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August 30, 2005
The Value of SA8
By QBlog in Quixtar
Many question the value of Quixtar products. That's understandable because, as my wife discovered when she was an IBO, many of the products are more expensive than similar items available at other retail outlets. However, IBOs explain that the premium quality of Quixtar's products more than justifies such price disparities. Of course, those IBOs also earn PV/BV from each purchase which could distort their perception of quality and value.
So, who should determine a product's value? Well, Consumer Reports is the leader in unbiased, independent product ratings and comparisons. The mission of Consumer Reports is to "work for a fair, just, and safe marketplace for all consumers and to empower consumers to protect themselves."
A reader recently sent me a copy of an undated Consumer Reports guide titled — The best of Consumer Reports - Vol. 2, Issue 1. The report rates 24 laundry soaps to "tell you which clean and brighten for much less."
The results are dismal for SA8, Quixtar's Sweet 16 detergent. At a stunning $.42 per load it's the most expensive detergent yet ranks 14 out of 19 tested for normal washers. While all of its ratings were favorable, the best value (Kirkland Signature 38722) had even higher ratings but cost a mere $.11 per load.
The Open Market
While the value of Quixtar products is indeed partially subjective, it's clear that at least one product (SA8) falls short when competing on the open market. I wonder how many other Quixtar products fail to measure up?
Comments
eSpring is a ripoff as well.
http://quixtarsucks.blogspot.com/2005/06/espring-vs-aquasana.html
Based on calculations and URL listed in above post, Aquasana water filter is slightly better, approximately $900 (nine hundred dollars) cheaper than eSpring, and cost per gallon is more economical.
Also, in a SAM session, a client had a reaction to some "ultra safe" cream. Witnessed it.
http://quixtarsucks.blogspot.com/2005/08/products-of-heaven.html
And there is something wierd Ginseng. It does some wierd thing and reduces sleep.
Any update on David Robison? I really hope (for Quixtar's sake too) he's fine. One IBO that does not come across as an I, QBot.
If you click on the page it lists the rest of the rankings. The Kroger brand is ranked number sixteen and costs only $.09.
That's almost five times less than Quixtar's and is ranked almost the same in quality.
Outrageous!
How much PV/BV do you get back, nevermind that point stuff is too confusing...just tell us how much money does the IBO get back per load? I'm sure the math is complicated. Somehow I doubt it's very much money and never enough to account for such a cost disparity.
Now that's just not fair!!!
Everyone knows that SA8 is Amway. Everyone also knows that Quixtar isn't Amway. Quixtar is XS Energy Drink! And Quixtar is about making money - unless you point out the lack of money being made, well, then it's about doing good, fellowship and religion. Oh, plus tax write-offs!
Now, when Consumer Reports gets around to recognizing how AWESOME XS Drink is (which won't happen because of the evil communists), then we can talk about it.
OK? Good.
JD,
At 100PV and assuming the larger SA8 powder, you get back 0.6 cents per load. If you are a lucky Silver or above, you get back 5 cents per load!!
We've been system free for nearly two years now but still renew to buy a few products and retail Gift albums ($2000 in profit last Christmas season - looks like we'll double that this year).
I grew up with the SA8 and We like it. So, we buy it.
I did a study on the stuff and, it being biodegradable, does not have the Zelyte (sp?) clay or shredded plastic materials that many of the other brands have that destroys cloth quicker.
So, putting the emotion of the system ripoff aside, A/Q/A makes a good product.
RMM
Hey, a great new video game!
Play the SA8 Challenge
http://www.amway.com/en/Media/HomeCare_Games/sa8.htm
You can argue this one until the dogs come home. The bottom line is the market decides who lives and who dies.
hello Tony?
Come on, Tony, give me a good reason why "buying from yourself" at Quixtar is better than buying cheaper, superior products at Costco.
If A/Q/A makes a good product, they will be bought by open market. Same open market who buys expensive stuff from Bay etc. How many non-IBOs buy it?
So no emotions here. Market speaks.
But SA8 is better because (sarcasm) my upline said so.
I used to work @ Amway/Alticor/Quixtar. Quixtar started out being the online/catalog that Amway had all along. But with the advent of the IBO it gave individuals an easier and less expensive way to be able to buy products. They used to have an ADA number and ALL products had to be ordered thru a distributor. The products are good for the most part, but the other large manufacturers have gotten smart and several years ago went to more concentrated formulas and took the garbage out of their products. Makes it tougher to compete when everyone recommends using 1/4 to 1/2 a cup per load instead of 1 1/2 cups like Tide used to be.
I find it difficult to believe these people believe this stuff. I always thought that stuff like cults and RSP (really stupid people, ex. Columbine kids' parents: where were they while their kids were sawing guns in the garage?) but for the third time, I've had to deal with these people.
The 'business opportunity' the 'buy from yourself, for credibility' it's such crap: If you ran a grocery store and DIDN'T buy from yourself, people like this would say you have a credibility problem, but they're OBVIOUSLY assuming that the grocery store guy must be BUYING FROM A COMPETITOR. What kind of FOOL buys groceries at retail when they have access to wholesale prices?
-r
PS:
I work with computers. Frequently I find that I can save money if I buy 30 motherboards (an example) instead of 3. Normally, I don't have to buy that many, but there is a critical number where you have extra motherboards, but you still saved money — even if you don't use the extra ones. This is because when you take a product from a wholesaler (not distributer, the numbers will be different) you TYPICALLY multiply the price by a factor of 2.5 — OR MORE — I'll illustrate: (no, the numbers are just example numbers, they don't represent any real products, this is a simple math example)
1 motherboard, retail, $100
30 motherboards, retail, $3,000 (30x100, get it?)
30 motherboards, wholesale, $1,200
…at this rate…
1 motherboard, wholesale, $40
So, if you need 12 or more motherboards, it is better if you can try to get a wholesale deal. This is the OBVIOUS point. The less obvious point is that if you can get them for $40, you can ALWAYS try to sell them for $40.25 plus shipping. So the extra motherboards, even if you give them away don't cost a dime, but if you don't give them away, you'd make a profit. The only issue is, and this is for normal consumers: Most of the people don't have the $1200 and so $100 is the price they pay. Get together with 11 of your friends some time and make a small business — You don't need Amway.
(I used the same numbers, compare: 40x30 = 1200; (x) times 2.5 = 100 -> (x) = 100 divided by 2.5 -> (x) = 40)
What you need is to not be number-stupid. Innumeracy is the problem. Read the John Allen Paulos book.
-=-
If Q* management had their way, there would be NO homecare products available -- Q* is a Beauty & Wellness company after all, laundry soap hardly fits the profile.
But, the undisputible fact is that these 'everyday' products must remain to keep people newly sponsored involved in the business. Replacing Tide with SA8 is not a difficult 'sell', however, replacing a cheap daily with XX is a hard sell. Newbees must be 'educated' on the benefits of Nutrilite, and that takes time. The harder sell is getting people on XX that don't take a daily at all...let alone the rest of the line. And come on, getting a woman to switch lines of make-up and skin care -- that really is a tough sell.
So LOC (morphed), Satinique, Body Series, DishDrops etc...have stayed around, yet in the background. Leaders know these 'everydays' must stick around, and will not allow Q* to drop them. Profit and image wise, Q* management would like to see them go.
BTW, this isn't the same for international affiliates...HomeCare is not the 'entry'. In Japan, Artistry, eSpring (different machine in Japan), or some other is. Even iCook. Selling laundry soap in Japan is hard work!
I think across the board you will find that the majority of Q products cost more than what you can get at Wal-Mart, Costco or local stores. Look at Vitamins for example, a 300 count of vitamin C (nutrilite) costs over $30 and a 500 count vitamin C at Costco is about $10.
XS drink is about $26 for a case of 12 and I can get a case (24 count) of red bull at Costco for $31.30.
Finding stuff you actually save money on is about as rare as a fully qualified diamond.
You know I was thinking about something (and I'm sure someone else has brought this up sometime in the past). If Amway/Quixtar actually sold products in the retail stores their prices would almost certainly have to be at least close to prices of other brands. The reason being is because of competiton. If Quixtar had to compete directly with other brands the reasonable consumer wouldn't even really consider buying a Quixtar product that may cost twice as much as something similar. Quixtar would be forced to reduce prices because they'd have this huge amount of supply and no demand for it. As it is though they have all these IBO's who buy the product because 1) they're told it's far superior, although that may not be entirely true. and 2)Earn PV/BV for their purchase. There is no competition so they can make everything rediculously expensive and people (IBO's) will keep buying it. That's probably why they have all these rules about selling products in areas where there is direct competition, it allows them the power to keep prices high and IBO's buying at that price. Again, I'm sure this was covered somewhere else but just wanted to add it here.
Re: Products
If you really think about it, the business of moving amway/quixtar products has evolved. In the old days, people sold products as a means to make a few extra bucks. Eventually some developed big organiztions and the big pins discovered how much money could be made on tools.
Fast forward to today... The products exist only as a means for kingpins to sell tools. It can be determined through math and reasonable assumptions how much money is made from moving product versus moving tools.
It is pretty clear if you think about it, that's why the current teaching is "buy from yourself and teach others to do the same". The tapes and seminars do not teach you to file business taxes, they do not teach you how to develop a powerful retailing system. The tapes and seminars don't even teach you how to measure the effectiveness of your business. I have read countless accounts of people building huge debts and losing money year after year, yet they never quit. Why? Because the kingpins teach it. Quitting is simply a smart business decision based on profit/losses.
I know the pro-amquix folks will say that the ones who fail did not try hard enough, or are just losers. Some of this is true, but remember this..... You folks are the ones who recruited these folks and told them that they could succeed and that they could make it. My question is whether they failed or if the wonderful teaching system failed? Based on the fact that (to date) there are no diamonds who qualified since the inception of Quixtar, I'd say it's the system and the system teachers (diamonds) who have failed.
Diamond is such a subjective word in this scam. Most of the "diamonds" or "emerald" qualified once and get to keep the title forever.
Look at Garry and Lisa Sadden or Don and Lori Lyod. These guys went emerald by having thier people stock up on Queen Cookware and coffee. This was over 10 years ago.
Now they tell everybody how well they are doing. Doing so well that Don has gone back to dry walling and Lori back to teaching. So good that Garry is flogging cell phones out of back of his van.
I use to love hearing them tell everybody how well they were doing knowing the real truth made it quite entertaining to watch.
I think that it is so sad that the only way that Garry and Lisa Sadden and Don and Lori could get someone to listen to them was to complete lie about thier whole life.
I guess when the dream is big enough the facts don't count!
It's no wonder to me that IBOs are doomed to failure at such a high rate. If you compound the fact that they are probably struggling financially in the first place (or else they wouldn't be seeking a way to make extra income) with the fact that they are now paying 2 to 5 times more for their home products, it's no wonder they can never get ahead.
In business school they call it "opportunity cost", the cost of not making a smarter decision. The money they could have saved buying detergent for four times less, is real money in the pocket. They might as well just throw that money away, it's ludicrous. These people are in no position to be making such foolish monetary decisions, they can't afford it.
We're all hurting right now at the gas pump. I just spent $70 to fill my tank. What if I decided to spend four times that much on a living expense like gas, that's $280 for a tank of gas, just because I think it's superior?!
It's the same thing with this detergent and every other Quixtar product. It starts to add up! Paying a premium for products when you can bargain shop instead is real money in the pocket, lost on stupidity. Definately more than what ever PV/BV payback you could expect.
See the falacy? No wonder my ex can't afford all her child's support payments.
SA8, don't spray it.
Well I thought it was funny...but I guess you can't spray SA8 due to it being a powder instead of a liquid detergent. I don't like powders, they make my washer all gritty and nasty.
from Iran:
"Also, in a SAM session, a client had a reaction to some "ultra safe" cream. Witnessed it."
I gave my brother a stick of Body Series underarm deodorant once, and his skin broke out into a rash when he first used it.
Ah!!!!Body Series underarm deodorant. Ask Ty and Deb. If you use them, you WILL have a rash. It is not very uncommon to see some IBOs walking like zombies due to rash in armpits.
I hate to have to say this, but…
-r
PS:
Degree antiperspirant is also known to give some people rashes. Then again, if you find out that your deodorant gives you a rash, you change brands.
hmmmm
Now, I wonder, what kind of person would keep buying something that is bad for them and costs more money. Could it be that in their tiny-little brains, they don't know they have a choice?
-=-
(wouldn't want to lose any credibility, now, would we?)
-r
PS:
When it is all about appearances, the system is easily corrupted. For instance, I know that that guy Dominick-with-a-c-k doesn't make as much as he claims—hell, he doesn't even claim, he implies he is doing super well.
*sighs*
What kind of business opportunity are you offering me when I am going to be compelled to lie about how well I'm doing? I'm having trouble with this one: Don't they know that if they have to lie to people that other people have to lie to them? No, I'm seriously asking!
-=-
Dawson, ever tried SA8? - I used to hate powders too, they never fully dissolved. Well thats not a problem at all with SA8. Not to mention SA8 also comes in a liquid, which I used cause I was skeptical of the powder, until I tried it and found out it totally dissolved.
Also, I use the Body Series deordorant. I've tried all 3 kinds and NEVER had a rash or any type of reaction. Some people are just sensitive to things. I've got a cousin that will get a rash if peanuts touch her skin.
I've also been to Spa Clinics before and seen people go in the SAM, and I've never seen anyone get a rash from any of the creams, cosmetics, etc.
But its cool that you guys shares these rare stories about someone who got rash, just to make us look bad. It says alot about the type of person you are :)
Oh, and to address the price issue. If price is so important to everyone, why aren't you all shopping at Big Lots, and Good Will- I mean thats where you get the cheapest stuff? Why aren't you all living in trailer homes, that the cheapest form of housing. Why aren't you all driving Ugo's, thats the cheapest car? So is everyone buying the Kirkland detergent? Why not?? Why are people still buying Tide, and Cheer?
Some of our prices are more expensive, some or not, some are cheaper. But you know what? I think FREE is pretty cheap! How bout you just go 1000pv, and make $250 on your monthly checks! You spend $250 to do your 100pv, you develop 1000pv business with retail & group, or just retail, and then make $250 then next month! So you you spend $250 to make $250, basically your products are Free!! Can you do that at Costco. Did anyone ever become a millionaire shopping at Odd Lots, and did they help others?
**You know what cracks me up, now listen closely. All you critics think that the Emeralds and Diamonds are the 'bad guys' and anyone under 1000pv (not making much after expenses) are the 'victims'.
Well how did a Diamond become a Diamond? By helping 6 people become a Platinum! Now whats a Platinum? Someone moving 7500pv worth of volume making about $2600 a month! Now even if they spent $100 a month on tools, $100 on gas, $31 for Kate, $15 for a website, and $100 for other expenses. Round that up to $400 a month in expenses, hell make it $500!! Their still making $2100 a month!! So we can all agree that a Platinum is making money! Over $2000 a month after expenses!
So a Diamond is just a person who helped 6 people make it to the Platinum level profitting over 2 grand a month.
Now how did that Platinum make it to Platinum? By helping a few people hit 4000pv or 2500pv. Maybe a couple at 1000. At 4000pv you're making about $1000 a month. So even if HE had expenses of $500 a month (which is really high) he's still profitting $500 extra a month!!
(My expenses are $40 for tools, $31 for Kate, $15 for my website, $30 for Opens, $30 for functions... round it up to $200 a month)
So even a person at 1000pv who's making $250 a month is breaking even or making $50 a month! So a person at 4000pv simply helped 4 people go 1000pv.
So I guess its the person at 300pv, 600pv, and 1000pv who are the Real 'bad guys' right? THEY'RE the ones with the people who are only making $10 or $100, and after all expenses breaking even or losing some!
I guess you can't be mad at Emeralds, all they did was help 3 people go Platinum. Its those d@mn 600PVers that are screwing people!! Oh, but what about when those 600pvers go Platinum, and then they help others go Platinum, then I guess they're ok. Just trying to think like a critic ;)
Quick review:
Diamond = Good guy :)
600PVer = Bad guy :(
Tony> Oh, and to address the price issue. If price is so important to everyone, why aren't you all shopping at Big Lots, and Good Will- I mean thats where you get the cheapest stuff? Why aren't you all living in trailer homes, that the cheapest form of housing. Why aren't you all driving Ugo's, thats the cheapest car? So is everyone buying the Kirkland detergent? Why not?? Why are people still buying Tide, and Cheer?
DI> Tony, you moron, still haven't bought those reading comprehension books? The whole point of this thread was that while SA8 is ridiculously more expensive than the other products, it IS NOT ANY BETTER than the class leaders, including Costco's Kirkland.
I like nice things Tony. I like my Lexus, I like my BMW, I like my Tissot watch. I paid a premium for these things because they are BETTER than their cheaper competitors, so the price premium is worth it. SA8, according to an objective study isn't better. So why is it so expensive?
(Oh, and Tony, the car company is spelled Y-U-G-O. Idiot.)
Tony> think FREE is pretty cheap! How bout you just go 1000pv, and make $250 on your monthly checks! You spend $250 to do your 100pv, you develop 1000pv business with retail & group, or just retail, and then make $250 then next month! So you you spend $250 to make $250, basically your products are Free!! Can you do that at Costco.
DI> No, Tony, in Costco I just buy the things I need for myself and my real business. My real business makes the money that I live off of. I don't need to hang around bookstores like an idiot and show people the plan several nights a week just so I can make a measly $250 per month. Those products aren't free Tony, you had to work like an ass to make the $250 back. I have better uses for my time and better products for my money.
Tony> So even a person at 1000pv who's making $250 a month is breaking even or making $50 a month! So a person at 4000pv simply helped 4 people go 1000pv.
DI> So if it's so "simple", why aren't you breaking even, genius?
Don't forget to answer my direct questions, Tony:
Is Quixtar really free enterprise like they claim?
And why can't bars display the XS logo? How does this "protect the IBO?"
Hey Genius, I said most months I am about breaking even!
And I answered your questions in the other topic where you posted then before.
Oh, and some people would say your Lexus was not worth it. I think SA8 IS better than the comp. So I use it. Not to mention the IBO cost is CHEAPER than what this 'survey' used. Plus the bonus back!
While a 1000pver is essentially getting there stuff for free, At 2500, 4000, and above your basically getting PAID to buy the stuff. If my sponsor spends $250, and then gets back $2500... you do the math. Hows Costcso and Walmart work in referrals - oh that's right they don't.
Tony> Oh, and to address the price issue. If price is so important to everyone, why aren't you all shopping at Big Lots, and Good Will- I mean thats where you get the cheapest stuff? Why aren't you all living in trailer homes, that the cheapest form of housing. Why aren't you all driving Ugo's, thats the cheapest car? So is everyone buying the Kirkland detergent? Why not?? Why are people still buying Tide, and Cheer?
Joecool> The diamonds all teach people to live cheap. That way the downline all have enough money to buy tools. That's why a diamond can tell someone to get out of debt, but ok to go into debt for functions.
Oh, and sory i mispelt YUGO - i gues i'm not so as smart as Yuuugo. See I never owned one, so I didn't know how it was spelled. I guess slapping a Lexus sticker on a Yugo makes it a luxury car, huh ;)
Here's a good analogy. This of quixtar as the army. There's a couple of generals
(crowns) and Colonels (diamonds, EDC, etc),
Majors (emeralds) and Captains and Lieutenants (pearls), and seargents (directs) and privates (non-direct).
Now as Tony says, anyone can work their way up, and those not making money are just paying their dues.
Now here's the analogy with quixtar. There will always be that hierarchy. Some may one day work their way up the ranks. But the fact is that the vast majority will never get to be an officer, and some are just not cut out for it either. The difference is that in the Army, everyone gets paid, including the privates. In quixtar, it's like the salaries of the privates are channeled up the ranks to the officers. The higher the rank, the bigger the cut.
That sums it up pretty well I think.
I posted this on another thread, but I would like one of the pro-quixtar folks to answer it. I challenge anyone to answer this simple question.
Let's say that all the IBO's in a diamond group were unemployed and they only had enough money for the sign up kit and to buy one month's worth of 100PV. Now the only way these IBO's could make money and create volume after the first month is to retail. What would happen after the first month? Tell me if the business still works?
Anyone care to take a shot at this? Tony?
The fabulous lifestyles protrayed by the diamonds comes from the downline's JOBS. The downline don't generate enough retail income to support a diamond.
I bet the diamond would soon be at the welfare office in this scenario.
Tony> Hey Genius, I said most months I am about breaking even!
DI> Congratulations, Tony, you've been doing all that hard work for NOTHING! Congratulations on being a waste of life, Tony. Get a real business.
Tony> Oh, and some people would say your Lexus was not worth it. I think SA8 IS better than the comp.
DI> Regardless of what you or I think, Lexus has always been rated at the top in luxury and quality, while SA8 has been rated as a medium quality product by INDEPENDENT appraisers. Or are you going to tell me that Consumer Reports hates Quixtar too?
What do you drive, Tony?
Tony> Not to mention the IBO cost is CHEAPER than what this 'survey' used. Plus the bonus back!
DI> Congrats, Tony. And with your IBO cost and with you're bonus, I'm still getting the better product, Kirkland, CHEAPER at Costco.
Tony> Hows Costcso and Walmart work in referrals - oh that's right they don't.
DI> I don't need referrals, my business makes the money. I just buy some of the raw materials at Costco. And with a Corporate account, i get cash back anyway, without having to spend a minimum amount as you do to get PV.
Tony> See I never owned one, so I didn't know how it was spelled.
DI> You don't have to own something to know how it's spelled. But I guess using your logic, you don't own a LEGITIMATE business 'cause you don't know how to spell the word!
A few points,
First, I must say that with rashes and breakouts, I must side with Tony. These are rare for these products, but only a fool would suggest there are none. I must also suggest that if you are getting a rash from a product, and you don't change, you are really stupid. I had an upline who could not use the shampoo, so he used another brand. No one had any problems with this in the LOS.
Second, I must state that, Tony, you are still deluded. Your 'free' products at 1000PV are not free. That extra money came from the people in your downline LOSING MONEY. My point still stands from before and will continue to stand until you provide objective evidence to the contrary: At any given time, there are vast amounts of people who are losing money for every one person who is breaking even.
The prices are much higher across the board (I agree there may be some comparably price products, but I have not found those yet). The reason is because the 'pay to play' fees that are illegal in a true pyramid are embedded in the products in a Product based pyrmid, such as Quixtar. The money made from Q by the higher ups gets lifted from the excess fees. I don't have a Q stat, but in the Reliv business, 39% of the money gets pulled off the final cost of the WHOLESALE price to pay the upper levels (check the SEC 10K doc from 2004)
The quality of the Q products are not objectively any better than anything else (in fact, I would argue that some are worse) and there is not enough consumer variety, either. List me some products that you think are cheaper, I'll go to the store and see if I can find an equivalient cheaper.
And the comment about everything cheaper, that is a slippery slope. Just because I want the cheapest quality soap doe snot mean I want the cheapest car. I have a nice fully loaded car, I was able to get the extra's because I save money on other things, like toothpaste (which mine is approved by the American Dental Association, or don't they know anything about teeth?) You keep spending $4.10 for 6.75 oz of toothpaste. I bought a BETTER quality paste for $1.73 for 12.5 oz. Good luck living on Q products!
Poorhouse Tony says> "Oh, and to address the price issue. If price is so important to everyone, why aren't you all shopping at Big Lots, and Good Will- I mean thats where you get the cheapest stuff? Why aren't you all living in trailer homes, that the cheapest form of housing. Why aren't you all driving Ugo's, thats the cheapest car? So is everyone buying the Kirkland detergent? Why not?? Why are people still buying Tide, and Cheer?"
Poorhouse Tony misses the concept of price vs. performance. That's what the Consumer Report is about.
If Poorhouse Tony understood that concept, he might not have even signed up for his
"business"
Anyway....the CR analysis enables the buyer to make an informed decision about spending a certain amount on detergent, based on the desired result.
My clothes are clean & I am saving money by using the Kirkland detergent
I get it @ Costco, if anyone is curious !!!!
(Oooh, the new bane of the ambots)
Tonybot likes his clothes less-clean and likes to spend more for it.
Okay, so, that's his decision.
Just as it is his decision to get wrapped up in the scam he is in.
Have fun the filth Tony, if you ever want to "get clean", you know what you gotta do!
TONYBOT: "But its cool that you guys shares these rare stories about someone who got rash, just to make us look bad."
Don't need those rare stories to make you look bad.
Just let you keep barking away like a little junkyard dog, and you sewer yourself. It's really quite funny, yet sad at the same time.
Your products are overpriced, grab a glove and get in the game. Even after your discounts and PV blah blah blah, it's still cheaper at Wal-Mart or Costco.
That is why your business sucks so much.
It may also be why you stink
df wrote:
"Poorhouse Tony misses the concept of price vs. performance. That's what the Consumer Report is about.
If Poorhouse Tony understood that concept, he might not have even signed up for his
"business""
In tony's case, I don't think it's a question of "missing" or "understanding" as it is "intentionally overlooking" - as instructed by his upline.
Hi. Saw an updated version of the chart on consumerreports.org (available to subscribers only) where a new category was added (Keeping dirt off) and gave Quixtar's SA8 a fair rating (the circle with the black half on the bottom). Let me know if you'd like a screenshot of it via email. I'll have to do it on a Windows machine though to capture a screenshot.
Thanks.
- Hae
Woooow, it's really amazing how many people don't and WON'T understand EVER...
Keep buying at COSTO people... and you will become RICH..
I spend around $300 and get $900 back per month... If a downline want's to get the same... he just need to do the same I did: Buy.. recomend, buy, recomend. See, that's not too hard unless you are dumb enough understad.
BTW, I don't know ANYONE who had become rich for buying at Costo. HAHAHA
Gooo Diamond Tony!! ;-)
Zeke
funny...u know what..
Every company owner makes money by distributing it lesser to its emplyees...could any CEO pay more to an employee than what he earned?
Never can it happen...
But for us...it is not so:)
Wikipedia is God on the net...Check it out M-F er's. SA8 is GREAT
Wow,
I guess the bots all might as well stick to the tools business, because nobody outside of Quixtar could actually be stupid enough to buy that overpriced crap.
Unless they felt sorry for a relative in this little rinky dink business.
Tools it is then
Posted by: rocket | August 30, 2005 5:56 AM