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September 8, 2005
Free FED
By QBlog in Miscellaneous
An IBO in WWDB sent me an email about Quixtar's Free Enterprise Days (FED). Apparently there's an offer for WWDB Premier members to receive two free non-IBO guest tickets.
The IBO believes that such an offer, to non-IBOs, is unprecedented. The tickets reportedly cost $125.
Can anyone shed more light on this or provide more context?
Comments
Antoher excuse to say no to other folks.
What, TEAM / BWW is selling them, WWDB is giving them free, so shame on you :D
And for WWDB folks, tell them you are in passport ;)
A few things I see with the tickets. First and foremost, you must be on Premier membership to qualify for this.
How much does that cost per month?
You have to attend FED in order for your two prospects to acquire this promotion.
Can't the leaders help you out with this if you have other committments? How about your upline?
You don't get the AQMO "credit" towards any promotions. If they ain't in, they don't count.
You MUST have purchased your tickets DIRECTLY through WWDB. That way THEY get your money.
I can just hear the promotion slogan, you get them here, we'll get them in.
OR
If they don't get in after being at FED, they would have failed anyways.
The thing I think sucks is that you have to have bought your tickets FIRST before you can apply for your "free" guests. I think what's going on is they make reference to the fact that if you are paying for you and your spouse and another couple, you get half off.
AND it's incentive for you to buy your ticket early to ensure you attend. If you don't find anyone to go, well, YOU'RE going.
I wonder how it all turns out though.
They're sure trying to do something.
We must remember that the weekend functions contain every indication of being an indoctrination session. The natural state of man includes (but is not limited to):
Idolatry
Jealousy
Greed
Covetousness
All of these things are present in these functions. The speakers will talk a lot about God, which places the above in a postive rather than a negative light.
With that being said, I would submit the possibility that they are trying to get people indoctrinated before they are actually in, that way you don't have to convince a person to come to a function after registering them. They get a free ride to function and if they are responsive, they get in real fast (sometimes they register in the middle of the function, I have seen that before), and the bonus is that they are already in the system. It makes perfect sense from the recruiters end.
Even for free, it's a bad deal.
There's nothing entrepreneurial about being in quixtar. An entrepreneur is innovative and can sort of "freestyle" their business. With quixtar, there are ridiculous
company regulations plus the ones the upline puts on you.
It's ironic that they call it "free enterprise" day. There's nothing free about it.
Somebody please kick the critbot stereo - the record seems to be stuck.
This Free FED ticket promotion makes me think that sponsoring new IBO's has not been going well for WWG lately and/or that function attendance is down. This has never been done in the 11 years I was in WWG.
Tony, don't you have anything constructive to add?
Tony,
Please answer me these questions:
1. Do the speakers at FED promote a bunch of material things (whether or not they promote other things, too)?
2. Are you in meetings for long stretches with little break time in between?
3. Do the meetings cover informative information for 80% of the content? (By this, I do NOT refer to telling you to get a dream).
4. Do the people at FED still chant funny things and idolize the leaders on stage?
Thanks,
X
Somebody please kick the critbot stereo - the record seems to be stuck.
Posted by: Tony at September 8, 2005 07:28 PM
Tony, at least the critbots have some original thoughts instead of the tapespeak phrases that are all too predictable. The pro quixtar posters all have tha same theme. My upine told me, my upline diamond is making money, yadda yadda yadda. Same old same old.
By the way, did Ryan Hicks go diamond yet?
T> Somebody please kick the critbot stereo - the record seems to be stuck.
DI> Wow, Tony can't even offer a rebuttal anymore. Shouldn't you be at Borders building your "business"?
TD, something constructive? Sorry did that for months, you guys didn't listen.
I know in BWW we're not giving out free tickets, we have No problem with dropping atendance. In fact this past FED, it wasn't even a BWW FED - it was just a Winters FED!! At last years FED there were over 20,000, and it was the whole Eastcoast BWW team. This year it was just Larry's team and there were over 18,000 people there!! I don't know about WWG, WWDB, all I know is the Winters Markiewizc team is geting huge!!
X
1. a bunch? no. Some? yes. (you guys ask for proof, but then blast the Diamonds for giving it. You say it ok to have nice things, but then act like they're materialistic for having them. Make up your minds guys!
2. You sit in an arena (where they play hockey and basketball) there are multiple speakers, you can get up and walk around, use the bathroom, go to the concessions whenever you want, just like @ a hockey or basketball game.
3. yea, they do - and also, guess what? Getting a dream is a tip - it Is important. If you don't have a desire for something more, you're gonna sit on your a$$ and watch 'Survivor'. Its ok to be happy, but not satisfied. Its a good thing to have a dream.
4. no, no funny chants / and no... 'respect', 'admire', but not 'idolize'.
I agree with Tony, winters are going HUGE. Always. As mastda on forum told his and Rex Renfrow problems. But Winters sorta invented QI and hotel Opens. Renfrow was old school, board + home plan. Winters grew so big in first year that he became too cocky. Renfrow told Britt either me or him (not sure what that mean).
Later Renfrow also started QI + Opens. Now all do.
Tony,
Just because I didn't change my opinion and agree with you, doesn't mean I didn't listen to you.
I find it interesting that Tony can't explain this.
You are right. Attendance is way down. Last year at the FED in Portland the numbers were really low compared to other years.
When the systems that have always been caught up in "if you only have the choice of paying your electric bill or paying your upline-you pay your upline first". Then for them to do a 180 and start giving away tickets for free is a VERY strong message that the business on the West coast is not growing but dying.
Numbers at functions have ALWAYS been one of the key indicators of a pulse on how an organization was growing.
For WWG to be growing slowly is one thing but to be declining in numbers is a really bad sign for the future of that group.
It's only a matter of time before this trend hits the East coast.
The "cancer" in the systems has grown to a point where it can't be contained anymore.
Now, it's just a matter of time before it eats through the whole BSMs.
Bon Apetit!
Barney> Then for them to do a 180 and start giving away tickets for free is a VERY strong message that the business on the West coast is not growing but dying.
Joecool> WWDB is primarily on the west coast I believe. Most of the big kingpins live in Washington State (Seattle?) so maybe the business is dying a slow death.
JoeCool>"There's nothing entrepreneurial about being in quixtar. An entrepreneur is innovative and can sort of "freestyle" their business. With quixtar, there are ridiculous
company regulations plus the ones the upline puts on you"
Poorhouse Tony>"Somebody please kick the critbot stereo - the record seems to be stuck"
I find it amazing that Tonybot can't find a better comeback than that?
What happened Tonybot, have your run out of justifications.
If JoeCool is wrong, just refute his points with irrefutable evidence.
Or can't you do that.......????
It's very interesting how Tony describes the group that he is a part of.
I admire that "stars in the eyes" excitement. I remember when I went through that.
That's the very thing that the BSM's at major functions like an FED prey on. I remember guys like Garry Sadden and Don Lyod always saying that they never made money off the major functions even a major one.
It was quite comical to find out after that not only did make money off it and lied about it, but the amount of money that made off of it was enough to want to make you throw up.
Garry Sadden and Don Lyoyd for were famous for using thier downlines ticket money to pay thier mortgage bills while we would have to wait to the very day of the function to get our tickets.
Now multiply that by 1000 and that's how fast the "cancer" spreads.
This could be a trying to kill three birds with one stone. WWDB did away with expensive tapes earlier this year; they dropped the price from $7 to $2.50 for those IBOs who signed up for the monthly $38 Premier Membership. I know in my own group that only half of those who are on standing order signed up for Premier Membership. This could have happened in other groups. Suddenly, as a Platinum, instead of earning $1 per tape, I was earning $4.50 per tape/CD from all those not on Premier Membership! Do you think there was incentive for me to get them signed up for Premier Membership? No, the Platinums have little reason other than system loyalty to recommend PM unless an IBO is brand new and spending a ton of extra money on tools; then a Plat would recommend PM for the downline's own good.
So perhaps WWDB is hoping that this promotion will have three results:
1. More Premier Membership signups to get that CD $$ back in the Diamonds' pockets.
2. Increase attendance thereby motivating the current IBOs as Scott Larsen mentioned above.
3. More signups as prospects get "fired up" at the cult-like function.
It looks like a well-crafted promotion filling three needs at once. We'll see if it works.
Rocket,
To answer your question of how much the premier membership costs is that it ranges.
Basic membership: $25/year to get access to wwdb.com
enhanced membership: $16.95 per month- includes personal my.biz and access to wwdb.com
premier membership:$37.95 includes discounts on CD's, books, tapes, functions,
premier w/my.biz:$40.90 all the bells and whistles.
I was paying $40.90 per month for my my.biz website, but I dropped all the bells and whistles to a mere $16.95 per month to host my website.
xanadustic, I agree with your comment about the functions:
3. Do the meetings cover informative information for 80% of the content? (By this, I do NOT refer to telling you to get a dream).
No, they don't. Which is a major reason why I stopped attending functions. Yeah, ok Dean Kosage was the only cool speaker at the function because he is young and is somewhat more knowledgeable about today's demographics. But I won't waste my time at a whole function to sit around waiting for him. I'd rather spend that weekend getting more retail clients. The only thing good about a function is if you have IBO's in another city that is growing, you kind of want a centralized place to meet. Other than that, you don't need to attend functions.
GET YOUR PIECE OF THE PYRAMID NOW!!! THE FOLLOWING MEMBERSHIP PLANS ARE NOW AVAILABLE:
Basic membership: $25/year to get access to wwdb.com
enhanced membership: $16.95 per month- includes personal my.biz and access to wwdb.com
premier membership:$37.95 includes discounts on CD's, books, tapes, functions,
premier w/my.biz:$40.90 all the bells and whistles.
Whatever happened to gold, silver, platinum etc.? LOL
MLMscam,
Will that be visa or mastercard?
Worldwide Dream Builders Runs "Blue Light Special" on FED Tickets
http://www.amquix.info/humor/bluelight/bluehight.html
Mikebot:
I think you had better get back to selling NASCAR memorabillia. I think you have a better chance selling THAT crap than THIS crap. Good luck with your crap !!!
I admire Mike.
This guy seems to be running the Quixtar business like a business.
I won't put a lot of weight on how much he's making but at least he's trying.
Mikebot is trying to emulate David Robinson's model; which isn't bad.
But it still overpriced/substandard product (in a lot of cases, IMO). So he's not so bright for trying to sell crap.
Again, this is a guy who once tried to sell NASCAR memorabilia....
Do I need to say more?
If Mike is retailing and doing the business legit, then that's cool. He would be the exception, but at least it's good to know that some people are running the business the way it was intended. I personlly have aproblem with the premium prices charged for less than premium products (IMO).
Thanks for answering the cost Michael. Glad you're not paying through the nose just to associate with a bunch of wannabe winners.
So, in order to have guests come for free, you MUST be on premier membership.
Maybe they're trying to bump up the number of people on premier memberships.
I don't doubt that that particular organization will announce a significant spike in their membership after FED, and attribute it all to the people who took advantage of being on premier membership, having guests for free.
You'd think if the name of the game was product movement IBO's, irregardless of being on premier membership, would be able to have people come for free to become exposed in the "superior" products.
Better get on premier membership Tonybot. Don't you dare miss it!
Is it a rules violation for non-IBO's to attend weekend seminars where income claims are discussed?
Hey Tony you Moron,
The reason that it was billed as a "Winters FED" is because they can't exactly promote a Britt/Miller "How to Cheat on your Wife" FED
Lamplighter,
That is a really good point. The "Biz" has always been about spinning things. So you take a really bad situation and turn it into the next sliced bread. It's like turning crap into candy coated ice cream.
The winters had a boost in numbers because Bill Britt lost crediability.
It's interesting though. Brian Herosian's group who is a EDC out of Winnipeg, Maintoba, Canada. Has Bill Britt coming in to do a "put out the fires" and do rumour control with his group.
His website address is: www.herosian.com
And the username is bbh
the password to get in is: eagle.
See for yourself. All the info of Bill Britts trip is on that website.
Barney> The winters had a boost in numbers because Bill Britt lost crediability.
T> Do you care to explain that? How does Bill Britt supposedly 'losing credibilty' help Larry's numbers go up?? Do you guys even understand how the business works, or do you just spit out words and see where they land?
Larry Winters' group is growing by leeps and bounds! He may break 6+ new Diamonds next year!! Bill Britt's personal life has nothing to do with his success.
Last year's FED was a BWW FED! Even though Bill wasn't there himself. It was the whole Eastcoast BWW team, Wayne Calendar was there, and Rocky Covington along with a bunch of Diamonds I never really heard before. Not a single Emerald talked, it was Just Diamonds.
But now Larry's team has gotten big enough where he's doing his own FEDs!! It had nothing to do with the personal lives Britt or Miller. Any implication otherwise is purely ignorant.
If you want relevant facts go to thisbiznow.com or quixtarfacts.com
Wow, Tony, thought you were gone for good.
You've got some unfinished business on this thread here:
http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/archives/2005/09/monday_reader_mail_56.php#comments
Making any money yet?
Poorhouse Tony:
I am glade to see that you came back from FED all 'fired up'.
It makes breaking you even more enjoyable.
As expected, you didn't come through on your promise. You said you would talk to the XS prez, you didn't.
One would think that you, as a 'business owner', would know who is coming to your own 'meetings'.....
...guess not !!
Hope that check comes for you on the 17th Tony. Hope it covers all of your previous monthly expenses......
.....but I doubt that too.
Posted by: df at September 8, 2005 10:28 PM
Don,
I am TIRED of bickering with you! YES, I get a check Every month! Anywhere from $100- $200! 'Kate is $31.95, tools are less than $40, my website is $15, weekly open is $3/week. (Around $100/month)
I spend about 5 hours a week on average doing something, either making calls, or going to the open/training, etc... maybe 8 in a good week!
It's called investing in yourself genius. How many times have I talked about the guy I know who owns a paintball store? For TWO YEARS he never took home a paycheck (his wife worked) but now their paintball business is all that they do!! Same with college - after 4 years I was $40,000+ in the hole! FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS!!! And you guys wanna talk about a $15 website and only breaking even?? Look this up: Business owner mentality vs Employee mentality. Its why many of you either quit, or don't understand this.
df, you couldn't break wind, let alone ME little boy.
I didn't talk to the prez of XS because he WASN'T THERE!! He Was there last year, and has been at other functions as well. I may be a business owner, but I'm not the one RUNNING the conference, d!ckhead!! How the h#ll am I supposed to know if Scott Koon is gonna be there, especially if something comes up last second and he has to cancel. You are a complete piece of Sh!t and not worth my spit.
Don't be surprised if I ignore your futile and stupid responses, I'm trying to waste less time reading this pathetic, ignorant bullsh!t!
Have a nice day :)
(Anyone notice how they expect me to answer everything, but yet no one addresses A WORD of questions or points I make? hmm?)
Tony> I get a check Every month! Anywhere from $100- $200! 'Kate is $31.95, tools are less than $40, my website is $15, weekly open is $3/week. (Around $100/month)
DI> WOW, Tony, that's just amazing! You get $200 per month? How can I ever hope to beat you? Now, let's see, if you work 5hr/week, that's 20hr/mo. So, even without your expenses you're making $5/hr. Wow, Tony, what a great business that lets you work for blow minimum wage! (Or, with your expenses, for a big fat ZERO.)
Tony> Business owner mentality vs Employee mentality. Its why many of you either quit, or don't understand this.
DI> Yes, Tony, everyone who criticizes this business of yours just doesn't have the "mentality." maybe they weren't dropped on their head when they were kids.
I own a REAL business, Tony, and I know what it's like not to make money for the first year. Happened to me too: I had to expand my business, had to pay off moving-in-related costs, had to pay off debt from the purchase of the business. However, Tony, you have NO DEBT and no costs associated with a real business. And you're still making jack squat!
To expand my business, I advertised in newspapers, I looked for the cheapest source of materials that I could find, and I built a good pricing system to get customers to come to ME. And guess what Tony, they come to me now!
You, Tony, can't advertise, can't find cheaper suppliers, your prices are way higher than competitors, and there's no way for customers to find out about you. So, what are you doing Tony, building your business by harassing more and more people in bookstores? So you invest more time to get a little bit more returns. I work the same amount time, and make more and more money because customers come to me. THAT'S a real business owner mentality. You're just a pathetic salesman.
Oh, and Tony, REAL business owners don't need tools to motivate them. They're smart enough to figure out how to create a profitable business by themselves.
So, Tony, come back when you're making above minimum wage.
Send Poorhouse Tony to the scrap heap!
DI just broke our last ambot !!!
DI> "You, Tony, can't advertise, can't find cheaper suppliers, your prices are way higher than competitors, and there's no way for customers to find out about you. So, what are you doing Tony, building your business by harassing more and more people in bookstores? So you invest more time to get a little bit more returns. I work the same amount time, and make more and more money because customers come to me. THAT'S a real business owner mentality. You're just a pathetic salesman.
Oh, and Tony, REAL business owners don't need tools to motivate them. They're smart enough to figure out how to create a profitable business by themselves.
So, Tony, come back when you're making above minimum wage."
Wow.
Game Over.
Game over?, no Here's 'Game Over' dimwads? Hey Don, here's a news flash - you're not a business owner, you're self-employed! For the rest of your life, YOU have to BE there. As long as you want to make money, you have to actively be doing something!
Guess what, Larry Winters was once where I am! It took him over 5 years just to hit 7500pv! Now he makes RESIDUAL income!! He doesn't have to do jackshit! He could literally have 100pv set-up on ditto, and have his checks direct deposited to his account, and for 5 years he could go tour Europe, or Whatever he wanted.
He hasn't shown the plan in almost 5 years! All he does is mentor is his personal legs to help them move on. And one of his downline has now PASSED him!! Joe M is a Double Diamond! Joe's like 41 years old and Larry is 48! Both have developed a walk-away Residual income. Tell me what You'll be doing when you're 48, Don!
I'll tell ya, you'll still be fixing people's plumbing, or laying mulch, or standing behind a counter asking paper or plastic... being self-employed!
I commend you for stepping out on your own, hopefully its something you like. And I wish you success - but you're a real piece of cr@p saying that I don't have a real business, just cause I have a supplier that sets the base price.
Does the guy who owns the McDonalds down the street, own a business? He might not own ALL of McDonald'sm but he owns HIS franchise. Well does HE get to decide where to go for burgers, or napkins, etc? NO!! He has to use the suppliers set-up by the corporation! Does he get to decide what price to charge?? NO, he has to buy from the supplier at the set price and sell at the set price. Even if he could raise the price, so can I - I don't Have to sell at retail, I can raise the price or offer it at MY price.
I might not be a Diamond making $300,000 a year right now, but at one time, neither were Larry and Joe. So have fun mocking my business. When I'm 40, I'll look you up and see if you can redo my plumbing fixtures, or whatever you sell.
Poorhouse Tony> "Hey Don, here's a news flash - you're not a business owner, you're self-employed! For the rest of your life, YOU have to BE there. "
Errrrr! WRONG! Try again.
Break away from your brainwash-propaganda. Try Michael Gerber's "E-Myth Revisited" and then try, try, try again.
You might get it right, once you can admit you're wrong....
Tony> Hey Don, here's a news flash - you're not a business owner, you're self-employed! For the rest of your life, YOU have to BE there.
DI> Hey dimwit, since when do you know what I do? I own a corporation, and the only people who have to BE there are the employees whom I pay to be there. I can take a day, week, month off whenever I want. I am on location only to execute tasks that only I have the qualifications to perform (which is a few times a week), or to supervise (which I do only because, and when I want to).
Tony> RESIDUAL income!!
DI> yeah yeah I heard the residual income BS when I was pitched Quixtar. I immediately asked, "what percentage of new IBOs quit each year?" I was told (very reluctantly) that it's about 50%. Therefore, to make the puny "residual income" that comes from Qx, you gotta go out and prospect more and more. Some "residual" that is.
If you want good residual income, Tony, buy real estate and lease it out.
Tony> Tell me what You'll be doing when you're 48, Don!
DI> If I had the powers to tell you, I'd be using them to play the stock market. But I can tell you that I'll never stop expanding the scope and activity of my business to make more money. And I really don't give a damn about what a Quixtar kingpin is doing. I make my money without having to have people under me lose money.
Tony> but you're a real piece of cr@p saying that I don't have a real business, just cause I have a supplier that sets the base price.
DI> I'm saying that you don't have a real business not only because you can't set the price, but also because you can't advertise, can't resell, can't do anything other than seek out people yourself with whom you must deal face-to-face. You don't have a real business because you hang around bookstores and WalMarts trying to find new "downlines". You can defend all that any way you want, but the end result is the same. You don't have a real business. You are a salesman.
And Tony, you'd do a lot better for yourself if you were thinking about the IMMEDIATE future, and not one that's 20 years away. So come back when you're making above minimum wage.
Tony,
Every time I read your posts it makes my day. I think it might make your "stay" on this blog a little easier if you just agree to disagree with everybody here.
If you put the business aside for a second. I don't understand why you continue to come back here all the time. I'm sure that you know by now you aren't going to convert anyone here anyways.
You have to understand that if you took a survey of everyone on this site and found out who their true identities were, you would find a nice mix of ex-platiums and above.
There is a lot of wisdom on this blog Tony.
Even you must understand that.
I know that you can keep telling yourself what ever you want and that you don't have to listen any of us. I don't care for all the petty attacks against you.
We can't make you do nothing. Time will be the ultimate judge of whether you made good or bad choices.
I hope that you don't lose sight that at the end of the day it's your family and you have to do what ever you feel is the best for them.
I just hope you don't make the same mistakes that so many of us have made that have gone before you.
Barney
"Now he makes RESIDUAL income!! " sayeth Tony the weiner.
Yep, but it's from shleps like you buying useless tools.
That's a fact, Jack.
Don't believe? Ask any diamond to see a breakdown of their income.
Don't be surprised when they say no.
Barney, thanks for the civility, and the concern. I appreciate the civility, but the concern is really not necessary. I am not buying 7 tapes a week, etc. I use the tools that I feel are useful. I attend events that I get something out of. If I feel a $7.50 CD is not worth it i won't buy it.
Now, why I am here? No, its Not to convert any of the critics here. I've agreed to disagree a long time ago. The reason I decided to post here since about March was to help show another side for NEW people coming on here looking for info.
"Nice mix of ex-Platinnums and above" - no, no I'm afraid I have to Disagree with that. There might be a few silvers, or a gold that never made Platinum, but for the most part you got Joe a former 4000 pin and bunch of people that never hit 1500, or the people who never even tried cause a friend tried and failed or blew them off.
I do take something from what everyone says, (the ones who have a legitiment complaint), and I'll use that for when I have a big team - I'll make sure that doesn't happen.
rocket, besides your quote from Bill Murray in 'Stripes' - I found your post pretty useless.
Call me a shlep all you want - I highly doubt you have ever done anything great (besides jumping off the roof into a pool) and you'll probably never amount to anything more than mediocre.
Call the tools useless all you want. Its your opinion, maybe their useless to you. Some might say your college books were useless, its just opinion. If you got something out of it, then they weren't.
A pair of nun-chuks are probably useless to you, in a fight you'd be better off throwing them down. To me, they'd be an asset.
A book of Ancient proverbs written in Chinese might be useless to you, but to someone who can read it, they might get something out of it.
At 4,000pv your money is coming from volume. At Diamond, you're still making money form volume, but now you're a teacher, you're mentoring people, and selling knowledge as well. Ask your professor to see a breakdown of his income, I bet you the majority of it comes from selling knowledge.
Hmm?
Tony> to help show another side for NEW people coming on here looking for info.
DI> No offense, buddy, but I doubt your comments are helping to sway any new people to your side. Especially the ones with fifty exclamation marks and plentiful insults.
T> Call me a shlep all you want - I highly doubt you have ever done anything great (besides jumping off the roof into a pool) and you'll probably never amount to anything more than mediocre.
When I'm 40, I'll look you up and see if you can redo my plumbing fixtures, or whatever you sell.
DI> Insults like these, which seem to be prevalent in Quixtar tapespeak. Anyone who is not in Quixtar, according to its proponents, is either mediocre, a loser, Just Over Broke, or someone who fixes "plumbing fixtures".
On the contrary, I posit that those who have refused Quixtar are the ones who were actually able to take a sober look at Quixtar's statistics, such as the ones here:
http://www.thisbiznow.com/quixtar/ibo_statistics.html
saw that the numbers were pathetic, and decided to pursue their own buisnesses/jobs without having to deal with all the BS surrounding Quixtar.
T> Oh, and sory i mispelt YUGO - i gues i'm not so as smart as Yuuugo. See I never owned one, so I didn't know how it was spelled.
T>I do take something from what everyone says, (the ones who have a legitiment complaint
DI> So according to your own logic, Tony, you don't own a LEGITIMATE business because you can't spell the word!
Tony> Call the tools useless all you want. Its your opinion, maybe their useless to you.
And no one with real business sense sees Qx tools as useful. It seems to me that the Qx business has more "business tools" created for it than all other enterprises combined! How much traning do you really need to be a salesman?
I like how you completely ignored my rebuttals to you above. Looks like you can't say anything to that, huh? Thought so.
So, those tools helping you make above minimum wage yet?
HA Tony! You make me laugh with all of your presumptions:
"Call me a shlep all you want - I highly doubt you have ever done anything great (besides jumping off the roof into a pool) and you'll probably never amount to anything more than mediocre."
You know nothing about me, other than I think the "business" is not the way to make the kinds of money that you believe you can. Some of my achievements may surprise you. Not a very bright, nor well thought out comment.
The tools are useless. The only reason they exist is because they make the "leaders" so much money. Don't believe me? go here:
http://www.amquix.info/Dan_Lorenzo.html
As far as you looking me up if you need a plumber, if I do decide to become a plumber, feel free to call me. It's called real work.
The pie in the sky free ride you are hoping exists, doesn't.
As far as a professor selling knowledge, get real. When you prospect people, do you offer them great products or knowledge?
I thought your "business" was about movement of goods?
Schlep
Didn't Tony say his sponsor was Paul Kopecky?
Can Scott Larsen verify whether or not this guy was a ruby or a Q12 direct?
Yea, and I thought real estate was about selling houses, and pharmacy was about providing drugs, but people in Those industries go to seminars and conferences too, now don't they?? Going Diamond is not a pie in the sky dream, and its not something for nothing, it takes hard work! There's nothign wrong with building a big business and then being able to do as you wish. Is it wrong that Ray Kroc or Dave Thomas busted their butts and built a huge residual income for their families. Is there something wrong with owning a bunch of real estate, having someone take care of it for you, and you live off the profits??
There's nothing wrong with building a big business and then living the lifestyle that you want. Once again the tools were useless to you. Oh, and tell me about what you've done thats so great! I won't hold my breathe.
Well congrats Don, you own a corporation, so while you're taking a month off whenever you want, your Employees are the ones doing all the work, just like you said, only They have to be there. Sounds like You're just as bad as the 'kingpins', huh?
Don't worry, I know you don't really get to take months off at a time. And of course your only there to 'supervise' when you want to. Why don't you send QB Your Schedule C, I'm not quite sure I believe you own some successful corporation.
Yea, maybe overall 50% of people quit each year, but not the serious ones. Besides well over 50% of TKD students quit each year, it didn't stop ME from getting a blackbelt!! You can say its not residual all you want. Truth of the matter is Larry Winters didn't have to go out and find another Joe Markiwicz or Danny Snipes, he didn't have to find another Jake Baker, or Mike Bundy. When you find people who want to build it and then do, they're not gonna quit. When you find the right ones, you don't have to rebuild it. Larry and Joe have residual income!
DI> but also because you can't advertise, can't resell
T> BS, more lies from the cribot! 1st, YES, we can advertise, saying 'you can't advertise' is a false statement! Because I HAVE advertised, it was local and it had to be approved by the corp. So blew a whole thru that one. 2nd, can't resell?? What the h#ll are you talking about. If I buy a case of XS Of Course I can resell it! I can even sell it to a bar and let THEM resell it! I can sale anything to anyone, I can do it out of my trunk or they can buy it directly from my website! How much do you think you know about this business?
Oh, and if 'insults' sway new people one way or another, there a few more insults coming from the 'critbot camp' than IBO's on here, we all started out civil until guys like mlm, df and rocket started hurling insults.
And no Don, Qx CD's are not full of insults toward non-ibos, I've said PLENTY of times just because someone is not in (or even quits) does not make them a loser or broke, etc.
I said you could fix my plumbing because I was making the implication that You saying you owned your own business (trying to sound big & successful) was really just you owning a plumbing business or lownmowing service. Not that there's anything wrong with that, you can make good money with both. But it was just a jab insinuating that your "business" was a rinky dink plumbing business. Understand now.
You may not like the person-to-person nature of the business, thats fine - then Its NOT for YOU!! But if I Do like it, then I have the right to do it! If you don't like the trainings, seminars, CD's, books, etc. Then don't buy or attend them!! But if I want to, then I have the right to!!
I don't want to marry a man, but if you do, then you have the right to (in some states)
My cousin owns a bar, he can sell beer and liquor. I know someone who owns an office supply business, they sell pens, paper, etc. I own a business too, I sell energy drinks, protein bars, vitamins, make-up, jewelry, gift albums, cell phones, etc. You can call me a salesman or whatever. I'm a Buyer! I teach people how to buy thru themselves, and make money. Yea, I can sell vitamins and protein bars, but I also sell extra time and extra money. Ask Larry, Joe, Alan, Doug, Mike, Danny, Phil and RW about that. They all started at zero too! But did the work to get where they are now. I think Joe M. at Double Diamond is making some ok money, just a hunch.
No Paul Kopecky is not my sponsor, I'm not even on the Waechter team, but my sponsor is 22 and is above 7500pv. Paul is 23 and I believe is a qualified Saphire with a downline saphire. Both are near Emerald qualification.
Tony,
I don't think the issue is that no one makes money in quixtar, or that people quit TKD and only some ever reach black belt. Or for that matter, people to start and quit college.
The big issue is that so few people in quixtar actually succeed, so is the opportunity really worth the time and effort and expenses.
Yes, people quit college but about half graduate and benefit from getting a degree. In TKD, some people quit, but the better and more dedicated students get black belts. But in quixtar, simple math done with numbers provided by quixtar shows that far too many people fail in order for a very select few to succeed.
Then you add in the fact that diamonds make big bucks on tools. Now I know that knowledge and experience has worth, but with so few people succeeding, how much value is there in tools? To date, no one have made it to diamond (quixtar only). So how valid is that 2-5 year plan? Tony, if quixtar had even 40-50% of people making profits, I would not be a critic of the business, but the reality is that over 95% of people in quixtar are not making a profit, admittedly, you are one of them.
Now you can claim that there is a lack of effort for those who don't make it, but I know there a many who do everything upline teaches and still do not succeed, and in fact, build up debt instead. YOu can claim that it's the IBO's decision to run their own business, but upline teaches you to follow their plan, as they have "made it". So people follow their upline into failure.
Tony> Well congrats Don, you own a corporation, so while you're taking a month off whenever you want, your Employees are the ones doing all the work, just like you said, only They have to be there. Sounds like You're just as bad as the 'kingpins', huh?
DI> Wow, Tony are you really this dense or are you just pretending? I pay my employees to do my work for me. They work for me because they like the work and the pay. The kingpins don't pay their downlines to do the work; if anything, YOU pay THEM for the "motivation" and the speeches. Do you really have no concept of how a real business works?
Tony> Don't worry, I know you don't really get to take months off at a time. And of course your only there to 'supervise' when you want to.
DI> Oh so now you KNOW my schedule, just as you KNOW that I own a lawnmowing business? You don't know sh!t, moron. You just can't get it through your fat little head that someone can be successful without Quixtar.
Tony> I said you could fix my plumbing because I was making the implication that You saying you owned your own business (trying to sound big & successful) was really just you owning a plumbing business or lownmowing service
DI> Making an implication on what grounds? On the grounds of your own stupidity? You keep telling everyone that they shouldn't complain about Quixtar because they don't know anything about it, so where do you get off assuming what I do? Or are you just trying to save face and pretend that you're not the zero-monthly-income-Quixtar-idiot that you really are?
Tony> And no Don, Qx CD's are not full of insults toward non-ibos, I've said PLENTY of times just because someone is not in (or even quits) does not make them a loser or broke, etc.
DI> So why is it that all the Quixbots keep spouting the same insults? And don't try to pretend that they don't. Why is "Just Over Broke" such a popular phrase with Quixbots? Where do they get it from?
T> Because I HAVE advertised, it was local and it had to be approved by the corp. So blew a whole thru that one. 2nd, can't resell?? What the h#ll are you talking about. If I buy a case of XS Of Course I can resell it! I can even sell it to a bar and let THEM resell it! I can sale anything to anyone, I can do it out of my trunk or they can buy it directly from my website!
DI> Hey Tony, I thought you were "Independent"! Well you're not, you can only do what the almighty Quixtar corporation allows you to! And you can only resell to the people that the corporation says you can resell it to. And god forbid you show the XS logo in a bar! Or sell SA8 to a grocery store! That's why you're not a real business owner, Tony, cause Quixtar OWNS you. No one owns me or my business. Try selling your business Tony and see how much you get for it.
Tony> I can sale anything to anyone,
DI> Thats BULLSH!T and you know it. Can you sell to the grocery store? Didn't think so. I don't care abot the reasons why you can't. Point is, you CAN'T. "Independent business owner" my ass.
Tony> You may not like the person-to-person nature of the business, thats fine - then Its NOT for YOU!! But if I Do like it, then I have the right to do it!
DI> No one's telling you what you can and can't do. If you lose money, I don't care. If you decide to shoot up heroin, go have a ball. What we're doing here is criticizing this crappy little "business opportunity" and we have every right to do that, just as you have every right to pretend you can make money from it.
Tony>I'm a Buyer! I teach people how to buy thru themselves, and make money.
DI> A "Buyer" does not a business owner make. It makes a consumer.
Tony> I also sell extra time and extra money
DI> You SELL time and money? Can I buy a couple of hours from you? How about a day? Are you HIGH?
And the final question, Tony: Are you making more than minimum wage yet?
The last function i went to cost me $100000 ! I was the only one there!!!
"The wheels on the critbus go 'round and 'round..."
Tony> I can sale anything to anyone,
DI> Thats BULLSH!T and you know it. Can you sell to the grocery store?
T> Well that depends Don, is the grocery store male or female? I said ANYONE D!ckhead! Since when is a store anyONE! I'm tired of debating the reasons why you can't distribute the products thru grocery stores, but you just Keep harping on it!
I didn't say buying makes me a business owner, I said you can call me a salesman all you want, I'm a buyer. Owning a business is what makes me a business owner. I guess in your opinion the guy who owns 12 McDonalds in my town, isn't an owner, he's just a salesman for McDonalds, is that right?
You want extra time and money, I could show you how to get that, but I don't think you qualify.
And once Again Joe, the Dussalts are Qx-only Diamonds. And what you call failling, I call working your way up. Everyone starts at zero! My sponsor is making about $2500 a month, but 2 years ago he was making like $50-$100 a month! So you can say he was a faillure, I say he was in the process of succeeding. Some people quit, some people are in the process of succeeding. Most people at 2500-4000pv are making money!! Its not only Diamonds and Emeralds and platinums that make money!! More people are making money than you think! And with m/c volume their are 600-1000PVers making profit.
I know a guy who had a decent size gift album account, he's normally only at 1000pv, but made $800 from selling some gifts albums! Man, that's real hard physical labor too! Made a phone call and got a corporate account and made $800 just like that, the kid's 20 years old too!
Tony> Well that depends Don, is the grocery store male or female? I said ANYONE D!ckhead! Since when is a store anyONE! I'm tired of debating the reasons why you can't distribute the products thru grocery stores, but you just Keep harping on it!
DI> I don't care about the reasons. I'm saying that the FACT you can't do it means you're not an "INDEPENDENT BUSINESS OWNER".
Tony> I didn't say buying makes me a business owner, I said you can call me a salesman all you want, I'm a buyer.
DI> You're a buyer? So what? What the hell is that supposed to mean. EVERYONE's a buyer. Doesn't make anyone special.
Tony> Owning a business is what makes me a business owner.
DI> Too bad it isn't a real business.
Tony> I guess in your opinion the guy who owns 12 McDonalds in my town, isn't an owner, he's just a salesman for McDonalds, is that right?
DI> My god, are you THIS dense? Last time I checked, the guy who owned McDonalds wasn't hawking burgers to Barnes and Noble customers. The customers come TO the McDonalds. And you, Tony, you look for customers, they don't look for you, and you try to sell them overpriced energy drinks (oh, and i forgot, you also try to sell Time!). Sugarcoat it any way you want, but you're still nothing more than a sad little salesman.
Tony>You want extra time and money, I could show you how to get that, but I don't think you qualify.
DI> Tony, you can't show me anything that I don't already know. I'm not going to lower myself to hanging around bookstores for $200 a month. My business makes that amount in a few hours.
And Tony, you never told me if you're making above minimum wage yet! Come back when you do.
Tony> And once Again Joe, the Dussalts are Qx-only Diamonds. And what you call failling, I call working your way up. Everyone starts at zero! My sponsor is making about $2500 a month, but 2 years ago he was making like $50-$100 a month! So you can say he was a faillure, I say he was in the process of succeeding. Some people quit, some people are in the process of succeeding. Most people at 2500-4000pv are making money!! Its not only Diamonds and Emeralds and platinums that make money!! More people are making money than you think! And with m/c volume their are 600-1000PVers making profit.
I know a guy who had a decent size gift album account, he's normally only at 1000pv, but made $800 from selling some gifts albums! Man, that's real hard physical labor too! Made a phone call and got a corporate account and made $800 just like that, the kid's 20 years old too!
Joe> Tony, I know some people make money in quixtar, but my point is that the ones who aren't making money (the vast majority) are the ones paying for the few who do make some money. I've drawn it out before and it's a mathematical fact that many must fail (pay their dues) in order for a few to succeed.
Tony> Yea, and I thought real estate was about selling houses, and pharmacy was about providing drugs, but people in Those industries go to seminars and conferences too, now don't they?? Going Diamond is not a pie in the sky dream, and its not something for nothing, it takes hard work! There's nothign wrong with building a big business and then being able to do as you wish. Is it wrong that Ray Kroc or Dave Thomas busted their butts and built a huge residual income for their families. Is there something wrong with owning a bunch of real estate, having someone take care of it for you, and you live off the profits??
Joecool> Tony, the difference between Mcdonald's and Wendy's and Quixtar is that Ray Croc doesn't have to seek customers or franchisees. They come to McDonald's. If you stop working your business, it's dead in the water. True at some point it could get big to where you have less maintenance, but the fact that 50 of people quit means you will constantly have to work to replace the people who quit. If it takes about 700 people in order to have a diamondship, that means you will need to replace about 350 people each year. That is a monumental task!
Also, the name McDonald's is appealing, people hear it and think of a big mac. Whereas quixtar distributors are taught to be deceptive about the business. They rarely come out and say amway or quixtar. they are sneaky about it and they want someone to sign up quickly while they are excited after seeing the plan. McDonald's woudn't want anyone to sign up as a franchisee unless they do their research, and it is determined that thew new resaurant is going to succeed. The quixtar folks just sign anyone up in the wave of excitement. At that time they are "winners". Then when they realize how hard the business is, or when they realize what they are up against, they leave the business and now they are labeled "broke losers".
Is this what quixtar is all about?
Tony, you are winning the debate with these imbecils !GO TONY GO!! GO TONY GO!!! GO TONY GO!!!
Joecool, your grammar. resaurant? its R E S T A U R A N T. You got it jerkey?
DI> Last time I checked, the guy who owned McDonalds wasn't hawking burgers to Barnes and Noble customers. The customers come TO the McDonalds. And you, Tony, you look for customers, they don't look for you.
T> "Don you ignorant slut" 1st of all, I don't go to B&N trying to "hawk" products to customers. If I talk to someone while I'm out somewhere, I may offer the opportunity with them. I'm not trying to sell them a product.
And yes, customers come to McDonalds, thats cause they are a brink and mortar business. I own an online business, its a website! I have to tell them about it! Ray Kroc didn't start out in 1955 with 34,000 locations, and billions and billions served!
DI> I'm not going to lower myself to hanging around bookstores for $200 a month. My business makes that amount in a few hours.
T> Hey genius, did it start out that way?? Or did it take some time and work to get there? Well guess what [buddy] Larry Winters probably makes $200 in 15 minutes!! And I've got the same opportunity that he does! Its not gonna stay at $200 a month. Soon it will be like my sponsor @ $2500/month, and then like my upline Diamond @ $50,000/month. So go ahead and make you $100k a year! I'll listen to the guys making $100k a month!!
Joecool> Tony, the difference between Mcdonald's and Wendy's and Quixtar is that Ray Croc doesn't have to seek customers or franchisees.
T> First of all Joe, its spelled "Kroc" - since everyone likes to point out every little spelling error I make! and 2nd of all, once Again - YOU ARE WRONG!!!
"Ray Croc doesn't have to seek customers or franchisees." ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? 1st of all he's dead, but Yes, when he was alive, he DID seek out customers and franchisers! When he started the franchise concept, people didn't just flock to him, he had to Go Out and sell the idea!! He had to Find the people! And then he started ADVERTISING... and they STILL advertise Today! That's seeking out customers Joe!! Why do you keep lieing?? Or as Don would say, "or are you really that Dense?"
If your building your business right and treating people right you don't half to replace people all the time, sure some will quit here and there, but my sponsors numbers are going up! Yes, some quit, but More are joining! Thats why a year ago he was 4,000 and now he's 7500+! Joe Markiewicz is now a Double Diamond, and Larry W. is holding his own FEDs!!! The team I'm on is growing. And even if a diamond had 350 out of 700 quit, its not like HE's got to go replace them, he's got 6 or more Platinums building their business too! And he's got 4-5 guys at 1000 - 2500+ building their businesses!
How long does it take to sponsor somone? A week, a month? Let's say from the time you show the plan, to the time they get started takes 3 months... then if everyone just sponsored 1 person - by March, the team is back to 700 again!! And I've seen people sponsor 5 people in a week!, and then 12 the next month!
STOP saying we're taught to deceive and label people broke losers! You are nothing but a generalizing critbot liar!! That may have been the way YOU ran YOUR team - but thats not how its done on My team! Your tactics are pathetic!!
Hey Tony way to ignore all my points that you didn't like. I gotta hand it to you, this "selective viewing" really helps keep you in that deluded bubble of yours.
T> "Don you ignorant slut" 1st of all, I don't go to B&N trying to "hawk" products to customers. If I talk to someone while I'm out somewhere, I may offer the opportunity with them. I'm not trying to sell them a product.
DI> Wow. Same difference, whether it's product or your "opportunity." You need to go out and find people to sell it to. You're a salesman.
"If you talk to someone when you're out somewhere." In other words, if you're prospecting. I've seen the likes of you, looking for prospects at bookstores or WalMarts. Next time, maybe I'll make the store manager aware that someone is violating their "no soliciting" policy.
T> I own an online business, its a website! I have to tell them about it!
DI> Your "website" is nothing more than a BWW template that looks EXACTLY like all the other IBO websites that use their templates. A REAL business's website would be an individual site, accessible without a password, and would come up in search engine results. Your website is just an excuse to say you have an "online business." REAL online businesses don't require their owners to talk to people face-to-face to tell them about the website.
And by the way, that website is grossly overpriced, since the domain is nothing more than a redirect to bww.com and the website is a template. One can get a full-fledged domain, 10MB of storage, and unlimited e-mail addresses for under $10 per month. The façade that you use isn't worth even a dollar per month.
T> Its not gonna stay at $200 a month. Soon it will be like my sponsor @ $2500/month, and then like my upline Diamond @ $50,000/month.
DI> Wow, that's big talk for someone who's making a big fat ZERO. Tell you what Tony, come back when you're making 2,500 a month NET. Put up or shut up, buddy.
Oh and Tony: If Quixtar is really the amazing business opportunity that it is, then why is there so much criticism of it? Is everyone who criticizes the way this business works and its money-making abilities a stupid critbot? Or are there legitimate claims
If you're gonna bring up the point about how people criticize McD's and WalMart, forget it, because it's IRRELEVANT. People may criticize McD's treatment of animals or whatever, but no one questions that a McD's franchise is is virtually guaranteed to make money. Not so with Quixtar.
Hell, Quixtar's own numbers
http://www.thisbiznow.com/quixtar/ibo_statistics.html
show how infinitesimally small the percentage of Diamonds (.0176%) is. And a Diamond's average income is $175,116. Any sane person would realize that they have a better chance of making that much money outside Quixtar rather than in it.
The average IBO earns what? $115 a month? Let's remove the 50% to who quit and do nothing. Now the average income is $230 a month. It's still easier to make money with a second job instead of working this wonderful business.
smith> Joecool, your grammar. resaurant? its R E S T A U R A N T. You got it jerkey?
Joe> Smith, the difference is that my error was a typo. In your case you really don't know how to spell words and use proper grammar. I guess you took upline's advice to skip college. At least you're teachable! :)
Not to mention that Smith doesn't know the difference between the terms "grammar" and "spelling"
Don> Not to mention that Smith doesn't know the difference between the terms "grammar" and "spelling"
Joe> smith also doesn't know the difference between profits and losses. He operates at a loss but his upline said that's true success so he believes it and thinks it's a profit. (i.e. the business is about friendships and not money).
joecool, did you leave jim? are you dating don now?
I bought $5000 worth of critics choice peanut butter this month! my garrage is full! I wil never have to buy it again! my bonus will pay for all my vitamans and XS! you guys just dont get it.
If i personally register 50 million ibos and swich them to MCI and they average .80pv and 1.8bv(thats 50 million x1.8=90 million x28%=$25.2 million per month)as a RUBY!
I think I like this smith fella.
if they like you they do business with you!
I think smith is aka ryan hicks.
Barney,
Your 'alias' an interesting choice. You may go by the name of 'J' maybe...did you make to Platinum? If you did it's because your upline did everything for you. You try to sound like such a nice guy, but in fact you seem quite bitter. If you are a christian, you should try to put your business experience behind you and realize that it taught you alot of good stuff. Remember, whatever life brings you...you can learn from...good and bad.
Good Luck in your life...building the business has Proven to be a great thing for many people including your self...quit trying to knock it and accusing people of things they never did wrong. No one is perect, but in the end God is the Judge...you are not! If you are not a christian, just remember 'what comes around goes around'...like it says in the bible 'your sins will find you out'. Pretty Simple thought process. Hope you get it. Good Luck to you in your Life Barney!
I just learned about Bill Britt's fiasco yesterday. I almost got sick to my stomach. I signed up in Amway in 1985, as part of the WWDB organization, mainly to sell water filters. I should have known from the outset what a pile of sludge the entire "system" was when right out of the box my upline diamond, who was demoted to emerald after one of his directs quit, got my list of names and began calling my friends--some of whom never wanted anything to do with me again. I became a die hard WWDB devotee--books, tapes, personal counseling with my upline, red tie and white shirt, going in debt to buy from my own business, waiting for hours in hotel hallways and cold weather to drink in every word of the grand poobahs from stage. Puke. The final straw came in 1994, although I kept my distributorship until 2003, when my upline emerald's wife counseled my wife that I was some kind of jerk. With all the stage blow that the man was the head of the household, and that the wife was to be submissive, my upline emerald couldn't contain his own wife's mouth.
One of your bloggers mentioned that Britt's organization is growing, even without the adulterers and fornicators blathering from stage. He said that their personal lives are not factors in building huge organizations. Possibly true, but it underscores the fact that the die hards are just sheep with no discernment. They, and I at one time, don't see the connection between what is said from stage and the reality of the lives of those speaking. Amway, and Quixtar, are personal businesses. You can't separate the personal side from the business side. I think of the line of Britt bull I swallowed at FEDs in Rapid City, Boulder, Denver, and other places, and it makes me sick, now that I know what type of a person was taking advantage of me, and thousands of others, during those years. Britt would say, "My wife is a very wealthy woman. She owns half of the business....We make a lot of money, and we'll be accountable for every nickel....Someday God is going to roll a video tape of your life....That's it, PERIOD." My wife was not on board, a "neggie," just like Peggy Britt (hah!). She was actually the only one of us who possessed any sense, now that I discover what a sham the whole WWDB experience was.
Learning that the tool and function business is as big or bigger than the product business, and could be termed an illegal pyramid, made me nauseous too. All the money I spent on all that baloney. Thousands of dollars that I didn't have during the Period of My Indoctrination. All of them ended up in my trash can after I came to my senses. And Amway knows about all of it (the dirty little secret). I'm appalled. I have always appreciated the integrity of Amway--my trust has been betrayed.
I could go on and on.
Welcome Greg!
Hopefully your story will alert others who are being prospected so they can either avoid the business, or sign up fully knowing what may happen to them. I hope you will be around to share more of your experience.
I joined Q+ about a year ago. BIG MISTAKE. They dont care about anything but making their uplines happy. I had a cousin going into the war in Iraq or going to FED, all they could say is you will see your cousin when he gets back. FED is a life changing day. Life changing my ass. It changed my bank accound to nothing. I lost so much money, close freinds and family. Their products are ok, but make you ill if not used in a short period of time. I had boxes and boxes of XS drinks in my basement, which is a cool place to have them. I drank one after a few months and got hives for 2 weeks. But all my upline cared about was me picking up the phone making contacts. CONTACT these in your mouth. I had three prospects who were close freinds. I told all three not to renew their contracts and so did I. As a good friend I gave them back their money. I have friends atlest their not after my money.
They also say that their not into material things. But all of them flant their jewerl, cars, homes, other homes, and more cars.
Also they make you listen to cd's, dvd's, read books, attend night owls, attend weekly and weekend meetings. You basically have one good day to contact people. So let me intially invest 10,000 bucks for 1 day or contacting people. SUCK IT.. I'm the dumb one that joined this group. DONT MAKE THE MISTAKE I DID.
Look at the stats. Q+ will not tell youthis but for the last 2 years the percentage of new IBO's have DROPPED 25% from the past 5 years. GET A CLUE!!! Everyone is learning how bad Q+ is for them.
Hope this helps. GO DIAMOND. No No No. GO HOME!!!!
I kept thinking to myself the entire time I was in this stupid thing.. why does it seem like it's a freak'n cult. They tell you that your family will not understand and you don't need anyone in your life that doesn't support what you're doing. You're going to retire and be rich and you don't need any of them. You have to keep contacting people and making points for your upline. They say that you have to go to these stupid functions and the only reason you shouldn't go is it there was a death and it was yours. I mean how heartless. They are a selfish money greedy group. They are only in this for their personal gain. I contacted and contacted and it seems like I was harrasing people. I mean honestly if it was so great then WHY DON'T PEOPLE CONTACT ME FOR WANTING TO BE IN THIS!! Hey I wish my dream opportunity would come knocking on my door, I mean why am I wasting my life chasing opportunities. Duh... cause if making money was so easy then don't you think everybody would want in??? They are crazy and all they have is money on their mind. They harrass people, and it's crazy cause all day and night they want you to contact. They want you to spend your Friday nights at meeting. I am freak'n meetings all week, and they want my weekend too. Hey... that's not FREEDOM that's a CULT!!! They tell you that all websites will call it that.. but when they make you raise your hand up and do ..... whhuuuuu whhhuuuuuu huuu huuu freedom... I mean come on... what the heck is that??? TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT... DO NOT LOOSE ALL YOUR MONEY LIKE I DID
Its pretty interesting reading these blogs. I have a few friends in quixtar (bww) and for the past 2 years they have been telling me to attend one of their functions that will change my life. Asking me to buy a ticket thats about $100 and to rent a hotal room for the weekend about $150. I saw a boot-leg copy of the actualy function show for one of the nights. LIFE CHANGING? There is nothing life changing about it. All they talk about is their stories and how it took them 10 years to get diamond. Half the people there are sleeping. And then they make you buy tapes and listen to cd's to stories you paid already $100 bucks to see in person. LOL..
If you have tons of money to waste then I suggest this might work for you. But for the average Joe, this will just kill your bank account.
Though my friends hate talking to me, I still crack at them. One of them has about four down-lines, and makes about $200 profit a month. Think about driving to all those places, renting rooms, attending fucntions, I figure you're already paying them $1,000 more than your making.
HAVE FUN IDIOTS!!!!
FYI: The first time one of my close friends talks to me in front of his upline, and he's upline is telling me he sees great potential in me. I never saw the upline in my life, how the hell can he say I see great potential in me.
Thanks for the talk. I love sending a bad name to Quixtar. Their 2004 profits have declined from 2003, 2005 seems to be heahed in the wrong direction already. I here for 2005 fed they were giving out free tickets to the show. GO figure that out. NO ONE WANTS TO GO TO THE FUNCTION.
Comment to the last post by "FOR SHAME". I like your comment on the hand up saying. WHAT THE *UCK IS THAT!!!!!!!!
WHERE ARE ALL THE BWW PEOPLE. SUPPORT YOUR KIND AND DEBATE... DONT BE SCARED. YOU KNOW YOUR SUFFERING SPENDING ALL THAT MONEY. MAKING YOUR UPLINE RICHER AND RICHER..
Attention WWDB shoppers, today there is a blue light special on FED tickets. Buy one get two free,
Maybe WWDB is seeing weakness in ticket sales and needs to boost attendance. Remember growing numbers of people at a function will motivate a group. Decreasing numbers of people can devastate a group. Its all crowd psychology. There is mental security in numbers.
Posted by: scott larsen | September 8, 2005 4:17 AM