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September 5, 2005
Monday Reader Mail: 56
By QBlog in Reader Mail
This Reader Mail is unique because it comes from a blind "reader." As always, my comments are in bold.
name: N. C.
date: September 1, 2005
message: Hi there,
I've been approached by a person who is an IBO in Quixtar. My good friend has been in the business for short period of time. On your about page it says that the owenr of the site wasn't actively involved in the business. How does this justify the need to create this site?
There are many reasons this site was created but initially, it was because of my wife's involvement and I needed a place to express my thoughts, opinions and concerns about the business.
I'm really wondering because I am trying to find work. You see, I am legally blind, I don't know if you know anybody (or possibly yourslef) knows what that means. I saw this oppertunity to get a job (because when you're blind, it's VERY HARD to get a job). Discrimination has not completely exited the earth unfortunately.
I'm not doubting (at least not yet) that the blogs here are true pictures of people's stories... or experiences. As you said in your About page, Quixtar is a legitimate business.
Many of the stories are simply expressions of people's experiences with Quixtar. There are lots of stories that extol the wonders of Quixtar but those don't often find their way onto the average blog.
What if someone was to simply retail items, would that be a better way of approaching the business? I'm confused here, it's a legit business, but yet I keep seeing people who claim it's a cult or something of the sort.
Some people feel that it's a cult. Quixtar claims it's not.
Also, on one blog someone said that if you didn't sign up, they would be sarcastic to you (the people who presented the system) and "make fun" of you, or something of the type. I haven't expierenced this. Could you please help me out here.
I never really experienced this either but apparently it's what some have endured.
I'm honestry trying to make a good decision, and simply claiming things, or "venting" isn't any kind of proof of anything...
Nor is blindly (sorry, no pun intended) trusting everything said by an IBO to promote his business. Ask lots of questions. Do research. Demand answers and proof.
I'm not on either side here, I'm making a decision, so I'm not for this or against this... what can I get help with here?
P.S. Wow, WHO THE HECK sent you their credit card info? That's insane LMAO. What did they want to proove? Or Say? haha,
PEACE
"Take It Easy" (The Eagles)
cheers!
I'm glad N. C. is seeking more information about Quixtar. Maybe you can help?
Comments
If you are looking for a job, find a way to make money doing what you love to do.
Do you love sales? If so, then look into Quixtar.
Objectively look at the product and the cost associated with it. Do you believe in the product? Do you think it's worth the money? Are you ready to spend lots of time and money on it, before you see any results? Can you afford that? Or, would you rather spend your time and energy selling something else more promising?
After answering those questions and your still interested, then cosider selling retail only. I think if your honest with yourself, you'll be smart enough to see otherwise.
But, if you need someone to show you how to sell products, if you need someone to "motivate" you to sell the products, and if you don't want to spend an immense amount of time, energy, and money on this... then run for the hills. That's how the "motivational groups" or the cults get you. They just love to twist your thinking and scam you for everything your worth.
Beware! Stay away! Please belive us.
I would suggest that if you focus on retail only, it is STILL a bad opportunity. That is why in the plan, they focus on recruitment, because that is where the money is made (not for GETTING recruits, but the volume of them buying things). The reason I say this are as follows:
1. The products are not varied enough to merit broad spectrum consumer appriciation
2. The products are vasstly over priced for the purpose (ex, mens shaving cream is $9.60 IBO cost, about $12 retail; but the clincher is that its performance is LESS than that of Edge, which I can buy at the store for $2.50)
3. The system is set up so that you can not attract a customer base (rules restricting mass advertisments, etc.)
4. Profit margin is far too small for the work required to move the product.
On the point of interest to me is the cult aspect. No cult will admit they are a cult. This is for a few possible reasons, of which, they either do not KNOW they are a cult, or they don't want to believe they are a cult.
Look at a cult for what it is. It is defined on merit of the environment. Following that model, the Motivational Organizations follow many cult-like principles. The corporation end, Quixtar, is just a business to make money for those who have interest in it (DeVos, VanAndle families ), but the systems for success are the cults.
I have to say:
Read my blog — find the section that starts: "This is going to be a weird blog" and go from there. It documents my exchanges with a person and his "business opportunity." You WILL find that more people have been burned than have 'made it.' The ones in the system are the ones who haven't yet lost EVERYTHING and are still HOLDING ONTO THE DREAM.
-r
PS:
If you're like me, you'll do a little research and realize how TERRIBLY BAD THIS IS AND STAY AWAY!
Or if you are 180 degrees NOT LIKE ME, you'll continue on this 'neutral' path until you're sucked in and then it'll be too late. I hope to GOD that you don't do it: it is evil enough without my having to have nightmares about people who are BLIND being taken in!
(That's what I'd say if I could respond to that person's letter.)
-=-
I am here to kinda back up any IBO trying to defend quixtar. I came on this site because its one of the top searches for some negatives that a friend of mine whos not in the business looked up on yahoo. Amazing how all the people who search for the same thing end up at the same site and Relate to each other! seeing that people who get to this site in the first place are people who are not in the business or people who are former ibos venting their anger. Explains why there isn't many good encoutners about quixtar.
I am an IBO myself for quixtar and very happy with the business and education. Because of it I was able to graduate from college with a great GPA which i didnt have 2 years ago. I also met my girlfriend during this time and we have had a great relationship thanks to the relationship books an upline recommended to me. So I myself, am happy with the business. I have met many of my best friends through this business and still keep good association with great friends who arn't doing the business.
But For anything successful there is always critisism. Many successful IBOS and let me repeat. SUCCESSFUL IBOs, know this and wouldn't bother to flame people on comment boards its useless. I've noticed some IBOS on a previous blog comment that did that.
all I have to say to them is that its useless fighting back and forth with people who have quit or never engaged in things dealing with this business. They judge so much, yet know so little and for many, its just not anything like what they would ever want to pursue or do.
The point is, I do not hate or dislike anyone who does not get into this business. Many don't have an ambition or a purpose to build a business at all, and many who DO get in do not have what it takes to perservere and never quit. In any activity or job you need to have determination to make it far or you just end up accepting where you are and not going further, I know many of you can atleast agree to this statement. Many people are also fine where they are in life and just flat out don't need this business in their life.
There are no winners and losers in this world. Only quitters and those who do not quit. I raced competively in swimming all my life and my coachs constantly told me that when training/technique is the same, it always came down to who ended up backing off and quitting cause of the pain. I almost made it the olympic trials level, but I didnt have the mentality of a champion at the time. I was a negative, pessimistic person who didn't have much confidence.
You guys....There is no difference in this business and anything else. Say its a scam? I'll admit, there are lots of network organizations including some in the past and maybe present in quixtar that are bad as well as good. All I have to say is befriend and really know what organization your getting into before you put down any finances and by that I mean, really know the character of your line of sponsership before commiting money to functions or tapes.
People seem to forget that Quixtar is a form of franchising. Organizations can be run differently, but overall their supplier is quixtar and their partner stores.
And like other IBOs said. To engage in the tapes, cds, functions (WHICH by the way is not done by quixtar but by the BWW system) is completely OPTIONAL. You dont need to listen to one tape/book/or function to be successful using this business, but not listening is basically saying you don't need anyone who has done this before you to help you and advise you what works and what doesn't. And honestly anyone who doesn't want to go to functions or listen or read book will not receive my help or any of my uplines help. When they do this, they are telling me "leave me alone, I do not want your help in building this business". Thats great as well cause if they did want my help, the first thing i would tell them is to educate themselves in their own business.
I guarentee you that the people who contacted everyone in the prospecting blog a month back either didn't listen to their upline or their upline was not a good enough leader to be teaching them. Reading some stories in here, I just pick out many things that IBOs did wrong that my organization in texas teaches us not to do. Comeon, I mean when someone says "no" leave them alone! All people are doing when they "prospect" is trying to meet new people and make new friends because they want to share this opportunity to people who are looking. Note that I said "LOOKING"!
I myself, as a Quixtar IBO have been approached by other Network Marketers such as Ameriplan and Some legal aid company. Whenever they approach me I listen to what they say, but once i figure out that they are trying to get me to check out their business, I always have to ask them one question. and its this "Sounds great....but lemme ask you something....Did you ever ask me if I was looking? If I want something to make any additional money on the side?" then they ask that question and I politely say "No sorry, im not looking. Im fine where I am"
If they would have asked that question before trying to get me to see their marketing business, it would have save them some time. Many IBOS forget to ask this simple question when they contact. "Do you ever keep your options to making additional income through a part time business?" and for everyone who got contacted that did not want to get into this business, that is your time to say "NO".Otherwise, you were curious and really were looking, just not this and thats what you have to figure out at the meetings.
There are good and bad in any profession you get into guys. Just realize your anger is at the individual people and maybe some organization that used quixtar. But believe me, your anger is not at quixtar itself. I am glad and thankful I am under great sponsership in texas. I have heard from other ex IBOs i met in person or IBOs that had other organizations in their sponsership. The story i heard was not good. I could blame her upline, but I could also blame her for not engaging the business seriously. I did learn from her that her LIne of sponsorship ran much different from mine. She hadn't heard from much of the diamonds i knew of, and she had very little cds and no books. She was never offered to buy any. I even met someone who does AMWAY (yes they are still around they are the sister company for quixtar for all the IBOs that chose not to use internet or e-commerce in their business) and they dont even use quixtar or the internet!!! can you believe that? they still make business just by catalog alone. crazy. but do you see how different organizations can be in quixtar?
To any real business major and business guru. You will clearly see that quixtar and all of its partner stores have done well in the past 5 years and its easily one of the fastest growing businesses around the world. So don't deny any product's success such as XS. They also partner with Barnes and nobles, disney.com, microsoft, bass pro shops...and hundreds more. So believe me when I say, your anger is at the individual people who wronged you. Not at the company's.
This is all I have to say. Please everyone who reads this be safe and I wish you well in any endeavors you do. I will not write back after this post. Fighting is useless, and I know many of you are truly good people and only care for others. Take care everyone.
I am here to kinda back up any IBO trying to defend quixtar. I came on this site because its one of the top searches for some negatives that a friend of mine whos not in the business looked up on yahoo. Amazing how all the people who search for the same thing end up at the same site and Relate to each other! seeing that people who get to this site in the first place are people who are not in the business or people who are former ibos venting their anger. Explains why there isn't many good encoutners about quixtar.
I am an IBO myself for quixtar and very happy with the business and education. Because of it I was able to graduate from college with a great GPA which i didnt have 2 years ago. I also met my girlfriend during this time and we have had a great relationship thanks to the relationship books an upline recommended to me. So I myself, am happy with the business. I have met many of my best friends through this business and still keep good association with great friends who arn't doing the business.
But For anything successful there is always critisism. Many successful IBOS and let me repeat. SUCCESSFUL IBOs, know this and wouldn't bother to flame people on comment boards its useless. I've noticed some IBOS on a previous blog comment that did that.
all I have to say to them is that its useless fighting back and forth with people who have quit or never engaged in things dealing with this business. They judge so much, yet know so little and for many, its just not anything like what they would ever want to pursue or do.
The point is, I do not hate or dislike anyone who does not get into this business. Many don't have an ambition or a purpose to build a business at all, and many who DO get in do not have what it takes to perservere and never quit. In any proffession you look at, you will find more people at lower levels with lower pay and less people at the top who have such a big income because of their skill and mentality. In any activity or job you need to have determination to make it far or you just end up accepting where you are and not going further, I know many of you can atleast agree to this statement. Many people are also fine where they are in life and just flat out don't need this business in their life.
There are no winners and losers in this world. Only quitters and those who do not quit. I raced competively in swimming all my life and my coachs constantly told me that when training/technique is the same, it always came down to who ended up backing off and quitting cause of the pain. I almost made it the olympic trials level, but I didnt have the mentality of a champion at the time. I was a negative, pessimistic person who didn't have much confidence.
You guys....There is no difference in this business and anything else. Say its a scam? I'll admit, there are lots of network organizations including some in the past and maybe present in quixtar that are bad as well as good. All I have to say is befriend and really know what organization your getting into before you put down any finances and by that I mean, really know the character of your line of sponsership before commiting money to functions or tapes.
People seem to forget that Quixtar is a form of franchising. Organizations can be run differently, but overall their supplier is quixtar and their partner stores.
And like other IBOs said. To engage in the tapes, cds, functions (WHICH by the way is not done by quixtar but by the BWW system) is completely OPTIONAL. You dont need to listen to one tape/book/or function to be successful using this business, but not listening is basically saying you don't need anyone who has done this before you to help you and advise you what works and what doesn't. And honestly anyone who doesn't want to go to functions or listen or read book will not receive my help or any of my uplines help. When they do this, they are telling me "leave me alone, I do not want your help in building this business". Thats great as well cause if they did want my help, the first thing i would tell them is to educate themselves in their own business.
I guarentee you that the people who contacted everyone in the prospecting blog a month back either didn't listen to their upline or their upline was not a good enough leader to be teaching them. Reading some stories in here, I just pick out many things that IBOs did wrong that my organization in texas teaches us not to do. Comeon, I mean when someone says "no" leave them alone! All people are doing when they "prospect" is trying to meet new people and make new friends because they want to share this opportunity to people who are looking. Note that I said "LOOKING"!
I myself, as a Quixtar IBO have been approached by other Network Marketers such as Ameriplan and Some legal aid company. Whenever they approach me I listen to what they say, but once i figure out that they are trying to get me to check out their business, I always have to ask them one question. and its this "Sounds great....but lemme ask you something....Did you ever ask me if I was looking? If I want something to make any additional money on the side?" then they ask that question and I politely say "No sorry, im not looking. Im fine where I am"
If they would have asked that question before trying to get me to see their marketing business, it would have save them some time. Many IBOS forget to ask this simple question when they contact. "Do you ever keep your options to making additional income through a part time business?" and for everyone who got contacted that did not want to get into this business, that is your time to say "NO".Otherwise, you were curious and really were looking, just not this and thats what you have to figure out at the meetings.
There are good and bad in any profession you get into guys. Just realize your anger is at the individual people and maybe some organization that used quixtar. But believe me, your anger is not at quixtar itself. I am glad and thankful I am under great sponsership in texas. I have heard from other ex IBOs i met in person or IBOs that had other organizations in their sponsership. The story i heard was not good. I could blame her upline, but I could also blame her for not engaging the business seriously. I did learn from her that her LIne of sponsorship ran much different from mine. She hadn't heard from much of the diamonds i knew of, and she had very little cds and no books. She was never offered to buy any. I even met someone who does AMWAY (yes they are still around they are the sister company for quixtar for all the IBOs that chose not to use internet or e-commerce in their business) and they dont even use quixtar or the internet!!! can you believe that? they still make business just by catalog alone. crazy. but do you see how different organizations can be in quixtar?
To any real business major and business guru. You will clearly see that quixtar and all of its partner stores have done well in the past 5 years and its easily one of the fastest growing businesses around the world. So don't deny any product's success such as XS. They also partner with Barnes and nobles, disney.com, microsoft, bass pro shops...and hundreds more. So believe me when I say, your anger is at the individual people who wronged you. Not at the company's.
This is all I have to say. Please everyone who reads this be safe and I wish you well in any endeavors you do. I will not write back after this post. Fighting is useless I think, and I know many of you are truly good people and only care for others and thats why you write things to keep them safe and lookout for them. Take care everyone.
I am here to kinda back up any IBO trying to defend quixtar. I came on this site because its one of the top searches for some negatives that a friend of mine whos not in the business looked up on yahoo. Amazing how all the people who search for the same thing end up at the same site and Relate to each other! seeing that people who get to this site in the first place are people who are not in the business or people who are former ibos venting their anger. Explains why there isn't many good encoutners about quixtar.
I am an IBO myself for quixtar and very happy with the business and education. Because of it I was able to graduate from college with a great GPA which i didnt have 2 years ago. I also met my girlfriend during this time and we have had a great relationship thanks to the relationship books an upline recommended to me. So I myself, am happy with the business. I have met many of my best friends through this business and still keep good association with great friends who arn't doing the business.
But For anything successful there is always critisism. Many successful IBOS and let me repeat. SUCCESSFUL IBOs, know this and wouldn't bother to flame people on comment boards its useless. I've noticed some IBOS on a previous blog comment that did that.
all I have to say to them is that its useless fighting back and forth with people who have quit or never engaged in things dealing with this business. They judge so much, yet know so little and for many, its just not anything like what they would ever want to pursue or do.
The point is, I do not hate or dislike anyone who does not get into this business. Many don't have an ambition or a purpose to build a business at all, and many who DO get in do not have what it takes to perservere and never quit. In any proffession you look at, you will find more people at lower levels with lower pay and less people at the top who have such a big income because of their skill and mentality. In any activity or job you need to have determination to make it far or you just end up accepting where you are and not going further, I know many of you can atleast agree to this statement. Many people are also fine where they are in life and just flat out don't need this business in their life.
There are no winners and losers in this world. Only quitters and those who do not quit. I raced competively in swimming all my life and my coachs constantly told me that when training/technique is the same, it always came down to who ended up backing off and quitting cause of the pain. I almost made it the olympic trials level, but I didnt have the mentality of a champion at the time. I was a negative, pessimistic person who didn't have much confidence.
You guys....There is no difference in this business and anything else. Say its a scam? I'll admit, there are lots of network organizations including some in the past and maybe present in quixtar that are bad as well as good. All I have to say is befriend and really know what organization your getting into before you put down any finances and by that I mean, really know the character of your line of sponsership before commiting money to functions or tapes.
People seem to forget that Quixtar is a form of franchising. Organizations can be run differently, but overall their supplier is quixtar and their partner stores.
And like other IBOs said. To engage in the tapes, cds, functions (WHICH by the way is not done by quixtar but by the BWW system) is completely OPTIONAL. You dont need to listen to one tape/book/or function to be successful using this business, but not listening is basically saying you don't need anyone who has done this before you to help you and advise you what works and what doesn't. And honestly anyone who doesn't want to go to functions or listen or read book will not receive my help or any of my uplines help. When they do this, they are telling me "leave me alone, I do not want your help in building this business". Thats great as well cause if they did want my help, the first thing i would tell them is to educate themselves in their own business.
I guarentee you that the people who contacted everyone in the prospecting blog a month back either didn't listen to their upline or their upline was not a good enough leader to be teaching them. Reading some stories in here, I just pick out many things that IBOs did wrong that my organization in texas teaches us not to do. Comeon, I mean when someone says "no" leave them alone! All people are doing when they "prospect" is trying to meet new people and make new friends because they want to share this opportunity to people who are looking. Note that I said "LOOKING"!
I myself, as a Quixtar IBO have been approached by other Network Marketers such as Ameriplan and Some legal aid company. Whenever they approach me I listen to what they say, but once i figure out that they are trying to get me to check out their business, I always have to ask them one question. and its this "Sounds great....but lemme ask you something....Did you ever ask me if I was looking? If I want something to make any additional money on the side?" then they ask that question and I politely say "No sorry, im not looking. Im fine where I am"
If they would have asked that question before trying to get me to see their marketing business, it would have save them some time. Many IBOS forget to ask this simple question when they contact. "Do you ever keep your options to making additional income through a part time business?" and for everyone who got contacted that did not want to get into this business, that is your time to say "NO".Otherwise, you were curious and really were looking, just not this and thats what you have to figure out at the meetings.
There are good and bad in any profession you get into guys. Just realize your anger is at the individual people and maybe some organization that used quixtar. But believe me, your anger is not at quixtar itself. I am glad and thankful I am under great sponsership in texas. I have heard from other ex IBOs i met in person or IBOs that had other organizations in their sponsership. The story i heard was not good. I could blame her upline, but I could also blame her for not engaging the business seriously. I did learn from her that her LIne of sponsorship ran much different from mine. She hadn't heard from much of the diamonds i knew of, and she had very little cds and no books. She was never offered to buy any. I even met someone who does AMWAY (yes they are still around they are the sister company for quixtar for all the IBOs that chose not to use internet or e-commerce in their business) and they dont even use quixtar or the internet!!! can you believe that? they still make business just by catalog alone. crazy. but do you see how different organizations can be in quixtar?
To any real business major and business guru. You will clearly see that quixtar and all of its partner stores have done well in the past 5 years and its easily one of the fastest growing businesses around the world. So don't deny any product's success such as XS. They also partner with Barnes and nobles, disney.com, microsoft, bass pro shops...and hundreds more. So believe me when I say, your anger is at the individual people who wronged you. Not at the company's.
This is all I have to say. Please everyone who reads this be safe and I wish you well in any endeavors you do. I will not write back after this post. Fighting is useless I think, and I know many of you are truly good people and only care for others and thats why you write things to keep them safe and lookout for them. Take care everyone.
Sorry if I spammed 3 times. the site was kinda giving me an error. I dunno if you can erase some of the extra posts or not. Thanks
"There are no winners and losers in this world. Only quitters and those who do not quit. I raced competively in swimming all my life and my coachs constantly told me that when training/technique is the same, it always came down to who ended up backing off and quitting cause of the pain. I almost made it the olympic trials level, but I didnt have the mentality of a champion at the time. I was a negative, pessimistic person who didn't have much confidence."
Rubbish. That "the only way to lose is to quit" statment really riles me. Reminds me of when they'd show a video at our weekend functions of handicapped children during the paralymics as if to shame everyone in the room.
You can lose by giving it all, and there's no shame in it.
Andrew Said:
"anyone who doesn't want to go to functions or listen or read book will not receive my help or any of my uplines help"
Andrew: you are indirect violation of Quixtar's Rules! You better go re-read them!
Andrew said: "I am an IBO myself for quixtar and very happy with the business and education. Because of it I was able to graduate from college with a great GPA which i didnt have 2 years ago. I also met my girlfriend during this time and we have had a great relationship thanks to the relationship books an upline recommended to me. So I myself, am happy with the business."
Yes, and in all that big long-winded rambline speech, you never once said: "I'm making good, regular income."
YOU might be happy with going to the functions with your GF and a 2.0 GPA, but my friend, if you aren't making GOOD REGULAR INCOME you don't have a business and you should go away and come back when you do.
You have nothing to say, until then.
sorry, I see you didn't say 2.0 GPA. My aplogies on that. You said, "good GPA which I didn't have two years ago."
my bad there.
"Because of it I was able to graduate from college with a great GPA which i didnt have 2 years ago. I also met my girlfriend during this time and we have had a great relationship thanks to the relationship books an upline recommended to me. So I myself, am happy with the business. I have met many of my best friends through this business and still keep good association with great friends who arn't doing the business."
But it's a business, not a social club, right? The measure of your success within it should be your monetary profit. how is that? The IRS will consider it a hobby if your rewards are limited to those described in your post.
"There are no winners and losers in this world. Only quitters and those who do not quit."
That's rather simplistic. Tape-speak, perhaps? What about someone who quits using a business model that doesn't work for them but achieves financial success with another business. Are they a winner-quitter?
"People seem to forget that Quixtar is a form of franchising."
No, it's not. Franchises are much more regulated than MLM ventures. If you are using that statement in recruiting, I believe you are in violation of Quixtar and perhaps FTC rules.
"So believe me when I say, your anger is at the individual people who wronged you. Not at the company's."
Perhaps, but doesn't the company have the responsibility to crack down/educate IBOs who create bad will and darken the company name when they break the company's rules (ie. not helping downline that don't participate in a system, claiming that Quixtar is a franchise, making bogus income claims).
I don't know. Perhaps the corp. has no such responsibility, However, by ignoring problems with the systems and IBOs, Quixtar is allowing ( if not tacitly encouraging) rule violations to occur and it effects the entire company.
I'm reminded of the Oedipus analogy in "The Unbearable Lightness of Being". The corp obviously knows about violations (QBlog has published enough internal correspondence that show this) and screaming :it's not OUR fault" doesn't make it any less real or any less of a problem for individual IBOs who are trying to recruit amid all the negativity.
Sorry for any typos. I'm holding a sleeping baby and only have one had to type :)
If Andrew A. hadn't mentioned BWW or that he is in Texas (or his org. is in TX), I would swear this was my former upline Diamond...
Imagine being in Egypt. You are a slave building pyramids. However, the pharoah says anyone can succeed. You just need to find slaves to build your pyramid. So you recruit and you finally get a following of about 500 slaves. They build you a huge pyramid, bigger than the previous pharoah. This proves that anyone ca succeed right? Wrong because for every pyrmid built, you need 500 slaves.
This is jult like quixtar. Anyone could succeed, but the vast majority will not. It's just the foundation of the business, that's how it works.
Andrew, if Quixtar were truly a form of franchising, the crap that is going on would cease.
I am happy for you that you've made great friends in this "business".
I hope you have a good income from your job, and I also hope you remember not to dump your expendible income into this "business" and that you do manage to put money into savings money every month.
It'll come in handy when you see this for what it is
my sister is part of this business for 4 1/2 years and started with a 18 month plan, then a 3year, then 5 year and now maybe 6-10 year plan. this is what has happened in 4 1/2 years, she is now divorced, in a small house(had a large beautiful home), her children are out of control because she is never home and gone almost every weekend, she never had to worry about money her husband made good money at his job, now her children are receiving free lunch at school, she has alienated her whole family and her only friends are the ones in the business. Ohh I forgot she is also dating her head ring leader. She goes to meetings during the week during the weekend getting home late, she looks exhausted. I have watched a whole family destroyed by this business and anyone who says it is good, I will highly debate you at anytime. I no longer have a sister and her children no longer have a mother!! Now that is deep!
My questions is, why do all these people go to the Internet looking for more information on Quixtar so that they end up seeing all the negative websites? It would seem to me that prospects are dying for information, which their upline and sponsor will not, or can't give them.
How often do IBOs say, "Just come to this next seminar for $25 or $90 and all your questions will be answer"? How many people go their questions answered at a seminar?
It is IBOs own fault people go to the Internet. They present an unbelievable story and people will go out and look for information to confirm or deny it.
Scott Larsen said "It is IBOs own fault people go to the Internet. They present an unbelievable story and people will go out and look for information to confirm or deny it."
Well said, Scott. You are my hero. I wish that I had access to Qblog and amquix.info when I was first in the biz, instead of 11 years in.
Speaking of blind, where is Poorhouse Tony? He was supposed to come back with all sorts of XS marketing information, right from the President of XS ?!?!?!
Tonybot, are you here honey?
This Andrew fellow seems like a nice friendly quixbot. His whole rambling ensemble basically boiled down to 3 erroneous assumptions that all of the bots make:
1) Anyone who quits the quixtar business is a loser.
2) Don't blame the MO's because tools are optional.
3) There are bad groups in amquix, but mine's is different.
Vini Vidi Vici
df wrote:
"Tonybot, are you here honey?"
WHOA!!!
Tony, you dawg you, you gotta secret admirer here!
Man, you may be blind when it comes to the evils of the quixscam business, but you sure know how to get the chicks!
mlmscam:
No, no, you got it all mixed up.
Tonybot is MY girlfriend on this site.
Now where did my little b*tch go????
My girlfriend referred to the 2 reply emails (after I told him "why I will not help you dupe my friends") received from Dominick-with-a-c-k as "creepily friendly."
-r
PS:
Andrew A. reminds me of Dominick-with-a-c-k.
*sighs*
If you are/were a nice/honest person, you've been manipulated and taken advantage of. You are now a subprocess of your 'upline' or whoever it was that first invited you to that meeting wherein they didn't tell you what it was before you WASTED YOUR TIME AND MADE YOURSELF INTO BAIT!
Just look at the emails back and forth on my blog (attached to my creditials).
-=-
"There are no winners and losers in this world. Only quitters and those who do not quit."
I find it amusing that when one quits their JOB when involved in Quix its considered a positive and labeled "Retiring." It is in fact quitting your employment and throwing all your chips into another pot. I know its semantics but you can see the obvious skewed mindset.
Wouldn't any quitting be a negative, even your JOB? Theoretically you could still advance and grow from any experience if you only continued it, even one so horrible as good honest employment.
Nice diatribe, Andrew. But Quixtar is a business, and business is about making money. Nowhere in your ramblings did you ever mention how much you are profitting! If I'm in a business and I think it is great, profit will certainly be very high on the list of reasons why, but you never mention money. Why is that? Is is because you and thousands of others aren't making that much?
Also, Quixtar is not a franchise, and to say it is or it is like franchising is against Quixtar's own rules, and the FTC. Franchises are governed by their own set of rules. For example, franchises must send out an offering circular to anyone interested in opening a franchise, Quixtar does not. Franchises also give out protected territories and agree not to open other franchises in a territory, Quixtar does not. In the end, Quixtar is lucky they are not a franchise, because they would have been shut down a long time ago.
And they reason why Quixtar would have been shut down is lack of retail sales. Do you retail, Andrew, or do you just buy from yourself and teach others to do so? If you are just a prosumer, again, you are acting against Quixtar and FTC regulations. Most IBO's have been and Quixtar has known about these violations for decades, yet have done nothing to stop them.
It's why AmQuix is a scam. Millions have lost billions, and continue to do so. And it's why there is so much negative out there. It's all valid and almost all true.
Screw Andrewbot, he's no fun.
Poorhouse Tony? Now HE's fun !!!!
Where did you go Tonybot?
Hey df, little word of advice... karma's a bitch! Keep it up toughguy, one day you're gonna talk smack to the wrong person. Oh wait thats right, you're just a filthy little 14 yr old girl who talks smack on the net. Waste :P
From the Extreme Freedom post:
Don't think for a second that you guys chased me off! I told you guys, I'm gonna stop wasting time and energy on here, and focus more on my job, and my business!
I agree with Bruce on both accounts - its like "some people here just go out of there way to antagonize" me... and "if you're gonna post be ready to take your lumps"!
I never cried foul, bruce was the one that said it.
mlm> The poor boy just couldn't take it any more over here.
Let's face it, if this were a boxing match, this would have been over in round 1 for him.
T> yea, says You buddy! Not to mention You're the 'poor boy'. Over in round 1? What a load of BS. Why don't you go back and re-read the 1st post of:
http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/archives/2005/06/happy_forumversary.php#comments
This was back in June. I've rebuttled every argument you guys put forth, from 70% rule to prices, to tools! You may not agree with me, thats why its called an Argument!! But sayng this was"over in the 1st round" is your biased critbot opinion.
And for the record, I never called anyone who quit a loser. I've said from day 1, that its not for everyone and just because you quit doesn't make you a loser! Someone said thats 1 of the 3 main arguments from All IBOs! Well surprise, surpirse, ANOTHER BS lie from a critic!! I NEVER made that argument!
And I outscore you guys on vulgar and abusive language?? HA! Talk about selective reading. I started out civil until you band of critbots, starting bashing me! Vulgar?? No, no, 'df' takes the ribbon on that one!! And lets not forget prasad's promotion of street violence!
Its been fun guys, but now I'm gonna go retail some more XS, get some corporate gift album accounts, and try to keep up with my 22 yr old sponsor making $2500 a month! Have fun assuming, generalizing, passing blame, twisting #'s, and throwing out hateful comments to new IBOs trying to share their personal experiences.
Oh, and check out www.thisbiznow.com - pretty cool stuff,
and you can see the gift albums at : http://www.quixtar.com/products/content.aspx?pid=2811&ctg=7017
If you don't see the value in these, I can't help you.
Oh, and in regards to the XS question:
Its the same as any of the Quixtar products, I can't put Double X or SA8 on a shelf to sell it.
The company was designed to create a person to person marketing relationship. Creating any form of 'mass marketing' is against the rules and regulations that Quixtar has set up. The only way XS can be promoted at retail establishments is with the "Have a Blast" marketing materials (www.xsgear.com) designed for Over-The-Counter sales.
Remember it was set up to give anyone from any walk of life the chance to own a small business. No mass marketing is allowed, and displaying the logos in public where its sold, falls into that category.
They can call it XS, or if you're just sampling you can display the can, but you can't display the logo when selling. With all the OTC 'Have a Blast' stuff, its not a big deal. Any bar that sells XS, the people who go there know its XS, and new people will see the OTC stuff and find out.
Don't bother helping me Tony, I can't see the value in your vacation gift books.
One I live in Alaska, no hotels offered here.
Two I can't see paying more then $100 a night for some of these $80 and under hotels.
Give an Amex gift card instead I say. It can be used anywhere and for anything.
Well if you're the "just hand'em 35 bucks type" - then fine.
No hotels offered in Alaska, then maybe you'd pick somewhere else! Visit Joecool in Hawaii!
YAY!!! We chased poor tony off the boards!!! YAY!!!
Face it tony, you don't have the moxie to keep up with the critics. What are you, a big chicken?
Chiiicken Toneee, Chiiicken Toneee, Chiiicken Toneee!
tonybot wrote (back on 7/1):
"All the people who keep saying "this isn't a "forum", post in the "forum" - he was talking about the "forum", this is a blog - theres a difference" -- you people are morons!!"
Tony, this is your opening strike. You were the one who first started with the name calling on this blog. Go check it out for yourself.
So cut the crap and stop blaming myself, rocket, df, or dawson for antagonizing you. You brought it all on yourself.
Oh, there's Poorhouse Tony!
Hey, did you get that XS information, right from the president of XS (as you said you would) or right from your upline (as we all guessed you would).
You were man enough to admit that you weren't making any $$$ yet, so your candor here would be appreciated.
Poorhouse Tony> "They can call it XS, or if you're just sampling you can display the can, but you can't display the logo when selling.
DF> Which is why everyone asks for Red Bull at the bar.
Poorhouse Tony>"With all the OTC 'Have a Blast' stuff, its not a big deal. Any bar that sells XS, the people who go there know its XS, and new people will see the OTC stuff and find out"
DF> I am yet to hang out with anyone looking for Tony's product specifically. Then again, I hang out at 'straight' bars, so maybe Tony is marketing elsewhere?
"...I've rebuttled [sic] every argument you guys put forth, from 70% rule to prices, to tools!..."
In your own MIND maybe, but your assertions are typically outright wrong. When they're shredded, you just say the same wrong thing again, as if the truth is determined by what was said last or most frequently.
"... You may not agree with me, thats why its called an Argument!!..."
And when you apply fallacious cult "logic" to an invalid premise, you speak nonsense which gets shredded. That's called losing an argument.
"... But sayng this was"over in the 1st round" is your biased critbot opinion."
You're bringing a knife to a gunfight. Worse: you're a tennis player showing up at a boxing match prepared to play tennis. THAT is "over in the first round". Why? Because (as above) you're starting from the INVALID premise that what you're involved in is a legitimate business, when it's neither. At best (the way it's being operated by the pyramid cultists) it's a glorified buyer's club misleading prospective members that they can legitimately profit.
No matter how good your logic (which unfortunately yours is not), applied to a faulty premise it will invariably lead to a faulty conclusion.
You keep on about retailing XS and gift albums, whatever. Are you DOING IT? Are people in your group doing it? If not, it's just hypothetical, wishful thinking. How many people in your upline's group are in your same position, breaking at best even, not considering all the real expenses, merely moving your own money up the pyramid to him? How much would that add up to? $2500/mo? Work it out, not for us, but for yourself.
And that diamond, how many are doing that for him? Bet you at least 90% of what he gets is going straight from your pockets to his. That's not legitimate, you're not in "business", and the only business he's in is deceiving you. You guys pay him well for that.
Tony didn't address the part about the vast majority of the group losing money or breaking even while the diamond and a few directs make all the money.
Tony contends that this is "paying their dues", but it looks more like a money losing proposition to me.
Also, Tony doesn't explain where the vast wealth of the diamond comes from when the group is lacking in retail sales.
mlm, if you think ME calling you a moron just back in July was the '1st strike' you're a complete idiot!! I started posting back about 6 months ago! It took like a whole 3 days, before some of you guys started calling me idiot, or imbecile, etc.
mlm> "Pat, I think I would like to buy a clue, I mean vowel... an XS"
Pat> "I'm sorry, XS is not a vowel, its a consonant, in fact its 2 consonants, you lose your spin for being stupid".
df, actually I Have talked to Scott Koon, the prez of XS, but he wasn't at FED this weekend. And No thats not what 'my upline' told me, nibble nuts. Thats what I was told by someone who works for XS. Email them yourself.
bystandard, once again, this is your opinion. MY opinion is you couldn't shred cheese :) Call it a pyramid, a scam, illegal, a cult, etc. - NONE are true!
bystandard> You keep on about retailing XS and gift albums, whatever. Are you DOING IT? Are people in your group doing it?
T> YEA, J@CKA$$, we are!! I've got 2 bars and a gym carrying XS, and I've got a downline with a corporate Gift Album account!! Over $7000 worth of albums so far!!
How can you guys not get the concept of franchising, and being paid for where you're at?? Especially YOU joe18 - you were a 4000PVer!!
Where's the 'vast majority' of the Walton family wealth come from? From the stuff You're buying from them!!
Of course my sponsor makes more than me, he's got a bigger business than me, but if I outwork him, I can pass up his income! But even at 100pv you make $7-8!! At 1000pv you make $250! Who says only Diamonds make money or maybe a few directs. What an ignorant statement!
And thats what it is - its Ignorance! You people are ignorant to the facts. I had a crossline making $1000 at just 2500pv! Most 4000's make $1000 - THAT'S MAKING MONEY!!
Small business = small bonus
BIG Business = BIG bonus!!
I don't care if you get it or not, my check arriving the 17th of each month is not dependant upon you having a clue.
oh by the way
Joe18> Also, Tony doesn't explain where the vast wealth of the diamond comes from when the group is lacking in retail sales.
T> everyone gets paid on volume! It doesn't matter to a Diamond if a sale is to an IBO or retail! They don't get paid more for retail, only the selling IBO would see the profit for retail market. To the Diamond its just volume. And like I said above, where does the Walton family make their money? On volume, of the stuff You're buying!
T> everyone gets paid on volume! It doesn't matter to a Diamond if a sale is to an IBO or retail! They don't get paid more for retail, only the selling IBO would see the profit for retail market. To the Diamond its just volume. And like I said above, where does the Walton family make their money? On volume, of the stuff You're buying!
Joecool> Tony, that's entirely my point. Because the diamond's groups don't do enough retail, the diamond's volume comes from the downline, or the diamond's bonus is coming from the pockets of his/her downline. Sam Walton does not make his money from his employees, it is generated by customers.
Tony> How can you guys not get the concept of franchising, and being paid for where you're at?? Especially YOU joe18 - you were a 4000PVer!!
Joecool> Tony, quixtar is not a franchise. The businesses do not run the same way. Yes, the products are the same but the service delivery is not. Also, franchises do careful research to determine whether a new franchise can be successful or not. People don't stalk others at Borders or grocery stores looking for new franchisees.
Is that a month? what do you spend in a month to make $1000?
How many hours a week do you work? that includes meetings, seminars on the weekend!
I agree withjoecool18 my sister goes to the mall to recruit the cashiers their, tell me that is not strange!
Sue, I did a post on another blog topic. Basically, if you spend $270 a month to get your $100 PV, and $200 a month average on tools, and sponsor 10 people who each sponsor one. You now have a group of 21 IBO's including yourself. In this case, you make $2040 in bonuses for the year. If you put in 10 hours per week, you made $3.92 an hour. However, for you to make that whopping sum, all 20 of your group loses about $5000 each. No one including Tony tried to explain how the business works despite my illustration.
Oh goody, Tony's back. So, Tony, did that FED give you any actual information on how to make your business profitable?
T>Its the same as any of the Quixtar products, I can't put Double X or SA8 on a shelf to sell it. The company was designed to create a person to person marketing relationship.
DI> In other words, it's designed to make sure the IBO earns as little money as possible. Now, Tony, you can't possibly try to tell me that people are gonna be buying XS by the case from a bar! So your previous BS example COMPLETELY falls apart here! Or are you gonna attempt to tell me that somehow it'll be cheaper to buy XS from a bar than an individual IBO?
So the end result is only that clairvoyants who somehow "know" that the bar sells XS will buy it. Great way to protect the IBO there, buddy.
T> How can you guys not get the concept of franchising,
DI> It is for the very reason that we UNDERSTAND what a franchise is that we say that Quixtar is nowhere close to being a real franchise.
T> And thats what it is - its Ignorance! You people are ignorant to the facts.
DI> Pot, meet kettle. Shake hands.
Oh and Tony--how much time do you spend a week working on your "business" just to arrive at a big, fat $0?
Come back and talk about business when you're making above minimum wage.
Sue, you need to sit down with someone to have them explain how this works.
You seem to think that in order to make $1000 you have to be spending more than that. That is Wrong! I could spend $250., or better yet, I could spend NOTHING, and if I had just 5 clients doing 20 points each, and I had developed a team, for a group total of 4000pv, I'd be makng $1000.
I spend 5-8 hours a week gong to meetings or making calls. I thought talking to 'strangers' was kinda weird too, until I realize that you're just offering someone an opportunity. There are Diamonds in this business making over $100,000 because someone they didn't know introduced them to it.
Joe, your example is grossly wrong! first of all $250 (BV) = 100pv, what the HECK is $100pv?? And how are you gonna count the "$270" they're spending in PRODUCTS as part of their "$5,000 loss"?? You're insane dude! You're twisting numbers!! Thats what I'm talking about!
And also 22 people doing 100pv is 2200pv a month. That's 5500BV. 15% of your $250 is $37.50, then your 12% of each leg (2 guys at 100pv/250bv) is $60. $60 x 10 is $600!! + your $37.50 is $637.50 x 12 = $7650!! At 10 hrs a week, thats almost $15 an hour!!
Now if you helped each of your 10 guys do the same, that'd be RUBY with over 20,000PV in your group. You'd make over $5,000 a month not counting all your bonuses!! I'd say 'do the math' but I don't think you can actually DO math Joe - after I just tore apart your 'illustration'. Maybe you should stick to illustrating with crayons!!
THIS IS WHY YOU CAN'T COME TO THIS SITE EXPECTING UNBIASED FACTS! YOU EITHER FIND TWISTED #'S OR OUTRIGHT LIES!!!
I'm sure you're a nice person Joe - but you're bitter about this business - and your 'illustration' was downright criminal!!
I'd like to address this issue of "quitting" that the pro-quixtar folks talk about.
Quitting does not necessarily mean that someone is a loser or broke or whatever. There are times when quitting is good. I "quit" taking drugs, I "quit smoking. I "quit" quixtar. These can be deemed good instances of quitting.
Just because someone quits quixtar, it doesn't mean they quit having a dream or they quit having goals. they simply do not see quixtar as a means to accomplish what they want.
The bottom line is that at any quixtar meeting, there are a few people makng money and the rest do not. Those who don't make money are wise to quit unless they are profitable. It's just a good business decision.
Tony> Joe, your example is grossly wrong! first of all $250 (BV) = 100pv, what the HECK is $100pv?? And how are you gonna count the "$270" they're spending in PRODUCTS as part of their "$5,000 loss"?? You're insane dude! You're twisting numbers!! Thats what I'm talking about!
Joecool> Ok, I meant 100PV. Of course you count the money spent on product because it's part of the business. You need that 100 PV to get your bonus. Even if you don't count that, a group of 20 still loses money and the one upline makes very little. I've drawn it out before.
Ok Tony, I removed the cost of doing 100 PV. Please explain how this is successful.
1 CORE IBO (group leader). Spends about $250 a month or $3000 a year building the business. This includes functions, KATE, CD’s/Tapes, gas, local functions, etc.
This CORE IBO personally sponsors 10 CORE IBO’s and each of those CORE IBO’s sponsor 1 CORE IBO.
The group now consists of 21 CORE IBO’s. They collectively spend about $63,000 a year building the business or about $5250 a month.
The group bonus (assuming all make 100 PV and 250 BV) is 2100 PV, or about 5,250 BV. 2100 PV = 15% bonus or $787.50.
So the 1 CORE IBO pays out 10 groups of 200PV/500 BV. Or 10 x $15 = $150.
So now the IBO who started the group makes $637 - $250 (expenses) - $387 profit.
Lets say this person works 12 hours/week. That’s 48 hours, or $8.06 per hour. This is very conservative as someone with a group of 20 would likely spend more than 12 hours working the business and have more expenses.
All the other 20 IBO’s got $7.50 rebate (100PV/250BV @ 3% rebate)), and less expenses, they all lost $242.50/month.
So in this “successful� group, 1 person makes $387 in a month, or $4644 per year.
All the other 20 in the groups loses $242.50 a month or $2910 per year. So when you add up the group income, it’s $9450 a year, and business expenses = $63,000 for a group net loss of .$53,550. Broken down, you have the group leader making $4644 in one year and all the rest of his/her group losing $2910.
This does not factor in "inactive" IBO's or the fact that over half of the people who sign up end up quitting.
Ok Tony, your turn.
Poorhouse Tony: I am glade to see that you came back from FED all 'fired up'.
It makes breaking you even more enjoyable.
As expected, you didn't come through on your promise. You said you would talk to the XS prez, you didn't.
One would think that you, as a 'business owner', would know who is coming to your own 'meetings'.....
...guess not !!
Hope that check comes for you on the 17th Tony. Hope it covers all of your previous monthly expenses......
.....but I doubt that too.
Ok, so you're really selling some, that's the kind of thing we like to know. $7k is your cumulative? Over how long? How's repeat business doing?
Yes, bonus depends on volume, but you can't neglect to count part of the purchase price of products as an expense. Not the whole price; the products DO have value, but the value of them (to the corp) is the purchase price less the portion of it they kick back to the PYRAMID of CULTISTS, or 34%. That's what they could sell it to you for if they weren't running a pyramid scheme with products as a cover.
Otherwise you come across with a lot of "if's" that could be good examples except they would be SO exceptional to the way things are, have been, and will continue to operate.
"THIS IS WHY YOU CAN'T COME TO THIS SITE EXPECTING UNBIASED FACTS! YOU EITHER FIND TWISTED #'S OR OUTRIGHT LIES!!!" said the teapot to the lonely kettle.
Joecool> 1 CORE IBO (group leader). Spends about $250 a month or $3000 a year building the business. This includes functions, KATE, CD’s/Tapes, gas, local functions, etc.
This CORE IBO personally sponsors 10 CORE IBO’s and each of those CORE IBO’s sponsor 1 CORE IBO.
The group now consists of 21 CORE IBO’s. They collectively spend about $63,000 a year building the business or about $5250 a month.
The group bonus (assuming all make 100 PV and 250 BV) is 2100 PV, or about 5,250 BV. 2100 PV = 15% bonus or $787.50.
So the 1 CORE IBO pays out 10 groups of 200PV/500 BV. Or 10 x $15 = $150.
So now the IBO who started the group makes $637 - $250 (expenses) - $387 profit.
Lets say this person works 12 hours/week. That’s 48 hours, or $8.06 per hour. This is very conservative as someone with a group of 20 would likely spend more than 12 hours working the business and have more expenses.
All the other 20 IBO’s got $7.50 rebate (100PV/250BV @ 3% rebate)), and less expenses, they all lost $242.50/month.
So in this “successful� group, 1 person makes $387 in a month, or $4644 per year.
All the other 20 in the groups loses $242.50 a month or $2910 per year. So when you add up the group income, it’s $9450 a year, and business expenses = $63,000 for a group net loss of .$53,550. Broken down, you have the group leader making $4644 in one year and all the rest of his/her group losing $2910.
This does not factor in "inactive" IBO's or the fact that over half of the people who sign up end up quitting.
Tony> ?????
Joecool> 1 CORE IBO (group leader). Spends about $250 a month or $3000 a year building the business. This includes functions, KATE, CD’s/Tapes, gas, local functions, etc.
This CORE IBO personally sponsors 10 CORE IBO’s and each of those CORE IBO’s sponsor 1 CORE IBO.
The group now consists of 21 CORE IBO’s. They collectively spend about $63,000 a year building the business or about $5250 a month.
The group bonus (assuming all make 100 PV and 250 BV) is 2100 PV, or about 5,250 BV. 2100 PV = 15% bonus or $787.50.
So the 1 CORE IBO pays out 10 groups of 200PV/500 BV. Or 10 x $15 = $150.
So now the IBO who started the group makes $637 - $250 (expenses) - $387 profit.
Lets say this person works 12 hours/week. That’s 48 hours, or $8.06 per hour. This is very conservative as someone with a group of 20 would likely spend more than 12 hours working the business and have more expenses.
All the other 20 IBO’s got $7.50 rebate (100PV/250BV @ 3% rebate)), and less expenses, they all lost $242.50/month.
So in this “successful� group, 1 person makes $387 in a month, or $4644 per year.
All the other 20 in the groups loses $242.50 a month or $2910 per year. So when you add up the group income, it’s $9450 a year, and business expenses = $63,000 for a group net loss of .$53,550. Broken down, you have the group leader making $4644 in one year and all the rest of his/her group losing $2910.
This does not factor in "inactive" IBO's or the fact that over half of the people who sign up end up quitting.
Tony> ?????
Joecool> 1 CORE IBO (group leader). Spends about $250 a month or $3000 a year building the business. This includes functions, KATE, CD’s/Tapes, gas, local functions, etc.
This CORE IBO personally sponsors 10 CORE IBO’s and each of those CORE IBO’s sponsor 1 CORE IBO.
The group now consists of 21 CORE IBO’s. They collectively spend about $63,000 a year building the business or about $5250 a month.
The group bonus (assuming all make 100 PV and 250 BV) is 2100 PV, or about 5,250 BV. 2100 PV = 15% bonus or $787.50.
So the 1 CORE IBO pays out 10 groups of 200PV/500 BV. Or 10 x $15 = $150.
So now the IBO who started the group makes $637 - $250 (expenses) - $387 profit.
Lets say this person works 12 hours/week. That’s 48 hours, or $8.06 per hour. This is very conservative as someone with a group of 20 would likely spend more than 12 hours working the business and have more expenses.
All the other 20 IBO’s got $7.50 rebate (100PV/250BV @ 3% rebate)), and less expenses, they all lost $242.50/month.
So in this “successful� group, 1 person makes $387 in a month, or $4644 per year.
All the other 20 in the groups loses $242.50 a month or $2910 per year. So when you add up the group income, it’s $9450 a year, and business expenses = $63,000 for a group net loss of .$53,550. Broken down, you have the group leader making $4644 in one year and all the rest of his/her group losing $2910.
This does not factor in "inactive" IBO's or the fact that over half of the people who sign up end up quitting.
Tony> ?????
Tony,
you are so wrong, You will finally wake up and realize you were scammed! My son to be ex-brother-in-law, was in it for 21/2 yrs untill he realized that you have to lie to people, because you will not make it on quixtar alone! my sister who has been in the business(also dating the king pin of her group) for 4 1/2 years and is receiving free lunch for her children and can not afford to pay a babysitter tell me this is the business to be in. In reality what is $1000 a month that is poverty. You spend more than that to make it, you can lay all your formulas down all you want, it takes alot more money to run this business then you make. My sister has gone through her $39,000 cash her ex husband gave her and she has been asking him for more!!!!!!!! and she only buys from quixtar. how come know it is a 6-10 year plan... when she started she was going to be financial free in 18 months - 3 years!! I will never forget those words, she is working more then she ever did!!!
Well I'm very interested in a situation that came along
Well a friend of mine is an IBO. She meet a man that is also an IBO and they like each other is this a problem if there are dating or if they get merit what are the rules in this business that involves single people that getting involved with someone that is in the same organization not same sponsor and there like to date or get merit. Please can you help her and him.
"I'm really wondering because I am trying to find work. You see, I am legally blind, I don't know if you know anybody (or possibly yourslef) knows what that means. I saw this oppertunity to get a job"
N.C.:
The quixtar opportunity IS NOT a job. It is based on a commission structure where you get paid based on how much volume you move to the end consumer. You DO NOT earn any type of wage or salary for doing so.
Posted by: mlmscam | September 5, 2005 4:26 PM