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October 10, 2005
FYI AmQuix
By QBlog in Miscellaneous
Scott Larsen's AmQuix site is down for now but it will be up soon enough. Many have wondered what happened but there hasn't been any foul play that Scott can identify. He's moving the site to a new host.
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We wouldn't have to worry so much if Quixtar were not so opposed to accurate and thorough information about their business being released to the public. I can understand any company being concerned with anti-company propaganda, but attempting the level of chacanery that Amway/Quixtar has attempted is bordering on Enron-style antics, and I have a feeling that the monolithic corporation will fall just as suddenly and fantastically. The only difference being that most Quixtar IBOs are already broken down financially and emotionally wondering where to go next.
Out of curiousity, has anyone from Quixtar managed to figure out what IBOs actually own? It seems vague, and the answers that people have provided seem equally vague. Can I be the owner of my own potential? Or did Quixtar take that away too?
Welcome new critbots. Interested in accurate and thorough information for the public? Try www.thisbiznow.com, and www.quixtarfacts.com. Average incomes, and percentages are also publicly released, Brian. So what is Qx doing that is so clandestine?
Oh, and I own my own business? It's not a building, its web-based.
I have customers, and other owners as part of my business. How bout you?
Poorhouse Tony:
You don't own anything. You hold a stake in a sinking ship.
I am sure you would have spent big money to "own a hole" of the Titanic's hull.
Congrats. Way to think things through.
And how much are you making in your "Business" Tony?
http://ww.quixtarfacts.com/ is down.
T> Oh, and I own my own business? It's not a building, its web-based.
DI> Your business isn't "web-based." A real web-based business is something like Amazon.com, or if you're thinking of a smaller scale, something like hookah-shisha.com. (This is off the top of my head.) All you have is a password-protected redirect to the BWW site, and a cookie-cutter form that just has your name on it. Other than that it looks like every other BWW IBO's website.
Plus, you're getting ripped off for it, too! $15 a month buys you an actual domain name, a few dozen MBs of space, unlimited e-mail addresses, as well as a host of other server-side tools. As you have it now, you're paying BWW for the privilege of referring customers to their website. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
Oh and Tony, what do you actually "own" other than a closetful of Quixtar products? Can you sell your "business" to anyone you want? Can you get a fair, negotiated price for it?
It's too early in the day to do battle with the Poorhouse Ninja.
I think Tony's group uses the following tool to get all fired up.
http://tinyurl.com/828jp
Anybody would benefit from this valuable knowledge.
Since we are on the topic of sites being down, anyone know what's happened to Bruce Anderson's Forum?
Tony,
Are you the same 'Tony' that left the wonderfully glowing comments about Quixtar on the local Grand Rapids LAW website, that has the articles about the crumbling pyrimid?
Sounded like you.
Great articles being written on the reality of ScamWay and the co-founders and children on the illegal activities to line their pockets even more. Hopefully they will be further exposed before Dick DeVos (and Nazi wife Betsy) can do further damage to our economy as govenor.
I think it's pretty silly that customers need a password in order to buy Q products. It's a barrier to doing business. But then again, the concept being taught "buy from yourself and teach others to do the same"
does not work. If you follow this theory, a few will succeed but the masses must fail.
Quixtar has ruined my family... My husband decided to joined this cult over 2 yrs ago, I went to a couple of meetings myself and I just couldn't believe how stupid all these IBO's are.. they worship all big guys, such as Larry Winters. My husband has turned into a robot, he sounds like his upline, he dresses like him, he no longer watches T.V, he no longer listens to music, he Breathes Quixtar all day and night ... 2 yrs in.. all he has in returned is DEBT.. He has to buy his own points to make to special meetings, "THE MEETING OF THE YEAR".. 1000 Points and above... so there goes my husband and buys everything he can buy to make the points.. Things that we don't need, things that we don't use. My husband has a full time job and does this "business" ( which I prefer to called "hobby") every afternoon, regardless of what we have going on.. B-days, anniversaries, emergencies... He just doesn't care and goes out and "contact" people. He has completely pushed the family to the side.. I asked him to make a decision….. I can't even buy regular COLGATE toothpaste without him going nuts about it and throwing it in the garbage... I don't need this kind of attitude around my children. He said he would keep on doing this business with or w/out me... He made his choice very clear.. I left him.. I took my children and left him.. it's been 4 weeks since then and I have not heard back from him... He has obviously decided to married Quixtar and forgot about his wife of 8 years and his two beautiful children of 6 and 3.
How can these people use Christianity as being part of these business?.. THIS IS NOT A CHRISTIAN BUSINESS… THEY ARE USING IT TO BRING PEOPLE IN AND WRAPP THEM IN ALL THEIR LIES AND PROMISES… SOMEONE HAS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT….
Frustrated Wife,
Your story is very similar to many other people as well. I would encourage you as a Christian (I will assume you are as well, if not, please disregard portions of my message) not to divorce him. Seperation is viable in your situation, divorce is not. I was just like him when I was in, there is hope for him. I will pray for him and you. I would suggest you read through Steve Hassans sight, (www.freedomofmind.com), particularly the information on Amway/Quixtar groups in the Groups section of the Resource Center.
He is trapped in a mind control cult. He needs help. Keep your personal marriage vows; it is OK to be seperated. If he pursues a divorce, proceed with discernment. Try to seek to get him out. I would suggst that you learn as much there is to know about this system. It sounds like he is in bww, so check out my site (www.bwwsot.blogspot.com), also, check out the other sites in the links section. Try to get the help you need. There are a lot of people here that will support you.
Peace be with you,
X
Frustrated Wife,
Sorry to hear about your situation. I hope things work out for you.
ProQuixtar folks, I know "your upline" isn't like this but it sure seems that there are enough of them around that ends up ruining people's lives. That and the fact that the majority of IBO's are not making money. It appears that the QMO's are a recipe for disaster.
Joe,
It sounds like FW is in Larry Winters group, the same group as Tony.
X> Joe,
It sounds like FW is in Larry Winters group, the same group as Tony.
Joe> But it can't be, Tony SAID his upline isn't like that. LOL
I have been praying over my marriage, and praying for the right person to come to my husband's life. His father is a pastor and has been helping me out to get through and has tried to reach out to my husband. He will not listen; He's completely blind about it. I want to help him, I don't want to see him ruining his life, but I know that he doesn't want to be called a quitter... His upline turned our marriage into a competition from the moment my husband told him that my real estate business was doing well... I have been called negative, unsupportive, non Christian, looser, so many things by my husband and his upline... and Yes.. My husband is in the Larry Winters team.. The guy that worked in the car wash and the wife that was the cashier ... the ones that tell the story about how broke and poor the were.. but it didn't matter cause the dream was bigger.. The couple that tell people.. "Buy all your needs online"... "if we don't have it, you don't need it" ... It's ok not to pay your electrical bill sometimes.. It’s more important to make to the convention of the year... what you are getting back is priceless... PRICELESS????!!! My husband didn't have any debt before this business.. no credit cards, nothing.. NOW.. he has more debt that you can imagine.. My husband has told my little girl who is 6 years old that Daddy is going Diamond and what that happens, she will get her own farm , horses, etc.. My husband doesn't look healthy either.. he hardly sleeps.. his meetings go all night... and then he has to work next morning... he hardly eats regular food, so he can have the points he eats protein bars, meal replacement shakes, etc... I don't know what else to do... I'm in desperate need...
Ohh yeah one more thing... I have caught my husband many times taking money out of my daughter's piggy bank to pay for his weekly meetings... his only response.. SHE WILL GET IT BACK IN BIG...
Do you think that if Quixtar was a NORMAL, CHRISTIAN business this would be happening?... I'm not the only one.. I know for fact...
Tony> Welcome new critbots. Interested in accurate and thorough information for the public? Try www.thisbiznow.com, and www.quixtarfacts.com. Average incomes, and percentages are also publicly released, Brian. So what is Qx doing that is so clandestine?
Oh, and I own my own business? It's not a building, its web-based.
I have customers, and other owners as part of my business. How bout you?
Me>I checked those websites out already, and they didn't tell me anything positive about the company if you interpret the numbers. Yay for them releasing a few numbers, it still doesn't mean that they aren't completely pulling the wool over the eyes of every IBO they recruit. The fact is, the statement that the 2-5 year 5-10 hr/week system is a "proven technique" is an outright lie, since from what information anyone has been able to gather, Quixtar has NOT had any Quixtar-only diamonds in its 5 year span (although ibofacts.com seems to suggest that the chance of you getting to Diamond is just as likely as it might be in any small business... 0?). Not to mention the misleading statements regarding sales growth of the company made to new IBOs considering the fact that the company made no sales growth over last year. This doesn't even mention the entirely frivolous acts such as filing law suits and subpoenas at dissenters, google-bombing, and blog-spamming (no advertising...?).
In my opinion, Quixtar is just as immoral as Enron, fleecing its cheering public all the way to the poorhouse.
As for what you "own", be cautious with the quixtar propaganda. From what I can tell, you're a licensed seller of quixtar merchandise through the quixtar portal, none of which you own - and at any time, as far as I have been able to tell. Please do not lump yourself into the same category as legitimate online retailers who do own their own website.
Your customers are the same as the customers I come into contact with in my part-time retail experience. Often, I provide personalized recommendations to repeat customers as well as family and friends. I worked 5 hours per week (5 hours which, in fact, I picked and my employer agreed upon), and earned more gross salary than you do with Quixtar. True, I earned no commission off of the sales of my customers, but by providing them good service and honest questions to answers about my product (especially in comparison with other retailers - such as price matching), I earned repeat business and helped keep the company I worked for afloat. Will my salary grow at the promised exponential rate of Quixtar? No. It was never designed to either, but I still learned valuable tools about talking with people, negotiating, and selling - both product as well as myself. All without having to invest any money in proven tapes, books, or other tools.
I've moved past that now. I put myself through a masters engineering program, and my starting salary is a paltry $70K. I'm currently exploring an entrepreneurship opportunity in the form of a medical imaging equipment company for a novel x-ray technique with a former professor. According to the SBA statistics that Quixtar-junkies quote, I have a 5% chance of success - 1 out of 20. According to the statistics of Quixtar IBOs, you have a 0.0176% chance of success, and only a 0.042% (1 in 2,380) chance to make Emerald and achieve the salary that I'll be enjoying at my J.O.B.
Is FW Pam Winters? Then what are we talking about? My upline ISN'T like that. So this guy in on the Winters team. Along with me and 20,000 OTHER people and those are just the ones going to conferences. Larry probably has 60,000 people in his group!
My local team SPECIFICALLY teaches NOT to buy your way into a qualifier! If your team is not at 1000pv, you may not be ready to go to a 1000 and above.
I can't speak for what this guys sponsor is teaching him. All I know is what I'm learning from my local team and the other Opens I've traveled to. Thats why they tell you not to counsel with crossline people, 'cause different teams do different things. And if this guys sponsor is telling him to buy 1000pv worth of stuff and to give his wife an ultimatum or totally neglect her, thats NOT what my team is teaching.
Frustrated Wife, I suggest you take X's advice and NOT get divorced. I don't know what specific team your husband is on, but on my local team there are Many good people. I really think that if you just went to a couple more meetings, you'd see a different side. Yes, there are some people who "look-up" to the Diamonds and Emeralds. Some teams place too much emphasis on material things and such. You can't let some people's "overzealous" enthusiam turn you off to a good opportunity.
I've seen Many people who have thanked this business to saving their marriage. I've also seen wifes, girlfriends, etc. who felt like you at 1st, but gave the team a real chance and saw the real heart of the PEOPLE in the business.
You can't just come to 2-3 meetings and then make a decision on Everyone in the business. Not to mention most meetings in the beginning are going to appeal to the masses - they're gonna focus on money, and the lifestyle of the big Diamonds. I can understand why you saw it as "idiots worshipping the big guys".
I realize the Big Pins have more experience than me, read more books, helped more people, etc. - but I DO NOT worship them.
I'm sorry your husband has "gone nuts" over Colgate - it sounds crazy. I wasn't there, so I'm not defending his behavior, cause I don't know what it was.
But I do know this: if your sister was a Real Estate agent, and you guys decided to buy/sell a house, and he went out and got some agent on his own, you'd be a little upset probably. Or if you owned a small bakery, but he insisted on buying from the bakery he always has across the street... you might feel a little betrayed.
Can you imagine the wife of a guy who owns a Jiffy Lube getting her oil changed at CarX? Well FW, whether you recognize it or not, your husband owns his own business. And just like Golden State Foods supplies the guy who owns the McDonalds down the street, Quixtar is the supplier of Your Husbands online business. Qx sells Glister, Colgate is your husbands competition.
Man if I'm a new guy, and I went over my sponsor's house and saw Colgate - Huh! I'm losing faith in this guy quick! I'm probably not gonna listen to a dam thing This guy says - he's a fake!
Its OK that he's given up TV for YOU! Don't you understand he's building it for you and the kids, have you ever asked him that? I don't support or teach neglecting the family. My local team teaches to make time for your family too, but you do have to make some sacrifices, but NOT your marriage. I've said this before, I have specifically heard 3 local Rubies say, don't go Diamond at the expense of your marriage. Make time for family, but being at Every T-ball game is not going to help you get ahead financially. I know its a sacrifice, but if you supported him and Helped him do this business, it would Grow a Heck of alot faster for you.
My sponser and his wife are in their early-mid 20's and are making $2500 a month!! After 3 years! There's no reason why He and You can't do the same.
You have to stick it out, and just give the team another chance. Go to the Opens for just 1 month, stay for the Night Owl, go to one Major Conference. Get to know one of the ladies in your upline. Tell her about your concerns. Its OK to tell your upline you don't like something. Go ahead and vent. A good mentor will listen, and maybe be able to shed light from a different perspective.
But FW, whatever you do, don't think Divorce is the only option, and don't blame all 360,000+ IBOs in Quixtar for your husband's misguided behavior. If you want to email me to curse me out, or to get deeper into his behavior, maybe I can give you more sugestions to help. I hate to see people Not do what I see being taught. I hope I can help. I'm sorry for your pain, I hope it gets better for you both.
(tonyqibo@yahoo.com)
In the meantime FW, please visit:
www.thisbiznow.com and
www.quixtarfacts.com
Good luck.
Tony, you are a one track moron. Have you even gone 4000 PV yet? I know, I know, if you just listen to a few more tapes, attend one more function.
Your sponsor and his wife--$2500 a month for the two of them after three years of business-building? That's their PROFIT, right? Because if it isn't, that money could easily be reduced by excessive online product purchases, out-of-town meetings with hotel accommodations, motivational books and tapes, etc. etc. $30,000 a year is not going to put these guys on the Love Boat with the Extreme Freedom Team anytime soon.
True believer, no actually after 2 years of building the business, 3 years of just being registered, see the 1st year he didn't do much. She wasn't even around the 1st year, now the last 1-1.5 years she's been pretty active too! Hotel/travel is all a business right off, and its helps their business grow, so that down the road they make even more. Anytime soon? He's 9,000pv with 2 guys ready to hit Silver in the next 4-6 months. Possibly Emerald by next year! Thats "freedom team" and sooner than you!
Geez Tony, you should become intelligent enough to know the proper spelling of "WRITE OFF" before you actually attempt to claim one.
Do you see what your rinkt dink business is doing to people? Where is Larry Winters to reassure this dude's wife that it will all work out? You know what?
He won't. Because he knows damn well it won't be all right, and he also knows damn well that the odds are supremely stacked against him. Larry Winter's couldn't give a fiddler's fart what happens in his downline's personal lives. He really doesn't love you Tony.
I would imagine if we had 100 fired up IBO's in front of us right now, 99.9 of them would say they will be silver in the next 4-6 months.
You are nothing more than a member of a buying club. At least a normal buying club gets good prices and no motivation pushed down their throat.
"There's a sucker born every minute" - P.T. Barnum
How's it feel to be one Tony?
Hey rocket, your teacher just blew the whissle, your recess is over. If you're done calling names, and pointing out mispellings due to being in a hurry, then maybe you can correct your own typos Mr.RinktDink.
I'm not saying I'm gonna be silver in 4-6 months. With some XS member/client stuff I've got going on, as well as a new guy that just joined my team, he and I Could be. But probably not with solid structure. HOWEVER, the 2 guys I'm talking about on my sponsors team are both around 4,000pv! I think Them saying Silver in 4-6 is pretty realistic!
And once again you presumptuous pr!ck - don't pretend to know the hearts and thoughts of other people.
Why don't you and df go back to lighting farts and playing with sh!t in a box.
Tony> I have specifically heard 3 local Rubies say, don't go Diamond at the expense of your marriage.
Joecool18> Tony, that's what they say, but if it comes down to missing a function or taking your wife to dinner, those same rubies will likely tell you not to miss a function.
Tony> Make time for family, but being at Every T-ball game is not going to help you get ahead financially.
Joe> True, and upline will also tell you that attending your kid's birthday parties and school functions won't help you financially either so you may as well attend a function instead.
Tony> I know its a sacrifice, but if you supported him and Helped him do this business, it would Grow a Heck of alot faster for you.
Joe> No it won't because it's proven by numbers provided by quixtar that for every success in quixtar, there must be many failures. Tony calls it working your way up, but the bottom line is while you are workin your way up, you are losing money. And in FW's case, the husband's business is not growing despite his efforts.
Hey Tony,
If the concept is "Buy from yourself and teach others to do the same", why would you need a tape or cd each week and a monthly function with 4 major functions to teach you such a simple concept??
Could this not be taught by simply having a
checklist of things to do?
I know the CD's and tapes and seminars do not teach you how to file business taxes, how to analyze profit and losses, how to cut expenses. The CD's and tapes are more focused on how to stalk people at book stores and stories of diamonds who were broke until they finally saw the light and made it.
It's more like the continuing flow of tools allows the bigger pins to profit at the expense of the downline.
Tony,
What you said to Frustrated Wife was totally out of line! TDo you not see that this is yet ANOTHER life that this business have effectively ruined? And you are sitting here trying to tell her that she does not understand? You are right about one thing, she does not. She does not understand how the hero of life of 8 years has become a fool in finance following a pipe dream that statistics show happens for less than 1 in 10,000 people. She has found her husband stealing from his daughter, giving up the family, exploding over toothpaste, and for the life of her, she does not understand.
Congratulations, you win the award for the most inappropriate behavior I have ever seen on this site! Why do you continue to justify a business that fleeces so many people? Why do you assume that it is good? I am willing to bet that if I go to your team, I will find the same things, but you simply choose not to see them.
Now, Frustrated wife,
Call off the pastor!! Your husband will not listen to reason right now. He needs help. I suggest that you get a copy of "Releasing the Bonds, by Steve Hassan. I will even put up the money for it if you want me to. His father talking to him out right is going to draw him closer into the business unless he understands. Direct the pastor to my site so that he might get a grip on the teaching that they are doing. Pass an email to Steve Hassan and see what he thinks. Get proactive. Your husband is not lost for good, but he needs help.
X
Tony, I have something to ask of you.
I haven't sparred with you yet, and please understand that this post is not intended to start a match, so-to-speak.
You obviously believe in the 'business.'
If you have any shred of true goodwill in yourself towards your fellow mankind, do the following.
Just simply stop trying to help out people like 'FRUSTRATED WIFE!!' by giving them more thoughts and ideas from the business.
In cases where there is division in the relationship, more of the business will not help. It will only hurt.
Yes I know you believe in it and quite likely you want to actually help. From the exposure and experience that I have had, please recommend that people seek true professional marriage counseling, not '[go] to a couple more meetings', this will not truly help their marriage. Even if others have stated that the business 'saved theirs'.
Reading books - proper books - is a good idea, but it is an inadequate substitute for real counseling and guidance. Getting marriage advice from people trying to build a business is not very wise. They are not professionals and they may know how to build the business, but they are not fit to give true and proper marriage guidance. Their business is to build a business, not provide counseling and guidance. I know because I have been there and gone through counseling and benefitted greatly in my marriage.
Please try to help these people by offering sound advice. I beg of you.
Cliff
Tony I find it disturbing that you sympathised with frustrated wife's frustration with her husband throwing out Colgate toothpaste but you didn't pass comment on the disgusting fact that he steals from his own daughters piggy bank!
Do you think that's normal and christian too?
I don't really want to get involved in marriage counseling, so I will make a quick remark about Glister over Colgate.
Glister is not approved by the American Dental Association. Colgate, along with most other name brands, is. Might not seem like a big deal, but when a toothpaste has been around as long as glister and still hasn't met the ADA requirements, it can't be that good
"My sponser and his wife are in their early-mid 20's and are making $2500 a month!! After 3 years! There's no reason why He and You can't do the same."
$2500?!? A JOINT INCOME OF $2500!
People give up their jobs for that?!? Jesus.
I don't know what's worse -- the unfortunate position that FW is in, or the fact that Tony doesn't see any of this type of heartache coming his way.
The whole thing sucks.
And it sucks even more when people promote the business without understanding what it is really about.
Tony,
Maybe the "leades" could offer to outlay some cash to repair the damage to marriage that your "business" has caused.
Yes, it was caused by your "business" The bad part is, you don't think that's possible. You don't get it at all. I get what you're saying. Yes yes, anyone can get rich, it's so simple......proven pattern............my group is completely ethical.......blah blah....very few people attain black belt....blah...........someone with guts to build this business.....retailing my XS...........blah blah blah.
It's pretty clear to anyone who thinks for themself what the problem is.
You can't, so you don't. Frustrated Wife is NOT the exception dude. This is going on everywhere that Quixtar motivational organizations rear their deceptive faces.
If being a presumptuous prick is seeing the truth for what it is, so be it, that's what I am. that's what everyone is who chooses to have an awareness of what's going on.
You're the one getting screwed over, not me, not anyone else with their own brain.
I noticed that Tony's answer to her problems was to have her attend a few more meetings. Amazing. If you just attend a few more meetings buy some more overpriced crap everything will work out.
...if you stop finding problems then the problems go away.
You know what else is sick in all this? That when Tony read that this woman was having marital problems, he tried to swoop in by giving her his email address.
Word cannot describe what a scumbucket move that was.
I think Cliff's response has been the most level here so far. He's said it so well, I can only nod my agreement.
FW, you're not alone. No matter who says what about their situation, you have to know you're not the first nor only person in BWW who has had marital problems. For all the thousands of people there are in BWW, it's extremely unlikely that there would be only ONE couple in distress.
I'm glad you've found this site. MLMSurvivors will have more information for you. The links to Stephen Hassan given earlier in the post are also a great place to start.
Now, you've reached out and asked for help. Please, take the next step, for your own peace, and seek help from professionals. I know you're hurting. It's apparent in your post. No matter what the cause of this distress, my words would be the same... Quixtar, Football, Hunting, any traditional job, a traditional family business, whatever... you need to talk to someone who can truly help you get through this situation.
I wish you well.
Imanewme
God #1
Spouse #2
Family #3
Job #4
Quixtar #5
This is what bill britt himself taught when I was in the business.
From what I gather, Frustrated wife and her kids are a but higher on priority yet Tony is telling her to attend a function to try and understand. Why not the IBO stop attending quixtar meetings for a while so he can understand what they are feeling?
Joecool18> Tony, that's what they say, but if it comes down to missing a function or taking your wife to dinner, those same rubies will likely tell you not to miss a function.
Tony> listen to yourself Joe. Conferences come along ONCE every 3-4 months!! How bout taking your wife to dinner the week before or after?! The women I know would rather have their husband building the business, and getting them free than missing an entire weekend conference for a Friday night dinner! Try telling your boss you can't go to some conference because you and the wife are having dinner.
Joe> True, and upline will also tell you that attending your kid's birthday parties and school functions won't help you financially either so you may as well attend a function instead.
T> Once again Joe. My brother attends quarterly conferneces for his job all over the US. Try telling your boss you can't make one cause of a b-day party. I Never had a b-day party on my birthday, and my parents weren't IBOs. We celebrated my birthday when it meshed with my dad's work, and usually sometime between mine, and my sister's b-day! Kids are happy with gifts and a party, it doesn't have to be on the exact day! Once again try telling your boss you can't go to an industry conference because of a party! Good luck with that one!
Joe> If the concept is "Buy from yourself and teach others to do the same", why would you need a tape or cd each week and a monthly function with 4 major functions to teach you such a simple concept??
T> Joe for being an old 4000 pin you aren't very knowledgable. Thats about as stupid as someone saying to an NFL player, "if the concept is to put the ball in the endzone, why do you guys need to go to camps and practice so hard all the time?"
X, if you had any clue, and were any judge of character you would see that I am sincerely trying to help.
And for every couple that you say has been 'ruined by Qx', I can show you 10 who's marriage has become Stronger because of the association of this team! But it takes two! Its like only the wife or husband going to marriage counseling without their spouse. It works better when Both are there.
Cliff, Yes, they can/should go to a professional counselor, but DO NOT write-off the personal mentors in this business. My team has several couples who are Excellent at counseling couples that are having struggles in the marriage. A piece of paper on the wall does not make you an excellent couselor- experience, and knowledge passed on does!
The people I deal with care about people. If there's a marriage problem, their goal is to solve the problem, not pump more PV out of them. There are people in this business more qualified to give marriage advice than some 'professionals', and thats the truth!
Lisa, without a doubt he should not be taking money from her piggy bank. He should also not ignore his wife or kids. I don't ignore my friends and family. And we don't teach those things. She needs to talk to their sponsors wife and address her concerns with her. If FW is just not getting thru to him, his mentors will. My team would not condone such behavior! I do my 100points, I don't have a piggy bank to steal from.
aIBO, I have never had a cavity since using Glister toothpaste. So do not say 'it can't be that good' just because we haven't paid for the ADA logo. Can you tell me what the ADA is made up of and how they make money? Its made up of dentists. Do you understand that medical professionals, including dentists are "lobbied" by companies to promote their products. Is Glister ever going to do that? No.
Read this from the ADA website:
"All rights to use the ADA Seal are governed solely by a separate license agreement between the ADA and the manufacturer or distributor of an Accepted product. The ADA Seal of Acceptance may not be used on or in connection with a product until after it has been granted the Seal of Acceptance by the Council on Scientific Affairs and only after a license agreement has been signed. Upon termination or expiration of the ADA license agreement, regardless of cause, all rights of a company to use the ADA Seal immediately cease."
Gee, why does the ADA license expire? I wonder what one of these licenses costs? Qx is Known for its high quality products and processes from its vitamins to its toothpaste. Nutrilite produces vitamins above industry standards at pharmaceutical grade levels. Its very foolish to imply Qx products are anything but high quality.
ChrisA, do you understand that the $2500 is on the side! They both go to school and/or work Fulltime!! That's just in about 10-15 hrs a week spare time and no offense to her, but he basically got their himself. Do you understand that when they break 2 silvers in the next 6 months that there income is gonna more than double! At Ruby they'll make close to $5,000 a month! More at Saphire, and when they have a 3rd Platinum, and go Emerald by the time he's 24. They'll be making in the 6-figure range!! Don't tell me you wouldn't put 10-15 hrs a week to make an extra $2500 residual that would grow to an extra $5,000, and $10,000 a month!
And df, you lowlife piece of scum! This type of heartache will NEVER come my way! Because the team that I am a part of is an awesome group of people, and I won't behave the way some people (including some of You people) have. My future wife and I will share the same dreams, and will build it together, and will be considerate and supportive to each other, our children, friends and family.
No, What Really Sucks is when negative, bitter, half-educated skeptics like YOU bash the business and the people without knowing what they're really about!!
Once again, for every couple you show that has had marital strife due to only one spouse being pro-Qx, there are 10 that have had their marriages strengthened by being a part of a good team.
"Once again, for every couple you show that has had marital strife due to only one spouse being pro-Qx, there are 10 that have had their marriages strengthened by being a part of a good team."
I think you have that backwards Poorhouse Tony.
When this comes around to bit you, and it will come around eventually, I will laugh.
I am not one to root against anyone Tony, but you are the exception.
Congratulations and look out for that reality check -- it is gonna be a doozy!
Tony,
I've been reading stories on this board. I've read countless accounts of people who were hurt by the motivational organizations, including BWW (I believe this is your organization).
You claim for every marriage hurt, you can produce 10 who say their marriage is stronger?
Ok Tony, I challenge you to have those 10 people come on this board to share those testimonials. Maybe that will help someone like FW.
What say you Tony?
Tony,
I sincerly hope that you are holding a shovel, because you are just digging a real deep pit that you will not recover from. You want to help? Send your profits to FW to pay her daughter back...thats right, you don't HAVE any profits. When you will see that your working this cult is not working? Quit drinking the Kool-aid and wash the suds out of your eyes, man! This system is HURTING PEOPLE!!!
T>And for every couple that you say has been 'ruined by Qx', I can show you 10 who's marriage has become Stronger because of the association of this team!
X> let me see the facts. Post them.
T>Nutrilite produces vitamins above industry standards at pharmaceutical grade levels.
X>Tony, as a professional in that particular field, I will tell you that NO THEY DO NOT!! Q goes OUT OF THE WAY to show why Nutralite is natural, organic, etc. Pharmaceulticals are prepared SYNTHETICALLY, which most vitmin companies will not endorse (for no real reaon at all; a molecule is a molecule no matter the source).
T>And df, you lowlife piece of scum! This type of heartache will NEVER come my way! Because the team that I am a part of is an awesome group of people, and I won't behave the way some people (including some of You people) have. My future wife and I will share the same dreams, and will build it together, and will be considerate and supportive to each other, our children, friends and family.
X> Please post your whole LOS from your sponsor up and we will see if anyone else has a different opinion.
T>Once again, for every couple you show that has had marital strife due to only one spouse being pro-Qx, there are 10 that have had their marriages strengthened by being a part of a good team.
X> Once again, post the data for this.
To resurrect an old phrase: Got Cult?
Tony> listen to yourself Joe. Conferences come along ONCE every 3-4 months!! How bout taking your wife to dinner the week before or after?! The women I know would rather have their husband building the business, and getting them free than missing an entire weekend conference for a Friday night dinner! Try telling your boss you can't go to some conference because you and the wife are having dinner.
Joe> Tony, you're not really qualified to make this statement unless you are working the business "hard core". From experience, I recall upline saying that people who are not hard core, are taught differently and are given more leeway. Once you are committed, NOTHING should interfere with the business.
T> Joe for being an old 4000 pin you aren't very knowledgable. Thats about as stupid as someone saying to an NFL player, "if the concept is to put the ball in the endzone, why do you guys need to go to camps and practice so hard all the time?"
Joe> Tony, please don't make silly analogies, NFL players are paid millions of dollars to get that ball in the end zone. Most IBO's are paying for the priviledge of attending the functions and listening for tapes. You can call it working your way up but I call it losing money in a poor business opportunity.
By the way Tony, got any of those 10 successful couples to post their testimonials yet?
This subject hits very close to home for me, so I will "de-lurk" for a while. I agree with the posters who have advocated professional help for FW. I was a "fired up", plugged in, counseling with my upline, IBO wife. The advice that I got only made me co-dependant on my Husband and him co-dependant on the system/upline. I was absolutely miserable on the inside, but nobody on our "team" knew it, as far as they knew, the system had made our marriage stronger. This was not true, but I had to keep that fact hidden so that I did not discourage anyone else on the team because of MY problems. My upline lady was not of much help either. Her basic advice was to stay "plugged in" to the system and that everything would work out. Meanwhile, I would struggle not to weep uncontrollably at every function, rally, open and board plan I attended. To not embarrass myself (or my H) I stopped going. I was very unhappy, partially, because I was stuck in dead end jobs during our time in Amquix. It did not help that jobs are so put down and the concept of "getting your wife free" is so lauded in the biz. I felt trapped and angry that my H did not care enough to get this thing done for me. Problem was, on his end, that he was doing everything he could to make it happen, it just wasn't happening. I finally decided it was time for me to do what I wanted with my life (going back to school), but being the good little Ambot, I called my upline lady first. I was told that going back to school would not make me happy and that I would end up not working in the field I wanted to anyway. She did not care that I was unhappy, she just wanted to keep me in!
We are still married because we did get some professional help. This also led us out of the business. I'm still in what I would call a "dead end" job, but I am going back to school for the career I've always wanted. I am so much happier now, and I can barely remember the last time I felt resentful or angry with my spouse, he's my best friend again. I would definitely not advise counseling upline for marriage issues, they only know about their warped idea of marriage, which is a miserable experience, let me tell you.
Tony, I know you will say this is not taught on YOUR team. That may be so, but this was what was taught from stage in my organization and from Bill Britt himself. There is a lot that goes on behind closed doors in marriages, we were often noted by our upline in the smaller meetings as a great couple with a good marriage. Nobody, except our upline, knew how messed up we really were. I believe that you are sincerely trying to help FW, I know because I would have done and said the same things you did to try and help, because I believed it was the right thing. I thought I was wrong, that I needed to be "fixed" somehow, to be happy like the other wives. After reading the testimonials here (forum) and on Amquix.info, I realize that I wasn't the only one.
FW, you are not alone. I will pray for you and your H.
Guys I have been posting on this site since April, and not ONCE have I mentioned anyones name in my local personal team. I haven't even specified my upline Diamond other than to say my upline DD is Joe M. If you haven't figured it out, I'm not gonna give the name of my sponsor, my local Ruby, Emerald etc. Especially not the names of local crossline who have stronger marriages now because of the people on this team.
I don't care if you don't believe they exist, I see them and hear them talk every week! I can't control what they do. I'm not gonna say to a C/L hey come to this site and tell you story and then let a bunch of low-life negative, scum of the earth, doochbags blast you and your dreams! LOL! Yea, sign me up for that one!
X, do not pretend for 1 second that since Double X vitamins are all natural, and organic, that they cannot be held to pharmaceutical grade quality levels!! Thats absolutely absurd! And there are plenty of studies that show natural, organic vitamins are better than ones synthetically produced in a lab! Try selling someone fish or vegetables that have been cloned in a lab. I'll stick with the natural organic ones!
Joe, I've been in for close to 2 years and have been granted permission in the past to go to 4000pv and above nightowls with emeralds and diamonds. The teaching is more bold, but they still don't say to neglect your family. Yes the business is a priority, you don't miss an Open to play in a Thursday night softball league! But you still make sure things are good at home. But a very small% of people are building it too hard. Most still make it a hobby.
And my analogy is right on! You tried to over-simplify the business and make it seem unnecessary for any type of training. I don't think you need to buy 7 tapes a week or read every waking hour. But I don't ahve a problem with people listening to SOT, or reading a book a month, or going to a seminar if they choose to do so!
Call it losing money all you want Joe. I could say the same with the $70,000 I spent on College!! But I chose to call it an investment!! My sponsor 2 years ago was making like $50 month!! After expenses he was "losing money" according to you, but according to Him, he was INVESTING money, and NOW he's getting return!!
Larry Winters said his 1st month as a qualified Diamond paid for every tape and seminar he ever went to!!
and df, why do you root against me? What the h#ll have I done to you! All I've ever done is defended this business. I don't force my people to buy CDs or go to functions. I focus on retailing XS and gift albums, and open up the opportunity to people who are interested. If they are, I help them, if not, thats cool too. I still am friends with people who have said no, and even those you said yes, but then quit! The same goes for my family! So what the h#ll have I ever done to deserve to be rooted against?? I'll tell you - NOTHING!! You're just a low-life pathetic excuse for a man. You get off on tearing people down. But guess what, I still don't wish ill upon you! But I AM tired of your BS negative bashing toward me, along with some others here...
So to quote Scarface from "Half-baked":
"F#ck you, F#ck you, F#ck you, You're cool, F#ck you - I'm OUT!
Just to clarify, not everyone her is a negative scumbag, etc. (especially TD) I appreciate her post (just read it) and others who post like her. But the truth is like Scott said on another post there are WAY too many negative stereotypes and they are Mainly coming from the Critics!!
The people on my team are not lying about there marriage, so are too new to even think about it. They're just speaking from their heart saying what their marriage used to be like, and now how this opportunity has brought them closer! Given them a common goal. TD I wish you success in whatever you do. And I'm glad you see that your husband WAS trying to get you free. So how can you blame the business for you getting mad at him for not trying harder to get it done, when you now see he Was? At the last nightowl I was at we talked along these very lines! I think we helped some ladies who felt that way. You should love your husband for who he is and how he loves you and not how many plans he's showing. Thats a quote! Guys, I'm sorry, but there's JD, WF, and TD. And you can't even blame Qx for TD's struggles. Thats 3 couples, and I've just seen WAY too many more that have been helped, and not to mention singles who have been helped in their lives too.
Tony,
Comparing a Quixtar conference to an industry conference for your boss is not even close to accurate. I am a member of the IEEE, an organization that is committed to bringing lifelong education into the field of electrical and electronics engineers. They sponser numerous publications, hold conferences all over the world, and urge their members to attend when possible. I pay my dues, and have subscribed to several of the publications, as has my wife, who is also a member. The difference here is that as IEEE members, we are expected to educate ourselves within our means, and often our employers will fit the bill for us to attend a conference. In graduate school, I attended one conference sponsered by the IEEE that was entirely paid for by my university. My wife has attended three since she started working in the industry, all sponsored by her employer. Does Quixtar pay you for attending MANY more conferences? Does spending $200 a month on tapes and books bring in more than $200 in profit? In my opinion, an IBO shouldn't need to spend as much per month as a graduate student in electrical engineering spends per year on educational material in their field.
Tony> "All rights to use the ADA Seal are governed solely by a separate license agreement between the ADA and the manufacturer or distributor of an Accepted product. The ADA Seal of Acceptance may not be used on or in connection with a product until after it has been granted the Seal of Acceptance by the Council on Scientific Affairs and only after a license agreement has been signed. Upon termination or expiration of the ADA license agreement, regardless of cause, all rights of a company to use the ADA Seal immediately cease."
Me> Do you see the part where every license may not be used until after acceptance by the Council on Scientific Affairs. Im no expert in ADA licensing, but Im willing to bet that the ADA seal is used mostly to show that the product makes no blatant lies or false promises about the performance of their product. Yes, the toothpaste companies pay for the licensing; I have no idea what it costs, nor do I care, unless it can be shown that the ADA seal of approval is being used on a product that makes unsound scientific claims. Do not read into what the ADA logo promises for the product. If you find a toothpaste that has the ADA seal of approval and claims to "repair DNA" - contact the ADA immediately! (The last statement was a tongue-in-cheek example, I do not expect any toothpaste to repair DNA, nor do I believe that Glister claims to repair DNA)
Tony> My sponser and his wife are in their early-mid 20's and are making $2500 a month!! After 3 years! There's no reason why He and You can't do the same.
...
Do you understand that when they break 2 silvers in the next 6 months that there income is gonna more than double! At Ruby they'll make close to $5,000 a month! More at Saphire, and when they have a 3rd Platinum, and go Emerald by the time he's 24. They'll be making in the 6-figure range!! Don't tell me you wouldn't put 10-15 hrs a week to make an extra $2500 residual that would grow to an extra $5,000, and $10,000 a month!
Me> Emeralds do not, in general, make six-figure incomes. The average Emerald nets slightly more than $70,000 from the business, and probably has to work more than 10-15 hours per week for it. Although your sponser may still be selling you $200 worth of PDPs/Tools every month too, and of course speaking at conferences. Maybe all that residual highway robbery will put him over $100,000. I hope he's one of the lucky 206 out of 380,000 that make it to Emerald and higher!
Tony> So how can you blame the business for you getting mad at him for not trying harder to get it done, when you now see he Was? At the last nightowl I was at we talked along these very lines! I think we helped some ladies who felt that way. You should love your husband for who he is and how he loves you and not how many plans he's showing.
TD> Tony, I did and do love my H regardless of what he was or was not doing in the biz. I never said that I didn't love him. You can be angry and hurt and have problems in your marriage and still love the person. I stayed married to him through 11 years of this. Sheesh! But that does not erase the fact that I was miserable and hurting that whole time.
Tony> Guys, I'm sorry, but there's JD, WF, and TD. And you can't even blame Qx for TD's struggles.
TD> Yes you can. What gave you that idea? Our problems were directly related to our AMO and Qx. Once we were out, things have been incredibly better! I don't think that's a coincidence.
"the last nightowl I was at we talked along these very lines! I think we helped some ladies who felt that way. You should love your husband for who he is and how he loves you and not how many plans he's showing. Thats a quote! "
Tony, does it bother you that that even needed to get said? Since you like analogies so much, here's one.
Suppose someone in an office environment put a sign on the breakroom refrigerator that said "Don't Steal People's Lunches!" Wouldn't that tell you that people's lunches have gotten stolen in the past? Because, really, who needs to be told not to steal? Well, Tony, you see where I'm going with this...
[b]X, if you had any clue, and were any judge of character you would see that I am sincerely trying to help.
~Tony[/b]
I believe you, Tony.
Unfortunately, this is what makes you and your ilk so dangerous. Most of us have some form of built-in radar that alerts us to shysters and con-men.
Just as a true psychopath can often 'fool' the lie detector, 'true believers' fly in under our radar since they are so obviously sincere.
FW- both X and TD offered some good advice. I am married to an 'IBO', too (yup, BWW), and yup, been bankrupted and nearly divorced thanks to this business (of course, DH says that the business merely 'brought to the surface' the issues that were already there - a partial truth, and one useful for obfuscating the whole story).
Our story is not over, but I am very thankful that we have remained true to our vow to the Lord and each other.
Please hang in there, prayerfully consider how to go about 'de-programming' your husband, consider GODLY counsel, and don't forget to be sure to 'guard your own heart, for it is the well-spring of life' - it is so easy to sink into bitterness when it seems 'so obvious' to you what is going on.
Funny, Brain,
Here is a claim:
"Double X Protects DNA
In randomized testing, 120 subjects were given Double X, daily, for 6 weeks. Blood samples were taken at baseline and week 6. Everyone taking Double X showed improvement in DNA stability in just 6 weeks. People in the test group who had pre-existing DNA damage showed an even greater improvement."
Source:
http://www.quixtar.com/products/product.aspx?itemno=A4300
Funny,
I checked the PubMed database that we use for our research article documention. I was only able to find ONE article about double X: and it was a NEGGY!! Here is the reference:$
Ann Pharmacother. 2003 Jan;37(1):83-6
Here is the abstract:
OBJECTIVE: To describe the case of an elderly patient who experienced hepatic enzyme elevations and symptoms of hepatitis associated with the administration of a dietary supplement. CASE SUMMARY: A 92-year-old white woman with no history of hepatic disease developed jaundice and increased confusion associated with increased hepatic enzymes. The hepatitis panel, abdominal ultrasound, and antinuclear antibody screen indicated no abnormalities. A drug regimen review revealed that the patient was receiving a dietary supplement, Nutrilite Double X Multivitamin-Multimineral. Following discontinuation of the supplement, the patient's symptoms resolved and the hepatic enzymes decreased or returned to the reference range at evaluations occurring 1 week and 1 month after intervention. An objective causality assessment revealed this to be a probable adverse drug event. DISCUSSION: While the association of certain herbal preparations with hepatotoxicity has been demonstrated, the potential for this adverse effect is easily overlooked. In this patient, infectious or autoimmune causes of acute hepatitis were ruled out, and drug-induced causes were considered. The resolution of symptoms and laboratory values following discontinuation of the supplement support a relationship between the dietary supplement and this episode of hepatitis. CONCLUSIONS: Our case indicates that there was a probable relationship between the dietary supplement Nutrilite Double X Multivitamin-Multimineral and the development of acute hepatitis. Due to the multi-ingredient formulation of the product, as well as lack of data describing manufacturing procedures, it is difficult to determine which component may be associated with this effect. Over-the-counter supplements should be considered as a part of the differential diagnosis in patients presenting with increased liver enzymes and related symptoms.
I have some questions for you, perhaps you can call Nutrilite for me: Where is the study published that claims DNA stability?
Next, what is DNA stability? I am a cancer researcher and I have never heard of that!
BTW, the pharmaceutical standard is exactly the opposite of the method used for processing of Nutrilite suppliments:
On purity:
Pharm: Get the compound and make it as close to pure (in excess of 99.99% in most cases) as you can possibly get it.
Nut: Through everything in the blender and let nothing out so as to concentrate all the things that we don't even know what they do.
On science:
Pharm: To understand everything there is to understand about that one compound.
Nut: To throw in everything regardless of what we know (or rather, don't know) about it.
Would you care to continue this debate in the forum? This could get cumbersome!
The anger and resentment in Poorhouse Tony's written tone is indictative of his underlying desperation.
What's that sound Tony? Oh yeah, its the sound of your reality check.
Its coming into your station at 3 mph. I don't think the thing has brakes!
300 mph -- not 3.
3 mph is the speed of Tony's bank account getting drained.
I use to like the pro's and cons you would sayabout quixtar,but now I see you for who you are. 2 years ago I came to your blog because of your wonderful sense of being not for or against quixtar. I just came back today and I'm shocked and dismayed at what you have become. quixtar qrush was right about you .I just had to see it for myself. hey everyone do you want to know about qblog? go to quixtar qrush web site en lighten you're self I can't believe in you any more Q.
Scott didn't write any post here about negative stereo types, QBlog did.
Do you read this blog Tony? Or just post ;)
Regarding FW, if your husband get a week off, just a week off of tapes, opens, uplines etc. And get a full sleep for few days, there is a very bright chance he can snap out of it.
We did, we couldn't go to few seminars due to border restrictions and it worked!
Xanadustc,
I would LOVE to continue this debate in the forum, but... what exactly are we debating? My post regarding a ficticious toothpaste that claimed to repair DNA was meant to poke fun at the Double X claim that it improves "DNA Stability". Thank you for your comment, as it provides some further information regarding the vacuity of their medical claims
You are a cancer researcher, I consider myself an electrical engineer, but am currently enrolled as a biomedical engineering graduate student at the UNC-Chapel Hill, and neither one of us is familiar with improvement in DNA stability. Does Double X contain a chemical which increases the production of DNA polymerase? I'd LOVE to know what that chemical was!
We could debate, but we'd most likely spend the entire time saying "EXACTLY! Those crazy Quixtar scientists!"
All I know is that during my time in the business and through this website, I've seen up close, and read about countless accounts of broken marriages, people being bankrupted by subscribing to the amquix tools business, many lies and a lot of deception. It seems that these tragic events occur in all lines of sponsorship. Whether it's BWW, WWDB, Network 21 or whatever system is out there, the destruction is there and there are countless numbers of testimonials to attest to this.
Seems like Tony is the one person who has a truly ethical upline, or at least he believes that he has the one and only ethical upline.
And while Quixtar the company may not be directly responsible, they certainly are guilty by neglecting to correct any of the wrongs.
Or as bill britt himself once said (I believe):
All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing. (quixtar not taking action againts the QMO's)
Regarding Imran's and Tony's recent posts, I probably should add a brief clarification.
Generally, I'm an observer who contributes the occasional post. Although I'm solidly in the critics corner, I do read a lot of stuff that I think goes over the top. I mentioned it in one of my posts, but didn't elaborate. I could, I suppose, cite a few future examples as I spot them. For the most part though, I prefer to remain an observer.
Tony> Call it losing money all you want Joe. I could say the same with the $70,000 I spent on College!! But I chose to call it an investment!! My sponsor 2 years ago was making like $50 month!! After expenses he was "losing money" according to you, but according to Him, he was INVESTING money, and NOW he's getting return!!
Joe> But Tony, the difference is that you finished college and you have a job now that allows you to own a home, to provide food for your family, and to pay the bills, have some fun. And not to mention at least half of the people you went to college with graduated and are doing the same. Also, the college gave you what they sold you on, which is an education.
In Quixtar, people keep paying for their education for many more years that college. The vast majority quit and out of those remaining, a few make it but the rest keep losing money year after year. Quixtar is selling freedom, "the dream", control of time and money, residual income. It's a business opportunity filled with false hopes and dreams. What was the debate you had with Lawdawg the other month? There are around 50 people currently qualified at diamond? Sounds like a pretty bad deal to me.
Regarding Imran's and Tony's recent posts, I probably should add a brief clarification.
I thought Tony referred Scott Larsen, author of amquix.info. Yeah try fantasizing Scott Larsen, QBlog and PW living as room-mates. It's fun.
Regarding College, Tony spent 50,000??? Holy Crap! My college is so not like that. I spent $5 for my Masters in Computer Sciences Degree. And guess what, it's what I make in few minutes.
Sure, some colleges charge too much, mine is not like that. And I'm not telling it's name either.
brilliant, Imran :)
Brian,
Clarification: When you mentioned the (I assume) joke about DNA repair and toothpaste, I thought it funny and directed that at you, but when I switched to the facts I stated, I meant that to be directed toward Tony. Sorry for the confusion.LOL
DNA polymerase is not the issue for DNA repair (that only elongates DNA from the template strand as you recall), for repair, the following enzymes are required:
O6-methylguanine methyltransferase for UV damage.
A host of three different enzymes (DNA glycosylase, AP endonuclease, Deoxyribosephosphodiesterase, DNA Polymerase, and Ligase) just for a Base excision repair
Just to name two systems....with that in mind, can we see the flaw in an undocumented 'DNA stability" study?
Again, those questions and the debate was directed to tony, not you.
X
Tony,
When you do well in college, you get recruited and paid for an advanced degree! I have gotten paid three times what my degree cost me just to keep working on a doctorate. So far, I am ahead buddy!
Xanadustc, upon review of my Genetics textbook, I see you are correct.
amquix.info is now on Godaddy.com, LOL
WhoIsYoDaddy
Tony,
I love the game of poker, play it quite often. So in that spirit I am calling what I believe to be your bluff. You say you will provide ten fixed marriages for every ruined marriage of the QMOs. For clarification a ruined marriage does not have to be a divorce. I will provide you with the person's story and either an e-mail to verify, or the link to where their story is so you can see it with your own two eyes. However, I expect this same thing in return, so I will start with TD's story, it is already here and you have even responded. So now I require your ten stories with proof. Post it here or send me an e-mail, it doesn't really matter. So I have just called your all-in bet so flip your cards and let's see who can outdraw who.
Tony>
"...but he basically got their himself. Do you understand that when they break 2 silvers in the next 6 months that there income is gonna more than double!"
Just a word of advice:
Before you go around calling people half-educated (as you did right after you typed the above) you might want to learn the difference between the words 'their' and 'there', and how to spell douche.
Cheers!
Let's see it Tony. You can also email the 10 couples names to me, if you need an email address, let me know.
I'm going to post about this on my website, so let's see it.
To quote a Quentin Tarantino movie:
"You gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?"
Hey Guys or Gals,
I had mentioned the stabilized DNA before. DoubleX has actually changed the way the label read from awhile back, but it still claims to stabilize previously damaged DNA. I am definitely not a scientist, but I do no that to repair DNA is like curing cancer.
As far as the ADA goes with tooth paste, I am in the military and yes they do tell you only to use brands that are approved by the ADA. There must be something to the seal if the government tells you to use it.
Imran, nice apology. Do you read this blog Imran or just jump to conclusions??
And I think everyone could work on reading comprehension - I just said 2 posts above that I am NOT going to give out the names of IBOs in my upline or crossline who have better marriages, or ask them to come on here and post. Go up and read what I said. I don't care if you think they exist or not - I KNOW they do!!
And jason, your gonna have a long day if all you do is look for speeling erors lik their vs there. You must feel very proud of Yourself!
Guys, there's nothing you can say that can rock me. My business is going awesome! I just helped another guy get started and he's already got some XS and gift albums accounts.
AND I recently found out a 'celebrity' is gonna be joining my team!! Let's just say a bigtime fighter. It's frickin awesome!! Lots of contacts!
You guys have fun now - I gotta get back to work. :D
"Has anyone else ever watched C-SPAN cover a three-hour House debate on cloning? What a scene. Two hundred six Caucasian males in blue suits, white shirts and red ties all declaring their all-out opposition against cloning."
The Mayor's Research Intern found that quote recently on the internet, and thought it fit perfectly into this thread. For obvious reasons.
Tony, if you can't provide support for your claims, then don't make ridiculous claims like "I will provide 10 fixed marriages for every broken one." I don't care if you heard these people on stage (who says they're telling the truth? Many Qx couples are taught to pretend to be successful) whether you've talked to them personally, or whether your clairvoyant powers let you know whose marriage has been saved.
You are someone who has a financial interest in seeing Quixtar portrayed in a positive light.Most of the critics have no financial interest in seeing Quxtar portrayed in a negative light; their interest is informing the public of the things that happened to IBOs in Quixtar. Therefore, Tony, it is not unreasonable to believe that you would be less than honest in your claims about Quixtar, due to your financial interest in obtaining more IBOs.
Therefore, Tony, put up or shut up. There is overwhelming negative evidence on the Internet and elsewhere about the nature of Quixtar. You claim that your LOS is nothing like that; according to other evidence, this is an exception, rather than the norm in Quixtar. However, you refuse to provide any concrete evidence to back up your claims. A reasonable conclusion is that you are either misinformed about your LOS, unwilling to see things the way they are, or deliberately dishonest.
The main point: don't tell us that you can do something like when you're not willing to prove it.
Also, don't tell people whose financial situation and perhaps their marriage were ruined by involvement in Quixtar to "go to a few more meetings." Your numbskulledness doesn't allow you to see that Quixtar is the problem in these cases, and not, as you allege, the wife's refusal to give Quixtar a chance. Your very nerve to suggest that FW's problems are everyone's fault BUT Quixtar's and upline's just shows how hopelessly brainwashed you are by this business.
What the hell is this, a business or a way of life? Your business associates are NOT supposed to counsel your marriage. Especially someone like an upline, who has a vested interest in your pouring more money into Quixtar products and tools.
I sympathize with frustrated wife.
BWW teaches God#1, Spouse #2, Family #3, job #4, Quixtar #5.
Yet when their marriage is rocky due to the husband's involvement in quixtar, Tony's advice is for FW to attend more meetings/functions.
Way to go Tony, you made my case for me.
Tony> Once again, for every couple you show that has had marital strife due to only one spouse being pro-Qx, there are 10 that have had their marriages strengthened by being a part of a good team.
Tony> I just said 2 posts above that I am NOT going to give out the names of IBOs in my upline or crossline who have better marriages, or ask them to come on here and post.
Joe> Tony, this is why you get all the criticism, when you make these kinds of posts. It's no different than saying "my upline is ethical", or "my upline makes big bucks, but I don't have to prove it."
Frustrated Wife gave her testimonial (proof) that BWW is unethical. Care to prove otherwise?
"AND I recently found out a 'celebrity' is gonna be joining my team!! Let's just say a bigtime fighter. It's frickin awesome!! Lots of contacts!"
Mike Tyson is joining Poorhouse Tony?!?!?
Wow, that's a glowing endorsement.
Keep your cornhole covered bub, and watch your ears....
Don> then don't make ridiculous claims like "I will provide 10 fixed marriages for every broken one."
T> Don, you are the absolute lowest, dispicable, good for nothing piece of Sh!t, I have EVER met! Let me put this mildly:
I NEVER F#CK!NG SAID THAT!!! How bout you stop misquoting me @sshole? Think you can do that??
As Joe so kindly showed - I said QUOTE "Once again, for every couple you show that has had marital strife due to only one spouse being pro-Qx, there are 10 that have had their marriages strengthened by being a part of a good team."
I NEVER said I would publicly give their names!! If you don't want to believe then then fine - I DON'T CARE!
Don, what do the people who bash Walmart or GM, or Microsoft online have to gain financially. I'm not lying about anything!! Why is it so GD hard to understand that!? All I have ever done here is defend something I believe in and tell MY side of the story! So some woman comes on here and says Qx ruined her marriage! I say, I've seen Qx SAVE dozens/hndereds or marriages! And it didn't happen from 1 spouse being active and 1 being negative!! Its when BOTH are supportive of each other, and associating with positive minded people. Her husband has obviously decided to do it. She made vows before him and GOD! If she wants it to be better, my advice (from what I've seen) is for her to stop Judging some of these people as "idiots" because they desire to have more, and to spend more time with her husband and the team. Thats it! Not buy more tape, or CDs, or buy more XS - just get around the team more and Get to Know them! We'll probably see that they're good people that want to help you!
And FYI - when I said my upline Diamond made $120,000+ in one month (because one of you guys made the false claim that the only money comes from tools) I SHOWED you guys the checks! I sent emailed 4 checks to qblog! (with the name, address and part of the IBO# whited-out for privacy. So don't expect me to now start giving out the names and stories of my friends in the business! I NEVER said that I would!!
And df, no its not Tyson, and its not a boxer. I should've clarifed - he's a Real fighter! Any chump can wear gloves and through a punch... or bite an ear. Why am I even wasting my time with you. df, you're a worthless POS. Have a nice life!
FW said quixtar ruined her life. I believe it is the UNETHICAL upline stemming from the Larry Winters team that actually ruined her life.
Since these are duplicatable businesses, Larry must be teaching his downline to behave this way. Afterall, plugged in people don't lead, the simply copy their leaders right?
Now you settle down, Poorhouse Ninja. Maybe Quixtar has some pills for anger management.
I wonder what tape tells you to steal from your daughter's piggybank? I guess FW's husband was just duplicating his upline?
Oh, but that's ok because when he goes diamond, the daughter will get it back tenfold right?
Don Incognito wrote:
"Tony, if you can't provide support for your claims, then don't make ridiculous claims like "I will provide 10 fixed marriages for every broken one." I don't care if you heard these people on stage (who says they're telling the truth? Many Qx couples are taught to pretend to be successful) whether you've talked to them personally, or whether your clairvoyant powers let you know whose marriage has been saved.
You are someone who has a financial interest in seeing Quixtar portrayed in a positive light.Most of the critics have no financial interest in seeing Quxtar portrayed in a negative light; their interest is informing the public of the things that happened to IBOs in Quixtar. Therefore, Tony, it is not unreasonable to believe that you would be less than honest in your claims about Quixtar, due to your financial interest in obtaining more IBOs.
Therefore, Tony, put up or shut up. There is overwhelming negative evidence on the Internet and elsewhere about the nature of Quixtar. You claim that your LOS is nothing like that; according to other evidence, this is an exception, rather than the norm in Quixtar. However, you refuse to provide any concrete evidence to back up your claims. A reasonable conclusion is that you are either misinformed about your LOS, unwilling to see things the way they are, or deliberately dishonest.
The main point: don't tell us that you can do something like when you're not willing to prove it."
Actually, I can respect Tony's position to want to protect the privacy of individuals who don't want their names splattered all over the internet.
Tony:
By the same line of reasoning, however, don't become angry at any of the critics who claim that they've seen a lot of marriages destroyed because of their being involved with the quixtar business opportunity, and not take these critics' word for it if you yourself aren't willing to provide proof of those marriages that were "saved". And I'm not talking about those situations where one spouse was willing to do the business and the other one wasn't, I'm referring to those marriages that caused couples to lose everything (financially as well as their respect towards each other) as a result of BOTH individuals suffering the negative aspects of the quixtar MOs.
Tony,
Read those last words you wrote. Who would want to be on your team with that spewing forth? And that is typing which is easily controlled. I can't imagine how your mouth and actions are!
Calm down! He made very valid points and all I can see with your reply is that you don't have the facts to repsond, so you go out and verball accuse the person who is raising them.
Tony wrote:
"And df, no its not Tyson, and its not a boxer. I should've clarifed - he's a Real fighter! Any chump can wear gloves and through a punch... or bite an ear. Why am I even wasting my time with you. df, you're a worthless POS. Have a nice life!"
I don't know Tony, I would definitely think about taking those words back.
Let's just say that I don't think you would want to meet ole Iron Mike in a dark alleyway anytime soon (I definitely wouldn't want to either). Despite what you may have heard thru the media about what a jerk Tyson is and how he has lost his touch over the last several years, Mike is an old brooklyn boy who fights with a lot of heart & spirit, even if he does cross the line at times both in and outside of the ring. He is one tough cookie and can literally knock out ANYBODY with just a few punches - antime, anywhere.
Back in the 1980's when Tyson was the heavyweight champ who ruled supreme, he visited a local Manhattan gym one evening where one of my then fellow coworkers used to work out. Now, my coworker was solidly built and very lean in the middle with lots of muscle tone all over. He swore that when he had gone over to shake Mike Tyson's hand that night, it felt like his hand was like that of a newborn baby's when Tyson's hand closed around it to give him a very hearty handshake.
I guess my whole point is this, don't assume that "somebody is a chump just because they are a boxer". These guys have trained in gyms all of their lives to get to where they are, and have the tough street mentality to go along with it.
T> Don, you are the absolute lowest, dispicable, good for nothing piece of Sh!t, I have EVER met! Let me put this mildly:
I NEVER F#CK!NG SAID THAT!!! How bout you stop misquoting me @sshole? Think you can do that??
DI> First of all, Tony, calm down. You're not exactly putting the best face forward for Quixtar--just another IBO who can't debate normally.
Now Tony, this is what you said. It's a direct quote from you, in one of your posts on this page:
Tony:
"And for every couple that you say has been 'ruined by Qx', I can show you 10 who's marriage has become Stronger because of the association of this team!"
So, Tony, I'm not misquoting you. "Show" and "provide" have the same connotation. Now, Tony, PUT UP OR SHUT UP. And watch your mouth, too.
T> Don, what do the people who bash Walmart or GM, or Microsoft online have to gain financially.
DI> What the hell do WalMart or GM have to do with this discussion? When are you going to stop spouting the Quixtar/Walmart/GM comparisons from the tapes like a bloody robot and actually think about your argument? My point is exactly that critics of Quixtar have NOTHING to gain financially, as opposed to Quixtar and its websites. So, which has the greatest chance of being biased?
T> I'm not lying about anything!! Why is it so GD hard to understand that!?
DI> It's hard to understand because of your obnoxious behaviour, your inability to carry on an argument thread without insults, and your insistence on making claims that you conveniently cannot prove.
T> And it didn't happen from 1 spouse being active and 1 being negative!! Its when BOTH are supportive of each other, and associating with positive minded people.
DI> Wait, Tony, now you're blaming the VICTIM for this situation? Because FW had the chutzpah to dislike your precious business when she saw that it was driving her family into debt and caused her husband to have strange priorities? The fact that you don't even stop to consider that maybe this situation was caused by the husband's Quixtar "business" and by his uplines shows just how brainwashed you are. The fact that you blame FW makes you despicable.
T> is for her to stop Judging some of these people as "idiots" because they desire to have more,
DI> Who's putting words in whose mouth now, you miserable scumbag? No one is judging people because they "want more." They are judging them because they are misguided at best and dishonest at worst.
T> We'll probably see that they're good people that want to help you!
DI> How do you know this? Overwhelming evidence on websites around the web is that higher uplines want to bring in more recruits so that they get more money and thus advise them to make poor decisions. I know that you're gonna yell "NOT MY UPLINE!!!!" Well, Tony, you can't prove it, there's very little evidenciary reason to believe you, so we don't wanna hear it.
T> So don't expect me to now start giving out the names and stories of my friends in the business!
DI> DON'T. I don't give a damn. But if you're not ready to do that, then don't make claims that require you to give out those names to prove.
Don, you are truly eloquent.
What a nice way of telling Tony he's a nimrod.
Tony, you are getting CREAMED here. It's really funny. Thanks to everyone for making my day a little more interesting.
Even you Tony.
DF, as always, well played sir.
Joe you know d@mn well Larry doesn't teach that. Try adding something worthwhile, before your team boots you off.
MLM, I never said I didn't believe these stories! Why are you implying I did?? I'm simply saying that I have personally seen marriages saved/improved by the association with this team! I never said I didn't belive these other peoples stories, just as I never said I was gonna give names!
And let's examine the 3 cases we have here of Qx causing problems:
1) JD: wife wanted to build it - JD did NOT, and he didn't just stay away or stay neutral, he actively tore her down, and told her it wouldn't work.
#2, FW. Once again, 1 spouse, her husband, is trying to build, she is Not supportive, doesn't help - and calls them idolizing idiots!
#3, TD, this is the only case I've seen so far where both spouses were supportive and building it, well not sure how much she was building it, but she was at least supportive of Him building it. But she admits that part of the conflict was that she felt like he wasn't trying hard enough to get her free. It caused marital strife. But then she admits that she later realized that he Was trying hard to get her free! It took Larry Winters 5.5 years to hit Silver! She shouldn't have put that pressure on him or felt that way. She Admits she shouldn't have felt that way!
I don't blame Qx for Her feeling her husband must not have cared enough about her to get her free, when she admits now that he WAS trying to get her free. It takes time, and its different for different people.
X, you've GOT to be kidding me! You're defending DF?? This is the guy that told me and another pro-Qx that he had sex with ours moms and girlfriend!! But Me telling him he's a worthless POS is vulgar?
X, you said "he made very valid points..." Hmm, lets go back and look at df's 'valid points'...
df> "Mike Tyson is joining Poorhouse Tony?!?!?
Wow, that's a glowing endorsement.
Keep your cornhole covered bub, and watch your ears...."
X, no offense, but you are a critbot, and you need to get your priorities straight. If you met me in person, you'd be amazed. You think I'm this loud, angry mean person. If you've read 'Personality Plus' - I'm Phlegmatic. I'm pretty laidback and chill at a party I make friends with everyone. And I really don't like to fight, never been in one where there wasn't a ref and scoreboard. But when some idiot gets in my face and start cr@p with me - guess what, I'm gonna through it back at him.
So don't judge me for talking trash to a scum bucket like df! You say he made valid point? All he ever does is call me PH Tony, and other insults. Tell me how "Keep your cornhole covered bub" is a valid argument? Gimme a break X, think before you type!
You say I can't respond so I throw out insults?? BS, I've made plenty of valid points, but hardly any of you critbots ever listen! You've got your mind made up! Well get over it! And a POS like df Deserves to be called a POS!
I'd want to be on the team of a guy who stands up for himself, what he believes in and tells it like it is! And df is a POS! Sorry if thats to bold for you! You better hope a Choleric IBO never comes on here! lol ;)
T> X, you've GOT to be kidding me! You're defending DF?? This is the guy that told me and another pro-Qx that he had sex with ours moms and girlfriend!! But Me telling him he's a worthless POS is vulgar?
DI> Tony, you nitwit, he was talking about your response to me, not your response to df. At least ATTEMPT to understand what someone is saying before you spout off a three-page reply filled with exclamation marks. Yeesh.
Poorhouse Tony:
The Tyson thing was a joke. Everyone knows that Iron Mike has more class than to be associated with you Ambots.
Hey, maybe you should get a big Q tattooed over one eye?
Just an idea.
Can't wait to hear who your "fighter buddy" is. Is it one of those crazy UFC guys. They'll endorse any type of energy drink/proteinshake/supplement. I am sure that is BIG TIME stuff for an org like yours.
What a joke, you're a real jerkoff Tonybot. One that should have run down the shower drain.
1) JD: wife wanted to build it - JD did NOT, and he didn't just stay away or stay neutral, he actively tore her down, and told her it wouldn't work.
1)-----Yeah because JD saw his wife lie, cheat, steal and go in to debt because of it. He protected his son from her and from Quixtar!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#2, FW. Once again, 1 spouse, her husband, is trying to build, she is Not supportive, doesn't help - and calls them idolizing idiots!
2)------yeah, she doesn't help as she see's through it straight away and see's how manipulative, brainwashed and devious her husband has become because of the cult!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sitting here in shock with my mouth wide open typing this as I see you attacking the victims....... I have nothing left to say to you
Don, bottom line you misquoted me. Me saying "Could show" and you saying "WILL provide" are two seperate things! My second line, the one Joe quoted, is the jist of what I was saying, for every 1 bad, there are 10 good. Don't belive me, fine. Don't expect names. If that bothers you too bad, if you don't want to hear my arguments, then don't read!
You basically said 'what do we have to gain' - 'critics have no financial gain, etc' And my point was: what about the critics of OTHER companies? What do they have to gain? Just because you have no financial gain from bashing Qx, that somehow makes your points more valid?? No!
DI> It's hard to understand because of your obnoxious behaviour, your inability to carry on an argument thread without insults, and your insistence on making claims that you conveniently cannot prove.
Well Maybe - just MAYBE if @ssholes like df, rocket, and frankly YOU hadn't thrown the 1st punch, the 'dialogue' here wouldn't be as it is. But the Truth of the matter is, I came on here, being civil, telling My side, my POV, and got bashed for being a stupid Quixbot, and being brainwashed, and every argument I made was "tapespeak". Where did you expect the arguments to go?
FW's husband definitely has some issues, and they need to go to a marriage counselor. But she could've given the business and the People a better chance! I'm not putting words in Anyones mouth! She called them "idiots" and said they "idolized the Diamonds". She like almost every critbot here only saw the money, and the material things. We don't idolize the Diamonds, just because we aspire to have that lifestyle. Yes, I'd like to have a $2 million house one day. I'd like to have a $200,000 car. But I'd also like to give $100,000 to my Alma Mater, or my local church. I'd like to be able to give $250,000 to the hurrican victims instead of $250.00. That's what I see, not materialistic idiots, idolizing the Diamonds!
There's no reason he can't behave the way I and other local IBOs do and there's no reason she can't at least support him and let him try. I hope they can work things out.
Don, I don't know for sure what her mentors are like. But I know this, she should give them a real chance! But you wanna know why I said "you'll probably see they're good people who want to help you"? Because that's all I've personally met so far!! At 5 Opens in 4 states. Everyone I've met (in general) are good people who genuinley want to help others. Of course all your gonna hear about on the web is the bad ones! The people doing it, for th emost part aren't on here! No one starting blogsites about how much they like their upline. Well maybe someone has, but the ones that are gonna get the traffic, just like anyting else are the ones that are complaining!
Just like I learned in college. You're 5x as likely to tell someone about bad service you received from a horrible waitress than you would about receiving good service. Don't make the assumption because you have a half dozen blogsites where people come on and bitch about a bad upline that that means ALL upline are bad. Cause I don't think anyone I've met is giving bad advice. Hurting your downline is only hurting you. I'm sorry some of you had a dishonest upline. I also feel sorry for you if you have a sh!tty boss! Sucks either way. I guess the best advice is find one who's not!
rocket, why don't you jump off their jocks and go sit in the corner - you've never made a valid argument once!
Now, the only critic I like: mlm' I'm not trying to take anything away from boxers! I wasn't saying all boxers ar chumps. I respect the training and hard work these guys do. But in general I don't care for boxing. With my TKD and wrestling background, I give a little more respect to the guys doing Mix Martial Arts, like the UFC and PrideFighting. That is what I consider Real fighting.
I'm sure there are A Lot tough-nosed boxers, but it just comes down to techinque and knowledge. I've seen too many times where a boxer fights against a kickboxer or wrestler with submissions, and the boxer is just a fish out of water. In a boxing fight they'd win, but in a MMA fight, a straight boxer can't defend kicks very well, and you take a boxer off his feet and they have no idea how to fight on the ground. Until they've been trained in grappling and submission. (Tyson would get destroyed in the UFC.) But as far as conditioning & athletic ability, I have respect for boxers. But the truth is, anyone can put on gloves and throw a punch. Stepping into the 'Octagon' is a whole nother thing.
So Tony is Phlegmatic?
Here's a funny thing. An anagram for Phlegmatic is "Pitch gleam" or "Gal pitch it"
You go pitch it, Tony Gal.
Oh yeah Tony, telling X"Gimme a break X, think before you type!" would be good advice for you to take.
You know, it's pretty hard for anyone to think badly of their own life as long as Tony is around. Thanks for that Tony.
I would like to know where this idea that critics of Wal Mart or Microsoft have no stake in seeing those companies hurt came from. the core of Wal Mart's critics are barbaric labor unionists and envious "mom and pop" stores that can not compete on the open market. They are typically joined by egalitarians who like the idea of expanding state economic regulatory authority in the hopes that they might one day hold the levers of power. Microsoft's critics are usually the same group, with less of a union presence. When examining criticisms of a company, it is important to evaluate these criticisms on their own merits. The existence of vast anti-quixtar sentiment should not be shunted aside because of similar sentiment against other companies. What one must ask is, "is this criticism valid?" The weight of the evidence, objectively analyzed indicates that most of the criticisms leveled against quixtar are legitimate. Dragging Wal Mart or Microsoft into the debate is like bringing the tragic example of Sacco and Venzetti (innocent men charged with murder) into the case of Leopold and Loeb (guilty men) in order to show that because innocent people are sometimes accused of crimes, anyone who is accused is innocent. It doesn't follow. Just my two cents.
Lisa, I'm not blaming the victim cause both are victims, both have suffered a loss. FW left her husband and took the kids. JD took Jona. Their are people in this business who do things wrong. Its not the fault of their upline or me! Why is it I see dozens of content couples who are sincerely happy with their spouse and love the people they work with. They care about their teams and helping others develop good relationships and develop as people.
I love going to the Nightowls and seeing a married couple stand up and see how the men talk lovingly about their wives, and watch the wifes reaction, and then the wife will talk about how things weren't always great but now she respects her husband so much and how life is so much better, how he's a better father and husband, etc. And I'm not talking about some Platinum or Ruby couple, I'm talking about brand new IBOs, people at 300pv!! Thats not stage talk, thats not fake or made-up to 'get you in'! Thats from the heart!
Don wrong again, scroll up and Look! X said to me, "Tony, Read those last words you wrote. Who would want to be on your team with that spewing forth?... Calm down! He made very valid points.
So let's look at what the words were:
T> And df, no its not Tyson, and its not a boxer... Why am I even wasting my time with you. df, you're a worthless POS. Have a nice life!
So where does X mention YOU don?? If he Didn't mean df, why couldn't he have meant rocket, Joe, or the Mayor? How do you know he meant you? Hey X, care to clarify who you meant I was being vulgar toward and who had made valid points? This should be good...
Once again Tony you miss the point and misconstrue what I said. I never "admitted" that I shouldn't have felt that way. Feelings are not wrong, they are just feelings. My point about my H actually trying to build it, and my anger at him for seeming to not building it, only highlights the dismal success rate in the business. I was angry with my H because upline always said, "if it's not working, you're not working it". So, if it wasn't working, who's fault were they saying it was? His, of course. Because it ALWAYS works if you DO it, right? This can only set the wife up to resent her husband because she is waiting for him to fulfill her dreams and she is discouraged from fulfilling her own dreams outside of the business. Now that I am thinking for myself again, I realize that I should have gone ahead and did what I wanted to do, and not listened to my uplines' ridiculous advice. That's nice that it only took Larry 5.5 years to go Silver, we worked it for 11 and never got close to that level. Meanwhile, I'm advised by upline to stay in jobs I hate, stay plugged in, etc. Just how long was I supposed to stay in that situation? I didn't go to college because it's "a waste of time" (according to WWDB) so, I'm stuck doing Clerical/Accounting work, when I'm a creative person, because it brings in the cash (no offense to people who might like that kind of work ;) it's just not for me) and upline counsels me not to quit because "success is just around the corner" and then I can start living my dreams. This is abusive and manipulative, designed only to keep us in and giving upline our money for tools, functions and PV. My story is a testament of those who "submit to their upline", as taught by most QAMO's. I was so brainwashed, I asked them for this treatment, by asking for counseling. I was sure they wanted to help me, that they loved me and would never hurt me.
This is such a contrast to the present time. My H is working in a career, making plans to get a degree, and I couldn't be more proud of the progress that he's made in the last year since we left the biz. The pressure is definitely off him and me, as we are free to pursue careers/jobs that we are happy with. We rent our apartment, have somewhat crummy cars, and I still work full-time in Accounting, but I am so happy. We may never be millionaires, but I wouldn't trade the life or the emotional health that I have now for all the money in the world. Freedom!
T> Don, bottom line you misquoted me. Me saying "Could show" and you saying "WILL provide" are two seperate things!
DI> Now you're just arguing semantics. Wanna know what the meaning of "is" is? Bottom line, both your statements can be reasonably interpreted as saying similar things.
Whatever Tony, i don't care if you name names or not, it doesn't matter to me. My point was, that if you're not willing to provide proof, then don't make claims requiring such proof!
T> If that bothers you too bad, if you don't want to hear my arguments, then don't read!
DI> Tony, you're the one complaining all the time like it "bothers" you. I'm just poking holes in your worthless arguments.
T> Well Maybe - just MAYBE if @ssholes like df, rocket, and frankly YOU hadn't thrown the 1st punch, the 'dialogue' here wouldn't be as it is.
DI> Please. I am arguing with you calmly and rationally. No punches. If you can't handle a simple argument without going off the deep end, that's YOUR problem. But don't blame everyone else for your lack of self-control.
Once again, language like:
"Don, you are the absolute lowest, dispicable, good for nothing piece of Sh!t, I have EVER met! Let me put this mildly: I NEVER F#CK!NG SAID THAT!!! How bout you stop misquoting me @sshole?"
has no place in a rational argument. But hey, if you want to look like some raving lunatic that can't take people who disagree with him, that's YOUR problem. In the end, Quixtar looks even worse because of your example of a typical IBO.
T> But I know this, she should give them a real chance!
DI> How do you know she hasn't already? How do you know she should again? You don't know jack about her situation and it's not your place to tell her what to do and certainly not your place to blame her.
T> Of course all your gonna hear about on the web is the bad ones!
DI> Not true, a purely speculative claim based on no evidence whatsoever. To use your Microsoft example: There are many who bash MS because they call it the "evil empire." There are some who don't like MS because they have legitimate complaints about, say, its interface design, and there are some who like MS because of, that very reason.
Now, the former, do it simply out of irrational hatred. The latter two groups, however, have legitimate reasons behind their opinion and have an educated debate. See, for example, the boards on xvsxp.com.
Therefore, your claim that only critics put up websites is FALSE. If people feel they can defend their point of view (in favor of MS, for example) legitimately, they argue it too. However, when there are many legitimate complaints, few legitimate defenses, and many irrational defenses, we get the situation that we get with Quixtar. MS is the opposite. A lot of irrational attacks, but also many legitimate criticisms and defenses.
T> She like almost every critbot here only saw the money, and the material things.
DI> Tony, is this a business, or a frickin' way of life? Good lord! Every Quixtar recruitment meeting shows kingpins enjoying fancy cars and homes! I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being materialistic, but what do you want her to see? And why should I expect that a business whose raison d'être is to MAKE MONEY should concern itself with aspects of my life other than money and material things?
T> I'd like to have a $2 million...I'd like to have a $200,000...I'd also like to give $100,000...I'd like to be able to give $250,000 to the hurrican victims...behave the way I and other local IBOs....Because that's all I've personally met so far...Everyone I've met...
DI> I, I, I, I, I. All you have is what *you* saw. And what *you* yourself saw is overwhelmed by evidence to the contrary. Furthermore, since you're not willing to prove what you saw, we can conclude that you are either being deceptive (saying it not how it is) or are being deceived yourself (and saying it how you think it is, whether or not you think correctly). Therefore, your personal experience, without proof or even CORROBORATION, is not worthy evidence of anything.
T> what about the critics of OTHER companies? What do they have to gain? Just because you have no financial gain from bashing Qx, that somehow makes your points more valid??
DI> What, so you're assuming that just because someone is a critic, then he is automatically wrong? As far as other companies, their critics are IRRELEVANT here. Why? I've already illustrated that above with the Microsoft example. No one takes the irrational bashers seriously anyway. But many critics, in the cases of those companies, have legitimate complaints, their defenders have legitimate defenses, and they are usually evenly matched. NOT SO in the case of Quixtar.
Furthermore, neither of those "other" companies claims to be a way to make money. The fact that so many people were led into financial/personal ruin when they were involved with Quixtar makes the complaints against Quixtar ten times as grave.
Or are you trying to say that every testimonial against Quixtar is irrational and has no basis in fact? Then you really need to quit the Kool-Aid, buddy.
Tony,
You're missing the point. What we have here are 3 testimonials from people who describe how (quixtar) motivational groups have ruined their lives. When I was active, my upline advised me to dump my fiancee. There's a lot more of these stories on the forum. Now do I think that there are Zero couples who benefitted from quixtar? No, I'm sure there are some, but I don't know how you can make some kind of assertion that
Thanks for the Amquix Info. I was worried that some Quixzealot (rhymes with Lancelot) had done something nefarious to the site.
Posted by: Bradley Williams | October 11, 2005 12:48 AM