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September 24, 2006
Promotions
By Preston in Quixtar
Worldwide DreamBuilders has a new promotion for Quixtar available on its site: Free shipping to new IBOs and their clients.
It is interesting to note that at the bottom there is a section describing "Standards of Conduct"
World Wide Dreambuilders IBOs have been offered the opportunity to participate in this program because of the high standards of ethics that have been maintained by this organization for many years. This program is being offered to incentivize volume outside of the existing IBO base. As a condition of participation, World Wide Group has agreed to extensive monitoring of this program by Quixtar to ensure that there is no order manipulation to achieve free freight for anyone other than Clients or IBOs less then 90 days in the business. Any existing IBOs who violate Rules or guidelines of the new IBO or Client free shipping test program are subject to Rules sanctions up to and including termination. - (Emphasis added)
I wonder how often Quixtar chooses to do such monitoring. Surely if they have the ability to peak into the inner workings of an organization like WWDB to extensively monitor it they ought to be able to keep a look out for the "bad apples" like my former upline who do not represent the best (or most as some IBOs would say) of Quixtar, could they not?
Comments
Like Anon said, Quixtar has always had the ability to, and does, keep track of orders, PV/BV, volume etc of IBOs. This was done in the past with the "free shipping promotion" for those who sponsored 1 IBO a month. Free shipping for the new IBO, and the sponsoring IBO.
the PDAP will provide the "peaking" you might be speaking of, which is into the workings of tools and system processes.
Thanks for the update though, this is great information!
Anon,
For any new IBO's that register in the month of Sept gets free shipping for orders over $75 for a period of 90 days, new and existing clients get free shipping for orders over $75 indefinetly.
Working with the new Mychoices.biz sites also, the free shipping is a great incentive for registering clients. I've announced the new enhancements to my.biz, and the new mychoices.biz over at my blog this week.
http://mlm.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2006/9/14/2326010.html
Anon said :By the way, shipping is free to existing IBO's who purchase $750.00 or more in one order. That's not too tough to do if you purchase all your basic home care, self care, health supplements, etc. through Quixtar. It's money you're spending anyway. ;-)
Sorry - I don't spend $750 on home care, health supplements, 'etc.' each month 'anyway'. Break it down, that's about $187.00 per week - which doesn't include most groceries, fuel, mortgage/rent, utilities, eating out occasionally, entertainment (I know, I know - I should delay entertainment until I'm a diamond & have unlimited time to do that), medical, etc. If you have that much to spend each week, good for you! But I certainly wouldn't use that to entice people into 'free shipping' with a $750 purchase.
Michael,
Known info., but thanks. :-)
DI,
$187.00 a week is not absurd when you are purchasing all I said. Ours includes alot of non-perishables. Let's put it this way...I was spending about $120.00-150.00 on groceries per week prior to switching to our own store. Now, I try to only go to the grocery store 1-2x a month, at the most! I may stop for fresh fruit but that's about it. Plus, when I go, the dollar amount is the same! So, I took the $250.00 or so a month that I was spending at the grocery store on stuff like paper products, cleaning products, laundry products, shampoo, and so on....and switched it to my own store!
I only go to Walmart &/or Target when I absolutely have to because I switched all those purchases to our online mall as well. As I stated earlier, I'm not a fan of non-existent, grumpy or unqualified clerks nor a fan of walking through mazes to find what I need or waiting in line (almost ALWAYS a line at Walmart because of understaffing).
I know I'm not the only one in my city like this. There are plenty of other people who feel the way I do.
As far as "delaying entertainment or gratification"...obviously you're another critbot who's missing the point. Good Lord. You can have balance! When you hear what is spoken from stage & cd...use common sense!!!
Wow, $750 a month on consumables? You would have to have a huge family or some really, really expensive tastes. Or of course, preferably, many retail customers.
Anon - $187 a week IS absurd when you consider you are buying products that are concentrated to last longer. Even a box of Tide or a bottle of PineSol will last more than a month. Meadowbrook toilet paper - a case - lasts more than a month.
Granted - a box of 36 packs of 9 to 5 coffee at $35 will only last a month, and a box of Protein bars at $19 or meal replacement bars at $21 will only last 9 days for one person! This is where you are making up the bulk of your $187 per week. Again - if this is where you want to spend your $$ to get a few bucks back a month - go right ahead. Foolishly been there myself. But don't act like it's not a lot of money and that most people are willing to overpay for standard products.
I'm not disputing your ability to SPEND the $$ each week - that's easy at AmQuix.
And your statement: As far as "delaying entertainment or gratification"...obviously you're another critbot who's missing the point. Good Lord. You can have balance! When you hear what is spoken from stage & cd...use common sense!!!
ME missing the point? Can't YOU recognize sarcasm when you 'see' it? Geez - lighten up & use common sense!!!
Rara & DI,
You know...we do purchase more than the average Quixtar consumer. For example, we use the entire laundry cleaning system vs. just the laundry detergent. I use the 3 part skin care system plus a few of the time defiance skin care products. I quit smoking so that's kind of been my treat to myself. :-)
My husband & I also have replaced two meals a day with the food bars & XS. We also eat fresh fruit & veggies with those. We've lost a little weight. We are trying to at least maintain the weight loss, if not even lose a few more pounds. Since I've had kids...it's an ongoing BIG struggle for me! ;-)
When I work with new IBO's & Customers, we start their ditto profile with only what they purchase today. Nothing more. Example: I don't add Double X or Daily if they don't take a multi today. That comes with education.
So, we work in their current situation. We don't add to their expenditures. Our goal is to get them the same or better quality products at the same price or less in a more convenient way. Most people love it.
If I talk to someone who tells me that they must go "squeeze the charmin" and "clip the coupons" to live....well then....I wish them the best & I move on to someone else! If they're my friend, I give them grief about it but then I drop the subject. I don't want to risk a friendship over it. There are enough people out there who would love to shop online at discount prices. I don't need to hound my family & friends about it.
So, in conclusion, I realize we spend more at Quixtar than the average person. I don't expect our new people to start where we're at...or even close! For goodness sake, when we first started...I had a tough time maintaining 30pv a month until we were willing to make some changes for the betterment of our health & lifestyle. Our upline never pressured or complained. They just loved on us & encouraged us & continued to be there if/when we needed them. We've continued that type of support to our IBO's & customers.
Keep in mind however, that even though we spend more than the average person on Quixtar consumables......we DON'T spend more than the average family. Most families out there will purchase cases of pop & 1-2 lattes or mochas at Starbucks a day. They just spend money differently than we do. But, you're kidding yourselves if you think it's not getting spent.
The average american family spends $750.00-800.00 per month on "discretionary" items. Keep track sometime...I think you might be suprised. I know I was.
DI,
I was responding to your sarcasm. I just get so sick & tired of the "critics" & former IBO's who have taken things said from stage & Cd, so very literally. They tear apart some of the things said when only common sense was needed. That's all.
Ya know, it's funny. I lost a lot of weight AFTER I got out of the cult. I also found that the protein I use now is much better, and doesn't constipate me like that AmQuix crap did.
Sorry, I find spending $187 a week on garbage like protein bars, make-up, meal replacement bars, toilet paper etc is ridiculous.
You eat no meats, fish or vegetables? Oh that's right you can get all of those nutrients in the vitamins AmQuix sells.
I remember over spending from AmQuix every month in hope of making my 100PV. Now that I'm free, I find that my fiance, and I, save about $300-$400 a month and are never hungry or malnurished.
Back to the weight loss categorie, I remember when I was "in" I felt so lethargic and stressed out. Tired all the time and just "blah" all the time.
However, since I left AmQuix and got back into the gym I went from 225lbs to 195lbs. Not to mention my body fat content went from 11.2% to 4.7%
I have life again, I feel great, I look great and my mind is "free" of all the lies and half truths it was filled with.
And, no amount of PV or residual check would make me feel any better than I do now. I LOVE LIFE!
"Big Dog"
That's funny! The reason you lost the weight after you got out of the business(FYI, it's not a cult), is because you started going to the GYM! Did you not try excersizing when you were in the business? Maybe if you worked out a little more- you would of had a little more energy to sponsor more people.
Weight loss works on the same principle as debt-eat less, workout more, you'll lose weight, I guarantee it! Just like if you spend less money than you make, you won't be in debt.
Simple answers to common problems.
No but you see Michael, IBO's are taught NOT to waste time by going to the gym, or playing baseball, basketball, football etc.
Since I should be "building my business" I was made to feel guilty for enjoying things I loved to do.
I spend much less money than I make noe that I'm not paying a bundle on garbage I never used before joining Qcult like (facial scrubs or energy drinks and vitamins) or paying upwards of $50 for a container of Q* protein and opposed to $25 for top of the line protein.
Sorry there bro, I don't like lying to people and that's why I had a hard time sponsoring others. I couldn't tell people Q* products were better or cheaper because NEITHER is true. Sure the XS is better than Red Bull but if someone doesn't drink energy drinks why should they start? Same with vitamins and facial products.
You just go on and stay "fired up" and "go diamond" just like all the other successful 1 in 10,000 people that go diamond, and do it at the expense of other people's loss. What an ethical "business".
Big Dog,
Your comments don't make much sense, but if you're happy doing what your doing now,then that's great and I am happy for ya. I just see the business differently as many successful IBO's do. Yeah you do have to focus some time on business building, but it's also a matter of your priorities and time management too.
@BIG DOG
Uh, thats your fault you didnt lose wieght..cuz you didnt go to the gym. And who said you cant build your business in the gym? I got someone in my team that did around half of his business from a gym. Even the owner buys B2B products...YOU got in the wrong team..thats all =p
You're right Christian. I just said I had a hard time lying to people so therefore, I didn't approach anyone about the products. I could've built my business in the gym, I chose not to. Just like I chose not to spend upwards of $250 a month on things I never used before joining Q*.
Michael, as far as my comments not making sense, I thought it was pretty clear why I didn't succeed and chose to leave. I DON'T LIKE LYING TO PEOPLE!
BigDog,
sorry to break it to you, but your blanket comments that Quixtar products are never better nor cheaper is lying. You just chose not to see those products that were cheaper, or those products that were better, that's all. And that's ok. Glad to hear your life is going well for you...
Brad, it's not a blanket statement. It could be a metter of taste. However, Q* protein was $50 before tax and shipping, compared to another top of the line protein that is $25 after tax with no shipping. Q* protein tasted like garbage (again, matter of taste) but it also was a health risk to me (backed me up). The protein I use now is easily digestible and tastes a hell of a lot better than the chalk I was drinking.
$78.00 for Double X vitamins as opposed to $15.99 for Centrum? Again matter of taste if you tell me Double X is better since I used both and saw no differnce in my energy level.
$1,300+ for a 27 piece cookware set? How many people you know are gonna spend $1,300+ on pots and pans?
Because something is more concentrated doesn't make it better. I think I'd prefer to use Windex ($2.99) for glass cleaner rather than LOC ($10) glass cleaner.
I just have a hard time pushing LOC glass cleaner over Windex or Q* Ketchup ($5) over Heinz Ketchup($2) or Double X viatmins ($78) over Centrum ($15)
Kinda tough to peddle stuff that is way overpriced.
My life is going well and I hope yours is too
Bigdog,
you are obviously ignorant about ingredients in the products and the research and science backing them. Your ignorance is what prevented you from knowing about the products and contributed to you feeling like you were lying. You seemingly made no attempt to learn that there is glutamine complex in the protein powder as opposed to the "competition" or that Double X has more daily value nutrients, and uses more phytonutrients and less synthetics, than centrum.
But your right. Price to price, Centrum wins. Price to Price, Honda Accord beats Lexus LS430, Price to price target sweaters beat banana republic merino wool pullovers. Price isn't everything...
Hey Brad, I don't care about "glutimine complex" or "more phytonutrients and less synthetics" in Double X. I care about RESULTS. Like I said there was no difference in my 3 months of using Double X compared to Centrum nor Q* protein vs. Muscle Milk. The only differnce was taste and the fact that, the Q* protein wasn't digestible for me.
Do you really think people are going to spend $60 more on vitamins because they have "more phytonutrients and less synthetics"?
Yeah price isn't everything but it is something. Common sense will tell you, if you can get a sweater at Target for $12 and a sweater at Banana Republic for $60 you buy the one for $12 because, in essence, they do the SAME THING! Just like an Accord and a Lexus. Both cars get you from point A to point B, both sweaters keep you warm.
So why would you want to spend $50 more on a sweater or $45,000 more on an automobile? Just to say "I paid $60 for this sweater of $60,000 for this car"?
Ya know, I actually own a Lexus (bought it used) but would it make me any less of a person if I drove an Accord or an Escort, for that matter? No it wouldn't. Does it make me less of a person becuase I wear a Tag Heuer watch instead of a Rolex? Does it make me any less of a person because I own a 3 bedroom house instead of a 12 bedroom mansion? I think not.
The point is there is NO reason to spend money frivolously and foolishly, especially if you don't have it (which most retail customers, nor IBO's for that do). The difference between Double X vitamins and Centrum is so miniscule, that it does not warrant a $60 price hike. Just like 99% of the other products Q* sells.
Not to mention, if someone has never taken vitamins, drank an energy drink, or eaten a meal replacement bar, why should they start?
Double X vitamins $78
Q* meal replacement bars $84
XS Energy drinks $115
(all figures are monthly, figuring 1 meal replacement bar a day and two XS drinks a day)
Total $277 before tax and delivery.
That's almost as much as my monthly grocery bill.
That's all stuff I never used before (except the $15 a month for Centrum) so in essence I was spending $260 on stuff I never used before. How is that not wasting money?
Sorry the above for Double X vitamins should be $53 and XS Energy drinks should be $102. For a total of $241. Still wasted $225 on things I never used.
I agree completely with Big Dog, the Quixtar store is a limited and overpriced option (free shipping or no) that IBO's convince themselves they enjoy and need, in the hopes they get a small stipend of that money back.
Quix IS a cult in a manner, your expected to buy from yourself, and like it, regardless of how good of a deal it may be.
How else could you ever impress upon your downline the need to do the same (to make you money) and keep your upline confident in your loyalty to the cause (to make them money.)
I personally never ONLY shop from a single store, dependent on where I am at in the day and my needs I go where I choose and the store that has the best VALUE for what I WANT and when I want them (not waiting days for shipping and the equivalency of generic label goods.
Truly the best way to support your neighborhood and city is buying local
products from local businesses.
Just to make it clear from my last remark, I mean REAL businesses, not IBO's and there grown up mail order seed pyramid junk.
Thank you Dawson. It's good to see others with common sense and not "Qsense". I don't know anyone that shops at ONLY 1 store.
If I'm in the mood for pizza, I go to a pizza shop. If I'm in the mood for a steak I'll either go to a steakhouse or buy a steak at my grocery store (dependant upon my situation).
I'm not an avid golfer, so why should I pay upwards of $1,500 for a set of Callaway irons instead of $125 for a set of TPX irons?
At least I have a choice as per my needs and wants.
Why should I pay $3.50 for a box of "Fruity Doo's" (or whatever that cereal is called) when I can get the generic Fruit Loops for $1.59?
I know you QDrones will say well "My time is worth money. I shouldn't have to wait in line and deal with miserable clerks who are mad at their J.O.B. Not to mention I save money on gas by not driving to the grocery store"
Barely ever, do I run into a "miserable clerk". Nor do I wait in line for an excessive period of time. My grocery store isn't even a mile from my house. So according to you Qdrones. I should forget about paying $1.59 for Fruity Rings and spend $3.50 on Fruity Doo's. I should also pay $5.00 for Q Ketchup instead of $2.79 for Heinz because it's more convenient? How is it more convenient?
I can run down to my grocery store, pick up a bottle of Ketchup for under $3.00, and have it for my hamburgers and hot dogs in 10 minutes. Or, I can order Q Ketchup for $5.00 (plus shipping) and wait 3 days for it to arrive, but wait, from what I remember orders ship on Tuesday. So if I needed it on Wednesday I'd be waiting a week.
WOW, how convenient that is
I purchase from Banana Republic and not Target for sweaters, and I would get a Lexus over a Honda Accord. We think differently. That does not make me wrong... and it doesn't make you right.
Take care Big Dog.
Yes but what would you do to enable you to get that nicer sweater and car?
Would you knowingly use people and squeeze money from them so you can afford a slightly better class of material wealth?
I have no problems with people wanting nice things, I just believe using ones family, friends and even strangers to propagate those nice things, with the likelihood of causing them hardship down the road is not a moral or happiness inducing life plan.
LOL
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I purchase from Banana Republic and not Target for sweaters, and I would get a Lexus over a Honda Accord. We think differently. That does not make me wrong... and it doesn't make you right.
Take care Big Dog.
Posted by: Brad | September 26, 2006 10:11 PM"
A Lexus is still just a Toyota, Brad.
Mevi > A Lexus is still just a Toyota, Brad.
B> But not a Honda ;-)
Dawson said:
Hey Brad, I don't care about "glutimine complex" or "more phytonutrients and less synthetics" in Double X. I care about RESULTS. Like I said there was no difference in my 3 months of using Double X compared to Centrum
Hey Dawson genius - did you get your homocysteine levels measured? Did you get your Chromosome and DNA damage checked? Did you get your carotenoid levels checked? etc etc etc ....
No? How do can you be sure there was no difference then?
I am so glad I am out of this cult! Everyone in it will eventually realize...they are in a freaking money cult. The Diamonds that make so much from tools should be shot in the head (with a water gun of course-gee don't want to be sued by a crumbling idiot diamond that is losing their qualification) for not revealing their true wealth generator. Their motive is wrong-its not for your benefit, it is all theirs.
I think it is terrible how you defend the higher prices that Quixtar charges. I know there is not a whole lot you can do about it, but I still think you IBO's should be vocal about wanting change. That is the only mechanism to force change.
One huge problem with the Quixtar business is the IBO's are taught to buy the products, no matter how expensive. They then have to talk themselves into the value those products offer to justify the huge increase in costs. Clients would come a lot easier if your prices were even close to what people normally paid for their products at other stores.
Rather than lowering prices, like other retailers, Quixtar chooses to offer larger and larger bonuses to the Kingpins in the form of new FAA credits. They screw the new IBO in favor of the Kingpins who have been in since the beginning of time.
The result is, the Devos and Van Andel families will continue to buy islands, basketball teams, hotels, and other things while the rank and file IBO's struggle to find customers to buy overpriced goods.
Hey insider, I said I didn't care about "glutimine complex" or "more phytonutrients and less synthetics" in Double X.
Dawson had nothing to do with that so leave him out of it. As far as my levels go, who cares? The whole point of those vitamins is ENERGY. And I felt no more energetic taking $78 ($53 when I was in) Double X over $15
Centrum vitamins. What I did feel was, ripped off.
You're right Mevi, wanting nicer things doesn't make you wrong. Everyone wants nice things. My point is not everyone can afford that $60 sweater over the $12 sweater, or the $60,000 automobile over the $12,000 automobile.
Unfortunately many of the IBO's can't afford to pay $50+ for viatmins and over $100 on energy drinks every month just to make a measley $9. Nor can they afford to go to $500 rallies, open meetings, seminars, tapes and books yet they are told, if they want to succeed they must spend all their money (and then some) on all these products and tools.
I ran into hard times simply because my better judgement was in conflict with my upline. I wasn't about to spend $500 to listen to diamonds speak on stage. I wasn't about to stop hanging out with friends I've known for over 15 years or "leave my fiance" like my upline told me to do.
My upline ruined my friends credit at the age of 22. He told my friend not to pay his credit card bills if it meant he couldn't make FED or buy the products or books and tapes.
Maybe your upline is different but mine was a complete and total "tool" (pun intended). I've seen him numerous times since I left Q*, he's never uttered one word to me. Actually that's a good thing :)
Kendall> I think it is terrible how you defend the higher prices that Quixtar charges. I know there is not a whole lot you can do about it, but I still think you IBO's should be vocal about wanting change. That is the only mechanism to force change.
B> right... well the higher the prices, the more profit I have on each sale. As for 'every other business lowering prices'... Banana Republic dress shirts have only gotten more expensive over the past 5 years. Now, they are $98 for premium dress shirt. Why aren't you yelling at them for lowering prices when Target has dress shirts for $14?
And as for Double X being too expensive for people: No problem!! Let's do the Daily vitamin, that is about $7 / month. Still get more nutrients than Centrum, and the price is very reasonable.
Brad said >> "Now, they are $98 for premium dress shirt. Why aren't you yelling at them for lowering prices when Target has dress shirts for $14?"
That's EASY. Because people have a CHOICE! If you don't want to spen $100 on a dress shirt you DON'T HAVE TO!
In Q* you don't have a CHOICE. You'er told to spend your money frivolousy and foolishly whether you want to or not.
Choice, it's a good thing.
About the daily vitamin, how much PV is in that? How many of those do you have to buy to get the same amount of PV you get in Double X?
Taking away choice BigDog? Sorry, I'm not buying it... no one took away your choice!!! They just supplied you with a way to make money by retailing products. You've always had that ability: set up a lemonade stand on the corner of the street as a kid, making T-shirts bashing Quixtar and selling them online. This company just gave you access to products that have 100s of Millions of $$ and countless researchers, patents, and research hours behind them. Your upline might have said "100% personal use!" well... you have the choice. It isnt a BAD idea to purchase and get familiar with your products by using them yourself, but that also is not a requirement to making this business work and is downright stupid if your current income is less that $50 a week and your focus is school (shout to rara ;-) ) This business is, and always has been, "to give the average guy on the street, who's scared to death of his mother-in-law, a chance to make a new beginning." - Rich Devos
As for the Daily vitamin: it is a 6 month supply, and its sugg retail price is the same % markup of Double X: 30.9%. The PV is better percentage on Daily than Double X: $3.06/PV sugg retail$ / PV, compared to $3.09 for Double X.
Everyone should take a multivitamin. If a client can't afford $75 for Double X, I'll supply daily. If an IBO can't afford $52 for Double X, Daily is $28.75 for 6 months. That is $4.79 a month for a multivitamin, multimineral from an organicly processed farm/system, Nutrilite. And people claim that is not competitive?! Right...
I am sorry your mindset on business got so skewed Bigdog. I use different hair care products than satinique because I need special stuff, I don't like the razors so I do not use them and do not promote them, and obviously I am more of a fan of Banana Republic than some of the brands Quixtar provides through Store for More. And... I am an IBO. You always have choice, EVERYONE has choice.
LOL. Why should EVERYONE take a multi-vitamin? Because there's PV in it? Because it's healthy? I bet Banana Republic would have you believe everyone should wear $100 dress shirts too.
Regardless, many people don't take vitamins, nor do they drink energy drinks, eat meal replacement bars etc.
Just like many people don't buy $100 dress shirts.
Sure you can get your PV other ways but these products have the most.
As for this statement
"As for the Daily vitamin: it is a 6 month supply, and its sugg retail price is the same % markup of Double X: 30.9%. The PV is better percentage on Daily than Double X: $3.06/PV sugg retail$ / PV, compared to $3.09 for Double X."
I didn't ask for percentages, I simply asked how much PV is in the Daily Vitamin. There's 25+ PV in Double X and by you calculations I'm guessing there's about 2.3PV in the Daily Vitamin. So while the percentage is better (and not by much at all) You'd have a hard time obtaining that 100PV with a Daily Vitamin.
You are right when you say everyone has a choice. My choice was to leave a business that has a 99.9% failure rate, regain my individuality, and have a clean mind, not filled with half truths and empty promises.
That was my choice.
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My mindset on business is not "skewed" I happen to run a successful business. And any successful business owner knows, in order to be successful you have to PROFIT! I guess Q* IBO'S don't feel the need to profit since 99.9% don't.
They buy into that "95% of small businesses fail in the first 5 years"
Therefore, it seems ok to the IBO to lose money every year.
Seeing as I have a B.S in Business Administration (Finance Concentration) I think I have a pretty good understanding of what it takes to run a successful, ETHICAL business.
In otherwords I don't look to gain from other peoples misfortunes or losses, nor do I buy products I don't use or need in order to get a "bonus" each month.
I'll give you this, good example. The XS energy drinks are quite good. I actually like the product, and since energy drinks are the new craze I look to cash in on it. I had a few customers that bought XS from me at $35.00 a case. However, instead of buying XS from Q* IBO's I buy it on EBAY at about $13.00 a case instead of $20.40 or $25.00 (estimate) after tax, deposit and delivery. Now instead of charging $35 a case I charge $25.
Now I know Q* will have you believe "I'm thinking like a consumer by lowering the price" LOL. However, instead of profiting 28.5% I profit 48%. I also make $12 a case instead of $10.
I also save $12.44 a case on my consumption. But then again I'm not earning PV so I must be losing out. To me that seems like good business.
Now, I know a few of my ex "teammates" customers and if I were a greedy, mean spirited person, I could easily take their business because there is no way they could afford to sell a case of XS for $25. Luckily for them, I'm not like that.
I too want to know why everyone should take a multi-vitamin? Most nutritionists will tell you no vitamin can replace a healthy diet, and if you eat a healthy diet, vitamins are a complete waste. Even the best vitamins have a minute absorbtion rate, and no matter how much you pay for it, the majority of the vitamin you take will go right through your system.
Now, if you have a deficiency or don't eat a half-decent diet, a vitamin may help. But eating a good diet isn't hard. It just takes a little bit of planning and a little bit of self control.
Wow, Dog. Where do I start with someone like you??? Keep 'talking', Dog. You're making yourself look the bigger fool with each typed word.
You don't make ANY sense at all. None....whatsoever! For one thing, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth...PLUS...you don't address things directly.
For example, you were complaining that the multivitamins were way overpriced. So, Brad simply highlights a high quality, less expensive alternative that is offered by Quixtar. He highlights the cost effectiveness & the cost competitiveness of the Daily Multivitamin product. YOU turn it around to be about PV. When originally YOU were complaining about price.
WHY?
Because you DIDN'T LIKE his answer. That's why.
With your LACK of KNOWLEDGE about the products, it's no wonder you could not, with any credibility at all, represent them. There is plenty of information about "WHY take health supplements" from THIRD PARTY sources other than Quixtar, Access Business Group & Alticor. One of these sources is the Journal of American Medical Associations. Another is medical studies performed at such world-renowned institutions as Harvard & Yale. Do some research.
As far as WHY someone would start drinking energy drinks if they didn't before? Plenty of reasons! Like me, alot of people are drinking juices (filled with sugar & preservatives), pop (like Mountain Dew), iced teas filled with unknown, foreign substances, coffee & sugar filled energy drinks. XS is a BETTER ALTERNATIVE to MOST other drinks on the market. We now drink water (all day), milk, XS & Seismic juice and an occasional coffee. We got rid of the regular consumption (and associated costs!) of coffee, boxed juice, pepsi, mountain dew & the occasional iced teas. WE SHIFTED OUR DOLLARS SPENT & ARE CONSUMING PRODUCTS THAT ARE BETTER FOR OUR HEALTH!!!
It's critics like you that I'd love to personally meet, to have a "discussion" with. I'd LOVE it! A good debate....ahhh...there's nothing like it. ;-)
I don't mind a good bit of CONSTRUCTIVE, INTELLIGENT criticism. But, you tout nothing but your own personal opinions about IBO's & Quixtar. Unfortunately, you try tomake it sound like 'fact'. Hopefully, the new IBO's & prospects who check this site out can see through your immature & silly words, Dog.
As far as quitting this biz and getting your "individuality" back.....WHO ARE YOU KIDDING? Please explain to all of us....what in the world is so "individualistic" about shopping at Walmart, Target or Costco? What is so "individualistic" about going to a job? Or, if you own your own biz, as you say, what kind of business is it? Are you in debt over it? How much do you owe the bank? How long will it take for you to pay it off before you can turn a profit? Aren't you just another statistic? Not really that "individualistic", eh Dog?
Take a goooooood look in the mirror "DOG" and really ask yourself what are you doing to be "individualistic"? Also, ask yourself....what kind of an impact are YOU making in this world?
As for me & mine....we're making a POSITIVE impact with each person we see each day. I will continue to fight the battles & go out and share the great news about this awesome opportunity!
Take care, "Dog".
Anon
One other thing Brad, you mention this
"This business is, and always has been, "to give the average guy on the street, who's scared to death of his mother-in-law, a chance to make a new beginning." - Rich Devos"
First of all I love the way you IBO's answer questions and conflicts with what other people say, instead of thinking for yourself. Secondly how much of a chance does a guy have if the failure rate is 99.9%?
Doesn't seem like much of a chance to me.
Hey, Anon why don't you take it down a notch. Must be all hyped up on the Q* Kool-Aid.
If you'd look at the point I was making you'd see that in order to make your 100PV a month you need to spend an excessive amount of money.
Now onto the point of health. You can do all the research you want but the FACT is different supplements, vitamins, diets, workout regimens etc work differently for different people.
Do you really feel the artificial colors and sweeteners they use in XS is healthy? I'm much healthier since I left Q* and stopped eating those meal replacement bars and dry protein bars and went back to a high protein, low fat diet. Eating fresh fruits and vegetables, chicken etc.
Hey I have no problem with the XS drinks, I stated above I liked them, however I like them in moderation. Sure they may be healthier than soda but I can get 24 cans of 12oz soda for $5.00. Through Q* I could get 24 cans of XS for $50.00. Again, like the sweaters, one may be better than the other but THEY BOTH DO THE SAME THING! Quench thirst!
As far as my individuality, it's called THINKING FOR YOURSELF and DOING WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO. I don't go around answering questions with others peoples quotes. Ever notice how most IBO's say the same exact things? How is that individualistic? So other people shop at Walmart, Target, Lowe's Home Depot etc., so what? Do they have the same taste as me? Do they buy the same things as me? Probably not, but I can go into a Q* "open meeting" and see 50 people drinking the same thing, talking the same way, and dressing the same way. I'm not told what to do by anyone, the same cannot be said for you or any other Q* IBO's.
As far as my business goes. Unlike you, I'll answer your questions on my business.
I own a welding company. We sell many products including, welding supplies like helmets, torches, gauges, torch tips, hard hats, turn tables, tungstun etc. We also sell medical oxygen, commercial oxygen, N20, Argon, CO2, Helium, Actylene.
I'm own it with a partner, it's paid off, no debt, I've been turning a profit since I started working for the company, part time, after school, at 16, in 1992 . The business was opened in 1962. It was left to the president in trust by the owner after he passed away in 2000. (50% to the president 10% to each of the owners 5 children) I bought each of the children out of their respective shares and ended up with half of the business.
That was a good investment.
You Q* people and your "I'm making an impact on this world" makes me laugh everytime I hear it (again all IBO's say it. That's not individualistic)
How do you make an impact? By duping people into believing they have a chance to earn millions of $$$$$ in 2-5 years? Do you ever tell them only .0076% of IBO's ever make it to diamond when you're showing "the plan"?
Do you look at people as people? No you look at them as "prospects". Do you make an impact by trying to make people believe they need to take a multi-vitamin or drink an energy drink to be healthy?
Ya know you can go out and jog 3 miles a day for FREE, eat a well balanced diet and be much healthier than someone that just takes a multi-vitamin and drinks XS instead of juice. So tell me again how you're making an impact in a "positive" way.
Because of companies like mine, buildings are built, tunnels are fixed, Cars built, fixed etc. Many businesses depend on materials and goods, companies like mine sell, to stay in business. That's how someone like me makes an impact. Can you say that about your business?
In closing, Anon, you stay "fired up", "go diamond" and become "financially free" and leave your "J.O.B" or whatever other nonsense you Qdrones preach.
Hey insider genius, did you get your hooked on phonics program? Did you ever watch reading rainbow? How about alphabet soup, did you ever eat that?
I am glad you haven't come back on to apologize for insulting me over a quote I didn't even write.
These discussions are much better suited to folks that actually have READING comprehension and don't shoot from the hip of stupidity.
And Annon, the only thing Big Dog lacks is the will to bilk people for their hard earned money for products that I KNOW are not worth the cost, BS ingredients or not.
Quixtar is the true profiteer from all of this, and you are nothing but an overpriced seed salesman selling, buying and living for a tiny slice of that moon pie. You may as well go sell vacuums or True Grit magazine door to door.
At least Big Dog can attempt and pursue individuality. IBO's are instructed NOT to even think it.
Its hard to consider an IBO "Individualistic" when you buy the exact same tie and suit while herding into the same seminars. At the same time listening and reading the "suggested" same books on "duplicating" your upline.
Instead it makes you a brainwashed sheep that tries to shear yourself and other sheep you can teach to do the same.
Independent business owner my @$$.
One other thing about taking vitamins, your body doesn't use any nutrients it already has in full.
Taking a vitamin is alright because it protects against deficiencies, but a deficiency will only happen if your not eating properly or have special needs.
For the majority of people, as long as they eat a well rounded diet (NOT just XS and energy bars) they will urinate out most of the vitamins they just paid you IBO's so much for.
It sorta puts a new meaning to P*$$ing away money.
BigDog, I'm not here to convince you of anything, or really argue with you... regarding what you said:
"First of all I love the way you IBO's answer questions and conflicts with what other people say, instead of thinking for yourself."
His words are how I feel, so I used them. Nothing wrong with it...
" Secondly how much of a chance does a guy have if the failure rate is 99.9%?
Doesn't seem like much of a chance to me. "
You have just defined the level of "success" for the IBO (namely Diamond, right? or are you allowing Platinum?) Either way, you spoke of "choice" earlier... of it being taken away from you... you are now taking it from the IBO. If my goal is to make $100 extra a month and do nothing else, and I reach it, I am successful, that is MY choice. Your definition doesn't matter, and it is arrogant and hypocritical for you to make it seem like it does...
Brad, how contradictory of you. Either that or your lying. Are you telling me people who get into Q* get in to make $100 extra a month??????? Of course working 5-15 hours a week? You can get a part time job, work 15 hours a week and make $100 a WEEK not month.
Sorry, I forgot you have a great chance of going platinum at .4% chance or approximately 1 in 240. So the failure rate of going platinum is 99.6% 1 in approximately 14,000 will go diamond. Regardless, to say your goal, or anyone you show "the plan" to is to make $100 a month is not only farce it's bold face LIE.
As for ths statement by you "Your definition doesn't matter, and it is arrogant and hypocritical for you to make it seem like it does..."
To say I'm arrogant or hypocritical is not true. How am I arrogant? I've NEVER claimed to be better than anyone either in Q* or not. Secondly, how am I hypocritical? What have I done to earn that title? Because I run my business and make money? Because I don't buy things for my company that I don't need or use?
Ya see Brad, if there's anyone that's "hypocritical" or "Arrogant" it's the "diamonds" on stage or on tape that say "People who work jobs are LOSERS" "people that go to college are LOSERS"
That's arroagnce buddy! These people feel they're far superior to the working man, why? Because they have more money? A nicer car? A bigger house? Sorry, materialistic BS doesn't make you a better person, it just makes you a person with nicer materialistic BS.
How are they hypocritical you may ask. Well, it seems to me most of the diamonds are ex accountants, engineers, doctors, lawyers etc. Do you not need a college education to receive a degree in those fields? Last time I checked, you do.
So what are these people saying? That's it's ok for them to go to college and get a degree but it's not ok for someone else?
What gives these people the right to label other people "losers" or "broke"?
You say if your goal was to make $100 extra a month (LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! WHAT A LIE) and you do than you're successful, correct? So what's to say someone's goal in life is to get a college education, graduate with a degree, get into a profession they enjoy, buy a house, get married and have children. They accomplish all of that, but according to these "diamonds" these people are not successful, they're "broke" or they're "losers"
That my friend, is not only arrogant and hypocritical, it's down right wrong and uncalled for.
Thanks Bigdog.
Dawson, OUTSTANDING points. I never even thought of that. How can one be an "individual" when they're taught to "duplicate" and teach others to "do the same"?
You get a gold star lol. I wonder how they'll respond to your intelligent post.
Dawson> Its hard to consider an IBO "Individualistic" when you buy the exact same tie and suit while herding into the same seminars. At the same time listening and reading the "suggested" same books on "duplicating" your upline.
Instead it makes you a brainwashed sheep that tries to shear yourself and other sheep you can teach to do the same.
Independent business owner my @$$.
B> Ok Dawson, here's your chance. Instruct us on how to best improve our financial standing in life and please provide the avenues of instruction such that we can then become teachers of that same method. O yeah, and please provide us with how that has worked for you and where you are placing the credility that your method of accomplishing this works.
Thanks Big Dog,
I doubt they will respond, its far easier to ignore arguments.
The Cult cure all in Quixtar is the blocking of "negative" influences and points of view. This includes ANYONE that has a original thought or question that deviates from the "system".
Of course the upline doesn't want you questioning the rationale of their teaching, the whole house of business cards would crash in a puff of free thought.
Instead, its an "if you are not with us your against us" philosophy that keeps the Dependent Business Owner (DBO) in the stream of revenue and dogma the big pins so desperately want/need.
I feel bad for people caught up in this, as well as for their family and friends. Its a destructive cycle built on greed and control, hopefully someday it will change dramatically or crash.
Brad, do you hear yourself? Do you actually read the drivel, you're posting?
It's NOT Dawson's "JOB" to give you an avenue to improve your financial standing.
But I'll say this. I guarantee you could Dawson, myself, Kendall, DMM, Mevi or any other "critbot" on stage and we could get you "fired up" with bold face lies and false hope if the price was right.
It's your "JOB" to make your own way.
I know that whole hogwash about "I'm making a difference. I'm helping out other people by showing them a great (opporunity)"
Come on Brad, do you really believe that in your, heart of hearts? In the end it's all about $$$$$$.
I'll tell ya what, if you're so gung ho about helpng others succeed, why not do this? When your downlines earn PV checks and bonuses, tell your upline you don't want your PV bonus check, because with the way you make it sound, it's all about helping people become "financially free".
You'd NEVER do that would you? When big PINS earn their huge checks, do you really think they care that many of their downlines are LOSING money?
Maybe you're different but I doubt you'd care if your downlines were losing money as long as they kept buying that 100PV every month to make you a bigger check.
Try a dose of reality for a change.
Just because you listen to someone preach on how they were successful doesn't mean you'll ever come close.
I could go listen to Derek Jeter talk about how he's a successful baseball player and it doesn't mean I'll EVER get close to the amount of success he's had, even if I did EVERYTHING he did.
Thanks BigDog.
Dawson, what constructive advice, barring "quit Quixtar" do you have to help people who wish do better than just work a job and invest in 401k hoping for enough for retirement? Thanks.
I agree Dawson. The whole concept is built upon GREED. Money makes people nuts, it controls people and makes them do foolish things.
In the 1970's there was a group called "The OJ's" (don't know if you're old enough to remember them) but they sang a song (and I'm sure you've heard it) called "For the Love of Money" and it talks about the lengths and depths they will stoop to, to get their hands on it.
Just look at that NBC Dateline report with the "immortal" Bill Britt saying, on stage, and I quote "I got into this business for 5 reasons. First reason, was money. 2nd reason...., was money (Qcult members laugh). As a matter of fact, that's all 5 reasons."
So much for helping the average man. The only reason people get into this "business" is to make $$$$$$ no matter who they hurt or how stupid they sound.
I also feel sorry for people caught up in this scam. I read another one of your posts (forgot on which topic) and it was brilliant. It was about the psychological grip they hold upon people because they play on people's fears and love.
People feel so scared of being "broke" that they continue to widdle away their bank account in hopes of one day, becoming "financially free".
Yet, they use their tapes, books, meetings, seminars and rallies to keep people's hopes uplifted to the point where, they feel, they actually have a chance of becoming "diamond"
It's amazing, how powerful the mind is and how easily it can be corrupted.
You're a wise man Dawson. I know these Quixbots will have us believe they're "helping" people and will ask "What are you doing to help people. What are you doing to change the world"?
I think people like you and I are doing a lot to help the average man or woman make the same mistake we did.
Brad,
My lot in life is not to be a financial consultant. Thank for that!
I believe that one has to determine for themselves what their goals and dreams in might be. Including making mistakes and learning through experience.
To assume that money and material possessions is all that there is to life is to underestimate the possibilities that this reality holds for us as sentient beings.
Too often we are willing to freely give our will and thought up to those that profess to have "the way". Immanuel Kant had a term for that he called "nonage" or "immaturity"
The following is quoted from Kant's "On Enlightenment"
Immaturity is the inability to use one's understanding without guidance from another. This immaturity is self-imposed when its cause lies not in lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without guidance from another.
Sapere Aude! [dare to know] "Have courage to use your own understanding!"--that is the motto of enlightenment.
With that I agree, so I do not have another path to guide you to Brad, but I would caution you on following other peoples roads that are gilded in fools gold.
LOL. This statement, from my last post, "I think people like you and I are doing a lot to help the average man or woman make the same mistake we did."
should read; I think people like you and I are doing a lot to help KEEP the average man or woman from making the same mistake we did
I knew what you meant Big Dog, but good catch.
My last comment was abbreviated as well, the first line was supposed to end
"Thank (insert your deity here) for that!
I used arrows by mistake and the site wiped it.
Alas the second line was supposed to read "goals and dreams in LIFE might be"
Darn typos.
wow .. I've missed some fun here :-) Well yes, apologies dawson for this misquote, it was i belive "big dog" I should be addressing?
Seems to be some incredibly brainwashed "critbots" have joined the fray here. They have no comprehension of the size and diversity of this business (heck I don't even have a blue suit or red tie) and they certainly have no knowledge in the latest in nutrition research, both regarding quality of food and the benefits of supplementation.
But that's their problem, not mine. Have a nice day :-)
LOL. Thanks for the laugh insider. "brainwashed critbots". Mind explaining exactly what that means?
Us critbots think for OURSELVES. Nobody tells us what to say, what to buy, what to listen to or how to act. Brainwashed folk just follow their leader blindly, without question, much like the people in Q*. So please enlighten me on how us "critbots" are brainwashed.
Perhaps I don't know as much as you on supplementation but I do have common sense enough to know that I wouldn't pay $50 for undigestible protein when I can get digestible, much better tasting, protein for half price.
Quality of food? What food are you talking about? Q* Ketchup as opposed to Heinz Ketchup? Fruity Doo's vs Fruit Rings?
I'll respond to you tomorrow. I have a baseball game to get to.
Dawson, hopefully I see you tomorrow as well.
Go gettem BIG DOG!
I'm not a financial advisor, nor do I wish to become an inspirational speaker, but if your goal is to make an extra $100/month, I have a nearly fool proof way of making it. Get a part-time job at minimum wage, and work 1 6 hour shift a week. Do the math, and it works out to around $30/week, which means, after taxes, you are looking at $100/month. No other expenses, and an easy way to make more; you can work more hours, find a job that pays more then minimum, or find a different pt job that pays more!
Hey Insider,
If you have so much knowledge on the business and are so successful. Why are you on this site?
Shouldn't you be out driving the miles after midnight, going hard CORE. So you should not have any time to waste here.
Just a thought to someone as successful as you are taking your valuable time to write to us Q* quitters.
Big Dog - The "brainwashing" comment was mostly in regard to believing the propoganda on "you can get all you need by eating well". Even the American Medical Association gave up on that in 2002, but your still spouting the discredited "party line". The nutritional content of food has plummeted in the last 40+ years due to changes in production methods, and concurrent with this nutritional requirements have gone up (more pollution, stress etc). Unless you've got your own organic heritage seed based farms then your nutritional intake is probably crap.
As for your other comments, I think for myself, nobody tells me what to say, what to buy, what to listen to or how to act. I question my upline incessantly and am encouraged to do so. They give me advice, when I ask for it, and some of it I take, some of it I don't. It's advice dude.
Many critbots seem to have been brainwashed into thinking that whenever someone gives you advice, then it is actually an order. Well guess again, there's an I in IBO and it stands for Independent. If you want to make money in this business, then you better damn well take responsibility for your business. If you think like some brainwashed employee who just takes orders from the boss and does what he is told without thinking, well you'll end up whining on QuixtarBlog how the whole thing doesn't work.
David - Maybe that BS critbots tell about it being impossible to be "free" is just that - BS. I'm here 'cause arguing is my hobby and I just love discrediting the critbot talking points.
Big Dog said:
Hey, Anon why don't you take it down a notch. Must be all hyped up on the Q* Kool-Aid.
Anon:
Ooooohhhhh you silly, little man. You crack me up! "hyped up on Q* Kool-Aid"??????? What?!?!?!? Are you still living in the 70's??? I'll say one thing Dog, you are good for a laugh! ;-)
Big Dog said:
Hey I have no problem with the XS drinks, I stated above I liked them, however I like them in moderation. Sure they may be healthier than soda but I can get 24 cans of 12oz soda for $5.00. Through Q* I could get 24 cans of XS for $50.00. Again, like the sweaters, one may be better than the other but THEY BOTH DO THE SAME THING! Quench thirst!
Anon:
Perfect example of someone I would never waste time prospecting. If you don't give a rip about what you put into or on your body, then I can't help you. Nobody can. No matter the price, location or level of convenience.
Big Dog said:
As far as my individuality, it's called THINKING FOR YOURSELF and DOING WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO. I don't go around answering questions with others peoples quotes. Ever notice how most IBO's say the same exact things? How is that individualistic? So other people shop at Walmart, Target, Lowe's Home Depot etc., so what? Do they have the same taste as me? Do they buy the same things as me? Probably not, but I can go into a Q* "open meeting" and see 50 people drinking the same thing, talking the same way, and dressing the same way. I'm not told what to do by anyone, the same cannot be said for you or any other Q* IBO's.
Anon:
First of all, we ALL think for ourselves. That's built-in. Secondly, do you REALLY do what YOU want to do....WHEN you want to do it??? C'mon now Doggie....be honest!!! You don't answer to ANYBODY at work? What if an employee doesn't show? Wouldn't your partner care if you just left for a month's vacation to the Bahama's without much notice? You really just come & go as you please? Remember, we're striving for HONESTY! ;-)
As far as saying the same things as others....I believe the SAME can certainly be said about you critbots! I re-read the same cult & "price" garbage on almost every blog. I mean you guys have just GOT to get with the program! You really do need to get updated....you're just soooo funny!!!
Ummm....have you seen the array of products that Quixtar offers through their site? Millions.......I'm sure I don't buy the same stuff that all the other IBO's out there buy. As far as wearing the same thing....ummmm....again....are you stuck in the 70's? That was then....this is NOW! As far as "individuality" is concerned....if that's what you're striving for....go for it! IBO's are MUCH more "individualistic" and doing "their own thing" than the masses out there. You are just part of the "each man for himself" masses. You & good 'ole Dawson, that is.
Big Dog said:
I'm own it with a partner, it's paid off, no debt, I've been turning a profit since I started working for the company, part time, after school, at 16, in 1992 . The business was opened in 1962. It was left to the president in trust by the owner after he passed away in 2000. (50% to the president 10% to each of the owners 5 children) I bought each of the children out of their respective shares and ended up with half of the business.
That was a good investment.
Anon:
Oh. So you didn't start this biz. You bought into an already debt-free, profitable business. Well, Big Dog, would you be so kind as to share with us how a 16 year old kid was able to buy out 1/2 of a profitable business....on your own, no less?!? With NO debt or start up capital fees? No loans??? Do you really believe this is the norm for people starting their own businesses?
Big Dog said:
Do you look at people as people? No you look at them as "prospects".
Anon:
WRONG!!!!!!! You get a big, fat ZERO for that extremely assumptive answer!!! THAT is your problem Big Dog. You really believe that all of us IBO's are out for blood. Blood money, that is. Ha! Little do you know....such petty thinking.
I have several friends & family members whose memberships have expired but I continue to sell them products at cost OR GIVE them to them! I have one downline who hasn't earned a bonus check in months! Yet, I just brought over two FULL bags of groceries to help her out because of her husbands health issues, she works full time & has 5 kids!!! I CARE about her & her family! THAT comes first! I have SERVED my "downline" (really, most of them are now FRIENDS) and have been abused by THEM!
Be careful what you say Big Dog. If you're going to come on a site like this....at least be TRUTHFUL!
Big Dog said:
Do you make an impact by trying to make people believe they need to take a multi-vitamin or drink an energy drink to be healthy? Ya know you can go out and jog 3 miles a day for FREE, eat a well balanced diet and be much healthier than someone that just takes a multi-vitamin and drinks XS instead of juice. So tell me again how you're making an impact in a "positive" way.
Anon:
I don't try to "make people believe" anything. Once again, a perfect example of your mindset....back when you "tried" the business for a very short amount of time....and now.
I share information. Once they're informed, it's up to them what they do next.
As far as taking a supplement & drinking an XS instead of something less healthy.....YES, I believe I'm making a positive impact with people. And again Dog, you are making another dangerous assumption by thinking that I (and other IBO's) are not promoting exercise, lots of water, fruits, veggies, good sleep, etc. with our health supplements. Tsk, tsk, tsk. So many mistakes Dog! You may want to "think" before you type.
Big Dog said:
In closing, Anon, you stay "fired up", "go diamond" and become "financially free" and leave your "J.O.B" or whatever other nonsense you Qdrones preach.
Anon:
Oh....I will, Dog.....I will! :-)!!!!
DAWSON said:
One other thing about taking vitamins, your body doesn't use any nutrients it already has in full.
Taking a vitamin is alright because it protects against deficiencies, but a deficiency will only happen if your not eating properly or have special needs.
For the majority of people, as long as they eat a well rounded diet (NOT just XS and energy bars) they will urinate out most of the vitamins they just paid you IBO's so much for.
Anon:
What planet are you living on, Dawson? How many people do you know who are actually eating FIVE (yes, I said FIVE) fruits & veggies per DAY??? Maybe per WEEK...but hardly per DAY!
Don't you realize that OBESITY is fast becoming the greatest killer of Americans? Most people I know (sometimes, including myself!) are eating pre-packaged foods, fast foods, and drinking pop or sugar-filled energy drinks or 2-3 coffees (latte, cappucino, mocha) a day....on a REGULAR basis.
It's all over the news man! You MUST know this! I can tell by your writing & your dry humor that you have a fairly high level of intelligence. Think about it...and do some research.
So, I am doing my part, now that I have gotten further educated, to live a healthier life & to educate others on how they can do the same.
Dawson said:
It sorta puts a new meaning to P*$$ing away money.
Anon:
Good humor Dawson! :-)
You guys crack me up & give me a good laugh!!! Sometimes because of some of the things you write, I think you cannot be for real. You must be being PAID to write such out-dated rubbish! But...alas...I think you would have "plugged" another MLM or major retailer by now, if that were the case.
Have a great & awesome day...Cya!
Minimum $900/mo mark reached. Still at 10-15hrs/week. Hey BigDog..say whatever you want but me and the guys i sponsored are making money.
Next up for october..$1000/mo minimum. So far, i have 8hours booked for meetings/product demo. That leaves me with 7hrs to allocate.
"are you stuck in the 70's?"
Big Dog's experiences were within the last year. Many others were in the last several years.
Sorry, but the Quixtar Web Initiative think tank needs to come up with something better than that.
Next it will be, "that was so five minutes ago. We've changed...wait...we just changed again...no wait..."
Also, you are not taught to think for yourselves. You are taught to duplicate exactly what your upline does.
Finally, why does Costco do SO much more business than Quixtar? They offer similar products and have been around only half as long. Is it because they provide better value to their customers in the form of lower prices and better quality goods? That would be too simple.
I shopped at Costco before my Quixtar experience, and I still shop there now. Curiously, I don't buy anything from Quixtar. Hmmmm.
Anon you said - "Well, Big Dog, would you be so kind as to share with us how a 16 year old kid was able to buy out 1/2 of a profitable business....on your own, no less?!? With NO debt or start up capital fees? No loans??? Do you really believe this is the norm for people starting their own businesses?"
Do you know anything about reading comprehension? Go back and read it again. I said I started working for the company in 1992 at the age of 16. I then said I bought the childrens respective shares in 2000. Now let's do the math. That would make me ....... hmmmmmm 24 when I bought out the respective shares.
Even if I did have the money to buy half of a business at 16, what business of that is yours?
As far as all of your other mumbo jumbo garb that you posted, it's all the same drivel. I'm just curious how you can possibly state that your individualistic when, in Q*, you're told "Buy from yourself and teach others to do the SAME" or to "Duplicate your upline to be successful"
In my vocabulary the words DUPLICATE and SAME are antonyms of individual.
Insider said - " Unless you've got your own organic heritage seed based farms then your nutritional intake is probably crap."
Really? DO you know what my diet consists of? Do you have any idea what kind of shape I'm in?
Tell ya what, next time you're in NY stop by and see me, we'll hit the gym together. Let's see if you can keep up with me. I'll eat my usual "crap" and you can take your Nutralite Vitamins, XS energy drinks and Q* meal replacement bars. I got $10 on myself.
Why does Hyundai do SO much more business than Ferrari? They offer similar products and have been around less than half as long. Is it because they provide better value to their customers in the form of lower prices and better quality goods? That would be too simple.
Yes Kendall, that would be too simple.
So Insider let me get this straight.
OK you dont listen to your upline most of the time.
You are recommended to disagree with them?
You only do what you want,when you want, how you want.
So if thats the case then how do you have a Q* business when that goes totally against everything thats taught.
Remember the 3 Cardinal Rules and
the 3 Nevers.
Insider,
I got it, you and your immediate team are the Q* Renegades. GO DIAMOND!
Why does Hyundai do SO much more business than Ferrari? They offer similar products and have been around less than half as long. Is it because they provide better value to their customers in the form of lower prices and better quality goods? That would be too simple.
Yes Kendall, that would be too simple.
No David, Most of the time I do take my upline's advice, cause I consider it good advice, and most of the time when I haven't take the advice, I've regretted it. I've never heard of "the 3 cardinal rules and the 3 nevers" - care to explain?
I'm part of the biggest "system" in the world - Network TwentyOne. Hundreds of Diamonds and multiple Crown Ambassadors. Check it out on QuixtarWiki
David,
I feel that Core is a simple basic guideline for building the business. I am not 100% core because it's just a guideline, nothing else. This is a business for petes sake.
The bible is a guideline as well. Jesus doesn't tell his followers to abide by his word rule for rule does he? Of course not.
If this isn't a legitimate business, then how come the business model is an industry AND government guideline for what a legtimate MLM business looks like?
Big dog,
To your comment "I don't like lying to people" is B as in B and S as in S. Big time BS. Are you saying you've NEVER lied in your life? Possibly to get out of some sort of situation at one time or another? Or lied on an application somewhere? Or hid behind a pseudonym?
You'd be the very first person in the world who tells the truth 100% of the time. I've enjoyed your hypocracy.
Kendall,
My comments were NOT directed at you. Thanks anyway.
Dog,
Sorry I didn't correctly interpret the wording of your sentence. By the way, you stated that the original owner died in 2000. Not that you purchased it in 2000.
Regardless of that ridiculous "comeback", I noticed something. You did not DIRECTLY ADDRESS WHAT I WROTE. WHAT about what I wrote, was mumbo jumbo & drivel? Please, enlighten me Big Dog.
Also, YOU told US about your business. So...it IS my business!
AND, Big DOG, what you eat IS our business!!!
You should not be allowed to come on this site and trash a perfectly respectable & legitimate business opportunity without BACKING UP YOUR CLAIMS, ACCUSATIONS & ASSUMPTIONS!!!
Thanks Dog.
Anon
P.S. Dog, are you typing under another name? Ummm....such as.....MEGA????? I really, seriously cannot believe there is an actual person out there who truly believes that you make any sense whatsoever.
Unless it's another deluded, beer-drinking croney who is "content" with just getting by in life.
Oh yeah,
The REASON what you eat is our business is because YOU made it our business. You trashed the edible products we offer then tell us how well you eat and that all anybody has to do is what you do. Well......WHAT do YOU do?
As I said in a message to Dawson....80+% of Americans eat like CRAP! So, don't assume we don't exercise & eat things other than food bars and don't assume that the rest of America does exercise & eat right.
Once again, you'd be wrong......but I suppose that on this site....you'd be getting used to that! ;-)
Micheal, you obviously have the same problem as Anon, and that's reading comprehension. You show me where it says I've NEVER lied. I said I DON'T like lying. That doesn't mean I never have, but that doesn't mean I want to go around and try to sell people on a "business oppotunity" in which 99.9% people fail. Nor does it mean I want to sell products that are way overpriced by telling them "Q* products are superior to others. Our $78 double X vitamin is superior to $15 Centrum." etc.
Anon, I think you need to stop burning the midnight oil and get some sleep.
Your arguments get weaker with every post.
My "ridiculous" comeback about when I bought the business was the "TRUTH". Something you Q* followers don't know much about.
Also WHEN did I EVER say people need to do what I do when it comes to eating? I said above (again dude, learn to read) "You can do all the research you want but the FACT is different supplements, vitamins, diets, workout regimens etc work differently for different people."
So what works for me might not work for somebody else. Depends on the results you're looking for. Who cares what I eat? But if you must know. I eat a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables, grilled chicken, steak, pizza, pasta, cereal, potato chips etc etc. Yeah tell me I'm eating like crap LOL. I know I'm not overpaying for the food I consume. I also know I'm consuming because I LIKE IT and not to earn some bogus paycheck.
I go to the gym 6 times a week. Run 5 miles in 20 minutes on an olyptical trainer, climb 100 flights of stairs on the stair climber. I do that all 6 days. I also lift weights all 6 days. 3 for my upper body which includes; biceps, triceps, chest, shoulders, back, lats, abs. 3 days I do my lower body. Quads, Hamstrings, calves, gluts, and thighs.
I do 2 sets of 15 reps at 70% of my body weight which equates to 135lbs.
As for this statement by you; "P.S. Dog, are you typing under another name? Ummm....such as.....MEGA????? I really, seriously cannot believe there is an actual person out there who truly believes that you make any sense whatsoever.
Unless it's another deluded, beer-drinking croney who is "content" with just getting by in life."
First of all, no I'm not posting under a different name (maybe you put it there for agruments sake.) Secondly, why do you have to insult someone by calling them a "deluded beer-drinking croney who is "content" with just getting by in life"
Get off your high horse buddy, you are NO BETTER than anyone on this site or anyone else for that matter. You sell an MLM scheme on a dream. You swindle, people, lie to people, and try to make people believe they need something they don't.
Anon said - "As I said in a message to Dawson....80+% of Americans eat like CRAP! So, don't assume we don't exercise & eat things other than food bars and don't assume that the rest of America does exercise & eat right."
80% of Americans eat like crap so don;t assume we don't exercise & eat things other than food bars? What does one statement have to do with the other? Show me the stat where it says 80% of Americans eat like "crap" please.
Don't assume the rest of America does exercise and eat right? WHERE did I EVER say I thought "the rest of America" exercised and ate right?
Obesity is a major problem in this country so it's pretty obvious most Americans DON'T exercise, just like I bet you don't.
As far as me being "wrong" on this site and being "used to it", sorry pal I believe you've reversed the roles. Seems like the majority of the people posting here agree with me.
Now since I've told you SO much about myself, why don't you enlighten all of us, as to how successful you are? What do you NET a month from you "business"
Are you "financially free" yet? Do you work a "JOB"? Do you have any debt? Own a house? What do you eat? do you exercise? And most importantly, do you live in a "dream" world? Because it seems you certainly have lost all aspects of reality
big dog, I didn't say you were eating like crap, I said your nutritional intake was probably like crap. Sounds like your eating pretty much as healthy as you could with standard fare and you have a pretty healthy lifestyle. But don't you think Asafa Powell was eating pretty damn good as well and had a pretty healthy lifestyle? Yet he too was apparently short of nutrition for optimal health and performance.
Big Dog,
First of all, I'm a lady...not a guy. Again, you're being quite assumptive.
You're delusional, Big Dog! You think most of the people on this site agree with YOU? TWO others (Dawson & Kendall) have agreed with you. MEGA doesn't count because I believe it's a pseudonymn for either you or Dawson.
Sounds like you don't eat any healthier than me or most other people. 90% of my purchases from the grocery store includes: whole grain/multigrain cereals & breads; all non-perishables such as cheese, eggs, milk, veggies (not pre-packaged or canned), fruit, chicken, turkey, fish, etc. Pretty reasonable stuff.
I try to do a minimum of 30-45 minutes a day on my elyptical machine, plus arm weights. It varies because of the needs of my children. I've struggled with being about 10lbs over my "ideal" weight all my life. Since I've had kids, it's been worse. I quit drinking & quit smoking (quit smoking within the past year) so the major focus & eating less chocolate & exercising more is next.
We supplement with the number 1 supplements in the world, because of what we learned. Most people will act, based upon the information they have. We have done that. Supplementation is needed because of our environment (exposure to free radicals), our busy lifestyle, the artificial colorings & preservatives put in our food (even our fruits & veggies!), etc. Did you know that the RDA was originally created by the FDA in 1964 for an 18 year old American boy?
How in the world does that even begin to compare to today's average person? It certainly doesn't apply to me!
I'm now a SAHM after almost 20 years in the workforce. I made six figures (all on my own, thank you) in coroporate america. My husband and I decided together, that I take time off to raise our own kids instead of paying someone else to do our job. I stopped going to the salon, getting my nails done, shopping at Norstroms & started buying our clothes at consignment shops & Walmart. We go to Great Clips. We sold our home & downsized to accommodate our decisions.
In the meantime, we have found this business opportunity so I never have to go back to a 9-5'er again, if I don't have to. I work the retail side. I LOVE it! It's a GREAT balance.
We have gone through over 4 job losses, financial disasters, death, illnesses, marital issues, broken bones, home issues, moved twice, etc. all in the past 4 years. We have been in this business for 3 years. It has kept us afloat and kept me home through all the job losses. We have AVERAGED $600-1000 a month in PROFIT. Most of our downline aren't even at 100 points so we haven't written alot of bonus checks. Oh well. With all our offerings of service to them & side by side assistance to work retail WITH them....it's THEIR choice. We will work it WITH them....not FOR them.
Hope that covers it for you, Dog 'cuz I just can't waste any more time with you.
You just don't get it. You didn't get it when you were "in" and it sounds like you never, ever will. You are so lost within your own head. You really believe the stuff you're spewing out of your mouth. Go ahead. Believe it.
The reason I've even bothered addressing your bul--hit on this site is because alot of it is YOUR perception combined with BOLDFACE LIES. You hurt our sincere attempt to better our lives through this opportunity by LYING. You say you don't like to lie? Then you'd better review & correct 90% of what you've posted on this site.
This is a real, legitimate opportunity for the average person who is overwhelmend and stressed by financial pressure!
If I can show them a VERY SIMPLE & EASY was to relieve some of that financial pressure, then I'm making a positive impact.
If I can help lower the obesity rate in America (yes, starting with myself) by educating people on eating right, along with proper supplementation then I'm making a posititve impact.
If I can keep people from having to go out to a minimum wage, part-time job that takes them AWAY from their family and possibly puts kids in DAYCARE, then I'm making a positive impact.
If I can show this same couple something they can do WITH the kids and AS A COUPLE with SHARED GOALS then I'm making a positive impact.
I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing. Thanks for making it even more clear & concrete for me Dog.
Have a great day.
Anon
Insider, my point isn't health related. Everyone is going to die someday anyway. Someone could be as healthy as possible, walk out of their house, and get hit by a car. I know people in their 80's and 90's that have smoked constantly since they were 18.
The whole point, I was trying to make, with the nutrition was that, paying $78 for vitamins is crazy, especially if you've never taken any before or you can get something equivilant to them for $15.
It all started with price. The examples of the sweaters, again, comes into play. Sure a Polo Sweater is of better quality than a generic sweater, but, Do you think it's really that easy to convince someone, with a clear mind and common sense, that they should spend $60 extra because the Polo is a little better quality?
I'm sorry bro, you can't convince me that someone couldn't lose weight, or live healthier, by just cutting out fast food, fried foods, and snacking, and replacing it with, grilled or steamed foods, fresh veges and fruits, and exercising a bit everyday.
It doesn't just take a multi-vitamin to live a healthy life.
LOL! Anon, you call me assumptive? Yet you ASSUME that MEGA is either, I or Dawson. You also ASSUME that Dawson, Kendall and Mega are the only ones that agree with me? What about people like David, Rara or Mevi? They don't count?
You said- "The reason I've even bothered addressing your bul--hit on this site is because alot of it is YOUR perception combined with BOLDFACE LIES"
WHERE AM I LYING????????????????????????????????????????
You also said "I'm lost in my own head"? No Anon, I know who I am, and what I want out of life and I don't need to use other people's misfortune to get it.
You believe EVERYTHING these "diamonds" tell you and you're calling me "lost"? HAHA!
You talk an awful lot about assumption yet you ASSUME you know everything about me. You DON'T EVEN KNOW ME!
You also ASSUME you're better than people like myself, Dawson, Kendall, Mevi, David, Rara and MEGA because you don't believe in a "business" opportunity in which 99.9% people fail.
We also don't believe in overpaying for products that are not any better than the products we use everyday.
Don't EVER call me a liar, or feel you're superior to me or anyone else.
You stated you make $600-$1000 a month profit and you'd never have to go back to a 9-5 again if you didn't want to?
Tell me, how can a husband and wife, with children, live on $150-$250 a week? Who's lying now?
You people all spout off about the same garbage. "I don't have to work a 9-5" "I can do whatever I want with my free time" Can you? So what do you do with all that "free" time? Go to meetings, listen to tapes, go to rallies, show the "plan"????? Doesn't sound like a lot of "free" to me.
Sorry, there Anon, I'll take my assured "paycheck" every week and not have to rip people off to do it.
Pray tell, what is this garbage about "I'm giving back to people by showing them a great "business opportunity" An opportunity that produces a 99%+ failure rate?
They also have an opportunity to hit the lottery if they play it.
The difference between the lottery and Q* is that if you spend $250-$350 a month on the lottery I can almost guarantee you'd make more than $9 a month.
Anyway, I'm not about to spend anymore time posting to you. Obviously you live in your own "dream" world.
If you ever, somehow make it back to the "REAL" world, we'll all be welcoming you back.
Nig Dig, nobody is suggesting it "just takes a multi-vitamin" to live a health life. That's absurd. Indeed, I recall hearing one Diamond, a health professional, say at a seminar "if you smoke, don't even bother listening to the rest of my talk, we can't help you". There's a reason they are called "supplements" - because they supplement! Not replace. Now, whether you like it or not, there is overwhelming evidence of nutritional deficiencies in the western lifestyle - yes, even amongst people who eat well. I have studies from the US, Canada, Australia, England, Germany, Sweden - all showing decreases in the nutritional content of food of up to 97% over the last 40 years! This ain't theory. So your intake is likely less than optimal - no matter what it is you eat.
Indeed, for someone like yourself who exercises a great deal you even have a higher need for antioxidants - exercise produces free radicals (so does just plain breathing for that matter). Taking anti-oxidants is unlikely to make you feel any better now, but I'll virtually guarantee that it will lower your risk of numerous oxidative stress related issues - everything from cancer to wrinkles. There's no serious scientific argument about this. You want to live a longer life, and be healthy for more of it? Supplement. Simple as that. Then when you get in to what to supplement, there's increasing scientific backing that natural sourced vitamins and minerals are far more bioavailable than synthetics - indeed in some cases the synthetic can be dangerous and the "natural" beneficial. Then you have all the additional cofactors you find in food that you do not find in things like Centrum. Tocepherols, a highly important form of Vitamin E, was not even identified until the 1950s - so nobody was synthesising them and putting them in tablets. But they were in Double X in the 40s - because Nutrilite never took them out. There's more and more of these crucial phytonutrients being found every day. And they're not in Centrum. They are in Double X. You might think they're the same - you'd be wrong. Your choice whether to use Nutrilite or not, but don't make your choices based on wrong information.
that'd be addressed to Big Dog, not Nig Dig! lol!
Insider, I understand your passion to defend what you do. But I'd still ike to know, why, when asnwering a question or responding to a statement you have to use someone else's quote.
"I recall hearing one Diamond, a health professional, say at a seminar "if you smoke, don't even bother listening to the rest of my talk, we can't help you"
So what is he saying? That someone who smokes can't be helped? They can't quit smoking? They're not good enough to hear what this so called "health professional" has to say?
I'm not about to pay an extra $60 bucks for a vitamin because someone with $$$$$ says I should.
I'd be willing to bet that 80% of IBO's NEVER took a supplement in their life before they joined AmQuix.
I've also stated numerous times that supplements, vitamins, exercise regimens and diets work differently for different people.
Show me a statistic that shows Double X to be superior to Centrum. Show me a statistic that shows XS Protien shakes to be superior to MET-RX or EAS Protein.
I took XS protein (at $40 a rip or $30 a case of 12) and I couldn't digest it. So I guess that protein didn't work for me huh? So I went back to using Muscle Milk and MET-Rx protein shakes and bars (at $25 a container, $14 for a case of 12 shakes and $1.99 for two bars (buy 1 get one free at Price Chopper).
I'm begging you to show me how XS protein is a better supplement than MET-Rx or EAS.
I think a lot of you Qbots have the thinking (if it's more expensive than it MUST be superior) Reality check, just because something costs more money doesn't necessarily make it a better product.
"I'd be willing to bet that 80% of IBO's NEVER took a supplement in their life before they joined AmQuix."
I know I didn't...
Me either
Or ate a meal replacement bar, protien bar, drank an energy drink.
"Minimum $900/mo mark reached. Still at 10-15hrs/week. Hey BigDog..say whatever you want but me and the guys i sponsored are making money.
Next up for october..$1000/mo minimum. So far, i have 8hours booked for meetings/product demo. That leaves me with 7hrs to allocate."
Does that include drive time? Must not be showing the plan much cause the monthly rally is probably at lest taking 3 hours. Does it include phone calls to your upline? Gotta be checking with him consistently with a exploding business like yours.
The quote re smoking was to point out it's not just about money - if you're a smoker, taking supplements is pissing in the wind compared to the damage you are doing, so don't waste your money.
Re Protein, not my area so I can't comment. Re Double X and natural vitamins, there are numerous studies and peer-reviewed publications, I'm not going to go in to them here, research yourself. There's some summary findings of a double-blind placebo study on double x page on quixtar.com. eg lowers homocysteine levels, lowers DNA and chromosome damage. Studies with supplements like centrum have NOT had these kind of results. Whether someone took supplements before or not is quite obviously completely irrelevant to whether they are of benefit or not, I have no idea why you raised that as an issue.
Because we were told to buy the high PV items. Like Alan Lieninger always said I dont care what you do with stuff you buy. You dont have to take Double X. Bury it in the backyard JUST BUY IT!
I see the benefits there. Lining his and Joe's and Larry's pockets.
Insider, this whole thing started because of the $$$$$ spent on vitamins like Double X. So somebody not in Q* would NOT spend $78 on a supplement, however, when they become and IBO, they're immediately told in order to make you 100 PV a month you should buy, viatmins, supplements, energy drinks etc. That's $300 worth of stuff you'd NEVER buy if you knew nothing about Q*.
I also love this, out of all the IBO's responses this one is my favorite "I'm not going to list it here. You do your own research." Why? You're the one telling me one is superior to the other. I figured you'd have something to back it up.
My argument is that Double X costs almost $70 more than Centrum and that's easily back up
Anon,
Or is that a pseudonym for insider
Speaking of supplements. My friend just stopped by here to place his Q* order (he needs to use my credit card, because his credit is totally ruined thanks to his upline) anyway, I happened to see something called Rhodiola 110 supplement that was an advance order. I asked him what it was and he said "It helps you focus. It's a pill and if you're feeling tired it helps keep you awake."
My question to him (being that I'm of sound mind) was "If you're tired, why not go to sleep?" His response, "Some people don't have time to sleep, when they're trying to make money."
I just laughed, didn't feel like arguing.
But what's wrong with that picture?
How can somebody, of a clear mind state such a thing?
Anyway, Q* price on Rhodiola 110 $40.20
(60 tablets)
Rhodiola Rosea Extract 60T (60 tablets) $9.95.
But then again, I'm sure the Q* Rhodiola is FAR superior, I mean Q* sells it and it's $30 more so it must be superior. LOL
OH YEAH! I forgot about Rhodiola the post function drink a lot of XS and pop Rhodiola so you can drive all the way home from Louisville,Ky. And show how fired up you are. I dont miss those trips.
Hey Anon, even though you're not posting to me anymore because I've poked holes in all defenses I couldn't help but notice this statement by you.
"We have gone through over 4 job losses, financial disasters, death, illnesses, marital issues, broken bones, home issues, moved twice, etc. all in the past 4 years. We have been in this business for 3 years. It has kept us afloat and kept me home through all the job losses."
That doesn't strike you as coincidental? All of those bad things have happened to you in just the past 4 years and 3 of those 4 years you were in the "business"?
I doubt it's kept you afloat, sounds more like it's sinking you
big dog - we've already been over the fact nobody "tells" me what to do. I=Independent remember? IBOs are supposed to make their own decisions and be responsible for them.
As for research, here's a nice metastudy
Thiel R.J., Natural Vitamins May Be Superior to Synthetic Ones. Medical Hypotheses, 2000; 55(6):461-469
Now, re the issue of people buying stuff they weren't before, I fully agree this is an issue with regard to people getting in financial problems when they become IBOs. It's not just Nutrilite either. "Upgrading" say to Artistry from cheaper brands will cause the same issue. But if you happened to already be using a "prestige" cosmetic, such as Estee Lauder etc, then you'd be saving money. But of course, not everyone is, and, as is the case in an facet of life, if you start buying stuff you can't really afford, you'll get in to trouble.
@Ex-WWDBer
Drive time? theyr local 15-30min drive. During that time i call my guys and/or counsel upline..whos beside me. As for seperate phone calls, i do them while on the go..like on my way to school, or waiting for something (bus, movie, etc)..somtimes its just a text message. If waiting in line or going from one place to another AND at the same time calling/smsing upline/downline is part of the business..than i probably go past 15hrs. Admit it..Your just too stupid to manage your time
Hhmm...does this mean that i should have been paid around 2hours extra a day when i worked at ea during summer? damn..they owe me money! But at the same time..i called my guys and sent up messages..so..is it business or work? I dont always go to rallies. Also..make that 6hours to allocate..1hr is going to a product demo FOR MY NEIGHBOUR..drive time..no idea.. =p
Dude..and everyone else here anyways. If youve tried it..didnt work for you..too bad. It works for other people. Sometimes its harder for others to start it (thus some ending up quiting) while for some, its easy. Comsi comsa?(sp?)
@insider
wow..thats like...common sense...sucks most people dont have it even though its supposed to be common
@Ex-WWDBer
forgot..incase you mention me delivering the products. Its now free dropshipper. I dont have to bother bringing anything.
Big Dog,
When comparing prices, compare ingredients, quantities, how product was made, etc. There's USUALLY (not always) a reason something is priced higher. Of course, this would be common sense....God forbid YOU apply common sense....
Here's YOUR logic: if it's cheaper...it's for me! :-)
And what do you mean you 'poked holes in my defenses'? Once again, your delusional thinking at work....
And Dog, what the HELL do the issues I mentioned, have to do with the Quixtar business????????????????????
Mega,
I'm sure you would....I'm sure you would...LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dog,
By the way, the LIES you are spreading are as follows:
- that the products are overpriced (that's your OPINION...not fact)
- that it takes hours and hours and hours of spare time to build your own private franchise
- that this business opportunity is a scam - it is already proven that Quixtar is a legitimate organization
- that IBO's are out to lie, cheat & screw people over to earn PV/BV - NONSENSE! We are just regular people just trying to get our heads above water
Dog, you are trying to push your opinion on here as fact. Either know what you're talking about or quit posting on this site.
Easiest and oddest sale i made was yesterday. I was going to the movies, and at the same time going to meet one of my new guy to drop off a box of sample xs with some bars in it. Now i went on the bus with the xs box, and someone recognized the logo XS. He asked me where i got it (oddly enough i said my friend..which is true anyways), but told him you can get it online (i wasnt in the mood to prospect anyone >.
Long story short, he asked for the site (which is my site). When i came back home hours later..hes already a client and he bought 2 cases of xs and a meal replacement...lol..can someone tell me thats not hard?
LOL
Christian,
I've experienced that same thing myself. Not difficult to get clients this day and age. With the free shipping option available, I've been registering 1 new client per day, without hardly much effort. 3 cases of XS for a family of four is sufficient for 30 days to qualify for the free shipping. I've had an average of 4 cases of XS being sold per client. They also registered for ditto delivery!
At this rate, after doing the calculations, it would only take 22 clients to reach 7500PV on XS alone. If they only bought an average of 4-5 cases of XS per month.
Anon, again you go making assumptions about me
You said "Here's YOUR logic: if it's cheaper...it's for me!"
Well if that's true, why would I drive a Lexus instead of an Escort? Why would I wear a Tag Heuer watch instead of a Seiko? Why would I own a 3 bedroom 2 1/2 bathroom house instead of a 1 bedroom shack?
Keep assuming you know me, just like you keep assuming you know everything about business LOL. You know NADA!
You said - "that this business opportunity is a scam - it is already proven that Quixtar is a legitimate organization"
Yeah ENRON was also found to be a "legitmimate organization" We all know how that turned out.
You said - "that the products are overpriced (that's your OPINION...not fact)"
Yeah $50 for a 2lb jug of Q* protein compared to a 2.48lb jug of Muscle Milk for $25. A case of XS protein shakes (12) for $35 compared to $14.99 for a case of (12) MET-Rx proetin shakes. $5 for Q* ketchup compared to $2.79 for Heinz Ketchup. $3.50 for Fruit Doo's Cereal compared to $1.59 for generic Fruit Loops. $78 for Double X Vitamins $15.99 for Centrum. Anyway, Q* price on Rhodiola 110 $40.20
(60 tablets)
Rhodiola Rosea Extract 60T (60 tablets) $9.95.
I could go on forever. But those prices are just my "opinion".
You said - "that it takes hours and hours and hours of spare time to build your own private franchise"
It doesn't? How often do you read or listen to tapes and CD's? How many hours do you spend driving to a major function or rally? How long are you at those functions or rallies? How many hours a month do you spend at open meetings or seminars? It takes more than 10-15 hours a week.
You said - "that IBO's are out to lie, cheat & screw people over to earn PV/BV - NONSENSE! We are just regular people just trying to get our heads above water"
I'm sure not ALL IBO's are liars but if they want to be successful they're taught "fake it until you make it"
What kind of message is that sending?
Finally you said - "Dog, you are trying to push your opinion on here as fact. Either know what you're talking about or quit posting on this site"
You're also trying to puch your opinion on here as fact. I do know what I'm talking about. I live in REALITY you live in a dream world. You're telling me to quit posting here? LOL, First of all nobody tells me what to do (Unlike you) secondly, this is America, we have something called "FREEDOM of speech" It's the 1st amendment, I'll talk about whatever I want, whenever I want. Boo Hoo for you if you don't like my "opinions". Don't read them or don't respond to them, "Nobody is forcing you to do either"
I gotta laugh when I see an ad like this in the classifieds of my local paper;
"WE NEED 25 PEOPLE NOW!!!
In the next 30 Days, we will help 25 local people start and maintain their own business.
OUR COMPANY:
-Has created over 350 millionaires in 7 years.
-Is the 4th fastest growing company ever.
-Has been Featured in Fortune, Forbes, Money, and Inc 500 magazines.
-Has been featured on the Discovery Channel for 1 full week.
-Has offices in 30 Countries and does Business in 73 Countries.
You should be making $4,000/month in 5 months"
Jeez, sounds like a can't miss opportunity. I mean 350 millionaires in 7 years? How can you lose?
I wonder what this business is called? What it does? What experience you need? What hours you work? and Where the offices are located?
Pretty vague on all counts of such a GREAT "business".
Any ideas on what this is?
Please stay in this site ok BIG DOG? I want to see you be negative in the years to come
Are you ever going to respond to questions people post on here or are you just going to keep saying the same things?
"You're negative Big Dog"
Uh huh, sure I am, I know your upline will have you believe that. Then again, your upline will have you believe anyone NOT in Q* is negative.
Keep believing all those half truths and tapespeak, someday you'll make it.
I'd love to see you on here for years. See how much you actually profit from this "business".
Oh yeah, and don't lie about it like the person who placed that ad in the paper.
YOu seriously found that in the paper? Cuz were not allowed to do those kind of things.
I dont talk tapespeak anymore, i have my own ways of talking about the business. Whats my upline have to do with this? I dont talk to him about this kinda things..hes not that tech or internet savvy =p..but you are really being negative. So far, im nearing my 1k net..so..yeah im gonna be in this site until it shuts down. Heres a nice twist though, what if this site was being used by Q* to find ways to make the business better?
No lie, I really did find that in the paper. I know IBO's are not allowed to do that sort of thing so when he prospects me I will let him know.
You said - "Heres a nice twist though, what if this site was being used by Q* to find ways to make the business better?"
That would be great. I think you have me all wrong. I'm not rooting against the IBO. I wish fail
Preston,
I believe they would be monitoring such things as product orders, who purchased the products & where products were shipped, etc. to ensure existing IBO's weren't taking advantage of this offering.
I don't believe this equates to "peeking in" to how IBO's are conducting themselves or representing the business opportunity.
The two are completely separate.
I think this is an excellent incentive for IBO's to go sell some products....do some retail! Make some profit! I love it and I plan to take full advantage of this offer.
By the way, shipping is free to existing IBO's who purchase $750.00 or more in one order. That's not too tough to do if you purchase all your basic home care, self care, health supplements, etc. through Quixtar. It's money you're spending anyway. ;-)
Anon
Posted by: anon | September 24, 2006 4:33 AM