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August 27, 2006
Quixtar To Launch Ad Campaign
By QBlog in Quixtar
From Quixtar.com:
National ad campaign for Quixtar to launch in September
Ads to run on TV and in newspapers, magazines
A multimillion-dollar campaign for Quixtar will soon blanket the U.S. and Canada with print and TV ads.
The goal of this expansive ad program is to generate excitement and pride in the Quixtar business opportunity and in the Nutrilite® brand. By creating and running its own ads, Quixtar will no longer allow its critics to define this business. Instead, Quixtar will tell its own story, in its own words, and on its own terms.
The campaign will kick off in late September with full-page newspaper ads in USA Today that address Quixtar's foundations and the success of Alticor, its parent company. The ads will be followed by a three-month campaign blitz for Nutrilite in Newsweek magazine, beginning in October.
During the last week of September, TV spots for Quixtar and Nutrilite will begin airing on CBS, NBC, ABC, and Fox, as well as on cable networks like The Learning Channel (TLC) and FoodTV. The ads are also slated to appear on shows like the "Country Music Awards," "Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade," "Sunday Night Football on NBC," "Trading Spaces," and "30 Minute Meals with Rachael Ray."
This media plan is subject to change, so keep coming back to What's New for updates on dates, times, and specific shows.
First reported by Dave, this marks a new strategy for a business that still claims that it "doesn’t advertise, instead channeling those dollars to Independent Business Owners who generate sales at Quixtar.com."
Interesting.
Comments
I see, my reply was deleted for the losers here are already frustrated about their worsening condition. They are one step closer to comitting suicide! As I told you, it is your choice.
Losers? LOL. Hey Cristian, your reply was not deleted if that's what you think. It's easy to think that and sometimes it seems it's just that. But yes, replies do sometimes get deleted. Anyway, I agree that quite a bunch of bloggers here are frustrated with their reasons for not building their businesses.
It's a natural human response. If you see all these folk succeeding that you just *know* in your heart that you are "better" than - but they succeed and you don't? Can't have been your fault ... therefore the whole thing must be a scam!
Who started that nasty rumor about IBOs running around calling everyone 'losers'? And who denies things like that happen?
Anyway - I'm glad more people will find interest in the 'business' so they can come here and read the unedited (and undeleted) responses of those speaking out in favor of it.
Because, one again, - you can't BUY advertising like that!
It makes a little more sense now that Quixtar would want to say something directly...their ad-hoc spokesmen have not done much to further their reputation in a favorable light.
MMM, I'm partly in agreement with you on that point PCJ. Given 80% of people we talk to aren't interested in joining (at least at that time) this means 80% of the work IBOs do is brand and image building.
I'm unaware of any marketing research that says calling people losers is an effective way build a brand image.
How about you Christian? Do you think it build our brand image?
What's interesting is that Christian Anton took this post as an opportunity to use the term "LOSERS". I'm assuming that he's involved in a system and because of that, it just makes it that much harder for us to build this business. I truly believe that comments like that are far more devastating than what critics say on their blogs. It's easier to say, "oh he's a critic so don't listen to him" than "oh he's in the business supposedly reading the self-development books, but don't mind his distasteful comments".
I do believe there are "losers" out there though. For those critics who say they gave their all in building their business and then chose to pursue something else, I respect you. But I'm sure that even you have sponsored someone who said "I'll be your first Platinum and be the fastest" and then the next day you never hear from them again. I would say those are the "losers", not because that's their character, but because they choose to be. And most of them are like that in everything they do. They don't give effort into anything. I'm sure there's some who will disagree and say they're better off for not even trying b/c at least they didn't lose any money, but I guess it's a matter of perspective.
Anyways, I apologize for getting off topic. I'm all for the new campaign Quixtar is putting out. Getting people to start asking questions is great. It'll begin to seperate those who can answer them and those who can't. And those who can answer those questions will have a better chance of becoming successful because it'll truly be based on trust.
Amway used to be a household brand (whether good or bad doesn't matter) because of the door to door salesman. Since then brands like Amway, Shaklee, Watkins, etc. have become virtually unknown because the salesmen have been replaced by telemarketers, the media and the internet. So if mass media is what it takes to get Nutrilite (an 80 year old company) known, then so be it.
Hi all. I've been reading these comments & the different blogs for awhile. Interesting, indeed.
As an IBO, I'm excited about the ad campaign. People tend to believe things more just because they're on tv & in newspapers/magazines. Not sure why. But it certainly helps with "perceived credibility" in the mass public.
I have no qualms about telling people about the history of the organization, including the link to Amway. I never would have joined amway. But, after over 10 different people (co-workers, friends, business partners) prospected me, I thought I'd better check it out.
I was the world's biggest skeptic & laughed at it while at the bar with my friends. I went to my first function & almost left because the Goads were playing & I thought it was afterall, a CULT!
Good think I stayed around long enough to find out the truth. I listened with open ears & I listened with extreme skepticism. After 2 years and much research, plus bonus checks (over $300-400) every month, I've come to the conclusion that this is the real deal.
You get out of it what you put into it. Nothin' like it.
Can't wait to watch the Vikings kick some ass & watch the Quixtar/Nutilite ad campaign this fall! :-)
Molly B
There we have it again. Pearls of wisdom, from the very mouth of the one-and-only, The Dalai-Lama-Of-MLM-And-Amway-Quixtar, His Holiness, Insider:
It's a natural human response. If you see all these folk succeeding that you just *know* in your heart that you are "better" than - but they succeed and you don't? Can't have been your fault ... therefore the whole thing must be a scam!
Folks, pay attention! The Critics are complaining only because they have some strange "inferiority complex". THAT is why they call it a scam. Or, in other words, "they couldn't hack it, so they blame others".
Yeah, but just you wait. Once Quixtar starts its advertising campaign, all these "negative people" will just disappear, retreat into a cave. People will then be joining Quixtar in droves. See, the problem is, Critics have no clue how this business works.
The Almighty Insider told me how it works. This is how it works. Quixtar IBOs introduce people to Amway/Quixtar products, and the people like it so much, they keep buying it forever. Since they are buying these products anyway, it only makes sense for them to becomes IBOs, so they too becomes IBOs. Now these people also introduce other people to AmQuix products, and they too like them so much, they keep buying it forever. Since they are going to be buying the products forever they too decide to becomes IBOs. These folks also introduce other people to AmQuix products..... Annnddd the cycle continues until the whole population of the earth becomes IBOs.
And the whole world will live happily ever after.
Just you wait. All it requires is an Ad Campaign by Quixtar. Oh, I am giddy with the thought of becoming a Quixtar IBO! And I better sign up right now before the Ad Campaign starts and there is a mad stampede to sign up! Of course, I will be signing up directly with "The Almighty Insider", want to learn directly from the omniscient expert on Amway/Quixtar. Yippeee!!!!
Wow, Molly B!
Quixtar checks of $300-$400? Impressive! I would love to see those checks. Especially your Schedule C. You know, that little piece of paper that says how much you made, NET, after expenses?
You know what, maybe I should sign up with you, instead of signing up with "The Almighty Insider". See, even though he is an expert about the "theory" of this business, he really doesn't like revealing his personal business info - you know the "profit and loss" stuff.... But since you are so bold enough to come on here and proclaim your monthly "profits", I am sure you wouldn't have any problems showing us your Schedule C?
Gosh, I can't wait to sign up with you! Especially now that Quixtar is going to have an Ad Campaign!
Ok, listen, me calling some of you here "losers" sounds indeed harsh. Truth is that it makes way for such perception especially when perceptive - QUIXTAR-AMWAY INFILTRATOR believes that 400 $ checks are impossible. Why do you think they are? If you act as such it is because you adopt such mentality which helps not win but loose. I am struggling to build the business and yes, my last check was 9 $ (here in Canada). But that excites me because I see greater opportunity down the road not because I was sold into believeing that but because I sell myself into multi-millionaire mentality. Why can't you? It starts with you not with anyone else but you. Does that help you? You have to chose whether "yes" or "no" not anyone else for this is about you. What else do you you have more precious besides you than yourself when it comes to making your path into success?
Perceptive,
You sound bitter. There is an angry "tone" to your writing. You don't know me so please don't make assumptions based on the other IBO's on this site. I don't call non-IBO's losers. I try to stay away from name-calling, period.
I spend anywhere from $75.00 - $180.00 per month to run my business. This includes meetings, cd's, books (every few months), Kate, major functions. The range is determined by # of cd's purchased & whether or not I need a sitter for my kids.
Got it now, "infiltrator"? $300-400.00+ may not be squat to you but it's made a big difference in my life.
Regarding your opinion...thanks, but no thanks. Regarding actual facts...please do tell!
Molly B
Now that Q* is launching an ad campaign, what are all of the leaders going to do at functions that never used to mention the name Q*, or all of the IBO's that recruit under their business names or worse yet BWW? Are (emberassed) people who avoided using the word Quixtar in recruiting all of sudden going to be proud of what they are doing?
Now that Q* will have public adds, the recruiting tactics of IBO's might have to change. How will they ever be able to advertise as a health and wellness expert, or an E-business developer? There is some truth to that, but not a whole truth. I think this will force IBO's to promote quixtar instead of BWW
I am struggling to build the business and yes, my last check was 9 $ (here in Canada). But that excites me because I see greater opportunity down the road not because I was sold into believeing that but because I sell myself into multi-millionaire mentality.
You honestly believe that people need to be sold on "millionaire mentality?" Based on what? I doubt anyone here would reject the the opportunity to make a lot more money, or become a millionaire, if the risks were reasonable and it was coming from a system that has more than a hundreth of percent of it's active business owners qualifying at a level that's over $100,000+.
I spend anywhere from $75.00 - $180.00 per month to run my business. This includes meetings, cd's, books (every few months), Kate, major functions. The range is determined by # of cd's purchased & whether or not I need a sitter for my kids.
Got it now, "infiltrator"? $300-400.00+ may not be squat to you but it's made a big difference in my life.
Molly, how many hours per month do you spend on the business?
More good signs.
The corporation is using some of their money to take this opportunity to the next level. I've seen discussion about how the number of IBOs is basically the same as it was 30 years ago. Maybe so. I would say at least we didn't lose ground.
And this is despite the 80s 60 minutes, and Donahue scandals, and most recently the Dateline expose.
Thank GOD the corporation is finally standing up for itself. I think this is also why many PDPs are cleaning up their images as well.
Let's be honest, in order to fully move into mainstream, many PDPs (BWW specifically since that is my team) have to reign in some of the old fashioned practices.
IBOs will have to be completely honest about incomes, and their current Pin Levels. That will make IBOs work harder to build solid business.
Systems will have to tweak their teaching, and start adding in more business management, and marketing educational products. The leaders who can teach these subjects along with business attitudes and motivational speeches will be the most sought after and therefore, IBOs will work hard to educate themself so that they can teach others.
The training organizations will start to teach more sales and marketing skills. This will lead to more immediate profit for new IBOs as well as higher retention.
No a new prospect or new IBO will have the Quixtar commercial already in the back of their head before a critic can say something negative about the business. And just like Molly said, people believe what they see on TV. It creates trust and brand loyalty.
I appreciate this site because it makes IBOs stronger. We we all look back in 20 years, we will probably see that sites like these have done more to help Quixtar and groups like BWW than hurt them.
Interesting.
To me what will be most interesting is to see what CRITICS on sites like these move onto as the corporations and various systems move into the mainstream. It will be interesting to see what they decide to complain about.
The unfortuanate thing is that no one ever remembers the critic, they only remember the DREAMERS!!!
Coolbreeze, the thing about no change in number of IBOs is a complete myth. I addressed in a couple of days ago on www.thetruthaboutquixtar.com.
IBO numbers have increased 152% in the last 30 years, completely in line with the inflation adjusted 143% increase in sales.
Coolbreeze, I think you said it best when you said..the corportation is putting money in...that is what is best for the corportation, so I would also expect a big squeeze on the kingpins. I bet you would be hard pressed to find some of the motivational speakers that could actually teach something about business. This is Q* way to start shaping up.
As far as the numbers not dropping off, why don't you break that statistic up into regions, and see how just the U.S. and Canada are doing. Preferably even just the U.S.
Coolbreeze: The unfortuanate thing is that no one ever remembers the critic, they only remember the DREAMERS
but they also remember AMWAY and how terrible that was, so in the end, it is unfortunate that Q* is going to spend a lot of money that is probably already wasted
anotheribo,
it wasn't Amway that people thought was bad. In fact, people to this day, STILL agree that the products are awesome. It's the fools & idiots who went way overboard and shoved the opportunity down people's throats that gave Amway/Quixtar a bad rep to some people.
Some of these idiots & fools are still around. Sounds like they're mostly in BWW.
I'm part of WWDB. For 3 full years, they've done nothing but work WITH Quixtar (the VP's, CEO, etc.) who attends one or two of our major conferences each year. They have done nothing but teach RETAIL and how to make a PROFIT!!! It's been all about products. Not tools. Do they promote CORE? Of course! But it is certainly a balanced representation. CORE is to assist not only in profit making, but also in personal & professional development.
Try to find that anywhere else at the extremely low cost that this opportunity offers.
I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience. You may want to check this opportunity out again under an entirely different LOS. Or, just directly through Quixtar.
It's a different game today folks.
Molly said "They have done nothing but teach RETAIL and how to make a PROFIT!!! It's been all about products. Not tools. Do they promote CORE? Of course! But it is certainly a balanced representation. CORE is to assist not only in profit making, but also in personal & professional development.
Try to find that anywhere else at the extremely low cost that this opportunity offers."
Molly,
You may want to be careful here, WWDB is not free of the abuses we are talking about. Yes, they have done a good job of product education and encouraging retail. However, I don't agree that their promotion of CORE is all that balanced. In fact, I remember many teachings from stage (save Puryear) that you had to get "unbalanced" in life for a period of time to go Diamond. I was in WWG for 11 years, went to every function, (to our financial detriment) was on SOT, counseled w/ upline (Dave Duncan org) as advised to us by said upline.
WWG likes to say that "they" are different. It's the "other" groups BWW, Yager, etc. that are the ones giving Quixtar/Amway a bad name. As an 11 year vet of WWG (we quit at the end of 2004), I can say that, from what I hear from others in the other LOS, they are perpetuating or allowing many of the same abuses.
TD
TD,
That's a touchy subject because to achieve at the highest levels in business, sports, art, literature, etc. etc, I think you would be hard pressed to find that the leaders in those fields weren't "out of balance" at some point in their lives.
Its just how you present that idea, and how people interpret it. That's why if someone is speaking from personel experience it comes across differently than some one lecturing.
TD said:
I remember many teachings from stage (save Puryear) that you had to get "unbalanced" in life for a period of time to go Diamond. I was in WWG for 11 years, went to every function, (to our financial detriment) was on SOT, counseled w/ upline (Dave Duncan org) as advised to us by said upline.
I hear statements like this, and believe you. But there are a lot of other factors that are in IBOs control that would account for their success in the business.
What was your best structure? How many times per week did you show the plan on a consistent basis? Was 3 times, 5 times, 15 times per week, or was 3 times per month? I think most IBOs accomplish the latter.
How many people did you have starting out as your sphere of influence? What type of people were they? How many new prospects would you meet per week?
Personal Responsibility. Even accounting for "abuses" that are talked about, I often ask people who quit the business these question because that's really where the rubber meets the road.
People love to complain, and rarely admit to mistakes and failure. Its no different in this business.
I have to ask re: Retail.
The last specific reference I saw on that was an attempted 'debunking' of 'there is no retail and no profit.'
The 'retail' that was used to show business profitability was:
The IBO bought products at the IBO price from Quixtar, and then sold them back to himself at the 'suggested retail' price, and placed that margin in a business account as proof of profit. That was his 'be your own best customer' step. He was a WWDB IBO.
Tell me that's not your 'retail'?
A waste of money. Seeing the name Quixtar in the newspaper and on TV does not change what happened to me, and what is still happening to other people. Putting adds on TV will not change the minds of prospects who had a friend scammed by a rougue IBO. If Quixtar wants to invest millions to make its image better, then kick out the bad eggs.
Don't any of you decent, honest IBO's realize that these adds HELP the credibility of the BAD IBO's just as much as they help your credibility? This does not fix the problem.
What did Rich DeVos say about losers?
http://www.amquix.info/sounds/rd_losers.mp3
I'm with Rich.
Believe it or not, I DO feel better for having had the experience. Rich's remarks about this are RIGHT ON THE MARK.
And if people's experiences in the Amway/Quixtar business cause them to feel harmed or conned, we critics will be right here to let them know why it happened, what they are likely to be dealing with as they go through the healing process (which, btw, is not helped along by namecalling and bullying) and how they can help others to avoid the pitfalls they endured.
Every good IBO should be dedicated to doing that, instead of blindly defending the business regardless of its faults. Give critics nothing to criticize, and you create your own good P.R. Bad P.R. will always trump an ad campaign. (Anyone remember New Coke?)
I support Quixtar's ad campaign. The more people have heard of it, the more people will seek information about it. And I, for one, intend to give my side of the story.
PW
There will be problems when people check out the prices in Quixtar!
What is this nonsense about nobody remembering critics?
10 FAMOUS CRITICS
1. Thomas Jefferson -- wrote the Declaration of Independence, which criticized people named "King George III."
2. Martin Luther King Jr. -- like, criticized racism and discrimination and stuff.
3. Rachel Carson -- wrote Silent Spring, which helped launch the environmental movement.
4. Harriet Beecher Stowe -- wrote Uncle Tom's Cabin, which inflamed anti-slavery passions in the West before the Civil War.
5. Jesus of Nazareth -- criticized empty piety and the cruelty inherent in legalistic religion.
6. George Orwell -- wrote the influential anti-totalitarian novels 1984 and Animal Farm.
7. Aldous Huxley -- wrote the dystopian novel Brave New World, a classic of social criticism.
8. Upton Sinclair -- wrote The Jungle, a muckraking book about the meatpacking industry that helped bring about the creation of the FDA and safer food packaging practices.
9. Susan B. Anthony -- criticized disenfranchisement of women and helped to bring about equal voting rights for women in the U.S.
10. Pablo Picasso -- painted the great anti-war mural Guernica.
(Notice, by the way, that critics are often dreamers.)
Aiming for DEagle.
Checks: Atleast CND$850/mo
Expenses: $100/mo Max $150/mo
Months in the biz: 3
Age: 19
Legs: 4 width, 2 depth
Profession: Student studying IT/Forensics
Min hours into the biz: 10/week
Max hours into the biz: 20/week
By definition, hours is 100% into the biz. This doesnt count when im doing the biz while im doing what im usually doing. Once i prospected and gained a client by being the in washroom in the mall. Hell i even prospect/do biz waiting for the bus
Hey..dont be hatin..be skeptical all your life. Im living mine and im just 19 (turning 20 on oct)
By the way, where did you find that thing about the ads? I heard it on voicemail, but when i clicked on the link...it didnt show that site (but i did end up in the quixtar site)
Gordon Comstock
Great points about the critics.
I fail to see how TV ads are going to help all the IBO's with their business perceptions. After all, isn't TV an evil entity for dreamstealing losers?
Christian Anton, as far as suicide goes, keep buying the "tools". See where that gets you. I hope you don't think you are scribing anything new and original here as a pro IBOer.
I'm curious as well, do you know the percentage of the income your upline makes off of these "tools"?
coolbreeze: AMWAY products were pretty decent, but not the best, and now they are way over priced.
Molly B: there are better MLM's out there with better profit margins, check out tupperware and beauty control. the best part is that those products sell themselves and there aren't too many negative things those people need to overcome. The best part is they are proud to say they are part of tupperware or beauty control, they don't try to hide it like most IBO's do.
Gordon comstock: I wouldn't call Jesus a dreamer.
Quixtar as a corportation needs to reinvent itself. It is a billion $ company, but it is losing its U.S. market. The best thing they can do is change its IBO program, lower product cost, and focus on retail. Maybe even go public on the market.
PCJ,
You've never heard of or been taught retail????? You know, it's when you sell products to customers at the retail price and you get to keep the difference (otherwise known as a "profit"). Hope that helps!!!
PW,
Wow. Dude, you have some ISSUES!!! You mean to tell me that "you're out to get 'em!". You're just going to sit and wait for the "naiive, misled & uninformed" prospect to come to this site then you're going to POUNCE on 'em with your story??? Nothin' better to do, huh? Pretty sad. Dude, get some help!
Ray,
You need to get updated on the product prices. Get a clue and get an update.
Gordon,
What's your point?
Rocket,
Get over the "tools" man! At the max, it shouldn't cost over $150.00 - 200.00 per month! And that's for the hard CORE IBO! If you're truly CORE, you should be exceeding that much within the first month!!! And who gives a crap if the higher pins are making money off of them? They certainly work for it! They've earned it. And so will we when we reach that level.
AnotherIBO,
Sorry you cannot even begin to compare the Quixtar opportunity to those "hobbies" you mentioned. Could I be a "tupperware" lady? or Pampered Chef? Or MaryKay? Or Beauticontrol (or whatever that is).....sure I could. But it's extremely limiting. They are a dime a dozen & it tends to be looked at as a nice little hobby for the wifey pooh to do as a social activity & for some clothes money. UGH!!!
I'm a business woman. College-educated. I am a great mom but I can also promote this opportunity as well as sell our exclusive products to consumers & business. I have a blast doing it too! :-)
See ya,
Molly
Molly,
Q* is just as much of a hobby as the other affore mentioned MLM's, and if the same amount of time is invested I believe you would make more money in those. And they can be compared because tupperware does have a plan for residual income, bonuses, and downlines. But as such, since you are so business oriented, let me shop on YOUR website. Oh wait, I can't it is password protected (not very good for an online business, especially if you are just retailing), and more than likely a copy of someone elses. Maybe I can invest in your business, wait, don't want to do that either if you can't prove how much you are really making. Oh, and since it doesn't cost over $500 to join, the FTC doesn't really consider it a business, otherwise you would HAVE to disclose how much you make when you are signing me up. I don't really want to start nitpicking, or name calling but before you tout your college education or business ownership, you might want to be able to prove you have business like qualities. Like my high school typing teacher used to say.."empty barrels make the loudest noise".
Here we go again...
Molly, get over the tools? OK, if "at the max" it only costs 150-200 a month, do you show this during your plan presentation? No? Why not?
THAT is why you should "give a crap" about higher pins making money off of them. Because it is never told to a prospect until they are already in, if ever at all. That is the problem. You should have no problem understanding that if you are a college educated.
So you say you will also earn it at a higher level? Oh yeah? How much? Is that also defined in the business plan? No? Why not?
For a college educated business answer, you sure don't have a lot of answers about your "business".
Until an IBO can answer those questions when asked, I will not be getting over the tools.
And neither would a real business owner.
Molly,
If your 'customer' is your downline - you're wholesaling. Not retailing.
If your 'customer' is someone who is not in the'system' - you're retailing. That's real profit.
If your 'customer' is you - you just bought, and resold, something to yourself. That's not retail. It's not profit, either. As an added bonus, your 'profit' (your own money) gets taxed again because you choose to shell-game your own money to make your business look good. That's not a business. If it's such a good idea, charge yourself double and see your profits sky-rocket. Triple! Why not, it's your 'business'...and you've already proven you'll buy the stuff at whatever price you set.
The ruse that you are separating 'business' from 'personal' accounts is just that - a ruse. Why bother with the products at all? Just dump your money directly into the business account. It's an excellent way to pay for training, I'm told.
I hope that helps.
Christian said:
I do believe there are "losers" out there though. For those critics who say they gave their all in building their business and then chose to pursue something else, I respect you. But I'm sure that even you have sponsored someone who said "I'll be your first Platinum and be the fastest" and then the next day you never hear from them again. I would say those are the "losers", not because that's their character, but because they choose to be. And most of them are like that in everything they do.
Sequoia said:
Wow, Christian. Who died and made you God? I cannot believe the arrogance of this statement. Especially from a 19-year-old. Come back in a few years when you grow up a little bit. So, if you choose not to pursue the Quixtar dream, you are a loser. If you dream and don't follow through, you are a loser. Personally, I think losers are people who are cruel enough to go around judging others for not having the same lust for power and wealth as they do. The gaul of you calling anyone a loser, just because they don't want to pursue your dream! Give me a break. Go back to nursery school.
Good Golly Miss Molly! I was in Amway/QUIXAR for over 17 years and I know something about their prices! I have been in retail over 31 years and manager of a store doing several million dollars a year! I know how hard it is to get and keep customers in A/Q from experience so I am telling my side of it! I know all the little sayings that you tell new people about how easy it is to get customers. The truth is it is very hard to get them if you do it is even harder to keep them buying!
@Sequoia
Who said building a quixtar buisness was my dream? Im using quixtar as a way to reach my dream and invest into other things. Im not putting everything i have into quixtar.
Whats your problem anyways? Im just showing MY results. Im doing great with quixtar, making atleast $700/mo. I just did a product demo (aka grand opening) for my new ibo, she made $250(100 residual)in pure profit..and that was her first week and got 2 people about to reigster under her.. LOL..
Again, dont be hatin. Its not your fault that a 19year old is doing good specially with school and everything. Ill come back in a year atleast a Platinum..oh yeah ^.^
Define..grown up. If it means being cynical, skeptical and all out closeminded. Or worse putting down people who use this business to get their dreams...then i rather stay as a teenager..except its my last year as a teen..which sucks..i wish i started this earlier..than i woudnt have to work at timhortons and ea.
Oh, im studying forensics/IT cuz i like it..unlike most of my friends who are studying whatever that makes them the most money...hehe
My neighbours (my clients) seems to be happy with the prices. Some kinda got lazier abit..but..they like the ditto program and free shipping =) ...hey..some will..some wont =p..but mines liking it ^.^
Does prosumers/members count as customers that arent in the system? Cuz they do want to pay wholesale, and they do want some money back for their products and services (they still get pv/bv), and they do want to sell to whoever they want....so...are prosumers/members considered customers? cuz its like a walmart/costco membership..
PCJ: "If your 'customer' is someone who is not in the'system' - you're retailing. That's real profit."
B> As opposed to "fake" profit from PV, and growth bonus, and other business incentives?
Good job Christian, keep up the retailing and profit! You wouldnt happent to be WWDB would you? Sounds like the 10-10-10 put to action and working! (i am studying it right now, i'm in BWW, and am trying to track down the sheets)
And Ray, you complain an awful lot about the prices. Why? One of the top 5 retailers in Quixtar does 8000PV in repeating retail sales (online) and another 4000PV personally by one-to-one delivery the old way. (She used to be Amway). So, that is 12000PV from just ONE couple, who is Sapphire outside they near Ruby personal volume. And you want people here to believe it is damn near impossible to meet even the retail requirement of 10 customers because the price is too much? What makes them so much better than you? I dare say nothing, unless you count motivation and positive attitude ;-)
I guess that's why Quixtar is doing this big ad thing because you guys have so many customers! If you had so many you probably wouldn't be here trying to defend it. Somebody did 12000 pv WOW! How much did you get? Very few people do that and you know it. I guess Quixtar is going to try to help you guys out since you can't get a lot of people into the business with the facts all out in the open now. You have failed Quixtar because you haven't been pulling your weight. You hype things so much they have to try to clean your mess up!
It may be that some of Q*'s ads are running locally in the Flint MI area. I fell asleep the other night and woke up to an infomercial at 2 AM with a hottie giving the "curiousity" pitch over and over and an 800 number. I recognized the elements of the pitch instantly as Q*.
This puts Q* in a whole new light for me. They are apparently going to be putting themselves in with the "Natural male enhancement" and "make a million buying real estate with zero down" infomercial crowd. Sweet!
Quixtar is doing the ad campaign because ridiculous claims like yours are dominating the image battle. So, they are balancing it out the best way a $B business can other than hiring hit men to just knock off a few key people ;-) (j/k!)
never the less, i know building customers, when done properly, is NOT difficult. It does require servicing them, listening for needs, and possibly offering incentives and superior interaction that they would not receive anywhere else. You make the whole thing enjoyable for them, prices soon become lower on the priority list.
Do you think Armani, Tiffany's, and Larry's shoes (high end shoe place, retail or 10% above retail store wide) have too high prices? Would you, with all your managing background, dare tell them to lower their prices? I would contend they are doing just fine.
There are other market factors than price. A business owner figures out how to best sell a product for the highest price. You just find that part of business too difficult and think lowering prices is all you can do. I disagree.
Yeah im with WWDB. I give my clients discounts and incentives =).
LOL, im sponsoring a 60yr old as a prosumer tomorrow =), then doing a video conference couple hours later with a girl out of province, shes really interested (shell be my first out-of-province ibo O_O) hope i dont screw it >.
Heres usually what happens when im trying to sell products to highschool people...they are sssoooo lazy..i usually end up going to their house to show them the products (10-10-10). Works great...specially when they talk to their friends about it =p ...free advertisement my way ^.^
PS: the edibles are great (specially XS)..i do agree some products are rediculously expensive..and i agree with my guys...but hey..theres a ton of products..pick one you like =p
Oyeah, about the tools. I buy the ones i need help with. Theres even a cd/mp3 on webtour and the pipeline (LOL). Theres a site that was created by the diamonds so that people can download the general needs. Anyone want to argue about the tools..go download..its free...GOD.
As for books, if your THAT cheap, go to your library or some used bookstore..youll find em..cuz i did =p
Problem with gas going to meetings/etc, ever heard of public transport or carpool? My team roadtripped to portland (FR), then shared a room..i guess its probly the age range..cuz im with 18-24 year olds..enjoying life..having fun..abit financially free..not yet 100%...but were getting there =)
Brad--
I don't know his reasons for doing it either, maybe he didn't want to look like a failure in front of his IBO peers. You guys do seem to put a lot of pressure on someone to not be a loser. As far as the price you pay for Armani, or Tiffany's is the name and the service you get. I don't think you can hardly compare that to Quixtar. You might give great customer service and go way out of your way to be nice, but this is afterall an internet based business. Technically you shouldn't have to see anyone. But that comes from your lacking ability to advertise and have unpassword protected websites. Now that Q* is going to advertise are IBO's going to be able to as well? It only seems fair.
AnotherIBO,
The power of what IBOs and Quixtar has to offer is the fact that the IBO can provide a face and a human touch to the Internet. People buy products from other people that they like. This fact is what is going to keep making Quixtar a success.
Hugh,
I guess that's why Quixtar is doing this big ad thing because you guys have so many customers! If you had so many you probably wouldn't be here trying to defend it. Somebody did 12000 pv WOW! How much did you get? Very few people do that and you know it. I guess Quixtar is going to try to help you guys out since you can't get a lot of people into the business with the facts all out in the open now. You have failed Quixtar because you haven't been pulling your weight. You hype things so much they have to try to clean your mess up!
Posted by: Ray | August 30, 2006 4:39 AM
What's your story.
Have you ever been an IBO, or are just regurgitating BLOGSPEAK you've learned from this site.
Quixtar using corporate money can only be a "Good Thing" for new and existing IBOs.
It seems that the main concern of many critics is that certain IBO leaders are out of control with regards to the Tool Systems. Dosen't putting the Quixtar name more into public view make it harder for the "Kingpins" to be dishonest (if that's true).
Many critics come to this site acting like they are so concerned for the average IBO who may or may not be losing money, but when the corporation takes initiative to improve the opportunity (ie. ad campaign/ accredidation plan) negative critics still moan and groan.
It just makes it clearer to me many negative critics don't want any solutions, they just want to complain.
This Ad Campaign is a good thing. It only helps and it hurts no one.
Christian,
Members - now defunk? - were not part of the 'system' even though they received the IBO price. They are retail customers.
Prosumers - if they are IBOs - are part of the system. They are not retail customers. It's either IBO, or not IBO...regardless of what they do with it.
Brad -
Performance bonus / PV back are not profit if you are the last one in the chain. It's a rebate.
Now, if you're skimming PV/BV from your downline IBOs - who you told to eat most of their stuff as smart business - that's profit...but is it ethical profit? I'm not even sure it's entirely legal. 'Cause what you have effectively established is a 'keep buying lots of stuff to pay upline so you can have your future downline duplicate it and pay you back.' And don't forget - your downline is duplicating your success - which is you've spent more money than you have made. Do they know that?
PCJ,
We're discussing the upcoming ad campaign. What's you opinion?
coolbreeze--
once Quixtar gets its name out from under the Kingpins and the negative spin they create, Quixtar will then be like everyother MLM out there. I mentioned this in another post, but Tupperware and many other MLM's have better profit margins, the ability to earn a residual income, downlines who can make you money and typically don't have all the other fees associated with a motivational group like BWW.
Ray-- The power you mention isn't necessarily power. The ability to interact with your customer is good,and putting a face to name can be nice, but when you are just buying products you can get somewhere else I really don't care if Sam Walton rang my order up personally, it is just product movement. but when you are an online business, with online ordering, your online representation should be sufficient. If you want a face, put a picture on your website, or personalize it instead of copying all the other IBO websites. To me, a password protected site is not personal. Someone recently compared Q* to costco. It is far from it. I really don't care who is scanning my items, as long as they have what I need, when I need it and I can get it at a good price. Business is business, this whole thing about God and relationships and personal growth cloud business, and give kingpins the opportunity to take more money from you by appealing to your emotions.
I like the marketing campaign, but I think it should extend to all IBO's as well. Also, it is good that Quixtar is putting its name out there because the IBO practice of associating their business to BWW and not mentioning Q* is misleading and doesn't represent the Q* opportunity well, because after all it is the Q* opportunity and not the BWW opportunity.
This is just a gripe. Might be because IBO's, might be because this is what IBO's are taught, but I always hear IBO's talk about the great products, but only ever see them push the XS and vitamins. Just because you sell that stuff, doesn't make you a health and wellness business
The next gripe is an IBO doing a product demo with a BWW smock on. Why not advertise your own business?
Theres only 3 categories (for me anyways). IBO, Prosumer/Member, Client. Members pay the same fees as prosumers...except my prosumers tend to just buy wholesale...so does my members...>.
Coolbreeze:
The ad campaign - I think I'm post #5. But - just jump in anywhere.
I think it's a risky tactic - they will generate more interest, but then those interested will get a 'feel' of the current proponents - who are by most measures lacking. If they could hide most of you - that might be worth something.
Otherwise - does this advertising campaign open them up for additional scrutiny by the FTC? It might. Fine if they're ready for it (not saying they aren't or have anything specifically to worry about) - but wondering if they considered that. Keeping largely below the radar has its advantages. Advertising campaigns bring both kinds of attention.
anotheribo> "but this is afterall an internet based business. Technically you shouldn't have to see anyone. "
B> this is where you have it wrong... this business should NOT be an entirely internet business, and as you pointed out, and many critics do, it would not survive as an entirely internet business!! (password protected, huge website, little exposure etc)
You MUST service the customer. If the customer likes to be left alone and use Ditto Delivery, GOOD, if the customer would rather be reminded and incentived, GOOD, but all in all people will by from the people and stores they like, trust and respect. Period. That is business.
anotheribo> "Also, it is good that Quixtar is putting its name out there because the IBO practice of associating their business to BWW and not mentioning Q* is misleading and doesn't represent the Q* opportunity well, because after all it is the Q* opportunity and not the BWW opportunity."
Absolutely agree!! Re: directly speaking II, and the curiosity approach. DeVos Rule #5
Brad has great points. 100% Internet Business cant work without human interaction
I know it doesn't come across that way, but I do agree that an internet business can't be 100%, but the human interaction shouldn't be at the mall,bookstore, or even as Christian said, in the bathroom. Sure you want to build depth, but I think if the products are so good, let them sell themselves and then contact about joining. Just like AMWAY, Tupperware, Fuller Brush, whatever you are trying to sell, the whole point is to sell products.
Somewhere, someone got the perverse idea that recruiting billions of people was better than simply selling the product.
I separated that point because, using multi-levels was a way to sell more products, now most LOS are just selling more multi-levels
anotheribo, i agree. Products/volume is where profit lies. However, if you have ever attended a networking class, or read networking books, etc, networking happens EVERYWHERE. I believe intent is a big part of it. If you are out just to "get one" 1) the people will feel that and be turned off right there and 2) you are not finding and meeting peoples needs and truely uplifting them with what you have to offer.
1) You must sell products, create volume, to make money
2) You must find people are business to expose that product to in order for them to buy (either those you already know, or people you meet)
3)You must make it worth it for them to purchase from you and not another vendor (serve them at their needs)
4) Repeat and teach others to do the same.
3 levels of the business: the retail customer, the prosumer or small business, and the IBO or big business.
Each has different levels of involvement and needs. The customer just wants to buy products, for a multitude of reasons including, but not limited to: enjoys the products, finds value, finds it is cheaper, appreciates the service, likes the person, would rather by from individual than conglomorate, or finally, wants to help out a friend/family.
prosumer: wants couple 100 extra a month. Does not need weekly CDs or big seminars, but does need to know how to retail products, and get 10-20 customers, on top of being their own best customer. (you cannot sell what you do not believe in/have tried yourself)
Big business: become a good customer, then become a good prosumer, then find like minded individuals/self starters who can do the same. To develop skills in selling, management, leadership, accountability, etc: books, CDs and functions can be of benefit as long as they are in line with the BSMAA and Communications Platform of Accreditation.
This business is not complicated... but no one ever said it was easy either.
That's just my opinion...
all that to say: this isnt an internet business. The internet has just made communication, ordering, payment, and shipping easier.
If this isn't an internet business, why is it marketed as such? Why do IBO's prospect under false pretense of the E-business solution?
It is an internet business because that is the only place you can see the products. you don't have home parties, you don't sell products at trade shows, you sell them on the internet.
The one reason why I would say you think it isn't is because you can't prospect on the internet, you are still loitering in other public places. which by the way is illegal
@anotheribo
I market is as an internet business. Whenever i show them the webtour and the business overview, i explain it all and that it can be done online and offline. We do home parties also =p, the products are there..and some of em are great when your drunk or high ..LOL
Ive prospected over the internet... 1 of my ibos and couple clients are over the internet (but they live nearby)
Anyways, i gtg clean my room so cya. 2007 Platinum! ^.^
I didn't see your long post before the short one.
It isn't an easy business. And because of the vast amount of products Quixtar now offers, it is very complicated as well.
In my opinion some products are very lacking. This isn't nit-picking but glister toothepaste isn't even approved by the ADA. It isn't very convenient to dilute cleaning products for use, and buying clothes from the internet isn't very easy unless you know exactly what you want.
My opinion of the word Prosumer isn't very high either. It is a catchy phrase but you aren't doing anything special. You are consuming like everyone else. The difference is now you are paying taxes on the "profit" you make from buying from yourself.
When it comes to soliciting customers, meeting their needs and building them up to your products, there is so much more. They have a need already, you have to capitalize on that need. With the current situation with passwords, advertising, public retail, I don't feel quixtar is even close in competition.
Your 3 levels of business..."3 levels of the business: the retail customer, the prosumer or small business, and the IBO or big business" is wrong too.
you have a customer, I agree, but I think IBO's fall into the small business category and are synonymous with "prosumer" The only thing a big business can do is buy products they use, but can not also sell. They are big because they already have their own products to sell, and unless they are an IBO, they can't sell quixtar products in their store.
@Chrisian, you mean to tell me, you invite people over to see a bunch of Q* sitting around and then pass out order forms?
I don't want to question your ethics, but is that how you sell the business to people, you get them high because that is the only way it makes sense :)
@anotheribo
eehh..no. Just..you know..parties. Like last saturday, there was a party at this guys house..not violent of any kind..just chillin, well, i always have edible products with me, like energy drinks, sports drink, some bars..so i brought them out and stuff. True were all drunk and high, but they like the products, and in turn i got 5 names, 2 of which already ordered products =)..next question is..wholesale or retail? =p..then theyll talk about the products..then question is..do you want me to make money or you?..really..not that hard
Meh, when im doing explaining the business, its all out 100% businessy. Slacks, leather shoes, etc. I dont drug my prospects..but i meet some at..i think one of the cds call it social mixtures..but since im 19..and its summer..what do you expect >.
I don't want to preach, but I expect you to not do drugs. and yes, marijuana is a drug. Being 19 is not an excuse either. If you want to play grown up, act like one
anotheribo, your opinion about the products speaks more to your personal perception and the fact that you would be a poor choice as a potential customer than it does against the business as a whole.
The term "prosumer" is easy to use, and i dont apologize for its use and how i define it: a registered IBO building a small, profitable business by purchasing products they WILL use for a price that is cheaper, or competitive in value, than what they purchased before while also developing a customer base of 10-20 customers they service providing this "prosumer" immediate profit from retail markup and bonus checks from PV accumulation. I am not defining it as simply: an IBO that ONLY buys from themselves... if you are only buying stuff, be a customer, unless the $45/yr registration is worth getting wholesale prices.
As for not a big business: what is Britt's business, Crowe's, Puryear's, the Duncan's, Foley's, Kim's, Dornan's, etc? A "small" business?
Not everyone wants a diamond business, so dont shove people into a function saying it will "change their life" if they dont want to go. If someone wants $200/mo extra money, SHOW them how to get that. That doesnt require CORE, or functions.
But if you want a "big" business (as i am defining it) CORE and other advantages from the "system" can be utilized, within reason, and subject to the requirements listed in the above post.
We differ in opinion on this, that much is obvious, but do you unerstand where i am coming from?
I can see my floor again =p
@anotheribo
I dont want to play grown up >.
@Brad
Cool, we kinda got the same mentality. Help your guys at their level.
Whats wrong with what i said??
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@anotheribo
I dont want to play grown up >.
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i guess i cant mention that i dont do the business (meetings/1-on-1s) under the influence of anything..or that drunk people are violent and rowdy >.
oh i get it...lol..
Here what i posted without that character
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@anotheribo
I dont want to play grown up, i like being a teenager. Plus, i prefer to be high than drunk..drunk people are most of the time violent and just all out plain rude. People on pot or e are usually just mellow and trippin. I have yet too see anyone die from cuz of excess use of pot..cuz you usually cant handle it anymore to reach half of excess..LOL. Anyways, lets not talk about that, ive never did a boardplan or one-on-one under influence of anything..except XS. Lets talk about Q* =). Is there going to be advertisements for Canada?most of the stuff there are US. It'll help cutting down the negatives that this is illegal or a scam...
I hope for your sake Christian that you know the people you are getting involved with the business.
Seriously, a lot of the people that I went partying with when I was 19 would kick the snot out of a little weasel selling Amway at a party.
Oh well. When you're 19 you know everything, and anyone with other experiences is stupid.
Now that I think of it, you will be a perfect fit. My opinion of your "business" "leaders" is that they are all immature, cocky, arrogant morons.
Go diamond, boy.
@rocket
Oh i know whos getting into my business. People who are harsh into drugs arent allowed to be IBOs. Im probably immature, but cocky and arrogant? Definately no
Old timer..that was during your time not mine. Times change, roll with it. I cant say i know everything, cuz thats what the cds/books are for, and thats why im going to school for. I think your talking about the 10-15 age range. Most teens start to realize things by 16 or 17.
I could say your arrogant for profiling someone you dont know through the internet. Arrogant for complaining about the business cause you failed and a 19 year old is doing great. My 24year old upline is raking in 4-6k/mo and he studied Law at SFU. And i hope you did try this business, cause ill say your very very arrogant for talking about a business you lack experience in, other than the experiences of those that have failed and quit. Ive failed, but i stood up again, why dont you listen to my experiences (without the drug parts =p)
Welp..ttyl..gonna go set up that 60yr od prosumer dude..and if he decides to be an IBO, and succeeds, you better listen to either the retiree or the teenager. Until then, i advised him to stay prosumer
im out XD
TD said: WWG likes to say that "they" are different. It's the "other" groups BWW, Yager, etc. that are the ones giving Quixtar/Amway a bad name. As an 11 year vet of WWG (we quit at the end of 2004), I can say that, from what I hear from others in the other LOS, they are perpetuating or allowing many of the same abuses.
Molly says: What abuses? Any specifics? I can point out a few things that have been said that I didn't like but that's just it....I didn't like it. I didn't go screaming to the Quixtar police that I was being abused! I just took from the meetings what I could use...and left the rest behind. Common sense TD.
Molly says: AnotherIBO, I've been reading your comments along with all the others. You don't make any sense!?! I can't even understand your point in the first part of the running paragraph you typed back "at" me. I DO disclose what we spend and what we make to our prospects BEFORE they sign up! We signed up 5 in the past 10 days. DO NOT make ASSUMPTIONS about me and my business!
What do you mean "prove" my business abilities? To YOU? You've GOT to be kidding! What's your problem???
Molly says: PCJ, I'll repeat myself AGAIN: 'PCJ, You've never heard of or been taught retail????? You know, it's when you sell products to customers at the retail price and you get to keep the difference (otherwise known as a "profit"). Hope that helps!!!' GET IT NOW???
Ray said: Good Golly Miss Molly! I was in Amway/QUIXAR for over 17 years and I know something about their prices! I have been in retail over 31 years and manager of a store doing several million dollars a year! I know how hard it is to get and keep customers in A/Q from experience so I am telling my side of it! I know all the little sayings that you tell new people about how easy it is to get customers. The truth is it is very hard to get them if you do it is even harder to keep them buying!
Molly says: Ray, you need to be updated on the prices. That has not been my experience at all. I have quite a few customers & many Prosumers/IBO's who LOVE the products & they USE them....therefore, they find VALUE in them!
Rocket said: Molly, get over the tools? OK, if "at the max" it only costs 150-200 a month, do you show this during your plan presentation? No? Why not?
Molly says: YES, I/WE DO!
Ray says: THAT is why you should "give a crap" about higher pins making money off of them. Because it is never told to a prospect until they are already in, if ever at all. That is the problem. You should have no problem understanding that if you are a college educated.
Molly says: Can't help what other IBO's do. We are upfront about everything. Is your 'college ed' statement a hit 'below the belt'? Unnecessary Ray.
Ray said: So you say you will also earn it at a higher level? Oh yeah? How much? Is that also defined in the business plan? No? Why not?
Molly says: I believe it's the Platinum level. You know....the level you start working at the functions & meetings. Not sure why it's not in the biz plan. Maybe it will be in the future?!?
Ray said: For a college educated business answer, you sure don't have a lot of answers about your "business".
Molly says: Ummmm....Ray???? Ummmm...you said that before I had a chance to answer. You DO realize that.....don't you? Kinda silly on your part, don't ya think? ;-)
Christian, DUDE! Be careful man! You need to chill on the P.O.T. speak! You're doing great at your biz. I congratulate you on that. Just keep things professional whenever/wherever you're representing your biz. :-)
Brad & Coolbreeze, it sounds like you guys are building honest, moral, ethical businesses with integrity. I wish you well & many of God's blessings in your lives!
Molly
Molly...
This is Rocket, not Ray. Ease up on the XS babe.
So, you DO show your plan AND tell people that this will cost them $150-$200 a month? Does the corporation know that you are doing that? That is a bit of a faux pas, because I highly doubt the Corp. would approve of that. You may want to check with Alticor, not your upline.
Molly - "Can't help what other IBO's do. We are upfront about everything" Really? I call bs. Many IBO's say they are upfront about everything. Most of them, from what I've seen, are not. That includes the group I was involved with, True North in Canada.
Molly - "I believe it's the Platinum level. You know....the level you start working at the functions & meetings. Not sure why it's not in the biz plan."
So on one hand, you tell everybody EVERYTHING during your business presentation. BUT....You aren't 100% certain what level these profits start at, nor the value attached to them? It's not in the business plan because it is not a solid formatted profit schedule. That's why. It depends on the graces of your upline "leader".
Yes, the college ed' statement is a hit 'below the belt. But you have proven my point.
You say that you provide all the facts about the tools and the profits made from the tools by the upline. You also state that you don't know how much you will make from the tools, nor at what level you will be eligible to receive the tools bonus.
I guess the obvious question is, How can you be telling your prospects everything when you don't even know yourself?
In any event, you are putting your best business foot forward based on a low paying business plan with overpriced products which are not moved in the most efficient manner possible. You are working towards additional income from your tools bonus, although you don't know when you'll get it, nor how much it will be worth.
Basically you, as a college business grad, are pursuing an unmarked goal in business.
I woulod recommend you find out how much you are going to make on the tools when you qualify. Then you can decide whether the effort is worth the reward.
Because right now, you cannot say it is.
Because you are taking people's word for it. Not smart.
ROCKET (not Ray),
Wow. You are really rude. You can't even "debate" facts (vs. your opinion) in a professional manner?
Gee ROCKET, could you ever find it in your heart (if you have one!) to forgive me? Gee whiz....make a simple mistake.
You know ROCKET, the more you write, the more apparent it is why you have issues with this type of business opportunity.
It is so obvious that you dislike everything about this opportunity. The products. The profit margin. The business plan. The bonus structure. The people. The cd's. The seminars. The support structures (LOS's). The marketing materials. Even the way you can order and ship! For goodness sake ROCKET!!! I think that's kind of funny!!!
I gave you succinct answers. If you don't believe me, I really don't care. That's on you. I have absolutely no reason to lie. I'm sure you didn't believe anything you heard from the stage or on cd/tape (or maybe 8 track, in your case) and that's why you're at where you're at.
What do you do, oh mighty genius ROCKET??? What's your perfect job that has no flaws? Don't you realize when you shop at the retail stores that they're out to screw you every time you enter through their doors? I do. ROCKET, I have not found a better part-time opportunity. Not even close. So, whether you like it or not, I'll be on the "streets" promoting the hell out of this opportunity.
By the way, ROCKET, if you're going to throw people's words back at them, then do it correctly. I never said (nor would I ever) that it's going to cost the new IBO's $150.00-200.00 per month to be in this business. I said that I tell them what the costs are upfront. Premier Membership $49.95, cd's - $2.50 each (with PM), $7.00 per meeting (1-2 a month), $31.95/mo. for Kate, etc. They then decide what level they want to work this at. Or if they're just going to purchase. Get it right.
ROCKET, no. I don't know the details of the "tools profit". I DO know the bonus structure & profit levels based on product sales. Retail or wholesale. Period. That's all I need to know for now. The "tools profit" if indeed there will be any by the time I hit that level, will be icing on the cake.
ROCKET, what in the world do you have against college grads? Did you fail out of that too? No wonder you're such a bitter person................
With love, :-)
Molly B
I like her..shes just all out blunt and in your face. How old are you?
Is that Molly B or Qrush? Who else TYPES periodically in CAPS?
I think Rocket is asking some legitimate questions about the Quixtar business. What are the specifics of the profits made by the Platinums and above on tools? Why can't you produce the specifics?
Why would anyone become an IBO without the tool and system profits and its opportunities being clearly explained and on paper?
Because the business is more about the perception of progress as opposed to real profits.
I retract all my previous votes for spokeman:
We have a clear winner!
The 'New' Face of Quixtar:
"Roll With It! I'm Out!"
Once again - you can't BUY that kinda advertising.
PS - Molly: when you retail to yourself, do you play both sides?
Customer Molly: "What kind of product is this?"
IBO Molly: "It's XS. It's awesome!"
Customer Molly: "Great, I'll take a case. Do I get a discount as a frequent customer?"
IBO Molly: "Sorry, I don't give discounts. It's a business, not a charity. Full price for you."
Customer Molly: "OK. That's fair enough."
IBO Molly: "By the way, since you like this stuff so much, I was thinking of expanding my business..."
Customer Molly: "Wait, is this Quixtar?"
IBO Molly: "No, it's not Quixtar. The name of my company is Molly, Inc. But Quixtar is a great company to work with. What do you know about Quixtar?"
Does any of that count as showing the plan 3-5 times a week?
K>What are the specifics of the profits made by the Platinums and above on tools?
B> Platinum and above recieve tool profits. currently, in BWW, it is about $1.25/CD, and similar percentage for book. Plat and above handle CD and Book refunds personally. Functions profits are for speakers -- Emerald and above. As is communikate. And they provide the refunds for those services.
K> Why can't you produce the specifics?
B> because it isnt written down in BWW (like it or not) but Quixtar Accreditation is changing that... have you heard of it? check it out: www.quixtaraccreditation.com
K>Why would anyone become an IBO without the tool and system profits and its opportunities being clearly explained and on paper?
B> Because in the end, it has NO BEARING on you making this business work. If you dont like hte tools, or find no value in them, dont purchase them. The Quixtar plan will work the same. The tools are just a means to help you get there faster (if they are applied). And again, if you disagree, don't buy them! just go do your thing, and quixtar will pay you.
There are your answers Kendall.
PCJ, you are amazing in your hubris to place your words in another persons mouth. (or keyboard, in this case).
No discount on products? I, by recommendation of my Q12 and referencing 10-10-10 program of WWWDB, use the gift incenitive program. In general, frequent purchasers, or customers with large orders, are rewarded with gift incentive albums, or another gift of sorts ($50 gift card to favorite restaurant).
This is a business in which each individual can do what they want, who are you to judge?
What i find ridiculous from you, however, is you first dog people for NOT charging retail, because that is hwere the "real" profit is... then you come back, and dog Molly for charging retail?... I'm sorry PCJ, i thought you were at least consistent, my mistake.
Check out the righteous indignation by Brad!
I’m dogging Molly for ‘retailing’ to herself. That’s not retail. That’s shell-gaming money to make your business look better – cause maybe it ain’t happening any other way.
Now, that directly contradicts your statement of how the system HAS NO BEARING on whether you make this business work or not. Because – nowhere in any Quixtar business information does it tell you to charge yourself retail price in order to show a profit.
Where could THAT brilliant idea come from? Maybe someone’s system? Shellgaming your own money from one account to another – so it can be taxed again, by the way – and then wearing the mantle of ‘successful business owner showing a profit’ isn’t any part of Quixtar I’m aware of.
That you subscribe to such a system and consider my thinking inconsistent – well, I know my personal verdict on that, and will leave each to their own.
P.S. – Do you leverage some of those helpful WWDB 10-10-10 tips and occasionally discount yourself, or reward yourself with a gift album? As your ‘business’s’ biggest customer – maybe you should! Let me know when that sinks in…Oh, is your system accredited, by the way?
Christian,
You're pretty cool too. And I'm twice your age! ;-)
Brad,
I couldn't have stated it better myself. Thank you, my friend.
Kendall,
What do you mean by asking why anyone would want to do this biz w/o the tools profits? This business opp is one of the best I've ever seen. You can make 3 figures part time and with a great deal of flexibility. I know there are other opportunities. I've looked at MaryKay, Pampered Chef, Tastefully Simple & even looked into buying a Curves Franchise. This looked to be the best because: 1)the vast amount of products (both exclusive & name brand) that are offered, 2)where e-commerce is headed and 3)the in-depth, hands-on training. It just makes sense.
PCJ,
Where are you getting your information? I have really tried hard to make myself very clear to you about my retailing.
I look for customers.
I educate (promote, market) them about the products I rep.
I then sell them my products at a price I dictate.
I make the difference.
I'm sorry you don't understand that or somehow, you want to interpret that differently.
If I feel an incentive needs to be thrown in, I throw it in. It's really pretty simple. I'm having a great deal of success with it too. The Ditto Delivery option is wonderful! :-)
Also PCJ, I have conversations with people. If it logically & naturally leads to discussing the opportunity then you'd better believe that I'm going to bring it up!
You must have had such a horrible experience. Or know people who did. I'm really sorry for that. I truly am. But I'm not out in the world lying & cheating & stealing & misleading. I'm running a legitimate & fun business & enjoying every minute of it!
Take care,
Molly
Molly,
Perhaps you are as confused by my example (as you should be), or you are avoiding an answer.
The question is: Do you charge yourself the retail price for products you purchase for your own use?
Not products you sell to people outside the system. Those products that you consume yourself.
A. 'Yes, I charge myself the retail price vs. the IBO price for products I consume from my own business.'
B. 'No, I pay the IBO price for products I consume from my own business.'
C. 'I don't use any Quixtar bought products.'
D. 'I buy my products from somewhere else.'
PCJ,
Dosen't seem like you care whether or not any system is accredited. Right or Wrong? That might be too close to a solution. Do you just want to complain?
Is it that hard to believe that someone can retail and network effectively enough to create a large profitable business?
Probably only for someone who has never tried either.
Molly says: “What abuses? Any specifics? I can point out a few things that have been said that I didn't like but that's just it....I didn't like it. I didn't go screaming to the Quixtar police that I was being abused! I just took from the meetings what I could use...and left the rest behind. Common sense TD.”
TD: We’ve wandered off topic enough without me going into specifics right here and now. If you want to know what abuses I’ve seen and have happened to me and others I know of in WWG, search on the main Qblog site for “TD”. This will bring up all the comment threads I’ve posted on here in the last two years. Also, I post in the forum as “Tressa”, so feel free to read my posts there. If you have specific questions for me, you can join the forum and send me a private message.
This isn’t just about things said from stage that I (or others) didn’t like, this is about lies and manipulation by people further upline than yourself. Most of the “rank and file” people I knew in the biz were nice, honest and ethical and I miss being around them. But not enough to subject myself to the subtle manipulation that many Emeralds and above employ to keep us buying the tools and attending functions for their own profit.
TD
Dosen't seem like you care whether or not any system is accredited. Right or Wrong? That might be too close to a solution. Do you just want to complain?
Does the accreditation actually solve any problems? Is it actually enforced? Those should be the real questions you should be asking, especially given Quixtar's history in addressing problems with AMOs.
Holy schnikie!
Molly - "It is so obvious that you dislike everything about this opportunity. The products. The profit margin. The business plan. The bonus structure. The people. The cd's. The seminars. The support structures (LOS's). The marketing materials. Even the way you can order and ship! For goodness sake ROCKET!!! I think that's kind of funny!!!"
Yes, you're right. It is obvious, isn't it. I think it's funny that you think you're going to get rich from this. You won't, by the way. I don't even know you, but I know, based on how the business works you will not succeed. Sorry.
Molly - "If you don't believe me, I really don't care. "
Great! We both don't care what each other think. Problem is, you do care what people think of your little rinky dink opportunity. You're (unwisely) banking on it. Too bad.
Molly - "Don't you realize when you shop at the retail stores that they're out to screw you every time you enter through their doors? I do."
Uh, really? To screw me? At least they aren't jumping out from behind a fake palm tree or pretending to have an interest in me, then wasting my time with their little Amway deal. See, the difference is, if I enter their doors, they should be trying to sell me stuff. They aren't calling me at home trying to sell me a pair of pants or open up my own pants store. Not a real intelligent statement from a college grad.
Molly - "By the way, ROCKET, if you're going to throw people's words back at them, then do it correctly. I never said (nor would I ever) that it's going to cost the new IBO's $150.00-200.00 per month to be in this business."
Sorry, I guess I was reading this wrong:
Molly - "Rocket,
Get over the "tools" man! At the max, it shouldn't cost over $150.00 - 200.00 per month! And that's for the hard CORE IBO!"
Molly - "That's all I need to know for now. The "tools profit" if indeed there will be any by the time I hit that level, will be icing on the cake."
OK, so you are confirming then that you do not know the compensation plan as far as tools profits. You're just kinda hoping they're good.Very sound business practices you've got going there..
Kendall says it all with this very simple statement: "Because the business is more about the perception of progress as opposed to real profits."
Exactly. No normal thinking human being would buy a real business without looking through the books to see where it is and where it's going. If you are not shown profit margins, expense outlays, and historical data, then nobody would buy it. You would not just take someone's word and go on faith that it will work. If you do, you may be retarded in your thought process.
Porkchop, where ya been? You need to get out here more. Fantastic conversation of Moly with herself.
Oops, did I call her Moly? Ha Ha! I meant Molly of course. She's most certainly not a mole.
Seriously though, nothing against college grads. Maybe I even am one. I just know that being a college grad does not automatically make you smart.
The same way being in Quixtar does not automatically make you a winner, or rich.
PCJ,
I don't avoid anything. You asked me what my definition of 'retail' was. I told you. Twice. Enough said.
TD,
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Fitz,
I could easily be mistaken but.....isn't the accredidation process fairly new? How/why would the IBO's know all about the details of it if it's so new to both, IBO's & Critic's?
Rocket,
You make me crack up!!!!! Thanks for a good laugh (I almost cried, I laughed so hard!)!!!
Seriously dude, you are hilarious! I don't remember the last time I've had such silly, ridiculous things said to/about/at me about this wonderful opportunity. You take the cake.
Um...coupl'a things....first of all (and, ONCE AGAIN) the $150-200.00 should be the MAX that an IBO spends per month IF they should CHOOSE to build the business & be 100% CORE! I never said that it was a requirement nor a necessity. Can we move on now, rocket?
Secondly, at no point have I ever indicated that I'm in this to "get rich". Those are YOUR words. Keep 'em to yourself.
Third & last.... yeah, I'm confirming that I don't know the details of the "tools comp plan". DUH!!! I thought I stated that pretty clearly early on. I didn't start my biz for the tool's profits. I started my biz because I saw the Quixtar Business Plan & opportunity. That was enough for me.
Rocket, you and some of the other critbots want to make so much more out of this than there really is. Just calm down & realize this is a legit biz & offers many people a way out of debt, a way to make an extra few hundred dollars a month, or a way to fund a retirement.
Just because for you, it was all about the "bling"....doesn't mean it's that way for everyone.
Get over yourself. Try to take what little dignity you have left and go put it to better use.
GETTING BACK TO THE MAIN TOPIC: I LOVE that Quixtar will be airing a major ad campaign! I can't wait to see it. :-)
Molly
Hi Molly!
"IF they should CHOOSE to build the business & be 100% CORE! I"
And who is in this to make a few bucks here and there? That's not how the plan is presented. The usual MO is to start off with a few "aw shucks friends" type jokes, then the gloom and doom of a job and the inevitible fallout of Social Security.
Then the presenter starts talking about a way to make as much money as you want, shows a semblance of some business plan. The presenter is usually labelled as very successful, and making a good income from the business. And what of the crowds chanting about making enough to flush that stinking job? In it for a few bucks? If you say so, but know this, most of your "business" associates do not. Yet you say
"the $150-200.00 should be the MAX that an IBO spends per month IF they should CHOOSE to build the business & be 100% CORE!"
Who is encouraged to just take it slow and steady at those rallies? Nobody.
Get it done! Show The Plan! Be A Road Warrior! That doesn't sound like an endorsement to be non-core and just do a little.
If people are not in this to get rich, then what is the need for the profiles of success and it's vulgar display of wealth? What of the dream sessions and the pasting of private yaughts and exotic vacations and cars on the fridge that the AMO's encourage? Not your group? Oh, yes. I see.
Molly - "yeah, I'm confirming that I don't know the details of the "tools comp plan". DUH!!! "
But it will be the icing on the cake you say? How much icing? Your whole "business" is icing and not a whole lot of cake except for a very select few, from what I and many others have seen. That cake comes predominantly from the tools profits which you know nothing about.
I'm glad you find me so funny. I find it funny that you find me funny. So we're all laughing at one another. We're making each other happy! That's great! See IBO's, you don't need money to be happy!
My dignity is quite intact. Many IBO's dignity is not after they see what many others before them have come to see.
I can't wait to see Quixtar's ad campaign either. It will make the few that have not made the Quixtar/Amway link understand that it is Amway online. They will do a Google Search and find out the facts that were not available to people just 10 years ago. The same facts that you have chosen not to accept yet.
Thus making its purpose quite lame. Good luck with that.
Rocket said:
But it will be the icing on the cake you say? How much icing? Your whole "business" is icing and not a whole lot of cake except for a very select few, from what I and many others have seen. That cake comes predominantly from the tools profits which you know nothing about.
Is that accurat? Isn't it more accurate that a Diamond IBO does earn aprox. $150,000K from Quixtar money?
We're not talking about tool money. So don't try to be misleading. It MIGHT be true that a Diamond making $300,000 is making a large amount from tools but I still don't see the problem with that either. Not solely.
It does depend on what manipulation or underhandedness, if any, is being used to generate that tool money.
Rocket said:
I can't wait to see Quixtar's ad campaign either. It will make the few that have not made the Quixtar/Amway link understand that it is Amway online. They will do a Google Search and find out the facts that were not available to people just 10 years ago. The same facts that you have chosen not to accept yet.
Maybe so, but have you thought that maybe the ad campaign will have the opposite affect. Maybe the credibility of the major network, cable, and print mediums being used will build more brand trust.
Maybe a descision between believing Qblog vs. USA today or Superbowl ad sill cause Qblog to be seen as FRINGE.
Afterall, that's really what most of you loyal Qblog zealots are isn't it, FRINGE.
Coolbreeze,
Fringe? Wow, where'd you dig up that old chestnut? That's what we were told about the critics too! Thanks for the memories and the laugh...
TD
Rocket,
Wow. I'm really getting under your skin! I can see it now........
Your face is beet red...your eyes are popping, your veins are bulging, your fists are clenched......
Don't explode Rocket!!! :-) LOL!!!
Anyway....many many people are "in it" to make a few bucks. Don't you realize how many people would love to have even an extra $500.00-1000.00 per month?!?!?!? What a difference that would/could make for them???
You must make a ton of money and be a little out of touch with reality & the average person. Sorry, not me. I am the average person. As far as standard of living is concerned. Not however, as far as attitude, ambition, etc.
Rocket, yes. You can build it as fast or as slow as you want. You can be core....or not. You can be a business builder or a retailer or prosumer or customer. You can actually go all year without attending a meeting or purchasing a product and you still have the honor of calling yourself an "IBO".
This is truth.......whether you like it or not!
All of this IS taught and promoted at the 3 large conferences a year & at some additional regional meetings.
The other "hype & motivation from the stage" stuff you mentioned is also true. Very true. And it fires me up. Along with thousands of other IBO's. But once you leave the stadium, maybe 2% will actually put that into practice. The rest may put some into action but most will fall back into the everyday excuses of life.
Where are you from? Have you attended any meetings in the past 2 - 3 years? It doesn't sound like it. If you have not, I would highly recommend you do so. Even if it's as a "mole". I don't care. Just get updated information, ok? Then your comments may have more credibility.
Molly B
"Maybe the credibility of the major network, cable, and print mediums being used will build more brand trust."
That is possible, but not likely. Amway has been around how long? 50 years give or take?
I have doubts that a bunch of commercials are going to make up for the deceptions that the high ranking IBO's have been pulling off, right under the nose of Amway/Quixtar, who, incidentally, did nothing about it.
The difference is, if a new company comes out on TV, nobody has anything to associate it to. Not so with Amway/Quixtar. Many many people either were involved, or have a relative that discovered the truth, or at least, discovered it was non-viable.
Time will tell though.
Hello again Molly.
Understand this. You aren't "getting to me". I have nothing to lose with a debate on your business. You do. That is a fact.
OK Molly. I am curious. How many people do you know of personally that are actually clearing an extra $500-$1000 a month? That means AFTER the expenses of being CORE. Are you? Until you are, you cannot say that with any degree of certainty, unless of course, someone in your upline shows you. Which they won't. Because they likely aren't. Don't forget, that can't include tools profits!
I would doubt even 2% of people get motivated enough to succeed in this "business". If that were so, the dismal failure rate would be better than what it is. In any event, if someone is having a motivational seminar and making thousands of dollars doing it, and produces 2% success, how long do you think a REAL motivational speaker would last? Not long.
I have not been to a meeting in the past 2-3 years, but you make a valid point, I should. However, I see and read quite a bit from people who have recently quit, and it really doesn't appear to have changed much.. sorry. The net has kept me in the loop about quite a bit of the goings on in Quixtar. I even have a few super secret passwords to sites that people visiting my blog have left me, to more that 1 organization. So I likely have more global knowledge than you, as crosslining is a no-no, right?
As far as (Arrrgghhh! Overused Amway word!) CREDIBILITY goes, until you are making what your "leaders" say you can make, you don't have any credibility either, based on what you're saying.
Right now you're just spreading the gospel of something you have not achieved.
Nor fully understand, as you have admitted yourself.
"Because in the end, it [the tape and seminar profits] has NO BEARING on you making this business work."
How can you say that? Your upline is making profits from those items which is contributing to their net profit. As you have said, there is nothing written down indicating what those profits are. You, therefore, have nothing guaranteeing those profits if you achieve those same levels. They could decide that you are not worthy of the profits and decide not to give them to you. THAT is a huge red flag and should be reason enough to deter anyone seriously looking into the Quixtar business.
The accreditation program is NOT required so is in reality a joke to be ignored by most of the major Quixtar organizations.
In this case, Quixtar is more about the perception of action vs. the reality of action.
Molly,
From your default non-answer, and I gave you 4 choices, I am left to conclude:
It is 'A' - you charge yourself retail price in order to prop up your 'successful' business.
I can see why you don't want to admit that. I can't wait to see that in the advertising campaign.
It's all about integrity, remember. Is that the 'only' part of the business you won't admit to in public?
"Charge yourself DOUBLE and burst that BUBBLE!! GO DIAMOND (If you can afford it)!!!"
PCJ,
Ummmm, I was gone PCJ...you know...long weekend??? We went out of town...I do have a life you know! What about you???
By the way PCJ, I answered you THREE times! What the heck is your problem man?!?!?!?!????? Retail = selling products to customers for more than wholesale. The difference between the wholesale cost and the selling price is the profit.
Also, I don't understand why you think the concept of 'buying from yourself' is so wrong. I own a franchise. Period. I sell laundry soap, energy drinks, skin care, tennis shoes, toothpaste, etc. All at a discounted price. Avg. retail savings is 13%. Avg. wholesale savings is 30%.
Now, listen very carefully PCJ. Because I don't want to have to repeat myself over & over & over & over & over (well, hopefully you get the idea).....
Here goes....when you go to Walmart & purchase an item, do you 'pocket' the difference? Either in a piggy bank at home or in a savings account or a 401K account or something other than "in your wallet"??? If you did, then you can truly say you "saved" money by buying at the big, cheap, discount warehouse store.
All we teach is to 'pocket' (or save) the difference between the retail price & the discounted price. That way, you will have something at the end of the year for let's see......a family vacation, Christmas shopping, a used vehicle, a new appliance or paying off a credit card.
Or, if you are a self-proclaimed business builder who is seeking professional & personal development training then you would need to fund your business building efforts. You would use the monies out of the separate 'savings' account to accomplish this.
Not rocket science. I live in Minnesota. The prices I'm exposed to on the website and in the catalog are very reasonable. Not all products are cheaper. Not all are more expensive. Overall, you will experience a financial savings & you will definitely experience a time savings.
So, that's what I do. That's what I teach. It works very well & makes total sense to the people I teach it to & the people they teach it to.
It's not rocket science, PCJ.
Sorry Rocket. You completely disqualified yourself as a viable debate contender, in my opinion. You have not been around the business for over 3 years and you are taking other people's word for it on how it's run today??? And that gives you full knowledge to be able to discuss & debate it? HA! I don't think so!!!
Take care,
Molly
Molly,
Thank you for the answer. My comments were right on, then. Sorry we disagree! Sorry you have to charge yourself extra to afford a vacation, training, or a future for your family.
Good luck.
Not to pick here, but...
Molly, are you seriously saying that you are not paying more money at Quixtar's full retail vs. buying from a grocery store or warehouse store? The whole line about some being more and some being less is a lie. There may be a few items cheaper (I don't know what they are), but most are not. Can you provide us with a price list so we can do a price comparison?
The bottom line is, the numbers should add up. It's either a good deal for the end consumer or it is not. I truely do hope it is cheaper. My experience was the Quixtar was almost always more expensive even at price per use.
Molly
I am not concerned about whether or not YOU feel my information is current. That does not change anything. At all.
I notice you kinda steered clear of the crossling thing. At the end of the day, I do have more knowledge of what is going on in Quixtar if you are in fact counting on only your upline for information in regards to this business.
I am current on what is going on in a number of groups, not just one. I am current in what the Corp. is doing, and I have been helped to comprehend what is going on thanks to an IBO.
I read the court cases, the Corp. web page, and a number of password protected sites. I daresay you do not.
And Hey! Just charge yourself an extra 3 or 4 grand for your household supplies and you can go on a vacation that you want, not what your upline is offering on a promotional deal.
Just pay $3,030.00 for your next case of XS and you will have it made in the shade.
Not smart, and I feel I have spent enough time on you.
Despite the fact that I have not been sround the biz for a number of years, I still seem to know and comprehend a lot more than you about your "business"
Ta Ta now, sweetie. Go diamond
PCJ,
You didn't respond to my questions/comments. Do you personally, pocket the money you so-called "saved" at Walmart, Target, Sam's, Costco....the dollar store? I dare say, you do not. Nor do 99% of the other people out there.
Kendall, PCJ & anyone else who might care...why is it you find it so hard to believe that I personally, have found a great deal of value in shopping online for basic stuff vs. at the grocery store or the discount warehouse store? Why is that so hard to comprehend? Just because it wasn't YOUR personal experience?
I have price compared. I do shop at Walmart (or same) for some things. No biggie. I also shop online at one other store for clothing that I know fits. I'm petite, by the way. :-) And petite clothing is tough to find.
I have saved countless trips to the store. My time & gas are worth something. I have also saved money! And I do something productive with it now instead of "spend" it on something else.
You all really do need to do an updated price comparison. It sounds like it's really needed.
You need to stop living in the 70's & 80's when Amway (in the U.S.) was around & had pushy, obnoxious sales people & I guess prices were much higher.
Quixtar & WWDB have responded to people's feedback & have changed "the way they do business" dramatically. I love it!
Be sure to check it out guys. It's pretty impressive.
Otherwise, I wish you all much luck & God's Blessings.
Molly
Molly,
I don't have a hard time believing you've found value shopping online. I just believe that most people don't find Quixtar the value that you do. The biggest reason is the prices. Just face it, Walmart and Costco have bigger buying power than Quixtar does. The savings that I get by going to those stores and others allows me the freedom to spend, save, or invest that money how I choose.
Maybe I should create a business where I purchase things at Costco, Walmart, and other stores and then sell them back to myself at Quixtar prices. I could then take the difference and ... wait ... I would be making more money than you :)
That's ok Kendall. You just don't get it. I obviously don't have a chance at getting you to understand. So be it. You had a very bad experience. I know you're not the only one. You're just not the majority.
Through your posts Kendall, I get the feeling that you not only QUIT the business but you also QUIT practicing some of the basic moral & ethical principles taught as well. Too bad. You may want to start reading again. You know...work on those people skills....in fact, most all of you should really do that. As should I. Business or no business. It's just good practice.
So, get over the fact that you had a bad upline/mentor/experience/whatever (and you chose to quit) and move on to something else. God intended you for bigger things than harboring on the past.
Wow, Molly. You’re pretty harsh for someone supposedly improving one’s self through the books and the WWG system. But, I do understand your point of view; I just don’t share it anymore. Did you check out the forum like I suggested? You’ve made a lot of assumptions here about the critics of this business. Many of the critics here were involved within the last ten years, me as recently as 2004. I don’t think it has changed that much in the two years I’ve been out, based on the comments made about teachings by current IBO’s in WWG and BWW. SSDD…
Most of us are moving on with our lives, but I feel compelled to come here in my free time and tell bits of my story occasionally as a warning to others to watch for abusive tactics by uplines that you might not even be aware are being used on you. At the time, I didn’t feel I was being abused and argued with critics (in newsgroups) myself on this point. Hindsight being 20/20 and all, I realize now that my upline lied to us and manipulated us. The only thing that woke us up to this was the very real necessity to quit participating in the system due to my H’s job loss. We were faced with losing our house and going into bankruptcy. And do you know what our wonderful Emerald sponsor advised us to do? Given the choice of trying to sell the house and foreclose on it, he advised us to foreclose. Does that sound like good financial advice to you? I was terrified when I heard that over Kate, because my H really looked to our sponsor as a mentor and valued his advice above all else. After all, they would never give advice that would hurt you, would they? He struggled with this decision for a bit, caught between what he knew to be the best thing (attempting to sell) and what he was being told to do by a very powerful influence in his life. It was very scary for him to make the choice to go against upline and sell. But, praise God, it was the right thing to do for us and we do not have a foreclosure and a bankruptcy on our record. In a way, my H losing his job was the best think that ever happened to us, it demonstrated to us that the Emerald did NOT have our best interests at heart with his advice, his main motivation was to keep us in, and keep us on the system and keep us dependent. When we decided to get off SOT (due to not having any money for it) our upline removed us from his Kate distribution.
I tell you this, not because I want sympathy, I’m way past that, but because these sorts of things have happened and will continue to happen to people in MLM’s until the systems are made accountable for these abuses and they are stopped. I’m here; not for my own revenge (an emotional response) but to get IBO’s to question their upline and their system. That’s not “harboring on the past”
Interesting.
Even more interesting will be the reaction of and the frustrating aftermath for the losers here and everywhere else who scream to the four corners of the world that "IT DOES NOT WORK" and yet, the world pays no attention to their negativity. Even more so will be the case after the ads are aired with more people asking "What is the opportunity about? How can I find out more about it and what can it do for me?"
Hey, I understand that you are frustrated and that you have to blame others for your loser type attitude but don't you see that you gradually end up worse than before? If you can't stand the truth, just go ahead and commit individual or group suicide. It is your choice.
Posted by: Cristian Anton | August 27, 2006 6:33 AM