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July 21, 2006
Can Money Solve Everything?
By Truth in A/QMOs
Recently on the Quixtar Blog Forum a young lady registered and started a thread asking for some help. The situation she needed help with was unfortunately all too common in Quixtar. Her future husband's best-man was not going to attend their wedding because it was on the same weekend as a conference being held in Larry Winter's motivational organization (LTD). Time and time again I get e-mails from readers, and see other posts on the Net, talking about IBOs missing major family events in favor of going to a weekend function.
Fortunately, among all the typical IBO tapespeak that was thrown at her asking, "What would you do if this was your job?" blah, blah, blah, she was able to get some insight and ideas on how to potentially salvage the situation. However one IBO (Brad) posted a comment that gave some insight into the material world that is many Motivational Organizations. Take a look:
"I do disagree with a best man missing a wedding. Actions steps would be: another function. if you REALLY wnated to be at the function: fly out, or drive, after the wedding, etc. In the end, it is that best-mans choice. And he made it. The worst thing he could do now is quit the business after investing money. If he makes it work and is diamond in 5-10 yrs and treats out this couple to a vacation, i'm sure the moods will change."
Now first off kudos to Brad for disagreeing with this decision and for recommending better actions that should have been taken. However, what is the deal with thinking this guy could simply take them on a vacation, IF he gets to Diamond, and smooth things over? Do IBOs hold nothing sacred anymore? To think that you could simply buy back your family and friends after leaving them at the bottom of the priority ladder for several years is ridiculous. What is it about a weekend conference that takes priority over a once in a lifetime event?
Many IBOs like to justify this behavior by pointing to employees who are sent out of town during family events. I guess that whole benefit of owning your own business so you can set your own hours is only used when it is convenient to the IBO. On that note, my wife and I both have several successful business owners in our families and none of them have ever had to miss a family event due to business. Personally, I think the whole employee argument is irrelevant since you are supposed to be your own "Independent Business Owner." Unless of course an IBO wants to go on record saying your upline is your new boss and the system is the new company you work for?
Bottom line is there are certain things that cannot be bought with material items or money. True friendship and family is one of those things. To have an attitude that you can drop your family and friends down in priority a couple of notches and then come back later and make up for it by taking them on vacations and buying them gifts just seems very shallow to me. There are just some moments in life you can't get back, no matter how much money you have.
Comments
Heck, don't shut them out even to defintely go diamond.
That was one of the hypocrisies I hated the most during DH's years in 'the biz' - the priority list of God, Family, Country, etc, was a neat slogan. And it had absolutely nothing to do with execution.
It's easy to see why they feel like they can buy their family. IBO's are bought and sold at every meeting, seminar and function. Think about all those expensive toys uplines buy to "motivate" the downline; copies of checks that are passed around; trips taken. Wrongly, they think that once they are able to do the same thing, that family and friends who aren't in the business are going to magically think it's the best business in the world, become sponsored and go diamond themselves, walking the beaches of the world together. The neglect to see that the same currency that bought them doesn't buy their family and friends.
The message I got was, your group is your family now. If you family is negative you should just leave them alone until your biz is successful. Then try again to get them in or tell them I told you so!
to protect the intention of my comment: it was not intended that the IBO "smooth things over" by taking them on a vacation. Never did i mean a vacation to be a suitable replacement of a wedding.
HOWEVER, it is very hypocritical for one (the family et al) to be angry at an individual when a sacrifice is made for business and then accept graciously, with no apology or talk of the sacrifice, the fruits of the work. (Worse: be angry when a financially well off individual doesn't give away 'enough of' the fortune, or success, or whatever, they worked for)
Example: Bill Gates and his sacrifice between the years 1978-1984 and his times of "lock down" at microsoft.
Another Example: Lance Armstrong and cycling. Would you like to be Lance Armstrong? But are you willing to do what he did, make the sacrifices he made? His impact raised a nation together, AND lowered the obesity rate in the Dallas/Ft Worth Area because of the attention to cycling (not to mention cancer research, etc)
As i said in the post: it is a difference in thought process... round and round we go... and it will NEVER STOP.
GAE: i dont know what group you are in... but i have NEVER been told that by my group, or a function and it is in no way edified. BWW-miller/covington.
BRAD>>HOWEVER, it is very hypocritical for one (the family et al) to be angry at an individual when a sacrifice is made for business and then accept graciously, with no apology or talk of the sacrifice, the fruits of the work.
Brad, do you even think when you type? Oh, oh, my head hurts!!! "Accept" graciously? With no "apology", or "talk of the sacrifice"? "THE FRUITS OF THE WORK"????!!!! Good Lord! Are you saying that when this Best Man becomes a Diamond, he is going to give the said Married Couple some "Gift", aka a "Vacation", aka "THE FRUITS OF HIS WORK"??? And THAT is supposed to make them grateful??? The said Couple is supposed to "apologize", and "talk about his sacrifice"?
Brad, outside of Quixtar-IBO-world, most folks are not that CRASS!!!!! The groom wants his BROTHER and BEST-MAN to ATTEND the wedding!! He couldn't care less about any "gift"!
Our family has owned multiple Businesses. My father started two when we were kids, and me and my brother got involved when we were in high-school. Me and my brother started another a couple of years ago. Let's just say we have our hands full. Lotsa extended family members are also Entrepreneurs. NOBODY, LET ME REPEAT, NOBODY HAS EVER MISSED AN IMPORTANT FAMILY FUNCTION LIKE A WEDDING OR A FUNERAL, OR A 25TH ANNIVERSARY OR A 50TH BIRTHDAY! The whole point of being self-employed IS to have flexibility, in addition to the money. I have this plan to go on a long, grand-American-tour kind of road-trip on two rented Harleys with my brother before I get married. That will mean, BOTH OF US, taking a week off from our family businesses. Will our businesses take a hit? SURE, it will. Do I care? NO. Because, if I did, then I would be a slave to my business. We make a VERY good living, but what is the point of making money if you can't enjoy it?
BRAD>> Example: Bill Gates and his sacrifice between the years 1978-1984 and his times of "lock down" at microsoft.
Brad, I have read the biography of Bill-Gates/Microsoft - "HARD DRIVE". Fascinating Book! Yes, I remember reading about those lock-down periods. BUT, I don't recall reading that any of those programmers had a "WEDDING" or a "FUNERAL" to attend. You make analogies without thinking!
Do I and my brother have as much free time as some of my relatives who are NOT business-owners? No, we don't. Do they begrudge us our time spent at the business? No, they don't. They know we are young, and very driven, and building multiple businesses.
BUT.
IF we ever missed a Family "WEDDING", or a "FUNERAL", because of the business - all my cousins would literally give us a thrashing, pound the living daylights out of us!
Brad, you astound me! You are an intelligent, educated guy, but you have no idea how warped your thinking has become, with your involvement in this cult!
I recall,
my upline silver attending a free enterprise 24hrs after his wife miscarried
a saphire on stage bragging he discharged himself from ER to attend, with lobar pneumonia
and now niether are building the business now,but are dealing with fall out of these actions physically and emotionally
"to protect the intention of my comment: it was not intended that the IBO "smooth things over" by taking them on a vacation. Never did i mean a vacation to be a suitable replacement of a wedding."
This makes no sense. The intention of your comment was made quite clear as it was posted in it's context. You seem to think the mood of the bride and groom will change after a little vacation paid for by the IBO. In other words things will be smoothed over and all will be well again once a little magic materialism dust is sprinkled.
Let me remind you what the young lady had to say to you about this:
"This is the kind of thing that really makes me ponder. If you knew me better, you would know that this means more to me than a Vacation. I value friendship, trust, and honesty over a vacation. It's a matter of Values. After this topic board, I'm not seeing much Value (other than matterial value) in this company."
Key phrase their was "It's a matter of values". Just in case you missed it.
So if you didn't mean it to be a suitable replacement then you should not have brought it up. Also, on the works of Bill Gates and Lance Armstrong you are so off base it isn't even funny.
First of all Bill and Lance never showed a plan to others that they said would make them financially free in 2-5 years working only 8-12 hours a week, and then locked people in to make a sacrifice.
Second, unless Bill was keeping people from major once in a lifetime family events with his lockdowns and then telling them to take their families on vacations when they cash in their stock to change their mood you analogy does not defend your statements to this young lady.
Guys, you are missing one crucial point Brad made.
I want to give Brad props for saying that the best man may go diamond in 5-10 years, instead of the usual 2-5 that is claimed. Now we're moving in the right direction.
The day you back-out of your best-friends wedding, when you are the best-man!, to attend a frreakin' business conference, is the day you need a labotomy.......... Now, whose to say they are really close and maybe the best-man was volunteered. It's only one side of the story........... BUT I have personally heard several things out of thw Winters camp, that follow this kind of assbackwards thinking. I don't believe for a second that this guy was TOLD to dump the wedding but I believe it is percieved as a act of servitude and it is edified in the open and at night-owls..
The first experience I had with this type of attitude was at my VERY FIRST FUNCTION - Spring Leadership (WWDB) where my upline Ruby (male part of couple) was not there, and his wife was APOLOGIZING for him because he was at his MOTHER'S funeral! She said, and I quote: "It was a really hard decision for him - he loves his mom, of course, but missing a function is so detrimental. So he counseled with Howie (Danzik), who told him to make the decision."
Can you even imagine feeling like you had to counsel or to get permission to go to your mother's funeral????? Good Lord in heaven!
The second was a few years later (yeah, shows you how dumb I was to stay in longer!!!) when at another function, one of the speakers (maybe another Ruby?)was there while his wife was giving birth to their second child!! His reasoning? I have to build the business for the family I'm building!
As far as I know, this guy never went further, and I know my immediate uplines slid back from Emerald into never-never land.
How very very sad.
Yep. At a BWW function, John Crowe's wife (her name escapes me now for some reason) said John left the hospital while she was in labor because of the biz. (Or something to that effect.)
I remember thinking that my future husband had better be by my side when I'm giving birth to his child unless the universe was going to disintegrate if he didn't go.
Brad,
"Where you are five years from now will be a function of the people you associate with and the books you read"
I can remember going to my first "Attitude Session" way back in 1988, where our new upline diamonds Ron & Mellanie Rummel were speaking. My wife and I had been in the business for less than a month, and we almost walked out when Melanie gushed over Ron's masculinity for getting up and leaving her in the delivery room in Dallas to car caravan their little group at a function in Nashville. My wife and I had just lost a baby at 26 weeks, and we could not believe anyone could be that unfeeling about a miracle from God.
Four short years later, as Ruby's, my wife and I were in the car on the way out of town to a Childers Go-Diamond Weekend 8 hours away in Orlando. The black beast of a cell phone went off, and it was my sister telling me my mother had been found in here retirement apartment, she had passed away during the night. My first thought was "She's dead, put her in the fridge till we get back, this weekend is important"
We did go back home, and Childers refused to refund our ticket or hotel money, and we had an epiphany. We had become like the people we hung around with. Now everytime I think of Mom, I have to deal with the guilt given me courtesy of Pronet.
My question to you is this; what would you have thought the best man should do before you started listening to the tapes and "associating" upline?
George said,
We did go back home, and Childers refused to refund our ticket or hotel money, and we had an epiphany. We had become like the people we hung around with.
Yes, Brad is absolutely right that "where you are five years from now will be a function of the people you associate with..." The question is, what are the people you associate with like? Will they give up even very important obligations for a business? If they will, do you really want to be like them?
Reminds me of the movie "Open Water"
"We paid to do this!"
You would think that the information you can get on the internet would change some of these control mechanisms. I can't believe people can be so pliable.
Unbe-fricking-liveable
Just wondering if the dead folk would really notice a day or two delay ...
insider, are you being serious? I hope that was a joke.
Insider you are SICK! Do you not ever think about other family members that are alive? Are you trying to talk like Jesus and say "Let the dead bury the dead" or something like that! I used to hear that stuff about the only time you miss a function is a funeral, "Your Own". I would rather die broke and have my family and friends than have the money and business people around when I died!
heh heh heh
man some of you guys take life waaayyy too seriously (and death for that matter)
/insider
(who believes when he's dead he's dead so i'm not going to care what the heck anybody else is doing. Go to the seminar, go to the movies. Whatever!)
"INSIDER">> heh heh heh
man some of you guys take life waaayyy too seriously (and death for that matter) /insider
(who believes when he's dead he's dead so i'm not going to care what the heck anybody else is doing. Go to the seminar, go to the movies. Whatever!)
You arrogant P#@$%^&*!@#$#%&*^!@#$#^!!! You will do ANYTHING to make light of, or distract from anything that puts the "Almighty" Amway/Quixtar business in a bad light, wouldn't you?
We know you get paid by the Devoses (the peddlers of "compassionate capitalism" - excuse me while I go barf)and the VanAndels to do PR for the Amway/Quixtar Corpn, but how low will you go? I know you would sell your soul for the almighty dollar, but I am reminded of a scene from the movie "Wall Street" where Charlie Sheen is asking Michael Douglas, and I ask you the same question - "How much is enough, Gekko? How much? How many yachts can you ski behind, huh?"
C'mon Insider,
Haven't you heard of hyperbole?
>Just wondering if the dead folk would really notice a day or two delay ...
Any reasonable person would realize that the ceremony is less for the "dead folk" and more for their family.
I can't believe I have to write this out for you.
Is the tapespeak clouding your head again? I suggest a few drinks to clear it up.
insider,
I hope that when you are gone, there will be people left behind that liked or loved you enough to be too distraught to just attend a seminarn or see a movie.
perceptive - how's the blood pressure? I'm a little concerned for you.
An Actual IBO - touché, but I think perceptives blood pressure indicates a little more than hyperbole on his part
DI - ya think??
Rara - I don't want any of them to be disraught. A good old irish-like wake! All in all far more fun than a movie, and I'll be sure to put it in my will not to schedule the funeral at the same time as a seminar. :-)
Trust me, if they really love you, they will be distraught no matter what. That is just the normal human reaction to the death of a loved one.
insider, you are a sick , sick person. Are you so far gone that you can justify skipping a funeral? I really hope you are just kidding around .
I have really received a lot out of working with the people I "hang around". I was a lost person. Even if nothing would ever come of this, I have been able to accept God into my life. It has helped me to become a better father and husband to my family who I love very much. Some people, may have made some bad decisions in the past. But who's to say what is right and wrong. However, that is why we all have the ability to make our own decisions. I'm not defending that its right or wrong that a man leave his wife while she is in labor, the "Best Man", or the family member of the dead choose to go to whatever was happening at the time instead. But, it is their choice. You can be all high and mighty that you have never missed a family event. The fact of the mater is, you can not change the past. As for the family that was let down by the absence of their loved one. Sleep at night knowing you were present at this special event. Accept that whoever has missed out, may realize one day they made a mistake. If they don't, FORGIVE them. They are doing only what they think is right, for whatever reason that might be. You may disagree, but all the fights and trash talk or fact, if you want to call it, WILL NOT SOLVE ANYTHING! As for the Tapes, CD's, books, etc. etc. Read closely, WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON ANYONES JUDGEMENT when it comes to these types of decisions. My reason of writing this is to offend nobody. I just wanted to explain, that from all the negative people hear about the business, it still helps a lot of people like myself. God Bless!
insider: then wtf?
Ron writes: "Even if nothing would ever come of this, I have been able to accept God into my life. It has helped me to become a better father and husband to my family who I love very much"
CK replies: That's lovely, but that's not a business, that's a church or club. Of course you are entitled to spend your time and money this way, but please do not ask the taxpayers to subsidize you by writing off your CD's and function/meeting expenses as a 'busienss deduction'.
Ron also writes: "As for the Tapes, CD's, books, etc. etc. Read closely, WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON ANYONES JUDGEMENT when it comes to these types of decisions".
CK asks: If the tapes, CDs, books, and functions don't influence behavior with regard to the issues they address (and yes, they DO address these 'family issues'), then what IS their point (besides to make money for the person selling them to you)?
Again, if these 'tools' don't actually accomplish any 'work' (ie. influencing your behavior, which is purportedly their sole purpose), they are not a business expense, and those of us who pay taxes respectfully request that you stop asking us to subsidize your hobby by claiming your purchases as 'business deductions'.
Thank you.
A best man who chooses Amway over being in a wedding either-- A. never wanted the honor in the first place, or B. has developed some serious flaw in being able to assess life priorities. Whatever the case, I would wager the "best man" is now no longer considered a "best friend," and a makeup gift of a vacation five years after the fact wouldn't even be a possibility as groom AND best man would have long since parted ways.
And insider--
You probably will be at your own funeral--I can't imagine you missing it. (You are more spiritually aware than you realize.) And whether your lifeless body is in a box, or an urn, you'll be hovering in the back in spirit form wondering why all your amquix buddies of many years' standing chose to attend a lame-a** meeting instead of paying their last respects to you.
It should really be a no brainer... go to the wedding. After 'doing' the maid of honor, just think of all the opportunities around at the reception to draw circles! And then at all of the anniversary years... an investment.
Insider,
I just knew you loved hyperbole!
who doesn't? ;-)
There seem to be many inteligent people on this forum so maybe you can help me with this.
If Dateline found that Quixtar was such a disreputable company in their piece in 2004 why does Dateline list them as one of their top contributors to their Holiday Gift Drive in 2006? Did Quixtar improve? Or does Dateline have no scruples about who they get money from. And if that is the case they are probably more concerned with the ratings their hit pieces get that with the facts.
Second question. It is documented that Quixtar payed out over 30% or 1.7 million dollars to their IBO's. If nobody is making money than where did this money go? Some say that only the people at the top get the money. If that is true than why would the people at the top even bother making money on books and tapes?
Third question. Since everyone here is so inteligent do any of you have a better plan for achieving financial freedom?
Confused,
To answer your questions:
1. Dateline does not care where that money comes from. It was for a HOLIDAY DRIVE. It was not a business investment. Quixtar only gave the money in 2006 as an attempt to buy favor with Dateline. Nice scruples Quixtar!
2. The money made on books, tapes, and seminars far exceeds the money they make from Quixtar. Consider it a money printing press for the Quixtar leadership.
3. Yes. I do have a plan for my financial freedom. I'm in my 3rd year of my 5 year plan.
Good luck Confused. I wish you well on your quest to end your confusion.
Second question. It is documented that Quixtar payed out over 30% or 1.7 million dollars to their IBO's. If nobody is making money than where did this money go?
The average monthly salary for an active IBO is $115.
Third question. Since everyone here is so inteligent do any of you have a better plan for achieving financial freedom?
What's financial freedom? What does it mean to you?
I'm with Fitz on the burning question of financial freedom---when one tries to come up with an answer, it ends up being so subjective. Even extremely wealthy people are not truly financially free--they have to maintain and manage their incomes, assets, and sometimes that isn't so easy what with unscrupulous business partners, a shaky market (think 1929 and those guys jumping out of downtown windows), family members who squander the money (have you seen some of those Sweet 16 type shows and the parties these kids demand?)--well, you get the idea.
I can't think of anything in this world that is completely "free." Seems like there's always a cost, be it material, emotional, mental, or spiritual.
Maybe we should be happy if we can all just break even.
That's my plan for financial freedom--I set myself free from the fantasy that money and wealth equals personal freedom, success, and happiness.
I am not what I own.
Fitz - that average is meaningless because most IBOs did nothing and earned nothing. Throw some zeros in to any "average" calculation and see what happens to the numbers.
Truebeliever - money cannot buy happiness, I'm of the opinion that can only come from within. Lack of money can however contribute greatly to unhappiness.
"financial freedom" to me is all about having absolute choice. Having money not being an issue when deciding what or when I want to do something, whether that be a selfish something or a selfless something.
Fitz - that average is meaningless because most IBOs did nothing and earned nothing. Throw some zeros in to any "average" calculation and see what happens to the numbers.
Most? I see that you love to nitpick on here, so let's do the same with what you've said.
According to Quixtar, from thisbiznow.com:
Approximately 66% of all IBOs of record were found to be “active”**
Followed by:
**Based on an independent survey during 2001. “Active” means an IBO attempted to make a retail sale, or presented the Independent Business Ownership Plan, or received bonus money, or attended a company or IBO meeting in the year 2000.
I'm pretty sure that if we asked people on here, they'd say that 66% would qualify as "most." Now, in order to qualify to be part of that 66%, you had to do something. Something cannot be nothing.
Therefore, most active IBOs did something, and not nothing.
Insider
"'financial freedom' to me is all about having absolute choice. Having money not being an issue when deciding what or when I want to do something, whether that be a selfish something or a selfless something."
Shouldn't you edit your definition to include "... when I want to do something, whether that be a selfish something or a selfless something, so long as it doesn't interfere with a major function, or replacing half of my group each year"?
Fitz - ok, I reword my statement to be "next to nothing". Happy? That "active" definition is worthless. One situp a year and your "active" in the weightloss program. Yeah, that'll work. :roll:
George - no, it needs no such editing. Write your own if you want something different.
To answer your questions:
1. Dateline does not care where that money comes from. It was for a HOLIDAY DRIVE. It was not a business investment. Quixtar only gave the money in 2006 as an attempt to buy favor with Dateline. Nice scruples Quixtar!
And by that same logic obviously Dateline can be bought, just like they are bought by ratings not facts when they do a hit piece.
2. The money made on books, tapes, and seminars far exceeds the money they make from Quixtar. Consider it a money printing press for the Quixtar leadership.
Again how could BTS money far exceed 1.7 billion?
3. Yes. I do have a plan for my financial freedom. I'm in my 3rd year of my 5 year plan.
But will you share it?
Second question. It is documented that Quixtar payed out over 30% or 1.7 million dollars to their IBO's. If nobody is making money than where did this money go?
The average monthly salary for an active IBO is $115.
At least $115.00 is a positive number, I see many "opertunities" where the average is negitive.
Third question. Since everyone here is so inteligent do any of you have a better plan for achieving financial freedom?
What's financial freedom? What does it mean to you?
Nice reframe, but it doesn't answer the question.
According to Quixtar, from thisbiznow.com:
Approximately 66% of all IBOs of record were found to be “active”**
Followed by:
**Based on an independent survey during 2001. “Active” means an IBO attempted to make a retail sale, or presented the Independent Business Ownership Plan, or received bonus money, or attended a company or IBO meeting in the year 2000.
I'm pretty sure that if we asked people on here, they'd say that 66% would qualify as "most." Now, in order to qualify to be part of that 66%, you had to do something. Something cannot be nothing.
Therefore, most active IBOs did something, and not nothing.
So let me see if I follow this: 66% of all IBO's are still active in the business. I think most colleges have a higher dropout rate than that and the average student makes nothing.
I don't know of any large company (except maybe YAHOO) that can say 66%
of all their employees are still active.(To avoid nitpicking I do know that IBO's are not employees.)
So you are saying that the majority of all people who have gotten involved with Quixtar are still active/doing something and making some money. Obviously nothing is going to be the right thing for everybody but it seems like good odds to me.
Confused,
The tangent and spin game is quite tired.
1. The "hit piece" focused on AMO's - maybe try watching it?
2. 1.7 million or 1.7 billion? Choose one please.
3. Freedom from what? Poor attempt at using an open ended question so you can spin someone's answer to fit your needs.
You're obviously not an IBO Confused, or you'd have better scripts to work with (and copy & paste) if you were.
HTH - Cheers
"You're obviously not an IBO Confused, or you'd have better scripts to work with (and copy & paste) if you were."
Thanks for the help. I am ready to get started.
2. 1.7 million or 1.7 billion? Choose one please.
Oh, yeah. You are right, they paid out 1.7 billion to IBO's. I want to get me some of that.
confusednomore said:
2. 1.7 million or 1.7 billion? Choose one please.
Oh, yeah. You are right, they paid out 1.7 billion to IBO's. I want to get me some of that.
So how much of the 1.7 billion did you get?
He probably got $115 like the other 66%
Here is a plan to get financial freedom.
Die
otherwise, the more money you make, the more you will spend elswhere. You will never really be "free"
How residual is income when you get "free" and then your whole down line quits? Probably not too residual at that point, but if you were a good kingpin, you still have all the money from the tools
This kind of situation totally reminds me of the movie "The Devil Wears Prada." Guys, you may not be interested but you should take your S.O. and win some brownie points. It really is awesome.
You'll see exactly how it fits this topic.
I would just like to add to confused insider comments, because I don't think they spelt it out near clear enough.
...Money is ALL THERE IS BAYbeee!!!
So forget love....forget family...forget personal growth...outside of the bank account that is!
These are the easy steps to complete happiness and a life of TRUE satisfaction.
Forget the friends...the only friends you need is one that sells and buys your XS and has more friends I can teach to do the same!
All that other "stuff" is just BS story time that the liberal schools and losers spout out to try and corrupt the future IBO' members of the world.
So get it straight
Life ain't about people baby...life is about networks! The Quix has left the building.
Ball of Confusion,
Your quote:
"And by that same logic obviously Dateline can be bought, just like they are bought by ratings not facts when they do a hit piece.
You are pulling me into your confused little world like a black hole.
Confused Logic:
1. Quixtar contributed to one of Datelines charities in 2006 in an attempt to buy favor with Dateline so as not to be embarassed (again).
2. Therefore Dateline's previous expose on Quixtar's deceptive business practices is not true.
You would think that Quixtar's hired guns would be a little less confused.
"Again how could BTS (tool and seminar) money far exceed 1.7 billion"
It doesn't for the vast majority of everyday IBO's. That's the issue. It is made by only the top IBO's and kingpins. Think of it as concentrated like LOC.
"But will you share it (your plan for financial freedom)?"
Sure, if you want to contact me directly.
Saddle up everyone. Confused is going to turn up the spin to new levels here.
Confused Logic:
1. Quixtar contributed to one of Datelines charities in 2006 in an attempt to buy favor with Dateline so as not to be embarassed (again).
2. Therefore Dateline's previous expose on Quixtar's deceptive business practices is not true
Not confused logic. You missed the point. If Dateline exposes a company as corrupt and then takes money from that company doesn't that make them just as corrupt? Or is Dateline protected by the 1st amendment?
"Confused Logic:
1. Quixtar contributed to one of Datelines charities in 2006 in an attempt to buy favor with Dateline so as not to be embarassed (again).
2. Therefore Dateline's previous expose on Quixtar's deceptive business practices is not true
Not confused logic. You missed the point. If Dateline exposes a company as corrupt and then takes money from that company doesn't that make them just as corrupt? Or is Dateline protected by the 1st amendment"
Funny, I thought the expose was more about the AQMOs. Did the AQMOs donate to Dateline too?
"Confused Logic:
1. Quixtar contributed to one of Datelines charities in 2006 in an attempt to buy favor with Dateline so as not to be embarassed (again).
2. Therefore Dateline's previous expose on Quixtar's deceptive business practices is not true
Not confused logic. You missed the point. If Dateline exposes a company as corrupt and then takes money from that company doesn't that make them just as corrupt? Or is Dateline protected by the 1st amendment"
Funny, I thought the expose was more about the AQMOs. Did the AQMOs donate to Dateline too?
Confused,
Why would Quixtar contribute to Dateline if it didn't agree with the programming it puts out? Quixtar appears to be confirming the information reported in the Dateline piece is accurate.
Pop-A-Matic pops the dice - pop a six and you go twice!
Release the pigeons and let the spin games begin!
Confused said:
At least $115.00 is a positive number, I see many "opertunities" where the average is negitive.
Ed Says:
$115.00 is a positive number if there was no expenses, but if they are part of an AMO and most are, they will be in the hole. In our AMO a fully plugged in IBO was spending average $200 per month on tools and functions. That excludes fuel and promos.
Confused Says:
Oh, yeah. You are right, they paid out 1.7 billion to IBO's. I want to get me some of that.
Ed Says:
Keep in mind that is 1.7 Billion over 6 years. Thisbiznow says that in Fiscal 05 they paid out $345,000,000.00 to over 370,000 people. That pie doesn't slice up real nicely.
Ultimately, go get em. Business is about risk and some win and others don't. That being said, business is calculated risk, and the calculations by their own numbers don't look that good.
Now IMO, when they tell you you can get to "freedom" levels of income working 5 to 15 hours per week for 2 to 5 years,,, THEY ARE LYING.
I think you all agree that if this was a job assignment, you would not even question it, but would say "Poor so and so, he couldn't make it, he had to work this weekend". I know you guys relate to job mentality well.
For those of you who know people who run businesses, and would like to use the "But I thought you are supposed to have control of your time" excuse, you need to grow up. If there was a major furniture convention that was vital to your business you would have to make the same choice.
In the end, the priority needs to be on YOUR family, your spouse and your children. If you want a better life for them it is up to you and nobody else.
Side note: My upline platinum attended his sisters wedding and missed the first two days of the function, and came immediately after. That's showing a committment to his family and the team.
Mike,
Being a parrot does nothing to increase your PV.
HTH
Mike,
If you need a "major furniture convention" to get excited about selling furniture, then you are in the wrong business. The only reason it would be vital is you would either be selling that furniture to other outlets or buying that furniture from other suppliers.
Do you run a real business or are you just parroting what you heard on a tape or at a function? How about relating to a real business owner mentality - Why not focus on whether or not you are making a profit or at least have a reasonable epectation that you will be making a profit in the near future? Also, is the business you're involved with going to provide a reasonable return on your investment of time and money, and what solid evidence leads you to that conclusion?
How any potential business owner can objectively join a company like Quixtar where 41% of people polled have an "unfavorable" view of the parent company and only 17% have a favorable view of that company is beyond me. The concerns people have about Quixtar didn't just appear out of thin air. There is some basis to those claims of its critics.
Your time and resources are too valuable to waste on an opportunity where the average income is $115- before expenses.
What's amazing is the 17% favorable rating when maybe 1 or 2% actually make a profit in this venture.
Drew,
You're right. He should not miss being the best man in his friends wedding. Its kind of rediculous to expect him to do so.
This is an example of some of the reshaping that the Support Systems should think about.
However, I don't think anyone should waterdown, or be ashamed of sacrifices that they made on their way to their goals.
These types of situations call for just a bit of sensibility. Best Man in a wedding is pretty important. Every single baseball game or birthday party may not be a high priority.
When I am in a position to teach on a large scale, then I will talk openly about what sacrifices I made, and the hard work that I put into my business.
coolbreeze,
Anytime an issue came up about weddings, etc. came up, our upline (WWDB) had the same answer.
"Never miss a function".
My family stood by me during alot of tough times in my life. When my upline suggested to me to alienate the negative relatives and friends, I really got a bad feeling for the biz. When the day is done you have your friends and family. These are the backbone of your whole life . Don't shut them out to MAYBE go diamond.
Posted by: GAE | July 21, 2006 12:26 PM