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November 4, 2006
MarkerMan Productions Receives Accreditation
By David Robison in A/QMOs
The Truth About Quixtar website announced on November 4th; MarkerMan Productions, a Quixtar Professional Development Program, (or Motivational Organization) has received accreditation under the Quixtar Accreditation Program.
MarkerMan Productions is led by Crown Direct Jody Victor.
This marks the third Motivational Organization to receive the distinction of Accreditation.
Efinity and Team 5K were granted the honor earlier this year.
Comments
This "accreditation" still seems meaningless to me. Somebody show me what is different between the accredited systems (efinity, Team 5K, and Markerman) and those that are not such as WWDB. They are all still doing the same thing (tools, functions & profits for the big guys that do not come from Quixtar. If accreditation calls for transparency & accountability, why do we wtill not know how much profit comes from tools for the platinums and above. It seems to me that this whole accreditation thing is a PR campaign to protect the kingpins. I feel prety certain that all the kingpin organizations will be accredited and the new one who challenge the kingpins will not be accredited.
Tex ..., uh, I mean Bob, have you read the IBO Communications Platform? There's a lot of things that groups need to adhere to that they may not currently be doing.
Insider,
The IBO communications platform is supposed to bring transparency and accountability from the motivational organizations. So what do we now know about any of the three accredited organizations that we didn't know before? They are still making the vast majority of their money (yet not being transparent about it) from their tools businesses then from Quixtar.
The three accredited organizations make ALL of their money from their "tools" business. They are not IBOs, they are separate companies, in most cases, to the best of my knowledge for-profit, setup for the purpose of offering training and support to IBOs. The companies don't make a cent from Quixtar.
The companies are owned by IBOs (yes - kingpins) and the company profits go into the pockets of the IBO owners who are making the vast majority of their income, not from Quixtar, but by the companies they own that supposedly tell people how to make money from Quixtar. Who owns Markerman productions? Who gets the profits?
Bob,
It's pretty simple. Typically, once an IBO reaches the Platinum level (once known as "direct" because they are now working directly with the corporation & keeping a tool inventory), they start to get a percentage of their tool volume. When their biz grows, their tool commission grows.
In WWDB, when one reaches Q12 Diamond, they are offered part ownership of WWG. It is a training/support/motivational organization that is owned by the Diamonds & above. Period. They built it. They earned it. They create what comes out of it. They put together the seminars, the weekend conferences, the marketing brochures, the cd's, the dvd's, etc. Do you really expect them to be doing all that for FREE?????
The reason it's for the "top pins" is because they EARNED it and they have helped to create & support the organization!
The tools are useful if you want to build a successful private franchising business. Or, if you just want to grow professionally. Or if you just want to grow personally. Or if you want to improve your experience & results at your job/career. Or if you want to improve your personal relationships. Etc. etc. etc.
Pretty simple stuff.
Insider,
I can tell you for sure that in WWDB, the kingpins stand on stage and showoff their hummers, mansions and other material extravagances. While doing so, the proclaim that building a Quixtar business can result in this kind of lavish lifestyle. The reality is that they are making infinitely more money from their motivational business then Quixtar. Those hummers and mansions were not bought as the result of a Quixtar business, but their so called motivation business. That is fraud. They teach a 2-5 year plan to diamond. If they are good teachers, why hasn't a single person obtained this feat. There are platinums who have been stuck as platinums for years and years. Ron Puryear declared that by now Quixtar would be a $100 billion dollar business. He only missed by 99%. It would be like me telling you at the end of the day we will have $100. But at the end of the day there is only $1. They talk about their business eliminating the middle man. The truth appears to be that XS energy drinks are sold to Logic Nutrition and the resold to kingpin Greg Duncan's Sarshela distributing company who then passes them through Quixtar who finally gets them to the IBO. Duncan's Sarshela buys them for $11 a case, but by the time it gets to the IBO the price has gone up to about $23. And ofcourse, the IBO gets to pay for shipping. That is a lot of middlemen. If there was an ounce of transarency, the kingpins would be honest about the source of their income & not lead dreaming IBOs to the conclusion that by being CORE (CDs, functions, book of the month, Communicate, premier membership)they will gain financial freedom.
According to the Diamond spreadsheet on Amquix, more than 30% of Diamonds reached that level in under 6 years. So 2-5 years seem quite a reasonable claim - and completely contrary to your claim that "nobody achieves this feat".
I don't the guy, never met him, never heard a tape of him, but Ron Puryear has a Founder's Crown business. According to thisbiznow.com a while back the average Founder's Executive Diamond and above business (ie including far smaller pins than Founder's Crown) has an average yearly Quixtar income of just under US$1,000,000/yr.
Could you please explain how Ron Puryear cannot afford a few hummers and a mansion with a A/Q income of likely significantly more than a million bucks a year?
insider,
It's clear our friend "Bob" doesn't know what he's talking about. I am surprised that you're even considering debating him. It not worth the trouble to try and get through to him. I am not sure he even cares how it all works.
He doesn't realize that it's a huge deal to get Quixtar Accredited. They have strict guidelines the team must follow in order to get certified. If bob has a better way to train IBO's, then he should work hard and go though the actual Accreditation process himself and tell us just how strict the corporation is.
Bob,
The side income from being a Quixtar Platinum, Ruby, Emerald, Diamond, etc. simply puts family's in a much better financial position.
For one thing, it's income that is over & above the paycheck from the job. If they take counsel from a wise upline (one who is debt-free, good family life, etc.) they will put that extra income to good use by paying off their debt, getting the kids out of daycare, saving up for college &/or retirement, making WISE investments that give them a good, solid return.
Ever think that after a few years of being Platinum then Ruby, they've paid off their debt & have been putting their extra income to use? Then by the time they hit Diamond they can afford to go buy a Hummer with cash. Or ever think that they got out of debt then made some wise investments then put the profits from those investments to good use?
Maybe their PV/BV checks don't actually, physically PAY for the Hummer. But the PV/BV paychecks and their little side Quixtar biz sure put them in the position that you see on the big screen at those functions!
And by the way, you can't get a "piece of the MO pie" unless you build a good, strong, solid private franchising business through Quixtar.
Make sense to you now?
Anon>"They put together the seminars, the weekend conferences, the marketing brochures, the cd's, the dvd's, etc. Do you really expect them to be doing all that for FREE?????"
Well, those who are higher up in the business do have a lot of free time on their hands since they don't need to work anymore.
Quixtar is supposed to be a business that anyone can do, the products are so superior, they practically sell themselves. (I've been told by my in-laws that all they needed to do was have some XS out at work, and so many people just loved it. Bingo-instant retail, right?)
Since those who have been sucessful in the business truly care about their down line and remember the struggles and sacrifices that they themselves experienced early on, it would seem that the altrusistic side of those wealthy folks would begin to be evident. So.. the answer to Anon's question, from my observations would be a simple "yes," with the exception of taking in money to cover their costs.
Just to keep clear of any unethical business practices, I would suggest that if the successful business people want to expand their career into the motivational speaking / writing venue, they do so outside of Quixtar. If their talent and or insights have value they will be successful in the free enterprise market.
Otherwise, all they're doing is continuing to feed the Quixtar market people with the what they want to hear. They are just fleecing the Quixtar minions who think that the MO stuff is necessary for success when all it may do for a majority of folks is keep them hanging on the their dream whether or not they make a profit or not.
IM> "Since those who have been sucessful in the business truly care about their down line and remember the struggles and sacrifices that they themselves experienced early on, it would seem that the altrusistic side of those wealthy folks would begin to be evident. So.. the answer to Anon's question, from my observations would be a simple "yes," with the exception of taking in money to cover their costs."
Anon>GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!! THINK before you post your comments, IM. That makes NO sense whatsoever. They worked their buns off in the Quixtar biz for 10, 20 or 30 years to have a retirement income, to have time with their family, etc. and they're supposed to GIVE their free time to downline? GIVE ME A BREAK!!! That would be like Tiger Woods going through all the time, energy, lessons, tournaments, travel, expenses, training, and then finally earning his retirement then he starts a training biz & because he's made plenty of money and now he's retired with lots of time on his hands...he's supposed to train the newbies for FREE? HA! Think about your response IM!
IM> "Just to keep clear of any unethical business practices, I would suggest that if the successful business people want to expand their career into the motivational speaking / writing venue, they do so outside of Quixtar. If their talent and or insights have value they will be successful in the free enterprise market."
Anon> So, the successful leaders are supposed to spend years of their lives training & experiencing success in the Private Francising industry only to go train in some completely unrelated field??? HUH???????? Again, YOUR RESPONSE DOESN'T EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE!!!
I think IM, that you've been sold a 'bill of goods'. You've believed the bs "hook, line & sinker". It may be too late for you.
Enjoy your dull, average, "safe" life.
Anon
inquiringmind - many successful IBOs do "expand their motivational speaking / writing venue" outside of A/Q. To claim it's OK for them to train/educate others but not IBOs is just absurd.
Anon,
Why do you conclude that diamonds are debt free & financially wise? Diamond David Shores stood on stage & taught about fanancial wisdom when in fact he hadn't made a house payment in 8 months. A simple search shows the bank foreclosed on his dream home. Kosage says he retired at age 23 but his divorce papers years after his supposed retirement, show he was basically broke as an emerald. So not all emeralds and diamonds are debt freefinancial experts.
Bob,
Here's what I said: " If they take counsel from a wise upline (one who is debt-free, good family life, etc.)".
That doesn't look anything like stating that ALL Diamonds are debt-free & wise. And "upline" is just that...upline! Not always a Diamond!
Bob, you're making ridiculous assumptions with the very straightforward statements I am making. Let me make it clear to you that I am well aware that NOT all diamonds are debt-free, nor "wise", nor honest, nor legit, nor ethical. JUST LIKE IN ANY OTHER INDUSTRY!!! They are PEOPLE and there are some "bad" people in ANY industry.
I said to FIND one that is debt-free & wise. We don't counsel with our two immediate upline because they are not CORE and/or are not having the results we want and/or don't have the lifestyle we want. So, we find upline that DO!
I am simply going by what I SEE with my OWN EYES with our local Diamonds. We have several in our area & my husband and I have been personally mentoring & meeting with one of them. So, I am simply going by what I personally see & hear & experience.
Do you do that kind of background research on your bosses at your job? Or the Board of Directors? Or the OWNER of the company you work for? If not, WHY NOT? When I interviewed for jobs, they promised me a certain level of income if I followed a pattern of successful activity. I did what they said. I worked directly with them. In one job, I did NOT experience the results they promised and I felt I got screwed over! Was it a 'scam'? I don't know. Some people were successful there....some were not. How is that different in our industry?
Here's my point. Pay closer attention to what is written so you can comment with credibility.
Thanks,
Anon
"To claim it's OK for them to train/educate others but not IBOs is just absurd."
I think it's ok for them to train IBOs, just not exclusively IBO's.
COMING UP TOMORROW: Perfecting the analogy of Tiger Woods teaching others to become world renown golfers using the QMO model.
Anon, you said: “Bob, you're making ridiculous assumptions with the very straightforward statements I am making. Let me make it clear to you that I am well aware that NOT all diamonds are debt-free, nor "wise", nor honest, nor legit, nor ethical. JUST LIKE IN ANY OTHER INDUSTRY!!! They are PEOPLE and there are some "bad" people in ANY industry.”
This was in response to Bob’s comment about the Shores’ foreclosure. If the Shores are indeed bad apples and dishonest, why does WWG continue to allow these people to teach, not just their local group, but all of WWG at seminars, rallies and major functions? Surely, Puryear and the board at WWG know of this deception. The integrity within WWG is severely lacking for many Emeralds and above that I know personally. I was involved in WWG for 11 years. I know you think your upline (that you counsel with) is different, better, honest, loves you and wants you to succeed, but I would be VERY careful about who you trust. I thought the same thing and was rudely awakened when we needed to cut system expenses due to a job loss.
Your upline may seem to have the lifestyle you want, debt-free and to be wise, but unless you know and have seen your uplines’ finances personally, you really don’t know if that is true. The Shores are excellent examples of this. I’m sure none of their downline had a clue about their situation. They told us at functions that they moved to Salt Lake so they could build their biz further in a metropolitan area; meanwhile their $14M home was being foreclosed.
You also said: “Here's my point. Pay closer attention to what is written so you can comment with credibility.”
I think that this is one of the most arrogant things I’ve read on this blog. Who are you to dictate how people choose to comment? We are all expressing our opinion based on our experience. Just because you don’t agree does not mean that others’ opinions aren’t valid. You just don’t agree with Bob, and that’s fine. You might want to read “How to win Friends…” again. Out of all the books on the reading list, I truly believe that one is the most beneficial.
"If they take counsel from a wise upline (one who is debt-free, good family life, etc.)"
Wonder how many have taken advice from Bill Britt. Who are the wise? they ALL claim to be wise. Samir Attalah comes to mind as well.
Say what you will but during my 7 years in I never once saw or heard a Diamond through any medium state how broke they were. Even when they WERE.
"Do you do that kind of background research on your bosses at your job? Or the Board of Directors? Or the OWNER of the company you work for? If not, WHY NOT? When I interviewed for jobs, they promised me a certain level of income if I followed a pattern of successful activity. I did what they said. I worked directly with them. In one job, I did NOT experience the results they promised and I felt I got screwed over! Was it a 'scam'? I don't know. Some people were successful there....some were not. How is that different in our industry?"
Now this is funny..."How is that different in our industry?".. well for one thing you tell people its different.
Wonder how many of the 99+% that wind up loosing "followed a pattern of successful activity" and "did NOT experience the results they (were) promised and (they) felt (they) got screwed over!"
TD,
You completely misunderstood my last statement to Bob. You ASSUMED you knew what I meant.
What I meant was for him to pay closer attention to what others are writing so he can comment on what was written. In other words, he MIS READ what I had written AND he PUT WORDS THERE THAT I HADN'T WRITTEN!!! THAT'S ARROGANT! He tried to quote & argue against something I hadn't even written or experienced.
As far as the Shores go...I just know what's on tape/cd. I figure that Ron Puryear knows him better than any ex-ibo downliner does. Also, there's much more to a story than what's written.
However, that is not to say that what he did was right. If indeed, he did just flat out not pay his mortgage. For NO reason?!?!? Sounds like there's more to the story.
Maybe he got in over his head. Like Eric S. Eric (Merchants of Deception) quit his job at only $34,000 a year. In the 80's, was it? STUPID! And if Shores got in over his head...........STUPID! HE'S the one who has to pay for it....not YOU. So, don't worry about it!
I don't LOVE all the diamonds just because they're diamond! For goodness sake....PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start using some common sense when you read these comments & give the IBO's the benefit of the doubt! We are ALL people and have far more in COMMON than not! Know that we are going to think things through & do things based upon OUR lives and OUR experiences and OUR knowledge base...just like the critbots did.
I love the business because I love the model, the products, the websites, the support, the marketing materials, the incentives and most of all....the commission plan. If you're going to be in this industry...it beats the HELL out of Amazon & Ebay!
That's it. Thanks for "listening".
Anon
Ex,
I read through your comments. WHAT'S YOUR POINT???
MY point was that I experienced deception & lies in the J.O.B. world. Why aren't you guys writing all about THAT? How corporate america lies, steals, cheats to get ahead?
Now. We both know that not everybody in corporate america is bad & unethical & does the things I mentioned above. In fact, I'd guess that the majority does NOT do those things and are pretty darn honest & regular folk.
HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM OUR INDUSTRY??? No different. A few people who are either doing it wrong, doing it unethically (wrong) or thinking they're better than anyone else so building the business with a very cocky attitude...only to fall flat on their face.
Most (not ALL) of the 99% who failed just plain quit too soon. Or, didn't do enough. Or didn't do what they were told and tried to do it THEIR way. Or they didn't even try at all.
Most (not ALL) of those who do what they're told (CORE or HARD CORE) with consistency & persistence over time....will reach a goal they had set.
Anon,
No, you assumed that I misread and misinterpreted you. I've read this whole thread and others that you've posted on and I see a pattern with you. Maybe you should switch to decaf XS?
Seriously, believe me, I give current IBOS plenty of benefit of the doubt. It wasn't so long ago, I was one of you and had been for a very long time.
Also, just so you know, phrases in all capital writing on the 'net is considered shouting and many people (including myself) find it to be rude. Just an fyi...
TD,
Yeah. I know all caps is shouting. I feel like I have to (just like with my little kids) because you just are NOT listening!!! You're refusing to take what's being written as real experience. You're (the critbots) are always making assumptions, putting words in others' mouths, mis-reading, mis-interpreting, etc. etc. etc. No matter what one says.....you're gonna believ what you're gonna believe.
What do you mean by a "pattern" with me? I'm straightforward, honest & passionate about what I believe. Better than most other people who just shrug their shoulders and say "whatever"......
Anon
P.S. Decaf XS???? What's the fun in that?!? ;-)
OK, this is going to come across as sarcastic, but if we're going to use Tiger Woods in an analogy, it's only right and proper that we complete the comparison. Here goes:
The Tiger Woods Golf Training Workshop/ Seminar QMO style
1) Begin by letting people dream about all that they would have if they were world class
champion golfers, the free time they’ld have, the charities they could support with all the
money they’ld make.
2) Let them know that this is attainable for them, to become world renown golfers.
3) They would pay for seminars in which they learn a bit about golf, the proper way to
swing, stand, hold the clubs. Let them know that they, too can become world class golfers.
4) Sell them videos of lessons given to other groups’ sessions and and CD’s of you telling stories of how hard the struggle was to actually become a world class golfer.They may have some great bits of knowledge that will work for them.
5) Encourage them to practice on their own, but stress that the sessions and videos(while they do not vary much in information and tend to be mostly inspirational,) aren’t manditory in any way. But, then again, success isn’t manditory either. If they don’t seem
to be improving, have them watch more motivational and inspirational materials that are you sell that lets them know that they, too, can do it, regardless of their golfing ability.
What they need to know is in the information that you sell.
6) Design golf clubs that are of higher quality, the best in the land. Let them know that
these golf clubs, while more than adequate for the novice golfer and more expensive, really are the only way to go. They are worth it because they, too, will become a world class golfer.
7) Don’t worry about teaching the new golfers on how to keep score. That can be a negative thing. They’ll get into that much later on. After all, you wouldn’tfeed steak to a baby, would you?
7) If they should decide that golfing isn’t for them, well, I guess they’re just quitters.
They obviously didn’t have what it takes to be successful.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Oh man, Inquiringmind, that was damn funny!
And right on the money. Sounds exactly like Quixtar.
Here is an interesting thought: If Puryear (& other kingpins) make about 10 times (or more)profit from their motivation companies (and every piece of evidence says they do), then why are they standing on stage proclaiming that Quixtar is the best business in the world? And yes there is plenty of evidence this is true.
Bob said - If Puryear (& other kingpins) make about 10 times (or more)profit from their motivation companies (and every piece of evidence says they do)
I've been around this business and the web quite a long time, and apart from Dexter Yager, I've never seen any evidence at all that "says they do". Care to share your secret evidence with the rest of us? Oh - and accusations made in court submissions are not evidence.
Insider,
I will be happy to share the evidence with you. You can order my tape for $7; or you can attend one of my functions where there will be three sessions at $6 each; or you can apply to my website that will cost you a mere $45 a month. I also have a book this month that you can order for $14.99. Now, don't think wyou will be able to absorb all the evidene at once. You will need to follow up with many more CDSs, books, functions and once in a while I will have a family reunion. That is where I will show you the real good evidence. That will only cost you $150. Just trust me. Pretty soon, you will know so much tht you might be able to sell CDs of your own. But remember, you will have to sign our new vendor arbitration contract. That way if we ever have a disagreement, we can settle it confidentially so no onw will ever know how much money we can make showing our evidence therougg our CDs, functions, books and websites. As a bonus, for only $19.99, I will get you on our telephone voice mail system. That way you can hear the updated pieces of evidence as they come in.
Bob,
You're such an a-hole. You can't even debate with integrity.
Anon,
It appears that you are frustrated and angry. I have access to a wonderful CD that might help you. It is only $7. Also, we are planning a dream night where you are invited to attend (ofcourse the price is $100). Together we can all dream about the day when we have freedom from the need to resort to name calling. Did you learn that from your wise upline?
Anon,
Relax take a deep breath and chill.
Such language from a lady IBO.
I bet the smaller the group, the easier it will be for them to get accreditation. It will be a while before the big groups will get this status.
Posted by: fred | November 5, 2006 6:58 AM
Fred, I didn't think that MMP was small group!
sorry. I apologize for the insinuation of bad language.
anon
Accreditation is a step in the right direction but unless it is enforced, then it's worth is debatable. It's like when I was an IBO and asked about the retail sales rule: My upline told me straight up that it wasn't enforced.
I bet the smaller the group, the easier it will be for them to get accreditation. It will be a while before the big groups will get this status.
Posted by: fred | November 5, 2006 6:58 AM