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September 4, 2006
Believe The Movie
By QBlog in Humor
There's a new movie coming to theaters that may do to Multilevel Marketing what "Spinal Tap" did to rock and roll. The film is "Believe" and it looks like a hilarious parody of the MLM industry, specifically Amway.
The IMDB entry records the movie's release date as 2005 but according to The Flint Journal the first screenings will be in "select Michigan cities, including Flint, Grand Rapids, Ann Arbor and Lansing" in October.
The movie's writer and director, Loki Mulholland, was a former Amway salesman and he's releasing the film just in time to possibly impact Dick DeVos' gubernatorial campaign. Mulholland said that he think's "it's fair that people get a proper perspective about Amway, because this man (DeVos) grew up in the industry."
Mulholland also has an interesting perspective of what the average Quixtar IBO can expect to earn in the business:
“On the surface, $345 million is an impressive number, but in fact it’s not very substantial at all when you see what it means for the average individual Amway distributor,” said Loki Mulholland, writer and director of "BELIEVE". “Most Amway distributors make less than $100 per month. I don’t know about anyone else, but that’s not enough money for me to quit my regular job and retire.”
To learn more about Mulholland check out the interview from JackassCritics.com.
And be sure to spend some time on the official Believe - The Movie website.
Comments
There are no movie theaters in Ada.
I'll definitely go see it!!!
Deb
"How did you go about getting funding and support for Believe?
That’s a fascinating story in and of itself but not one I can entirely get into right now. In short, I was prepared when the opportunity presented itself. The more important part is that I never gave up writing stories and believing I would make a movie some day. If I had given up I wouldn’t have been ready when someone talked to me about making a movie." - Interview with Loki Mulholland
What a tick... that's what people yell at "systems" for teaching: stick with it, keep believing, so when the opportunity presents itself you will be ready...
wow... i need to get over this insane irony coming from a screenplay writer whose movie boasted to take down Dick DeVos... yet his movie is possible BECAUSE of the DeVos family.. and he says himself he has a high value for "belief" and persistence...
edit::: "what" = "wait"
pretty cool concept. When and where is it playing? This has got to be a must see. It looks hilarious.
Is it gonna come in Canada? I wanna see it also.
I second Brad's opinion. He should give part of his proceeds to one of Alticor's charities since he wouldn't have a movie to make if it wasn't for the Devos and VanAndel families.
Nonetheless, those clips are pretty funny (in a "Dodgeball" kind of way)
Looks like a good movie. I need to get some "Believe" t-shirts and wear them to church around all the IBO's. The Believe site has information to start a "grassroots" effort to get the message out. I signed up.
wow... i need to get over this insane irony coming from a screenplay writer whose movie boasted to take down Dick DeVos... yet his movie is possible BECAUSE of the DeVos family.. and he says himself he has a high value for "belief" and persistence...
Good stuff Brad. It was DeVos family who invtented "belief" and "persistence". Mankind wasn't aware of them otherwise.
Brad>> wow... i need to get over this insane irony coming from a screenplay writer whose movie boasted to take down Dick DeVos... yet his movie is possible BECAUSE of the DeVos family..
???????
Brad, I really think you are a nice guy. But some of the stuff you say, leaves me scratching my head!! By this token, should Steven Spielberg be thankful to the Nazis, without whom "Schindler's List" would not have been possible??!!
For crying out loud, take a break from those tapes! They are really warping your mind.
Perceptive,
In Poor Taste
Can you really be serious? I've heard other critics compare IBOs, so-called Kingpins, and the Corporation with the Nazis or Hitler.
That is absolutely rediculous and you should feel embarrassed to even make lite of something that in humane.
You know exactly what Brad means.
"He should give part of his proceeds to one of Alticor's charities since he wouldn't have a movie to make if it wasn't for the Devos and VanAndel families."
Maybe those charities could be the masses of people who have lost money and time in the Quixtar/Amway business opportunity.
Should we thank the Devos and Van Andel families for their lack of serious corrective steps in 1983 by the after the Postma Memo exposed the faults in the tool and motivation business? There is finally, only a feeble, non-binding step being taken with the accreditation program. Should we thank the Devos and Van Andel families for the feableness of the attempt as well?
Thanks Dick!
CoolBreeze,
Read what perceptive said more carefully. He is not necessarily comparing anyone to Hitler. Try to figure out exactly what the analogy is.
Thanks, Rara.
Coolbreeze, Rara got what I was trying to say. Maybe you should go back and read what I said again, before jumping to conclusions.
I was NOT comparing the Devoses/Corporation/IBOs to the Nazis. I was pointing out the non-sensical nature of Brad's argument.
Think of this. Every rational person (including Spielberg) thinks the Nazis were evil, so they criticize their actions. Does that mean, even though Spielberg thinks the Nazis' actions were despicable, he should thank the Nazis "without whom his movie wouldn't be possible"?
Yes the creators of this movie clearly don't hold the Devoses in high esteem. So, now according to Brad, it is ironical that the very people the directors are criticizing have given them the material to create the movie?
What kind of logic is that?
Back on topic, I am really looking forward to seeing the movie. It's unfortunate I'll have to travel to see it.
Hopefully, this will increase awareness of what goes on in Quixtar and other MLMs so that people will actually be willing to do something about it.
Remember Supersize Me, which was in my opinion, kind of dumb? I mean, come on, if you don't know Mickey D's is bad for you, you must either be retarded, in a coma, or living in a cave. But McDonalds ended up removing their supersize option. (Which annoyed me because, even though my eating habits are all right and I'm not really into junk food or desserts, maybe sometimes I may just want supersized fries.)
Yes M'aam! ;-)
As you say, back on topic.
If the clips are any indication, I think the movie is going to be really funny. Can't wait to see it!
Could we possibly see a "Blair Witch Project" kind of phenom?
This looks too funny!! I should pack up some Active 8, maybe a few cans of cold XS, and some Quixtar popcorn then head off to the show!! Oh, then it would cost me $50 to see it instead of $20!!!
This kinda sucks -
I always thought a good movie could be made of this. Yet, the audience would be so small that most folks wouldn't 'get it.' Which means I wouldn't get the return I think would be worth it. A lot like the 'business' itself!
Oh, well. If I ever do it, it will be with real panache! I'm thinking Tom Cruise as 'Brad.' Insider will of course be played by 'Darth Vader.' PW will get a bit part. QBLOG don't get nothin': no way to go, is there? Not deep throat. Not Erin Brochowhatever...and not Charlie: I haven't received order 1 from him. Maybe he gets 'executive producer' credits. At least "Porkchopjim would like to thank Qblog for his cooperation.." in the credits as the masses file out of the theater....along with the 'filmed on location in Barnes and Nobles in Centerville, Utah....'
Tom Cruise as Brad
HAHAHA!!
You mean, sort of like Daniel Mcafee in "A Few Good Men"? Come to think of it, Brad's intensity does remind you of Cruise in that movie, doesn't it? BTW, Brad, that is a good thing.
Maybe Jack-You-can't-handle-the-truth-Nicholson as "Insider"?
Now, THAT would be a great movie.
rara,
There is a place at www.believethemovie.com where you can suggest the movie be shown in your town. Also, DVD sales are sure to follow.
Final note before going back to lurking: wouldn't it be cool if this movie became a classic like rockie horror? can you picture the scene...worn out IBOs going every Saturday night to re-live the 2-5 years of struggle?
looks like it's going to be some good stuff...we've been contacted by a lot of people who've been scammed by Quixtar/Amway so we've started a category on our blog http://propagandapress.org/?cat=39
I was involved in quixtar a few years ago trying to sell vitamins, energy drinks and some soaps and toilet paper to my family and friends. Of course I made a fool of myself but I really wanted to success and I went to many meetings in big hotels listening to many lawyers, doctors and engineers that were testifying that they quitted their job after making millions of dollar with the quixtar program. One day, someone told me to check and compare prices between quixtar prodcuts and what you can normally find at the supermarket. Of course I knew I was buying things very expensive in quixtar but it's because it comes very concentrated that's why it equals a price of 5 soaps. But then I compared electronic products and clothing and other products that dont have any difference between the one in a store and the other from quixtar the difference was noticable. here is an exemple, a FRESH exemple. Here in canada, there's a store called Dumoulin electronics. They sell a normal Panasonic CD player for 149$ and quixtar sells the same product for 199$ It's a big difference. So please don't loose your time with this I hope that this new movie Believe will let people open their eyes and see by themselves that these systems are made to make rich people that involve you in it. It's always the same thing...
That would be really cool to have an audience participation script for Believe!!!
Great idea, mostlylurker!
I wonder if this will be released in other countries as well, as in Asian countries. I am waiting to watch it. Anyone who has been in the 'business' and out of it will definitely look forward to watching it.
BTW, Perceptive and Imran, I love to read your comments.
Perceptive, you have not updated your blog for ages!
Ash>> Perceptive, you have not updated your blog for ages!
Time, Ash. Time. Ain't enough hours in the day. Takes time to crash meetings, that's usually the priority. Plus, Qblog has more readers, so I have been posting here pretty often. I crashed a meeting this Monday, I will be talking about it on the forum, so drop by there. Got some detailed notes. Puts a lie to Brad and Insider's claim that things have changed. See if it reminds you of the old days.
As far as my blog goes, I have a post about that THIEF, Dick Devos coming up soon.
Wrong perceptive. It adds a data point to contridict my (you say "our") claim, but it does not, on its own, tear apart my claim.
I look forward to reading your notes from the meeting.
By this token, should Steven Spielberg be thankful to the Nazis, without whom "Schindler's List" would not have been possible??!!
Unless Mr. Spielberg donated ALL of his proceeds for making the movie to those people whose families were victims of Hitler's war crimes, then yes, he should be thankful to the nazis.
Yes the creators of this movie clearly don't hold the Devoses in high esteem. So, now according to Brad, it is ironical that the very people the directors are criticizing have given them the material to create the movie?
What kind of logic is that?
I agree, Brad is slightly amiss on this one.
The directors only want to give the appearance that that they are criticizing the Devoses, in order to draw as many suckers as they can to go see their low rated budget movie, in order to greedily line their own pockets.
In reality, they are kissing the ground that the Devoses are walking on for this golden opportunity that they siezed.
I was an IBO for seven years and reached a fairly high level. There would be nothing wrong with this business if they told you that you needed to sell products to make money. But they don't. The ironic part is I was the most broke and unhappy when I as in the Amway/Quixtar business. Once I got out, I found a great job making good money that I love. And no, I didn't need to spend one weekend a month cooped up in a freaking convention hall with Amclones to do it.
To say that the only way to succeed in life is to own a Quixtar business is so ludicrous, it is to laugh.
Constant pressure to eat, sleep and breathe "the business" led me to make some really stupid costly decisions.
Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty, free at last.
Oh and those so-called great upline friends? Not one of them ever contacted me once I left the business.
Marisa Bonneau says:
"I was an IBO for seven years and reached a fairly high level...Oh and those so-called great upline friends? Not one of them ever contacted me once I left the business."
Reached A FAIRLY HIGH LEVEL. Then, she QUIT. Still, reached a fairly high level and then, quit. Why would you quit once you have already put in a solid foundation that gives you the motivation to keep on building on your dream? You proved that it DOES WORK since you already had what you wanted, but then you also did prove that it DOES WORK WHEN YOU QUIT! And then, you are surprised as to why your uplines did not contact you? They are busy building their dreams and do not associate with average individuals. They put time and effort into winners, not quitters.
perceptive - QUIXTAR-AMWAY INFILTRATOR says:
"I crashed a meeting this Monday, I will be talking about it on the forum, so drop by there."
Carefully see to it that you do not eventually see yourself being crashed head forward, parallel to the ground, against a reinforced concrete wall at full speed. Canada, USA, I do not know but hey, back in Romania, Europe, you would be a guest of honor and I, your entertaining host.
Christian Anton>> Carefully see to it that you do not eventually see yourself being crashed head forward, parallel to the ground, against a reinforced concrete wall at full speed. Canada, USA, I do not know but hey, back in Romania, Europe, you would be a guest of honor and I, your entertaining host.
Gee, Christian, was that supposed to be a threat? If it was, I am quaking in my boots right now.
You're not being very "perceptive" here.
I don't think Christian is upset that you're critiquing the amway meeting, but the fact that you went there uninvited.
How would you like it if you had people over your house, and somebody that you don't know crashed your little get-together?
So Marisa, somebody showed you the plan and never actually mentioned that all of the money you make comes from selling products? Did you think you joined a pyramid scam where you made money by recruiting people? No wonder you quit - you discovered it's a legitimate scheme that takes work.
Glad your happy now though.
tim>> You're not being very "perceptive" here.
HAHAHA!! Boy, I love it when pro-quix folk use my "handle" as a jab ;-).... Oh, the shame of it! I am squirming in embarassment! It was supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek jab at myself, but it seems to me the pro-quix folk take things way too seriously.
tim>> I don't think Christian is upset that you're critiquing the amway meeting, but the fact that you went there uninvited.
Tim, I can't go to an Amway meeting "UN-invited". But then, you already knew that, I presume? You know, there are people at the door, "guarding" ;-) the entrance, don't you? I have to have been invited by somebody to enter that meeting.
tim>> How would you like it if you had people over your house, and somebody that you don't know crashed your little get-together?
Let me ask you this. An undercover cop goes online to bait dope-peddlers and then arranges to meet the dope-dealers at their "convention/hotel-room". Are you saying that the dope-peddlers should be upset, that he crashed their little "party/get-together"? Don't get me wrong, I don't have any delusions about being an "Undercover Cop" ;-)..... But I feel that people are being misled and led down the path of financial ruin, and I feel passionately about it to try to personally put a wrench in the proceedings. But, hey, if everything is legit and above-board, the people conducting the "meeting" would have nothing to worry about, right? They wouldn't have any problems answering my questions right? After all, this is a "business" of the utmost "integrity" right?
perceptive - QUIXTAR-AMWAY INFILTRATOR, dude, listen. I don't have to shake in your boots. You just have to heed (pay attention) to the statement. I am not frustrated with you being there. What frustrates me is your attitude due to your lack of knowledge. Who cares what people say? People like Marisa Bonneau who QUIT after she REACHED A HIGH LEVEL? At least that is what she said unless she did hide her actual level. You listen to people like that? Not one single person with some dose of common sense would ever understand people like this lady. It really occurs to me that there are some people out there who have issues that those in a mental institution do not.
Mr. Perceptive wrote:
HAHAHA!! Boy, I love it when pro-quix folk use my "handle" as a jab ;-).... Oh, the shame of it! I am squirming in embarassment! It was supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek jab at myself, but it seems to me the pro-quix folk take things way too seriously.
Your sarcasm, in this case, has been rendered ineffective against the all powerful punch of my very witty barb.
It's best if you just left it alone.
Tim, I can't go to an Amway meeting "UN-invited". But then, you already knew that, I presume? You know, there are people at the door, "guarding" ;-) the entrance, don't you?
No, not really. The amquix folks are not out to catch al-qaeda terrorists on a typical weeknight meeting open. It's just a simple business meeting. Anybody can sneak in by stating that they're in so and so's group and just paying their 3 dollars to get in.
But hey, if you really were invited, and want to brag about how you went there secretly to spy on the goings-on of a typical quixtar business meeting, then next time don't use the word "crash" - crashing a get-together means that you were there as an unwelcomed guest.
Let me ask you this. An undercover cop goes online to bait dope-peddlers and then arranges to meet the dope-dealers at their "convention/hotel-room". Are you saying that the dope-peddlers should be upset, that he crashed their little "party/get-together"? Don't get me wrong, I don't have any delusions about being an "Undercover Cop" ;-).....
What's with you critics??? Talk about taking things too seriously, You got Robert Blakey comparing the big pin diamonds to the mafia, You got PW on the main forum comparing the quixtar business opportunity to bank robbers sticking a gun to his face, and you're here comparing the open presentation meeting to dope dealers converging to set up a sale of their product to undercover narcs.
I can assure you, nothing of that sort goes on at these meetings. It's just an opportunity for people to sell soap, toothpaste, etc. in a multi-level fashion.
But to answer your question, yes, I think the dope dealers would be upset that an undercover cop infiltrated their operations. And if they found out who he was then trust me, that cop is going to get more than just a few dirty stares his way along with a semi-polite "sir, can you please leave the room before you're escorted out".
But I feel that people are being misled and led down the path of financial ruin, and I feel passionately about it to try to personally put a wrench in the proceedings.
Fair enough, just make sure you bring your goon squad with you.
Either that, or make sure your medical insurance policy covers emergency room hospital visits.
tim>> Fair enough, just make sure you bring your goon squad with you.
Either that, or make sure your medical insurance policy covers emergency room hospital visits.
Oh, wow, tim. Thanks for the concern, I will keep that in mind. Yeah, I will ;-) take my goon-squad with me from now on. Extra insurance to cover emergency visits are definitely out of question. Can't afford it.
Extra insurance to cover emergency visits are definitely out of question. Can't afford it.
Well perceptive, then I strongly suggest that next time you "crash" an open meeting, you think about signing up in order to earn some extra money to pay your bills.
Stop relying on visa & mastercard and feeding from the public trough.
Perceptive, where can we read about your crashing? I think the concept is great. I would like to read more about it. And don't worry about guys like Tim. Like the rest of his business assoicates he talks a big game and probably cannot back it up.
Hey jkl:
Maybe we can meet in person at one of these meetings, and I'll show you how I back things up.
Just name the meeting and I'll be there to greet you one on one.
tim>> Well perceptive, then I strongly suggest that next time you "crash" an open meeting, you think about signing up in order to earn some extra money to pay your bills.
Stop relying on visa & mastercard and feeding from the public trough.
You are right, tim. I should sign up. I can not only make some "extra" money to pay my bills, but if I faithfully follow the "golden-system", I am positive I will go "Diamond" in 2-5 years. Then I can "retire" and relax on the beaches of the world, with nary a care. "Residual Income" should take care of all my worries.
And to think, all this while, I have been charging up a frenzy on my credit-cards and surviving on food-stamps!
I wish I could be on the board that reviews the movie for it's rating. I would give it an "R" rating. So people who are 18 and younger who still have dreams can not watch it. It really makes me sad when people fail in a business or in life and they go and blame the system first automatically. Why not blame the real problem yourself!!! I'm a pretty big in the Quixtar business and if I ever quit or did something to discredit the organization it would be because of me not the system. The organization I'm a part of is the best in the world, the only problem is people mess that you. Just like Church's should be the safest places in the world but priest mess that up. Or how jobs should be long term except bosses mess that up. I hope the right people go see this movie, people that are big in the business who can take it and give in a two thumbs down rating. I will tell the thousands in the organization not to support it because it's the right thing to do. babyruben19@yahoo.com I'll let you really I think about fallen IBO's. Bring it, over load my e-mail with hate mail I have the time and the money to read them.
Sorry correct e-mail: babyruben10@yahoo.com
Tim,was that a thinly veiled threat or was it a legitimate offer to show me how you back things up. Either way I'm not impressed and Im not interested.
I'll tell you what you can find me at your next open. I'll be the schlub in the dark suit and red tie drinking energy drink and popping vitamins. I'd love to see you go around and try to get aggressive with strangers looking for me. What a hoot. Seriiously though you should take it down a notch. I know you can't back up any claim you may make and you know it too. So quit the posturing and get back to the fake-it until you make-it lifestyle.
from our boy jkl:
Tim,was that a thinly veiled threat or was it a legitimate offer to show me how you back things up. Either way I'm not impressed and Im not interested.
I'll tell you what you can find me at your next open. I'll be the schlub in the dark suit and red tie drinking energy drink and popping vitamins. I'd love to see you go around and try to get aggressive with strangers looking for me. What a hoot. Seriiously though you should take it down a notch. I know you can't back up any claim you may make and you know it too. So quit the posturing and get back to the fake-it until you make-it lifestyle.
It's now time to take out the critbot translator, and to run the above remarks by jkl through it:
"Gee Tim, I got it all wrong. You're a stand up fellow, who just put me in my place by seeing through the false bravado I was trying to put up with my fancy schmancy talk.
Tim, I'm obviously too much of a coward to take you up on your offer, so let me try to ease out of this by criticizing you with some more personal attacks in order to deflect how foolish I just made myself look."
My response:
That's okay Tim, whenever you get up the guts the offer still stands.
In the meantime you have my permission to continue to verbally attack my credibility - safely behind your PC screen - without any serious consequences to yourself.
from our boy jkl:
Tim,was that a thinly veiled threat or was it a legitimate offer to show me how you back things up. Either way I'm not impressed and Im not interested.
I'll tell you what you can find me at your next open. I'll be the schlub in the dark suit and red tie drinking energy drink and popping vitamins. I'd love to see you go around and try to get aggressive with strangers looking for me. What a hoot. Seriiously though you should take it down a notch. I know you can't back up any claim you may make and you know it too. So quit the posturing and get back to the fake-it until you make-it lifestyle.
It's now time to take out the critbot translator, and to run the above remarks by jkl through it:
"Gee Tim, I got it all wrong. You're a stand up fellow, who just put me in my place by seeing through the false bravado I was trying to put up with my fancy schmancy talk.
Tim, I'm obviously too much of a coward to take you up on your offer, so let me try to ease out of this by criticizing you with some more personal attacks in order to deflect how foolish I just made myself look."
My response:
That's okay jkl, whenever you get up the guts the offer still stands.
In the meantime you have my permission to continue to verbally attack my credibility - safely behind your PC screen - without any serious consequences to yourself.
Sorry for the (near) double posting QBlog. I felt it necessary to correct the freudian slip from my original response.
No need to translate me Tim. What I wrote is what I meant. Wouldn't it be nice if your so-called buisness associates did the same thing? Keep faking it until you make it. BYE-BYE you faker!
No, don't leave jkl!!! Please keep those attacks coming. It's what you critics do best (actually, it's probably the only thing you know how to do).
I think "Tim" needs an intervention for his roid rage.
"Tim" reminds me of the bully in Dumb and Dumber.
"Kick his ass Sea Bass!"
If "Tim" shows you the plan and you don't get it, he spits in your burger:)
If "Tim" shows you the plan and you don't get it, he spits in your burger:)
Very true kendall. Not only myself, but all of my other quixtar friends who work in fast food joints around the country. And not only to those we showed the plan to, but to all critics in general.
So chances are good that you received one of our famous "spitburgers" at a local diner or burger establishment near you. So next time you notice that whitish ooze coming out of a half eaten big mac or whopper - no, it's not the mayonnaise or special sauce.
Kendall: "Duuuhh, is dat what dat was? gee dat's not so nice".
"Tim" reminds me of the bully in Dumb and Dumber.
Yes, with you and jkl playing the title roles of the movie.
Nice Tim.
And so we see the type of person that the Quixtar business attracts.
Nice Tim.
And so we see the type of person that the Quixtar business attracts.
Yes Kendall, no one ever confused us with being boy scouts.
But rest assured, we're several rungs above your type on the social-personality ladder.
Tim,
"no one ever confused us with being boy scouts"
Maybe that's why you don't have a large group. People don't like doing with people they don't trust.
Best of luck to your group of one.
Kendall - you're not very bright, are you?
First off, when I used the term "us", I meant the entire quixtar force, not just my group.
Secondly, why are you automatically assuming that I have nobody else in my group other than myself? Do you know something about me that I don't know?
Heck, I might as well say that you live out on the streets and feed off trash receptacles, and I'm right just because I said so.
Well, actually I shouldn't be surprised by all of this. Like I've stated before, all you critbots know how to do is attack and criticize anyway, and probably don't know what it means to accomplish something with your lives other than to put down others - and not just with quixtar or mlm, but any feat in general.
Aparently I'm bright enough not to languish away in the Quixtar business where the liklihood of profits are extremely low because of expensive products and a motivational system that bleeds the IBO's of what little profit they do make.
People who "know what it means to accomplish something with [their] lives" usually analyze opportunities and are skeptical of bogus opportunities where the realities don't match the promises given.
"why are you automatically assuming that I have nobody else in my group other than myself?"
Just because your Mom signed up as a mercy IBO, doesn't mean you have a group.
People who "know what it means to accomplish something with [their] lives" usually analyze opportunities and are skeptical of bogus opportunities where the realities don't match the promises given.
Right, and they're also smart enough to stay away from hapless wannabes, such as yourself, who can only derive satisfaction from knocking other people's success in life.
Poor kendall - dude, I can see your eyes bulging and veins popping with anger every time you get consumed with wrath when reminded of the evils of the big bad quixtar business.
Wouldn't it be nice if you could just wave your magic wand and make the whole opportunity just disappear from the face of the earth?
Nah, on second thought, that wouldn't be good. Then you would have to pre-occupy yourself with finding another target to put down in order to build yourself up.
If I could wave my magic wand, I would lower the prices in Quixtar to make them a true value to the end consumer. I would change the focus of the motivational organizations to helping their IBO's become profitable instead of enriching their own pockets. I would change the culture of Quixtar to REAL free enterprise instead of the phoney "buy everything from only Quixtar and your upline" mentality that now exists.
I love business opportunities. I want people to succeed. I don't, however, believe that Quixtar, in its present state, with all its negatives, is a business opportunity that I can recommend to people. I think it could change, but I'm not sure that the current leadership (owners and IBO's) are willing to make those changes.
Tim, do you really think you represent your business well? I can't see how your actions could inspire people to invest thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours into a Quixtar business.
Tim, at least you have family...oh, they didn't join either? Go diamond.
If I could wave my magic wand, I would lower the prices in Quixtar to make them a true value to the end consumer. I would change the focus of the motivational organizations to helping their IBO's become profitable instead of enriching their own pockets. I would change the culture of Quixtar to REAL free enterprise instead of the phoney "buy everything from only Quixtar and your upline" mentality that now exists.
I love business opportunities. I want people to succeed. I don't, however, believe that Quixtar, in its present state, with all its negatives, is a business opportunity that I can recommend to people. I think it could change, but I'm not sure that the current leadership (owners and IBO's) are willing to make those changes.
*violins playing*
Kendall, don't be so upset, and make quixtar out to be so evil that it makes even you want to sob uncontrollably.
Tim, do you really think you represent your business well? I can't see how your actions could inspire people to invest thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours into a Quixtar business.
Wait a minute, now you are strongly implying that quixtar is a great opportunity, but that I'm just not representing it properly to others.
Your getting yourself all confused there kendall.
I'm implying and specifically saying that the Quixtar business opportunity is a poor business investment. I'm also specifically saying that you represent that poor business opportunity badly.
Any questions?
Tim, why don't you go by Qrush any more? Or was that whole thing too much of an embarassment to Quixtar?
Yes, I have a couple of questions for you Mr. Kendall:
1) Why do you convey your thoughts so poorly on this board? Is it because you are so hot under the collar that you can't think clearly? Or is it because your english grammar is that bad?
For instance:
I'm implying and specifically saying that the Quixtar business opportunity is a poor business investment.
1) How can you be both implying and specifically stating? It's either one or the other.
2) The quixtar business opportunity is just that....an opportunity, not a business investment. If you want a business investment, go down to Wall Street or the mercantile & futures exchanges.
Next:
I'm also specifically saying that you represent that poor business opportunity badly.
Well if, according to your own viewpoint, the business opportunity is bad, then how does it reflect badly on me if I represent it poorly?
Wouldn't it be bad to begin with, and continue to remain bad and sound bad, regardless of how anybody represents it?
Tim, why don't you go by Qrush any more? Or was that whole thing too much of an embarassment to Quixtar?
There you go assuming again Kendall. So far you've accused me of all of the following things during our brief conversation here:
1) I have nobody sponsored in my quixtar business.
2) My mother signed up under me because she felt sorry for me.
3) I work in a fast food joint and spit in peoples' hamburgers.
4) I'm on steroids.
5) I'm qrush.
What do the critbots like yourself always say? "Of course the facts count, how could they not?"
The Quixtar business opportunity requires an investments of time and money. The return on that investment is typically quite poor.
You've taken it one step further and proved yourself an embarassment to your business in your postings on this site.
So, let's find out the facts:
1. How many people have you sponsored and are they still active?
2. Did your mother sign up as a mercy IBO?
3. Which fast food joint to you currently work at?
4. Are you seeking help for your chemical dependancy?
5. Did Quixtar threaten you with law suits for your antics as Qrush?
Answers:
1) I've sponsored several hundred people since joining quixtar 2 years ago (I'm currently a ruby direct distributor), about 1/3 of them are currently active. I've made approximately 25 K over the last 12 months net AFTER deducting business expenses.
2) No, both my parents order products from me, but neither one of them ever signed up as IBOs.
Questions 3 thru 5, as I have already indicated, are just moronic assumptions on your part, and don't dignify any further responses from myself on the related subject matters.
While we're at it Kendall, maybe you can tell me how many old ladies you rip off on a daily basis in order to support that habit of yours, what was that called again....I forget - it's that white snowy stuff used with a tiny spoon.
btw kendall, don't think that I wouldn't just to love to walk away from this site and end this intelligent conversation we're having here, but I would feel bad for ceasing to indulge you on that anthill level that you have risen up to in life.
Hence I stay on here, realizing that this is the only thing that you have going for you - practicing your skills of a true critbot sharpshooter into the voluminous voids of cyberspace.
Even your friends jkl and perceptive were smart enough to walk away, once they realized they were fighting an unarmed battle of wits that they tried to wage against me.
Hey Tim, are you high? Seems to me someone at your success level in AmQuix wouldn't have to spend time defending it. Shouldn't you be out telling your downlines to spend more money on books, tapes and motivational tools so you can get paid?
What was your take on the NBC Dateline, investigation of AmQuix? I found it quite entertaining.
Hey Tim,
So you are a RUBY.
So I guess that means all your net profits came from product sales?
Because my upline RUBY would always tell me that there tool profit NEVER COVERED THERE SHIPPING COSTS.
Remember TIM never pass judgement and as ole mighty Bill Britt would say.
YOU ARE SNARED BY THE WORDS OF YOUR MOUTH.
More idiotic remarks by the critbots:
Hey Tim, are you high? Seems to me someone at your success level in AmQuix wouldn't have to spend time defending it. Shouldn't you be out telling your downlines to spend more money on books, tapes and motivational tools so you can get paid?
Where do you get the impression that I was defending it?
I was asked a question (actually, grilled is more like it) about my success level in the business, and I responded.
So I guess that means all your net profits came from product sales?
No, most of it came from wholesale distribution.
That's why they call it mlm or network marketing.
Or didn't you already know that? Unless you've been living under a rock your entire life, you should have.
Because my upline RUBY would always tell me that there tool profit NEVER COVERED THERE SHIPPING COSTS.
When did I ever bring up tool profits & shipping costs? You're putting words in my mouth, in typical critbot fashion.
Remember TIM never pass judgement and as ole mighty Bill Britt would say.
YOU ARE SNARED BY THE WORDS OF YOUR MOUTH.
Are you paying attention here, kendall?
Make sure you pay heed to the advice from one of your own.
What was your take on the NBC Dateline, investigation of AmQuix?
*yawn* - the usual tabloid garbage.
I found it quite entertaining.
Good for you!
I actually found it pretty hilarious myself.
tim>> Even your friends jkl and perceptive were smart enough to walk away, once they realized they were fighting an unarmed battle of wits that they tried to wage against me.
Gee, tim, I didn't know we were having some "battle" of wits. I am sorry but I am little 'slow'. Could you please educate us on what exactly we were debating?
You tell me. You're the one who likes spreading your educated charm to everybody else on the subject matter of quixtar.
I was just here to correct your many erroneous assumptions about the business.
The battle of wits was started (and subsequently lost) on your part. Hence, you're the one who has to explain why it was waged in the first place.
If you can't, don't worry about it. I'm sure your critbot cohorts will try to lend a hand to help you out in any way they can.
Btw perceptive, I loved your website. I haven't had that many laughs since they took The Three Stooges off the air some time ago.
Hey, being that you like to help people out, there's this bad-ass motorcycle gang that frequently gathers at the local watering hole in my neighborhood. How would you like to infiltrate their meeting as well? They discuss everything under the sun related to drugs, crime and their control over the area.
Let me know when you want to go. I'll let the boys know in advance to go easy on ya. They'll probably still kick your tail, but maybe it will only be severe enough to knock some sense into you.
"They discuss everything under the sun related to drugs, crime and their control over the area."
Sounds like your typical Quixar meeting.
"God told me to fill arenas with IBO's."
Tim, did God tell you to fill arenas with IBO's as well?
:)
tim>> I was just here to correct your many erroneous assumptions about the business.
Gee, Tim, thank you for educating me. First it was "The-Dalai-Lama-of-MLM-Amway-Quixtar, His Holiness, Almighty INSIDER" who was educating the folks on here. Now, we have YOU too!! Oh, I am giddy! What with the ongoing Quixtar Ad Campaign, and the PDAP initiative, and the educational campaigns by our one-and-only Tim and "Insider", all these "negative" people will just retreat into a cave and disappear. And the THIEF.... err... the great-brave-handsome Dick Devos will win the Governorship of Michigan and he will send the police and arrest all the bad, mean, negative, dream-stealer critics. And then, all the good, kind, honest Quixtar people will buy all their products from Quixtar (because they are the BEST QUALITY products in the world, NO competition), and teach others to do the same, and they will teach them to teach others to do the same, and they will teach them to teach others to teach others to do the same..... And eventually all the people on this earth will become Quixtar IBOs. And there will be peace, and harmony and hunger and disease will be eradicated. And all the world will live happily ever after. YAY!!! Everybody sing - Haaaalelujaaah!! Haaaalelujaaah!!!
tim>> The battle of wits was started (and subsequently lost) on your part. Hence, you're the one who has to explain why it was waged in the first place.
Aw, Tim, you know I am kind of 'slow', what with me being a "negative dream-stealer" and all. You shouldn't be using such 'heavy' words like "battle of wits". But if you say, you won the "battle of wits", of course I have to believe you! I mean, come on, we are talking about a Quixtar IBO. They never tell lies, they always tell the truth!
tim>> Btw perceptive, I loved your website. I haven't had that many laughs since they took The Three Stooges off the air some time ago.
Oh, what a relief! At least I could do something good for a nice Quixtar-people. After all the sins I have committed by trying to steal the Dreams of so many nice Quixtar-people, at least I did one good work to atone for my sins. Yay! Because of that one good deed, I have don't have to fast and atone for my sins for 40 days. I only have to do it for 30 days. 10 Days of Fasting reduced because of the kindness of ONE Quixtar-people, Tim!!
tim>> Hey, being that you like to help people out, there's this bad-ass motorcycle gang that frequently gathers at the local watering hole in my neighborhood. How would you like to infiltrate their meeting as well? They discuss everything under the sun related to drugs, crime and their control over the area.
Let me know when you want to go. I'll let the boys know in advance to go easy on ya. They'll probably still kick your tail, but maybe it will only be severe enough to knock some sense into you.
No, no, Tim! You got it slightly wrong this time. See, I am the BAD guy. See I also like to ride motorcycles, especially Harleys. But I am sure, you along with other Quixtar-people will "save" me and other motorcyclists from our depraved life of drugs by teaching us how to eat "healthy" by using lots of Double-X Vitamins and XS energy drinks, and Nutrilite protein shakes etc.... And within another 6 months you kind Quixtar-people will also save the world from obesity, and hunger, and disease. YAAAYY!!!!!
Perceptive>> Gee, Tim, thank you for educating me. First it was "The-Dalai-Lama-of-MLM-Amway-Quixtar, His Holiness, Almighty INSIDER" who was educating the folks on here. Now, we have YOU too!! Oh, I am giddy! What with the ongoing Quixtar Ad Campaign, and the PDAP initiative, and the educational campaigns by our one-and-only Tim and "Insider", all these "negative" people will just retreat into a cave and disappear. And the THIEF.... err... the great-brave-handsome Dick Devos will win the Governorship of Michigan and he will send the police and arrest all the bad, mean, negative, dream-stealer critics. And then, all the good, kind, honest Quixtar people will buy all their products from Quixtar (because they are the BEST QUALITY products in the world, NO competition), and teach others to do the same, and they will teach them to teach others to do the same, and they will teach them to teach others to teach others to do the same..... And eventually all the people on this earth will become Quixtar IBOs. And there will be peace, and harmony and hunger and disease will be eradicated. And all the world will live happily ever after. YAY!!! Everybody sing - Haaaalelujaaah!! Haaaalelujaaah!!!
Oh Tim, I forgot a few things! (Darn! Need to take those Nutrilite supplements, I hear they are good for boosting your memory too) All the kind, good, nice, honest Quixtar-people will also take people to all these "Life-Changing" events like "Rallies, Opens, Functions, Night-Owls, Diamond-school, Spring Leadership" etc., and "change" their lives. Boost their "self-esteem". Make them "positive", "happy-people". Eradicate the "negative" from their lives. They will become such powerful beings, that they will "speak things into existence"! They will "name it & claim it"!
Oh, the world full of "happy-people" - what a sight that will be, all holding hands (just like at a function!), and singing, "We Shall Overcome"!
I have to give the critbots credit where it's due. They seem to be using Quixtar's wonderful product - double x - religiously, as is evidenced by their energetic responses to my postings.
Too bad their brain power can't match their will power, or their power of making idiotic claims on this board.
And now to the analyses:
"They discuss everything under the sun related to drugs, crime and their control over the area."
Sounds like your typical Quixar meeting.
That's a pretty powerful statement your making there, kendall.
Do you have any proof to back up this claim of yours? Maybe you can provide a link to a reliable source that can back up this remark of yours (and no, perceptive's two-bit blogsite doesn't count as a potential source).
Aw, Tim, you know I am kind of 'slow', what with me being a "negative dream-stealer" and all. You shouldn't be using such 'heavy' words like "battle of wits". But if you say, you won the "battle of wits", of course I have to believe you! I mean, come on, we are talking about a Quixtar IBO. They never tell lies, they always tell the truth!
Wow, what a shock, perceptive!
We do agree on certain things after all!
Actually, you made several positive comments about us people-savers in your above postings, as well as point out the wonderful benefits of becoming involved with the quixtar business.
You were really quite on a roll, however, you dropped the ball with this comment:
No, no, Tim! You got it slightly wrong this time. See, I am the BAD guy. See I also like to ride motorcycles, especially Harleys.
No perceptive, you're a far cry from fitting that profile.
Let's face it, your a tiny pipsqueak who is able to ramble on without negative consequences within the safe haven of an internet chat board.
In real life you, as well as the other critbots on here, squeak more than the brakes on an old chevy.
tim>> You were really quite on a roll...
You are right, Tim. Damn, I sounded like a retarded Ambot/Quixbot! LOL!
Man, it must have been all the XS and the Double-X that I ODed on. After months of pestering and begging and groveling in front of a "KwikTar Bidnezman", I finally got some samples. I guess I got a little carried away ;-).....
Some "Bidnez", that!
Supposedly it's a "bidnez" of "selling" products. But a prospective customer can't get a sample, inspite of repeated pestering this "BidnezMan", who is SUPPOSEDLY "selling" these "wonderful high-quality" products!
NO! NO! No "selling" required.
Now wait a minute. You are wrong! "This ain't no illegal pyramid scheme. You have to sell products." That's what the "Almighty INSIDER" told Marissa Bonneau!
Yeah, but who the hell do you sell these overpriced crap.... ahem... "Super-Quality Products" to?
Oh, right! I forgot (darn, need those Nutrilite supplements for memory - but GETTING it from a KwikTar IBO is even harder than pulling teeth)!
This is a "Bidnez" where "Magic Money" is created. "Bidnez Owners" just "Buy From Themselves", and they magically get rich! No need to "sell" anything!
Nah, that can't be true.... The "Almighty INSIDER" said we HAVE to sell products.
Now, I am confused.
Oh, well.
That's what happens when us mere mortals battle GREAT MINDS like Tim, and "Almighty INSIDER".
Let this be a warning to all the critics!
DO NOT ENGAGE IN A "BATTLE OF WITS" WITH THE GREAT TIM! HE WILL LEAVE YOU IN THE DUST! ;-)...
"Let's face it, your a tiny pipsqueak who is able to ramble on without negative consequences within the safe haven of an internet chat board."
Tim, wasn't it you, who came on strong during one of your roid rages? Wasn't that you who was threatening to beat up anyone who would dare attend a Quixtar "open" meeting uninvited? Didn't you say, "make sure your medical insurance policy covers emergency room hospital visits."
Who uses the word pipsqueak anyway?
I'll quote you, quoting David, quoting the almighty Bill Britt:
"YOU ARE SNARED BY THE WORDS OF YOUR MOUTH."
Ladies and gentlemen, the new face of Quixtar...Tim. (Tim scowls at the camera wearing his orange jumpsuit as he's led off to prison for assaulting someone who didn't join Quixtar.) Is there any PV in those prison cigarettes?
Kendall said - "Is there any PV in those prison cigarettes?"
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! That was pretty funny. If Q* actually did sell cigarettes they'd probably be about $10 per pack but an IBO would tell you "These XSigerettes are the highest quality and HEALTHY too. They'll give you energy and make you a millionaire by smoking them only 10-15 hours a week"
IBO's are funny creatures aren't they?
Hey BIGDOG
There lots of PV in those SMOKES!!LOL
Tim,
Go show the plan and RELAX to much XS and Rhodiola
"Man, it must have been all the XS and the Double-X that I ODed on. After months of pestering and begging and groveling in front of a "KwikTar Bidnezman", I finally got some samples. I guess I got a little carried away ;-).....
Some "Bidnez", that! "
ROFLMAO! Are u sure you're not part of the "Believe" cast?!??
rlaurens>> "Man, it must have been all the XS and the Double-X that I ODed on. After months of pestering and begging and groveling in front of a "KwikTar Bidnezman", I finally got some samples. I guess I got a little carried away ;-).....
Some "Bidnez", that! " ROFLMAO! Are u sure you're not part of the "Believe" cast?!?? LOL!! Yeah, you know rlaurens, it kinda sucks... I have that whole "Naive, interested Prospect" schtick down pat now ;-)... I shoulda been on the "Believe" cast. Oh, well, there went my ONE chance at an Oscar....
Has anyone seen this movie yet? If anyone happens to see it, let me know how it is. It's not going to play anywhere here in NY.
I'll have to wait for the DVD to come out.
OMG...this site is hilarious..oh..I posted the "believe" website to my myspace, as well as sent this link to every one I know, including their grandmothers..LOL...I know two seemingly intelligent ppl who are all wrapped up into the "biz-ness"...she's leaving her job (though she was suppose to "retire" -- she pregnant and going to be a stay at home mom")...but the BIZ is doing SOOO well that they now want to sell one of their cars, to get a "beater" car....Oh..achum.."so they don't have to worry about another car payment..you know...to save money for the baby"...IF you are make SO MUCH MONEY..why can you not sustain your way of living? humm..I'm seeing this film in Detroit it plays the 20th....PASS the link around to ppl you know!!!
Hey guys, why rip on companies that offer an opportunity to make some cash? That's all it is, take it or leave it. What's wrong with trying to make a buck?
Dobs, nothing wrong with making a buck. Tell you what, give me $5 and I'll teach you how to make a buck.
That's the quixtar biz in a nutshell.
how do i get a copy of this movie????
This movie is a big joke. Negative people that couldn't build the business watch this type of stuff. For people like me that did build it, it makes me sad that people are this negative about something they don't really understand.
Ruben is right. Make fun of it, laugh at it, make stupid movies about it. And watch it on your little 20 inch tv because you can't pay for anything bigger. Try researching it. Amway too. more millionaires made than any other company on the planet besides Microsoft. The people that drop out don't have what it takes to be a man and step up to plate. So they cry about it and bash it and make stupid movies about it.
Everyone knows that the big wigs in the business got to where they are because of selling tools a materials. I think the business is great but lets not kid ourselves, they make more money selling tools and speaking than they do with ditto and products.
I saw the movie and I enjoyed it. There is some great humor primarily because someone takes something to the extreme. Any kind of business can be run in a Pyramid Scheme. Look at GM, General Foods, General Electric, or General Anything. How many people make more than the CEO? How many people can make more than their boss if they work hard? There is always the option to be promoted past your boss if you do a better job, but your boss may be promoted themselves or let go. This option though is not in your hands or really up to you, it is up to your superiors.
It is possible to allow hype to distort and exaggerate the opportunity. For some, the business becomes their religion. I think many get caught up in this and fail to understand that sales no matter if it is in Network Marketing or traditional marketing is hard work. It is an emotional roller coaster, but it is necessary to get information about products out. TV, Radio, Internet all serve as a marketing outlet, and so does direct sales. In fact direct sales can be more suited to certain types of products.
I think the key is to keep a proper perspective. Apply true business principles, use tact, be genuine and professional. I have seen some insane amounts of money paid out to people in MLM companies. I have worked at them on the corporate side. There is no doubt someone can do well with direct sales. I don't recommend prospecting at someones funeral, or other social events that you get invited to.
What, it's not going to premier in Ada???
I suspect it'll be a while before it opens in Rome, NY, too.
PW
Posted by: PW | September 4, 2006 5:46 AM