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April 14, 2006
Quixtar Backbone Project - Entry Four
By QBlog in Backbone Project
About This Project
The main goal of this project is to initiate a dialogue with regular,
hardworking IBOs by reaching out to what I refer to as the "Quixtar Backbone"
(project details). If you'd like to participate send an email
to quixtar@webraw.com
(and put "Quixtar Backbone" as the subject).
Entry Number Four
Name: Kirk Wettschreck
Line of Sponsorship: Part of the Winters Marketing/LTD system,
formerly part of the Brit World Wide system
Current qualifying pin level: Qualified 1000, Believers pin
last September 2005
How long you’ve been in Quixtar/Amway contiguously: 13.5
months
Professional or educational background: Graduated 2001 with
a B.S. degree in Computer Science, currently working for a computer network
technology company in customer support and services.
Additional comments: I'm not going to sit here and try and
convince all of you nay sayers that this is the best business opportunity in
the world. If you've already made up your mind that it doesn't work, then you're
right, it will never work for YOU.
But I will say, that in my 31 years here on this 3rd rock from the sun, it's
the best business opportunity (definitely a good chance for advancement or progress),
not a business guarentee, I've seen, and I've seen a few. If you don't like
it, or don't get it or quit for what ever reason, that's your personal choice
which is great, god bless you in what ever you choose to do, as for me I look
forward to some extreme freedom.
You have to remember, this is a short cut (not THE only, but one) to retirement
from corporate America, at least for me. Short cuts aren't supposed to be easy.
If it were easy, it wouldn't be a shortcut, it'd just be the WAY. In any case,
Quixtar isn't responsible for where I am in my business, I am responsible for
where I am in my business. I'm only 600-1000pv because I have not yet put forth,
what I consider my best effort. In short I haven't FAILED enough yet.
The Five Questions
- If your friend owned a business that showed a net loss for ten straight
years what would you advise him to do?
I wouldn't advise him to do anything unless he first ASKED for my advice. And if he were asking for my advice, I would imagine that there would be some specific questions he'd be asking in relation to his business he wanted my advice on. Based on this question, I can't tell what kind of advice he'd be asking from me. I will say though that if I had a friend who had a business in operation for 10 years, I'd be pretty impressed. If it's still around after 10 years, he obviously has a serious backbone and an idea or product that people want or need. Perhaps like an airline or something.
- What's the first thing you would do if you were Quixtar's new managing
director?
Thank God that I was trusted with helping run such a huge and profitable corporation.
- You're stranded on a deserted island, what's one thing you'd want
to have with you?
My wife. She's as smart, if not smarter then I am, so I figure if we put our heads together, we could find a way to get off the island, otherwise grow old on the island together. Either way we win.
- Who do you most admire?
My lord and savior Jesus Christ.
- At what age do you plan to retire?
From Corporate America? By the time I'm 34.
Comments
Regarding Question 1, if your business indeed has a net LOSS after 10 years, you certainly do NOT have a product that people want, you have a hobby.
Is there a way to track people and see where they are 2-5 years from now? That I would like to see. Let's revisit this guy when he's 34.
Does that make Amazon a hobby for Jeff Bezos? Amazon has only reported two quarters of net profit, including charges and one-time items, in its history. Mind you Amazon still has less than two years to finish a year with a profit... and it seems to me that Amazon has a product people want with approximately 8,490 million in 2005 sales.
somewhere in between> "Does that make Amazon a hobby for Jeff Bezos? Amazon has only reported two quarters of net profit, including charges and one-time items, in its history. Mind you Amazon still has less than two years to finish a year with a profit... and it seems to me that Amazon has a product people want with approximately 8,490 million in 2005 sales."
quiksilver723> Huh? Amazon posted it's first quarterly profit in 2002: http://news.com.com/2100-1017-819688.html then it first ANNUAL profit in 2004: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/158315_amazon28.html . or there's also this Wikipedai link too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon.com not sure where you got your info from.
My point was that the average Q IBO does not have many more customers than mom and dad, some don't even have that. If they are in an MO, they are taking money out of their regualr employment to fund useless tapes, books, and seminars for the illusion that they own a 'business'. To contrast that, Amazon has a large customer base, makes many sales daily. Besides that, it took them a while, but they did indeed post profits in 2002.
Look at the activities of your average MO IBO and they are drawing circles, listening to tapes, and making a fool out of themselves in stores and gas stations. Occasionally, they might sell a can of XS or a box of SA8. If they have a few good retail accounts, that is good, too, but that is extremely rare.
Look at the activities of Amazon.com and they are moving products, posting ads, selling stocks, and over-all, looking like a business.
Look at it this way: If you were a space alien watching the planet from afar and you were watching these activies going on and had a little knowledge of business from your home planet, which would you guess is operating a business?
To compare a Quixtar IBO to Jeff from Amazon is like comparing apples to elephants.
X> Regarding Question 1, if your business indeed has a net LOSS after 10 years, you certainly do NOT have a product that people want, you have a hobby.
K> First thing I want to clarify is that the point of my answer was that I would NOT give my friend advice unless he asked me for it. Even if he did have a net LOSS after 10 years, my point was it's HIS business, not mine. One of the first rules of business I read(from a book before I joined Q*) was to mind your own business. And to be fair, the question never said how much of a net LOSS his business had. Was it a net LOSS of $10 or $10,000,000? Call me crazy, but I think if it were the latter, he wouldn't be in business for 10 years, seeing as the average small business rarely lasts more than 4 years. ( http://app1.sba.gov/faqs/faqindex.cfm?areaID=24 -- Two-thirds of new employer establishments survive at least two years, and 44 percent survive at least four years, according to a new study.) I find it interesting though that when a person sees the word LOSS, they might assume it's some mind blowing, incredibley bad number.
xanadustc, I don't know you or anything about you really, but if I may redirect a question to you, Do you now or have you ever owned your own small business for more than 5 years?
Shawn> Let's revisit this guy when he's 34.
K> This guy has a name, and it's Kirk, pleasure to meet you Shawn. And I'd be happy to update this post periodically with any news or new pin levels I achieve. I'll even be willing to pass along my personal email address to QBLog, and if he wants to check back with me after September 15, 2008(when I turn 34), I'd be happy to update him on my progress.
"Success is not a destination, it's a journey, it's the direction in which you are traveling."
Actually, shortcuts ARE supposed to be easy.
If I need tech. support, I might call this guy; but if I want business advice, I'll go with someone who has business experience.
I'd love to hear from this guy 3yrs from now.
Quixtar / Amway same scam. Money is generated from the sale of books, tapes and functions.
I know. I was gave enough a few years ago. Why would you need so much motivation for a money making system? Answer..because you don't make any money. You Emeralds and Diamonds make money off functions, books and tapes. Directs make a little.
So run while you can!
Fu> but if I want business advice, I'll go with someone who has business experience.
k>Thank you, you've proven my point exactly. That's why I choose to listen to my mentors in the Q* business, who have built a successful Q* business, and not people on the internet who "tried it" and quit.
By the way, you don't have to wait 3 years, I'll talk to you now.
Jeff>Quixtar / Amway same scam. Money is generated from the sale of books, tapes and functions.
k>Did you get a different set of fine print then I did when I got my IBO number?
Mine said that I'd be paid based on how much volume is genereated during the month by moving products and services from Q*. And any business support materials are optinal. I don't remember reading anywhere in there that the money is generated fom books, tapes and CDs.
It is my understanding though that if you choose to plug into a mentorship system, and after you go Emerald, Diamond and beyond the system will compensate you for producing motivational/instructional tapes. Jeff, if you spoke at a function with 18,000 people in attendence, and cut a CD that was distributed to 1000's more, who weren't there to hear it, don't you think you'd deserve to get paid for sharing your knowledge of the business? By the way you have the same opportunity to make money through the system as well, just go emerald and diamond. There's plenty of other millionairs in the world that write books and/or make Cd's and get paid (Anthoney Robins, John Maxwell, Zig Ziggler, Robert Kyosaki, Donald Trump, Bill Gates, etc...).
And it's not like the diamonds write the books they sell. 99% of the books are books that teach success principles/people skills, and have been around longer then quixtar and available in any book store.
The Functions by the way are awesome.
For me a weekend function costs about $360 and that includes $100 ticket(2 days and 2 nights), bus fare, hotel(2 nights) and food. Which is far cheaper then say a motivational seminar from Anthony Robins in Atlanta(http://www.anthonyrobbinsdc.com/html/live_seminars/live_seminars_lower.htm?seminar=12652 where the cheapest ticket to get in the door alone is $895.
You seem like a pretty sharp guy Jeff, and while I appreciate your concern,opinion and advice that I should run while I can and I'm sure you meant well, I didn't really ask for it.
In any case, griping about a couple 3-5 $8 Cds/month, and what max $20/month book that are recommended to sharpen your mind and help with some people skills seems to be one of the more common excuses for people quiting posted on these boards I've noticed.
Can anyone give me an example of a legal business ,with as much potential income and as little overhead as a business powered by Q*, that doesn't require some investment into the business or tools of some kind to make it grow?
X> Look at the activities of Amazon.com and they are moving products, posting ads, selling stocks, and over-all, looking like a business.
K>So are you saying that every business has to post adds, and sell stocks to be a business?
How many TV, newspaper, radio adds have you seen/heard for a Saleen S7 automobile? or any Saleen automobile for that matter? If you've seen Bruce almighty you've seen an S7. And it looks like the only stock Saleen, inc. sells is stock cars and they've been around since 1984. My point is, different business models look different, you're right you can't compare a Q* IBO, to Amazon.com, but you can compare Q*.com to Amazon.com(kind of, I mean Q* has been a heck of a lot more profitable for the past 6 years.) By the way, both have affiliate(IBO like) programs which you could compare.
Whatever happened to the OTHER 3 people before this guy? Are they still in? Making money yet? Still padddlin the canoe and drinking kool-ade?
MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS
people take the statement 'Mind your own Business' out of context. What the author SAID was, to take whatever your expertise, skills or knowledge are on your present job, and find a way to provide those services YOURSELF, instead of thru your employer (for just an hourly wage).
Besides, who would WANT to move soap, shampoo, and cleaning products direct to consumers? The AVERAGE expenditures for those items are LESS than $70.00 per month, and THAT INCLUDES personal SERVICES!
How much money is there in THAT? (oh... I get it, you like the PYRAMID possibilities?)
Hey Willy,
Not sure the last time you checked into the Quixtar business, but good news, they sell more than soap and shampoo. Although I do buy the soap and shampoo, I buy plenty of other stuff to live my life. They have a whole line of sport nutrition and health and wellness products. We've got the number 2 energy drink right behind red blah. Also just recently the company released a new grean tea/peach green tea product, which gives you 1PV:$1.25. So every month it's getting easier to generate volume in my business with the incredible edibles avaialable today.
The money is there, if you're willing to work for it. Ah yes, the PYRAMID losers limp. I saw them draw out the little tree structure, so it must be a pyramid. Well it's not. It really depends on how you define a PYRAMID. What you're probably referring to is a PYRAMID scheme that by definition meets the following criteria.
A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually without any product or service being delivered.
So in a pyramid marketing scheme typically
1.) The man at the top gets all the money.
2.) It generally only involves cash, no products and people are paid to recruit.
3.) It's illeagal
Well let me tell ya...
1.) In quixtar, it is possible for me to out earn my sponser, my upline platinum,emerald and Diamond if I work harder. In fact, I have done this already to a degree, when I went 1000, and since I was my sponsers only leg at the time, I got paid more then he did. And it's important to note, that when you become a Platinum producer, the corporation recognizes you as your own business unit, where you're at the top of your own business unit. It also produces a residual income.
2.) I don't get paid to recruit people, I get paid to move volume. We have over 600 partner stores, and many exclusive products and services. Q* moved billions of dollars in products and services last year through it's IBOs, and they're doing the same this year. There is also a member client rule. To get paid, I have to have sold products and services to members/clients every month.
3.) This Q* business model, has been approved by the FTC and BBB, and I don't think that 600+ affiliate corporate legal departments nor the legal departments of Microsoft, IBM, Fry Multimedia, Compaq, etc who help put the Q* site together would have let something illegal slip through the system for 6 years. Do you?
Don't you think if it were an Illegal PYRAMID marketing scheme, some one, some where in the world in the past 6 years would have blown the whistle by now and Q* would be out of business and millions of IBOs would be in jail? If Quixtar is an illegal PYRAMID scheme, then so is SUBWAY. Quixtar uses a similar franchising concept they do. If I owned a subway, and was successful, I could franchise a subway restraunt to my friends, or anyone else I met who was looking to start a subway franchise. Check out the subway website for more info on becoming a franchise developer.
But if you're basing your whole PYRAMID argument, on the fact that the person at the "top" get's all the money(Which I've established isn't true in Q*), then by that definition, my corporate day job is more of a PYRAMID then my Quixtar business. My boss makes more then I do, and her boss makes more then her, and the CEO(sitting at the top.) makes more then all of us, and I'll never be able to out earn the CEO in my corporate job.
So to answer your question, yeah I can't WAIT to be on top of my "PYRAMID". And I really can't wait until my downline are sitting on top of their OWN "PYRAMID".
You should be Excited to get started in this business.
But if you still need to look at this as an illegal PYRAMID scheme, so you can feel comfortable in your own little happy corporate world, where you're working for someone else's dream and not your own, then god bless ya friend.
But if you want to see some real PYRAMIDS, I hear Egypt is nice,although a bit hot, this time of year.
Greetings Kirk,
To answer your question, No, I have not owned my own business for 5 years or more. Does that disqualify me from having extremely detailed knowledge of the Quixtar Sales and Marketing plan?
Also, No, a business does not have to post ads or sell stock to be a business, the context of my post was that Amazon engages in things that an outsider would call a business. Set Quixtar aside, because that is exaclty what it is. I am talking about the IBO's in Quixtar. On the average, from the exterior, do they look like they are running a business? I say the answer is No because there is very little moving of product except to themselves and their downline.
Now, with the tools, I agree with you that if a person cuts a tape or appears at a function, they should get compansted. That is NOT the point that we are making. The point is that for me, who has never run a business and was teachable, I LISTENED to my upline, who endorsed the tools as "optional, but required to succeed". Now, if I bought $50-100 of tools that taught me the plan, taught me how to sell products, and taught me business strategies, I would not have any complaint. Now, I have around 375 tapes. 87.5% of them are NOTHING BUT MOTIVATION!! That is the "optional but required" tool system.
Here is the thing: If I do what me mentors tell me, I spend tools and go broke, but if I leave the business and claim that I went broke buying tools, I should have recognized they were optional. Then, if I said they were optional and it didn't work, you would say I am simply not teachable.
Any questions?
X
Hey X,
No that doesn't disqualify you from knowing the quixtar business plan, but the first question didn't say anything about Q* business, it said a business for 10 years, so in that case, I'm not sure how much weight i'd give your opinion if I were the one in a net loss business for 10 years.
anywho.
To answer your second question, I'd say it depends on the IBO. I would like to think that as an IBO, people would think of my business as a business that is being run. I generate volume(personal, downline and M/C), so I'm getting a check every month, and I engage in business activities tp promote my business by meeting prospects, making phone calls, driving to meetings, showing the plan on a regular basis, etc. On the other hand I do have downline that signed up, pluged in for a little while, started seeing some success, then had some life events come up and has basically just stopped attending everything or doing anything for the moment, including ordering product, buying cds and reading and meeting new contacts, and showing the plan. In that case, I would agree with you that he does not have a business right now, because he is not engaging in business activites. If you treat it like a business and actively and consistently take action to build it, then you have a business, if you poke at it every so often, buy/sell some products here and there, and just come around meetings to be around people socially then I'd say you have an expensive hobby. In short, the business is what you make it.
I do agree with you that there are many more motivational vs. teaching Cds, but even if it's just a rally story or something there is usually something you can learn from it. I will say that the system I'm apart of now, LTD(Leadership Team Development) formerly part of the Brit World Wide, has recently done something that you've just described in that they released 4 CD's a couple months back that focused on the steps of "showing the plan", the philosophy behind showing it the way we show it, how to follow up and get a person started and a conceptual CD for a new person. As a result we have seen some awesome growth over the past 3 months.
On the other hand, the books I've read that were recommended are universal in nature and can be applied to anything inside and outside my Quixtar business. Books like Magic of Thinking Big, Think and Grow rich, See you at the Top, Master Key to riches, How to Win friends and influence people, What to say when you talk to yourself, How I Raised Myself from Failure to Success in Selling,Bringing Out the Best in People,Personality Plus, etc...are not quixtar centric, but teach people skills and success principles that help me with my business and outside of my business. And I never used to be a reader before I started my business.
I'm sorry to hear the system you were part of didn't work for you.
One other thing to keep in mind(for people just stopping in, looking for info), is that there are many different teaching systems out there and available to support you in building your quixtar business. Many are similar in that they promote books, CDs and Functions, but they aren't all equal. I'm not saying any one is better then the other, I'm just saying that they are different. What system were you a part of?
How much of what they taught were you able to or did you apply in your own business?
kirk>Thank you, you've proven my point exactly. That's why I choose to listen to my mentors in the Q* business, who have built a successful Q* business, and not people on the internet who "tried it" and quit.
Joe> Not really, many "mentors such as bill britt or greg duncan did not build a successful Q* business. They built an Amway business and got grandfathered into quixtar. In fact all the diamonds did that except the 1-2 couples who signed up and went diamond after the inception of quixtar.
Ahh, it seems a consensus is starting among the critics that Quixtar is now [i]not[/i] the same as Amway.
How convenient.
Insider> Ahh, it seems a consensus is starting among the critics that Quixtar is now [i]not[/i] the same as Amway.
Joe> Oh no, quixtar is amway. The same products, the same kngpins, the same old
same old.
What's a bit different is that the kingpins now include tools as an income source, although no one has a compensation plan.
What's not new is that most IBO's end up quitting and losing money, and probably over 95% of IBO's who are core, are losing money.
Kirk,
I was BWW, in fact, I was very close (but not on) the Winters team. I was present in the room at the rally where Steve & Laurie Frat went Emerald. I have been to Markiewicz eagle team meetings. The system I am talking about is the very same one you are saying I don't know much about (By implication since you single out MY team). Understand that this is very common. You may acknowledge that there are problems, but it is never YOUR team. Wake up and smell the coffee, you might start to see how bad this system pollutes you.
Some of the original "How To" tapes were cut by the Winters team since they more or less streamlined the BWW/LTD system into what they are. In so doing, they set up the system to create a dependancy in the system, which is not even important. As for your books, most of them have serious objections to them, I wouldn't take much of what they say with a grain of salt. I have almost completed the analysis of Magic of Thinking Big, the first 11 or so chapters is on my website, get to it by clicking my username, go to the site index on the right, and down to series, you will see it. My opinions are noted there, you can debate it over there if you wish.
Here is a comment on the bottom of your statement on the original post:
"I'm only 600-1000pv because I have not yet put forth, what I consider my best effort. In short I haven't FAILED enough yet."
It is sad when you feel that way. This is the system talking, not you. I myself as well as many of the critics here HAVE put their best forward and it still yields a firm grip on an empty sack.
Good luck.
X
X,
Don't really see any quesitons in there, just a lot of negativity and critasism.
Perhaps you misunderstood, I wasn't implying that you didn't understand and that my team was better, I also didn't assume that you might not have been on the BWW team. That's why I asked what team you were on.
Okay, so I just want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly here. You were part of the BWW system and plugged in and listened like your upline said to do. But you're negative about the functions? You're negative about the CDs? And you're negative about the books, which teach general people skills and success principles?
Were you positive about anything other then it wasn't working for you?
Haha... this is humorous. Keep it up Kirk!!! Good on ya.
And Hi fu, good to see you are patrolling the Blog :-)
Kirk: click to X's website, he has a pretty detailed bio on there ("My Detailed BWW story"). He also has monthly breakdowns. If you follow his "calander" of sorts, you will see he was NOT Core eagle for 6-18 months.... He failed pretty miserably at "making sales to customers" and is liberal with explaining his expenses on Books and Tapes as if just purchasing those would make money come in. He must have missed that fine print you mentioned earlier that QStar pays on volume of "soap" moved.
Now X, don't fly off the handle. This is only an analysis of your business effort (or lack of) and can better speak to why it did not work for you and really how much credibility you carry with your QStar assumptions and "knowledge". If i have biblical question, though, you are the scholar to go to!
Ah-h-h, yes. Once again, if anything is critical of Amway/Quixtar, it automatically gets dubbed "negative."
Ok incquiring mind, lets look at your "critical statements"
Definition: Critical
1.Inclined to judge severely and find fault.
2.Characterized by careful, exact evaluation and judgment
Well, take most "critical statements" on this blog or in the forum, and you will find much more of the first than the second. I do not believe, IMO, that many, if any, critics take an HONEST critical look at amquix. The closest critic, by definition, would be Scott Larsen. However, he lacks a little in the "exact" part of the equation. refer to recent apologies and drops of recent posts due to corrections or faults to rush to press the latest "news" on Amquix.
I respond to unsubstatiated claims here, which i point out. Without ACCURATE statistics or facts behind said claims, they are no longer just "critical statements" they are opinions, viewpoints or perceptions... and negative ones at that. None of which can be taken as careful and exact analysis leading to the establishment of fact beyond hypothesis.
Thanks for checking for clarification.
And X: would you be so kind to expand on: "As for your books, most of them have serious objections to them" perhaps in the forum or your website? I challenge that this statement is isolated to you and, maybe, a very small number of other people. You are making quite a statement!!! Downgrading types like Dale Carnegie, Napoleon Hill (and thus Andrew Carnegie if you know anything about his history), Stephen Covey, et al. Needless to say, i am VERY interested to see what army you have backing your "most of them have serious objections" statement.
Hey Brad, good on ya.
You know I did go take a look at X's page. Very well done page X, you must spend a lot of time and take a lot of pride in it.
I did read through your BWW story for the first year.5 and year end high lights. A few observations I did notice. You seemed very excited at the beginning, and even got a few downline to serve and started seeing some success. But one thing that I did notice that was lacking in your year end report was your tax benefit from the business. We ran pretty similar numbers the first year, except I'm not sure I spent as much as you did on tools in my first year, however, when I did my taxes that included my business schedule C from March to December of the year I started, I did see a $3000 positive tax benefit in my return because of my business, because my tools I did buy,among other things, were a business deduction.
And believe me I've had my fear an doubts the first year to be sure. Contacting has been my biggest hurdle as well. I still face it on a daily basis myself. Some days I win, some days I lose, but I'm not planning on giving up. But I had a pretty big A and B list, so now I'm finally getting to and seeing success in my C list contacting. In fact, it looks like I have a guy that I met last week (C lister) that is going to be starting tomorrow.
Of course you know from being around the system, that fear and faith can't co-exist.
You seem like you have strong faith in Jesus as your personal lord and savior, and this system brought me closer to him as well, but it seems like you didn't have faith in yourself when 'trying' to contact people. And man I know that feeling all to well.
I will say that you did give it a good try.
And I did notice that you did have a lot of activity, with attending all kinds of stuff, and driving the miles, STP, etc, but doesn't seem like it ended up being very productive. There's a big difference between activity and productivity. Just my humble opinion.
Brad> I respond to unsubstatiated claims here, which i point out. Without ACCURATE statistics or facts behind said claims, they are no longer just "critical statements" they are opinions, viewpoints or perceptions... and negative ones at that. None of which can be taken as careful and exact analysis leading to the establishment of fact beyond hypothesis.
Joe> I wish we could get information from the corporation. I emailed to simply ask them how many current active IBO's there are in quixtar and how many diamonds exist. I was told to ask the person who showed me the plan.
Brad> I respond to unsubstatiated claims here, which i point out. Without ACCURATE statistics or facts behind said claims, they are no longer just "critical statements" they are opinions, viewpoints or perceptions...
If Brad responds only to unsubstaNtiated claims then it all makes sense now.
I had a substaNtiated claim a long time ago - a 4% ROI for money invested in a CD.
I asked any IBO to come forth and show a better return, year-after-year against a 4% ROI. Some tried and were exposed for math errors (who, I wonder goes into a business without being able to calculate ROI?).
Brad never stepped up to the plate.
Brad, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE. Join the backbone and show us your returns!
If what you have is so great, the numbers can do all of the talking for you. You wont have to patrol message boards with your sophomoric sophistry.
AGAIN I AM ASKING YOU TO STEP UP TO THE CHALLENGE
And even if Brad can make money, does his group profit as a whole? That's key to me.
Fu,
Are you saying that if Brad does a lot of work that his group should profit as much as him? Or that Brad should share his earnings equally with his group? There's a word for that isn't there? Oh yeah, Communisim!
Sorry Fu, this system is based on the capitalist free enterprise system.
The key, is persistant and consistant work.
If people in the group do the work, they will gain profit. If they work harder then Brad, they can make more profit then Brad. I've out earned my sponsor once already.
Sorry that last message was directed at joecool18 not fu.
If i only had a BRAIN....!!! would i be a follower or a leader...??
hey, blah....blah....listen up, I would love to help you, but i don't need YOU...! I didn't now they made a web page for whinners.
Kirk, my point is that unless a group retails, the group as a whole will also have a net loss. The concept of buy from yourself will not lead to riches unless you can get enough failthful downline to boost your PV level. However, even if you accomplish that, your downline will not be making money and the tools will eventually drain their resources.
I know that tools are optional, but the fact is that nearly all IBO's who are "building the business" wil participate in tools because it's taught as a key to success.
Why won't insider not participate in it? That is telling.
Posted by: Imran Aziz | April 14, 2006 3:46 AM