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January 16, 2006
Monday Reader Mail: 70
By QBlog in Reader Mail
This week's Reader Mail is from Julio R. and is a response to Reader Mail 66 from Luis H. The mail from Luis explains that his girlfriend is in Quixtar and he would like to convince her to be more skeptical of the business. Here's Julio's response:
name: Julio R.
date: December 19, 2005
message: Reference Luis and his girlfriend. I was an IBO with Quixtar for 2 years, and after returning from Hawaii this summer from a Lifestyle conference I said "this is it no more of this for me".My losess for the last two years amount to almost $20,000.00, must of it in functions, books and tapes(cd's) that did not teach me anything about how to market products, but pretty much on how to manipulate others into getting in a "business" that did not deliver what it preached. This expense, my friend Luis was not including buying those products from "my mart".
The largest check I received fro Quixtar was $699.00 after spending a large sum of money in order to qualify or a pin (what an idiot I am). The last check was for $4.20. I'm a Hispanic just like you so if you want to contact me , please feel free: (email address removed). You're doing the right thing by staying away from it.
By the way I was at 1500 pv an had a downline of 25 people. Gradualy they started to fade away because THEY WERE NOT MAKING ANY MONEY, specialy with this "pipeline concept" IT DOES NOT WORK! Again if you would like to contact me, feel free.
Good luck
Julio R.
I removed Julio's email address but if Luis or anyone else would like it, send me an email and I'll forward it to you.
Comments
I agree with you Thomas. This guy was either misled by his upline or didn't consult with them. A lot of people let their emotional need for recognition impair their judgement. I have also purchased products in order to reach a higher pin. I have since learned not to do that. It has been my experience that if your business doesn't grow, it is because you aren't doing the work. You went to functions. Great. You spent $20k on books and tapes etc. Wonderful. Did you show the plan? Did you really talk to everyone you know and have come into contact with about your business? I doubt it. I'd be willing to bet that everyone that complains about not making it with a quixtar business on this site, also didn't show the plan. All of the leaders that I know showd the plan over 15 to 25 times per month for months on end and face a lot of rejection before their business really started to grow.
Whiners like you will never be successful in anything unless your work ethic (attitude) changes. Nothing will make you money without you working hard at it.
I sponsored four of the first 14 people I showed the plan to. None of them did anything with it. I then went through 39 straight "no"s. The 40th couple got in, but they didn't do anything with it either. I continued showing the plan and having my upline silver, direct, pearl, and even emerald show the plan for me. In the end, I think I showed the plan to about 85 prospects. I don't know how many people I approached. During this time, I was constantly trying to develop my 10-20 customers who would buy 10-20 dollars a month worth of products. I think the most customers I ever had at any one time was six or seven. Maybe that wasn't enough effort to go diamond, but it was enough effort where I should have been showing a profit. If what I did wasn't enough to make the business work, then maybe IBO's should change the way they show the plan to show what kind of effort it REALLY takes to make this thing succeed.
Scott N., I wonder if your sponsor would have wanted to sponsor you if you told him from the get-go that you had an 85 plan limit to determine your success. If you've never built a business like this before, how do you know that you showed enough plans to make a profit? How do you know you were showing it to the right people? How do you know you related to the people you showed it to well enough that their decision was based on whether the business was real or not? Personality and relatability plays a tremendous role into whether people will want to be a part of what you're doing or not. If you're showing someone the plan knowing that you're only going to show 85 and determine the results, it comes out in your voice and how you approach it.
If instead you're willing to show as many plans as it takes to work, then when guy number 81 doesn't get in, you don't care. Failure is not the opposite of success. You hear try-fail-adjust in the business all the time, but people often just try-fail, try-fail, try-fail over and over again. Maybe the problem isn't with the business, but more internal.
Maybe it's not the people that fail. Maybe it's an inherently flawed "system" that fail's the IBO's. Iknow some people who were hard core for many years, yet never got about 2500 PV or a better example, my former sponsor signed up, went direct in 10 months and continued to sponsor people, continued to do all the core steps, and now 12 years later, he is still a direct, with no downline direct legs. This guy is a hard worker, and is a doctor in his day job.
That's the problem, the successes are attributed to the system and the failures are blamed on the individuals. Frankly, I think the opposite is true.
Thanks Joe. You said essentially what I was going to say.
Vin, I understand what you're saying. It's possible that #86 would have been the next superstar. However, at what point do you finally come to realize that you're simply throwing good money (and time and effort) after bad?
In my 3.5 years in the business, I saw two couples in my upline advance a pin level. Dexter Yager went from triple to crown and one of my upline pearls went emerald.
Ealier in this thread, Doug was talking smack about how all critics are whiners and losers. He wrote: "Did you show the plan? Did you really talk to everyone you know and have come into contact with about your business? I doubt it. I'd be willing to bet that everyone that complains about not making it with a quixtar business on this site, also didn't show the plan." I was simply proving Doug wrong.
A lot of people are talking about 'business sense' in this thread. Good business sense will keep OUT of these kinds of "opportunities". If you don't have a business degree, you don't have the slightest bit of business sense. Would you want me operating on your heart, just because I heard a motivational cd that talks about heart surgery and/or had my sponsor standing over my shoulder, telling me what to do? THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE
ScottN, you said "If what I did wasn't enough to make the business work, then maybe IBO's should change the way they show the plan ..."
Though I don't think it's what you meant, you hit the nail on the head here. If you showed 85 people and only 5 or so joined, then yes, you absolutely should be "changing the way you show the plan". They were either very poor quality prospects (were they peer and above?) or there is some problem in the way you were showing them the business. How many followups where you booking? It's perhaps a better measure.
I'm sure you've heard the old "definition of insanity" about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. This applies for plan showing as well. If you're not getting the results you should expect, then change what you are doing. (which of course you did :-) )
fu: while perhaps not in heart surgery per se, that is indeed pretty much how interns learn. They operate while having someone standing over their shoulder telling them, if necessary, what to do.
I don't have a business degree, but I have owned and founded multiple businesses. Bill Gates has no business degree. Larry Page and Sergey Brin don't have business degrees. Ray Kroc doesn't have a business degree. According to The Millionaire Next Door, the majority of millionaires in the US are business owners - and they don't have business degrees. And so on and so on ...
Insider,
My original post was in response to Doug who wrote "Did you show the plan? Did you really talk to everyone you know and have come into contact with about your business? I doubt it. I'd be willing to bet that EVERYONE that complains about not making it with a quixtar business on this site, also didn't show the plan." (Emphasis added) Doug is dead wrong and I wanted to call him on it.
What's interesting here is that Doug asks "Did you really talk to everyone you know and have come into contact with?" You and Vin ask if I was showing the plan to the right people. Which is it, the shotgun approach or the sharpshooter approach? You, Vin, and Doug are giving conflicting advice.
My upline Silver, Gold Direct, Pearl, and Emerald all showed the plan for me. I showed the plan for myself. I contacted a millionare farmer. My family's dentist. Teachers from high school and college. My peers. (I was 20 years old when I got into the business.) I contacted former boses from jobs that I had. I sponsered the owner of a local gym and the manager of a clothing store in Fresno.
You're suggesting that the reason I didn't make it in the business was because I was doing something wrong. Is the "system" that unforgiving that unless you follow everything to the letter, you cannot succeed? If the system is so great, shouldn't you reap at least partial benefits even if you're not doing everything perfect? I'm willing to take personal responsiblity for my actions, but when will IBO's be willing to take responsiblity for a business opportunity that just maybe doesn't deliver on everything it promises?
Nope, INSIDER is wrong.
Interns get on the job training as a secondary portion of their education.
The primary source is formal education (like lectures, textbooks, case studies, etc)
Insider is overlooking formal eduacation altogether here, which is why his way is not the way of common sense.
Although Bill Gates Ray Kroc all did extremely well without a formal education, most (let me say that AGAIN) MOST people do not do well without a formal education in the field they are pursuing.
So people can choose to align themselves with a few that have defied the odds or they can align themselves with the tens (hudreds?) of thousands that have follow the proper channels of education.
Insider is entitle to choose any way he wants, but the odds are stacked against his way. You all should know that by now.
I am sorry about your experience with Quixtar. But you know the best way to build any business is using business sense. You should never out spend your income from the business. Decide if you should go to the function based on your business income. If you have to go in debt (borrow money from your income from your job) you shouldn't go to the function. Purchase items from the income you make from your business. In a standard business you have to be careful with your expenses and in Quixtar like any business you have to be careful with your expenses. Like you I made the same mistake of spending beyond my business income, but is Quixtar a good business, yes it is. But we all have to use good business sense in building it. I learned a lot about the various products and programs. There is plenty of information in the brochures and from the leadership about the products. I have not reached financial independence, but I believe I will reach financial independence.
Posted by: thomas | January 18, 2006 7:49 PM