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May 30, 2006
Did you Fail or Quit?
By Drew in A/QMOs
Why does it seem that every time an active "plugged-in" IBO talks about someone leaving the business they're referred to as failures? Think back on your time in Quixtar, when you finally decided you were through. Did you stop Quixtar because you just couldn't do it anymore? Did you stop because your business went under? Or did you stop building the business because of another reason?
Some say to fail and quit are the same thing. I think that is only true in the minds of Quixtar IBOs who are involved in the system. Let's look at the definitions:
Fail
1 a : to lose strength : WEAKEN (her health was failing) b : to fade or die away (until our family line fails) c : to stop functioning (the patient's heart failed)
2 a : to fall short (failed in his duty>) b : to be or become absent or inadequate (the water supply failed) c : to be unsuccessful (as in passing an examination) d : to become bankrupt or insolvent
transitive senses
1 a : to disappoint the expectations or trust of (her friends failed her) b : to miss performing an expected service or function for (his wit failed him)
2 : to be deficient in : LACK (never failed an invincible courage -- Douglas MacArthur)
3 : to leave undone : NEGLECT (fail to lock the door) 4 a : to be unsuccessful in passing (as a test) b : to grade (as a student) as not passing
Quit
1 : to make full payment of : PAY UP (quit a debt)
2 : to set free : RELIEVE, RELEASE (quit oneself of fear)
3 : CONDUCT, ACQUIT (the youths quit themselves like men)
4 a : to depart from or out of b : to leave the company of c : GIVE UP 1, 2 (quit a job - quit smoking)
intransitive senses
For those of you who are former distributors which definition describes you better? For the rest which definition do you think best describes former IBOs who stopped building their business?
Comments
I guess if you would ask my upline, they would tell you that my "dream" wasn't big enough so I failed. I didn't fail this business. I quit after I woke up and realized what I was asking people do do would hurt them financially and emotionally. so I suppose whether I "failed" or "quit" depends on who you ask. If you ask me , I regained my freedom after I CHOSE to get out of the business.
We definitely QUIT. We relieved ourselves of the typical $12,000 that we spent on the motivational materials/seminars yearly and released ourselves from the daily contacting/STP/driving out of town to cold contact/staying out until 2AM to go to the meeting after the meeting after the meeting....
I too have to face down the adversity of failure. I have only begun to fight is what I say.
I quit. It was a fantastic decision. I can now get on with my life and make my living doing something I actually like that contributes to society. Yipee!!!!
I like to think I made a wise business decision.
Quit, but if you want to talk failure, BWW failed me (transitive sense 1 a)
Imran, Isn't renting movies instead of going to do STPs great ? It like 100% against everything we were taught from our former uplines. It's like rebelling against a teacher back in the day.
Why is it every time critics talk about Quixtar they talk as if their experiences was the only possible experience? In 7 years in my LOS I have never once, not once, heard someone who chose not to pursue being an IBO as a failure. Thus Drew, your first sentence is false. Surprise me and retract it.
Insider, this is Drew's first statement:
Why does it seem that every time an active "plugged-in" IBO talks about someone leaving the business they're referred to as failures?
What is false about it? You've read pro-system IBOs' comments about us broke losers on this blog and on the forum. (Some say it in a more sophisticated way than others.)
If you never heard it in your part of the planet, fine. (I'm sure other IBOs from your neck of the woods would beg to differ. We've gotten comments from some of them.) We are talking about Quixtar here and all you have to do is look through past comments on this and other sites, e.g., visitor feedback on amquix.info, to see that Drew's statments are accurate. And remember, Drew started with, "Why does it seem..."
I dare you to go through the comments on this site from ex-IBOs and current IBOs and see whether you don't notice similarities in the vast majority of experiences.
Whether you think "quitters" are losers or not is not the issue. We are talking about a trend here.
You're too smart not to realize that.
By the way, my own sponsor, who was once my boyfriend, questioned my character and claimed I was hiding my head in the sand and that I was just looking for an excuse to quit. This after refusing to look at the websites I sent him. He just deleted to email, but not before forwarding it to his precious upline, who is even more rabidly "fired up" than he is. Needless to say, I was shocked to hear this from someone who loved and respected me once.
My ex would never outright call anyone a loser. He's too polite for that. And he's a genuinely nice guy who has been taken advantage of by the system. But what he said implied that I was the failure, because that is what he has been indoctrinated to believe. When I told the upline he sent the email to that I was taking a break to complete my PhD (this was before I discovered the tool scam), he had the guts to call me a coward. I think "chicken" was the exact term he used.
I am sure my experience is not an isolated incident, especially since I heard non-IBOs being called losers on stage and on CDs. So insider, if you are trying to say these are just isolated incindents, I don't buy that. I wasn't born yesterday, neither was I born last week.
Obviously, to MANY IBOs out there, there is never a good reason to quit, and the fault always lies with the IBO.
Another good question to ask would be whether the system and upline quit or failed on their downline, and whether the system failed in producing what they promote.
Insider,
I expect an immediate retraction to your statement that every critic thinks their experience is the only possible experience - unless you can show where that has been specifically stated.
Since when is your limited personal experience invalidate others' personal eperiences?
It doesn't. Save the loaded questioning for poorly run politcial campaigning.
Insider,
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
Thanks, needed a good laugh. Way to get the point of the message Sherlock.
I think rara, and An Actual IBO summed up my response pretty well so no need to repeat that. But, I have made myself very clear on many different occassions that if you are not an IBO who is selling "the system" the great vast majority of my comments and criticism don't apply to you.
I find it interesting though that you had no comments for those LOS that clearly do refer to former IBOs as failures.
JoeCool asks a good question and as X pointed out in the transitive sense of the definition it does appear "the system" failed the IBOs.
Here's someting I've noticed regarding this whole failure aspect, being as my wife and her mother are in it...technically, they fail every month, they don't make any money, spend way more...but they get constant support...even though they really never progress...and you could argue their dreams are currently not big enough. If they were to finally quit the business they'd instantly become failures in the eyes of their former team. You could argue that, because they are still in the "biz" they're "trying" (even though they're not moving forward) I just find it funny that failure is determined by the point you disassociate with "the biz" If a coach were to have a consistantly losing record month after month...do the fans and ownership still try and keep him motviated, and fired up? No, they call him a failure, and URGE him strongly to find work elsewhere.
I distinctly remember in some of our group meetings, our Direct would tell us that we're all "broke", including himself, but it was ok because we are working to rectify the situation as opposed to the "Losers" who did not.
You know that the Kingpins got filthy rich by reading the comments here and knowing that millions of people have went thru the same things since 1959! It is plain to see it wasn't from the profit of A/Q products!
We had to sell our house to settle the debts we accumulated. Quixtar had big part in collecting that debt.
In moving, we weren't plugged in for a week. That was enough to free our mind from the control of the cult. Also, selling house was a shock we needed to realize.
Anyways, favourite memories after quitting:
- Renting 3 movies on weekend
- Not returning upline calls (he was trying to sucker me in, told me to go to some rally on saturday and meet him on Sunday. Yeah, right! Was on phone while I was at work for 3 HOURS!!!!!! I had to promise else he won't let me go. Should have slammed the phone.)
- Tasting Heinz Ketchup again!!!
Posted by: Imran | May 31, 2006 6:06 AM