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August 25, 2005
Jonas' Dad
By QBlog in Quixtar
Last January a man known only as "Jonas' Dad" burst onto the Quixtar blogging scene angrily proclaiming that Quixtar had ruined his marriage. His blog, titled "Quixtar Criminals," detailed his struggles to gain custody of his newborn son, Jonas. The man describes his IBO wife as something short of a promiscuous, Quixtar-crazed lunatic.
Initially I was dubious about the legitimacy of Jonas' Dad's claims but over time I came to realize that his blog was no sham and simply the emotionally-charged expressions of a frustrated father.
In July those frustrations reached a kind of resolution as the father's divorce was finalized and he was granted full custody of his son. The judge's comments in the ruling are worth noting on this blog because they mention Quixtar and how the mother's involvement as an IBO affected her ability to provide for her son.
From pages two and three of the ruling the judge says the following:
9. The Court finds the Defendant has been involved with various men since separation from her husband and the initial trial date, and finds its not in the child's best interest to be in her primary care. The Court also finds thatt the Defendant has financial problems and finds that she often chooses to use her limited resources for Quixtar.
The Court finds that her net income is not sufficient to maintain stability. The court further finds that the Defendants employer is dissatisfied with her Quixtar involvement. The court is concerned that she chose a Quixtar event to attend, over an emmployment event to attend.
Further, the Court is concerned for the relationship that the Defendant would allow the minor child to have with the Plaintiff if she were to have custody.
The complete ruling is available for download (pdf).
What's astonishing to me about this sad story is that the father was granted complete custody of his son. That's very rare. Great deference is usually given to the mother, especially for infants.
Of course there's probably a lot more to this story than what we read on the Quixtar Criminals blog but it's interesting that the mother's involvement with Quixtar didn't help her case.
Comments
I think the court documents said that the mom had to pay $70 per week based on a $300 per week income.
Got it downloaded. Thanks Southerndeb.
Obviously, after reading the entire document, it's apparant that maybe Quixtar is not as family oriented as it would be purported.
Surprise Surprise.
Sad, very sad. Jonah is lucky to have a Dad like this......once in a while the Courts get it right
I am glade the JD story is getting the attention it deserves. Hopefully it can save at least one head-of-household from making the wrong decision....
...a decision that will tear apart, not unite, his/her family.
jd contributed to the tearing apart of his marriage. his newly wed wife wanted to try making extra money thru a legal and legitimate business. even if he didn't want to do it, he could have at least supported her on it. he could have just gone with her to be with her, for crying out loud they were newly weds!! he should've been wanting to spend time with her!
instead he told her he wanted nothing to do with it and called it a scam, i've read his crap before. so he left her by herself, married, but no husband to help her build it.
and there was her sponsor, helping her, cheering her on, taking his time and money to help her build it... thats a freakin recipe for disaster, for a marriage that i'm guessing wasn't the strongest to begin with.
if my girlfriend went away to college, and was always inviting me to come visit and hang out with her friends, and i never went cause i told her i didn't like that college or those parties, and then she starts forming a bond and makes a mistake with some guy... yea, i'm gonna be pissed and hurt, but how stupid was i for never going up there?
she made a mistake, no don't, but jd played a hand in it. he tore her down, he didn't support her, he called it a scam. he probably told their friends and family not to look at it. what a stab in the back and shot in the foot. if there are college kids making more than he probably makes at walmart, the 2 of them coulda done this.
i've heard the divorce rate is really low, for couples building it as a couple, not when one spouse is unsupportive and negative to the other.
i feel sorry for jd, his wife and son. but this could have had a much different ending.
Hey MC you bot
For the vast majority of people, it is a scam.
Less than 1% really "succeed" in this. The ones that do succeed do so because other people are brainwashed into toeing the line and following the system.
I'd like to see where you got the data that people building as a couple have a lower divorce rate than those that don't. QBlog didn't help his wife out much, they're still together.
He wanted nothing to do with it and called it a scam because it is.
He's obviously smarter than a sheep like you there big guy.
By the way, the divorce rate was purported to be at ZERO PERCENT in the late 90's. Once the internet started playing a big role in the system, the facts come out and made the upline look like a bunch of retarded monkeys humping a football.
But if you want to pay into that, go ahead. You obviously don't think for yourself or get both sides of the business, you just blindly believe what you are told.
Good for you.
"thats a freakin recipe for disaster, for a marriage that i'm guessing wasn't the strongest to begin with."
Dear MC...
I quote the first rule of relationships. There's only two people who know what's going on in a relationship. And sometimes, not even they do.
You don't know anything about what went bad in that marriage, outside of what is in that court document. So don't speculate.
Furthermore, there's a hell of a difference between your hypothetical college relationship with your hypothetical girlfriend and a marriage that has a child.
Sincerely.
The Mayor
I just put Jonas to sleep. I was writing a comment and he pulled the plug, so I'll try again...
I apologize for not posting more; those of you who have kids know it's a full time job, especially being a single dad.
I wish I could post the transcripts, which are even more revealing and critical of Quixtar. Unfortunately, they cost $3.10 a page, which include four days of testimony and rulings. I spent close to $30,000 in attorney fees, consultant fees, private investigator, psychologist, etc…. I hope to pay off all the debts in a couple of months and then I can purchase and post the transcript. I do have some recorded phone calls and depositions of the ex and her former boss, I'll try and post.
She is now engaged and plans to marry her IBO boyfriend as soon as possible, who also just divorced his wife. They are telling me they will try to get Jonas back. He's a real class act. Ha! He tried to fight me with Jonas in my arms.
After the ruling, instead of going to her family, she went to see her Quixtar IBO adopted mother, and went back to this IBO boyfriend after testifying she had broken it off with him in Jonas' best interest, and she quit her job and works with her boyfriend now, doing Quixtar and I don't know what else.
She is currently going on three weeks behind on child support, has not paid her share of medical, not paid daycare expenses while in her care, and has stolen from me again.
Jonas is doing great! He's adorable; in fact he has been doing some baby modeling locally. He's the perfect baby, sleeps through the night, loves to eat, never cries, and gets into everything!
MC
Your post implies that the break up was over money. Typical IBO one track mind.
You don't know me. Unlike all and I mean all Quixtar IBOs, I'm not ashamed of my earnings and I don't live dreaming about my future. I'm living it now...I just bought a new home, I also own land on a private lake where I'm building Jonas' and my dream home. I drive a BMW. I got married to my ex and had our honeymoon at Travel Channels number one most romantic beach resort in the world. Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes were there, Moroma Mexico, on our anniversary coincedently (we had planned on going back then). Get the picture.
The fact that I was providing her with the lifestyle Quixtar IBOs dream about, prove that there are psychological issues involved in being a part of any cult including her Quixtar motivational group.
I had my own real company for four years. On our honeymoon we talked about starting up the company again and doing it together; a real legitimate business that makes real money. But no, when we got back and got around the IBOs she was lured back into the cult.
Don't bash Wal-Mart. I've been with them two and half years, make more than the average Quixtar "Emerald". I just had my quarterly review and I'm getting my fifth raise. My boss said I was the next generation of leadership, and told me what I had to do to be promoted within four years, and then I'll make more than the average Quixtar "Diamond".
By the way, anyone want to purchase my ex's wedding ring, it has twenty-two diamonds, the main diamond is 1.25 carat princess with perfect cut, clarity, and color. The bands are white gold and platinum. It appraised at $17,000. I also have a nice wedding dress to sell.
Why was it again that she had to do this Quixtar scam?
JD: I am interested in the center cut. And possible the platnum band. It could make a nice surprise present. How much?
MC - you are going to hell. Plain & simple.
Don't say I didn't warn you...I doubt I am the first.......
I doubt you have had a real mate, let alone a spouse. You might have an ambot
fu-kbuddy, you know, someone to split those hotel seminar expenses with. But other than that, I think you are a sad little person.
I couldn't imagine the pain and betrayl that must come from a divorce, let alone a divorce that comes from such an obviously fraudelent and petty organization.
JD, I am glad you got custody of your son and I'm sure you guys will have great times together. I believe that everything happens for a reason, good and bad. Things work out the way they should, not the way we always want them to. Sounds you and Jonas are starting out well in spite of everything and you seem like a guy who will go far in life and that's what your kid needs. Good luck in everything you do. Being a single parent will have challenges that will drive you nuts some days but it's worth it.
df or anyone else can email me at Zck917@aol.com
JD, I am glad to hear that you and your son are doing fine. Here's what I hope; that one day soon your ex will come to her senses, quit Quixtar, and become a mother to her little boy. I have two sons ages 3 and 6 and NOTHING could come between my relationship with them. I wish you the best of luck. You will be in my prayers.
MC, Of all the classless, disgusting posts that are made by ambots on this blog, your post about JD and his marriage tops the list. We're talking about a divorce here, and you are being rude by trying to rub salt JD's wounds. It's like telling someone who was abused as a child that it was all their fault. I am assuming that you are not married, based on your pathetic "college girlfriend" analogy. My advice to you is don't even speculate on things which you know nothing about.
JD,
Aside from the quixtar stuff with the ex wife, If you are truly the better parent, congradulations. Often times in the news we see the stories of women who shouldn't deserve to be mothers, yet they get awarded custody because they are the mother anyway, no matter how "unfit " they really are. The main point of this article is making sure Jona is well taken care of, and if you can provide that for the kid, more power to you. I for one am happy to see Jona will be well taken care of. In a divorce, it's not always about the ex's, its about making sure the kids have the best life possible because they didn't do anything wrong.
Personally, I think there were more sides to this story than JUST quixtar, but I don't want to get into a huge arguement over it. Just make sure that kid is well taken care of JD.
Peace
Congratulations JD. I'm glad that everything worked out well for you. You fought hard for your son - due to your overwhelming concern for him - and it paid off.
Sometimes in life, the good guy (figuratively speaking of course) DOES WIN :-)
I would also like to suggest, though, that at some point your now ex-wife may start to see the error of her ways, and start to come around. If and when this happens (hopefully more of "when"), please make sure that you are there for her to offer encouragement and support, despite the fact that you are no legally longer her husband. Remember - Jonas is also her son by birth just as much as yours, and if she can eventually one day prove that she is fit to be a responsible mother again, then she should definitely be given another chance to fully get back into his life.
The best of luck to you and Jonas, and may God's prayers be there for all three of you; as you all fully mend back together as father, mother & son.
Hey mc, I'm still waiting for your apology to me for misquoting me on the other thread (twice) and putting me down for its content.
JD, you rawk man! My son was four when his mom died, and that was nearly six years ago. I've been doing it all myself since then. I see all the time how much my son misses his mom, so I hope Jonas's mom can be a part of his life (in a good way) sooner rather than later. It's just not going to be in a good way as long as the cult has its hold on her.
MC, ordinarily I would avoid this, but: You Koolaid swilling cultie, that had to be about the rudest, most head-buried-up-to-the-shoulders-in-your-own-ass posting I've seen in a while. Support? SUPPORT? Do you even know what it means? If your wife decided to start shooting heroin, would you support that? Would you cook it for her and help her find a vein? If she started turning tricks to pay for more would you feel guilty because you hadn't supported her enough?
Sometines SUPPORTING someone means telling them what they're doing is wrong or stupid, not enabling unhealthy behavior. Sometimes it means smacking them upside the head with reality, not blindly assisting them in whatever they get themselves into. Sometimes, if they're just not getting it, for your own well-being and especially if there are children involved, you have to sever the tie. Should you cover for a family member that's an alcoholic? Smuggle booze in for them when they're in rehab? Is that supporting? Should a wife say the bruises are from falling down the stairs? Have to support her husband, after all!
JD saw quaxtar (not just the corporation but the whole phenomenon) for what it is, and SO DID THE JUDGE. You must have some idea how rare it is for the father to get custody when the mother is alive. There has to be a compelling reason. The harm she was doing to her family could be attributed directly to her involvement. She is not of sound mind, and won't be as long as she's snorting the Koolaid in powder form straight from the packs. It was obvious enough to someone whose JOB it is to be objective.
Hey MLMscam,
I'd like an apology for all your insults to IBO's, will that ever happen? I doubt it.
Besides, what would you do if he didn't apologize?
I like to think of the "biz" as a boatload of false promises. People do have dreams and would like better things for themselves and their familes. That is commendable. The problem is that quixtar is not the vehicle that's going to deliver those dreams. You don't even need math (although that also proves my point) to see who's making money. Just look at the typical functions. There's a diamond, and a handful of directs, and maybe up to 1000 people there in attendance.
The diamond makes the lion's share of the money, the directs make some or break even, the rest of them either do nothing, or they lose money. If retail sales do not account for the diamond's profits, then the JOBS of the downline are supporting the diamond's lifestlke.
It's a matter of common sense if you really think about it.
JD,
I wonder what would happen if your ex wife "googled" quixtar and found the divorce decree posted online?
To Michael:
Hey that's okay Michael. I know that an apology isn't forthcoming from idiots such as mc.
As far as yourself is concerned, I suggest that in the future you mind your own business, otherwise you're going to get hurt someday.
And that's not a threat, it's a promise.
I guess the frustration of the quixbots is finally starting to show. We how have a legal document in our midst that PROVES the "unfamily like" characteristics of the quixscam business.
I liken Michael to Bill Britt - very tough on the outside when he's amongst his other brainwashed quixbot buddies, but will piss & crap in his pants if he ever had to deal with a critic live one on one.
Go Get 'em Michael!!!
Hey I can help set up a grudge match between mlm and michael or mc. ;)
I agree I can't believe JD allowed the online posting of that divorce decree. I wonder if he asked his wife's permission.
MC, may have been a little harsh with his post, but he wasn't putting the blame on JD, he said JD's wife made a mistake, just that it could've been avoided.
Hey bystandard, I love you analogy of "spouse using cocaine, and heroine", etc. The difference there dickhead, is that drugs are illegal and dangerous. No one ever starts using cocaine, and then 3 years down the road is financially free, and helping others do the same. However Qx, is NOT illegal. And after 3 years my upline DD was financially independent, and has taught dozens of other how to do the same!
And Joecool - I don't know what functions You went to- but 1 Diamond, and a few directs and 1000 people?? The last function I went to there were a dozen Diamonds, a few EDC's, a bunch of Emeralds, 100's of directs, and probably 20,000 @ the event! I guess its grown some since you were in.
Oh and at this FED Dave and Kristen Dussalt will be new Diamonds, I believe they've been in for 4-5 years and are now the 1st Qx-only Diamonds.
Tony> And Joecool - I don't know what functions You went to- but 1 Diamond, and a few directs and 1000 people?? The last function I went to there were a dozen Diamonds, a few EDC's, a bunch of Emeralds, 100's of directs, and probably 20,000 @ the event! I guess its grown some since you were in.
Joecool> I was talking about a local function, but I could expand it to say that a dozen diamonds are making money, a bunch of emeralds making some money, couple hundred directs breaking even or making a little, and then 19,500 IBO's losing money to support the pins that are making some money.
Oh, one more thing mlm - this court document doesn't prove sh!t as to Quixtar being "unfamily-like"! JD, didn't even participate in it. There WAS no family, it was just her! That's the problem. If he had been a part of it, he could have seen the heart of some of these people and gotten something out of it.
Ever go on "Retreat" in highschool? My HS did a retreat the summer before our Senior year, and 99% of the people loved it. It brought us closer together, it helped people confront and cope with problems, and it was an overall great experience! Every Tuesday night at our Nightowls, its like that retreat!
If people are having problems in a relationship, we've got books that can help, and you have personal mentors that you can talk to that have been thru the same things. Quixtar is VERY family-oriented. Just because this guy couldn't see it, and now blames it for his divorce doesn't make it so. He could've taken the time to meet the people, gone to a function, got around the team, and supported his wife. But he didn't do that, and now they ALL paid the price.
From what I've seen with MY own eyes, on MY team: couples that build it together have great relationships, they speak highly of each other, they have a common goal, and marriages that were on the brink of disaster have been saved!
But if 1 spouse is for it and one is not only unsupportive, but negative toward her (or him) it cannot help them.
Sure a spouse can build it by themselves. And just because one spouse is in and the other is unsupportive doesn't mean the marriage is gonna break up. But when one is trying to build it and the other is more than unsppurtive, but negative, you're stacking the oddes against you! The 2 will be more Likely to split up. I'm glad Qb and his wife are still together, but is his wife still in? I didn't think she still was. But either way, I doubt he is negative toward her! He probably just doesn't discuss it with her.
But from what I've seen - couples building it together have stronger relationships! And they have the support to keep it strong.
Hey MC
What was the recipe for disaster with
Bill & Hanna Childers
Bill & Wife 2 Childers
BIll & Wife 3 Childers
Bill & Peggy Britt
Tim & Connie Foley
Kenny & Donna Stewart
Doug & Gail Collinsworth
etc
etc
etc
Tony>Oh, one more thing mlm - this court document doesn't prove sh!t as to Quixtar being "unfamily-like"!
Court Document>"The court also finds that the defendant has financial problems and finds that she often chooses to use her limited resources for Quixtar."
SD>Tony, what about the above quote makes Quixtar sound "family like" to you? If pro family means spending your last dime on a tool or product instead of spending it on taking care of your family's primary needs, then Quixtar is definitely "family like." Mlmscam was correct in his statement; he actually read the document, did you? One more thing, we're talking about the breakup of a family here, so please quit being so tacky by saying Jona's dad was not supportive enough. The fact is that JD's ex chose Quixtar over her family, and it is wrong to place anything like that above your own family.
Poorhouse Tony>Quixtar is VERY family-oriented
DF> Not from what I've seen. I see a lot of kids getting handed off to brothers, sisters, parents, grandparents, etc.
Not just once a week for meetings, but all weekend, every weekend.
Poorhouse Tony>But from what I've seen - couples building it together have stronger relationships! And they have the support to keep it strong.
DF> I have to agree with Tony there. The Mom/Dad combos I see are very into themselves as a 'team'. But that's it. They interact with other ambot couples and upline members.
Leaving the kids again, alone and in the dark as to what is going on.
Terrible. It makes me sick.
Kids are crying and emotionally distraught over this stuff. That's where the I draw the line in the sand.
If you want to screw you your own life, that's fine. But when you start hurting those that depend on your love and care, that's beyond disgrace.
Poorhouse Tony:
When you get finishing singing "kumbaya" at your midnight (or later) meeting, make sure you give your upline a big hug from me.
Then ask them if you could buy their same system cds from eBay.
Let me know what they say.
I mean, if you are independent, you should be able to buy your 'tools' as you see fit, right?
Tony, just how independent are you in your organization
Tony> Quixtar is VERY family-oriented.
Joecool18> Tony, dude, I respect you and your efforts, but Quixtar is NOT Family Oriented. NO CHILDREN are allowed at functions. In fact, people who are building the business probably who hardly see their kids because of the business.
Also, on another note, since you compared quixtar to TKD and football, etc. Yes, maybe with effort, you can achieve various levels of success, but the coaches don't tell you to skip your house payments to pay for TKD lessons, or they don't tell you to dump your spouse/girlfriend if you want to play football. That was my previous point.
Quixtar is very much like a card tournament. Few will win, many will play. The only difference that someone pointed out to me, is that most enter the tournament expecting to lose. The only difference between this and quixtar is that the quixtar folks go in thinking they will win.
Hey Tony baloney, I'm still waiting for a reply over on the other post...what's the matter, can't handle my "weak-@ass" argument?
Funny thing, I don't remember having to go to any nightowls or functions for our real retail business. Somehow it's still successful!
Tony doesn't read the documents on here nor many of the actual arguments, he just picks and chooses what to argue against. It would be too detrimental to his convoluted view to do otherwise.
I find it is similar to religious zealots, not wanting to view life from any other perspective lest they break the reality they have so precariously balanced themselves on top of.
These IBO's can't let it enter there head that maybe, just maybe the organization and business they have submerged themselves into is not the utopia they were promised.
It would destroy there ability to continue "doing business" It is far easier to dismiss everyone else with a differing opinion as negative and unworthy of consideration.
Tony, MC and Michael until you have walked in the same shoes concerning marriage, adultery, divorce, child custody and all of the terrible pain associated you should keep your insensitive and ignorant comments private, you bring shame upon yourselves and your so called business with your blather.
Tony> Oh and at this FED Dave and Kristen Dussalt will be new Diamonds, I believe they've been in for 4-5 years and are now the 1st Qx-only Diamonds.
Joecool> So if this is true, out of the thousands and thousands of people who signed up for Quixtar, one (1) couple was able to complete the 2-5 year plan and go diamond? That's not exactly a mind blowing amount of success. It's probably because all the other "amway" diamonds were grandfathered into quixtar and really cannot teach people to go diamond in quitar. LOL
Hey Bystander:
I don't usually comment much, just read the blog...but your analogy of support is amazing. I just e-mailed it to my mom who is trying to help me convince my brother that Quixtar is a scam. Thanks!
Quixtar is a business, and business is about profit/money. JD was/is making plenty of money to support his family. There's nothing to stop his wife from trying to make more too, but her Quixtar business wasn't making money. In fact, it was draining JD and family of a significant portion of money.
Now, if JD was making plenty of money and the wife's Quixtar business wasn't making money and in fact losing money, what's the business thing to do? The answer is quit Quixtar, since the family would have more money.
But that's not what the wife did. In fact, she sank deeper into Quixtar and deeper into debt! She replaced blood family with Quixtar family and ended up losing her regular job. Since the divorce, the wife has missed support payments, medical payments, etc. The wife would rather spend money on Quixtar tools then on her own child!
It's a sign of a cult. Rational thinking says the wife should quit Quixtar because she is losing money and letting Quixtar get in the way with her relationship with her family. Rational thinking says if Quixtar is really a great option, it will be in a year or two and the wife should quit, get another regular job and get her life in order before starting Quixtar again. But she doesn't. Again and again, the wife chooses Quixtar over family, money, anything. Sounds like a cult to me.
Not to mention, I don't know how Tony and some others can actually believe that quixtar is "very family oriented". Kids are not allowed at functions or meetings. In fact kids are often shuffled off to the sitters regularly due to the numerous meetings.
Try scheduling a birthday party for your kid and then have a quixtar function or meeting pop up, I wonder what would happen? Reschedule the party or skip the function? Or what if your church has a baptism on the same day as a function?
The quixtar folks would attend the function I suspect.
Remember that the kingpins teach
God #1, Spouse #2, Family #3, Job #4,
Quixtar #5.
Got anything to say about this Tony or Michael?
Tony wrote:
"Oh, one more thing mlm - this court document doesn't prove sh!t as to Quixtar being "unfamily-like"! "
What are you on drugs or something? Tony, did you bother even downloading the pdf file of Jonas' divorce decree? When you do, Pay special attention to page 3 - court decree #9:
"The court finds that the defendant often chooses to use her limited resources for Quixtar".
"The court finds that the defendant has been involved with various men since separation from her husband".
Is this what the quixscam business promotes, Tony?
This one really shocked me, Tony:
"If people are having problems in a relationship, we've got books that can help, and you have personal mentors that you can talk to that have been thru the same things. Quixtar is VERY family-oriented. Just because this guy couldn't see it, and now blames it for his divorce doesn't make it so. He could've taken the time to meet the people, gone to a function, got around the team, and supported his wife. But he didn't do that, and now they ALL paid the price."
Can you say...CULT?
Tony, here you are putting the business before family. IOW, screw the father if he didn't want to become involved with the quixtar people and make quixtar the center of his life.
What happened to "God - Family - and then The Business"? That's what they always preached when I was an IBO. This is inconsistency #1.
Inconsistency #2:
Tony, Bill Britt always used to preach that it's the man who controls the family, that the wife should always do what the man says. That he is the boss. That he's the one who wears the pants in the family. That he's the Ralph Kramden "KING OF HIS CASTLE"!!! That she is subservient towards his needs.
Whoa!!! What happened Tony? Now you're saying here that JD - as the husband -should have followed his wife's lead and come into the quixtar business, despite his misgivings towards it. Here, the man is now considered to be the weak individual. That the wife's decision is the one that should have been followed & obeyed, NOT THE HUSBAND'S!!!
Tony wrote:
"Hey I can help set up a grudge match between mlm and michael or mc. ;)"
Well, thanks for offering, but no thanks. Just like yourself Tony, Michael or mc are going to claim that they never recieved my email, and there we go starting all over from square 1 again. I'm definitely not going through that "tit for tat" again.
yours truly wrote:
"Tony, did you bother even downloading the pdf file of Jonas' divorce decree?"
Please excuse the freudian slip. I meant JD's divorce decree.
Dawson wrote:
"Tony, MC and Michael until you have walked in the same shoes concerning marriage, adultery, divorce, child custody and all of the terrible pain associated you should keep your insensitive and ignorant comments private, you bring shame upon yourselves and your so called business with your blather."
They can't, they're too busy brown nosing the hole of their quixtar god's ass.
Tony, you are I find that your tone of posts is directly proportional to how waaayyyy off base you are. You call people dickheads, yet identify yourself as a leader. The more difficult you find the defense, the more vile you get.
You are stupid, is all. Accept it, and you may as well have your paycheque from your job deposited directly into your upline's account, just to eliminate the middle man.
Tony - "No one ever starts using cocaine, and then 3 years down the road is financially free, and helping others do the same. "
Ever see the movie "Blow"?
Again, wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
I don't think you've ever been right yet about anything you've commented on. You and MC should start driving to functions together and taping the in car conversations. I'd buy it for a good laugh, and it's the only way you'll EVER make money in Quixtar.
Tool.
George, wow you named 6 couples that have supposedly gotten divorced! Astounding, should I now name everyone I know in the business who isn't divorced!
2% dickhead, 2%!! What part of that don't you understand? Yes, that means that some couples building it together will still get divorced, over what? Who knows, what does 55% of this country get divorced over?
SD, have you heard Her side of it? No! She didn't choose Quixtar over her family! She tried building the business with a negative husband, and in a moment of weakness cheated on him, I don't excuse that. She F*ed up! But then he filed for divorce. And blamed Qx for all of it. Blame the IBO she cheated with, blame Her, but How in the h#ll do you blame Qx?? Was it his fault? No! But if he had just gone to a few meetings, and told her "do your thing, but I don't really want to do it" - I think things could've been different. But he didn't do that. He called it a scam and tore her down instead of building her up. JD, if I'm wrong, correct me.
df, your view of kids in this business is pretty F*ed up! My upline Ruby takes his kids with him sometimes if he goes out to contact. They're homeschooled with their own mother because she's partially free of a job! Not at Daycare, or with a grandparent... with their own mother!!
And if I wanna buy old tapes off eBay, I will - but eBay doesn't sell the newest Standing order coming out. Thats all I buy ruight now is STO. A wopping $32 a month!! Gee, that would've bought the 1st 3 chapters in my Principles of Marketing book back in college!
And Joe, I respect you too, but would you please stop talking about the business of 1988!! How old are you, or howlong have you been out? Cause Nothing you talk about resembles the business I'M in! Children CAN come to functions!! At the age of 12 they can sit right there next to there parents!! Heck my upline Diamond has all 4 kids at functions sometimes! 2 of them like to work the tools or clothing tables.
And I know people who have brought their younger kids along with their babysitter, and made it like a mini vacation. They hang out with the sitter during the function, and then see their parents during breaks in the sessions. We do a lot a team during the breaks, we'll eat lunch, hit an arcade, ride go-carts, etc. Not to mention weekend functions only come 4 times a year. Not every weekend!
Don, I have to go to these either I choose to. Btw, what was your weak@ss argument, I have more important things to do than scroll thru the mounds of crap on this site. Better yet, just email me at tonyqibo@yahoo.com
Hey Dawson, actually I did read the whole document, thanks for more of your idiotic assumptions. And as I've said before, I have friends who aren't interested in the business, but we're still friends. I don't "dismiss" them because they're "unworthy".
Oh, and here's a newsflash - when someone posts their divorce decree online for the whole world to see(or allows it) and uses it to bash a legitmate business... expect some people to voice their opinion! If he didn't want people talking about his role in the matter, he should've kept it private! When I share things on here, You all give me Your opinions now don't you? You been in My shoes? You been to My meetings and nightowls, gotten to know the people I have?? No! But you still tear me and My opinions down, based on what You experienced, or what you heard from a friend of a friend!!
Joe18> all the other "amway" diamonds were grandfathered into quixtar and really cannot teach people to go diamond in quitar
T> what the h#ll are you talking about?? Grandfathered in?? No one is "grandfathered" in. If they had six legs over in Amway, and then still had 6 over in Sept of 99 - they still earned their way to Diamond. Joe M went Diamond in Amway, then went EDC in Qx, and now is a Double Diamond!! He wasn't grandfathered into jacksh!t!!
dmm, I don't support people ignoring their family, or going into massive debt for anything! Don't blame me, and MY business for what She did!! She shouldn't have cheated on JD, she shouldn't be skipping her support payments. If she's buying too many tapes, etc. I agree she should cut back, save some money. But I know 1st hand you can run this on a shoestring budget.
JD, says he's making good money with WM - he mentioned in a few years after a promotion he'll be making over $150,000, and makes nearly $80,000 now! Along with Her income, there's no reason why they couldn't have afforded:$32 for STO, $31 for a Kate, $15 for a website, and $90 once every 3-4 months for a conference!!
Joe, I already answered your issue of kids at functions, they Are allowed! And yes I would not schedule a birthday party on the weekend of a conference. Try explaining to your college professor that you missed his final exam study, because you had a birthday party to go to! Or how bout missing a meeting at your job! I'm sure your boss would love to hear that! Celebrate it the weekend before! You really think an 8yr old cares if he gets his new bike on the 22 versus the 29th?? Yea, let's skip a whole weekend conference so we can celebrate Billy's birthday on its exact day!! I Rarely had a party ON my birthday, it was usually in between mine and a siblings or cousin's b-day also.
Hey mlm, you're getting real stupid again!
mlm> "The court finds that the defendant has been involved with various men since separation from her husband".
Is this what the quixscam business promotes, Tony?
No, its not d!ckhead, WOULD YOU STOP BLAMING QUIXTAR FOR WHAT JD'S WIFE DID!! You're the same kind of GD people that want to sue the gun manufacturer when someone gets shot!! Blame the Person!! SHE screwed up. We teach never to mess with anyone's money, ego or spouse! She didn't follow that!
mlm> Tony, here you are putting the business before family. IOW, screw the father if he didn't want to become involved with the quixtar people and make quixtar the center of his life.
T> WOW! How many words can mlm fit in my mouth!! I've never said to put quixtar before family! And I NEVER said JD had to "make Quixtar the center of his life"!
ALL this guy had to do was tell his wife, "hey, its not for me, i'll try some of the stuff, I may come check out a few meetings if you really want, but this will be your thing." And I guarantee you if her team is anything like mine, he would have seen the positive atmosphere, he would have seen the morals and the principles of the Overall team, and I think he would liked it, and at Least supported her.
I know guys where it was "the wife's thing" - SHE was the one to sign up, but then He started coming around and became involved. Thats basically the story of TWO Emerald couples on Joe M's team!! Steve & Laurie Fratarcangeli, and Jarrod & Stephanie Maleno! Both are near Diamond qualification!! Why are these couples different? Why is my sponsor and his wife building it together - why was JD so negative and unsupportive?!
Hey mlm if you don't wanna go thru that "tit for tat" again then you best stop letting SH!T flow from your lips!! I F#CKING told you I didn't get no GD email from you!!! Now I thought we were cool on that matter and laid it to rest, but if your gonna act like a GD little b!tch about it and bring it back up saying I lied about never getting it, then we can bring Qblog back into it!!
Hey pocket rocket,
When have I Ever identified myself as a leader. And how does calling a d!ckhead, a d!ckhead make me less of a person. That just makes me observant. If you think I'm stupid, go ahead and say it. If I think you're a punk@ss weiney (and I do) - I'm gonna call a spade a spade.
If you got sand in your Vagin@, brush it out!
And then learn how to read... I said "using cocaine" - not Selling cocaine!!
I've been right about plenty of things! And don't worry about me - I Will be making plenty of $$ with whatever I set my mind to - because I'm not a little crybaby candy@ss quitter like you!!
Tony> Joe18> all the other "amway" diamonds were grandfathered into quixtar and really cannot teach people to go diamond in quixtar.
T> what the h#ll are you talking about?? Grandfathered in?? No one is "grandfathered" in. If they had six legs over in Amway, and then still had 6 over in Sept of 99 - they still earned their way to Diamond. Joe M went Diamond in Amway, then went EDC in Qx, and now is a Double Diamond!! He wasn't grandfathered into jacksh!t!!
Joecool> Tony, what I'm saying is that these older diamonds who became diamond in "Amway" built the business with product call in and pickup, etc. The old days like when I was in the business. Today it's built partly through the internet and partly through the old system. The diamonds who were grandfathered in, they did not build the "quixtar business". As I understand, the business is much different these days. Therefore how can the older diamonds teach you to go diamond in quixtar when they didn't do it themselves?? I understand that they would still be recognized as diamonds if they have 6 qualified legs.
And Tony, thanks for educating me about kids being allowed at functions. When I was in the business, we were told that functions were business functions, absolutely no children allowed. They didn't even allow kids to be at house meetings. This is news to me.
Tony> Joe, I already answered your issue of kids at functions, they Are allowed! And yes I would not schedule a birthday party on the weekend of a conference. Try explaining to your college professor that you missed his final exam study, because you had a birthday party to go to! Or how bout missing a meeting at your job!
Joecool> But Tony, what if you planned the party say 6 months in advance, secured a restaurant, put down a deposit and had invited maybe 50-100 guests. Then suddenly a function pops us because you didn't have the function schedule that far in advance? What would you do then???
If you're in college, you more or less know when your exams will be held so you can plan around it.
In quixtar, your upline could call a meeting on a whim, or the function date might be
announced after you schedule your kid's party, or your own wedding for example. Then what? I know it's your own call as an IBO, but upline always says "NEVER MISS A FUNCTION".
What would you do?????
Tony> And Joe, I respect you too, but would you please stop talking about the business of 1988!! How old are you, or howlong have you been out? Cause Nothing you talk about resembles the business I'M in! Children CAN come to functions!! At the age of 12 they can sit right there next to there parents!! Heck my upline Diamond has all 4 kids at functions sometimes! 2 of them like to work the tools or clothing tables.
Joecool18> I had to read this again Tony. So what happens to babies and children under 12? Are they allowed at functions too? And I left the business in 1998, right before the launch of quixtar. I am currently 41 years old.
Some of the concepts may have changed, but most of the basics have not. They still teach buy from yourself, they still have standing order. BWW may not, but I believe WWDB still does product call in and pickup. Strangely enough, two weeks ago I saw one of my neighbors running a product pickup in their garage. I saw some people walking out with boxes full of products.
People still hang out at bookstores stalking potential recruits, people still invite with the premise of an exciting new business opportunity, people still refuse to verify income claims, etc etc etc.
The business has a new name, but not that much has changed since I left the business from what I gather.
T>If you got sand in your Vagin@, brush it out!
SD>Tony, this is the most crass, disgusting statement I think I have ever seen. Watch your manners, show a little class, and apologize. This statement made my stomache turn just reading it. Also, quit defending Quixtar with regards to JD's divorce. A child is without a mother because of this, and all you can say is "maybe JD could have gone to a meeting or two." You don't know what JD did or did not do; so quit making assumptions. One more thing, you praise your upline for being positive role models, practically perfect in every way. Well, would they want to associate themselves with someone who constantly spews forth vulgarities like you? IOW, take your guttermouth elsewhere.
The whole story is on my blog (some of the earlier posts), at least what I've revealed. Actually there is more, but I'm not posting it, trying to protect her.
The fact is while dating her, she explained to me her "internet marketing company" and I blurted out this sounds like Amway, she became very defensive and said it wasn't, that it was different. Little did I know that it really was Amway. I tried to get her out of it, knowing it was a pyramid scam and tried to explain it to her, she would refuse to even hear me out, exactly like all IBOs do (I believe for the psychological reasons commented earlier), this subject would turn out to be the only thing we ever argued about. She became a little inactive while dating me.
After our marriage, we were going to buy a home, I wanted to buy her a new car, we bought all new furniture, we had a baby on the way, etc. Her upline/ex-friend starting calling all the time and it bothered me, I said nothing. Then she gets a call from him asking her if she would buy massive quanities of soap from him, so he could go to a Quixtar function. (That sounds like typical IBO "success", HA!) I said nothing. Then she wanted to pay her upline/ex-boyfriend back $6000, at first I said nothing. Then our brother-law said something and I chimed in. She flipped out and it was our first fight as a married couple.
Later I asked if she wanted to go out for dinner and talk things out. She agreed, until she got a call from her upline to go to another function/dinner. She canceled our date. Said she would be home at 10:30 pm. I bacame worried when she didn't come home. I finally got a hold of her at 1:30 in the morning and she was embarrassed that I had called her during her meeting, yelled at me, and hung up. She didn't come home that night. She called me at 4:30 in the morning to say her function was over and was going to have a yard sale (selling X drinks) with her group.
When she came home she sat me down and said that she had decided, "that she didn't need to be with someone who wouldn't support her dream, and was negative. That I was holding her back. That she had decided that she was still in love with her upline/ex-boyfriend."
Now tell me that my divorce was not caused by Quixtar!
This group is a cult! Cults want to replace those that love you, like your family and friends, for their own gain in this case financial gain. I didn't learn that until later talking to cult experts about Quixtar, trying to figure out what would be so controlling as to cause this behavior and thought processes.
It continues to this day.
My good man Tony wrote:
"Tony>Oh, one more thing mlm - this court document doesn't prove sh!t as to Quixtar being "unfamily-like"!"
Both you and I failed to pick up on a faux-pas on your part Tony - you're improper use of a double negative in a sentence.
If the court document "DOESN'T prove sh!t", doesn't that mean then that it DOES prove something other than sh!t? Think about that one for a moment.
What you really meant was "The court document DOES prove sh!t"!
"Blame the Person!! SHE screwed up."
Watch your puns there, tony.
Tony wrote:
"Hey mlm, you're getting real stupid again!"
Just coming down to your level tony, so don't take it personal, my good man.
"No, its not d!ckhead, WOULD YOU STOP BLAMING QUIXTAR FOR WHAT JD'S WIFE DID!! "
1) Stop yelling at my d!ckhead. You may get it upset, and it'll piss right back at ya ;)
2) So IOW tony, if somebody does good, then quixtar has everything to do with it. If they mess up, then it's the individual's own fault, and quixtar has nothing to do with that person's actions.
Tony wrote:
"T> WOW! How many words can mlm fit in my mouth!! I've never said to put quixtar before family! And I NEVER said JD had to "make Quixtar the center of his life"!"
then Tony wrote:
"He could've taken the time to meet the people, gone to a function, got around the team, and supported his wife. But he didn't do that, and now they ALL paid the price."
See the contradiction there tony?
"Hey mlm if you don't wanna go thru that "tit for tat" again then you best stop letting SH!T flow from your lips!! I F#CKING told you I didn't get no GD email from you!!! Now I thought we were cool on that matter and laid it to rest, but if your gonna act like a GD little b!tch about it and bring it back up saying I lied about never getting it, then we can bring Qblog back into it!!
Tony, you gotta have your mouth washed out with soap, and I'll be more than happy to do that on the part of the critbots.
I'll tell you what though, I promise that I will use the Body Series Bar Soap to do the job, and let you get the PV for it - just to show you what a nice guy I really am.
Tony wrote:
"because I'm not a little crybaby candy@ss quitter like you!!"
Well, your half right here tony.
little - no you're definitely not, not at 6'4" and 255 pounds. That kind of bodily enormity is only surpassed by the enormous amount of your stupidity.
quitter - no, you're not that either. You keep coming back onto this board repeating your same idiotic assumptions that get refuted again and again, yet you keep on coming back for more.
crybaby & candyass - Now that definitely fits a description of yourself!
this upsetting you, my poor little tony wony? Remember you always have my phone #.
JD, I followed your story with great interest. Words cant describe how happy I am for you. Congratulations.
Please don't be fooled by Tony!
Britt World Wide is my ex-wife's group.
I have studied all the groups and I'm convinced that BWW is the worst of them all!
BWW is the very group responsible for all the most extreme, deceitful, degrading, down right evil acts that is leading to Quixtar's demise.
Quixtar really isn't the cult. BWW is the cult! Quixtar just does nothing about it and therefore is guilty by association.
Also, my court documents are in the public domain. Anyone can access them, in fact the media followed my case, a reporter sat through most of the days of testimony. I didn't follow up to see why an article was not written (unless I missed it), probably afraid of Quixtar's sue happy, insecure attorney's.
Irregardless there is nothing exposing who I am, she is, our attorney's are, etc. It's possible to figure it out, just not easy. I have nothing to hide, I'm not ashamed; just protecting her and my son from her shame.
I'm doing all of this as a testiment to warn people about the horrible experiences people can expect getting involved with Quixtar. I would like nothing more than to bring Quixtar down. I even considered filing a tort lawsuit against Quixtar and Bill Britt and company on my son's behalf, after my judge agreed to my arguments (his actual final ruling transcripts show his disgust with the whole thing). People have sued for less damaging things and won. I'd love to expose them and bring them down.
To the quixbot trio of tony, mc & michael:
Why don't the 3 of you put your brainwashed heads together and think of a joint apology that yous' can give Jonas' Dad for your rude behavior towards him regarding the sensitive situation that he's involved with.
Do that, and yous' may be able to regain some of your collective dignities, and save face towards the others here on this board.
Tony> Don, I have to go to these either I choose to. Btw, what was your weak@ss argument, I have more important things to do than scroll thru the mounds of crap on this site. Better yet, just email me at tonyqibo@yahoo.com
DI> OK disregarding the nonsensical first sentence... Everyone knows that when you can't handle an argument, you just ignore it! Nice try again, Tony baloney. Just 'cause you're such a lazy b@stard, I'll give you the link, but your pudgy little fingers will have to scroll down all by themselves. http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/archives/2005/08/its_quixtar_you_idiots.php#comments
And post the response in another thread. It's irrelevant here.
Now go enjoy your nightowls...I'll be having Cuba Libres on South Beach and laughing at your sorry ass.
First off MLMscam,
I wasn't threatening you dude, so chill out.
Secondly, how did I offend Jona's dad? I congradulated him for getting his son!
All I asked JD was if there would be any ramifications if his ex wife ever came across this blog or his blog? I was truly wanting to know. I just don't want to see the dude get slapped with a defamation of character lawsuit. If there ever was an apology needed I would be the first to give one...
JD I hope things are well with you and Jonas...Congrats again dude!
MLMscam,
Also, if you want an apology I'll apologize for tony's idiotic nonsense ramblings. just how many exclamation points do you need to emphasize a point?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!!?!?
Michael
Defamation suits are born out of lies. These are not lies my friend.
The funny part is, she doesn't even own a computer. Ironic, that an Independent Business Owner of an "internet company" can't even afford a computer. It's a joke, I bet there are several IBOs who can't even afford a computer.
I've told her and her boyfriend that they are all over the anti-quixtar forums. I'm not sure they looked into it. Frankly, I don't care. Their names are not mentioned and the accounts are all true, so what do I have to fear. Again I'm not ashamed, I'm a victim of the scam and cult.
I would like to offer some honest heart felt advice for Tony, Michael, and all other pro-quixtar people.
When my ex left me, and tried to get me to give my un-born child up for adoption, I became distraught. She had twisted everything into making me feel as if it was all my fault. You know what I did? You should do the same.
Go see a therapist. Seriously. I was a victim of a really, really bad situation. And, I humbled myself and saw a therapist to help me understand all the outside forces that were causing my distress.
I know the word "cult" is a negative term. You guys are seriously involved in what my expert discribed in court testimony as an "authoritarian group" or a ....oh, I can't remember the other term, but seriously, these motivational groups are exercising control over your minds for their own financial gain. They need you and people like you that are vulnerable for what ever reason, to survive financially.
Go seek out an expert. I'm not kidding. This is serious. My attorney and the judge were skeptical at first, but I spent thousands of dollars on experts to speak to them and testify that this cult stuff is for real and they were convinced, these are really smart people who jobs are to judge truth from lies. (I can't wait to post the transcripts!)
That is why I put myself out here to help others avoid the devestation that these groups inflict. Do yourself a favor. You have one chance at this experience we call life, don't waste anymore of it doing this. You really are mocked and ridiculed outside your little bubble, come on, do it for yourselves. Do it for those who really care about you, those who have no alterior motives like money and personal gain.
Tony, you pathetic excuse for a human.
Remember this. When you see that you will NEVER succeed at this rinky dink piddley piss business, and when your bank accounts are drained, your friends continue to laugh at you, and you have to restart your life because you were too retarded to see this for what it is. That sound you hear?
It's me laughing at your galactic stupidity and arrogance from exactly wherever it is I want to be, whether it's in the Carribbean, or with my family who also don't worry about money much.
You do nothing but post vulgarities here, because the simple fact of the matter is you got nuthin' in the way of viable arguments. The main difference between you and I is I stopped doing it because I realized what it is. You still don't get it, and stay in. Who's stupid? You are.
You are a little weasel who has no idea about life. You are a self centered puke, so shove your overpriced products right down your wannabe ninja throat and choke.
Do the world a favour.
Mikey, your last post shows how non informed you are. Are you aware that unless protected by a court order that court proceedings are public record?
As far as defamation of character, it has to be a slanderous or untrue statement, the onus of which is on the compaintant to prove.
Thought you were smarter than that.
You folks all need to chill. Seriously.
Chill the hell out.
MLMscam, JD,
Hey I was JUST asking a question for clarification and I am not trying to start arguements.
Just because I ask questions, doesn't mean I am non informed. I asked for clarification, thats all I wanted. I don't know the laws. Just take a friking chill pill guys.
QBlog, you are right, everyone needs to just take a chill pill.
I hope they have 'anger management' classes at the night owls. Tony could use one.
Maybe we could all sing kumbaya.
Speaking of which, I'll repost this one for Poorhouse Tony..........
Poorhouse Tony:
When you get finishing singing "kumbaya" at your midnight (or later) meeting, make sure you give your upline a big hug from me.
Then ask them if you could buy their same system cds from eBay.
Let me know what they say.
I mean, if you are independent, you should be able to buy your 'tools' as you see fit, right?
Tony, just how independent are you in your organization?
Let's see... heroin and cocaine are illegal because...? Anyone? Because they're HARMFUL. They harm the user, the user's family, the community. I'm seeing a lot of harm here, and it traces right back to her involvement in the cult aspects of quaxtar. No, heroin users don't become financially free in three years from it, but you know what? Statistically, to two significant digits, 100% of people involved in quaxtar do not become financially free from that. What does legality have to do with it, anyway? The illegality of those substances hardly slows anyone down getting them. Booze isn't illegal anymore and it can be pretty devastating. Typical T-bot, grabbing hold of something by the wrong end and running to a wildly erroneous or irrelevant conclusion.
And why so sensitive? Going on the (and being so) offensive at the least remark that all may not be peaches and cream in quaxtarland just comes across as huge insecurity. Maybe a subconscious realization that things aren't what they seem. The biggest gay-bashers are the closeted homosexuals in denial.
His group isn't like those others though, is it? Is it? I have no basis to say otherwise, but why would someone who hasn't made any money defend it so, shall we say, "vehemently"? Could it be a personal delusion, or a conscious effort on behalf of the cult to try to discredit the cult idea? There are a lot of symptoms of excessive Koolaid consumption here.
Tony emphasized the family aspect of quixtar with this chilling quote: "Children CAN come to functions!! At the age of 12 they can sit right there next to there (does anyone else hate these grammatical errors?) parents!! Heck my upline Diamond has all 4 kids at functions sometimes! 2 of them like to work the tools or clothing tables." I would suggest that many of the 12-year-olds are gameboyed-up as they "sit" there with their parents. And as for the huckstering--now they're teaching kids how to fleece the flock. Ugh.
If JD had the same situation because of my (or any real) business, my response would be:
"I'm real sorry this happened to you. This is just a business and nothing should come before a family. Give me the name and number of that LOS and I'll find out what people are doing this and I'll make sure the corporation knows and handles such stuff. Such people make it hard for every one and I'm concerned".
Here is what a brainwashed person would say:
"You should have joined this business and spend a lot of money on tapes and products and you should not have done any thing else but.....you did, who could you? You are so responsible for all this. How could you do that?"
And evenly distribute !!!!!!!!!! like even fudge distribution
So what's wrong with these responses? Quixtar is not a cult eh!
Tony that was a list of the kingpins who have gotten divorced, not everyone in Quixtar! The percent is high considering how many kingpins there are.
Tom Payne-Triple Diamond, one of the top five
1st wife committed suicide.
Son committed suicide.
2nd wife died , Tom was not listed as her husband in obituary.
With all the other things that are facts about A/Q why would you trust these people to lead your family!
I don't know. Poor Tony is getting clobbered here once again. Even Pro quixtar IBO Michael is now admitting to Tony's "idiotic nonsense ramblings".
It looks like the guy's all alone to fend for himself now. Maybe I should switch sides and help Tony out a little, despite the fact that he's once again upsetting me to no end. I mean after all, we both do have that irish/italian thing going on.......
NAAH!!! I enjoy being a critic way too much for that scenario to unfold!
Michael don't go to weekly meetings, is not on tools as we know as "standing order" and do phone meeting.
So Tony is the only tool IBO here. Michael is more like a passport guy ;)
Actually Imran,
I am WWDB. ;-)
I would rather see comments that are more relavant to the topic, not rehash old arguements or posts that are completely derogatory toward another individual. If you want to make a comment, thats fine, it's your opinion- but please show a little class and professionalism.
Mikebot:
You are computer nerd -- an IT dork in a world of REAL business people.
It can be tough and cut throat at times; if you can't hack it, then I suggest you leave.
Go back to your "fake" business and your NASCAR memorabilia.
I must disagree with you there DF. To say that Mikebot is a nerd implys that he has intelligence attached to him.
Check out his blog......
He doesn't.
Oh no, he might block me!! Oh no!
Whatever you do, don't try to criticize his twisting of words and backward thinking, nor lack of results in his (ha ha) business.
PS, class and professionalism also involves not bothering people who paid THEIR money to attend a boat show with a nonsensical business.
Don't try to take the moral high road here, Pedro, we know too much about you already.
If an opinion is correct, does that make it rude? What about how some of your (snort) "leaders" criticize preople who are hard working productive members of society? Laughing about how they are all losers who work for someone else?
You're one of those losers that work for a living. You think that's a classy statement?
Get real, Michael. I know it's a tall order for you, but do try.
Rocket,
I have yet to call anyone a broke loser. I really don't condone anyone calling people names, it just shows your immaturity, unprofessionalism, and low self esteem.
Please show me where I "twisted" your words- oh right, I posted the obvious. I took your suggestions. again I ask how am I twisting your words?
You told me to start asking prospects why they don't want to join- so I am. Thats NOT twisting your words dude. Thats taking your advice. You were TRYING to twist my words around, but failed! You even begged to be on one of my conference calls- now thats really pathetic!
And NO I won't be getting back on the "tools" system scam anytime soon rocket, but thanks for the advice anyways!
Guys, please take a chill pill, go on vacation, get a lap dance somewhere, do SOMETHING more constructive with your free time. If you want more credibility, I suggest to quit going on the attack all the time...
Rocket,
One other question,
How come you were avoiding David Robison's responses on my blog? You have yet to answer his comments. Would you like to see them again?
Michael, ur blog. Remember out first exchange? How mad you were discovering my blog?
Just refreshing your memory.
Here it is:
http://tinyurl.com/9a34x
"The only one you can blame if quixtar doesnt work is yourself. Look, life is short, if quixtar or anything else bothers you, then quit thinking about it- plain and simple. If it bothers you to the point that you need to blog about it on a daily basis- seek counseling. I'm not mad at the anti Quixtar people, I just think you are going about it the wrong way thats all. I compare anti Q people to the anti bush campaign last year. They have the same sayings, this sucks and that sucks, but they havent given me any concrete alternatives. I almost voted for Kerry, he was finally figuring that out before it was too late. You just end up sounding like a broken record over and over again that eventually everyone tunes out."
Imran,
Thats nice, but please quote me word for word where I called you guys a broke loser.
Just because we have opposing views, doesn't mean you have to be violent and derogatory. Can you understand why people refer to this blog as the bathroom walls of society? Look, I refer prospects to this blog. Check out the comments, do your due diligence. If its not for you, thats fine.
One prospect even asked me, why is there alot of bickering on this website? it seems rather childish. I told them the truth. I understand why you hate IBO's in general, sure, but you don't have to attack an indivividual IBO's intelligence just because he's an IBO. That's just lame. Imran, even you have been quoted that you do learn stuff from IBO's.
Remember Jen?
Honestly, don't you think some of you guys are totally out of line in your comments? Sheesh, get a grip people. Life's too damn short.
Imran, and all you other critics, I honestly have nothing personal against you- you have your opinions, I have mine.
Michael> doesn't mean you have to be violent and derogatory.
Imran> You are saying it to me quite some time now. Does that mean I have been violent and derogatory?
I have spoken other wise, haven't I? e.g. the problem I had with the word 'bot'?
Hmm, you completely confused me with either Df or some other IBO hating freak.
Mikey> I understand why you hate IBO's in general, sure, but you don't have to attack an indivividual IBO's intelligence just because he's an IBO.
Imran> you are assuming. I don't hate IBO. I never attacked any one's intelligence. Whatever that is.
Mikey> That's just lame. Imran, even you have been quoted that you do learn stuff from IBO's.
Imran> I sure did. I do back up with numbers, don't I ;)
Mikey> Remember Jen?
Imran> She was trying to teach us how to pick our noses
Mikey> Honestly, don't you think some of you guys are totally out of line in your comments?
Imran>Uh...Didn't I have a 'racist' argument going against the name calling?
And I gave the link to ur blog. Folks can read it all.
Just remember what Garry and Lisa Sadden are so famous for saying:
"There are many different ways to define ethics!"
"Why would you question us like that, don't you understand that we love you. Don't you love us as much as we love you".
Garry is the man.
"How come you were avoiding David Robison's responses on my blog? You have yet to answer his comments."
Haven't seen any comments from DR. How long ago was it?
You are making the mistake of thinking I actually spend a lot of time on your blog. I usually have a quick glance at some quasi-inspiring piece of literature that you are passing on or else talking about how easy it is to succeed in Quixtar. I believe you still have a job, no? Can't be that easy.
Go ahead, let me know what I haven't answered. As far as begging, I just asked, here's the link for anyone interested.
http://instantfranchise.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2005/8/11/1129271.html
My "begging" is the last post. You talk about credibility Mike-Bot, looks like you don't protect your credibility much. It's pretty clear you've lied, since you'd be hard pressed to convince anyone that what I wrote constitutes begging.
I think you do tend to embellish your position, Mike-Bot, since I asked once, and never got a response. this is likely the only way to increase your hits on your blog, Hope QBlog doesn't mind.
Now everyone can see how much stock to put in what you type, zombie.
Rocket,
If you don't like it, don't read it. It's that simple. The fact of the matter is when I DO respond to you, you sit there and WHINE and CRY that I "twisted" your words around- booo hoo. Such childish behavior there rocket.
Mikebot:
I've been so focused on Poorhouse Tony, that I forgot all about you!
Ooohhh noooo!
So, how have you been? Have you sold any of your old NASCAR memorabilia inventory? Have you made big money in AMQuix?
Nope? Still broke from bad business decisions? Okay.
Well, that should do it for awhile. Let me know if you even come close to even the shadow of success.
MC> jd contributed to the tearing apart of his marriage. his newly wed wife wanted to try making extra money thru a legal and legitimate business. even if he didn't want to do it, he could have at least supported her on it. he could have just gone with her to be with her, for crying out loud they were newly weds!! he should've been wanting to spend time with her
Joe> So if his wife wanted to open up a porn shop he should also be supportive because that is also a legal and legitimate business?
I was wondering when you'd refer to JD, QBlog.
What appears to have happened here was an IBO was put in the position to have to deal with life in the real world, not some magical happy land where everything is OK, no matter what, as long as you commit to the system.
The problem in Quixtar/Amway is that the non association with people outside the business is really bad for people. I mean real bad.
Someone looked at it objectively and found that this was not a good environment, despite the great attitude and association with successful people.
Go figure. A Wal-Mart employee is a better role model for a child then Quixtar people.
I do not profess to know everything about the situation, but the judge who made the ruling probably does. In fact, he knows everything about the situation that both Jonas' dad and mom wanted him to know.
All you Ambots out there, is the judge wrong too? Is everyone who's not in Quixtar wrong?
In Canada, it's also a rarity for the dad to win custody. I'm curious, and I have yet to download the entire ruling (stupid dial up) but what will Jonas' mom have to pay for child support? What will they base her income off of?
That would be interesting also. If she's like any other Bot, she probably won't be able to afford to pay attention.
Posted by: rocket | August 25, 2005 9:04 PM