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July 2, 2006
What's the deal with spouses?
By Truth in A/QMOs
Quixtar Motivational Organizations make a big deal out of both parties in a relationship getting involved in this business together. An IBO over at my blog commented to Joecool18 about this being a couple's business. As an IBO I was setup by my former upline so that I would build this business with my wife. Here's my question though... I just don't get it, why is this necessary?
My wife ran her own distribution office for Rainbow vacuums after we quit Quixtar. The whole time she had an office I was not needed, nor ever encouraged by the regional distributor, to get involved in her business. My wife now has her own contract based business doing translating, and since I don't speak Spanish very well you can bet I am not involved in that business either. We have never had any problems resulting from the fact that I was not involved.
So what's the deal with Quixtar? Why is it different than other business models? Why do some couples split as a result of this business, and why do uplines put so much emphasis on both parties in a relationship being "plugged in?"
Some have told me in the past that both husband and wife needed to be involved otherwise the other is usually "negative" about the business. Well, don't you think they might be getting a little negative because they never see all this money you supposedly make in Quixtar? I have a hard time believing that a husband or wife would be negative if his or her spouse was bringing in money.
So let's hear it! Why do you think the motivational organizations put such an emphasis on couples in a relationship doing this business together, when it seems every other type of business this issue is not an issue at all?
Comments
The reason why it is important to have the support and involvement of your spouse is because you could be spending many evenings a week away from home building your business. It's nice to let her in on what you are working for. (:
I started my business before I married my husband. He didn't think it would work at first, but after a few months he started to see the growth and now he is my #1 fan! He has gotten us several XS customers as well.
I have noticed in my group, that if the spouse isn't involved, or at least VERY supportive..the other person usually doesn't last. Its very sad to watch one spouses dreams get tanked by the others...but it does happen. ):
I'm not here to debate anyone, but to just put in my 2 cents:
Couples are typically encouraged because they tend to relate to more people. Building as a single to Platinum and now getting married, I couldn't relate to many of the couples in my group. A lot of challenges with 'time', 'kids', etc. that most of them had was a difficult thing for me to help some of them with when they came to me for counseling. I believe what has helped me is that when a couple did have a challenge, I was able to turn them to my upline who had gone through most of the challenges that the couples in my business faced.
Another reason why I believe that couples are encouraged is because most, but not all, are typically more "mature". There's an ever growing amount of 18 - 21 yr olds getting sponsored and though most singles are excited like the first 2 weeks they're in, from my experience, most will ditch the Friday night and Saturday night trainings for a party. Some also, seem to become discouraged because none of their friends got in and they didn't go Platinum in a week as they might have expected. I find most singles very dependant on the view of their friends. It's not bad, but that's just how they typically are. Unlike most couples, even younger ones, may acknowledge what their friends think, but it doesn't phase them most of the time. And I believe it's because couples have different priorities than singles.
Because this business is built like a franchisee (retail) and franchisor (sponsoring & leadership development) at the same time, a couple can be more effective when both define their roles in their business.
My fiance has already developed relationships that she cherishes within the business. I have never asked her to come to anything with me nor have I asked her to "build" it with me. She has chosen to come on her own accord, and I believe it has strengthened our relationship. By reading some of the relationship books, she has strengthened the relationships of her family and friends as well who have chosen not to become involved with our business.
From my experience, many traditional business owners I've met that have their family involved usually have a tighter family bond. My fiance and I have become a team, not just a boyfriend and a girlfriend. And though Quixtar may not be the choice for most couples to finally get together; sometimes, just sometimes, it seemed to be what was needed for them. It may not have happened to you or anyone you know, but it definitely has happened.
R. Halling,
Don't you think they would be more supportive if they actually saw money coming in, instead of going out. I don't care what business it is I can't see any spouse being very supportive when it takes money from the family to put in the pockets of the Diamonds.
Christian,
So is this a business or a relationship counseling service? I can think of many less expensive ways to improve a relationship. What does that have to do with making a profit?
If husband and wife are not in lockstep, one might bail and eventually take the other out too. There goes a leg.
They need to have both husband and wife receiving the same indoctrination at the same time, having the same amount of sleep deprivation at the same "meeting after the meeting" followed by a nightowl.
Heaven forbid if one spouse should get to think outside the "system". They may just have a Q* "moment" and realize they are wasting precious time going to meetings, seminars, functions and loading up on tools.
The business is not for everyone. If you do not understand the reason why a couple that has become ONE in marriage should not work together on any GOAL, then that’s fine. Because it is not just a business it would not compare to any other venture thus making it hard for you to understand. Don't do the steps. Don't make the money. It is that simple.
I agree Steed. It's all about control.
It is all about control. It takes over your life, so if one half of the partnership isn't involved then they'll have different activities and will pull the Quixtar enabled partner away from the Quixtar collective and thus away from functions and other money spinning events for the evil upline.
Plus if partner is onboard, there's gonna be less 'i don't know why you still do that cr@p' conversations or even "I hate this shampoo, why can't I get my normal brand" suggestions.
Hey postive,
Myself, Drew, and many others did the steps...where is this money you were talking about?
Husbands...it doesn't matter if your wives get involved or not. There's NO WAY you're going to be able to resist the sexual ferocity of the Diamond ladies' early '90s hairstyles and gem sweaters. You can't resist. Why do you think the Yagers have so many kids? Exactly.
Its very sad to watch one spouses dreams get tanked by the others...but it does happen. ):
Dear IBOs,
Please stop referring to anyone who dislikes Quixtar as some kind of a "dream stealer," "dream burglar," "voleur du rêves," etc.
By doing so, yo are making the erroneous assumption that Quixtar is the only way to achieve "dreams," and that if someone advises another to quit a money-losing business, he is somehow robbing the person of all their dreams and aspirations. It's a complete logical fallacy, and repeating it ad infinitum only reinforces the belief that Quixtar is like a cult.
Thanks a bunch,
Don Incognito
Cult mentality 101 - limit the outside influence.
Hey Positive,
Did the steps... Had the success (Founders Ruby, 150 SOTs; 100 at functions), still only had one profitable year in 15, and that was an amazing $63.
By the way, ever wonder why those folks on stage only classify a supportive spouse as one who is not "fired up" about the business, but goes to all the meetings and uses the overpriced junk? Why wouldn't the opposite be supportive also? Wouldn't it be nice for the Ambot to be supportive and quit dragging the spouse to all of the brainwashing sessions?
Just my take. When I was active, our upline said that a couple working together can be very powerful. It was also an activity they could enjoy together and it was this "working towards a common cause" that actually strengthened a marriage.
What I also noticed about couples building a business:
1. More PV usage was expected
2. An extra standing order, wife is supposed to have her own.
3. More function tickets sold
So now with my brain cleared from the "dream stealing uplines", I now ask whether couples were encouraged
as a project for couples, or for adding revenue to the diamond's coffers?
Follow the money trail.
Two participants yield more tool dollars. If they're both 'sold out', they'll stay in longer, again yielding more tool dollars.
Don Incognito
Ok. I'll take that challange. I prospected one of my friends for this business. I met him at Presidents Club at the job we both worked at. He is one of the best sales reps I ever met. He studied the business model, and he liked it. His wife didn't care about the business plan. She just saw it as more time spent away from her. He was working 48+ hours a week at his job trying to make his quota. She didn't want him going out a few nights a week to try and change that.
In the end they settled on becoming Prosumers. They are on a Ditto plan of 235 PV + Partner Store shopping, and they make about $215.00 a month, but she couldn't see investing any time in teaching other people to make $215.00 a month and eventually having more time w/her husband.
THAT is a dream stealer.
On the other hand, she is investing time now in building her marriage and relationship with the kids, if they have any. Are those dreams not as important as a monetary one?
Of course not Janet, now you are just being silly. Quixtar is the only way to acheive your financial and every other dream. Pay no attention to the person you vowed to love for as long as you both shall live. Listen to your upline they are your new spouse. *sarcasm off*
You know if this was a game show and I was giving out prizes for the most reasonable answers JoeCool and CK would be picking their prizes right now.
And Positive would have the trap door open up and would have fallen to the mercy of "The Thing" for having the most ridiculous answer I think I have ever seen on this blog, and for those of you that have been reading this blog for sometime you know that is really something.
Also, Don Incognito would be joining CK and Joe for having the best "Come back to earth" post.
R. Halling, you are on the thin line of joining positive with your rebuttal to Don.
At the end of the day most Folks see this business as a business. However, what they don't realize is that most Systems and LOS's are first a personal development syste, second - a church, third- Club Med, and finally fourth - a business. In addition there is a secret business they are unaware of...
Because these IBOT systems combine all these unique factors in one program - they have found that if one spouse went to his own personal development program, church, Club Med, and business alone - they other spouse wonders what's going on. Thus, they encourage both spouses.
However - if one used AmQuix as just a business, as any other normal biz (traditional, franchise, MLM, etc)rather than throwing church, Club Med, and personal development in it - then one spouse with emotional support should be enough to gett'er done.
Yet - if one wants 31 flavors - the AmQuix LOS' aren't a bad place to get it - biz, church, Club Med, personal development. I'm a HUGE fan of church and Club Med - just not mixed with a business.
Cheers
In the end they settled on becoming Prosumers. They are on a Ditto plan of 235 PV + Partner Store shopping, and they make about $215.00 a month, but she couldn't see investing any time in teaching other people to make $215.00 a month and eventually having more time w/her husband.
THAT is a dream stealer.
This is a typical example of the ridiculous logic that I am talking about.
First of all, who are you to criticize someone's spouse for wanting to see more, not less of her husband?
Second, WHY is she a dream stealer? Because she doesn't want her husband to stalk prospects in boookstores at night? You're confirming what I said in my first post. Why do you think that Quixtar is the only way to achieve whatever "dreams" they may have? Or are you just pissed that she's standing in the way of YOUR "dream" of a larger downline?
Third, did you say that they're EARNING $215 monthly just by shopping at Quixtar? That just doesn't seem possible.
Come on, IBOs, if you want people to take you and your "business" seriously, quit the juvenile "dreams" and "dream stealing" talk. You sound like obsessive children, not like businesspeople.
Of course they're 'earning' $215 per month. That's because they're taught to cook the books.
235 PV x $2.7/pv (average IBO cost per PV)= $634.50 they are spending. Add the 30% retail mark-up ($190) that they are charging themselves and then crediting as 'income', plus the 3% ($19) rebate, and we get $209.
Next time I buy shampoo on sale, I should 'charge myself' full retail and then 'credit' my 'business' with the difference.
It's the same bogus accounting method, and I saved myself the sign-up fee. You record your losses (costs) to one entitiy, and your gains are creditied to another...no, wait, wasn't that Enron that did that?
Yes, PLEASE steal that dream.
What is a dream stealer and how do you steal someone's dream? A dream is in your mind. Is someone doing brainsurgery and removing a part of your brain that stores the dream?
Or is someone merely exposing the truth which suddenly makes your dream seem like likely or less attractive?
The husband and wife can relate better than the husband or wife by themselves. This is simple logic, 2 is better than 1. Don't confuse the tool profit abuse with a good idea.
So let's hear it! Why do you think the motivational organizations put such an emphasis on couples in a relationship doing this business together, when it seems every other type of business this issue is not an issue at all?
It seems that all of you already have your opinions formed. So my question would be why ask it? Why ask if you can't be open to anyone's personal answer? It seems to be a question more for the critics as all of you confirm and affirm each others' responses. Because it seems we're wrong and twisted and brainwashed . . etc.
It's like a sand trap where anyone who comes in to give their opinion and it's not in alignment with your beliefs, they've just set themselves up. According to some of you, I'm brainwashed. But if I went on here tomorrow and proclaimed my "salvation", then all of a sudden I'm not brainwashed anymore.
Xandustic seems to find CDs from Diamonds that "talk about cars, homes, etc." and how we're all materialistic, but when we talk about other things, like family and relationships, then it goes back to making money.
Then there's "well it's all about the tools because then there's 2 standing orders"! Sounds like speculation. Let's pretend there were no tool profits. Would you not agree that a husband and wife together in this would be a good thing? Wouldn't it make them more relatable?
So Drew, to answer your questions above. Yes, it is a business, but it is a people business. When I counsel people, it is intended to be business, but when speaking with them, a lot more is said than business. I got in for the money. And even after making money, I've found other rewards in this business, especially in my relationships. Isn't that what some of you say you get with your jobs? That some of you have better relationships now after Quixtar? Then that's great for you. A majority of my customers purchase from me than their own friends or family who are involved in the business because I maintain good relationships with them. They are not "losers" or "dreamstealers" to me.
So, here it goes. I've made my comment and actually I'm eager to see what's coming. R.Halling, although I may not agree with everything you say, I am here with you.
Happy 4th of July everyone. Enjoy your independence.
I agree with Cristian, in that this site seems to be a "critics club". You ask things then tear apart the pro-Quix answers.
You guys also seem to spend a LOT of time bantering back & forth & patting each other on the backs about your responses. It's just so funny!
I still don't understand what your purpose is. WHY? Why sit and pick apart and analyze every single little piece of this business opportunity? LET IT GO ALREADY!!! MOVE ON to something more significant!
With or without a supporting LOS, this business is a legitimate, real opportunity.
George, how in the WORLD did you get to Founders Ruby and NOT make money? The numbers just don't add up! Were you flying across the country every weekend to STP? Did you buy all the tools & tickets for the 100-150 CORE downline? Didn't you do ANY retail? Well, then that wouldn't be prudent business practice, now would it? Wow. I just don't how all you guys can lose so much money in this. If you don't have it, then don't SPEND it, it's that simple!
Most of the postings on this site have sure helped my business grow. It has forced me to really closely look at and think about the workings of Quixtar & the LOS I'm part of. I have come away so much more SOLD (or as you would say, brainwashed!) on this opportunity. I am aware of my surroundings & my options & that I have a choice in all I do.
I follow my Lord's word. I don't follow some guy, just because he said so. I don't care how much money he is making. If it makes sense to me & it is proven, I'll follow it. If it's bogus or not realistic for me, I won't! It's really just that simple.
So what do you call the weekly meetings and functions? I remember quite a bit of back patting, and confirming to each other about how stupid people were who didn't want any part of the opportunity.
Legitibo *snicker*
What does your Lord say about assuming you know another person before walking in his shoes? You get mad at us on this blog by trying to convince us you are different then the abusive guys and in the same post you stereotype someone because they didn't make money. As if you had any clue as to what this person's circumstances were. Yeah sure you are not acting like a typical IBO at all.
As far as why I ask these questions is simple. I want answers. I don't care who gives it I just want answers. You see many people come to this blog to get answers about this buisness. These are the questions they are asking.
Now if you leave as stupid of a response like "Positive" did I will call you on it.
CK and JoeCool gave clear good make sense responses, and now so has iamquixtar. So you can put to rest your conspiracy theories, it's about getting all views out on the table. I thought that was a good thing, I guess some only like it when it is their view only.
LEGITIBO: "Didn't you do ANY retail? Well, then that wouldn't be prudent business practice, now would it? Wow."
You're right, it wouldn't be prudent business practice. So why do the lines of sponsorship teach it?
After reading all the comments AND the original post, here was our experience from our 3 yrs in the business in the 90's (Yager/Florence):
*We were never taught to retail products. Only to put people in the seats and teach them to buy from themselves-the motivational system was tauted as the key to our success.
*We were taught to check upline before making ANY decision. This includes: changing jobs, buying a car or house, having children, making any investment. We were told numerous tales of people who failed to counsel upline before doing one of these and then.... their business failed. Point being: It would be hard to do this without having both husband and wife involved. (Of course this reaches beyond the confines of a typical business.)
Most married people can't even agree on simple things like paint color. Why would running a business together, especially one with little monetary return, be any less stressful? I guess that's why some of these uplines are forced to turn counselor--they have to to keep the peace in these "business" marriages. Serves them right.
God I'm getting sick of repeating this. If you were teaching people to "buy for themselves" ... then you were doing retail. A retail sale is a sale made not for the purpose of resale. So an IBO you sponsor is effectively buying off you for their personal consumption, ie not for resale, and thus it's a retail sale for you. (unless they are treating their personal consumption separately for tax purposes in which case it's a retail sale for their business).
Don't believe me? Go ask the IRS.
Having said all of that,merchandising, that is selling at a larger margin to non IBOs is indeed IMHO a prudent business practice. :-)
A little off topic but people really don't seem to get this.
If you were teaching people to "buy for themselves" ... then you were doing retail. A retail sale is a sale made not for the purpose of resale. So an IBO you sponsor and get to buy stuff for themselves is effectively buying off you for their personal consumption, ie not for resale, and thus it's a retail sale for you. (unless they are treating their personal consumption separately for tax purposes in which case it's a retail sale for their business).
Don't believe me? Go ask the IRS.
Having said all of that,merchandising, that is, selling at a larger margin to non IBOs is indeed IMHO a prudent business practice. :-)
"Having said all of that,merchandising, that is selling at a larger margin to non IBOs is indeed IMHO a prudent business practice. :-)"
and you know good and well what people mean when they say retailing. They are talking about making retail profit sales to regular customers, not wholesale purchases being made by their downline. More nit-picking BS by you just because someone didn't word it exactly how you want to see it.
Dictionary.com defines retailing as "The sale of goods or commodities in small quantities directly to consumers."
and defines a consumer as: "One that consumes, especially one that acquires goods or services for direct use or ownership rather than for resale or use in production and manufacturing."
Are you saying your downline is a consumer of your business and not consumers of their own business? Wouldn't that defeat the whole "buy from yourself and teach others to do the same" concept?
Should it be changed to "buy from your upline and get others to do it as well"?
Man I am getting sick of having to slam you with your own logic.
Things must be going differently these days. Back in the last decade, we were made to understand that a retail sale was a sale made at true retail price(for profit) to someone outside the business. Meaning you bought the product for your discounted distributor price of say
$5.00 and sold it for retail of $7.50 and the customer actually gave you the $7.50, not just on paper (this did not include any funds received from the corporation, only from the customer). New sponsors were considered to be independent contractors in their own right paying the wholesale distributor rate-- they were not our retail customers. This was before the internet shopping, so perhaps that goes differently.
insider> God I'm getting sick of repeating this. If you were teaching people to "buy for themselves" ... then you were doing retail. A retail sale is a sale made not for the purpose of resale. So an IBO you sponsor is effectively buying off you for their personal consumption, ie not for resale, and thus it's a retail sale for you. (unless they are treating their personal consumption separately for tax purposes in which case it's a retail sale for their business).
Joe> Great but people are not going to BUY their way into residual income and early retirement.
Drew, are you sure insider has logic?
Hey "Insider",
Don't you think you should be keeping your word, and not return to this board? Especially now, considering the beating that you have been taking repeatedly?
Oh, wait a minte, you were just lying.... Just like you lied about Quixtar collecting NET Profit and TIME Data for Platinums - Can I assume that you were lying, since you made the claim and never cared to back it up with a link to the said info? Or perhaps you will provide us with a link, after all.
To use your own logic - you, being the master of logic and all - if you are lying and deceiving, it wouldn't be an ad-hominem attack to call you a liar, right?
For the record, I just found out.
The official position from the Corp:
"No such information is available".
WHAT A COPOUT! Weasels! The answer is not whether, such info has been collected in the past, or is being collected now. The answer is "it's not available". :roll eyes: "Not Available" to who? Any Quixtar IBO below a Platinum? Is it available to IBOs Platinum or above? Diamond or above?
Yeah, it's just the AQMOs that are the problem, the Quixtar Corpn. and its owners are a paragon of integrity!
Joe,
Sure Insider has his own brand of logic. The only problem is it only makes sense to him, it is easily defeated, and extremely, extremely, extremely weak.
When did Insider claim the corp kept records of net profit? Net profit has never been an issue with our line of sponsorship, let alone with reporting these numbers to the corp. The corp views us as independent contractors, not business partners. A/Q has no interest in knowing our net profit. The kingpins have taken advantage of this "arms length" relationship and scammed tens and hundreds of thousands, and probably millions of former and current IBO's out of billions of dollars of overpriced tools, just so they can show off their great lifestyle, built mainly on those tool profits. It should be made into a movie, "The Greatest Lie Ever Told".
Insider needs to stop telling his lie that products purchased by IBO's in a downline count as retail sales. This is a lie. Retail sales are to non-IBO customers, period. If what Insider is saying is true, then there would be no reason to exempt Platinums and above from retail sales, as they would meet the requirements well before reaching Platinum. I will apologize to Insider if he can get A/Q to agree with his ridiculous position.
Also, retail sales do not have to be at retail cost, they can be sold for more or less than retail cost. I have seen this false idea on this site as well, although not by Insider, but by others.
Drew,
I was posing the questions to George. I was serious and really would love to know HOW you could be losing money at the Ruby level? It might save me much time & agony.
However, I will address a couple of things you said. First of all, we don't call anyone "idiots" or "stupid" for not getting into this biz.
I was shown the opportunity OVER 10 TIMES before I was finally ready for it. What made me ready? Having lost several jobs over the past few years. Going further backwards instead of going forwards (financially). Not having any extra funds for my kids' college education, our retirement, vacations, helping out family members, volunteering, etc. I lived a little life, got bit in the ass one too many times and saw a legitimate opportunity for me & my family.
Prior to that, I was one of those sarcastic "idiotic" or "stupid" prospects. I was arrogant and thought my "stable" corporate job would last forever and I would retire with plenty of money & health left over. NOT REALITY!
So, that is why I try really hard to not call people stupid. I try to put myself in their shoes & to look at things from their perspective. Please don't put words in my mouth and please don't assume I do anything just because of few IBO's you've met have done them.
Thank you.
Your Boy Fleak, I was being sarcastic, if you haven't figured that out by now.
Legitibo
P.S. For those of you interested, what I meant by RETAIL was: selling products at retail OR with a discount to NON-IBO's.
iamquixtar>> When did Insider claim the corp kept records of net profit?
Insider claimed it on this thread - IN THEIR OWN WORDS. He also makes the utterly laughable claim that the average Platinum works only 15 hrs a week maintaining the business after reaching the Platinum Level, if he doesn't wish to build it to a higher level. When I called him on that, he comes up with another piece of BS - that Quixtar collects info about the time Platinums spend building/maintaining the business. Perhaps you could call the corp. and verify this for me?
I wouldn't expect insider to come back to this thread or the other one where his claims have been disproven.
Lately, "insider" to "thread" has been like "passing pigeon" to "just washed car."
Ok. I'll take that challange. I prospected one of my friends for this business. I met him at Presidents Club at the job we both worked at. He is one of the best sales reps I ever met. He studied the business model, and he liked it. His wife didn't care about the business plan. She just saw it as more time spent away from her. He was working 48+ hours a week at his job trying to make his quota. She didn't want him going out a few nights a week to try and change that.
In the end they settled on becoming Prosumers. They are on a Ditto plan of 235 PV + Partner Store shopping, and they make about $215.00 a month, but she couldn't see investing any time in teaching other people to make $215.00 a month and eventually having more time w/her husband.
THAT is a dream stealer.
It was painfully obvious to me that for many people it would take a long time for the Q-biz, if at all, to warrant someone quitting an excellent career/job and in that time their children are growing up, the parents miss many of their great moments out building the biz and attending functions. I feel sorry for Birdie Yager. I heard her talk at a function once about how whe was at home with all the children when her husband was out building the business on the road. She had a bitter tone in her voice. I referred to her as "bitter Birdie" after I heard her. It was also my observation that in order to try to create success that would allow the man to not work so many hours, would eventually result in more than 48 hours a week due to functions, traveling to other functions to speak, let alone counseling downline, etc. NOW THAT IS A DREAM STEALER. And the so-called free trips to Hawaii, etc. meant a hurry-up tour of the island so that the successful people could attend the meetings. NOW THAT IS A DREAM STEALER.
I believe that the IBOs use the dream stealer bull to try to get the spouses motivated through fear, or else their "partner would move ahead to success without them". Sounds like cult tactics to me. The Dream Stealers ended up being our upline promoting us to take valuable time and quitting hobbies to build the business and trips were usually business function related. NOW THAT IS DREAM STEALING.
And now for something completely different...
How are singles supposed to find a spouse? I have a friend in her early thirties who is "fired up" and almost platinum. She would love to find a guy, but when they are "not supportive" of her, then that relationship is over. If she finds a guy who is already "in the biz," it can't work because they are cross-lining, or something like that? This seems strange. If I was selling Mary Kay, and my fiance had his own car dealership, there wouldn't be any problem. Why is it such a problem in Quixtar?
(BTW, she really is a catch! Anyone in the Twin Cities interested? She's in BWW.)
inquiringmind,
She may be able date crossline as long as she has permission from upline or upline is at least aware of it. (Crazy, I know.) Kanti and Hemi Gala's son married a crossline.
No wonder my ex-bf insisted I join when I was willing to be supportive but was just not interested.
Crazy bondage. Freedom indeed.
I laughed a lot at your blogs!!!!! I too was signed up for Quixtar and went to many meetings for women only! Although I did learn how to become a make-up artists from this group, I ventured out on my own after my husband did a Friday night men's session and was told that he had to shave off his mustache to be more respectable to our potential clientelle! There was no way he was doing that as I love it on him and he has never had a problem being respected by the many people he works with. We saw how our upline were never home with their young children and when we questioned them about it, they said that they would be able to give their children the things that they never had and would be able to spend time with them at the annual events held for families (2 a year I believe)!!! After working all day, my husband and I were too tired to prospect late into the evening not to meantion spending a lot of money on evening sitters for our children and our weekends were for our family time and church. We also noticed that our upline didn't want us to be friends with other legs of the group and were always watching who and what we talked about with other members of Quixtar. When we asked about that, we were told that we could get confused about our business by discussing it with other legs or groups. I found many of the products waaaaayyyyy over priced and even when I paid myself back, I could still save more money by buying this elsewhere that were the same or better quality. Today I only use the disposable brushes and sponges for my own make-up artist business that I ventured out to do on my own and sometimes I will order a couple tubes of toothpaste as it is a great product! My husbadn and I watched a few of the Quixtar families break-up during our stint with the company and we are very happy that we decided that our family came first! My husband has a successful painting and renovating business on the side of policing and I have a successful make-up artist business on the side of being an educational assistant and we have 4 beautiful children that have parents home to love and support them and be there for bedtime snuggles and play time weekends!
The things I learned from Qxitar that were positive were: The Artistry Course, which I took and became a successful make-up artist by branching out on my own and now joined MAC (which gives me 40% off the reatil prices of their products). I learned that family comes first...by seeing how many people were not spending time with theirs! I learned to follow your first instincts and that if it looks to good to be true it probably is! I leanred that I was right for not going on the program and buying all the tapes and monthly crap that was offered as I still have money in my pocket today. The negative things that I learned were: I learned that you cannot be a true friend to people in the Quixtar business as you are not allowed to be. I learned that people do not like you to bring your children to the hotel that the conferences are held in even to spend a few minutes with them as it is supposed to be YOUR time! I learned that many of the people in my upline are divorced and broke because they invested everything into this business and gained nothing monetarily out of it. It is sad, but true that this thing is like a cult....under any other name Amway etc...it will always be the same. A few will gain and all others will fall. That is not what Jesus wants for us now is it?
Paulene Hinds
Paulene Hinds
You need to have both the husband and wife receive the same mind control so they will think the same way the rest of the people think. If they only have this mind control over one of them, it makes it difficult to control the others thinking. Thank goodness my husband has a good job to support the dream builders organization and their top pins. He isn't controlled anymore than his upline and the majority of people in this scam.
Quixtar is a business that builds character as well as personal wealth. That's one of the reasons why I believe they encourage couples to enter together. So you can grow as a person with your spouse/significant other by your side, while earning money together. As opposed to one bringing in more money than the other. Hopefully reducing cognitive dissonance between couples...
Also, getting in business together with your partner is brilliant because now you have two sets of hands, ideas, viewpoints etc. It encourages team work and you constantly have someone you can rely on should you need to do so. This type of situation fosters a deeper bond because you are constantly working, learning, growing, and experiencing together.
As a team.
Well, if your spouse isn't with you every night you might wind up like:
Bill & Peggy Britt
Ken & Donna Stewart
Tim & Connie Foley
Casey & Cathy Comden
Bill & Hana Childers
Bill & Ms Childers 2
Bill & Ms Childers 3
etc
etc
etc
Posted by: George | July 3, 2006 3:54 AM