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October 31, 2006
Alticor Is Hiring
By David Robison in Miscellaneous
The Michigan Governor's race has brought up the issue of Alticor laying off hundreds of jobs, while Dick DeVos was at the helm.
But, don't let that deceive you into thinking that Alticor is all staffed-up. Openings are plentiful, if you meet the qualifications for the job; from Human Resources to operating a skid loader. The jobs aren't just located in Ada, either. You may have the chance to work for Alticor in your very own state, or even abroad.
Here's one example:
Job title Legislative Affairs Specialist
Positions Available 1
Department Washington D.C. Office
Company Alticor - 800
Location/Worksite Washington DC
Type of employment Full time
Shift 1
Job description
Provides support to Alticor's Washington office, within the Legal Division, by performing complex secretarial and administrative tasks under minimal supervision and basic legislative and political research, document preparation and coordination and/or administration of complex matters under close to moderate supervision. This includes drafting of documents and correspondence, direct communication with Congressional Staffers, administration officials and others that interact with the Washington Office.
Minimum Education/Experience Requirements
Associate’s degree and 2-3 years experience on a Congressional staff or in an office dealing with Congress.
Other Requirements:
Computer and office equipment skills. Strong communication skills. Ability to work well with a variety of personnel. Knowledge of legislative terminology and procedures as well as office procedures. Some basic legislative research and writing skills, general business knowledge, basic knowledge of Congressional procedure and regulatory rule making.
Preferences
Bachelor’s degree in political science, economics or other public-policy related area plus 3-5 years of experience in a professional environment. Experience on a Congressional staff is highly desired.
I thought it would be beneficial to Alticor, and to loyal Quixtar Blog readers looking for a job to show you what's available. Dust off those resumes'.
Comments
Deb,
I have been to Grand Rapids and Ada. The area is great, the people are nice, and HQ is impressive.
I had the chance to speak with many Amway(at the time) employees and executives and visit with the people in the area.
I even found a couple of great "watering holes".
Dave
The area is great. It's a little hilly, it's not too far from Lake MI, near all kinds of cool beach towns, and the downtown area is fun. Like many downtowns, it needs more life on the weekends. But hey, every downtown can't be Chicago, can it? OH, and don't forget about the great snow falls on the western side of MI! If you like snow, it's absolutely gorgeous.
Like many downtowns, it needs more life on the weekends.
Visit Toronto some time :)
I thought that the "biz" was all people's ticket to financial independence?
Toronto is cool, Imran! I used to 'live' in Oakville during the week when I was on a project in Canada, and would often drive up there. I love lake towns. Toronto has more of a mix of people than I've ever seen in one place. Very interesting people- watching city! And let's not forget the shopping!!!
Has anyone noticed a significant reduction in quality of content on this blog...
yeah. I've noticed a HUGE lack of activity. No good posts either. I think the critics FINALLY GET IT!!! They GET IT that Quixtar is a REAL, LEGIT opportunity! I think they might even GET IT that the "tools" are, in fact, valuable to the SERIOUS business-minded IBO's! In order to succeed in ANYTHING, one needs to FOCUS, MAKE IT A PRIORITY, TRAIN, PRACTICE, TRAIN, CHANGE FROM THE INSIDE-OUT, etc.
I noticed on a few of the other "anti-success"....oops! I meant to type "anti-Quixtar" sites that the info. is waaaaay old & already proven false or, in some legit cases, handled & done with.
I believe they're running out of hot air. :-) :-) :-)
Anon
Critics pretty much only ever keep repeating the same talking points. When you talk about the "quality" dropping - a lot of the "old" stuff read well but was actually false. A few subjects had "legs" but have since been comprehensively shown to be wrong or irrelevant in the 21st Century. Now they're down to arguing ridiculous things. I think I'm wearing them out :-)
/i
The Truth About Quixtar
Proponents of Quixtar pretty much only ever keep repeating the same talking points. When you talk about the "quality" dropping - some of the "old" stuff, mostly the push for buying from yourself or how the products are competitvely priced since they are concentrated, etc. read well but were actually false. Now they're down to arguing ridiculous things. I think the points made by pro-independent thinking people are wearing them out :-)
The Truth About Quixtar
This proponents of Quixtar is indeed sick of having to repeat the same stuff over and over again, however in this case I'm getting bored of repeating facts rather than talking points. Your post is a typical. No major LOS that I am aware of does not promote merchandising. The Quixtar Accreditation program and the First Circle Initiative require a focus on merchandising. But the critbots just want to talk about a theoretical "by from yourself model" which nobody actually does, and when they're not doing that they want to complain about the cost of Ferrari's compared to Lada's. The stuff I particlarly like of late is these "debates" about whether it's possible to sell the products. How one can debate over a $6.4billion reality is beyond me. This ain't theory. This is fact.
Ok, if I understand you correctly, first,you're admitting that the "buy from yourself" model is a crock. Secondly, since Quixtar makes $6.4 billion (annually, I assume) that it doesn't matter HOW it is done. The mere number justifies and validates the company.
ANON & company:
I think many people have used this site as catharthis to help them through their deprogramming of Quixtar and the motivational organizations. And during that process they have come to realize, as one will with deprogramming, that unless someone (hard core Quixtar defenders) is open to hearing others experiences and accepting them for what they are, it is futile for us to continually try to help others see what they're getting themselves into.
See, what the defenders really fail to realize is that those of us who have been through it and have gotten out, REALLY WANT TO HELP YOU - we don't want you to have to repeat the mistakes we made and we don't want you to have to go through what we went through, or lose what we've lost. I know, I know, and you really want us to know how great it is. The difference is, we've been where you are. So trying to get us to go BACK is even more futile than us getting you to go forward. It's that simple.
So if you think the content has less quality, you might consider that we are tired of arguing, and have reached a point in our post-Quixtar lives where we are able to move on.
Inquiring Mind - of course it's a crock. It's dumb business. It's not illegal though - just not very smart.
Disenchanted & IM,
I understand some of your points. After all, they are a result of YOUR experiences. Howver (and once again!), that does NOT apply to all.
What exactly are you trying to save me from??? Better association? Creating an extra side income of $600-800.00 a month? Learning how to be healthier? Hope? A positive future? Putting more focus on what's REALLY important like God & family? A better marriage?
You don't know me or my background. Let me give you a short synopsis: between me & my hubby - we lost 5 jobs in the past 4 years. Two of the jobs (one mine, one his) were completely out of the blue. Mine was a result of another company taking over & getting rid of the top 10% earners - that's my thanks for being an excellent employee! My hubby was hired to turn an entire division of a company around (and he did so!!!) and he got a "pink slip" as a thank you.
Another job loss was a result of me blindly quitting as a result of pregnancy hormones (that's sarcastic, by the way). I was experiencing terrible guilt from leaving my 14 month old home with a nanny every day from about 7am until about 5:30 or 6pm. SICK!!!!! I had only 2-3 hours a DAY with him! So....I quit my job! I found out a week later I was pregnant with my 2nd child. Anyway, we had decided that if we had to live in a studio apartment & use the bus to afford to raise our own kids, that's what we would do. So, we've stuck to that.
So please....in your "saving" of all these poor, lost IBO's & prospects of IBO's...what are you proposing to them as an alternative to get out of debt? Or to make it possible to raise their own kids? Or to have a retirement plan? Or to send their kiddo's to college? Or to just take a family vacation every other year without putting it on the credit card?
What are the options? Hmmm???? To build a retirement account with what you save at Walmart, Target, Costco, Sam's, Dollar Store??? Go get a part-time job? Get a 2nd job? A 3rd job??? 'Cuz....you know how terribly reliable those jobs are....NOT!
What else....hmmmm....maybe they could try to figure out a new invention? Or go purchase Lotto tickets every week? Get a loan to go to school to get their BS or Masters or PHD or whatever degree to MAYBE find a job that pays $20,000 to 30,000 a year more? Just to take 10-20 years to payoff the LOAN??? Or....I KNOW!!!!! Go get a $50,000 to $1.5 million dollar loan from the bank (a.k.a. DEBT!!!!!!) and go purchase a JOB! You know....purchase a public franchise store. Yeah! Then they can work 6-7 days a week and work for YEARS before breaking even or even making a profit! Ha! That's it! To heck with Quixtar....we've discovered the OTHER secrets to health, wealth & prosperity!!!!!
Obviously...I'm being sarcastic.....
On a serious note.....really.....WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS??????????????????????
Wow! You had an in-home nanny? You must have been making pretty good money.
yup. earned it too. put myself thru college. worked almost 18 years to get to the point of earning six figures a year.
had a kid and flushed it all for that little stinker!!!!! of course i have moments of wondering......;-)
yeah. got rid of the nanny and put the kids before the income.
hey IM, you didn't answer my question: what are the other options for average people just livin' paycheck to paycheck???
thank you for your response. i really am interested.
Sorry, I didn't know that question was directly meant for me.
Possibilities for those living pay- check-to -pay -check.
Get an additional job, like you did with Quixtar.
Weigh and examine wants versus needs.
Be creative with your talents and or interests in ways that could possibly make you money.
Learn to be content with what you have.
Be a dreamer and find what occupation would provide you with the income to live in a way that you desire. Go after what you need for that occupation.
These are just few things off the top of my head that I could come up with. I recently was cut back in my job by 60%, so I know what it is like to feel it in the pocketbook. For this school year, we are examineing our wants versus needs mostly.
It is amazing how many things we buy that we don't really need.
IM,
I understand the "wants" vs. "needs" theory. I agree. We need so very little & we all typically live well beyond our "needs"!!!
Anyway, what my hubby & I are trying to do, is to think beyond our own selfish needs. It'd be easy to just 'cut back' and live well below our means & never strive for anything more. Or just go get another part-time job just to help pay the bills. But what about our kids? Their future? What if my mom has to be in a nursing home? Who's gonna pay for that? What if I'd rather she live with us with 24 hour care than go to a nursing home (provided that's what she wants as well). What about the children who have nobody to take care of them but the 'state' or the federal government? What about those who COULD NOT plan for their futures? Who's going to take care of them?
You see.....our future and our responsibility is much much deeper than just taking care of our own bills and making sure we can get by. It's much more than a part-time, hourly job can provide.
I happen to believe the economists & futurists who are telling us that starting around 2008-2010, our economy is going to head into a depression. One that we've never seen the likes of. It'll last for a few years.
How are most people going to be prepared for that when they're just trying to keep up the monthly payments today???
And do you really think it's ok to tell people to get rid of or "shrink" their dreams so they don't feel so bad? THAT's your answer? To tell people to just 'settle' & "be grateful" for what you have??? WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S WRONG TO WANT TO DO MORE? ACHIEVE MORE? GIVE MORE? BE MORE?
Sorry. I've never settled for average. I never will.
Anon
IM,
The above questions are for you too, if you choose to answer. However, they are mostly for Disenchanted because of some of the things Dis stated previously.
Thanks,
Anon
I don't recall asking anyone to shrink their dreams, settle for anything, (OK, I did say
"Learn to be content with what you have.")or simply be average. You asked for ways a person could make more money, and I simply listed some options.
I am by no means rich. Our annual household income is around 70,000. Some people think that's a pittance, others would love to make that much. It's all relative.
We invest, save, seek financial advice. We are striving to save for our kids' college education, but we see nothing wrong with having them pay a good share of it like my husband did. I can't live my life planning to pay for every disaster that might occur. Living in fear like that would make me a paranoid wreck!
I don't believe that MLM's will be too productive if we have an economic depression, either, as those in the bottom rung of the business won't be able to afford items that are more expensive than those on the market.
I think it is great to want to achieve, give and be more. If you want to have more, than yes, you will need to find another way to make more money. If quixtar is a job you want, than go for it. I just couldn't ask people to buy stuff that I myself wouldn't buy.
BTW, what is your degree in from college? What were you doing before you quit your job and decided to stay home with the kids? (an admirable choice, I must add. I was a stay-at-home mom, too.)
I got a B.S. degree in Marketing. I was going to minor in French as I wanted to ultimately pursue an international marketing career however, I was too burnt out to continue six more months for the minor so I finished & graduated with a 3.5 GPA. Not too bad for a VERY average student like myself. Shows you that marketing is/was my passion. I love it. Always have. I guess that's why retailing our products isn't so crazy or difficult to me. It makes perfect sense.
After leaving my one child with a nanny every day (even working from home 1/2 the time!), I just got too emotional & "guilt" ridden. You see, I come from a large, Catholic family & my mom, my aunts, my sisters & my sisters-in-law all stayed home with their kiddo's. So, I felt an underlying pressure to do the same. Plus, it was just down and out "a mother's love" that drove my decision. My hubby wanted me to be home but being aware of the "strong" woman he married....he left the decision up to me. He still does to this day - although with much stronger 'opinions' from him. ;-)
I will never regret it for my kids' sake. I believe it was the best thing I could've done for them ALTHOUGH at times, I was not the happiest or calmest of moms. I spent several years being quite stressed out while getting used to the idea of being 'at-home' full-time.
When I quit my job, I had several girlfriends approach me with "opportunities" like Pampered Chef, Party-Lite Candles, Mary Kay, Avon, Tastefully Simple, Creative Memories, Stampin' Up, etc. Quite honestly, the MAIN reason I didn't go with any of them was: the product/service line was way too limited. Also, there was way too much competition out there - I mean, every other mom out there was "doing" Pampered Chef or Avon or Creative Memories....how much market share is there if one is competitive & ambitious? I wasn't looking for a little side hobby to keep me from becoming a desperate, bored housewife. I was looking for a part-time to full-time business opportunity. I looked at purchasing a Curves but there was no way I wanted another $50,000-80,000 in debt!
ONE of the many reasons we finally went with the Quixtar opportunity was the vast amount & variety of products & services. Also, the many ways to order. And the support, mentoring & training program. We had been approached with this opportunity probably 12-15 times before we finally really SAW it. Plus, the careers we thought we had until we "retired" ended. Without much input from us. In other words, we suffered through corporate layoffs, pink slips, etc.
We felt we didn't have any other options.
Plus, I've ALWAYS hated going to the big, INCONVENIENT box stores like Target & Walmart. I once had a membership to Sam's Club & didn't go for TWO years! Why? The closest one was at least an hour (one way) out of my way!!! And I was SINGLE! God forbid I throw a family into my busy schedule!
I get SHOCKED that many other moms don't feel how I do & would MUCH rather shop from the convenience of their own home. Especially if it's PROVEN that it's cheaper & there's FREE SHIPPING now too!
Anyway, being a stay-at-home mom.....my online mall business has been my sanity break! ;-)
Please forgive me for such a long post.
Anon
Thanks for sharing. (No, that wasn't meant sarcastically:-))
Well, a marketing degree! Of course Quixtar would work for you. That makes total sense. It is right down your alley.
BTW, the jury's still out in my book regarding the fact that it has been proven that Q# is cheaper. Our Walmart prices must be totally different from those near you.
We're pushing retail very heavily here in Minnesota. There are some who have been working with the local Diamonds & EDC & have put together price comparison sheets in the past two years.
The sheets take about 12-20 randomly selected consumable products (home cleaning, laundry, hair care, vitamins, etc.) and compared them with the top selling competitive product purchased at Target, Walmart, Cub Foods & Simon Delivers (local grocery delivery service).
It then will compare similar sized products & will break it down to unit price, cost per use, cost per month & annual cost.
On an annualized basis, we beat them every time. NOT product by product necessarily BUT overall...one will experience an annual savings of a MINIMUM of 9% over the competition. Now with the free shipping (with an order of $75.00 or more), it's a no-brainer for most people! ;-)
I understand where you're coming from. It's ALWAYS good to do thorough homework. We encourage that to EVERYONE we show this opportunity to.
Anon.
You're in MN. Are you in BWW? You probably have mentioned it earlier, but I forget. Are you heading to the Dells this weekend for a function? I know my inlaws are going.
ANON: What exactly are you trying to save me from??? Better association? Creating an extra side income of $600-800.00 a month? Learning how to be healthier? Hope? A positive future? Putting more focus on what's REALLY important like God & family? A better marriage?
Yes. I don't believe your association is better now. Not based on MY experience and many others in the WWG. If it is for you, well, then maybe you should have been more selective in your choice of friends. Can't say, don't know them. But I do know many in the WWG gang, and I'd rather be by myself, thank you. I'm happy you make an extra $600-800 month. Good for you. I believe one CAN achieve that working the Quixtar business with retail. But if your ultimate goal is to "Go Diamond", I suggest you do find something else. God and family? Yes to both. And again, based on MY experience and many others in WWG, my marriage is better having SURVIVED the experience!
ANON: On a serious note.....really.....WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS??????????????????????
Just what you and IM suggested. Sure, go invent something, why not. Others have done it. Write a book. Become a professional athlete. Seriously. Your chances are just about as good as they are to become Diamond. And then to make it to Q12 Diamond, Double Diamond, etc....well, I'd rather stay home and invent something. There are more authors than Diamonds. More professional athletes than Diamonds too, I'd bet. Because although I do believe Quixtar has some good products, I do not believe they are competitive enough in the marketplace. And I totally disagree that they are less expensive overall. You say you have a marketing degree - then you SHOULD be tearing this business up, especially since you say you do substantial retail. And your downline should be duplicating your efforts at marketing, so they too should be doing quite well.
Sure I'd like to have more than I have now. But I'll tell you what, I have it pretty darn good with my measly JOB. Might get cut next year too, but if I do - then I just know something else is out there waiting for me. And chances are, it would be for less money. So I'll adjust. I don't disagree that one shouldn't STRIVE for more, but I do not believe one should define themselves by how much money one makes. Because in the end, it IS all relative. Someone will always have more than you. So I don't wear a ton of diamonds or drive a fancy car. I don't care. I don't define happiness by wealth or possessions.
Just my experiences and to answer your questions. I must say, however, that I've encountered MORE people in and around, and on sites like this, that have had BAD experiences and have gotten out of the biz than have had good and continue past 5-6 years. That seems to be about the point of awakening. Guess it's just one of those things people have to find out for themselves.
Disenchanted,
Thanks for the response. Here are just a couple of answers to some questions you posed:
Dis> If it is for you, well, then maybe you should have been more selective in your choice of friends. Can't say, don't know them.
Anon> Pretty arrogant remark, Dis. MOST of my friends have been my friends for many many years. A few have joined in the biz as prosumers...most haven't. Still friends. However, my eyes were opened to just how much NEGATIVE ATTITUDES I was being affected by. Not only by my friends....but also my co-workers, church friends, family, etc. Always saying things like "well, that's just the way it is" or "why do you think you deserve better? who are you, anyway?" Yes. Those kinds of attitudes. For the most part...good hearted, kind people. Just.....average.
Dis> You say you have a marketing degree - then you SHOULD be tearing this business up, especially since you say you do substantial retail. And your downline should be duplicating your efforts at marketing, so they too should be doing quite well.
Anon> You're right. However, my FIRST & PRIMARY job right now is RAISING MY KIDS. When my 3 year old goes off to Kindergarten...watch out world! The retailing machine is on the loose! ha! ha! (kinda making fun of myself there...if you didn't catch it). By the way, I never said I did SUBSTANTIAL retail. I WISH! I said I FOCUS on retail. Unfortunately (or, fortunately?) I don't have a day without kids yet. So, until then...I do what I can. I work PART-TIME! ;-)
As far as my downline duplicating.....YOU'RE RIGHT!!! They SHOULD be duplicating what I DO & what I TEACH! Alas, we live in a world of incredible unaccountability, laziness & just doing the bare minimum to get by. I constantly have single people in their early 20's tell me they're too busy to go work ONE LOUSY HOUR of retail with me a week. ONE HOUR!?!?!?!?! UNBELIEVABLE! I want to pop them in the forehead & give them a wake up call! But, that wouldn't be good for business....LOL! Seriously, it's infuriating!!! My hubby & I own several businesses, own a home, a couple cars, boat, two kids, one pet, volunteer with our local church, mom's groups, bible study, kid's activities, social & family activities but we STILL make the time to be CORE & do a minimum of 2-3 webtours a week plus retail.
We're just looking for those few needles in the haystack. We know they're in there! ;-)
Dis> Sure I'd like to have more than I have now. But I'll tell you what, I have it pretty darn good with my measly JOB. Might get cut next year too, but if I do - then I just know something else is out there waiting for me. And chances are, it would be for less money. So I'll adjust.
Anon> We might have even been friends if I'd have met you. However, with the "whatever" type of attitude that you have...I never would have prospected you. I'm going after more of the "whatever it takes" type of attitude in a person.
Dis> I don't disagree that one shouldn't STRIVE for more, but I do not believe one should define themselves by how much money one makes.
Anon> Neither do I!!! We agree on this point.
Dis> Because in the end, it IS all relative. Someone will always have more than you. So I don't wear a ton of diamonds or drive a fancy car. I don't care. I don't define happiness by wealth or possessions.
Anon> NEITHER DO I! Sometimes I cringe when the diamonds & above talk on and on about the "stuff". I've never been totally about the "stuff" while I guess most younger people today are about the "bling". I guess they figure it will draw them in. Then the IMPORTANT stuff will KEEP them in.
My hubby & I are more about the time freedom that the money buys. Also the freedom to help others & cut stress out of our lives. Let me tell you, some of the xtra monies have gone to help a single mom girlfriend of ours keep her home. Another chunk of change went to help a couple (friends) get the tires on their old truck fixed. It kept them in a running vehicle. Those are the types of things that having xtra money around helps make better & it makes life even more worth living. To us, anyway.
By the way, "striving for more", doesn't necessarily mean striving for more money. It goes waaaay beyond that, Dis.
Dis> I must say, however, that I've encountered MORE people in and around, and on sites like this, that have had BAD experiences and have gotten out of the biz than have had good and continue past 5-6 years. That seems to be about the point of awakening. Guess it's just one of those things people have to find out for themselves.
Anon> It's been just over 3 years. I guess only time will tell.
"For the most part...good hearted, kind people. Just.....average."
So how do you define average, aside from the fact that you can pay for stuff for others?
OOps! That should say "how do you define being above average aside from the fact that you can buy stuff for people?"
sheesh! don't you GET IT????? It's called ATTITUDE!!! You know...going above & beyond what's asked or what's required.
it's like this: I just joined a gym because I've let myself (totally MY fault!) get FAT after having kids! Not obese...just FAT! I'm short. So any extra weight on me will make me appear more fat. I could stand to lose 40 lbs. even though looking at me...you may not be able to see it...or agree.
Anyway...back to my point. MOST people are AVERAGE in their attitudes about their weight (as well as many other things in life). They may WANT to change it. But they fall into the "it's the way I am" attitude. Or "I don't have the time" or "I can't afford it" - WHAT?!?!?. In other words....the ABOVE AVERAGE person will LOOK for ways to lose the weight! They will look at the 24 hours a day they have (just like everybody else) and they will MAKE it happen! They will make it a priority. Instead of making excuses for not doing it. I have many girlfriends who belong to the same club. I have had FIVE of them, in the past week, tell me that they haven't been to the club in months...and they list off all kinds of excuses. Now, do I judge them? Absolutely NOT!!! I AM/HAVE BEEN ONE OF THEM!!! I completely understand their excuses. Some are even legit excuses! However, all I'm saying is that is an AVERAGE attitude....an AVERAGE state of mind! I'm no different. I struggle with having an AVERAGE attitude myself! On a daily basis! I have to work hard to be the best I can possibly be! I really & truly believe that most people SETTLE for AVERAGE. They just want to be part of the masses. They don't want to be noticed or do anything too "different". They don't want to "stick their head above the crowds". It's not bad. It just is.
By the way IM....I'm very disappointed in your response to our giving. What a lousy way to look at what we did. Yuck. It reflects a very cynical, dark & untrusting thought process on your part. I do hope & pray that's not reality.
Anon
I do apologize, Anon. After I pressed "post" last night, I thought to myself," Why did I do that?" Your giving to others is a blessing and a very Christ-like thing to do for which I commend you.
I came to realize that what prompted me to make that post was a knee-jerk reaction to what I felt was an attack on average people.
When my inlaws presented Quixtar to me and my husband a few years ago, I felt guilty about so many things. I felt guilty for not having a big enough dream, for being content with my home, my life, my job, and not wanting to give up my time doign what I do so I could spend time chasing a dream I didn't have. I was average! Not jumping on the dream bandwagon made me feel guilty. The thought of joining quixtar made me feel guilty and claustrophobic. I would say that I had to go through a sort of "deprogramming" to realize that it was OK to do what I was doing with my life, and that what I was doing was quite worthwhile, as average as it might be.
I know that some people need the "reach-for-the-stars, go-for-your-dreams, all-inspiring" messages to keep them going, but for me, it belittled what I already do along with many of my hardworking, compassionate, ready-to-help-out-others-at-the-drop of-a-hat-type, average friends and collegues. I guess maybe the problem lies in the subjectivity of the word "average," because it's all relative.
I think you can understand where I'm coming from when you explained that being average isn't bad, it is just different.
So... that's where I'm coming from with my experience with Quixtar.
ANON - My comment regarding your choice of friends was not meant to be arrogant or to insult you. My point was that the folks in WWG were pseudo friends - not really interested in me. The really didn't care to discuss, debate, or even listen. If you're group is the same group, I doubt they've changed much. They present a good front, I'll give 'em that. But I can honestly say that the 'image' of friendship & subsequent reality awakening is one of the things that really turned me off to the business. And that includes Diamond ladies, Emerald, and Platinum. So my point was, I'd rather be by myself than be with people like that. And forgive me, but think about it - you can't be positive all the time. It's not physically or emotionally healthy to push down or ignore negative feelings. True, some deal with them better than others, but to force yourself to 'be happy' all the time is denying an essential part of being human. We're supposed to suffer. Only by experiencing hard times do we learn what we're made of and how to deal with them.
ANON: By the way, I never said I did SUBSTANTIAL retail. I WISH! I said I FOCUS on retail. Unfortunately (or, fortunately?) I don't have a day without kids yet. So, until then...I do what I can. I work PART-TIME! ;-)
Actually, you implied it: "We're pushing retail very heavily here in Minnesota"...'pretty heavy' and 'substantial' are synonomous. I just figured with a marketing degree you'd be noting new ideas down and putting them into practice - even a little bit at a time. I'm not being critical - really - I'm just trying to convey the inconsistencies that I hear from you. You are probably a very nice person. But that doesn't mean you're a good business owner.
And finally, you said: Anon> We might have even been friends if I'd have met you. However, with the "whatever" type of attitude that you have...I never would have prospected you. I'm going after more of the "whatever it takes" type of attitude in a person.
I actually have a pretty darn good attitude. I believe that God has a plan for me, and His plan may not necessarily be MY plan. Therefore, I take what comes and make the best out of it. Yup - I'll whine & complain...it's part of the acceptance process. And guess what?? It works!!! Then I move on. He never closes a door without opening a window. But one thing you ARE right about regarding me - I will not do "Whatever it takes" because sometimes 'whatever it takes' violates my values, my beliefs, my sense of good judgement. If I have to sacrifice the next 2-5 years of my life and do nothing but 'the biz' but have a chance at making $250K year - I won't do it. I'd rather have a balance in my life and make $60-70K year - or whatever. It's not that I'm not motivated - I am. I am quite an accomplisher. I just like to choose what my accomplishments are. And seriously - being a diamond is not tantamount to retirement. It's a JOB too. Just a different format.
Have a great nite.
ANON: You once asked what my issues with the business were. If you're bored one nite, read the following. Word of caution...it's very LONG>
http://www.amquix.info/feedback/feedback_dec03.html
Disenchanted,
Regarding what you said, especially in your last paragraph, I couldn't have said it any better.
IM & Dis,
Thank you both for taking time to respond back to me.
I do agree with some of what you guys said.
Here it is: "diamond" or even the e-commerce industry are not for everyone! I happen to enjoy it. Very very much.
I'm not stupid enough to think that the people who attend the meetings, functions, nuts & bolts, etc. are our best friends. They are business associates. Some are friends. Most are not - they're acquaintances.
My husband and I still have lots of other friends OUTSIDE of this biz. Some are prosumers. Some are not. Fine!
Anyway, I truly believe that the 3 of us agree on more topics than not. I believe in balance. We could die tomorrow. Sorry, I don't want to 'go out' showing the plan! ;-) But it's not that tough to be CORE AND have a life! We do it. It can be done. IF a person is willing to change their calendar and re-prioritize.
I am so passionate about this franchise opportunity only because we've been through so many job losses & changes and really tough financial situations that we had to look at options. We had gone through our savings account. We have a small 401K (from my previous job) that is for our future. We haven't touched that. But we had no retirement plan other than the measly amount in that account (under $50K). We had no college funds saved for our kids (I don't believe in paying for all of it but I do believe in simply helping a little).
We also have learned (because my husband works with seniors & their finances everyday) that if we don't have a plan now, we will be S.O.L. and dependent on the government.
Sorry. I'm not going to take the easy way now (yes, that's what I believe it would be) so that we can lose our home & be dependent on the government or on family later (like in 10 years or so!!!).
Read up on it guys. It has nothing to do with Quixtar! It has to do with what's happening in the economy. What's YOUR plan?
Discipline. That's my plan. Save 10% of what I make. You'd be surprised how quickly it adds up. It doesn't seem like much when you're 18 & putting away $8 week. But good habits, just like bad ones, are hard to break. If you make $10, put $1 away. I may not live like royalty when I retire, but my needs are pretty simple. And if there's some left over, my family can divvy it up. Wise spending, a few good investments (and a few bad), and discipline. That's my plan.
dis,
We should all do that. No matter our level of income. We should also all tithe a minimum of 10% to the church we attend plus tithe to other charities & organizations that need it in addition to the 10% to our church. We should all also eat 5 servings of fruits & veggies every day and get 8 hours of sleep every night.
Unfortunately, dis, we don't live in an ideal "should do" world. MOST people don't have that level of discipline. Good for you that you do. You should be proud of yourself.
However, here's something that you said that concerns me: "I may not live like royalty when I retire, but my needs are pretty simple. And if there's some left over, my family can divvy it up."
Sorry. But that's got to be one of the most selfish statements I've ever heard. Talk about greedy!! What about your kids? Your wife? You don't have a plan for them? IF there's some left over they can 'divvy' it up?!?!? WHAT?!?!? Don't you have any sense of responsibility for your family as a Godly man?
And Disenchanted....who's responsibility is it to take care of God's children who CAN'T take care of themselves? The children of poverty/abuse/neglect/deceased parents, the handicapped, the elderly, the infirm??? Whay say you about those people? I believe in the old african adage that "it takes a village"...
It bugs me that IBO's are called greedy yet most people have your attitude. To just take care of themselves and maybe their immediate family. Make enough to only just barely pay the bills - all under the guise of being a martyr & acting all "humble". Bull. Like John Stossil (not sure of spelling) says on ABC...Give me a Break!
ANON said: However, here's something that you said that concerns me: "I may not live like royalty when I retire, but my needs are pretty simple. And if there's some left over, my family can divvy it up."
Sorry. But that's got to be one of the most selfish statements I've ever heard. Talk about greedy!! What about your kids? Your wife? You don't have a plan for them? IF there's some left over they can 'divvy' it up?!?!? WHAT?!?!? Don't you have any sense of responsibility for your family as a Godly man?
I don't think I'm greedy at all. But first things first - I'm a woman, not a man, & I don't have any kids. I have my 'favorite' charities, and I do volunteer work. I also help my family. But I don't feel any obligation to leave someone wealthy when I leave this earth! If that's your definition of greedy, then in your eyes, I guess I am.
We have planned a head and have plenty of life insurance on both me and my husband to cover things if we should die earlier than is expected, but as for us leaving a huge inheritance for our, assuming adult cildren, well, I didn't realize that that is something expected. I hope that I am raising responsible kids who won't be dependent on their inheritance from us.
My mom died last year at the age of 84. Sure, my brothers and received some money, it was a great gift, but certainly not something I felt I deserved or earned.
BTW, when it comes to solving the problems of the world, no one is expected to solve them all on their own. I think I recall that Dis mentioned earlier that he did contribute and give to others. I know my family does. I don't expect to do it myself. I'm already doing what God has called me to do. He blesses me with gifts both material and those that are not tangible.
I give from what He gives me. That is what He expects from us. The widow's mite may have been small, but it was giving from what she had, it's what He expected.
When it comes to sharing God's love with others, ion both material and spiritual ways, EVERYONE's heart need to be opened and changed. I'd rather use the gidfts God gave me to change hearts and lives to Him than feel that I need to stop what I'm doing already (and I know you think it doesn't need to be a big change to go CORE, but I refuse to SPEND MORE MONEY ON THINGS I DON"T THINK ARE WORTH IT. That is poor stewardship for me and my family.) so I can make up for all the lost people out there who don't understand tithing.
In a nutshell. Do what you are called to do. Use the gifts God gave you. Give from what you have, both in time and money. SOme of us feel we are called to be in positions where we realize that we will not be making much money. That is OK. We are provided for, we share with others, and most of us go far beyond being average.
IM,
Like I have said previously (a few times)...we think more alike than not. We probably agree on 90% or more of the topics discussed, based on your most recent comments.
Here's all I'm saying: if I wanted to do missionary work in another part of the world, I would need money. Instead of BEGGING others for money (which is what several of our friends & acquaintances have been doing by goign church to churc & house to house), we feel God equipped us to fund our ministry ourselves. Or, to give people something back for their "donation". For example, they could purchase basic commodoties for retail & DONATE the PROFIT (difference between retail & wholesale) to their charity of choice. I'm working with a missionary couple right now to set up a website for them so that when they're gone, people can purchase their stuff at retail, the profits are automatically calculated & go straight to the couple for their missionary work in Russia/Ukraine.
I don't want to have to BEG people for money to support MY calling or cause! People are strapped enough as it is. Why not give them something for their donation (other than a tax write-off, a feeling of doing good or checking off a percentage of their monthly tithing).
I believe we both live our lives very similarily. Give all of ourselves to the Lord & what HE has called us to. After all, our time, our energy, our health, our finances, all of our blessings come from HIM and are HIS. We need to use them wisely.
Just be careful. You may believe you are giving all you can in time, energy & money. But it may not be all HE inteded for you to give. Do not limit yourself. That's limiting what GOD made. Just let HIM guide you and set your fears aside.
I think our hearts are in the same place, but we have vastly different philosophies on our calling in life and views of getting what we want.
We are struggling in our church with stewardship. Getting people to realize that all we get is from God and that He tells us to give back to Him our first fruits of our time, money, and talents, Because we live in a sinful world, people, by nature, are afraid to part with what they have. That's why teaching and sharing God's love and what is said in His Word is so important. If everyone would tithe of their income, whether they make $20,000 or a $2,000,000 a year, as God commands, we wouldn't have the problems we do financially in our churches.
Also, when we become afraid to ask people to tithe or let them know of ministry needs, we rob them of chances to serve and give to others. My sis in law would like to become a missionary in Taiwan where she has already done some ministry work. Unfortunately, she is waiting until she is "financially free" to do so. It is too bad because we have some churches in our state that would probably be more than willing to help fund her ministry, but they were never asked. SOmetimes people just need to know that there is a need out there where they can assist.
I just don't recall Jesus telling His disciples to come follow Him just as soon as they've caught enough fish to keep them finacially free for the rest of their lives.
We can serve Jesus with our gifts in the hear and now, big and small, with our huge gifts, and small tithes from sometimes small gifts that He has provided.
"Just be careful. You may believe you are giving all you can in time, energy & money. But it may not be all HE inteded for you to give. Do not limit yourself. That's limiting what GOD made. Just let HIM guide you and set your fears aside."
One thing I've observed thrugh my in-laws is that it seems that their dreams almost do become their God. Maybe it isn't in God's plan for my sis in alw to go back to Taiwan. I would love to see the Lutheran school at which I teach be able to add on without having to worry about money, but maybe the way we want things to be isn't the way God has them planned.
I am uncomfortable with the idea that I've seem expressed in some of the BWW philosopies that just because a dream is one that is God-pleasing, it is spoken into existance, if you don't give up it WILL happen--that's playing God. That's just not how I see Him working in my life.
I'm not sure how I am limiting God? I don't get what you mean here. Does it have something to do with getting "out of my comfort zone" mentality?
Did Anon head to the Dells for the weekend?
no. I'm here IM. I'm part of WWDB. Not BWW. So, not in the Dells. Was actually just with my kids....that's all. :-)
I really do agree with everything you're saying. I just don't see anything wrong with the Quixtar biz as extra 'side' income.
If it got to be before God...I pray I would see that & change things.
My dreams can't be bigger than God because they're not nearly as big as God would have them be! I don't mean tons of money either. What I mean is that I can only dream so big. God sees the whole puzzle while I only see my little piece. So, HE knows I can do so much more with the talents, time & energy HE has blessed me with.
I agree with your tithing philosophy (actually the Bible's tithing philosophy) and am just learning what our responsibilities really are. We just recently started making alot more money through my husbands' job so it's very important to me that we are stewards with that money...according to the bible.
As far as limiting yourself...I meant, limiting your own abilities, time, talents. Yes, getting out of your 'comfort zone'. Doing God's work at your local church AND THEN SOME! I know too many people who stick to just their church on Wednesday's & Sunday's. Maybe could be more? I don't know. That's for GOD to determine in their life.
I hope this makes sense. If not....please forgive me. I just woke up after falling asleep with one of my little boys....it's late and I'm exhausted! ;-)
Anon
Yes, it doesn make sense. Thanks for making clear who ordained "my" philosophy" of titheing. :-)
With your marketing background, I think Quixtar is a very good match for you as a business. As for philosophies on life, giving, interpretations of Scripture...everyone is so different and these topic are so vast and so personal, so close to our hearts, even close friends can debate these without coming to an agreement at times. We may view some of these thing differently, and that is OK. I am happy that you have found what God has called you to do. (I mean that sincerely!)
For me, I find my vocation very rewarding, both professionally and spiritually. I am blessed to be in such a position. There are many people out there who don't know how it feels to actually be excited about heading off to work each (actually, most, but not necessarily every) morning.
I have a sort of love/hate relationship with the "comfort zone" mentality. This is not directed at you, anon, just something I deal with with the BWW teachings. I think that getting out of your CZ is so different for each individual. Some of us who tend to be reactionary, impulsive or daring need to learn to stay IN our comfort zone so we can be productive!
:-)
Thanks for listening. Enjoy you little ones!
Disenchanted,
I apologize for assuming you were a man. I wondered as I wrote that because it appeared you were a female from earlier comments made by you.
Please forgive me for that honest mistake.
Being that you're single with no kids, I understand your viewpoint just a tad better. It makes more sense now.
When I was a single corporate gal with no kids, no other responsibilities or real obligations (other than the ones I CHOSE to have), I didn't think about planning ahead for others either. I didn't think about taking care of my parents (now, just mom). I didn't necessarily think about kids & hubby (until I was 31 - that's when I started my first official investment portfolio). It was just me. I didn't even really have much to leave behind. It would've all gone to my mom (and dad, at that time).
Fast forward about 15 years. Husband, 2 kids, home, pets, coupla cars, several businesses. Also in those 15 years, many job changes & losses, unexpected & unplanned house issues that took savings to repair, family deaths, family tragedies (cancers, crippling accidents, etc.), best friend death, several home moves, broken bones, losing insurance, etc.
Sure puts a whole different perspective on the future and what one needs. I'm not talking about leaving anyone with vast wealth, Dis. I'm talking about leaving a wife with security so if hubby dies, she doesn't have to put the kids in kiddy jail in order to go & earn a living. I'm talking about if wife dies, same thing for hubby. I'm talking about helping the kids (not necessarily paying 100% for it) with college and their future. I'm talking about being able to provide a parent with nursing care in their home, if need be. I'm talking about helping a sister if her husband is killed and didn't prepare for the future adequately enough.
The way the economy is going, in another 3-5 years, our homes will be worth 1/3 to 1/2 of what they're worth today. Unemployment will go up & the stock market will go down. We are headed for some really tough financial times. We're just trying to be prepared for that so we are not a 'burden' to society and so that we will not be foreclosed on & have to go live with family. That's all.
Nothing about huge, vast amounts of wealth there. ;-)
My point, ANON, is simply that I am doing BETTER without the business than I was WITH the business. I don't believe the overall doom & gloom you and others paint of the future of 'other' businesses. Let's face it, if what you predict comes to pass, it will affect ALL aspects of our economy, INCLUDING Quixtar. So having your private franchise business won't put you in any better position than others. Maybe worse - who knows.
You also said - ANON: When I was a single corporate gal with no kids, no other responsibilities or real obligations (other than the ones I CHOSE to have), I didn't think about planning ahead for others either. I didn't think about taking care of my parents (now, just mom). I didn't necessarily think about kids & hubby (until I was 31 - that's when I started my first official investment portfolio). It was just me. I didn't even really have much to leave behind. It would've all gone to my mom (and dad, at that time).
Fast forward about 15 years. Husband, 2 kids, home, pets, coupla cars, several businesses. Also in those 15 years, many job changes & losses, unexpected & unplanned house issues that took savings to repair, family deaths, family tragedies (cancers, crippling accidents, etc.), best friend death, several home moves, broken bones, losing insurance, etc.
First of all, I'm probably older than you are, and all these things you describe above? It's called LIFE. Life is difficult. As I said earlier, it's not supposed to be easy and we are supposed to suffer. Even Puryear's lost a son. The business didn't save them from a tragedy, did it? These things HAPPEN. I could give you a laundry list of my trials & tribulations too, but it's really irrelevant. Bad things happen to EVERYONE. Even if they have money. And good things happen to everyone too, even if they DON'T have money. God doesn't give us things we can't handle. Things we don't want to deal with, yes, absolutely. But not things we can't handle if we lean on Him.
My objection centers around the attitude that Quixtar is a magic fix for all that ails one as one goes through life. "If I have $$ I can deal with it...." and "the only way to be financially free is through Quixtar"...you've said it yourself -
ANON: On a serious note.....really.....WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS??????????????????????
Discussions here and elsewhere have already dispelled the deceptions quoted by Quixtar proponents of 'dead or broke by 65' and other such mantras. And IM is absolutely correct - why spend $$ you wouldn't normally spend on something you wouldn't normally buy? Use THAT money to advance your security. There ARE other options. But if this one is for you, then go for it. I hope you're still posting in 3 years or so...
Dis> I don't believe the overall doom & gloom you and others paint of the future of 'other' businesses. Let's face it, if what you predict comes to pass, it will affect ALL aspects of our economy, INCLUDING Quixtar. So having your private franchise business won't put you in any better position than others. Maybe worse - who knows.
Anon> You're entitled to what you want to believe. It's not Quixtar/WWDB folks making this up. It's based on futurists, economists, specialists who are telling us where we're economically headed based upon history as well as current factual information.
As far as the Quixatr opportunity being any different. I completely disagree with you. We sell basic commodoties. Toiletries. Cleaning & Self hygiene products. People aren't going to stop using them when the economy goes south. They will cut out "luxuries" like Starbucks & movies. As far as pricing (I just KNOW you're headed to that unfounded objection), our products hold up quite nicely when compared to the top selling commodity products out there (lysol, 409, tide). It's already proven.
Dis> Bad things happen to EVERYONE. Even if they have money. And good things happen to everyone too, even if they DON'T have money.
Anon> Um.....yes.....this...is...true. I think, once again, my point is being missed. Must be my fault. I apologize for not making myself clear. Yes. Life happens. Sometimes tougher for some than others. Yes. We should lean on GOD. No kidding!
However, when all of those things happened, we didn't have the finances to handle it! It almost tore our marriage apart. All the stress affected our health in a terrible way. Why? Because MOST of the things I listed happened in the past FOUR YEARS! So, it was a little intense. Having an extra side income (about $600/mo. for very little effort) is extremely nice and helps lower the stress. It helped me continue to be able to stay home with my kids when my husband lost his most recent job.
Dis> My objection centers around the attitude that Quixtar is a magic fix for all that ails one as one goes through life. "If I have $$ I can deal with it...." and "the only way to be financially free is through Quixtar"...you've said it yourself -
ANON: On a serious note.....really.....WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS??????????????????????
Anon> NO ONE has said this is a magic fix. Even me! Do NOT misquote me. What I stated above, is really that: what are the options? No one can give me comparable options that are available to any 'average joe'. Plus, I haven't found anything that encompasses what Quixtar offers such as the vast array of products & services AND taking advantage of where online shopping is going. Plus, I get to totally set my own hours...unlike a part-time job.
Dis> Discussions here and elsewhere have already dispelled the deceptions quoted by Quixtar proponents of 'dead or broke by 65' and other such mantras.
Anon> Ok there Dis....whatever you say....LOL!!!!! The info. came from the federal government & the social security administration. But....believe what you want to believe.
My husband happens to have the opportunity to work DAILY with seniors and SEES their portfolios! It's a crime! At LEAST 50% of them have to work after they 'retire'! And the average 'estate' is less than $300,000!
Dis> And IM is absolutely correct - why spend $$ you wouldn't normally spend on something you wouldn't normally buy?
Anon> What are you TALKING about????? Most people purchase vitamins, laundry detergent, skin care products, cosmetics, cleaning products, toiletries, juices, meal bars such as granola or protein bars, coffee, and basic household items like batteries & light bulbs.
In addition to that: tv's, stereo's, camera's, laptops, printers, ipods, exercise equipment, jeans, t-shirts, shoes, underwear, nylons, hats, mittens, scarves, blenders, refrigerators, stoves, etc. etc. etc.
The list goes on and on.......
Dis> I hope you're still posting in 3 years or so...
Anon> Oh Lord...I hope not. I shouldn't even be posting on here now...it's really a waste of my time. I'm sure most of the critbots are really nice people. After all, we DO have a LOT of basic, foundational beliefs in common. However, I'm not going to change any critbots mind on this site. Nor will you change mine.
Thanks for your time Dis.
Have a great night & God bless you!
Anon
dis,
I commented back a coupla days ago. looks like this site has been put on the back burner for the administrator. ;-)
anon
One thing you miss with your economic analysis, anon, is the switch from brand names to "lesser brands." Even if Quixtar prices compare to the largest brands, how many people will buy the larger brand when right next to it on the shelf is a competing brand that is less expensive? You are correct in stating luxery items are often the first to go, but that often extends to luxeries like buying the higher price laundry cleaner, or garbage bag. When you have to stretch your dollar as far as it goes, el cheapo brand is often the answer, and Quixtar can't compete.
Also, anon, you keep stating you make an extra $600/month, but is this gross or net? How much are your expenses, and how many hours a month do you work? Just trying to figure out your hourly wage, and seeing if there is an alternative for your. You keep suggesting we should have one, but w/out this information, I don't think you are painting a big enough picture for us. For example, if your expenses are $150, meaning you are profitting $450/month, and working 15 hours/week, you are making about $7.50/hour. To offer an alternative, you could get a job at a Target, part-time, with a starting wage of around $6/hour and work 20 hours a week. Using an average of 4.2 weeks/month, your monthly income would be $504, and after taxes, you are looking at closer to $450. Plus, you would get 10% off everything at Target, being an employee.
Of course there are drawbacks, such as having to leave the house to work. But as someone who worked at Target to get through college, that 10% discount was a lifesaver!
dmm,
your example wouldn't work. I'd have to get a sitter for my kiddo's. Today, that costs as much as I'd supposedly be making working part-time at a large discount store like Target or Walmart. Plus, the added expenses of additional clothing, gas, etc. Plus, no matter how hard I work...I can't increase my hourly wage. Sorry, not even a comparable situation.
The $600 AVERAGE is taking into consideration the deduction of expenses and it's about 5 hours a week (give or take). Some weeks I put in 1 hour & some weeks I may put in 8 hours. But the pay remains pretty steady.
Now, however, it's on the increase because we're back to showing the opportunity more & I'm out doing more retail as my kids get older (ie: when they are in school). That way, I'm not schlepping my kids off to daycare to go build this. I'm not paying for them to be watched. I either work it with them OR while they're in school OR I swap with another mom in the biz. I watch her kids while she does an Artistry or a Nutrilite seminar or does some retail & vice versa.
Lots of creative ways to get around the 'expenses' IF one is WILLING.
I LOVE the flexibility of this business!
Anon
ANON: The $600 AVERAGE is taking into consideration the deduction of expenses and it's about 5 hours a week (give or take). Some weeks I put in 1 hour & some weeks I may put in 8 hours. But the pay remains pretty steady.
OK, an average of 20 hours a month. I would be interested to know a few things.
1) How much PV runs through YOUR business monthly, and that's with how many downline?
2) Does WWG still use StarClient?
3) Does Quixtar now distribute bonus checks independently, or do you still have to write your downline their bonus check after you get yours? (I thought this was changing, but I'm not sure where it ended up)
4) How much, on average (monthly) does YOUR family spend on Quixtar products? I'm assuming as a family with kids, you probably do 300pv as a household as is taught (or at least it was). So once you order your basic commodities (tp, laundry soap, etc.) what do you order on a MONTHLY basis to hit 300pv? Since the tp lasts more than a month, and many of the products are concentrated and last much longer than a month, what do you buy?
I'm not being sarcastic at all here. I really want to know. Because when I was in, we had trouble hitting the mark month after month after month without buying stuff we didn't need. I really am curious and hope you can enlighten us.
no problem Dis...here are my answers:
1)We're reaching for the 2500pv mark (primarily through retail & teaching others how to retail so they can make money) but are closer to 1500-1800 right now. I've got 3-4 who run about 80-100pv per month. I've also got many more at 15-25pv per month and some in between. Plus, spontaneous orders....for example, I've taken orders from 4 brand new customers just this week and we've got a new IBO we're setting up on ditto.
2)My upline LOS & I still use Starclient. However, I'm eagerly anticipating e-order being tweaked 'perfected' (tax & shipping calculations) then I'll use that. E-order is much more duplicatable & doesn't cost anything (except a wwdb.com membership which can be as low as $2.95 per month).
3)Both. If you purchase mostly online (ie: through ditto) and so do your customers & IBO's then you'll get your check from Quixtar. If you order through your upline, you'll get a bonus check through your upline. I get both 'cuz I have a ditto and I have online customers/IBO's AND I still sometimes purchase through my upline - like when I need something quicker. I'm trying to get all online though (for convenience/time sake).
4)We get all of our health & vitamin supplements (including kids), seismic kids' juice, xs (lemon, cran-grape, citrus & teaberry), a few of our favorite meal replacement & protein bars, dish soap, dishwasher soap, rinse aid, hand soap, shampoo, conditioner, baby wash, pullups, wipes, tp, paper towels, toothpaste, skin care system plus the moisturizers, cosmetics, deoderant, band-aids, light bulbs, razors, all cleaning products, perfume, cologne, after shave splash, laundry soap, bleach, tri-zyme, softener, office supplies like paper, printer ink, etc. With our monthly ditto, we get free shipping.
I've also done most of our Christmas shopping already...of course, through our own store.
Over time, we've purchased our tv, dvd, computer, elliptical machine, bedding, kitchen towels, wash cloths, kids' clothes, cell phones, etc. through our own store.
90% of the time, I purchase through our own store. When it just doesn't make sense (ie: cheap b-day present for kid or something we don't carry or inexpensive "mom" clothes for me), I'll go to Walmart or Target.
Hope that helps clarify some things for you! :-)
Anon
Dave - have you ever been to Ada?? If I was going to work for Alticor - I wouldn't work anywhere other than "Mecca". It's an absolutely lovely town - and there's a lot of perks to be found at HQ.
Deb
Posted by: Deb | October 31, 2006 2:21 PM