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June 6, 2006
Conversations with the Critics - Rara
By Xanadustc in Miscellaneous
I had a chance to meet with a new critic on the scene: Rara. She was in BWW under Kanti Gala for about a year and a half. From the very beginning she was a little skeptical, but signed up with her sponsor, who was her boyfriend, to support him in the business. I did notice a few similarities within our experience in BWW as well as some differences.
Differences
While we were both in BWW, there was a removal of a few of the teachings between our teams. This is important to note so that we do not clump all experiences into one mold. On the other hand, there seem to be critical abuses in many of the systems, so to play the "My system does it right" card is not necessarily the correct approach either!
One critical difference was the relationship of the crossline in our teams. In my team, crossline friends were normal and even accepted. Some of my best friends in the business have been crossline, and that trend held even for the leaders on the team, including two Emeralds who were friends and crossline with each other. Rara says that on her team you were not permitted to associate with crossline unless your upline was present. To explain: Even in our group, we were not supposed to discuss our businesses with crossline because they were not our counselors. On Rara's team, they did not allow such interaction at all, because they figured that since you both have the business in common it was too easy for the conversation to move to business.
Another difference that I noticed was in how questions were answered. I got the impression that my team was a lot gentler with questions. We would try our best to answer questions that people had. Rara reported that questions were often deflected. This does seem to line up with some of Kumar's reported teachings -- that you don't answer questions directly, but appeal to the questioner's emotions and STP some more because it doesn't really matter.
Products
Rara and I talked in detail about the products. As I have often reported, everything I bought was much more expensive from Quixtar, and the quality was nothing to write home about. Rara did tell me that the jewelry line from the Personal Accents Catalog was very well-priced, especially since it included shipping. The perfumes were also nicely priced. These were the only two products she was comfortable promoting, because she felt they actually were a good deal. Overall, we both agreed that there really are no products that we would consider using now that we are not involved in the business, mostly because the prices are high, the shipping cost adds even more to the price and you have to wait too long for your order. Also, the overall quality of the products is nothing special.
We also talked about Artistry for a bit. I liked the Artistry skin care systems. I switched to Tolsom after that line came out, but I found the quality to be terrible and the price absolutely outrageous, so I switched back to Artistry before quitting the business. Regarding the price of Tolsom, I honestly think it is a test to see how committed people are to buying overpriced products. In a personal test, I found Tolsom shaving gel to be less effective than Edge shaving gel. Where I shop, the price of Edge averages $2.50 for 8 oz while the Tolsom is $9.65 (IBO) or $12.45 (Retail) for 7 oz. Rara thought it was interesting to see how many skin care products the upline could convince the men in her group to buy. She commented on seeing her sponsor's bathroom full of skin care products, even though they're typically targeted at women.
Reasons for leaving
One of the differences between Rara and me is that while I was involved in the business I was not interested in maintaining any part of my old life. But Rara said, "I consciously tried to maintain my individuality while in the 'biz,' but I did wish I was 100% CORE." She also did 7 of the 9 core steps with varying consistency.
It is interesting to note that we both left Quixtar for the same reason: We were spending too much money and earning too little in return. I totally submitted to the system. I was plugged in, doing meetings, driving miles, contacting, listening to several tapes every day, reading many books per month and attending all the meetings I could (even though I was driving 300 + miles every month to attend them). Following the system and buying the products required to maintain my 150-300PV per month was costing around $400-$600 a month. I flat ran out of money. I finally left the system when I could not afford to participate any more due to having a car payment.
Rara, on the other hand, was never as committed to the system as I was. She never bought any books, only borrowed them. She was on Standing Order Tape for a period of time and even bought extra tapes. She tried to listen to a tape every day, but found it difficult because she really did not like them.
She got to the point where she did not have enough money for herself, and she refused to go further in debt for Quixtar. At this point, Rara was going to slow down on buying and focus on finishing school. Then she would pick up the business again when she had a better job with more disposable income. This is when she found out about the tool profits. She says, "When I confronted my upline about the tool profits, I think my upline's response was more like, 'Well, we didn't tell you because you didn't ask,' making this somehow my fault." This was her final convincer that Quixtar is not the greatest opportunity in the world.
Comments
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Imran,
You are something else! LOL!!!
you are all crazy. Get a life. If you knew how to run the business you yourself could have made lots of money
How long you been in sabrina? How much money are you making? How much money is everyone in your group making? How many sales are you making? How do you know I don't know how to run a business?
xanadustc - are you implying nobody makes any money in quixtar and the average incomes published on thisbiznow.com are lies?
Are you implying the thousands of new platinums and dozens of new diamonds over the last few years are all fakes?
All of them started as new IBOs, just like you. Some new IBOs learn, work hard, and go diamond. Some new IBOs don't learn, find it all too much like work, and get on the 'net and whinge.
Which are you xanadustc?
And please, do tell us of your experience and great success in running a business.
And where does those diamonds and platinums money came from, you ninny? From the losses of ppl underneath them.
thisbiznow conviniently ignore the losses, else I made upto $500 at months. My losses were well above 1k.
It is a negative pyramid. And that's simple math. Unless bottom most ppl make money, pyramid is negative.
Good one Imran.
Touche on insider eh?
And where does those diamonds and platinums money came from, you ninny? From the losses of ppl underneath them.
It comes from the money that would normally have been spent somewhere else, you ninny.
Unless of course you do what Rara and you admit to - breaking the rules and buying stuff you wouldn't normally need just to make PV.
You of course found out that that isn't a sensible way to build a business, and thus, predictably, your Quixtar business lost money and failed.
But whose fault was that, Imran? Did someone kidnap your goat and threaten to kill it if you didn't break the rules?
Redirection is a myth.
http://quixtarsucks.blogspot.com/2006/06/redirect-your-buying-power.html
In your LOS every one is merely redirecting and getting PV? Not in mine, and crossline. We had tapes like "winners make you stretch" e.g. do more and more PV and how Kumar bought a lipstick even when he was single to complete his personal PV. It's in the tape. Xana would know the tape name.
And know, if I was not in Quixtar, I would not have spent that much money in soso quality and overly expensive filters, vitamins and utterly stupid "tools".
So tell me, what is the sensible way to build the business? Other than having 80% of your downline going in negative?
Retail?
Yeah. Try that in North America.
Insider,
Please list the dozens of new Diamonds in Quixtar.
Thanks.
An Actual IBO: The last couple of years at least have been given on the forums a few times.
Imran: If Kumar bought the lipstick just to make PV, then he broke the rules. But perhaps he sold the lipstick or used it as demo stock? That can be a sensible business decision and not what I'm talking about. My upline's profit comes because I order pasta on the 'net from A/Q instead of from the supermarket. My upline's profit comes because my customers buy nutritional supplements off me instead of from some health store. My upline's profit comes because I sell stuff to my downline who do these things too.
If you're just buying stuff you don't need and don't want and trying to convince others to do the same, then you are breaking Quixtars rules and most likely running an illegal marketing scheme. Quixtar's rules are there to prevent this kind of thing. If you break them, don't blame Quixtar.
An Actual IBO -
New Diamonds since we've owned our own biz via Quixtar (this is from memory as I'm too tired to go get the Acheive magazines & recite them to you) - there are literally, over a hundred (if not two) in Korea, in the US - O'Reilly, Grosboll, Kumar, 3 I watched cross stage from BWW (can't remember their names), John Crowe's daughter & son-in-law, Theron Nelson's daughter & son-in-law, Gonsers, Eatons, and on and on and on.
Many many new Emeralds, countless new Ruby's & Platinums. Not to mention the multitude of Diamonds who moved up to EDC, Double, Triple & Crown because those below them prospered.
Good one insider. So if Kumar does it, that's right. you do it, that's right. I do it, I'm breaking the rules :)
Many former IBOs just stop buying Quixtar products when they're out. What does that mean? They were buying stuff they didn't need so they were breaking rules? Of course they were. Any one who quits was doing it wrong. And now they hate freedom.
;)
Sally, it is not possible for someone to go crown or EDC because everyone belo them prospered. Even if there's new pins, those pins have downline who make little or nothing, or LOSE if they are CORE.
Insider & Sally,
I hung a breaking ball right over the middle of the plate so it should have been an easy home run.
Instead, you both strike out looking.
Sad. But I expected as little.
Your still a rumor in your own time, "Insider".
- "Many many new Emeralds, countless new Ruby's & Platinums. Not to mention the multitude of Diamonds who moved up to EDC, Double, Triple & Crown because those below them prospered." -
LOL!! Great one-dimensional thinking! I forget everyone has perfectly symmetrical businesses.
How many more "Diamond Talking Points" stock answers can we get today???
Release the crickets!!!
It's pretty obvious if your around the buisness that it "seems" to work, but then again, if it worked soooo well, why is it that we are never allowed to talk to anyone especially crossline about the buisness? Or are never allowed to speak up if there is something contriversial said? Or whats really fun to wonder is what about having to have a common upline present when you are having a conversation with crossline? If this buisness were truly based upon freedom, then we shouldnt have to be so restricted should we? I think the main point of frustration stems from upline thinking they have to solve everybodies problems. They tend to step in on EVERY situation, even family,friends, religion and politics. True freedom is having an opinion of your own and being able to say it out loud. Not having some person sign you up for what you thought was a buisness and ends up controling your life.
She's fat, isn't she?
Posted by: Imran | June 7, 2006 7:20 AM