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June 9, 2006
QBlog's Farcical Help Desk - 52
By QBlog in Farcical Help Desk
Every Friday, the QBlog Farcical Help Desk™ answers the Quixtar questions that nobody dared to ask. Additionally, each Help Desk answer is guaranteed to end with some form of punctuation or we'll refund your money. No fooling!
Question: Are IBOs required to sign the BSMAA before
purchasing or even using the tools?
Answer: Nope.
Q: Great. So why does my upline tell me that I need
to sign it?
A: Because some groups require that you sign it to use their tools.
Q: Oh. Which ones?
A: Ummm. All of them.
Q: Huh? I thought you said I didn't have to sign it
to buy tools?
A: You don't.
Q: So, which Line
of Affiliation will sell me tools?
A: They'll all sell you tools.
Q: Without signing the BSMAA right?
A: Well, no. You have to sign the BSMAA.
Q: But you just said I'm not required to sign it to
buy tools!
A: You're not.
Q: So, WWDB will sell me tools then?
A: Right after you sign the BSMAA.
Q: Argh! This doesn't make any sense at all. If it's
not a requirement then why do I have to sign it?
A: Welcome to Quixtar.
Q: You are not going to believe this.
A: Try me.
Q: I just had a meeting with Orrin Woodward and Chris
Brady at Dunkin' Donuts!
A: Wow. That's pretty cool. What did you guys talk about?
Q: Lots of stuff. We talked for hours. It was great.
And you know the coolest thing about the meeting was that I run this website
that sorta criticizes their Team motivational
business but they still wanted to talk to me and answer my questions. They were
so nice and really willing to help me understand their business.
A: That's really neat man. I'm happy for you. So, what are some of the
things they said? They tell you about the Tool
Contract?
Q: They told me all about it but I can't tell anyone
else. I did the secret handshake oath and I'm not allowed to talk about that.
A: But you can talk about the problems that you were posting about on
your website right?
Q: No. Well, yes. Sorta. I can say that the problems
were NOT normal and Chris and Orrin were very sad and angry about all the bad
stuff that happened when I was in their business but they assured me that crap
like that is rare and they'll be sure it never happens again. Ever.
A: Right.
Q: And OH MAN, there's this other thing that they told
me that really opened my eyes. I now understand why they don't come out and
publicly reveal all the details of their tool business and show exactly how
much money is made from that business.
A: Ok, why don't they?
Q: Geez. I can't tell you that either. Secret handshake
and all. I can tell you it's because they are helpless. Their hands are tied.
They would love nothing more than to let us all see the wizard behind the curtain
but the Men In Black won't let them do it.
A: Men in Black?
Q: Yeah. See, if they told the world all that they told
me then they'd have to blow up the planet. National security stuff you know.
A: So what exactly was the point of this meeting?
Q: I got free coffee and doughnuts.
A: Now I understand.
Q: Who's paying for the Qrush
ads?
A: That's a great question.
Q: So, what's the answer?
A: Can't tell you. But you can try to guess.
Q: Is it Quixtar?
A: Nope.
Q: Is it Qrush?
A: Nope.
Q: Is it someone in Michigan?
A: Getting warm.
Q: Is it someone connected with the IBOAI?
A: *click*
Comments
Heee :D mevi got such a superb spanking :D
Naw...only my wife gets that honor *wink*
Ah HA HA!
Mevi man! You got roasted and toasted and turned into a nutritious breakfast.
All this cloak and dagger stuff! How exciting!
Are you sure that you guys weren't being watched or having your lips read while you were getting all your secret information?
Can't have too many people knowing about the tools profits you know, especially in a post 911 era.
Btw mevi, me getting more and more suspicious of you.
- You didn't allow comment on ur blog for a long time.
- And this mysterious meeting???
Man, you are upto something. Traitor ;)
Its amazing that theres all this garbage online about quixtar....i found it interestng that people are reading all this about the company...they "google" quixtar and thousands of negative pages come up about quixtar... they read this info and they all think its a scam...they never thought about googling their place they work at...If people want true information about quixtar they should check it under the federal trade commission or the better business burough...I dont think barnes & noble, office depot, circuit city would all join in on a scam....anybody who googles quixtar for info about the company is a complete moron....im sure if they google mother tereasa alot of negative is gonna come up....why do people ask there broke friends about quixtar? why get advice from someone whose broke?
Nice tapespeak Evan. Careful dude, you aren't being told everything.
Evan Kokolakis, undoubtedly an Independant Business owner in a controversial business called Quixtar.
Evan Kokolakis, repeater of tapes, repeater of promises, has lost his ability to think for himself. His lack of critical thinking skills has led him not to the promises of riches and a life of luxury, rather, Evan now spends his life in The Twilight Zone.
(Camera zooms in on a bunch of audio cassettes on a table with people chanting the same thing over and over)
Hi Evan,
I just googled Mother Teresa and got 11.7 million hits. Needless to say, I didn't check all of them, just the first 20.
And I found 1 "negative" website out of 20.
I hope you googled Mother Teresa before you posted your comment.
Plus, no matter what you people say, google is a great tool for getting info about practically anything. I am doing engineering research and google has helped me immensely.
Question: what possible reasons could there be for why there are so many negative sites about Quixtar/Amway? Think about it, not in terms of what your upline said but using your own thought processes. You may have to try hard, but I believe you are still capable of thinking for yourself.
Blah blah blah. "Google" any business and you will find negative comments, Quixtar is no different. What many people don't understand in this quick gratification society we live in is that building a network marketing takes time. It is also good to know that it's not all about making money. I have been involved for quite awhile now and am not earning much $$$. However, the personal growth I've seen in myself, and many,many others is priceless. I am going to continue learning through the tools that my upline suggests and if they earn some money in the process, that's great for them. With the costs of cds at $7.00 I don't feel i'm being over charged for the information that is being spoken. Do I like all the speakers I've heard? No, I find some even annoying. Have I finished every book that has been suggested to read? Not even close. I also realize not all teams are the same and that I was lucky to join the one I did!! In end, my over all experience in network marketing has been very favorable and personally fulfilling.
So if that's so great, then what's the problem?
Doug:
"building a network marketing takes time."
Yes, 2-5 years I understand.
The only person that I've ever heard of that even came close to 2 years is Ken Stewart.
"I am going to continue learning through the tools that my upline suggests and if they earn some money in the process, that's great for them"
Was the fact that they make money on the tools shown to you when the business opportunity was presented to you? If not, you were deceived my friend, and no different than anybody else.
Doug, you ain't going diamond dude. Want to be a better person? Go to a self help group, toastmaster's, or church. Costs are minimal in comparison, and the costs are clearly shown. Was this presented to you as a way to be a better person, a way to make new friends, and a way to get advice from (ahem) "successful" people?
There are many more much more affordable ways to become a better person. If that's why you're in this, you are wasting your money.
Doug and Evan, you are basically parroting the same tired dogma we've heard a million times. Since you both seem to be advocates of critical thinking, I would suggest you invest some time in that endeavor yourselves, to wit:
Evan: 'they read this info and they all think its a scam'.
How do you know it ISN'T? the anecdotal info you've been given by your upline, who stand to financially benefit from your loyalty regardless of your profitability, is in direct conflict with the anecdotal information you're reading here, given by people who have nothing to gain from your decision.
Which evidence, logically, would seem to have more weight?
Evan: 'they never thought about googling their place they work at...'.
How do you know that? You do know what assumptions will do to you?
Evan: 'I dont think barnes & noble, office depot, circuit city would all join in on a scam....'
Why wouldn't they? They are not partners in any legal sense of the word with Quixtar - even if Quixtar were ruled an illegal pyramid by the FTC tomorrow, none of those other stores has any legal responsibility for Quixtar's corporate structure, and they made a few bucks while they were along for the ride. No risk, small reward. Again, instead of listening to what your leaders are telling you, ask yourself, WHY WOULDN'T these other companies allow Q to sell their products at retail?
Evan: 'why do people ask there broke friends about quixtar? why get advice from someone whose broke?'
You must have a different set of friends than I do. None of my friends are broke or even close. Who decided what it means to be broke, you, or your 'leaders'? And Doug neatly addressed this question himself in his PRO-Q response..."I have been involved for quite awhile now and am not earning much $$$."
So, your friends with jobs are broke, and doug, who is advocating for and participating in, the business, is broke. Using your logic, you shouldn't be listening to either one, Evan. Yet you chose to agree with Doug, regardless of his financial success. Which blows your "don't listen to broke people" logic train off it's rails.
Doug: 'It is also good to know that it's not all about making money. I have been involved for quite awhile now and am not earning much $$$. However, the personal growth I've seen in myself, and many,many others is priceless.'
No, it isn't good to know that. Business IS ABOUT MAKING MONEY. If your goal is personal growth, that's great, too - but that isn't business. Unless, of course, you're in the business of personal growth. Which you aren't. At least you aren't supposed to be. Of course, your upline IS in the business of personal growth, selling you tapes or CDs, meetings and functions to help you achieve such. But they initally told you they were in a retail business.
Sort of a switcheroo, huh?
Doug: 'I also realize not all teams are the same and that I was lucky to join the one I did!! In end, my over all experience in network marketing has been very favorable and personally fulfilling.'
Does this statement mean, as it seems to imply, that you recognize that there is abuse out there, but you are 'one fo the lucky ones', to have joined a 'good team'? If so, HOW is your 'team' different? What specific abuse do you recognize, and how is it being handled in your group?
And if you joined network marketing to make money, but aren't making money, how do arrive at the conclusion that is has been a 'favorable' experience? That's an emotional response, and not a bad one, but you certainly didn't originally join to become 'personally fulfilled', did you?
And if not, why has perosnal fulfillment become an acceptable alternative to turning a healthy profit?
ok...if this business was really a scam then the us government would have the amway/quixtar business shut down by now...im sure that after the business was around for about 50 years the gov't would've find out that the business was a scam by now. as far as googling mother teresa im sry i apologise for not googling that. but im sure ur smart enough to get my point....DOUG dont quit..just do the 9 core steps each month that is if you're in the BWW organization Give this business one year of doing core each month if it dont work then u proved the business is a scam...and MAKESURE you listen to your SUCCESSFUL upline..if you listen to him, oneday you will have what he has...he only done something what you have not done!!
oh yea...its me again...b4 i get out of this online debate thing for the night...the main reason why people get into the business and they dont see any cashflow is because, they did NOT do enough work to actually see the income...the business works, the people just gotta work it!!!!
You are right Evan. The business does work, for the people selling the motivation. They make a lot of money from that. I'll ask again, was this presented to you, and the 9 core steps included in the plan?
Were you FULLY AWARE of the cost of the system prior to signing up?
You did well by admitting that you had not googled Mother Teresa. Now you should probably qualify for yourself everything your upline has told you.
As long as you do the 9 core steps, you will be called an up and comer, even if you sponsor nobody.
If you quit the 9 core steps, you won't be loved as much anymore.
Evan, I worked my fool head off in this"business". you assume alot saying that the people who didn't get cashflow didn't do the work. You are so flipping brainwashed by motivational material that you can't see anything. I used to be like you, but I woke up from my nightmare.
hey ROCKET!!!!...yea its me its evan kokolakis...i thought ill use my nick name this time...i just finished checking ur profile..and we're in to the same music...AWESOME!!! anyway...to answer ur question ,...NO the 9 steps was NOT included in the plan when my sponsor showed me it...and b4 signing up i WAS aware of the full cost...included function tix, standing order...but wen i signed up i did not have the money for standing order not even for a function ticket...b4 i signed up i was like..'even if this business is a scam, i dont have any money for them to take' so i signed up...
Rocket...u never thought to ask me how im doing w/ the business...and like i said the gov't would of find out by now that the business is a scam....do u really think they're paying my upline EDC close to 6 figures a month just to scam peeps? he's happily married w/ a family do u really think he'll be that stupid to scam thousands of people?
Koko, the government did investigate Amway/Quixtar nearly 30 years ago, and came very close to shutting them down. Fortunately/unfortunately, Amway barely escaped because they put their best foot forward and conceded to some rule changes (ask Deb on the forums for a better, and more complete history). Of course, in that 30 years, AmQuix has done little to enforce rules, and the scam has only gotten bigger.
And why doesn't the government do nothing? Two reasons. One, like I said, they already previously investigated. And two, Amway/Quixtar gives a lot of money to politicians, which afford them some protection. We may not like it, but it's the truth.
As for trying really hard and not succeeding, the numbers just don't pan out. Less then 1 in 14,000 IBO's make it to diamond! Heck, less then 1 in 240 make it to platinum! Even if 2/3 of IBO's don't do enough work to make it, you are still only looking at 1.25% of all IBO's making platinum! Even if you agree that out of 240 people, 160 are lazy, you are still only looking at a "success" rate of 1 in 80! That's pathetic.
DMM: dude...where did u get this facts & stats from? whats the source?...wow quixtar bribes the politicians i did not know that...wow...and even if these numbers r true..it just shows how ibos r really serious about it. wow a 'success rate of 1 of 80'...well that 1 went through A LOT of negative to make it to DIAMOND...so according to that stat the business does work for the ones who make it work
DMM:....i wasnt even ask how im doing w/ the business....LOL
The "success" numbers come directly from Quixtar! By law, they have to give out averages. Just look through your Quixtar material and you should easily be able to find the 1 in 240 stat. If not, Quixtar isn't living up to their 1979 government ruling!
As for the percentage of lazy people, I pulled that one out of the air just to make a point.
As for the 1979 FTC case, Google search it. I suggest also Googling the Canadian Tax case against Amway. Some good stuff. If you can't find it, try mlmsurvivor.com's section on AmQuix.
Last, if you still believe you are going to be the 1 in 80, good luck to you. Just remember, there are 79 other IBO's just like you, who aren't lazy, but still aren't going to make it!
LOLOLOLOL!!!! wow canada is against amquix...this business is big in canada...the successful ibos come from quixtar...LOL ok...i know a 21 year old kid who just went gold soon to b a platinum...started building it at age 18 in his college dorm....another 24 year old just went gold after being in it for 18 months....they were both recognized at the opens...so u saying theyre both scaming people....lol yea right....that 21 year old kid only works 10 hrs a week at his job...and has his own appt...and hes a college drop out....wow no one figured out theyre both scamming people but u!!!...I WASNT EVEN ASKED HOW IM DOING W/ THE BUSINESS!!!!!!
Ok Koko, I'll bite. How are you doing in the business, and do you have the paperwork to back it up? Were you an IBO in 2005? Assuming you are in the USA, how much profit did you claim on your Schedule C, and are you willing (with personal information blacked out) to share your tax returns with us to show us you are not making anything up?
Hey Koko,
Did you bother to ask any of us how we are doing?? Are you afraid of the answers you'll get???
hey DMM how ya doin?...ok hey i cant lie to u about how im doin w/ the business...im not a 20 yr old millionaire...however in the business im breaking even right now including function tickets, standing order, and especially products...everything i need for the household is all free for me...so im saving a good amount of money...i was stuck w/ that income for a few months now...since im prettymuch breaking even...im not really losing anything...and i WILL continue to build my business i WILL NOT quit the business!! and YES i do have the info to back this up to prove to you im not lieing...however for security purposes im not gonna email, fax, nor share you my personal info..im sure you understand that reason..and if u dont believe me its too bad..i dont mean to be rude im sure u understand... schedual C? idk what that is LOL but my accountant took care of all that tax stuff with my quixtar business and yes i was an IBO in 05
BRUCE...not to be rude or anything but i really dont care how you doing w/ income...the reason being is that for all i know you could be a millionaire, you could be making 6 figures, or maybee your'e broke, but you are not successful in the quixtar business...there for i dont want advice from you..im sure ur a nice guy but still...im sure u understand what im saying...just like like Jerry Springer says "Till next time take care of yourself and Eachother"
LOLLOLLOLOLOL..ok DMM: ooh yea u got me...lol yes evrything i said on this blog is all abunch of lies...YEA RIGHT..i dont have a reason to lie!!!!! in 2005 was my business that profitable? i tell you right now the answer is NO!!...but hat was last year 2006 is a new year...my business is beginning to be a lil profitable im not gonna lie...i do check all my business expanses...schedual C? fine i will check it out...im not sure if u know but as far as seeing the money i make from quixtar comes in a form of a check....u want proof?...DMM im just a 20 yr old kid who does NOT like to lose!! however i gotta work on my vocabulary i dont even know what a red herring is...however im still a college student
Koko, from http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/red%20herring, a red herring is, "something that distracts attention from the real issue [from the practice of drawing a red herring across a trail to confuse hunting dogs]"
We are talking about Quixtar, and more specifically, your Quixtar IBOship. How I'm doing is irrelevant, because I'm not the one making any claims. You are.
Now, you admit to being young, which means I have a lot more business experience then you. Generally, in business, if you make a claim of great profit, in order to be believed, you have to show proof. Otherwise, people are likely to think you are a snake oil salesman (do you need help with this one too?)
Generally, for an independant contractor such as yourself, a Schedule C (USA) is the best way to show your profitability, because it is your business tax statement from the previous year. You have admitted that your IBOship lost money last year, which is fine. You are just starting out, and most businesses do not profit right away. However, I have another suggestion for you, to see just how your business is doing in 2006.
Take your 2005 Schedule C and go over your 2006 records to date. Start plugging in the numbers in the appropriate places and take a look at what your 2006 business profits/losses would be if the year ended today. If you wish to wait to the end of June (6 month mark), I understand. Even if you don't share this information, Koko, it would be a great exercise for you to see how profitable or not you are so far this year. And, it would allow you to set goals for how much profit you want to be making by the end of 2006.
There's some free advice for you, Koko. Hope you take it.
DMM: thanx for the advice....i will do just that...ur a pretty smart guy...and i WILL show u proof about how my business is doing,snake oil salesmen..LOL that i get.Independant Contractor?...lol i dont work construction for a living... anyway this shedual c stuff looks like alot of work...just give me a few weeks...and ILL SHOW YOU PROOF!!! thanx again dmm.
Here's why quixtar hasn't been shut down yet:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0412/S00079.htm
wheres the contact info for this site?
Hey Euripides, scroll up, and look at the upper right side of your screen. You should see a link titles "contact", inbetween "about" and "disclaimer."
DMM...thanx i found the contact, however i clicked on it and sent me directly to send a message to this blog, i didnt find no phone #, or not even an email address...huh i could be wrong but i dont think this is a legitamite source for info about the quixtar business
Email Qblog first, and he will give you his phone number if you want to call him. I've been on this blog for years, and can tell you the information seems legit. I would imagine that Eric (Qblog) wouldn't want his address or phone number published because there are potentially hundreds of thousands of IBO's whom, like you, Euripeds, might want to contact him. Therefore, he filters everything through email, which is a lot less invasive.
I've emailed with QBlog before, and others have spoken with him over the phone, and even met him in person. I'm sure you can do the same.
haha... *Mevi claps twice, spins in a circle, knocks his knuckles together, then claps and shakes Qblogs hand*
Posted by: Mevi | June 9, 2006 3:57 PM