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January 30, 2006
Can It Get Any Larger?
By QBlog in Miscellaneous
This is too funny to keep to myself.
Yesterday Ty Tribble published something called the "QBlog Diamond Rally" on his MLM Blog. The post has received some modifications and edits but it originally read this way:
Have you heard the QBlog Diamond Rally?
Like most rallies, it's not big on the details of how to build a downline of Anti-MLM Bloggers and Forum Posters, but it is an interesting listen.
I wonder when the book will come out.
Since I've never been to a Diamond Rally (though I did hear Dexter Yager speak at a weekend seminar once) I was a little perplexed about what Tribble meant by his comments.
I asked my friend, and former Quixtar IBO, Shawn Cannon if he could shed any light on the post. He explained that Diamond Rallies generally consist of a Diamond standing up on stage and talking about himself without giving any real business information. A sort of egotistical brag-fest.
Ah ha! Now I think I understand.
The Podcast
The link in Tribble's post was to my November 7, 2006, QBlog Radio podcast titled "All About QBlog." The podcast was a bit of a departure from my usual format (though that format is always evolving) and my goal was to simply share some things about myself so people could get to know me better. It's not a particularly great podcast but it is what it is.
The link on the MLM Blog was directly to the mp3 file. It was linked without any real context and without linking to the source blog (QBlog Radio). In fact, unobservant listeners might believe that the file was being served off of Tribble's site and eating his bandwidth instead of mine.
All of which is fine. I don't believe there's anything wrong with "hot linking" a publicly available audio file without proper context. That's Tribble's prerogative. However, I'm also free to have a little fun and modify those "hot linked" files any time I choose.
And that's exactly what I did.
The Switcheroo
Last night I fired up my PowerBook and recorded a nine minute audio clip (mp3 - 2.2 MB) discussing Ty Tribble, Oasis LifeSciences, Al Keranen, Operation Cure.All and blogging motivations.
I uploaded the audio file to my QBlog Radio server and gave it the exact same file name as the "All About QBlog" mp3 file. Of course I didn't want to lose the original podcast so I renamed that file as well and updated the related links on the QBlog Radio website (including the RSS feed). The hilarious result was that the file Tribble linked to was no longer "All About Me" but nine minutes of me discussing his new MLM business, Oasis LifeSciences.
No Comprende
Funny stuff right? Apparently Tribble didn't see the humor. Here's what he had to say:
Update: After taking the time to record a podcast solely about himself, apparently "QBlog" aka Eric Janssen does not want his QBlog Diamond Rally Podcast to be listened to. Sometime in the last 12 hours, he changed the recording and monkeyed with the link. I fixed the link, but this seems odd to me that someone who has "cornered the truth" on MLM would do such a thing.
Actually, I don't care who listens to the podcast since it's always been on my servers. If I didn't want anyone to hear it, I would have deleted it entirely. All I did was change the file name. Visiting my QBlog Radio website would have provided listeners with the complete podcast.
But there wasn't a link to QBlog Radio on the MLM Blog, not until the second update:
2nd Update: The link has been changed again. What is Eric hiding? I wonder if this deception has to do with the 2nd coming of Qrush? Is Qrush really QBlog? Was QBlog behind the plot to get Martha Stewart to endorse Malt Liquour and sell it through the MLM Model? Anyways, I linked his site this time. If he wants to change the link again, he will have to make a change to his QBlog Radio Blog.
Mission Accomplished
Well, I won't be changing the links on QBlog Radio. I have no reason to do so. If people want to listen to the podcast they can visit my site and at least have the opportunity to understand its proper context. And maybe, just maybe, we've all learned a valuable lesson today.
Comments
roflmao!
yes, that's funny! :-D
hahahhahahahahha
sorry Ty ;-) I'm sure someone will get me too once I get my site up again!
some people are too serious for their own good.
Too serious?
Are you telling me that you do not see the sarcasm in this? Good grief.
Qrush, Martha Stewart, Malt Liquor, Diamond - Eric J.?
No Ty,
Too funny, would be the phrase. It's like playing link tag, your it!
Ty, sorry I thought you were being serious. I take back what I said.
I consider Eric a friend, even if he has been writing about Quixtar for over 3 years and still didn't understand what a rally is.
The audio replacement was funny.
Eric,
A rally is a strange cult gathering where they talk non-sense into the ears those waiting despirately for a 'nugget' that will step up their business success by 6 months. Once people are sudduced into a slobbering stuper, they are hypnotically taught that the only true secret way to succeed is to buy into the system without questioning your upline.
There are held every 3 months to properly indoctrinate all the new members.
Yes, that was sarcastic, but with a hint of truth to be sure.
X
6 Months? I guess that changes from group to group. We were always told a year for rallies and functions.
Qblog FYI,
They are changing the format for less and less seminars and weekend rallies. The main two that "should" be attended now (IF you are core)is Spring Leadership and Dream Night and a couple of product demonstration meetings every 3 months.
The emphasis has been changing to show more retailing rallies and "nuts and bolts" type meetings than rah rah rallies.
ahh, I love this kind of comment - the all powerful "they" strikes again!
Who is this they? I've been an IBO for 7 years and never once heard of anything called "spring leadership" or "dream night" except on forums like this!
there is no ubiquitious "they" and I wish folks would start realising it.
Well, Insider,
I go back more than seven years, but I still have ticket stubs to a "Dream Night" held in Atlanta GA in The Florence Organization.
I also have stubs for a "GO DIAMOND" weekend.
If you want some proof that terms like Dream Night exist right on the Internet BY AN IBO...check out Dream Night 2006 at
http://www.wwdb.com/login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fBusinessEducation%2fBusinessEducation.aspx
Dave
Dave, what the heck has that got to do with my post? Where did I ever say there were no "dream nights" etc? I didn't. My point is my usual one - people post over and over again in such a way as if there experience and they way they or their group operated *is* Quixtar or Amway. It's not! For gods sake, there are for example thousands and thousands of IBOs and ex-IBOs, probably tens of thousands, that have never even heard of Dexter Yager or Bill Britt! I have never once in 7+ years ever encountered their names except from the time I spend on forums like this. Never once.
I'd also note another commonality - nearly every time I point out people doing these generalizations, someone comes along, as you did, and essentially accuses me of claiming that persons experience is false!
Insider,
You said, "I've been an IBO for 7 years and never once heard of anything called "spring leadership" or "dream night" except on forums like this!"
I took that to mean you thought those terms ONLY existed on sites like this.
You responded to Michael, when he used the phrase "they are changing the format" and goes on to explain, "more nuts and bolts" and "less rah rah"
You did bring up "dream night" like it was a term that is not used in reality with IBO functions.
I do understand your point that all IBOs do not experience the same uplines and experiences; good or bad, and that each person's experience does not define Amway/Quixtar as a whole.
But if I misunderstood your point about "never once heard of anything called "spring leadership" or "dream night" except on forums like this!"; then I think it may have been the way you wrote it, not the way I read it.
Dave
Fair enough. Just to be clear - I *know* that other organisations use terms like that. My frustration and comment was addressed at the use of an all encompassing "they".
Looks to me like Ty is one disturbed individual. Does he have to put down others to (try to) make himself look good? Look out, Ty, there is a conspiracy out to get you!
Qblog,
Oh I also forgot, there is also what is called FED or Free Enterprise Days in the fall. Opps.
insider, the "they" I was referring to is the kingpins.
Tex makes a very good point. most MLM leaders I know don't go out of their way to insult someone. Some leadership skills there Ty. I also had one question for Ty, if it was a joke, where is the punchline? I missed it somewhere..
ahh, so now it's a mysterious "the kingpins.". What, are they like the bildeberg group or something? Meeting in exotic locations all planning their next move? bwwaaahahahahahaa!!!
So, who are these kingpins exactly? And why are "they" not changing names for my seminars? Inquiring minds need to know ....
Micheal>most MLM leaders I know don't go out of their way to insult someone
X>My favorate example of a leader insulting someone was in the Sunday morning Worship service when Billl Britt says, and I quote: "Any Democrates in here? GO TO HELL!".
I feel the love and so want the religion he has
insider > "So, who are these kingpins exactly?"
Scott N > From my experience, Dexter Yager, Rick Setzer, the no-longer-in-the-business-what-ever-happened-to-him Keith Belknap, Bill Britt, Tom Payne, George Halsey. Those were the double diamond or better names that I remember.
I've heard other names mentioned on this site, but I don't have any firsthand experience and won't mention them here. Anyone else want to name a few kingpins and notorious AMOs?
First, I don't see where I put anyone down.
Second, the punchline is in the first sentence....that QBlog recorded a Diamond Rally. I found the paralell between QBlog's podcast and a diamond rally to be interesting.
I'm sorry if Tex and Michael don't get it. I assumed that most people with Quixtar experience would.
Lastly for Michael, I lack leadership skills in your opinion, yet your upline in WWDB (I suspect) allows thousands of people to spend more money than they are making every month and you place those "leaders" in the highest esteem. Interesting.
LOL, Qblog. I see the humor. "Tag, you're it!"
I'm rather suprised this Ty guy has enough time to watch you so closely... to each his own, I guess....
Ima
Dave, what the heck has that got to do with my post? Where did I ever say there were no "dream nights" etc? I didn't. My point is my usual one - people post over and over again in such a way as if there experience and they way they or their group operated *is* Quixtar or Amway. It's not!
insider, it's Quixtar Blog. Not Amway blog.
Give me % of people who have not heard of them. You "active" ones.
Ty,
You don't think that falsely accusing someone of hiding their podcast from you or falsely saying they claimed to have "cornered the truth" on MLM is a put-down? I wouldn't want to hear a real put-down from you.
The point is I do get it, you carry a "shotgun" around and "shoot" in every direction, clouding the main issue, which is the obscene tool profits. Thanks to this site and others, there is a lot of pressure on the "kingpins" to clean up their act or get out. See http://www.amquix.info/quixtar_disclaimer.html for one more brick that has been taken out of the wall of secrecy. Although I think amquix.info often exaggerates and comes to ridiculous conclusions, that site does uncover some interesting facts.
In the meantime, there are IBO's breaking free of these "systems" and developing their own systems at a fraction of the cost. When these businesses get big enough, (and they will, as the competitive advantage is overwhelming), it will be impossible for the "kingpins" (also known as lying cowards) to hide the facts and flash their lifestyle that is largely based on tool, not product profits.
Imran, what's that got to do with it? The problem is, at least from many of the "critics" perspective, the call it a Quixtar Blog, but it's actually an ex-WWDB or affiliates Blog, not a Quixtar blog.
I'm still not understanding this:
Ty: Second, the punchline is in the first sentence....that QBlog recorded a Diamond Rally. I found the paralell between QBlog's podcast and a diamond rally to be interesting.
Can you please explain this? Seriously, I don't get it. I thought I did as I expressed in my post but now people are saying a "Diamond Rally" is something different than what Shawn Cannon explained.
Please help a simpleton explain the complexities of MLM jargon so I can also enjoy the funny joke.
QBlog,
First, you have to accept the statement the punchline is in the first sentence. Rarely is this true with real jokes.
I think what he was saying is that your recording was about "stuff", not that your admitted "ramblings" were not interesting. In fact, I enjoyed the recording, giving a glimpse of your background, views, etc. The analogy Ty was making was a Diamond Rally is often the same type of oratory, they tell about their trip to wherever, the new (tool) car they bought, the new (tool) house they are building, etc. Of course, there is never a direct mention that 2/3 to 9/10 of their income (at the Emerald and above level) is from tools. That would be too honest on their part. However, the numerous lawsuits (almost always from a tool dispute) from former Emeralds and above on the internet, not to mention the ones that did not appear on the internet, the ones that were arbitrated away, or the ones that simply left in disgust, are not mentioned, either. Neither are the newspaper articles that talk about these issues, the Dateline story, etc. Hope this helps.
Ty,
"Lastly for Michael, I lack leadership skills in your opinion, yet your upline in WWDB (I suspect) allows thousands of people to spend more money than they are making every month and you place those "leaders" in the highest esteem. Interesting."
Where did THAT come from? Is that your lame attempt at humor again?
Insider, if this is not a Quixtar Blog, then what it is? Real Quixtar Blog? LOL, that one is not even a blog.
Also, u have $$ to gain by posting that many ppl's experience is not typical of Quixtar.
BUT
you were never in Quixtar. How do you know?
Insider, if this is not a Quixtar Blog, then what it is? Real Quixtar Blog? LOL, that one is not even a blog.
Also, u have $$ to gain by posting that many ppl's experience is not typical of Quixtar.
BUT
you were never in Quixtar. How do you know?
Imran, you're smarter than that - even if I was in Quixtar that doesn't mean I know what everybody elses experience is. And neither do you. We can only look at the evidence, which has been done numerous times and indicates unequivocally the "horror stories" are not the majority.
But I must say I'm surprised. I didn't expect that you supported the assertion that some IBOs make that Quixtar != Amway and it's a completely different business. I respectfully have to disagree with you.
I would disagree, Insider. I think that the horror stories are the majority for a few reasons:
1. Not all people REPORT their stories. This has to do with the indoctrination that a failure is YOUR fault and/or they will just take their losses in humiliation. (To those reading this that that applies to, TELL YOUR STORY)
2. Many of the horror stories only come to light after people have left. I was in for a number of years, and it was nothing but great Great GREAT! It was after I left that I realized what a horror it was.
3. Very few people EVER make it to the covented position of Diamond, they spend thousands of dollars and never get anything. I am speaking of people involved with the MO's, which is argueably the vast majority of IBO's...(Does anyone have any statistics on that ground?)
1. It is true that not all people report their stories. It is also a well know customer service maxim that people are far more likely to report a negative experience than a positive experience. See my earlier port analysing posts to amquix.info that show, despite apparent bias (my posts have never been published, that positive:negative responses is not much more than 50:50. Taken together this alone would mean there are more positive experiences than negative experiences. The we have fact that out of some 4 million IBOs in the last 5 years, amquix.info has only a few hundred messages of complaint. I can't see how any reasonable person could add all of this evidence together to the majority have bad experiences.
2. See above. 4 million IBOs, a few hundred reports of problems. A greater percent of registered IBOs make diamond than report any complaints!
3. The number making diamond is irrelevant to the question of bad experience or not. See the analysis on the forums indicating that close to 100% of people who actually do the recommended work make platinum, which is the basis of the business. I'm sure the great majority of people making 40K/yr part-time are quite delighted.
Imran/Insider,
Who cares what percentage of complaints on the internet is positive or negative, or compare it to how many diamonds there are? This is not a statistically significant set of data, not scientifically gathered, etc. It is pure garbage to conclude anything from these random data points.
How about talk about the real facts that matter to a BUSINESS. That is, where does the money come from? It comes from tools, and this knowledge on the internet is starting to eat the "kingpins" alive. Notice how Jody Victor got all excited about amquix.info accusing him of only being an Emerald, having an ex-wife painted over, etc., but there is silence when it comes to the discussion about the majority source of the money, system tools (tapes/CD's, books, functions).
Talk about where 2/3 to 9/10 of the income comes from for those who are making a net profit, the Emeralds and above. Talk about how when you get to Emerald and quit your former job, you have traded it in for a new job, called "suck up to the kingpins and hide where you are making the bulk of your money from". How about that for "owning" your own business?
All of these other discussions merely cloud the real issue, the repulsive tool profits that allow the "kingpins" to show us their new (tool) cars, how they are building their new (tool) houses, and their new (tool) boats, etc., but don't talk about how they are paying for it with the money you are using to buy the overpriced tools. As was said earlier, this is also called being a lying coward.
Insider,
Compare apples to apples next time. Your comment on number 1 above is based on product complaints, not a cult utilizing known mind control techniques (Whether intentional or un-intentional). We are not talking about a complaint on product lines, but PEOPLE.
On 2, REPORT is the key word
On 3, I think that you are deluded because most of the critics here DID do all the core steps in total submission, and never made it. Was it me that was wrong?
Yes, that's right, I was hard core, but even then my upline used to tell me that I wasn't growing fast enough because I didn't totally submit. What kind of baloney is that? I went from 0 to 4000 PV in 6-7 months. but I needed to submit more??????
It's for that reason and a few others that I quit and collapsed my group. I joined to make money, not start a cult.
1. Tex: It was a complete and valid statistical sampling of 6 months of data on the self-desribed "biggest source" of data on the business. I spent years working as an epidemiologist and statistician. Want to argue how to do research? take it to the forums. It's a hell of a lot more valid than the constant claims that "all systems are the same" and "thousands and thousands" of people suffer etc etc etc. The tape/tools income is a discussion for elsewhere. Take it up in the forums.
xanadustc: Are you seriously claiming that all the message people send to Larsen are PRODUCT complaints? Good grief. If you haven't even read the comments on Amquix I analysed then your comments are just completely worthless rantings
2. Yes, REPORT is a key word. And there are just as many positive reports as negative reports, and it's been well established people are more likely to report a complaint than a compliment. I therefore assume you are now supporting my assertion?
3. I consider the whole "submit" thing to indeed be cult-like and balony. If I'd ever encountered it I would have quit faster than you can believe. But It has nothing to do with A/Q, it has everything to do with the people YOU were working with. I am not talking about YOUR upline. I'm interested in talking about the business as a whole, and that's what my analysis and discussion is about.
No, you are talking about the reports of PRODUCTS...I am talking about the report of an abusive system.
I would be glad to battle the specifics of research. I am a research scientist myself. Where can I look over your reports. They might be valid. I have not seen them, however, I am not talking about product complaints or misguided employees for a company, I am talking about abuse.
Next,
I don't know where you are, but here in America, the VAST MAJORITY of the uplines are these people who teach submission. I think that the reality of it is that YOU are in the outstanding system. I say this because of the vast numbers of MO's which are very large, and they are all documented to teach similar things.
Who is your upline, LOS, and LOA?
You spent several years as an epidemiologist and statistician? I hope you are not typical, or we are all in trouble, as even an ordinary person knows you cannot use any particular web site as a statistically accurate source. You should know this better than most, your experience does not impress me, or apparently others, in this discussion.
I bet you think Gore and Kerry won the elections, too.
Now, get back to the tool profit abuse, it is driving 2/3 to 9/10 of the "kingpin" money. You didn't address that topic at all in your response. Note this item started off with a Diamond Rally discussion, a major source of these monies. I will discuss this issue here, it is on topic with the original post, thank you very much.
xanadustc, where on earth did I talk about products? You're just making that up. I'm hardly aware of any comments on products.
Read through the forums and you will see my reports on the data on methodology, I'm not doing it again just for your sake.
Now - you've made the claim that the VAST MAJORITY of IBOs in America are part of the groups. Could you please provide some evidence of this? I have no idea if that is true or not. I keep seeing it claimed, but nobody has produced any evidence. Furthurmore, I've provided listings of all of the Crown Ambassadors, and thus substantial sized businesses, and been unable to find[i]any[/i] commentary on the internet about the vast majority of them. Which, while obviously not proof, is certainly strong evidence your claim is false.
Actually Tex, if you look at all the analysis of the 2000 election, pretty much every way you look at it, Gore DID win. As for Kerry, the statistical anomolies in that election are enough to make a grown man weep. But that's another story altogether.
As for the research. I have taken the only data we have available and briefly analysed it. If you have better data that instead supports your viewpoint, then I'd love to see it.
This whole thread is getting too long for comments, so [b]I think it would be absolutely fantastic if you and xanadustc could publish the data and analysis supporting your assertions in the forums so we can discuss it there.[/b] I eagerly await it.
Insider,
Please don't tell me you are a liberal, and all of this logic is falling on deaf ears. If you look at the Constitution, you will find Bush won, because the Presidential election is based on who gets more Electoral College votes. An analogy would be if a football team has more first downs (popular vote), but not as many points (Electoral College votes), they lose the game. Nobody, except in liberaland, ever claims victory when this happens.
Yes, you (finally) admit your data source is faulty. When asking for my data, do you mean tool profit money, which is the heart of the issue, or the side issue of counting compliments and complaints? I major on majors, I will let others take care of the minors.
You still have not commented on the obscene tool profits. It doesn't take an epidemiologist and statistician background to see this is the major problem in the business, everything else is secondary.
Tex, this discussion and my contribution to it was about "dream nights" and nomenclature and people's tendency to lump everything together. It was not about tools money. If you want to discuss that, then we can discuss it elsewhere. I'll simply say that if someone is making more money from their tools business than from their quixtar business and promoting their lifestyle or whatever as being from the quixtar business then they are quite obviously being unethical. We're I'm sure we'll disagree is on whether the problem is endemic or not.
Virtually all data sources are "faulty in some way". You use the best you've got and admit the flaws. I'm yet to see anybody produce any evidence at all to support claims like 2/3 to 9/10 of income comes from tools. Or that most IBOs in Quixtar are in LOA that promote "submission" etc etc etc. I'm looking at the best data available. What are you looking at?
As for the election, this really isn't the place, but virtually every analysis done by qualified statisticians shows that if all legitimate votes had been counted then Gore won Florida. The vote he lost was the Supreme Court vote. That ended up being the most important one.
Insider,
When I was in the biz, the tools money was secretive. So when we were using profiles of success as a recruiting tool, our upline was being unethical because we were protraying a lifestyle that was not attained through amway, but through the tools.
If the lifestyle's portrayed could not be achieved by the expected income at their level, yet was portrayed as such, then yes I consider that unethical.
I'd point out though that the average Diamond income is more than the income of the average millionaire in the US, so it can fund a pretty damn good lifestyle. Don't forget, Diamonds are allowed to borrow money too :-)
Insider,
The more I post, the more I find out how bad our WWDB upline was. Although diamond may have a good income, they always said everything was paid cash. Paying for your house in cash is smart because you save all the interest on the morgage, etc. I learn more and more each day about how much they lied and gave bad advice, including buying a house in cash.
Insider,
How much does your upline charge for books, tapes/CD's, and functions? If you pay retail for books, $6-7 for audios, more than $100 for major functions, your glorious upline is raking in your cash to buy their new car, house, etc. They then turn around and brag about how good the Quixtar business is, and for you to show it to others. By your statement, this is unethical. I agree.
What, $240,000/yr, or 100k more than the average income of a US millionaire, isn't enough income to be able to buy a nice house and boat?
Man, you have high standards!
Insider,
You are really good at not answering simple questions. How much are your tools?
oh good grief. No intention of sticking to the topic do you? ADHD? I recommend omega-3, research shows it helps. But in the meantime I'll just have to put up with the same old rehashed talking points. Talk about brainwashed! Do you think for yourself or just sprout what you read on amquix?
But just to entertain you, the tapes and CDs are cheaper than comparable products that I buy from elsewhere. The books are cheaper than I can buy them from bookstores or amazon.com. The seminars are way way way cheaper than comparable types of seminars. So all in all a pretty good deal.
If you want to discuss this further, take it to the forums. And while you are there you can read my posts where this has been gone over umpteen times.
Insider,
Still no dollar amounts? I would be glad to discuss, which forum topic?
Start a new one if you wish, but note that I am not in the US, so pricing is not directly comparable. The organisation I work with is in the US though, and philosophy is the same globally. I also prefer to discuss known, publicly available and verifiable facts. It's my experience that when the going gets tough in a debate, critics just start accusing either individual IBOs, so called "kingpins", "the corp", "the system" etc of lying about the data. For all it's faults amquix has some nice scans and info for that kind of discussion. But not tonight, it's late in this corner of the world!
Insider,
I have too many things to do to read through the forum on a regualr basis. I did not ask you to do it again, I asked you for a LINK....you know, somethings that might look like this:
www.quixtarstfuu.html/siadufhlfg/83456093428/fkaske
(that is not a real one, just an example).
You NEVER talked about products, but you referenced a PRODUCT BASED complaint norm as if it applied to the experience of MOs.
FYI, I did not read the several posts you put up in the last 8 hours, just the very next one since I wrote last.
X
OK, I read the REST of your comment following mine.
1. I don't HAVE statistics on that, which is why I asked for them. The absence of those does NOT prove my point wrong, just subject to proper data. No one wins that arguement yet since neither of us has the data, it is purely speculation, but being here in America and attending such functions, BWW alone holds several FED weekends with as many as 10,000 to 15,000 in attendance. Not all BWW people go to them. BWW, WWDB, and a few more are rather large. That puts the odds more in my favor than yours.
2. I am not impressed with a list of CAMs, they stay on that list regardless of if they fall out of qualification. Where is the link to that list? I have more thoughts about it, but I want to see it.
but note that I am not in the US
Yet you know that ppl who are in US and dare speak negatively of Quixtar does not represent the majority, based on your non-US experience.
Call me whatever you want. See the similarities between mine and JoeCool's experience. Compare the Dollar amount I lost / year, PW and Xanadustic. 3 different tool organizations right there.
There was a N21 dude in the forum as well, "Retired". He was very positive though ;)
To the best of my knowledge all of you are reporting experiences with B/Y affiliated organisations, not 3 different organisations. The quixtar site reports a dozen or so different organisations in the US.
I have NOT claimed that you do not represent the majority. I have claimed that you have provided no evidence of it and then I have provided evidence that indicates that you are likely wrong. You are the folk claiming it is the majority. Can YOU provide evidence for it? One way to support it would be to provide evidence B/Y and affiliates are the majority in the US. 10-15000 in a seminar is not evidence, not when there's nearly a million registered IBOs. How about the list of new 2004 Diamonds and above? How many where in what organisation? That should provide some evidence. You are all so quick to demand evidence from IBOs - where is YOUR evidence?
Insider,
Out of the 12 new diamonds listed on Amquix (point me to a better list if you have them), 6 of the 12 diamonds are BWW. This is simply based on a very fast internet search. ofthe non-britt, I do not know where they are (and they MIGHT be britt), I know that 2 of them are on the same team.
Ok, good. That's some evidence that's supports the claim. But there's a lot more :-)
http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2343
I think I peed a little. :)
Ty: Copy | paste and have the file hosted in $3.99 / month GoDaddy account. By hotlinking u r putting urself at the mercy of other webmaster.
Posted by: Imran | January 30, 2006 7:34 PM