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June 7, 2006
In Their Own Words - 5
By Xanadustc in Their Own Words
In today’s clip, John Crowe tells us that:
We never leave each other, folks. You may leave us, but we will never leave you. We will never quit on you. You can quit on us, we will never quit on you.
» Never Quit on You [MP3] from BWW166 “Stay Young at Heart”
The long, long line of shattered dreams tells otherwise. That is all I have to say.
Comments
I understand.
I haven't heard from any of my former managers or bosses. If I have relationships with them, it's because I pursued them and I made them work. Not the other way around.
Same with church. Same with any other group. Same with this biz. No difference.
If they don't keep in touch, it's probably because on top of EVERYTHING ELSE they do in life (like jobs, kids, a house, family activities, other social activities with church & school), they are working this business!!! They don't have time to spend with someone they don't have alot in common with and someone who doesn't share their goals, visions, dreams, work ethic, life ethics, etc.
Rara, what do you say about former "downline" who don't return a phone call or acknowledge a friendly email or card in the mail? I have sent ones that specifically did NOT mention the biz but mentioned other life situations they were experiencing. I was building a relationship. You know....it kinda takes that in order to be friends with people. Anyway, rarely a response.
So, it goes both ways. People are people...period.
How about the e-mail I got saying not to contact my sponsor after being long time friends before ...because now that I was out I was "against" "their business"...no Sally, it is different
Sally, for the first time I agree with practically everything you wrote. As I said in my previous post, under regular circumstances, I wouldn't expect business associates, university acquaintances to call me after I left an organization. Not even most church members. But I would expect my good friends at church to call me.
But they (IBOs) are the ones that always claim everlasting, unconditional love and friendship. So I find it interesting that my call was not returned. Common courtesy. And I would hold a platinum to a higher standard, and since they knew I quit, I'm sure my voicemail didn't skip their mind. And I hope you can admit they should have at least called to find out about my dad's welfare since they supposedly cared for me. Or do you stop caring for someone so automatically?
I don't think people should be obligated to remain friends with their downline. But that's the problem with the biz. Instead of just a simple business relationship that may or may not develop into friendship, IBOs are supposed to become like family and proclaim their love for their upline and downline.
I think the problem in a lot of the AMOs is that people set up high standards and expectations of themselves, and then being human, they fall short. If they had just shut up in the first place, a lot of these discussions would have been averted.
I am not at all hurt (I have pretty thick skin), I just find it curious how I was promptly forgotten. But I have true friends and family, so I don't really care.
I agree with you Rara.
My former boss lives less then a mile from me, and we still talk and get together socially on occasion. I still have a few other friends from my last job, and we email about once a week and get together for dinner about once a month. I certainly don't talk with all my former co-workers, but for a group of us, we were together for quite a while, and became good friends.
At the same time, none of my former co-workers ever confessed their undying friendship, as long as I stay employed at my former position. How many stories have we heard about IBO's professing their everlasting friendship, just to turn their back on someone when they leave the business?
I understand your point, Rara.
As it turns out, no contact from my former connections with Quixtar is exactly as I want it.
In my case, I decided continuing association with them would only hurt my reputation.
In fact, I came within feet of one of them in my daily travels a couple of weeks ago. I didn't speak. Neither did he. That suits me just fine.
Ima
Our upline (a Diamond) cut contact with us when we asked to be taken off standing order due to a job loss and financial difficulty. No follow-up, no questions asked, just silence from him. He even took my H off his Kate distribution list!
Ima,
Neither do I feel any sadness at the "loss." After all, I'm not missing anything since I have a family and friends who love me just because. Plus, while I liked my "business associates," I never got very close to them and I really didn't see myself hanging out with most of them longterm.
Well, that's not entirely true. My family and friendslove me for my charm, intelligence, and uncommon beauty. ;)
Rara,
I agree with you too! I think they shouldn't say "I'll love you forever"...especially if it's a BUSINESS relationship! I think the two-facedness (not a word, I'm sure!)of people who are a part of this business is a sad state of affairs. I don't agree with it nor, do I practice it.
I personally don't FAKE being really good friends with some of our downline. I have become close with a few of our female downline because we had more in common (kids, this biz, age, community, faith). One quit the biz and we talk several times a week. I just don't bring it up. She knows about the opportunity. I certainly don't JUDGE her because she and her hubby are pursuing other things. Another woman is a prosumer & has been too unaccountable to work the biz side. So, I am friends with her and she just orders online. She was too unorganized for call-in and pickup. Not a judgement. Just a fact. I still love her as my friend!
So, I agree with the bad taste of some of the IBO's tactics & statements & actions.
I'm sure you are beautiful and I pray you have a very fulfilling & prosperous life! In every aspect...:-)
Sally
Sally, thanks for the kind words. I am sure if everyone approached this aspect of the biz like you, then there would be one less complaint.
I'm still in touch with my sponsor. Although in the begining he was quite mad about my quitting, then blog. Further upline told him that Quixtar is soon going to sue all of them etc.
But I'm still in touch with them, despite all that. He called after a month of crazy call.
I'll be stay in touch with him no matter what. He did what he thinks is best for me, after all. And helped me a lot. It's the system that's the scam. Not IBOs.
Although we meet once in a year now, when I have to do my taxes. And call maybe 4 times a year. But we'll stay friend because he's a great guy.
Too bad he's in Quixtar :(
My upline, on other hand, is @#$#@$@#$. That's why he's emerald. My sponsor is not.
I'm still in touch with my former employer. They even give me free tickets to game and stuff :D
Never heard from my amquix family once I left the business either.
Business is business. Period.
Right?
I figure that if you want socializing and friends - got to Club Med and church...
Business is business. Period.
Right?
I figure that if you want socializing and friends - got to Club Med and church...
guys whoa...quixtar can provide anyone with the opportunity to be financially free...if it doesnt work for some people, they didnt follow the system in place...everyone ive associated with in the business is fantastic...if i left and we didnt talk anymore i would understand because they are still building the dream that i chose not to build...it takes a lot of work ...but it sure beats working for the rest of your entire life with no freedom
Thats true and I dont think anyone would argue that quixtar and the idea behind the buisness are incredible. But freedom is in the eye of the beholder. I do believe that you can become financially independent through following the system, but at the cost of what. Even though it is illegal, you could become financially independent selling drugs,but at what point is it morally unethical to become financially free. Here's my arguement against the system, not the people or quixtar.
1. They make you believe that our country and the founding fathers were based upon christianity, so we must be in order to keep their fight alive. Read the Treaty of Tripoli, 1797 signed by John Adams. Article 11 You may find that interesting.
2. They use the beliefs of christians against themselves by making them believe that the media and outside sources other than the buisness are controlled by, you guessed it, the Adversary (i.e. satan) I dont know if every LOS is like that but the winters and bww are religious cults, dont believe me? try signing under any of those 2 organizations and tell me what happens sunday morning at a function.
Now understand I am not anti-christian by any means, but to not only use a buisness to convert people to it, control peoples lives, control peoples association, and control their religious and political beliefs. That doesnt sound much like freedom to me.I'd rather work a job my whole life (which I won't, yet they'd make you think their way is the only way) than be told what to believe. By the way, anyone interested in looking further at their beliefs, if you talk to them ask them about crosslining. Thats a fun subject where you're not allowed to talk to anyone who you don't personally work with in depth unless someone is there to oversee the conversation. If thats control then tell me what the hell is!!!!!!! My experience led me to the girl of my dreams that I'm not allowed to date because she's crossline. Tell me how the heck thats freedom. Sorry for being long winded, I just want people to hear the truth about Larry winters/bill britt
Regarding point number one, it is not only the systems that teach America was founded on Christianity, it is many people.
The basic idea was a foundation of theism, which Christianity belongs (as does Judaism and Islam).
There were a lot of things involving theism that are including in Christianity, therefore, many people assume that America was founded on Christianity. For reference, many of the fathers were Christians, but many of them were theists of non-descript followings, and still others were Deists (there are the ones that had to compromise the most).
In any event, they all spoke of God, and wonderful quotes can be pulled out from each, but to what God are they referencing? Many cases it was not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but rather, the God of their own design.
This is the true heart of church and state issue. This country was not to be lead by any specific denomination, but God always, clearly, and should still today (but is not) reign. What God exactly? That would depend on you whether you believe in my God or not. But as for me and my family, we will follow the Lord!
xanadustc-
Thank you........ you are the first person I have talked to that will give me a straight answer on what the truth is. I have been confused since I started the buisness on what the heck to believe, becaus they would make you think that the only way our country was founded was purly christianity. Must be more control. It sounds to me like you and your family follow very strong ethics and are very devoted to your faith, yet don't cram it down peoples throats.lol. I have a lot of respect for that. Thanks for the info, I wish you guys the best
s swiper,
No problem. That is how we are suppoesd to act as Christians. I don't need to alter history to my my faith shine with favor, God does that Himself.
Actually, am alone in faith, the rest of my family are not believers. I am a prime example of God's grace and mercy.
What everyone has said about this business expresses a good arguement.There are a lot of people that have had many bad experences as well as good.I believe that just like every other business,people are not perfect.And because of that things can get distorted.
I think that this business is a wonderful oppurtunity for anybody but before you get started,you should be aware of the rules of Quixtar regardless what this sponser or uplines says.That just makes things simple so there is no confusion.
I have been in the business for awile and I have read every blog,negative website,whether it is was true or false(Mostly false and made up).I have watched every major news report that was totally distorted and i think the should feel ashamed to have even thought about airing that stuff.Once you attend a Function and watch that report most likely you are never going to look at the news the same way ever again.
But sometimes in life in order to view something fairly,you may have to study all the bad and all the good about that something.I have come to the conculsion that were a lot of people who did get cheated some way or another and there are a lot of people who's lives have been transform for the better(Mine include).The majority of the IBOs in the business are good and just want to make a little income to help them have a better life.In life some people are just looking for a chance to do something.
I have experenced times when a downline will quit and never return my phone calls.And I can recount a few times where the upline or sponser does not return phone calls unless it is about business.I remember a few times when a person starts a business only because they have intentions of robbing the sponser or upline.That is why IBOs do not like to disclose the finacail information.But I have equally remember times when the upline or sponser recruited a person just so they can get some extra PV.
Even with all of that said,I still beleive with all my heart and soul that Quixtar/Amway or whatever you would like to call it is still the best oppurtunity that has come in a very long time.You can go from zero to hero if you want to.And if you do not like your sponser or upline what you can do is quit,wait for IBO memebership to expire,and find a new sponser.It is thier lost not yours.There are a lot of great Quixtar orginaztions out there who would love to treat everyone with respect and honesty.I never write on the internet because I feel it is a waste of time.So this is the last and only one I will write.And that is because by reading the past blogs on this website,I have come to realize that this site has some very intellegent people with important things to say that are just.
I believe most of the diamonds have good intentions but just like a camp fire left unchecked,the forest may get burn down by acciedent.So in the end, once you sign the dotted line,you have to know that it is your business.You have to be willing to use some common sense in order to succeed.So if push come to shove,you may have to do things by yourself.That why when you get in follow the rules of Quixtar.
Oh yeah,sorry about the spelling.I did not have time for spell check.:)
None of my upline above my sponsor (also ex-bf) has called me since I quit. When I quit, my silver upline said something to the effect that no matter what, we would still be friends. Now I don't necessarily expect them to call after I quit, but IBOs are the ones that always profess everlasting friendship. (Although in the next breath, they'll basically say quitters are worthless losers.) Even though after I quit, I called my platinum couple and left a voicemail thanking them for all their help, till today they have never returned the call today. And I wanted to personally tell them that I quit because I felt that was the right thing to do.
I did speak to my silver upline male because I called to say hi. After that, I called to tell him not to call anyone on my list. I spoke to him later (I called) and he acted like I had said something else, but I didn't buy it. Then he tried to say that he should be able to call my list since they are adults. I am usually not confrontational (in person :D), but I had to be firm and tell him NOT to call them. And I don't take kindly to attempted manipulation.
Nothing from him since. I did speak to his wife later, but it was because I was trying to do my sponsor a favor and let him get my client PV, but then he gave the phone to her. I was thinking, "My goodness, I just need him to order a facial cleanser and he needs to give the phone to her? Geez." But then, I realized I was like that only a few months ago (although I reordered stuff for clients by myself). Anyway, it was still ridiculous.
Okay, I'm rambling now. Anyway, the last thing(s) I will say is I haven't heard from my upline platinums since (it's been about 3 months). During my last couple of months, my dad had major surgery and it was a strain on the family. He was in the hospital for a long time, and I had to leave campus for a month to help out at home and be with him. Then, presumably because of the stress (although I have other ideas), I myself had a health crisis. Because of my dad, I didn't attend the function.
I really don't care, but I'm saying all this because you would think that they would at least call once in three months to find out how he is doing since they were so supportive much while I was still in the biz. So much for "friendship."
When you are an IBO, you think these people all genuinely care about you, that they are the best group of people in the world (or one of the best groups, depending of your level of brainwashing :D), but to many of them, you are just a downline. But can you really blame them? They have to spend so much time hustling to go diamond that they don't have time for extraneous relationships.
I'm really not hurt by all this. I just find it quite interesting.
Oh well. What is it they say in the biz? "NEXT!" I guess they have to move on. :)
Sorry for the long rambling post!
Posted by: rara | June 8, 2006 3:32 AM