable. As the end user is also the client (which is yourself or your family members/friends). It wont work on its own from the start, but it works when you have downline...tons of downline
CK wonders: if that is really your business model, when does the principal of geometirc expansion make it impossible, based on current population growth, for a new downline IBO to have anyone left to recruit? And I'm not interested in a red-herring response, such as 'but x-million of people graduate from high school every year', I am wondering a) if you've done the calculation, and b) if you care to share it with us as it pertains to this business model.
insider, i think what level you are at is a big deal. you seem to have a stat or answer for everything. i could understand if you were a big pin trying to defend your actions in the biz. but if you are just here for the sake of arguing, that i couldn't understand. you told me to qualify my statements, but it seems to me in many of yours, you answer only by saying my upline told me and that doesn't cut it either. so i am trying to relate my experiences as "my own" why don't you do the same?? one other thing. my time in Q* was niether a small part or uncommon as far as i can see. what happened to me has happened to other folks too. address the problems and this biz maybe could be something worth taking a second look at.
@CK
Your worried about saturation? I wish it would happen...then ill make more money. Then everyone buys from themselves and only the bottom guys need jobs -_-
...this is probably a cdspeak, but you play with math too much. Your asking if it was viable right? Welll, the answer is yes, except in reality, you need clients on your first month to make net profit..on your first month. 300pv would be good enough. Registration, site, kate, rent, etc all writeoffs. fyi, the writeoffs are enough to pay for your monthly expenses...
Someones going to add, yeah but theres those 4 major functions. Somewhere in this site, ive already did the math proving its possible.
Then someones going to say he/she bought $3,000 worth of tools...and im wondering how the hell that happened...
insider said:
"it's just your experience with one tiny part of the amway world."
Really? Britt's downline is only one TINY part of the Amway world????
Not what I understood.
Buy from yourself without any retail
customers sounds like a closed market pyramid scheme.
"the writeoffs are enough to pay for your monthly expenses..." ?!??
How could a WRITEOFF (deduction) of expenses that you don't even have before become enough to cover your expense?!?
@CK
Oyeah, this is probably my opinion. But the business model as an IBO is
1. Find clients (which includes yourself)
2. Find people that are looking for make money
Very important is, that #2, is connected with #1. Your clients likes the products, why not just turn them into a prosumer..cuz chances are, theyve told a couple people about the products already. THIS is a product approach. A faster way of doing things would be to actually look for entrepreneurs/business-minded people looking to make money outside their job.
I do both
Insider
I think your pin level IS important if you are out preaching the virtues of your business.
"cause if you don't know by being there, then you have absolutely NO WAY OF KNOWING what you say is true.
NO WAY AT ALL.
Do you understand? You DON'T KNOW that all of what you say is true.
You only know what your upline tells you.
Tell one of the diamonds to start a blog. Your blog is basically non verified statistics, and your opinions.
As an aside, just because you claim to be an expert doesn't make it so. As far as I'm concerned you're nothing more than a company schill.
A glorified Chris, Ryan Hicks or Tony.
But one might go Diamond faster if they buy the clothes their upline sells at a function.(eyes rolling) Plus if one is seen buying the upline's clothing, everyone will know how serious they are about building the business, regardless of the hypocrisy of it. If the uplines can hook someone, they will do anything that Diamond says because they want their own dreams so bad. Unfortunately, yes there are some people who will do what their upline told them because that is what they keep telling IBOs "just listen to your upline, they have built this business and they know how to do it because they have been doing it x number of years; as opposed to you who is new and are just getting started or you don't have enough experience with this business yet". The hypocrisy is, that many of the people who are IBOs that already have their own businesses likely have a better business plan than what their upline is trying to "teach" them for Quixtar.
"Registration, site, kate, rent, etc all writeoffs. fyi, the writeoffs are enough to pay for your monthly expenses...
Christian this is very sad. Writeoffs do not pay for your monthly expenses they simply lower your tax liability. If you run a successful business you should be paying in taxes hence the need for deductions so you can lower how much you pay. I think you may want to get a handle on this before you get yourself in some big time trouble.
eehh..little misunderstanding there.
Im just saying that the 80-100 i get back per month in taxes pays for my business expense (kate, premiere).
Yes, you can only writeoff a percentage..
Going to the movies isnt a business expense..
dont worry ^.^..im not that dumb. Im also a student, so i have more things to write off (nothing to do with quixtar)
Rocket Said: "As an aside, just because you claim to be an expert doesn't make it so. As far as I'm concerned you're nothing more than a company schill.
A glorified Chris, Ryan Hicks or Tony."
Joe says: insider claimed Qblog critics proclaimed him and expert (liar!) Ryan Hicks is the man, he's going to hire me to clean his toilets while he sleeps, and he said I will get good benefits!!!
Christian, you're 'getting back' $80-100 a month in taxes? In order for that to be true, assuming you're in the 15% bracket (you are a student, after all), you have to be 'writing off' $533/month (533 times 15% = 80).
If your tax bill has decreased by $960 per year (the $80/month) that you are claiming, that measn you are showing a net operating loss of at least $6400.
Wow. You'll be rich in no time.
"Christian, you're 'getting back' $80-100 a month in taxes? In order for that to be true, assuming you're in the 15% bracket (you are a student, after all), you have to be 'writing off' $533/month (533 times 15% = 80).
If your tax bill has decreased by $960 per year (the $80/month) that you are claiming, that measn you are showing a net operating loss of at least $6400.
Wow. You'll be rich in no time.
Like I said Christian you might want to get a handle on this. By your own numbers you are going straight to the poorhouse in quick fashion. So either this is true, or you have no clue what you are doing.
I have no clue of what im doing, tax-wise. I just did a rough estimate against what i do thats quixtar related. Oyeah, i have a house lined up, should i buy now or after tax-time?
@CK
That 80-100 pays for the business expense. negating my expenses. Rent is an expenses (%) my bus pass, my phone bill ($100), internet(%)..some samples. How about give some ideas on how you can be financially free yourself?
So, Christian, are you writing off $533 month as "business expenses," including part of your internet bill, your rent, and your bus pass? And are you showing anything near a profit, or that you will be profitable in the near future? If not, you better hope you are not audited, because there is a chance that if audited, the IRS will declare your business a hobby, and retro-actively deny you the deduction. You will then have to pay what you owe, plus penalties.
I suggest you click on the tax thread for some good places to find out more information, from Quixtar and the IRS, if you have not already done so.
If "Buy from yourself" was truly the key to your success, then why do only 100PV? Why not buy 10,000 PV every month? That way you'll be rich in no time. :D
Here we go again. The same tired, ancient line everytime an IBO is getting the snot kicked out of them with the cons in Quixtar.
Well, if not this, then what do YOU have to offer?
How about this:
NOTHING.
Do nothing and you won't lose money. OR Stay in Quixtar and keep spending more than you make in it. Do what you want, I don't care. At all.
You're just being advised that you are only fooling yourself, nobody else, and you certainly won't fool the tax man, even if you are excited about your future.
I don't know why you have to be told that.
Quit asking what else. You decide what else.
I'm no CPA, or even a tax expert, but it seems to me that Christian is really getting himself into trouble.
I'd be interested in seeing his tax return. After all, he lives at home with his parents (can't write off property taxes or rent through homestead), works several jobs (inc Quixtar) and really doesn't have much of an income yet (his words - he is an FUTURE Diamond)... interesting....If I were an IRS auditor, a ton of write offs against no income with no assets would certainly raise a red flag for me.
@Joecool
Only people like you who follow your upline blindly does that. I actually know some financial management, and dont spend more than i can actually afford.
Anyways, you guys worry about yourself ok? Unless you have suggestions on how to be financially independent, keep it to yourself. Im also learning some business ideas outside Q* and buying some properties to hold for rent. Im not as dumb as other IBOs who will only do Q* for money..even though the cds speak of not having only one source of income...
Christian,
You're more dangerous than the critics
because you "think" you know the secret to financial success.
Wow...the blog for bitter failures. I mean no offense by that - everyone has failed at something in their life. Why not just do something different with your life? Why do you feel it necessary to bring other people down, too? If someone makes the decision to be involved with Quixtar - how does it negatively affect you? I have been involved for over 26 years and I have seen people quit and people succeed. What's interesting about the people that don't make it, as that at least they have something to hope for. Why have you taken it upon yourself to destroy that? And please don't use the excuse that so many of the anti-MLM bloggers use: "I'm just trying to educate people that are being lied to." It's obvious to me (and anyone else with basic reasoning skills) that you think somehow you can take down whoever it is you blame for your failure. Most of the info here is irrelevant, taken out of context, or flirting with being untrue. A lot of what you say is a matter of opinion and interpretation.
I'll be honest: I love to debate. I happen to know a lot about this subject, and I'll challenge anyone to prove any statement I make, wrong.
Concerning the topic of "Buying from yourself". A matter of opinion. Why would you even get involved if you weren't going to follow the plan? Why get involved if you're only going to whine about what's necessary to succeed? You aren't going to become financially successful by clipping coupons and spending time searching for the best price for a box of cereal or a tube of toothpaste. (It should be noted here tha t if you don't desire financial success - why did you get involved?) Basically, it doesn't make sense to continue to buy products from competing stores when you are trying to build Quixtar. It just makes it that much more difficult. It doesn't make sense to whine about it, either. Just quit and go back to what you were doing.
That being said - of course there are people that have become successful while having a vested interest in a competing business. If you understand business at all - you'll understand the Bill Britt situation. Business is business. The problem with this, and most of the other situations discussed here, is that people get involved thinking it isn't going to have the same principals and tendencies as other businesses. Honestly, I'm not sure what they are thinking, but it isn't very realistic.
Of course there are unethical people that tell half-truths to get people involved - but so what? There are people like that in every business. When you come across them, either deal with it, or quit. Attacking the entire company, and everyone else that is involved is ridiculous and malicious.
(Christian - let it go. People that blog on sites like this aren't EVER going to be open minded about what they attack. Period. You are wasting your time unless you like pointless arguing. Their only goal is to change YOUR mind.)
@Kristi
Dont worry -_-, they cant change my mind that it doesnt work when its working.
@Joecool
Care to explain?
I dont "think" i know financial success.
I know i dont know financial success, thus i listen to people who have financial success. Both in Quixtar AND outside Quixtar.
Like i said, dont put me in the same category as all IBOs who dont want to have a job and putting everything on Quixtar. The cd i mentioned is when it talks about having more than 1 source of income. To the average IBO, that means a job and a Q* biz. To me, thats job, Q*, real estate, paper assets, etc.
The business mentality taught in quixtar applies in other businesses as well, same goes for the people skills and leadership thats being talked about.
And again, do you have an idea to be financially independent? Do you have atleast a gic and an rsp? Those wont make that much money, but its better than nothing
I have failed at many things, but failing to build a successful Quixtar business isn't one of them. In fact, I don't intend to try to accomplish such a feat. I wouldn't be able to afford shopping at "my own Quixtar store." Thus, it would be hard for me (honestly) to persuade others to do the same.
I find this blog theraputic because I can get some of my questions answered, questions that I've tried to get answered by my relatives who are IBOs, questions that most typical business owners readily and gladly answer.
(like "How are you able to show your assets/liabilities each month.")
I don't think that would qualify me as negative, just curious.
>"What's interesting about the people that don't make it, as that at least they have something to hope for."
CK wants to know WHAT they have to "hope for", or more importantly, WHY. Hope has to be based on some reality or else it is merely a fantasy. If all realistic indicators point towards failure (and they do in your scenario, since our target group is 'those who don't make it'), then one can conclude that you either applaud their hoping for continued failure, or you have confused hope with fantasy.
>"If someone makes the decision to be involved with Quixtar - how does it negatively affect you?"
CK wonders, if something doesn't affect you, you needn't be concerned about it? I passed a stanger who appeared to be preparing to jump off a local overpass. Didn't affect me, I guess I shouldn't have called 9-1-1. (Not being a self-absorbed AmQuix IBO, I did. He was. The news reported later that, thankfully, he was getting psychological help).
>"The problem with this, and most of the other situations discussed here, is that people get involved thinking it isn't going to have the same principals and tendencies as other businesses. "
CK reminds you that the problem here is NOT people thinking that there should be different principles than in other businesses, the problem is that the leaders themselves teach that the principles ARE different (for example in a traditional business, profit and loss statements are considered important measures of success, whereas in this business, the leader whom you defend preaches that "if the dream is big enough, the facts don't count"), when in fact their principles are clearly no different, at least not for the better, than any competitor's.
"I'll be honest: I love to debate. I happen to know a lot about this subject, and I'll challenge anyone to prove any statement I make, wrong."
Well let me be honest also I love debate as well, but I love actual debate. You know the kind that is done live and not by posting comments back and forth. So I accept you challenge and you can contact me at truth@quixtarinsideout.com so we can arrange it.
I just crossed your line in the sand, next move is on you.
>Christian
Probably now, depending on the rest of your financial picture. Rates won't come down, and if you're buying a primary residence, the mortgage interest is tax-deductible - the more months out of the year you paid it, the more you can deduct. And if you're buying as a rental, your interest plus depreciation will be slightly higher buying earlier rather than later, though you can only take it against income, so you'd need to have a renter lined up immediately to see that benefit.
>Christian
You are using a percentage of your rental regularly and exclusively for business? That's pretty tough to do by IRS standards. And I thought you were living at home? Even if half of your 'write-offs' are for items you would have had anyway (bus, rent, etc), you're still losing $262/month based on your own figures.
There is no such thing as financial freedom. There is fiscal responsibility which will lead to relative freedom. Read "The Millionaire Next Door." Apply. Chronically.
The Author is Thomas J. Stanley? Thanks, ill look that up ^.^. Well, my idea of financial freedom that a job is optional to maintain a decent lifestyle. Quixtars idea of financial freedom is you dont have to do anything and the money comes in every month. Thats true, except for the part where it says you dont have to do anything.
Well, thing about holding a property is...theres lots of speculation from economists that a burst will happen sometime in 2011-2015. If housing can still increase till 2009-2010, its possible that i sell certain properties then, use some of the money to pay off the mortgage in some of the houses, and use the the remainder to play monopoly when the bubble bursts and everyone is complaining about house prices and selling it as cheap as possible. Since its 2007, that would mean more of trading instead of holding.
Yeah, thats one reason i want to learn some bookkeeping/accounting. My numbers might be a little off or im missing to give some more info.
Thanks Christian. we now know that you need to keep your job if you're in quixtar.
@joecool
Not really. Once you hit a certain mark and its stable. You can actually quit your job. Im talking about a 8k pv thats stable /month
The quixtar health and beauty products are great and top quality...they obviously have to be good to be #1 in that online category. At the same time, take a look at the prices that you pay for item X at a partner store and the amount of PV/BV that you gain from it, vs. how much you pay for it at a local store. What percentage level are you at to give you a bonus from those added PV/BV points?
When looking at the numbers though, look at the number of IBOs there are versus Diamonds....better yet, take a look at the number of Platinums....or take it one step farther....how many people are going across stage reaching new pin levels vs. the numbers that had been going across 5-10 years ago??? In addition, look at the number of Diamonds who have left Quixtar, as well as their residual income, and have gone to other network companies simply because they are able to see their downline earn a reasonable income.
In addition, as your Platinums, Emeralds and Diamonds how much of their total income comes from Quixtar and how much of it comes from the Tools/System?? I think you'll be surprised. How much does it really cost to burn a CD...and look how much you're paying every week for 2 of them.
Dreamer, I didn't qite understand one of your staements. Are you saying that there are Diamonds who left Quixtar because their downlines had become successful enough for them to leave? Then they go on to another MLM? Do you have anything to back this statement? If I were a diamond, knowing all the crap I had to go through to get there, why would i EVER quit and move on? Just curious.
Diamonds can't go to another MLM. Against quixtar rules.
Well, CK, hope is actually “an emotional belief in a positive outcome related to events and circumstances. It implies a certain amount of perseverance (i.e., believing that a positive outcome is possible when there is evidence to the contrary).”
Anyone who thinks hope has to be based on realistic odds, should, for example, spend some time in a pediatric cancer unit. If you want to base everything on probability, then mathematically, a lot of the kids I visit have a better chance of growing up to be Quixtar Diamonds than living to see their next birthday. Should I phrase it that way? Would that help them? Hope has nothing to do with reality; it has to do with having something to believe in. It’s good for you, and there is research to prove it. A recent study showed that most people who play the lottery actually believe that they will win someday. Talk about false hope. Why doesn’t somebody go after the lottery? Why not have smear-blogs on that topic?
The real question is why are there so many people that want to take hope away from people they’ve never met? If anyone can answer that for me, I’ll be impressed.
Likening participation in Quixtar with jumping off a bridge is melodramatic and irrelevant. Ck, it’s easier to have a debate when you stick to pertinent analogies and facts.
Profit and Loss statements are relevant in this and any business. I do one every year with my accountant (No, my upline didn’t tell me to, I thought of it all on my own). The fact is, very few small businesses show a profit in the first 5 years. Once again, I’ll explain the obvious. There are going to be unethical people that get involved in Quixtar. They might try to gloss over these facts. It is your responsibility to know your limitations and have realistic expectations. Not anyone else’s. This blog, and most of the other “Quixtar Critics” are just more of the type of people that spill hot coffee on themselves and then sue because someone wasn’t babysitting them.
CK, I wasn’t defending anyone, I was presenting the facts. A practice that appears to be very scarce here.
Drew – I’ll see you on truth@quixtarinsideout.com.
Kristi,
Good I look forward to it.
I'm no expert in business matters, but I would think that in support of the staement that most small companies don't show a profit in the fist five years is probable due to things like advertising and overhead, extra expenses like rent, utilities, etc. Isn't that one of the selling points for Quixtar, that you won't these obstacles to overcome? There is absolutely no reason why someone should still be going into debt after five years in the business if they use common sense. Unfortunately, many have lost their common sense after five years in the business, whether they are making a profit or not.
5 years? Lotsa people quit after 5 nos when they try and sell to people who dont want the products in the first place, or dont have money...or worse..they have no idea what theyr selling
LOL
Kristi said: Anyone who thinks hope has to be based on realistic odds, should, for example, spend some time in a pediatric cancer unit. If you want to base everything on probability, then mathematically, a lot of the kids I visit have a better chance of growing up to be Quixtar Diamonds than living to see their next birthday.
Joe says: Kristi, if you do that, I commend you. But when you give dying kids hope, it's a great thing. But when you give law abiding people people a financial scam (My opinion) like quixtar, then it's a whole different thing.
Kristi, any proof to the claim that most small businesses do not make a profit in their first five years? I find it difficult to believe for two reasons. First, most people cannot survive financially while losing money for 5 straight years, be they employees or business owners. Second, the IRS generally gives a business owner 3 years to either show a profit, or at least show a potential for profit in the near future, otherwise the IRS might declare a business a "hobby."
If I need to, I will find it again, but there was a SBA report that stated nearly 60% of all small businesses with at least 1 employee were still in business after 6 years. If those businesses didn't profit the first 5, I find it very hard to believe they were still around, with an employee, for a 6th. If you can show me where you got your statistics from, Kristi, I'll show you mine.
All this 'small business losing money' stuff... Is there ANY real life case that you know off?
I'm making money the first month I open my business. My friend's business make money within 6 months. Another one that I know off has no fixed cost, so it makes money on every single sales.
Those businesses that's been around for 5 years but still not making money: are they masochists?? :)
Kristi, while you are seemingly more literate than many of the other AmQuix apologists who come and go, you are sitll posting the same tired dogma, just with better grammar.
I did not write that hope shoudl be based on "realisitic odds", as you misquoted, I said it ought to be based SOME REALITY. There's a very big difference, of which you are either unaware or were simply being deliberately obtuse (and somewhat dishonest in implying that I wrote something that I didn't).
Secondly, I was not litereally comparing bridge-jumping to AMQuix building. I was merely pointing out that if you chastise people for trying to 'save others' simply because the actions of those others do not affect the wistle-blower, then USING THAT SAME LOGIC, one would also not call 911 on the bridge jumper. I was pointing out the fallacy of that particular line of reasoning. But, again, you either missed it or are being deliberately obtuse.
Finally, you claim to have presented facts, but in re-reading your posts, I can't seem to find many. Lots of opinion, hyperbole, and theory, but not many facts.
Which, given your claim, makes me believe that you are not being obtuse, at least not deliberately.
CK,
Why do you sometimes write in the "third person"? Just curious.
You too, tend to use "big words" (ooohhh aaaaahhhh) without many facts. Just your OPINION. An opinion, I may add, minus the ever essential EXPERIENCE.
At least Kristi has 25 years of experience.
Bottom line: Quixtar is an HONEST & LEGAL business opportunity. What one does with it is subjective and on THEM not on Quixtar or WWDB or N21 or BWW or any other organization.
To all those who say we're too high priced and can't make any money:
1. We won a 50" plasma tv pre-purchased at Circuit City, one of our business partners. When my hubby went to pick it up, he explained that we were business partners & that we receive wholesale pricing. WE RECEIVED THE TV AND $232 CASH BACK!!!!! (because it was CHEAPER on our website than in the store!!!)
2. I sold a Time Defiance Skin Care System yesterday. PROFIT: $63.00. All I did was hand out a sample bag. A week later, when I saw her in passing I asked how she like the products. She liked them. A couple weeks later, SHE CALLED ME TO PLACE THE ORDER!!!!!! Wow. Hard work, huh?
Just two little examples of many many many many many many many more!!!!!
Just think if/when we put some EFFORT into it! Ha!
Anon, Legal...probably yes. Honest...I am not so sure. There is a difference between honesty and legality. When all LOS inform a prospect up front of ALL the aspects of the business we can throw honesty back in the mix.
anon, I'm not sure what your definition of 'big words' is, and I'm also not sure how it would be relevent even if I did. Perhaps you'd care to illuminate us all as to the relevence of that comment? Or are you just one of the literary 'have nots' who justifies his ignorance by denigrating the 'haves'?
I wrote in the third person because I had been quoting (but my HTML tags didn't show up as I intended), to make it clear to the reader where I was quoting and where I was posting my own comment. I can see how, without the quotes appearing as intended, that seemed a little contrived.
While there is no doubt that much of what I posted in this thread is opinion. But I am not the one who was attempting to be snide by claiming that other than my own posts, the posting of facts seemed scarce. Which again calls into question the relevence of your comment.
And my 'experience' is based on watching my husband spiral our finances out of control for over ten years by following the advice of his upline, and attending several meeting and listening to several tapes at his behest. Not much experience, but enough to have done plenty of research, including estimating income potential without including many of the ridiculous tools expenses.
You think one needs to have signed on the dotted line in order to comment authoritatively on the relative merits of a mathematically unsustainable business model (which BFYTODS clearly is)? You are familiar with the principal of geometric expansion?
Following that same train of logic, namely that experience is essential to analyzing this business model, begs the following analogy:
I haven't eaten dog poop. If I advise you against it, does that lack of experience in any way detract from the wisdom of the advice?
Either the logic is sound, or it is not.
I must have the whole partner store concept wrong. I thought that when you bought stuff online through one of the partner stores, you got a certain percentage pv for that purchase. I didn't realize that you got the whole sale price. I'll need to talk to my inlaws to see if they understand this.
Just curious, what is a prize that is pre-paid? I'm imagining that you won a contest or something at Curcuit City. They have it-you win it. You say you can get it cheaper somewhere else, and they give you the difference? You guys are good!
Lastly, and I'm not meaning to sound critical, but I'm an language arts teacher, and this is driving me crazy. Are you referring to anything in CK's last post as to being written in the third person? I'm not seeing it, but I don't mind being proven wrong.
Anon wrote: 1. We won a 50" plasma tv pre-purchased at Circuit City, one of our business partners. When my hubby went to pick it up, he explained that we were business partners & that we receive wholesale pricing. WE RECEIVED THE TV AND $232 CASH BACK!!!!! (because it was CHEAPER on our website than in the store!!!)
Joe says: How did the store know you were IBOs and why would they give you a rebate on a prize? Sounds a bit fishy. Maybe you can enlighten us.
JC,
I repeat: "When my hubby went to pick it up, he explained that we were business partners & that we receive wholesale pricing."
Joe, you've GOT to get better at reading things correctly the first time. You seem to have a pattern of mis-reading or mis-interpreting things. As a result, your response looks foolish.
As far as them giving us a "rebate" (as you call it.....not sure why...)on the "prize", perhaps my hubby's company gave him the money & he went to pick it up & explained our partnership. When he went to write the check, they matched our online price.
Do you get the POINT I'm making Joe?????
OH MY GOD!!! I don't know how much more CLEAR or POSITIVE I could have stated my examples of being LESS EXPENSIVE and making a PROFIT!!!! Two things you critics argue are impossible with this business! WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tough to swallow the truth, Joey??? ;-)
Joe, just to let you know, I didn't get it either.
As far as them giving us a "rebate" (as you call it.....not sure why...)on the "prize",
Why is prize quoted? Isn't that what people usually call somethng that you win?
perhaps (Perhaps? So did this happen or not?)
my hubby's company (I'm going to make an assumption that your hubby works for Curcuit City. Please don't kill me if I'm wrong! I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just confused!)
gave him the money & he went to pick it up & explained our partnership. When he went to write the check,(Why is he writing a check for something he won? I know, I know, I'm stupid. Sorry.) they matched our online price.
Anon, I read just fine. I just find your story to be BS.
Anon seems more interested in picking a fight then actually discussing anything. Not to mention comes across like a teenager chatting on AOL.
I find it ironic that she is asking if it is hard to swallow the truth when the best she has come with is a story that reeks of BS and makes no sense to anyone.
From what I gather apparently he won this "prize" at work and they gave him the money to purchase a TV at Circuit City. He went there and told them he was partner's with them and that he got the wholesale price, so he actually got to keep some of the money his company gave him. Now if this version is correct I see many issues with this.
1. From what I remember of Partner stores you only got a percentage of PV/BV on purchases and those purchases were only good if made online. Maybe the rules for CC is a percentage discount instead. I will have to check into this. But assuming they only get a percentage of PV, either anon is lying or her hubby lied to CC about getting wholesale price and just happened to get a sucker employee who let it go. Sadly that same employee most likely got fired when it was found out. Not something I would be bragging about.
2. If the company was the one doing the buying of this TV for her husband it was also dishonest to try and use any partner affiliation to get a discount. I assume the company he works for had no affiliation with CC for wholesale and if the story I proposed is correct anon's husband deceived CC by making it seem as if he was the one making the purchase when reality was his company was making the purchase.
3. It is also very dishonest to not return any money to the company that anon's husband recieved due to any kind of refund, etc. If he won the TV and they gave him the funds to purchase the TV, any kind of return on the purchase should have been given back to the company. If his company would have known that he was going to get $232 back the money they gave him initially might have been light $232.
Like I said either anon is lying about this whole story which I think is the case, or her husband was very dishonest in his dealings. Either way, this is not something I would be bragging about all over the net.
OK, just called Quixtar and was transferred to whatever group deals with Partner Stores. I told this very nice lady the tale that was told by anon here.
She confirmed for me that purchases at partner stores can only be made online, and IBOs do not qualify for wholesale pricing with any partner stores. IBOs only get a small PV/BV bonus for the purchases, and said that a story about getting wholesale price on a TV from CC while purchasing from their store is not correct.
So let the truth be told that either anon is lying to all of us, or her husband was less then truthful with CC regarding the nature of their business relationship and swindled that business out of $232. Either way, this example given by anon is nothing more then an example of IBO dishonesty and deceit. I think anon should go ahead and stay anon since I don't think Quixtar would take to kindly to the way their business is being run.
Are you all really this THICK????
Drew, what a rude comment about me sounding like a "teenager". I am surprised that came from you. I didn't appreciate it.
I am absolutely flabbergasted that I go on this sight and share HONEST & TRUE information (in fact, it only happended TWO days ago!!!!!) and you guys are tearing it apart like bulldogs on a bone. Wow.
WHY would I lie??? Why??? Why???? What on God's green earth would make me spend my very precious time fabricating such a boring story????? What conspiritorial reasoning do you have Drew???
Here it is guys.....once again:
My husband was in a sales contest within his company (no, not Circuit City, IM). He won a 50" (maybe even 52"???) plasma tv. The TV was already there and paid for so the company must have purchased it directly through Circuit City and hubby went to pick it up, told him of our affiliation, got a refund and gave it back to his company (I know that now 'cuz he had dinner with his boss last night & that was part of their meeting).
My husband is by far, the MOST honest person I have EVER met. I am quite offended that you are calling him "dishonest" in his dealings & you're calling me a liar. I would appreciate an apology from both you & JC.
Drew, every partner store is different. For example, with Gateway, you simply get a 10% discount...nothing else. With Circuit City, you get BOTH PV/BV AND a discounted/wholesale price from Circuit City. When you purchase something from them, you have many options. First option is, you can walk into the store, go to THEIR computer, go online, buy it & pick it up right there at the store. Another option is to buy it online from the comfort of your own home then go pick it up at the retail store. Final option, purchase it online, get it shipped to your front door.
I do hope that's more clear for all of you. I apologize if I did not make it sound clear the first time around.
I think it's wonderful news for the person looking for an opportunity to either save time & money and/or make some extra cash. Being that you all claim that you're on this site to "help" people know the truth....then I imagine you're thrilled with this information as well.
Thanks,
Anon
Drew,
She's right. You do have to go online. You'll see that in the examples of the 3 options I gave with Circuit City.
OK, I guess I'll have to S-P-E-L-L it out for you: the pricing on our website BEAT the pricing at Circuit City.
So, my hubby told the guys at CC (whoever helped him out) and they gave him OUR price, being that we are an affiliate partner of theirs. He gave the difference back to his business associate.
Now, I don't know about the "discount" only applying to purchases online. I would have to look into that. I do know that you cannot walk into a store & purchase a product for our online pricing. If you could, what would be the point of our online mall & catalogs???????
I do know this: I know for a fact that my husband was not out to "swindle" the guy or gal behind the counter. He went in....told them of our affiliation.....probably showed them the site & the same tv online.....they CHOSE to honor the online Circuit City pricing. He gave the difference to his associate. That's it. I don't see how that's deceptive or manipulative.
Are you saying that the Circuit City reps are clueless? Inexperienced? Not knowledgeable? Helpless Victims???
My God Drew. Now I see how the "spin" on things gets out of control. So dramatic. Wow.
You have sunk to a new low in my opinion. The things you have stated about me were rude & uncalled for.
I don't need to defend Quixtar or WWDB. Any intelligent person reading these comments will see what kind of people are "critics" of Quixtar & their affiliates.
I am truly disappointed.
I would be thrilled with this information if I could make sense of it all. However you keep bouncing around like a friggin Jack Russell terrier chasing a field mouse.
First you say your husband won the TV, went to pick it up and got the cash back. Then you said his employer gave him the money to go get it, and even said "When he went to write the check they matched our online price.". Now we are back to the TV was pre-paid for and you husband just got the discount while he was there to pick it up.
See what I mean your story doesn't pass the BS test. Also, I called Quixtar and they said that you don't get anything from a partner store unless you make the purchase online because Quixtar cuts you the check not Circuit City. So the PV/BV has to be recorded online and since your husband's company purchased it, it doesn't count.
Which leads me to the other dishonesty in this story that why is your husband using a discount that does not apply to his employer. Basically he swindled CC out of $232 they didn't have to pay since your husband's employer is not a Quixtar IBO.
"Drew, every partner store is different. For example, with Gateway, you simply get a 10% discount...nothing else. With Circuit City, you get BOTH PV/BV AND a discounted/wholesale price from Circuit City."
...and once again I called Quixtar back and asked about the specific benefit CC offers as a partner store. The rep told me 5%PV/10%BV on all purchases and said there is no discount or reduced pricing with this partner store. This is Quixtar saying this not me and it directly conflicts with what you are telling us here. So you are either lying, or your story is BS.
"So, my hubby told the guys at CC (whoever helped him out) and they gave him OUR price, being that we are an affiliate partner of theirs."
Read above, according to Quixtar corporate offices your price with CC is the same as any plain Jane or Joe shopping there. IBOs get PV/BV but no discounts.
"You have sunk to a new low in my opinion. The things you have stated about me were rude & uncalled for."
The things I stated were the way I see it. I will not apologize for having to try and piece together a story that keeps changing every time you post here. I called Quixtar and got the facts and they don't mesh with your story one damn bit. Whatever low you have me at in your opinion couldn't be lower then you have sunk yourself to by coming here and trying to pass something off as fact that even Quixtar says is not true.
"I don't need to defend Quixtar or WWDB. Any intelligent person reading these comments will see what kind of people are "critics" of Quixtar & their affiliates."
I think the many intelligent people who do read these comments will see that your story was checked with the proper sources and the truth was brought to light. It is also an example of why many of those intelligent people tend to trust the critics more then the IBOs.
"My husband is by far, the MOST honest person I have EVER met. I am quite offended that you are calling him "dishonest" in his dealings & you're calling me a liar. I would appreciate an apology from both you & JC."
Once again I am not going to apologize for calling a spade a spade. By your own story everything seems shady, even your latest version. Let's say for a minute that your latest story is true (which I don't believe it is) and your husband won a TV that was pre-paid by his employer and he used his IBO "discount" (which according to Quixtar doesn't exist) to get a rebate and gave the money to his employer. Let's say that is true just for a minute.
Your husband still used a "discount" that is supposed to be for IBOs of Quixtar only. Not your husband's employer. It is an agreement that did not extend to the employer's of IBOs. Using that "discount" for something that your husband did not purchase from his business is wrong and dishonest.
Sorry anon, your whole story doesn't wash and even Quixtar agrees. I know it most likely pisses you off, the truth often does. But the facts don't support your story and the best thing you could do is just come clean. I have called Quixtar twice now to give you the benfit of a doubt and both times my suspicions were confirmed for me.
Sorry I'm so thick.
What I don't get is that is you won a TV, why on earth would you tell the company from whom you won it that you could get it cheaper somewhere else?
That seems a bit rude to me. It doesn't make sense. I probably won't get it anyway, so don't bother explaining it again. Like my inlaws tell me, I just don't "get it."
Anon wrote: As far as them giving us a "rebate" (as you call it.....not sure why...)on the "prize", perhaps my hubby's company gave him the money & he went to pick it up & explained our partnership. When he went to write the check, they matched our online price.
Joe says: They gave him the money. Why did your husband write a check?
Anon wrote: The TV was already there and paid for so the company must have purchased it directly through Circuit City and hubby went to pick it up.
Joe says: If the was paid for, why did the company give your husband the money?
Anon wrote: WHY would I lie??? Why??? Why???? What on God's green earth would make me spend my very precious time fabricating such a boring story?????
Joe: Is it because you have something to gain by promoting quixtar? Or maybe you are doing what you were taught - fake it till you make it?
OK., I do get that you didn't win the TV from Circuit City, and it is kind of making sense to me-sort of. I still don't believe the "wholesale" thing, and Drew made a pretty convincing argument pointing out that sort of arrangement with partner stores doesn't seem to exist.
Anon, I am surprised at how defensive you are about explaining a scenario that doesn't seem to make sense. I truly wanted to understand what you said, but I guess I'm just too "thick." I hate to think of what it would belike if you were to show me the plan. Believe it or not, I'd have some questions and want som clarification on things, so I could completely understand. (Remember how thick I am.) I would need to have the remedial plan, complete with pictures. You mayber would have need to act out the how process of the Quixtar opportunity. I guess we should just assume that everything you say is the golden truth. To question that would be, how should I say...TOO NEGATIVE.
Sorry for the sarcasm. I won't ask for any clarification on anything you write anymore. Like I do with my 12 year old daughter, I nod and say, "Uh-huh...OK. You're right," 'cause sometimes there's no winning an argument with her, either.
So Anon's husband wins a big TV as a prize. Ok. You go to circuit city to pick it up and while doing this, anon's husband mentions that they are quixtar IBOs, and that ciruit city is a partner store of quixtar. (never mind the other discrepancies).
Then out of the blue, because you mentioned quixtar, the circuit city salesperson/sales manager out of the blue opens up the cash register and hands you over a couple hundred bucks as the differences in price between their price and quixtar's?
Ok, where do I line up to buy the Brooklyn Bridge?
Oh, WOW!!! WOW!!!
First it was Brad-the-brave on the "Jobs are Charity" post. Now we have another IBO making a complete fool of themselves!
Hey Anon, if you are the lady I had a debate with, on the "Quixtar's National Ad-Campaign" post, I have to say I am terribly disappointed. Does it ever occur to you that you really don't have any solid (read logical/profitable) reasons to continue in this business, yet you keep plugging away and coming on here to 'defend' it, because of a certain amount of pride? Ponder that for a while.
Drew> ...and once again I called Quixtar back and asked about the specific benefit CC offers as a partner store. The rep told me 5%PV/10%BV on all purchases and said there is no discount or reduced pricing with this partner store. This is Quixtar saying this not me and it directly conflicts with what you are telling us here. So you are either lying, or your story is BS.
Anon> Once again, Drew, our pricing was CHEAPER than at the Circuit City retail store. Call it "discount", "wholesale", whatever you want....it's still cheaper. No. I'm not lying. Again, WHY would I lie? I actually have a life. Just thought I'd share some truth on this site....
Drew again> "So, my hubby told the guys at CC (whoever helped him out) and they gave him OUR price, being that we are an affiliate partner of theirs."
Read above, according to Quixtar corporate offices your price with CC is the same as any plain Jane or Joe shopping there. IBOs get PV/BV but no discounts.
Anon> For the last time, it just so happens our price was cheaper than the retail store.
Drew> Your husband still used a "discount" that is supposed to be for IBOs of Quixtar only. Not your husband's employer. It is an agreement that did not extend to the employer's of IBOs. Using that "discount" for something that your husband did not purchase from his business is wrong and dishonest.
Anon> By who's logic? Why is it wrong to extend our "discount"? We can sell our products at the wholesale price to anyone of our choosing.
CK> Anon, I am surprised at how defensive you are about explaining a scenario that doesn't seem to make sense. I truly wanted to understand what you said, but I guess I'm just too "thick." I hate to think of what it would belike if you were to show me the plan. Believe it or not, I'd have some questions and want som clarification on things, so I could completely understand. (Remember how thick I am.) I would need to have the remedial plan, complete with pictures. You mayber would have need to act out the how process of the Quixtar opportunity. I guess we should just assume that everything you say is the golden truth. To question that would be, how should I say...TOO NEGATIVE.
Anon> When did I say you were "negative"? Don't put other IBO's words into MY mouth! IM, I thought you too, were above this type of bashing. Wow.
Why is it you're questioning my examples? I just don't get it. I haven't been on this site for over a month....I come on here to share some great news.....and I am completely and utterly ATTACKED for it! That's how I feel.
What in the WORLD don't you get? First of all, I didn't get every tiny, itty bitty little bit of detail from hubby when he told me the news. I trust him. He is an honest & forthright businessman. I don't know exactly HOW it happened. I just know he won a tv, went to pick it up & somehow "saved" $200+ on it and gave that back to his associate. He could've gotten to the store, looked it up, discovered it was cheaper then returned the one on hold & re-purchased the tv online. Again, I don't know how it happened. It happened. The CC associate (supposedly fully trained) CHOSE the action he/she took. I assume it was all above board & legal! Why would I assume otherwise???
I really feel attacked here. And I believe the critics who are attacking me are missing the point. Which is: the tv was CHEAPER on the Quixtar site than it was in the store. Period. End of story.
It's that simple guys!
Perceptive> Hey Anon, if you are the lady I had a debate with, on the "Quixtar's National Ad-Campaign" post, I have to say I am terribly disappointed.
Anon> Yes. The one & the same. Why are you disappointed???
Perceptive> Does it ever occur to you that you really don't have any solid (read logical/profitable) reasons to continue in this business, yet you keep plugging away and coming on here to 'defend' it, because of a certain amount of pride? Ponder that for a while.
Anon> No solid, logical or profitable reasons to continue????? Are you kidding me??? WHERE on EARTH did you dig THAT statement up? What would make you think we don't profit from this business? I have stated nothing but the opposite.
Guys, we got a tv & ended up getting money back 'cuz of our business affiliation with CC online. That's it. Stop making it bigger than it is. We didn't scam anybody. We didn't kill anybody. We didn't abuse anybody. We took advantage of our business benefits. That's it.
You guys must be hurting for IBO's to attack. I'll be MORE than happy to address any further legitmate questions you may have. Other than that, you won't see me. It's too depressing.
I will continue to spend my days striving to make a positive impact.
Anon
"Once again, Drew, our pricing was CHEAPER than at the Circuit City retail store. Call it "discount", "wholesale", whatever you want....it's still cheaper. No. I'm not lying. Again, WHY would I lie? I actually have a life. Just thought I'd share some truth on this site...."
Well you are not sharing any truth and I got that confirmed from Quixtar themselves. I don't know what part of that you do not understand but according to Quixtar CC offers no discount or wholesale price to IBOs.
"Anon> For the last time, it just so happens our price was cheaper than the retail store."
For the last time I have called Quixtar twice and confirmed that IBOs do not get special pricing from CC, only PV/BV from online purchases made from the Quixtar portal. How many times do I have to tell you that my information comes from the Quixtar corporation, while your story is bits and pieces of a second hand story from your husband. Gee I wonder which one is more credible?
"By who's logic? Why is it wrong to extend our "discount"? We can sell our products at the wholesale price to anyone of our choosing."
The problem is that according to your story your husband's employer pre-paid for the TV (at least the current version of your story). They didn't buy it from your husband and did not seek out your husband for the purchase. The product was already sold to someone who is not an IBO, or purchasing from an IBO and therefore is not allowed the discount. For your husband to try and extend the discount after the sale is dishonest. I can't believe you consider yourself a business person and I actually have to explain this to you.
Of course, I don't even believe there is a discount because the Quixtar corporation has told me CC does not offer special pricing to IBOs not once but twice. Sorry but when Quixtar corporate office is saying you're wrong chances are you are wrong.
"Guys, we got a tv & ended up getting money back 'cuz of our business affiliation with CC online. That's it. Stop making it bigger than it is. We didn't scam anybody. We didn't kill anybody. We didn't abuse anybody. We took advantage of our business benefits. That's it."
You did not get any money back due to any business benefits and I have two phone calls to Quixtar corporate office to prove me right. Your husband may have gotten some money back, but it had nothing to do with being a Quixtar IBO plain and simple.
"I will continue to spend my days striving to make a positive impact."
I would suggest spending your days reading the rules of conduct and getting familiar with the Partner Store concept. It seems many of us who have never been in or are no longer in Quixtar have a better understanding of your business then you do. I wonder what Quixtar would think of an IBO telling stories that directly conflict with the actual facts? I don't think they would call it a positive impact.
CK,
To clear things up for you, I am never deliberately obtuse. I am also not here touting any religion, doctrine or dogma. It appears that you are. What people choose to put their faith in is their business. Be it a cure for cancer or a financial goal. There is zero proof that Quixtar is a scam. It has been investigated by the FTC. Scams are illegal. If you are alleging that Quixtar is illegal, you'd better have more evidence than just a few bitter people that quit.
I bother to respond because I can't watch the people on this site attack with the arrogant, malicious attitude each of you seem to possess, especially when 90% of what you say is either false or misinformation.
I am not more literate than the average Quixtar IBO, most of them just have better things to do than spend time on these sites. I am also a researcher, and this is a part of a current project.
Your argument is just getting into semantics. The difference between "some reality" and "realistic odds"? Reality is defined as "that which is beyond what is perceived; to contain all that can ever be perceived". I'm confused, what did you mean?
If the bridge-jumping analogy isn't close to what you were implying - why couldn't you come up with a better example? Until you prove that Quixtar is actually a scam - your argument doesn't hold water.
Finally, I have mentioned no theories or opinions. And what, specifically did I exaggerate? (You mentioned hyperbole..) A blog that is run by, and full of, apologists shouldn't fault another for having a cause.
Drew - still waiting for our debate.
In the meantime, I'm here if anyone else would like to try.
If anon got pv/bv from them, then thats can be considered a discount, as you get a percentage of the retail value back.
GOD...you guys need to get a life -_-
I notice anon did not address what I posted. Hehe.
Drew,
You are WRONG. Period. WRONG WRONG WRONG. You have NO CONCEPT of the Quixtar business opportunity today. Maybe it was different a few years ago. Some things have changed Drew. That happens, you know.
I'll speak as plainly as I can so maybe you can FINALLY understand:
Hubby's company bought a tv. Hubby went to pick it up. Hubby looked online while in the store. Price online was less than price in store. Hubby returned the tv he was to pickup. He purchased another tv online and selected the option to pick the tv up at the store. Remember, I reviewed the three options with Circuit City??? Well, he chose the option of purchasing online & picking it up at the store. The clerk worked with him, no problem.
What don't YOU get about that? I don't understand why you are being so THICK about this Drew.
As I stated earlier, the price was the price was the price. Period. Whether discounted or not discounted, the price on our website beat the price at the retail store. Get it???
For the record, Anon, you attributed a quote from Inquiringmind to me. I have made absolutely no comment regarding your allegations of getting a rebate on your free TV.
Which is not to say I find the story as presented plausible, but I do suspect that if all the facts were presented, one would find an element of truth, perhaps a large one. You strike me as a voracious AmQuix supporter, one who parrots the lies she has been led to believe, but not one who would fabricate them herself, nor spread them one she recognized their lack of veracity.
Ok, I read the story again. Maybe it's anon's husband who is "faking it". In either case, I don't believe the CC salesperson opened up the register and returned $200 because the person mentioned he was an IBO.
after reading these posts and doing my own research i came to the conclusion that quixtar/amway is nothing more that the top king pins getting rich off of other peoples money, plain and simple, quixtar is more of a way to sell false information and exaggerated figures (through promotional tapes, CDs, DVDs and booklets which you have to purchase) than selling products, that's just the side dish, so that the scheme wouldn't be illegal. People are hoping to one day make the big time like the ones at the top, it's a sick way of making money, yes it works but at the expense of people who try to make a decent living, eg, u can make $100,000 in a certain number of years, but you'll have to convince people to sign up under you and pressure & persuade them to spend the little they have so u can get paid, quixtar is indirectly breaking up some families, pushing some people into poverty, think about it, how the **** can everyone become millionaires, somebody has to lose for somebody to win, on contrary to what they dvd would like you to believe, they just dont give a **** about you, as long as they're gettin paid, of course they will welcome you with open arms, nice smiles, because without the IBOs they would be nothing. take a look at this and u can make of it what you will...
http://www.amquix.info/amway.html
http://www.amquix.info/forbes_december_9_1991.html
copy and paste, if the link doesn't work
Anon, no you never said the word "negative," but you seemed to respond as if I had said something negative or that I attacked you because I didn't understand something you wrote with regards to Quixtar. I almost cringe to even post or ask any questions, because when I do so , I get responses that seem to say, "Why are you questioning this? You are being too critical" (AKA negative).
If you reread your original post, you may find it confusing. You've told me before to look things over or read things when I've been wrong. I did so, and many times, you were right. I've even thanked you for it.
Drew pointed out that Partner stores, (according to Quixtar's main office) do not work like you say they do. Doesn't it sound like you may have explained things is a way that wasn't exactly clear? Can you see it might have been misunderstood? I agree that there were accusations against you that were not fair, but I don't think that I would claim what I did as "bashing" when all I need was some clarification.
"You are WRONG. Period. WRONG WRONG WRONG. You have NO CONCEPT of the Quixtar business opportunity today. Maybe it was different a few years ago. Some things have changed Drew. That happens, you know."
Granted, and if you properly read my posts you see that I gave you the benefit of the doubt twice and called Quixtar to make sure. So it is not me that WRONG WRONG WRONG. I got my information direct from Quixtar themselves just yesterday. Quixtar says IBOs do not get any special pricing from CC. I cannot for the life of me figure out what part of that you can't compute.
If I have my information from the Quixtar HQ I have no idea why you are talking about my concept of the opportunity today or any of that stuff. It has nothing to do with what I know, it is what Quixtar coporate told me. So for the last time QUIXTAR CORPORATE HQ SAYS IBOS RECIEVE NO SPECIAL PRICING FROM CIRCUIT CITY AS A PARTNER STORE!!!! Hopefully that processes this time.
"Hubby's company bought a tv. Hubby went to pick it up. Hubby looked online while in the store. Price online was less than price in store. Hubby returned the tv he was to pickup. He purchased another tv online and selected the option to pick the tv up at the store. Remember, I reviewed the three options with Circuit City??? Well, he chose the option of purchasing online & picking it up at the store. The clerk worked with him, no problem."
I see we are now on to version 3.0 of your story. First your husband went to get the TV and got cash back right there, then you said his company gave him the money to buy it, then said that his company pre-paid, and now your husband returned the first TV, then purchased online. Why do I get this feeling that your story keeps adding in little details only after your story was exposed as wrong?
Your story still does not wash with your original point. It could be that Circuit City had the TV online for less then in the store. It happens. But anyone ordering online could get that price, not just IBOs. When I called Quixtar I was told that the Circuit City website is the same through the Quixtar portal as the direct site, the only diffrence is that when accessed through the web portal PV/BV is calculated.
If Circuit City had an online special that's fine, but anyone can get that special and it was not exclusive to IBOs. At best your husband was a smart shopper, but it was not a benefit of being an IBO, and Quixtar agrees with me.
"As I stated earlier, the price was the price was the price. Period. Whether discounted or not discounted, the price on our website beat the price at the retail store. Get it???"
Yeah and I also get the same thing I have been saying all along. You didn't get that special price because you were an IBO. That special price was available to all Circuit City customers. Because once again I called Quixtar corporate HQ and they made it clear to me that Circuit City does not offer discount or wholesale pricing to Quixtar IBOs.
When you first came here you said your husband told Circuit City that he gets wholesale pricing because of their business relationship and that is not true according to Quixtar Corporate. Your story has changed over and over again which only raises more red flags.
Bottom line is if your husband got a better price it had nothing to do with him being a Quixtar IBO, and I have two phone calls to Quixtar coporate HQ agreeing with me on this, got it?
"Drew - still waiting for our debate."
Everytime I try to respond to your e-mail I get a notice back saying your account is undeliverable.
"If anon got pv/bv from them, then thats can be considered a discount, as you get a percentage of the retail value back."
You don't get that discount back in-store like she was saying, and if you read through the posts you would see that she is saying they got a better price, nothing about PV/BV. Also with only 5%PV/10%BV that was one expensive big screen TV to get $232 back from that purchase.
"GOD...you guys need to get a life -_-"
So since you are posting here as well I guess this applies to you as well. I am always puzzled why people say this as if they are the authority as to what constitutes someone having a life. Typical IBO arrogance.
@kaos
What research? There are better critics here than you who actually know what they're talking about. Being up top doesnt neccesarily mean you make the most money. And the products are a big importance to quixtar.
Breaking up families..heh. I suggest you take from both sides of the story. I'll give you an example.
Dad, Mom, Kids(Bob, Suzy). All in one house
Dad wants kids to go to school, get an education, get a job
Kids were doing this.
Bob graduated, Suzy was in grade 12
Bob was introduced to quixtar. He saw an opportunity to make money
Bob brough upline to the house
Dad and mom thinks its a scam
Suzy thinks its possible since lots of her friends use MAC. Except she was pulled back by Parents.
Bob sees the possibility and registers
Parents are angry, Suzy is confused
Lets say Bob is your typical new IBO who decided to take a year off from school
Bob attends the major function, pays $100 for monthly expenses incl SOT. Parents say its a waste of $100/month
Bob, after 3 months, develops a business mentality and sees things others cant.
Parents are still at an employee mentality which points out that the only way to live is if you get a job and do your rsp/gic (im being generous here..most people dont have those 2). Suzy is confused as she thinks shes been lied to by her parents, as she also sees the possibility and KNOWS and SEES that lots of people who are WEALTHY (not rich) and have a better life doesnt have a career.
See where it gets torn apart?
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Worst case scenario.
Bob develops a business mentality, but lacks confidence and people skills to aquire downlines. He quit. Parents nag on and remind him and tells him to get an education to get a career. As he has developed a business mentality (which is rather open-minded), he knows theres more than one way to make money..and being an employee is the worst way. Through hard work, and some networking skills he decided to work on, he now has 10 companies.
That worst case scenario is true. One of the people i know (outside quixtar) did network marketing at 19, failed at 21, but is now 26, owns 10 companies including a realty and has one of the companies endorsed by Trump.
My reality is now different than to what it was when i was an A/B student. Best quotes from the CDs
"Treat any business as a hobby, itll pay you like a hobby. Treat it seriously, itll pay you seriously"
From John Maxwell
"The height of your altitude is determined by the height of your atitude"
Kristi "I am not more literate than the average Quixtar IBO, most of them just have better things to do than spend time on these sites. I am also a researcher, and this is a part of a current project."
CK writes: You may be correct that you are not more literate than the average Q IBO. I guess I haven't met or been stalked by the average ones, then.
Kristi: "Your argument is just getting into semantics. The difference between "some reality" and "realistic odds"? Reality is defined as "that which is beyond what is perceived; to contain all that can ever be perceived". I'm confused, what did you mean? "
CK writes: a) you keep clinging to your one rather limited definition of reality, and b) I'm pretty sure that you are not confused, and that you recognize the rather large difference between "some reality" and "realistic odds". If not, there really isn't much point in my trying to explain.
Kristi: If the bridge-jumping analogy isn't close to what you were implying - why couldn't you come up with a better example? Until you prove that Quixtar is actually a scam - your argument doesn't hold water.
CK responds: a)I needn't prove whether Q is a scam to demonstrate the low probabability of success with the Q business model, and b) I needn't prove it's a scam to warn others that following the advice of your upline, advice which is condoned by the corporation through it's silence, can likely run you into the poor house, and therefore is worthy of warning.
And the fact that you are seemingly outraged by he bridge-jumper analogy only serves to further illustrate my point (making it the perfect choice, and one I stand by): That your OWN COMMENT, the one condemning the Q-critics for posting here as a warning, IF FOLLOWED TO IT'S OWN NATURAL CONCLUSION, YIELDS ALARMING RESULTS. That being the case, one MUST question that very logic. It's rational and humane or it isn't.
If you are truly a researcher, certainly you can understand this and recognize that you have no right to call into question the desire of some to help others (whether you agree with the help or not), unless your basic modus operandi is that one should NOT try to help others, regardless of the extremity of the damage they wish to inflict. Your own outrage at my example indicates that this is NOT your MO, and therefore you are irrational to denigrate others for doing so. And one of the hallmarks of this business, in the experience of many who post here, is a growing irrationality.
Kristi: "Finally, I have mentioned no theories or opinions. And what, specifically did I exaggerate? (You mentioned hyperbole..) A blog that is run by, and full of, apologists shouldn't fault another for having a cause. "
CK writes: Everything you have written is an opinion. It's your OPINION that Quixtar is not a scam (which is not a legal term, and therefore mostly a subjective comment anyway). It's your OPINION that you are not here espousing any particular dogma or religion (Yet you continue in the very next statement to indicate that 'some people choose to put their faith in their business', a statement which, in MY opinion, indicates that you ARE in fact here to espouse a particular dogma, even though you don't realize it). It is your OPINION that 'most of the information here is irrelevant, taken out of context, or flirting with being untrue'. You offer absolutely NO evidence of this alleged misinformation is, do no comparative analysis to determine that OF the info presented here, over half (a standard definition of 'most') is erroneous, and you offer no refutation of any of this alleged misinformation.
All of which also clearly answers the second part of your question, with regard to exaggeration (after all, you DID just claim that you mentioned NO opinions. Since I just pointed out multiple examples, I guess you were exaggerating)...
Read again. I was NOT faulting you for having a cause. YOU faulted the Q-Critics for having a cause, and YOU implied (erroneously) that you are posting facts whereas we are posting misinformation and opinion. You are welcome to your cause, but ought to strive for some consistency.
Kristi writes: In the meantime, I'm here if anyone else would like to try.
CK writes: You have not successfully chewed what you have bitten off already.
"Treat any business as a hobby, itll pay you like a hobby. Treat it seriously, itll pay you seriously"
From John Maxwell
No wonder quixtar doesn't work. In quixtar, you are a commissioned sales person disguised as an IBO (IMO).
IM,
You're right. My first post may have been unclear. I guess I know my husband and you all do not. So, I trusted what he did & knew that the price online could have been cheaper than at the store. Anyway, my bad. I apologize if I may have been unclear or 'confusing' for some people.
I realize you did not necessarily "bash" me. I however, feel very "bashed" and very insulted by JC, Drew, Perceptive, etc. I think their responses have been unbelievably and unecessarily harsh, unjustified & uncalled for.
As you indicated, if I am wrong, I will admit it. I will even go out of my way to correct it. In this case, I am not wrong. I have absolutely nothing to apologize for. Again, I was just sharing some facts. Facts that support some of the benefits of being affiliated with Quixtar.
Drew,
You said, "Quixtar says IBOs do not get any special pricing from CC. I cannot for the life of me figure out what part of that you can't compute."
Let me explain ONE MORE TIME. I have not stated that IBO's receive special pricing. In fact, I have stated it may or may not be discounted.
I said this: THE PRICE ON THE QUIXTAR SITE BEAT THE PRICE AT THE STORE!!!!!
I don't know what the price was on circuitcity.com. I don't know what the price was on bestbuy.com. I don't know what the price was anywhere else. I don't know what the price may or may not have been if you signed in as a customer vs. an IBO. I just know that when my husband signed onto the Quixtar site with our IBO number, the price that was listed for the tv was CHEAPER than the price at the actual retail store. We got a good deal. That's my whole point. I've been pretty clear on that point the entire time. Initially, I may have missed the details of HOW he got the better deal (I guess I got so excited about it and posted it with the info. I had at the time). In the past 4 days, since it happened, I discovered that he returned the one waiting for him & purchased one through Quixtar.com & picked it up at the store. The price difference was $200+. Ok?
Joe,
You haven't given me anything worth responding to. In your postings, you have proven yourself to be immature, false, misleading & judgemental over & over & over again. I haven't felt compelled to correspond with you. Sorry.
"Let me explain ONE MORE TIME. I have not stated that IBO's receive special pricing. In fact, I have stated it may or may not be discounted."
No, this is what you stated to me, just days ago:
"Drew, every partner store is different. For example, with Gateway, you simply get a 10% discount...nothing else. With Circuit City, you get BOTH PV/BV AND a discounted/wholesale price from Circuit City."
So I called Quixtar and they said this was untrue. Now the only point I am making is that any discount your husband got was a discount anyone could have gotten, not just IBOs. Which makes your original point about your story invalid because no one needs an IBO to get something that Circuit City is offering to everyone.
It sounds like you are pretty much conceding this point, but I just needed to make it clear that you did not state it may or may not be discounted. By your statement I quoted you were clearly telling me IBOs GET a wholesale/discount price.
Anon, it's ok. I believe that you are a good person. But your story is bs. No sales person or manager of CC is going to say "how wondeful you are an IBO, let me open the cash register and refund you the difference between your cost and ours."
Drew,
Ok. I used the word "discounted". I can see where the person completely new to this whole business would have been mislead.
I called it discounted/wholesale. Sue me. Our price on our website was better. It usually is the same or better with any partner store. And, shipping deals are becoming more prevalent. I feel very strongly about our business. I think it's a great deal for prosumers for under $50 a year. It's also a great deal for those who want to make some extra cash. Like me. It helps me be a stay at home mom. I won't apologize for this business. It's awesome. I've not found anything better for the average person who wants flexibility & doesn't have much (or nothing) to invest. And for us, the association has been nothing but a huge blessing.
Drew, once again, I apologize for saying the word "discounted". I'd appreciate an apology for the absurd way you reacted to the whole thing.
Joe,
You said: "But your story is bs. No sales person or manager of CC is going to say "how wondeful you are an IBO, let me open the cash register and refund you the difference between your cost and ours."
Have you read any of my comments in the past couple of days????? There's nothing in there about the CC clerk being a total CC robot/idiot and just blindly handing the money over to my husband. Please re-read.
Thanks all. Have a good weekend.
Anon
Christian, in the meeting i went to, they stressed on making it clear that you'll be running your business in your spear time, thus hobby, if you were to spend the time trying to get a 300 PV p/m you'll prob have to quit your current job, which they stressed that u do not, because they know that you probably wouldn't even sell $100 worth of items p/m then your upline's gonna be pushing you to reach that goal, because if you don't sell, they don't get paid, and you'll probably have to take money out of your account, paycheck to reach that 300 P/V, someone made a comment earlier in the blog, with the doctor, who went up and said, i'm broke but i made the 300 P/V, go figure..
yes of course the products are a big importance, how else would quixtar not be a scam if they weren't selling anything other than inspirational info? if 500,000 people sign up and stays for the first year how much money will each of them make? and it's most likely that, let's be generous say half of them drop out after the first year, how much money will the upline make in that year?
This is my last posting, i just wanna share this with u all, i was invited to a quixtar meeting,(I'm living in The Bahamas) the guy who was standing on the podium looked sharp in h
Yes, this was always a puzzlement to me, too. Diamond Clothiers was, I believe, started well before there was anything decent in the catalog in the way of men's clothing - but once the quality and selection increased, it should have been phased out and the IBO's encouraged to buy from their OWN businesses, not Bill Britt's.
It was explained that if Bill was going to "take the time and effort to make sure we have the best" that we should support him as a reward.
Posted by: quixmire | January 21, 2007 2:19 PM