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August 12, 2005
It's QUIXTAR You Idiots!
By QBlog in Miscellaneous
A regional manhunt ended Wednesday when the fugitive couple, Jennifer and George Hyatte, were captured by authorities after a cab driver tipped off police. CNN reports that Mike Wagers didn't believe his fares' claims of being Amway distributors and grew suspicious.
Wagers said he had doubts about the Hyattes' story because they "just didn't fit the type."
"They didn't strike me as the Amway type because to be honest they weren't very pushy about their product and I've dealt with them before so -- that was my only real suspicion," Wagers said.
Wagers may have encountered pushy Amway distributors in the past but not since 1999 unless he's been driving cabs in Asia. For as we all know, Quixtar replaced Amway in the U.S. over five years ago. D'oh!
Comments
this just shows that Amway, I mean Quixtar succeded in pulling the wool over the general public's eyes by changin their name. Now people don't readily look at the two in the same light anymore. Perhaps someday it will become common knowledge, but who knows.
This is a HUGE black eye for the AmQuix folks. I am surprised (not really) that the ambots aren't responding here.
So I guess the whole e-commerce justification is kaput. And I guess that the Model T vs. Mustang analogy has to be invalid now too.
It is a name change to escape a stigma.
That's all.
Oh, and it isn't working....
Is that how these motivational organizations get away with saying it's NOT Amway? Just because of the name change? I heard it said a thousand times in TEAM that this is not Amway...is that legal?
I was never in Amway. And I'm not pushy. Sorry this cab driver had a bad experience with pushy Amway people.
I think thats another thing that makes Quixtar different, being pushy and overbearing is realy frowned upon. There are pushy people in all kinds of industries, and all kinds of companies, there are probably still pushy IBO's, but i'm not adding to that stigma and most IBOs I know aren't that way either.
But what one person calls 'pushy' might be different from another. One guy might be very thankful for the opportunity, while someone else would call the very same IBO pushy for saying the very samething.
"I think thats another thing that makes Quixtar different, being pushy and overbearing is realy frowned upon."
LOL.
These aren't the first Amway killers, either.
The infamous serial killer "The Green River Killer" was an Amway fanatic, too.
http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/148496
Luckily, Amway helped him curb his appetite for murder:
"Ridgway's killings slowed after 1985, when he met his third wife, Judith. He told Reichert she was the most stable thing in his life.
About the time he met Judith, he also began going to church and selling Amway products.
'You had to care about people, you know,' Ridgway said. 'That was in one of the books and some of her seminars we went to. When you start caring about people, ... it helps in your business. '
'I started caring about the prostitutes. I started caring about the woman I was going with and ... plus the scare of the Green River Task Force coming down on me.'"
You might not make Diamond, but if you are a serial killer - and you're trying to kick the habit - perhaps Amway/Quixtar is for you!
Source for the Ridgway quote, BTW:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001854480_ridgway10m.html
Is that supposed to be an insult lawdawg?? You mean the principles, and lessons taught thru some of our books & seminars got a killer to turn his life around? And this is a bad thing? What do you think it could do for the average person then, who has a 'little less' to overcome?
What if he had just gone to church by the suggestion of a Psychologist, and turned his life around? Would that be black mark on churches?
Or what if he had just gone to counseling for help? You act as is we should be ashamed that books and seminars help this guy get his life right!
And didn't you even read the 1st article, that couple in Columbus was using that 'conference story' as a cover up. They weren't IBO's!
You're a real piece of work!
Tony, you slay me!
Great comeback. I'm overwhelmed by your articulate, rock hard rebuttle.
Thanks.
Lighten up, Tony. I know it's frustrating being on the Quixtar treadmill, but take it easy and enjoy a joke every once in a while.
Isn't it funny how upline supposedly leads people to God, yet if asked whether to attend a church function or a quixtar function, the response will be to never miss a quixtar function
Oh gimme a break lawdawg. You loved it when you found out a serial killer joined Amway and got reformed! Oh the fun you could have with that! I mean thats just embarrassing, right? A serial killer in the business!! But then when I put it in a different light and you didn't have anything worthwhile to say, suddenly your normally indepth, fact-filled responses got unusually short with "LOL" and "You slay me".
That's cool lawdawg, I'm hang loose, I can take a joke, just remember that when you make some argument and one of us IBOs come back with "you slay me" or "haha, come on lighten up".
And come on Joe, you should skip a function to play bingo? Or go to the local parish fish fry?? A weekend function in my opinion is more important. And we hold an optional church service on Sunday, so it be silly to skip a function to go to mass on Sunday. You can go to your church on Sunday the other 48 weeks of the year, or play bingo any other Friday night, the weekend functions only come around once every few months.
But if you want to go to a fish fry or a church festival versus going to a weekend function, thats cool. I just wouldn't do it too often.
Tony, still waiting to see if you are all talk. I asked you earlier:
How wide are you? How deep is your biggest Leg? How many Clients and Members do you have?
Just trying to see if YOU are building this business, or just talking about it.
Tony, the non-denominational service done by one of the diamonds on Sunday at a function is a joke. And I'm not only talking about a church function. I mean maybe these days the upline has lightened up but back in 1997-1998, I remember Brad Wolgamott telling people to quit their jobs if the boss wouldn't give them time off for a function.
Also, it's not just church. You would be expected to skip a relative's funeral, reschedule your own wedding, reschedule your kid's birthday party, whatever.
We were taught
God #1
Spouse #2
Family#3
Job #4
Amway#5
Skipping a fishy fry at church may seem insignificant to you, but that it still putting the business ahead of God isn't it?
Isn't it funny how they tell you not to worry about church stuff as much but yet they hold worship functions at weekend seminars and suggest people try to give huge tithes to the speaker or to an organization they have passed out envelopes for. That's why they don't want you to attend church stuff, they want a much of a person that they can get hold of. And when they are in it, they just can't always see the reality.
Hey Tony, wanna know what else our upline taught us?
Buy 5-7 extra tapes in addition to standing order.
If your downline quits, you buy that standing order too.
Go to church. When I asked my upline what church he attended, he said he couldn't find one yet.
Skip a meal if you need an extra $6 to buy a tape.
Dump your girlfriend, you can find a new one after you go diamond.
This is actual stuff that my upline advised me on. And I'm not the only one. This is what WWDB taught back in the late 90's.
Tony, seriously, ease up on the coffee, dude.
BTW, I didn't read your rant.
I rarely do.
I assume it's more of the usual.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Thanks.
From IBO Tony of Quixtar, "I was never in Amway."
By the same rational I could say I was never in the military, but I was in the Navy!
A rose by any other name, is still a rose. In this case its more like a stinkweed though.
Tony> "being pushy and overbearing is realy frowned upon."
LOL, man that one made me laugh coffee out my nose, holy cow Tony your living in a whole other world man! Glad you can put those blinders on and whistle through the day.
If it is frowned upon, most of those frowns get turned upside down in actual practice!
8 wide, 4 deep, 5-6 m/c more coming soon (bar/restaurants)
Never had an upline told me to quit my job. We're taught to not be double-minded, to work your job as hard as you work your business. Be a valued employee! We're told its hard to build the business if you get fired and are out of work, so to protect your job.
Also I was never told to skip a funeral. Now I may skip a 3rd cousins wedding, but not a loved ones funeral. Not to mention, even if I was told I should skip a funeral, its MY gd call!! My upline isn't my boss! I've had family events my upline may have thought I would miss, but I went to anyways, guess what, he still eats lunch with me, he still mentors me. I'm sorry you had an @sshole for an upline, I guess many Diamonds have lightened up, I guess things have changed in the last 9 years.
Also, my parents were never IBOs, and I Rarely ever celebrated my birthday ON my birthday! It was always when it was convenient and usually done as a 'co-birthday' with siblings or cousins.
And skipping a fish fry is NOT putting the business before God! Give me a break. You can call the Sunday service a joke, its not. Do you think it has to be in a building with Stain glass to be church? Church is 'where 2 or more gather in His name'.
Lisa, I ve never been told to tithe to a speaker! They may offer up a collection to a certain ministry, and if I feel like its worthy, I'll donate some money. There's nothing wrong with that. Now if the collection is to stop gay marriage, I'm not gonna donate to that, because I don't have a problem with same sex unions, though most conservative people in the business probably do.
I AM in reality, I'm not brainwashed, I just don't reach into my pocket and give all I have to whatever group they're supporting. Maybe You were brainwashed, so you assume everyone is. I'm not. Get over it.
Joe18> Hey Tony, wanna know what else our upline taught us?
Buy 5-7 extra tapes in addition to standing order.
T> every week? that nuts! I've NEVER been told to do that!
J> If your downline quits, you buy that standing order too.
T> Nope, never been told that either! If they quit thats 1 less tape to order.
J> Go to church. When I asked my upline what church he attended, he said he couldn't find one yet.
T> I have my own church, and so do my upline, they've never told me to go to theirs. Sorry your upline wasn't more like mine.
J> Skip a meal if you need an extra $6 to buy a tape.
T> never been told this either, do you realize, you don't have to take their advice?? Just checking.
J> Dump your girlfriend, you can find a new one after you go diamond.
T>once again, never told to do this. We teach if a spouse or girlfriend, isn't supportive, don't force anything on them, build it without them, they'll eventually come around. Seen it happen with my sponsors girlfiend, and crossline. If they never come around, oh well, your allowed to build it alone by yourself and keep all the money!
Maybe thats how WWDB did it in the 90's, but I'm in BWW, Markiewicz team, and I love where I'm at. My upline treat me like an adult, thay may give suggestions on what to do, but they don't tell me, or threaten me, or ignore me! This is YOUR business, your upline is just there to help you, they don't have to be another boss! mine aren't
Dawson, the Navy has always been part of 'the military' - Quixtar and Amway are sister companies both own by Alitcor. They have they're distinct differences, such as methods of purchasing, the way checks are paid, the way products are received, the Partners Stores, etc.
You're right though, I am living in a whole other world - I'm living in 2005 in a 'Quixtar world' - and many of you Critbots are living in a 1985/Amway world. It times to wake up and move on.
Sorry this wasn't for you, sorry you still have bitter feelings, sorry you can't see the changes, and had such crappy business mentors. I guess I should consider myself lucky I didn't get all the bad advise you guys did?
lawdawg, I didn't read your rant either - thats why I'm responding to it! :P lol
Tony wrote:
"I think thats another thing that makes Quixtar different, being pushy and overbearing is realy frowned upon. There are pushy people in all kinds of industries, and all kinds of companies, there are probably still pushy IBO's, but i'm not adding to that stigma and most IBOs I know aren't that way either."
Perhaps nobody else on these main blog threads has been more at odds with Tony - both discussing business principles as well as personally - than myself. But I do have to agree to a very large extent with these remarks that he made above.
I remember back in my old amway days, distributors then were EXTREMELY PUSHY, to the extent that I have personally witnessed as well as experienced bad words being exchanged, and fist fights almost breaking out, between Amway distributors and their friends/family, their prospects, or even other amway distributors (I almost got into a few physical altercations myself). And from what I heard, it was even worse from before I even joined back in 1997.
Before quixtar and the internet, much more emphasis was placed on individual one on one meetings and group meetings, where the potential for hostile disagreements was greater, which led to a greater chance for combatative instances to result - both verbally & physically, especially since the plan showings were at least twice as long as they are now. Back then, prospecting was also more personal, which also resulted in more harder feelings being created between the amway distributor and the victim, er...I mean prospect.
With today's quixtar business, there is more of an emphasis placed on fast plan showings, graphs, charts, impersonal emails, mass communication & advertising (just send people you know to the quixtar website, that will get them in automatically!) etc.; where the underlying theme seems to be "Are you interested, great! - if not, NEXT!" without as much of the character judging that used to go on in the old amway days.
Looks like more of the usual.
Are you ready to write "Chapter 2" Tony?
Ironically mlm' - it's probably you that I have the most in common with on here, as far as personality and background. I know we've had our disagreements, and our recent miscommunicaton on 'who called out who', (and we both stood our ground to the challenge.)
We may disagree on certain aspects of this business, but I do respect you for your post above, even though you still managed to throw in a few digs, but your witty sense of humor is one thing I like about you.
I just wanted to thank you for being big enough to be objective about what the attitude of the business is like now. Its not to be pushy, overbearing, judgemental, or rude. It's just checking interest, and saying next, just like you said.
Of my friends who said, 'no thanks', or 'I'll wait to see how you do' - I did not condemn Any of them, and I'm still friends with them all, same with family. I think this stigma of 'pushy' will eventually fade. And I thank you for being objective, and agreeing with me on this.
I apologize for my part in letting our previous 'discussion' escalate to the point it did. I'd say it was the Irish/Italian in us, but I'd hate to stereotype! ;) I do think overall you're probably a pretty good guy, we just have some disagreements when it comes to this. But I appreciate your objective input, and I'm taking what I learn here to make things better.
Perhaps more of you critics should actually start cheering me on? 'Tonybot' may actually be the one who makes it big and makes things better- I really see the team I'm on as doing that.
Heck, maybe some of you may be ON my team oneday... we'll let's not get carried away!! ;)
Thanks again mlm' - take care!
Tony wrote:
"Quixtar and Amway are sister companies both own by Alitcor."
Yes and No.
"Yes" in that sense that Quixtar services North America (excluding Mexico) and is a sister company to each of the other "Amway" named companies that services the rest of the world.
"No" in the sense that it is a lie to say that "Quixtar" never had anything to do with "Amway". Quixtar was formerly Amway - Amway North America, prior to the name change back on 9/1/99 when Amway North America (excluding Mexico) went to e-commerce on the internet and became Quixtar Corp. Just like there is Amway Ireland, Amway Greece, Amway Norway, Amway France, Amway Italy etc., the United States & Canada used to be "Amway North America" - and operated just like any other global division of Amway worldwide ltd; which itself is a subsidiary of Alticor Corp.
T> "...its MY gd call!!..."
T> ...
T> "...@sshole..."
Tonyman! You're supposed to drop words and language like this once you're in the business! Your front-line (8-wide, right?) will be duplicating you on this now.
But we are a forgiving crowd, so to atone for these sins you need to do: 5 Hail Maries and 10 Our Fathers... Oops! I meant go buy 5 extra SOTs this week and read another 10 minutes each night.
dj, no see there you go again making assumptions of what this business is and isn't. I can think and speak for myself thank you...
And I have no problem with my 8 frontline calling it like they see it. If they wanna call some critbot a gd @sshole, well then by all means they should call that critbot a gd @sshole! :)
Thanks for mocking my religion, along with the business... but a forgiving crowd you are not. 'Forgiving crowd' would be getting over the bad advise you got from an upline, or being called a loser by some overbearing ambot. What we 'Mainly' have here are.... well you can use your imagination.
So how were those 4 months in the business, did you ever make it to a function. Did cutting checks to your downline confuse you? Oh, were you even in the business? Or are you just some POS critbot who thinks he's knows something about this because he reads what other people write.
If you were an IBO, and had a bad experience, I suggest you stand up brush the sand out of/ or off yourself, and get on with your life. You obviously don't care to be part of any solution.
ps. did you mean "go buy 5 extra TAPES this week"' - cause there's only 1 SOT a week, I'd have thought a Quixtar-knowlegdable person like you would know that. :P Have a nice weekend!
Tony>And skipping a fish fry is NOT putting the business before God! Give me a break. You can call the Sunday service a joke, its not. Do you think it has to be in a building with Stain glass to be church? Church is 'where 2 or more gather in His name'.
J> Skipping a church event in place of a quixtar function is putting the business first isn't it?
I didn't say church has to be in the crystal cathedral to be valid. My church started out having services under a tree at a beach. The diamonds are a joke doing the preaching. They quote things out of context that aren't true, such as amway/quixtar is a God pleasing business.
Quite the contrary, in Timothy, is says men of corrupt minds have been robbed of the truth when they see Godliness as a means to financial gain. It also says that love of money is the root of many evils. The quixtar opportunity is shown as a way to collect a lot of material things isn't it? That's why the diamonds say things like 98% of people will be dead or broke at 65. They want people to think this is true, and that quixtar is their only hope to avoid that situation.
C'mon Tony, the quixtar diamonds on stage have more holes in their stories than an extra large piece of swiss cheese.
Tony>And skipping a fish fry is NOT putting the business before God! Give me a break. You can call the Sunday service a joke, its not. Do you think it has to be in a building with Stain glass to be church? Church is 'where 2 or more gather in His name'.
Joecool: Tony, did you learn that from a diamond or a tape/CD? Even your quote about church is wrong.
In the book of Matthew, Jesus says whenever two or three people gather in my name, there I am with you. (I believe he is referring to people in prayer)
Tony:
Danzik.wwdb.biz
Howie and Theresa had each built their business to Diamond as singles; Theresa in Hawaii and Howie in Colorado. When they got married, it marked the first time in Quixtar’s history that two Diamonds were married.
Before starting the business, Howie spent 8 years getting two Bachelors’ and a Master’s degree in physical therapy.
Joecool> Hey Tony, before Howie got into the business, his wife worked and supported him while he was in college. They then built the business to diamond.
I'd say this was a lie, don't you???
Tony won't answer this one I suspect.
Tony, if your upline is giving you the advice you say they are (or not giving you the bad advice most of got) then you are in the minority. My platinum had to be the most hardcore choleric personality I have ever met outside of my drill sergeants in boot camp (Army). If we didn't do things the way HE wanted them done (and believe me he had strict rules) we got no support. Period.
I have a disease the prevents me from eating anything with grain, it will kill me if I eat this stuff. He thought I was using that as an excuse not not buy meal replacement bars and such and told me I could eat them now and eat all of the grain free food I wanted later. Nice- I would have been dead. He thought I was lying about it because I wasn't diagnosed with it until after we got into the biz. We were told to skip meals to pay for things or skip a car payment to go to a function.
I'm glad your upline is so understanding but not everyones is and to call everyone with a complaint a Critbot is judgemental in a way that isn't fair. We have real reasons to be critical to those who bilked us out of a lot of money.
Paul barnardo was in amway too. Serial rapist / killer. Utilized those skill to seduce young women.
His wife Carla is out now. You should prospect them.
http://www.allserialkillers.com/karla_homolka.htm
Joe, i did answer your post about Howie, in the topic that we were discussing it. Not sure why you double posted it here?
Also, you are one of the many who only see the money. The business is more than about money and material things. We don't teach people to love $$ or to put it above God. Just because we talk about $ and material things doesn't mean thats all we value! Why do you go to work? You do it for money! So that you can do things and have things and provide for your family.
I gaurantee you Diamonds make fewer decisions based on money than you do. People who are struggling think that people with money must think about it all the time! But thats not true...Money is like air, you only think about it when you don't have enough.
Church is where people gather together to pray and give praise, and thats what happens on Sundays at the church service. Call it a joke if you want, I know its not. The bigger pins simply share from the heart and read some scripture. They don't say "the Bible says Qx is good!!" But I do think this is a very Christian-based group, at least BWW is, and that alot of good is done because of it.
Sheep, my upline is not as rare as you think. I think your 'choleric @ss of an upline' is much more of the exception. And this is from my interaction will IBOs from 5 different Opens in 4 different states! But I'll agree my team is very fortunate for our leadership, and we're growing. Joe M will be a Double Diamond at FED in 2 weeks! We're setting the standard. People like your upline are the ones losing people and fading away.
And not all critics are critbots. i've explained that several times before. But people who generalize all IBOs together and twist numbers and say bad things about good products, or talk about 'so and so filed a restraining order', etc. are critbots. The ones who are just so negative they won't even listen to valid points.
Or the ones who weren't ever involved but like to repeat things they've heard, or just just think mlm is a scam. So don't be offended unless you fall into 1 of those categories.
You should have tranfered to a different team if your upline was that big of a pr!ck! I doubt he's doing very good now, or will be for very long. You build strong teams by building friendships. Not by making people fear you. Its the same as good managers or good leaders in any arena. And thats the truth!
Tony> You should have tranfered to a different team if your upline was that big of a pr!ck!
Imran> How? u can't until 6 months, and can't get ur downline for 2 years. It's not possible to change upline is it?
Tony> I doubt he's doing very good now, or will be for very long. You build strong teams by building friendships. Not by making people fear you. Its the same as good managers or good leaders in any arena. And thats the truth!
Imran> Is it? Dexter Yager's team is big right? He insults downline women pretty much. He pinched a female employee of Alticor and got her fired when she sued.
By making people fear you is how it works Tony. If your diamond is no good to kingpin, remember, tool money is optional!
Tony> Also, you are one of the many who only see the money. The business is more than about money and material things.
Joe? Yep Tony, that's what our upline taught people who were in the business and not making money. When we were being recruited, it was all about financial freedom, residual income, and being able to walk away from our J-O-B.
Tony> I gaurantee you Diamonds make fewer decisions based on money than you do. People who are struggling think that people with money must think about it all the time! But thats not true...Money is like air, you only think about it when you don't have enough.
Joe> Wow Tony, they still teach that? Seriously, the diamonds who did monthly seminars all taught this when I was in the business. Frankly, I think the diamonds think about their downline's money quite often. That's why there's an emphasis on tapes books seminars and doing as much PV as possible.
Tony> Church is where people gather together to pray and give praise, and thats what happens on Sundays at the church service. Call it a joke if you want, I know its not. The bigger pins simply share from the heart and read some scripture. They don't say "the Bible says Qx is good!!" But I do think this is a very Christian-based group, at least BWW is, and that alot of good is done because of it.
Joe> Tony, I've been to an FED where bill brit said that amway is a god pleasing business. BWW may be a Chirstian group but what good comes out of it? Do these kingpins give 10%? If so, how do you know? Do you? What good can be done when your groups are always doing meetings while church members are doing actual ministry? When I was in the business, I was too busy to volunteer with the church and I didn't have much discretionary money since amway was draining most of it. I am now a bible study pastor (Yes Tony, that's why I can say some of the services done by the diamonds are ajoke). I volunteer my time to help the church and community and I tithe and give offerings to the church. I do all of this with income from my J-O-B.
Poorhouse Tony> Perhaps more of you critics should actually start cheering me on? 'Tonybot' may actually be the one who makes it big and makes things better- I really see the team I'm on as doing that.
Heck, maybe some of you may be ON my team oneday... we'll let's not get carried away!! ;)
OK, now Tony has ME laughing...and that's not easy.
I will NEVER join any sort of mlm, especially one that has caused so much hurt to so many families.
Poorhouse Tony, keep chugging that koolaid. Wayching yoyr demise over the next few years is going to be better than reality tv !!!!!
Watch the videos of the reporters interviewing the cabby. Just at the mention of Amway and the behavior of Amway distributors they can't help but start cracking up on camera.
That's because of decades of people who act and talk like Tony, Em and michael.
Watch those guys laugh just at the mention of the company's name. That what the real world thinks of Amway/Quixtar.
See the videos here:
http://www.thechamplainchannel.com/news/4842962/detail.html#
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/11/national/main770239.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories
You know, it's funny. I was looking over this discussion of whether people are compelled to attend "functions" or not, and I thought to myself: In our real business, no one tells me to go to functions. I don't have an "upline" whom I need to perpetually consult for guidance, I don't have "tools" which supposedly help me succeed, and I don't have to go around defending my business and claiming that "it works" to random strangers!
People don't laugh when they talk about my business as those reporters did, no one influences my business decisions, I can advertise, and I don't need to go to Barnes and Noble unless I want to buy a book!
And yet, despite all this, my business is competitive and successful. And while you Quixtar folk will be paying a hundered bucks a pop to listen to some motivational speaker for a day, I will be bringing in the cash without anyone's help. Or, better yet, I'll take that day off.
Is anyone still here?
Tony,
Study theology. Particularly what is called Word-Faith theology. It is a heresy where people are using Christian principles to make and promote money. BWW has been so seeped in this theology for many, many years. To call this quality Christian material is like calling these serial killers wonderful examples of upstanding citizens. I do not have time to develop this one at this moment and will be out of town for a week. I'll tackle it when I get back on one of my blogs. If I forget to, please reminding me.
X
lawdawg wrote:
"Watch the videos of the reporters interviewing the cabby. Just at the mention of Amway and the behavior of Amway distributors they can't help but start cracking up on camera.
That's because of decades of people who act and talk like Tony, Em and michael.
Watch those guys laugh just at the mention of the company's name. That what the real world thinks of Amway/Quixtar."
Unfortunately, the quixtar kingpin scum are laughing even harder - at how many individuals they continue to suck daily into the amquix business, despite all of the truthful information out there on the internet exposing this "opportunity" for the real scam that it is.
mlmscam,
didn't you say before that new ibo's like tony are teaching "check interest, if so great, if not, say next? didn't you say that is the new mentality of ibo's and agree with tony's post on this topic. now you're saying the tony, and michael are the reason that people have this pushy view of amwy?
you sort of sound like a hypocrit, or atleast like someone who doesn't think things thru. i think amway people in the past may have been pushy, but i doubt new ibo's like michael and tony are these types, and 2 days ago you agreed. so what gives? are tony, michael and em pushy ibo's or is the mentality changing to not be pushy or judgmental. i think the old view is going to fade. the younger generation isn't dealing with what the 40-somethings and older did with amway. so which view do you have today?
mc:
Please point out to me where I stated that Tony, Eminem, Michael etc. have the same pushy mentality as the old amway distributors of the past.
Don't try & put words in my mouth. Because if you do, I will spit them out that much harder at the person who is doing the falsifying.
MC:
Welcome to the sight, hope you have a thick skin and some clear ideas:
You said, "... think the old view is going to fade. the younger generation isn't dealing with what the 40-somethings and older did with amway. "
To that I ask-
1. Why is the old view going to fade. The 'old view' seems to be pretty relevant today (see: the cabby example)
2. What does age have to do with it? I see that A/Q is going after young naive folks (liek yourself) that are in college or just out of college -- these people are highly impressionable, well networked, and usually frustrated with the current job conditions.
But age is not a driver of the A/Q business model. There are going to be desperate people looking to build their pyramid regardless of age (or gender, or race..or...)
Interested in hearing your response. You seem to be a fired up little ambot, so it will be interesting to get your take on things.
MC,
I ain't pushy with the business. People either want it or they don't. Love it or hate it, I have my own personal opinions about the business and I choose to express them here. I ain't trying to push anything on anybody, just trying to get the facts right. The critics have their opinions, I have mine- no harm done, just friendly debate.
I for once, agree with DF, I do see the old model fading. This shouldn't be the old school model of the 70's. It's alot like Henry Ford hanging on to the Model A when sales were dropping rapidly.
I just don't understand why the critics are stuck in the 70's.
M> I just don't understand why the critics are stuck in the 70's.
DI> Funny, I wasn't even alive in the 70s. My criticisms are based on my 2005 encounters with my recruiter and his upline, as well conclusions that I have achieved as a result of further research into Quixtar rules, regulations and limitations on IBO activities. If you claim that the critics are stuck in the 70s, then maybe the things that are wrong about AmQuix haven't changed after all.
Don't forget the Amway reference in the movie American President when Michael Douglas is talking about his presidential race challenger (Richard Dreyfuss) just said "I'm Robert Rumson and I'm running for President!" and Michael Douglas comes back (playing Pres. Andrew Sheppard) says, "Sure glad he cleared that up because that crowd was getting ready to buy some Amway products."
It's at 1:15 into the movie.
I think that there may be a grain of truth in the new recruitment method being 'non-pushy'. I think the method is just a little bit more sophisticated.
- So you don't want to join us do you?
- No thank-you.
- Hey, Man. That's cool. No worries. Not everyone is cut out for this business...
I'm sure the tapes (or is it CDs now?) teach other subtle variations of the above thinly-veiled insult.
This is a riot.
The big selling point now is "we don't harrass you as much after you say 'no,' compared to Amway." What does that mean? You only follow a guy around at the boat show for 15 minutes?
While it may be true of michael or Tony (though I doubt it since they persist in making fools of themselves here after they've been told no) it isn't generally true. Quixbots are just as pushy and irritating as Ambots were. Anyone who has one of these creeps in their family or their office knows that once they start listening to the goofy tapes and going to functions, "The Business" replaces their personality. That hasn't changed a lick.
Nevertheless, advertising yourself as "less pushy than Amway" is pretty darn pathetic.
I don't what others' definition of pushy is, but my personal definittion goes as follows: 1) shopping at Target for groceries, minding my own business, and then being approached by a stranger with the line, "Don't I know you from somewhere?" I know that they don't know me, and I noticed that they have followed me up and down every aisle of the store; I tell them no, but they keep on trying to have a conversation with me, even as I am walking hurridly in the opposite direction from them (my quixtar alarm is ringing loud and clear.) They hand me their business card; I take it (it usually has their last name followed by international or enterprises after it and quixtar in very small writing somewhere om the top or bottom) throw it on the ground, and tell them that if they keep following me I will alert store security that they are soliciting (which is not allowed in most of the stores where quixtar people do solicit.) 2) Trying to read a book at Barnes and Noble, obviously not wanting to be disturbed, and being approached by an IBO (do i have a sign somewhere on my head that beckons IBos in my direction?) I think it is pushy when these IBOs go out into the public sphere like face - to - face telemarketers that are damn near impossible to hang up on.
from Buzzard:
"I think that there may be a grain of truth in the new recruitment method being 'non-pushy'. I think the method is just a little bit more sophisticated.
- So you don't want to join us do you?
- No thank-you.
- Hey, Man. That's cool. No worries. Not everyone is cut out for this business...
I'm sure the tapes (or is it CDs now?) teach other subtle variations of the above thinly-veiled insult."
Thank you Buzzard. That's exactly what I was trying to imply.
You're more than welcome MLM.
The more knowledgeable us critbots become, the more sophisticated the Quixtar IBOs need to be with their methods.
Another approach that I recall was:
- Do you know anyone who would be interested in helping out with my new business venture?
- Is this one of those pyramid things? If so, I'm not interested.
- I wasn't asking if you were interested. I was merely asking if you KNEW of any sharp, ambitious people who might be interested in helping me with my distribution business...
Once again, quite a sophisticated technique. You're not asking the prospect directly, but they may say: 'Yes, I'm interested'. A 'No' is then greeted with another thinly veiled insult. A more unsuspecting person may well react by saying 'Well, I consider myself sharp / ambitious. What is it?'
Happy days...
Wow, Mikebot has this all twisted around:
Mikebot>I for once, agree with DF, I do see the old model fading. This shouldn't be the old school model of the 70's. It's alot like Henry Ford hanging on to the Model A when sales were dropping rapidly.
DF>The 'old view' seems to be pretty relevant today (see: the cabby example)
So I am still a good 180 degrees away from you Mikebot. Like Day and Night, Good and Bad, Profit and Loss....
Buzzard/MlMScam -- you guys raise an interesting point on the passive aggressive/jedi-mind tricks.
I've heard the talk of a terrible economy and rising inflation.
When in actuality, we are in anti-inflationary times. And the job outlook is actually pretty good.
Check out the starting salaries for college grads:
2004-05 Starting Salaries for Top Ten Jobs
Accounting: $44,564
Entry-Level Management: $35,811
Teaching: $29,733
Consulting: $49,781
Sales: $37,130
Accounting (Public): $41,039
Financial/Treasury Analysis: $45,596
Software Design & Development: $53,729
Design/Construction Engineering: $47,058
Registered Nurse: $38,775
Source: Spring 2005 Salary Survey, National Association of Colleges and Employers.
All data is for bachelor's degree candidates. Rankings are based on number
Again, I guess this is assuming that your are intelligent enough to finish college and stay away from get-rich-quick schemes.
When I turned down my best friends relative offering the biz, he told me I "wasn't stretching myself far enough to succeed"
This was a guy that I had known for 12+ years. It may not be as pushy as the 70's but who cares! It is still a put down, he was attacking my work ethic/commitment to success, why? Because I didn't want to join the team, I didn't want to indirectly/directly rob others. These tactics are underhanded, manipulative and taught throughout this business. Quix is built on the philosophy of "Hey you don't have to do it, but you really SHOULD do it or your not going to end up so hot."
Its a sad way to control people. Controling people so you can use people, telling them their dreams can be realized so you can then make a few sh!tty bucks off of them, thus allowing the top guys to make alot of bucks off all of you. It's just sad, and I am tired of seeing folks like Tony edify the process. Did I use that word right?
Some of the IBO's say its only a small portion of their ilk that do these things, well you don't have to have your entire head full of tumors to be classified as having cancer. It only takes one small poisonous cluster to ultimately spread and kill an entire organism. I just believe that the corruption in higher levels of this business is fairly complete. So I think that leaves the entire Quix/Am biz as a tumor on ours and others society, and I think its malignant.
So Tony you can take your "hey its isolated incidents" comments and sit on it and spin. Thats all you do with the facts of this business anyway.
I don't disagree that there are some ethical IBO's who are up front in presenting the business plan. However, the stigma of amway/quixtar was built because many people did not disclose information about the business.
I know Tony and some others claim that their upline for the most part is up and up.
However, Tony in one post stated that the business is really not just about the money.
(implying that friendships, etc are important too). (Tony if this is not what you meant, then please feel free to correct it) Anyways, my upline told us the same thing when I was in the business.
They tell you that it's the friendships that count. This is what the business is all about.
My response to that? Really? the business is about friendships? When I was recruited, no one mentioned anything about friendships. I was told that control of time and money was important. You gain cotrol of time and money by being financially free, which you can attain by having residual income. By having residual income and walking away from your J-O-B, you are free. That's whaty I was presented with and from what I gather, it is still being presented today.
IBO's aren't pushy when it comes to recruiting, they are deperate. How else are they going to make money? Most aren't selling the product, because they are taught to buy from yourself and teach others to do the same. So they have to recruit.
As for the old style fading, it will never happen because the old style folks are still in charge, dexter yager, bill britt, the devos and vanandle families who started it are the ones keeping it going
mlm, are you partially retarded or what? i'm putting words in your mouth? did you not say:
mlm> "Watch the videos of the reporters interviewing the cabby. Just at the mention of Amway and the behavior of Amway distributors they can't help but start cracking up on camera.
That's because of decades of people who act and talk like Tony, Em and michael."
mc> so what are you smoking dude, how did you forget saying that when it was in your previous message. how were we supposed to take that?
df> 1. Why is the old view going to fade. The 'old view' seems to be pretty relevant today (see: the cabby example)
mc> (no need to welcome me df, i've posted here before)
now... you must be a complete moron too! the old view is going to fade because ibo's are stressing now, not to be pushy or judgmental! its just "hey you looking", "cool", or "next!" the cabby example proves my point! you think that cabby was 25? no, he was at least 35, maybe 40! he was even calling it "amway"...he has the old school view! most 25 year olds don't even know what amway is. and their contact with ibo's is probably not that of most peoples' experiences in the 70's/80's. get my drift yet?
so what does age have to do with it... i think I just explained that. when the people of the amway era are gone, that stigma will be gone to. because the attitude of new ibo's is different. it's stressed not to be pushy or overbearing, just to check interest, and then help or move on. not to put down and alienate people who say no!!
larsen, just want to point out your movie example (american president) was from a decade ago! half of today's ibo's weren't even teenagers! making sense yet?
dawson, while a small tumor may spread, the same analogy doesn't work with the business. if the new mentality is to overcome the old stigma, and to be polite, just offering an opportunity, if they're not interested you move on... if thats the new mentality those little cancerous pushy pricks are gonna have a hard time sponsoring people or building a team environment. and just so you know, I talk about that in the plan, about the unity, and the teamwork, and how much fun we have, about it not being a 2nd job! if you make it a 2nd job, it would suck! when you make it fun, it IS fun!
MC:
If you don't like "American President" how about "Garden State" from last year? Or "Go" from three years ago? Or "About Schmidt? All recent movies and all still reflecting that the public thinks your cult is a joke.
Hey mc, I want to guess your birth sign.
You're a taurus, are you not?
MC-bot> I talk about that in the plan, about the unity, and the teamwork, and how much fun we have, about it not being a 2nd job! if you make it a 2nd job, it would suck! when you make it fun, it IS fun!
Driving all over the state/country showing the plan and attending seminars IS fun.
I LIKE not getting any sleep.
I ENJOY selling out my friends and family.
I SAVOR the taste of XS and Glister products.....
Oh come on!
How about this:
1. Go to school and pick an honorable profession -- one that you have an interest in.
2. Actively pursue employment at a firm that can meet yor personal and professional objectives.
3. Go to work in a field that you are interested in (see: 1) at a company that fits your profile (see: 2).
Then work REALLY will be FUN.
Doesn't that sound better than faking the fun until the fun really happens.
MC, don't fake it until you make it. Make it so you don't have to fake it!
from my very observant friend mc:
"mlm, are you partially retarded or what? i'm putting words in your mouth? did you not say:
mlm> "Watch the videos of the reporters interviewing the cabby. Just at the mention of Amway and the behavior of Amway distributors they can't help but start cracking up on camera.
That's because of decades of people who act and talk like Tony, Em and michael.""
Here is that original posting, mc. I copied & pasted it in its entirety. Please note who the author of the post was:
Watch the videos of the reporters interviewing the cabby. Just at the mention of Amway and the behavior of Amway distributors they can't help but start cracking up on camera.
That's because of decades of people who act and talk like Tony, Em and michael.
Watch those guys laugh just at the mention of the company's name. That what the real world thinks of Amway/Quixtar.
Posted by: lawDawg at August 13, 2005 02:33 PM
Unless you think lawDawg and I are one and the same person, you are once again mistaken.
Oh, and I take that remark back that I made about you not being very bright, mc.
I forgot, it's easy to have your senses dulled when you're drinking large amounts of kool-aid, being that I'm a former addict myself.
Later dude.
MC,
Although some things about the business may have changed, it's apparent that one theme that existed in the old days still exists today.
People are recruited by the promotion of residual income, financial freedom, and walking away from the J-O-B. Then after you've been in the business for a while, upline will then teach you that the business is not about money. It's the friendships and Christianity that is important.
That's hogwash. People get into business to make money. How many people would sign up if you promoted friendships and the church??
Joecool:
I don't think that mc can answer any more postings. Right now he's too busy wiping the egg off his face.
I don't understand how people might believe there is a chance to make money when all of the facts are on the SA4000. I did notice that those facts aren't really ever discussed
I see you guys are back to your IBO bashing. MC did mis-read your post mlm, hopefully you Do still agree with my view on the "new business attitude". But from what I see, he kept it pretty civil, until df started in with the name calling such as "naive (like yourself)", and "fired up little ambot".
You guys just can't have a civil conversation, anyone who comes on here you guys have got to insult and make assumptions about! Not all of you, but alot, mainly the critbots!
The business never goes from being about money to just being about friendships. Just because you develop friendships, etc. - doesn't mean you stop striving to develop residual income and getting free of a job. My sponsor is probably gonna retire when he graduates next year! He might be developing friendships, and not be just about the money, (which is good- I don't want him to just be about money, I'm glad he's in it to help others too) but he's still building a business and developing residual income. There's nothing wrong with getting in to make money, but then finding out that you can also help others and develop lifelong friendships, and have commradery with a team.
Tony, there's nothing wrong with making money and also creating friendships along the way.
The problem is that people are sold on the idea of creating residual income and financial freedom. Then some time later when the IBO's haven't sponsored anyone and aren't making money, that's when the "business is more than money" is taught. I witnessed that first hand. It's almost like a bait and switch tactic.
Also, you said your upline is helping people, but is he helping "people" or helping people who help to further his business?
Tony, if your upline will retire after college and actually devotes time to helping the needy, the poor, then kudos to him. That's truly giving back to the community. I just haven't seen any of the big pins doing any of that.
T>He might be developing friendships, and not be just about the money, (which is good- I don't want him to just be about money, I'm glad he's in it to help others too)
SD>Just curious, Tony, who is he in it to help, and how does he help others?
I don't really know anyone on this page. Lately I have been using it to vent some of the frustration I have for my wife and her brother joining up.
Some of the arguments I read on here are pretty funny. I believe, from witnessing first hand, that uplines don't help people do anything. They encourage cd purchasing, invite them over for call groups, or come and show the plan for you. except for the last one that isn't really helping, and then they are helping themselves because of the profit they can make with tools. My wifes upline platinum knows he might not be able to make much off her selling products, but as long as people keep recruiting and new members are buying the tools they are encouraged to purchase he will be getting a good monthly income.
As far as a new style or old style of recruiting, it is all in the confidence level the IBO has when he approaches a prospect. That sad thing in todays communication revolution, they are forced to make contacts in person still. Just the uncomfortable feelings people get when being approached by a stranger makes the contact even harder and more awkward.
The other reason I believe the business hasn't completely failed yet is because the older IBO's have a new generation of people who don't know what AMWAY was. Not too mention, most young people I come in contact with today are looking for the income that comes from not working. It is an easy sale.
"Bait and switch", hey if you don't give a damn about friendships or spirituality then quit if you're not making money. No one says you have to stay in just for the bigger cause.
Who does he help? Both people in his business and out of his business.
Also, he may donate time helping the needy, but you don't need to voluenteer in a soup kitchen to help the needy. Sure they like people volunteering, but they prefer $1000 checks!
If a Founders EDC or above is making about $1mil, which is what Qx says the average EDC & above makes (without tools), then 10% would be close to $100,000! I'd say that is helping people out Joecool, wouldn't you?
Now how do I know DoubleDiamond Joe M is giving 10% to charity, I don't know for sure, but that's what he teaches and says he believes. How do I know my church priest doesn't dip into the collection plate, I don't know. How do you know yours doesn't, you take it on faith. If you tell me you give 10%, or a certain amount to charity, I have no proof, but I'll take your word for it.
Deb, how does he help others? Multiple ways, one he helps people out of the business buy the charities he gives too. He also helps people in his business by mentoring them, making calls, showing plans, teaching, passing on knowledge, etc. Now you can be negative and say that he's really just helping himself, but he's also shown the plan for people who are not in his group. He did a small open meeting at a local college where most people were crossline to him.
He also was invited by an Emerald to come and talk at HIS Open Meeting, where Everyone was crossline to him! My sponsor showed the plan and did the training, and NO ONE in the room was in his downline, but he enjoys serving the larger team! I think thats awesome! You think whatever you want!
another ibo, if you're such an expert on this business, tell me how much your Platinum makes on the CDs your wife buys. What constitutes his "good monthly income". Do you know? or are you just another critbot, who can't get past the amway stigma and sees this as a scam no matter what!
Hi Tony:
Good to have you back, and I do appreciate your sincerity with your last posting to me. To clear things up before mc totally muddled everything, yes, I still do agree with your position that IBOs today are not as pushy as their amway counterparts of yesteryear.
As far as mc is concerned, it wasn't that he confused my position on this matter by attributing other posters' quotes to me that got me upset, but his whole attitude about it. Below are some of the remarks that he made to me. You be the judge as to whether or not you think they are combative in nature, which is how I percieved them to be when insulting him back:
"you sort of sound like a hypocrit, or atleast like someone who doesn't think things thru."
"mlm, are you partially retarded or what?"
"looks like you're still eating paint chips! lol!"
How are your XS sales coming lately btw, any luck?
Tony> "Bait and switch", hey if you don't give a damn about friendships or spirituality then quit if you're not making money. No one says you have to stay in just for the bigger cause.
Joecool> But upline tells you and teaches you never to quit because then you would be a broke loser and success might be right around the corner. And secondly, upline says you shoudn't quit because the business is about much more than money, it's about friendships.
Tony> Who does he help? Both people in his business and out of his business.
Joecool> If he does this, that is good. When I was in the biz, my upline only helped people who were in the business. If your upline's business is big enough where he can retire soon, I find it hard to imagine where he would have the time to help people outside of the business when you do all the counseling, teaching, showing the plan, etc. At the 4000 level I was always busy with business activities throughout the week.
Tony> Also, he may donate time helping the needy, but you don't need to voluenteer in a soup kitchen to help the needy. Sure they like people volunteering, but they prefer $1000 checks!
Joecool> Ah, but ministry is about working in the soup kitchens and not just handing out checks. The Pharisees gave God extravagant gifts but God preferred the few pennies an old widow gave him because it meant more for a poor person to give a few pennies than for rich people to give extravagant gifts.
Tony> Now how do I know DoubleDiamond Joe M is giving 10% to charity, I don't know for sure, but that's what he teaches and says he believes. How do I know my church priest doesn't dip into the collection plate, I don't know. How do you know yours doesn't, you take it on faith. If you tell me you give 10%, or a certain amount to charity, I have no proof, but I'll take your word for it.
Joecool> I'll give you that one Tony.
Tony> Now you can be negative and say that he's really just helping himself, but he's also shown the plan for people who are not in his group. He did a small open meeting at a local college where most people were crossline to him.
Joecool> Hey Tony, it this accurate? This was totally TABOO back when I was in the biz. Unless the upline diamonds gave it their approval, this would never happen.
Tony,
I am not another person that can't get over the stigma. I am a realist. I met the platinum on a personal level once before my brother-in-law recruited my wife. He was in the military and I still am. I mentioned the tools to him and although he didn't give a specific number he did say it paid REALLY GOOD, if you know what I mean. those were his exact words. He also said he had to have a seperate business name for his tools business. Just look at it. It makes sense to make money off tools. That is guaranteed if you get all downlines to fall into the hype of listening to CD's reading books, and going to seminars, not to mention the useless communiKate
I also have first hand knowledge because my brother tried the business for 5 years. He was always trying to sale products, recruiting, and attending seminars. 5 years with more than 10-15 hours a week and he wasn't making enough to quit.
so, no I am not just jumping on a band wagon. Look at the FTC website that warns consumers about MLM's that just try to get you to recruit and then look at the eagle program in the BWW system. I also found something interesting. If you go to the amway sight, or just search quixtar in googel there is a link to FAQ for amway.
One of them says, do I really only have to buy just from myself. The answer was no, that would be against the rules. Since quixtar pretty much just copied amways rules, tell me what you think
FAQ 33
Is it true that you don't have to sell, just buy the products for yourself and recruit others to do the same?
The simple fact is, you can't make money in the Amway business unless AMWAY products are sold. To say it otherwise would be misrepresenting the Amway Sales and Marketing Plan - a violation of our rules. If we hear about claims like this, we take steps to correct them.
Not to sound condescending, but Quixtar doesn't take steps to correct them. After reading all of the current rules, I had to inform my brother-in-law/upline about the 70% rule and many others that affected both him and us. I asked if he was getting bonus checks on his PV before he signed anyone up. He was and he was using all of the products. Doesn't sound like 70% was being enforced to me.
I can continue with many more violations and misrepresentations....
All you critics are is a bunch of Whiny broke losers who FAILED. Quixtar didn't fail, YOU failed. Get over it! I've never heard such a sorry a$$ bunch of whiny candy a$$e$ in my LIFE!
Just when I think, "Surely this person has reached and encapsulates the limits of Internet tedium" you go and push the boundary even further. Try learning elementary grammar before attempting to inflict your next literary abomination on this message board.
If brains were gasoline, you wouldn't have enough to drive an ant's Go-cart around the inside of a bottle cap. Is that a conclusion or simply the place where you got tired of thinking? Have you ever noticed that whenever you sit behind a keyboard, some idiot starts typing? I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin Disraeli said: "He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one idea and that was wrong."
You are about as entertaining as watching grass grow in a windowbox. What do you do for a living? You are living, aren't you? If you called the Suicide Hotline, they'd say: "Go ahead. Do it!" Maybe you wouldn't be such a Jerk-In-The-Box if you weren't an 'idiot savant' without the 'savant' part; if the chief excitement in your meaningless life wasn't spotting people who are fatter than you are, or if you didn't have a face so ugly that Peeping Toms break into your house and close the blinds. No, come to think of it, you would.
Now, if you care to apologize for wasting my shamefully wasted time, I'll consider accepting it. In the mean time, go back and sit your A$$ back into that pathetic little cubicile you think is a "life". Please wipe that brown stuff off your nose from kissing your bosses hiny all day!!!!
I appreciate your comments, as only a person with no vocabulary chooses to use curse words.
As for what I do for a living. I am a member of the U.S. Air Force and I take pride in the fact that I defend a constitution that allows you to think the way you do.
I have at least stated some very relevant facts unlike your biased personal insults. Luckily though, ugly idiots, like myself are here with real jobs protecting your lazy ASS
Now, if you care to apologize for wasting my shamefully wasted time, I'll consider accepting it. In the mean time, go back and sit your A$$ back into that pathetic little cubicile you think is a "life". Please wipe that brown stuff off your nose from kissing your bosses hiny all day!!!!
I will agree with you on one thing, your being a quixtar IBO is shamefully wasted time
Pro-Quixbot:
That was great stuff. You basically summarized every tapespeak and misconception about the 'real' working world.
Outstanding...really.......
And you did it in such a way, that any prospective IBO would surely want to join and emulate you as part of his upline....
You know what I mean by , "upline", right? That's your boss away from your 9-5 boss.
"DF"
That post is written by something so confused, it doesn't know whether to scratch its watch or wind its A$$.
You would be out of your depth in a parking lot puddle. Are you always this ignorant, or are you making a special effort today? You are about as entertaining as a child's inflatable punching toy. You bop it, it springs back, you bop it again and you forget it ever existed. It slowly deflates in an unused corner, then one day you throw it away. I bet you thought it was just coincidence that your parents had the same surnames before they married..
You're a message board freak. I know it's hard to accept the truth, but the truth it is, and accept it, you must!!!!!!!
another IBO, you're in the air force? You must be about as candy A$$ED as they come!!! Whining on a message board about what your WIFE does for a living!? Gimme a break! Be a man for ONCE!
To ProQuixtar:
Dude!!! I'm impressed with your command of the english language. Usually the quixbots hurl the same insults over and over again, but you definitely have broken the mold here with your voluminous vocabulary and quick and spirited barbs.
"All you critics are is a bunch of Whiny broke losers who FAILED. Quixtar didn't fail, YOU failed. Get over it! I've never heard such a sorry a$$ bunch of whiny candy a$$e$ in my LIFE!"
Okay, here you start off like a typical quixbot, but you do get better:
"Just when I think, "Surely this person has reached and encapsulates the limits of Internet tedium" you go and push the boundary even further. Try learning elementary grammar before attempting to inflict your next literary abomination on this message board."
Nice verbiage and full sentence structure!
"If brains were gasoline, you wouldn't have enough to drive an ant's Go-cart around the inside of a bottle cap. Is that a conclusion or simply the place where you got tired of thinking? Have you ever noticed that whenever you sit behind a keyboard, some idiot starts typing? I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin Disraeli said: "He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one idea and that was wrong."
You are about as entertaining as watching grass grow in a windowbox. What do you do for a living? You are living, aren't you? If you called the Suicide Hotline, they'd say: "Go ahead. Do it!" Maybe you wouldn't be such a Jerk-In-The-Box if you weren't an 'idiot savant' without the 'savant' part; if the chief excitement in your meaningless life wasn't spotting people who are fatter than you are, or if you didn't have a face so ugly that Peeping Toms break into your house and close the blinds. No, come to think of it, you would."
In the mean time, go back and sit your A$$ back into that pathetic little cubicile you think is a "life". Please wipe that brown stuff off your nose from kissing your bosses hiny all day!!!!
Excellent wit exhibited here!!!
ProQuixtar, I've got to hand it to you, you're right in my own league when it comes to conversational ability and getting your point across.
Too bad that intelligence doesn't extend to your knowledge of business.
from ProQuixtar:
"That post is written by something so confused, it doesn't know whether to scratch its watch or wind its A$$."
"You would be out of your depth in a parking lot puddle. Are you always this ignorant, or are you making a special effort today? You are about as entertaining as a child's inflatable punching toy. You bop it, it springs back, you bop it again and you forget it ever existed. It slowly deflates in an unused corner, then one day you throw it away. I bet you thought it was just coincidence that your parents had the same surnames before they married.."
I like this guy!!!
All QBlog needs to do is put in some canned laughter on this thread, and we got ourselves a full fledged comedy show!
Tony:
You USED to be the most spirited on the IBO team, but it looks like ProQuixtar has gotten you beat here. I hope that this doesn't start causing dissension amongst you guys.
Okay, this is interesting. This Pro-Quixtar guy just hops on and starts slamming insults around, and I'm supposed to take that as some kind of indication that he's a successful business owner? I guess I fail to see how calling people 'as entertaining as a children's punching toy,' or being 'out of your depth in a parking lot puddle' has any relevance to everything else being talked about here.
True, so of the anti-Quixtar folks have dropped some hard insults on the pro folks, but still, wouldn't it be better to be the 'bigger guy' and not sling mud? Besides, slinging mud gets you nowhere in a discussion.
ProQuixtar is just auditioning for the annual quixbot comic relief night. You gotta admit - he's pretty good.
Come on PQ, let's hear some more of those fancy one-liners!
Yeah, PQ does impress me with his command of the English language. Too bad his content is so poor. He has great one-liners and insults, but those are just entertaining ( for some people) and plain hurtful to others. He obviously hasn't read the AQ bible : "How to Win Friends and Influence People."
BTW, PQ, I've never quit the business because I've never joined, nor do I intend to. I come to this blog to see if there are ways to help my in-laws who continue to lose money year after year in AQ. That's why I read the blog.
Just curious, are you with BWW?
Pro-Quixbot>
Those were great canned insults. Did you learn those from a tape? Or did you come up with those while hanging out at Barnes&Noble for a new victim..er..prospect?
Now do you have anything to say (i.e. a point to make, an issue to debate) or are you just gonna run that garbage mouth of yours?
Please keep your comments limited to original thoughts. If we wanted tapespeak, we would solicit posts from Embot, Tonybot and Mikebot.
ProQuixtar> All you critics are is a bunch of Whiny broke losers who FAILED. Quixtar didn't fail, YOU failed. Get over it! I've never heard such a sorry a$$ bunch of whiny candy a$$e$ in my LIFE!
Joecool18> I was a 4000 PV pin and I wasn't making money after my business expenses. Quixtar/Amway did fail, or at least the foolprrof teaching system did.
ProQuixtar> I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin Disraeli said: "He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one idea and that was wrong."
Joecool> At least he had an idea. In Quixtar, all you do is copy and do what your upline tells you to do.
ProQuixtar> You are about as entertaining as watching grass grow in a windowbox.
Joecool> Then leave, no one here has bound and gagged you.
ProQuixtar> What do you do for a living? You are living, aren't you? If you called the Suicide Hotline, they'd say: "Go ahead. Do it!" Maybe you wouldn't be such a Jerk-In-The-Box if you weren't an 'idiot savant' without the 'savant' part.
Joecool> When I was in the business, they taught us to be positive.
ProQuixtar> Now, if you care to apologize for wasting my shamefully wasted time, I'll consider accepting it. In the mean time, go back and sit your A$$ back into that pathetic little cubicile you think is a "life".
Joecool> No one forced you to visit this website. In fact I bet your upline told you not to visit yet here you are.
ProQuixtar> Please wipe that brown stuff off your nose from kissing your bosses hiny all day!!!!
Joecool> Please wipe that brown stuff off your nose from kissing your UPLINE's heiny all day and all nite long.
Wow, you Quix folks just prove over and over that you're full of pure adulterated class!
I am so glad we get to see that side, many folks probably don't get to experience these personalities untill they spend some serious time and money as an IBO. I mean these are the true leaders of the cause, and we get to learn from them on this blog for free!
ProQuix it truly takes a brave man to spew out anonymous insults in such a generalizing manner. Not only are they insults, oh but they are so witty! I like how you splice your droll tirade together, you are a true wordsmith, forming a roasting experience that sure made me ponder my life!
In fact it made me think how lucky I am not to be brainwashed by such hackney garbage.
Thanks for the reminder...again!
df, joecool, dawson, any other critics who care to respond:
Thanks for your contribution, but if I had wanted to hear from somebody with your IQ, I'd be at my local supermarket talking to the vegetables. Is that tapespeak remark a conclusion or simply the place where you got tired of thinking?
If that post was intended as a joke, you forgot to include the punch line. You are the kind of person who, when one first meets you, one doesn't like you. But when one gets to know you better, one hates you. Maybe you wouldn't come across as such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you weren't intellectually slower than a herd of turtles stampeding through a vat of chunky peanut butter...
Keep typing. Maybe, someday, you'll randomly type something semi-intelligent. You must have a very large brain to hold such a vast amount of sheer ignorance.
Quixtar works! It's quite pathetic seeing a bunch of forty or fifty something old men worrying about an opportunity they missed years ago!!! Get off your duff and quit whining!! You look pathetic to the rest of the world! Just because you failed miserably once at this opportunity, doesn't mean you don't have a chance. Face facts, you failed miserably! Quixtar didn't! I am not here to win friends and influence lazy broke people, but to show the world what mindless ignorant people you really are! I would be highly impressed if you had an inkling of an original thought and didn't spew ignorance from such works as amquix.info or MOD!!!
PQ, keep trying, your almost not repeating your self. You need to write some new material though to keep it sounding fresh.
PQ last post.. "Is that tapespeak remark a conclusion or simply the place where you got tired of thinking?"
PQ first post.. "Is that a conclusion or simply the place where you got tired of thinking?"
...how original and pointed you are.
Keep up the great work!
df> Those were great canned insults. Did you learn those from a tape...
df>Please keep your comments limited to original thoughts. If we wanted tapespeak, we would solicit posts from Embot, Tonybot and Mikebot.
df, if you have to ask if its tapespeak then by definition its not. 'Tapespeak' are the cliches that get repeated over and over again, or the one-liners from popular speakers or Classic tapes. Please try learing your own critbot slang definitions.
I agree, I like PQ, hasn't he posted here before? Very witty, I was for a while, still am from time to time, but I try to steer away from the insults, and just speak from my experiences and rebuttle some of the arguments that keep repeating here.
But sometimes some of the critbots spew such narrow-minded, uninformed lies, that I can't help but point out that if brains were money and it cost a nickel to go around the world, some of these critbots couldn't pay to get out of site! (paraphrased from Dave Servern) (oh I bet thats just driving df crazy!)
mlm, yea some of what mc said was insulting, but he really thought you contradicted yourself, which would be hypocritical. And if you had pointed out that you just quoted lawdawg, he's have caught it, but you said show me where, so he thru out some more insults, and copied your post. We all see the error now. He's got to admit it.
Oh, and the XS sales are going OK, got a new client but its just an individual, nothing huge, still talking with 7-8 bars/restaurants, so I'm hping to have a few new corporate accounts in the next month or two. I do need to be more proactive with it though.
Joe18, no matter what your upline tells you, its still Your call to quit. How many people on here have done it? Yea, success may be right around the corner, but if you don't wanna stick it out, quit. I'm glad some people have quit. That leaves their A & B list to me!
Joe, when I talk about my sponsor helping people out of the business I'm talking about him helping his family, and charities.
Joecool> Ah, but ministry is about working in the soup kitchens and not just handing out checks. The Pharisees gave God extravagant gifts but God preferred the few pennies an old widow gave him because it meant more for a poor person to give a few pennies than for rich people to give extravagant gifts.
T> first of all thats not true, ministry is different to different individuals. Your ministry might be about bringing people into the Church, or it might be about saving starving children in Africa. Donating money to a cause (for vaccines for example) is Just as important as the people who administer the drugs!
Your example of the poor woman is taken out of context. You were trying to make a point that God doesn't want $$ he wants action, but then you gave an example where both the pharisees and the woman gave money. The moral in that story is that the poor woman's pennies were all that she had, and therefore meant more.
Joe, the small open meeting my sponsor did was just that, anl Open Meeting. Rarely is every IBO at an Open meeting all on the same team. He was the speaker on the board, and all IBOs at the college were welcome to come with guests. Its possible our upline Diamond did OK it, but that Is how Open meetings run.
AnotherIBO, you can say whatever you want about tools. The fact is they are required. Its up to you what you want to buy or attend. If your upline says "buy the CDs or I'm never talking to you" then quit his team and find a team that does it right. I wasn't buying any books or CDs for almost 8 months! My sponsor still helped me! I have Many IBOs not on SOT, I still work with them! I've had IBOs get on SOT, then get off, I still work with them too! This is not a novel idea. I work with who wants the help. Tools are optional, if they want'em fine, if not thats fine too. I do see people using the CDs, books, and seminars generally doing better than those who don't. That's why I use them. I don't buy 7 tapes a week, I get the 1 CD for standing order each week, and sometimes I'll get a leadership tape or a beginner CD like 'Private Franchising'. My point is, its Optional!
anotherIbo> I also have first hand knowledge because my brother tried the business for 5 years.
Ha, anyone else get a chuckle from this? "First hand knowledge"... from your brother?? Unless you two are Siamese twins, you don't know what 1st hand means! You have 2nd hand knowledge - "Vicarious" or thru another. You know what my brother took TKD for 1 month and then quit! But guess what, I still stuck with it and years later got my Blackbelt. So I don't care what your brother did.
You have still not convinced me that you are not just another critic stuck on the old stigma. You haven't experienced the business 1st hand, though you could be now! Go to FED! I'm sure your wife is going, go with her!
Once again the 70% rule includes self use, the only rule regarding retail sales is the 10 m/c, 50pv, or $100 to m/c rule. They'd contradict themselves if the 70% applied to Retailing, it doesn't say retailing or even mention client/member or customers.
If you don't believe me look at the Michigan State Attorney Generals official website: http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,1607,7-164-20942-44709--,00.html
It says "Multi-level marketing is a lawful and legitimate business method that uses a network of independent representatives to sell consumer products. Commissions should be based upon the sale of goods or services to end-user consumers who may include the sellers of the product."
Its right there! Black and white! Quixtar has no head-hunting fees! You don't get paid for registering people, you get paid on volume!! Start spreading This, instead of twisted lies!!
Tony, I actually held you in better light then this yahoo ProQ. After your last pile of Hundehaufen saying you think he is witty though, I think I can comfortably lump you two together. As you enjoy saying, "you lost all credibility with me!"
Enjoy each other and your laffy taffy jokes...
FTC v. Five Star Auto Club, Inc., United States District Court for the Southern District of New York.
'Prohibited marketing scheme' means a pyramid sales scheme, Ponzi scheme, chain marketing scheme, or other marketing plan or program in which a person participates under a condition that he or she make a payment, directly or indirectly, to receive the right, license or opportunity to derive income as a participant PRIMARILY from: (1) the recruitment of additional recruits by the participant, program promoter or others; or (2) non-retail sales made to or by such recruits.
'Retail Sales' means sales of products, services, or Business Ventures by Defendants, their successors, assigns, agents, servants, employees, and those persons in active concert or participation with them to third-party end users. Retail Sales do not include sales made by participants in a prohibited marketing scheme or multi-level marketing program to other participants or recruits in that scheme or program or to such a participants' own accounts.
Joecool> Ah, but ministry is about working in the soup kitchens and not just handing out checks. The Pharisees gave God extravagant gifts but God preferred the few pennies an old widow gave him because it meant more for a poor person to give a few pennies than for rich people to give extravagant gifts.
T> first of all thats not true, ministry is different to different individuals. Your ministry might be about bringing people into the Church, or it might be about saving starving children in Africa. Donating money to a cause (for vaccines for example) is Just as important as the people who administer the drugs!
Tony, you're right, ministry can be a lot of things, it could be cutting grass for the elderly, working at a soup kitchen, working at the church, playing music, the list goes on and on. The point I was making was that God doesn't want people to simply hand out checks, but to actually get involved and participate in ministry. Donating money is important, but helping out in other ways is important too.
As for the quitting the business part, I recall our upline always stressing to people that they should never quit, and that quitting will basically lead you to oblivion. But you gotta remember, my upline came with the sign up kit. Ironically enough, my upline must have sponsered 150-200 people over his 12 years in the business, but his overbearing tactics led to a lot of turnover.
Tony,
I like this PQ guy! Granted he is harsh, but it's nice to see someone else challenge these critics- I agree with you- it gets old! PQ is refreshing.
I will disagree with him though that every soldier should be honored- no matter what they do. That comment was out of line.
Anytime someone challenges DF's intellect he claims its tapespeak!
Tony, fyi- focus on the Kahvecchino's- they are delishious and carry a hefty 14.95PV per case. Instead of having to retail 1,000 cases of XS, you'll only have to retail 500 of these to get to 7500pv. NOT difficult to do! 10 bars and restaurants could easily do 50 cases per month. I am a single guy and I do 5 cases per month just buying for myself!
better yet, have 10 IBO's retail 50 cases- 10 IBO's x 10 clients x 5 cases per month! That also takes care of the pyramid definition! It wouldn't be a pyramid cause you have more outside clients than you would have wholesale IBO's.
Poorhouse Tony>'Tapespeak' are the cliches that get repeated over and over again, or the one-liners from popular speakers or Classic tapes
DF> Sorry Poorhouse Tony! There is no way to have the ENTIRE tapespeak dictionary memorized.
But, gee, if those are prepared one-liners.
I'm sure you ambots get those from your pep-rallies and brainwashings....
I can't sniff out tapespeak!
Speaking of which, what's that terrible smell.
Oh, that's ProQuixbot at it again !!!
ProQuixbot: Like I asked you before, do you have anything real to say or a point to debate ???
My guess is, no, no you don't.
You have zilch to say and you have zilch in terms of retained earnings from A/Q.
I GUESS THAT MAKES YOU A BIG ZERO !!!
Care to prove me wrong? Send in some documentation via this website.
Mikebot>"Anytime someone challenges DF's intellect he claims its tapespeak!"
Well Mikebot, ProQuixbot DID NOT challenge my intellect. He hasn't challenged anyone or anything for that mattered.
He's hurled a bunch of insults and lame one-liners from the 1960's.
I am not surprised to find that you think that's cool.
Maybe you can sell some NASCAR gear to ProQuixbot. You losers can watch that together after your weekly brainwashing!
Mikebot, if you are making money in A/Q, please show us. You can't brag unless you have something to show for your effort
We all already know that Tonybot is LOSING MONEY.
ProQuixbot probably can't find a one-liner clever enough to justify his red-ink.
And Ryan Hicks fell off with Embot and Jennybot and the rest of them.....
So it is up to you to carry the ambot torch!
Michael> "I like this PQ guy! Granted he is harsh, but it's nice to see someone else challenge these critics"
Is it nice because you have run out of ideas on how to challenge the critics, or because you needed a hot shot of brainwashed dogma to keep you on the business track?
As DF points out, mocking one liners are not really a challenge to anyone with a self confident, logical, realistic mind. They are a sophomoric tool to make other simple minded folk laugh and band together in whatever ignorant pilgrimage they have in common.
Glad you enjoy each others banter, its your niche and your welcome to it.
mlmscam: Come on PQ, let's hear some more of those fancy one-liners!
PQ:
"Thanks for your contribution, but if I had wanted to hear from somebody with your IQ, I'd be at my local supermarket talking to the vegetables."
*clapping & applause*
Maybe you wouldn't come across as such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you weren't intellectually slower than a herd of turtles stampeding through a vat of chunky peanut butter...
*roaring laughter*
PQ: Thank you ladies & gentlemen, you've been such a great audience (waves and exits stage left).
Michael> better yet, have 10 IBO's retail 50 cases- 10 IBO's x 10 clients x 5 cases per month! That also takes care of the pyramid definition! It wouldn't be a pyramid cause you have more outside clients than you would have wholesale IBO's.
Joecool> That's correct, if upline would stress more retailing, then IBO's would be more profitable and there would be fewer people looking at the business as an illegal pyramid. Anyone whose upline promotes the business as a "buyer's club" like Costco, is promoting the business wrong.
Your right guys, I went and meditated on things for awhile and had a bit of a self realization. I was the A$$hole here, I am just a guy with alot of built up anger about how life is going for me right now. But like the ant on a motercycle in a bottle cap, I now understand that I am just going around in a circle never getting anywhere with my joking. I hope you all can forgive me, I am heading off to try and write some new material for the Jimmy Kimel show now. Take care and peace to the world.
I'm not certain that PQ is for real. I think that he's quite possibly a critic in disguise. His one-liners are just far too old-school to have been picked up in the modern method of Jedi mind tricks used by Quixtar. I think he may be having a laugh and baiting us critics.
If he is for real then we've not heard much from him other than a few insults. I didn't read once single point of debate in his posts.
Oh my word!
I was correct. The guy was joking. I know my post appears just after his but I swear that it was not there when I began typing. Honest!
Tony wrote:
"Once again the 70% rule includes self use, the only rule regarding retail sales is the 10 m/c, 50pv, or $100 to m/c rule. They'd contradict themselves if the 70% applied to Retailing, it doesn't say retailing or even mention client/member or customers.
If you don't believe me look at the Michigan State Attorney Generals official website: http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,1607,7-164-20942-44709--,00.html
It says "Multi-level marketing is a lawful and legitimate business method that uses a network of independent representatives to sell consumer products. Commissions should be based upon the sale of goods or services to end-user consumers who may include the sellers of the product."
Its right there! Black and white! Quixtar has no head-hunting fees! You don't get paid for registering people, you get paid on volume!! Start spreading This, instead of twisted lies!!"
Hi Tony:
Thanks for that website link.
I didn't see anything on that site, however, that mentions self-use being tied in with the 70% rule. As a matter of fact, I didn't even observe the 70% rule being mentioned at all.
Could you fully explain how what you quoted from the Michigan attorney general office's website encompasses the 70% rule? I just don't see it.
ProQuixbot>"I hope you all can forgive me, I am heading off to try and write some new material for the Jimmy Kimel show now. Take care and peace to the world"
Wow, another ambot bites the dust!?!
It's amazing how they fall off when asked to substanciate their efforts with numbers!
BTW, there is no way this guy is writing for Jimmy Kimel.....
Well in all fairness, I think his biggest point was "Qx didn't fail, you guys failed".
I don't entirely agree, but it Is an argument, its His arguement. I wouldn't say you failed, but I would say you gave up. Maybe rightfully so, but maybe 1 more year (with consistent hardwork) would've seen a big difference. I still think Joe 18 would've been platinum right now making $2600. Joe, even with all your expenses, would you have been profitable with $2600?? What about $3-4,000?
Joe18> The point I was making was that God doesn't want people to simply hand out checks, but to actually get involved and participate in ministry.
T> did he tell you that? I disagree, not that he doesn't want people to get involved, but donating 10's of thousands is just as important and God pleasing. How much money you gonna make volunteering all your time? None! The people who can volunteer need to volunteer, the people out making millions need to keep doing Their part and keep donating.
Joe> Donating money is important, but helping out in other ways is important too.
T> I never said it wasn't! Physically helping IS important. But the $$ is Just as important. How are volunteers gonna build houses or give vaccines, if there's no money buying the supplies? I'm not downplaying the importance of being there volunteering, but you're making it sound that its more noble or important than donating money!
And here's a news flash. For many people, this Business is their ministry, not just so they can donate $ to good causes, but because they're trying to bring more people into this atmosphere which teaches morals, principles, and Christian spirituality! Bringing people to Christ and encouraging them to read the Bible and develop a relationship with God is a ministry too.
(Enter X stage left, with more of his Word-faith mumbo jumbo crap)
DF>BTW, there is no way this guy is writing for Jimmy Kimel.....
TD>It's more like Don Rickles... :D
Waiter at local eatery: Hi, welcome to the "mlm residuals" restaurant, can I take you folks' order?
ProQuixtar: Yes, I'll like a large helping of "laughter ala mode".
Tony: I'm not really that hungry. I'll have my usual "smoke & mirrors deluxe", but this time go light on the insults.
Waiter: Thank you gentlemen, I'll get that for yous right away. In the meantime, please help yourself to the "books & tapes" bar located at the far right. Enjoy.
Hey mlm,
Your post wasn't there when I replied. Good question it doesn't refer to the 70% rule, but it does refer to self use counting towards commissions.
"Multi-level marketing is a lawful and legitimate business method that uses a network of independent representatives to sell consumer products. Commissions should be based upon the sale of goods or services to end-user consumers who may include the sellers of the product."
"Include the sellers of the product" That means me. I'm still an end-user consumer. Some people misinterpret the 70% rule as meaning "Retail sales" to "outside" customers. It simply Doesn't say that! Sells to ones self count. The only rule that the FTC has imposed regarding Required sales to outside customers is the "M/C rule" which says you have to have 10 m/c sales, 50pv to m/c or $100 to m/c. If thats not met, you don't get a bonus on downline volume. Its tracked electronically, as long as you have 50pv to m/c, etc. you'll get your full bonus.
LOL! Thats funny mlm'. I can appreciate that! :) When I get a free sec, I'll see if I can come back with something.
(but on a sidebar, I do object to the smoke and mirrors comment. I speak from POV, and I tell the truth. Otherwise, I'd be saying I'm a 5th degree BB, and an Emerald making $180,000!! Give me credit there. I AM honest. No smokes and mirrors in my opinion) - but I can still laugh at it.
Tony,
Once again thanks for the comments and once again I will tell you I am not stuck on some stigma.
a few posts up you told me tools are required and then you said they are optional. Which is it? I read a book from your list. The one about being a prosumer. It was written by a doctor, funny thing though, it never mentions what type of doctor. Most of the quotes were from people in a type of business, but doesn't say who they work for. None of that is very credible to me. As a matter of fact, the book merely repeated everything the platinum said when he was showing the plan. I still don't see how it is smart to spend close to $300 getting 200PV just to get $6 back.
As for the PROQuixtar smarting off and calling me a candy ass, well that his business. Hopefully he understands that I am still prepared to give my life for him and this country. I do feel sorry for him though, because if he has to insult people anonymously over the net, he is probably the candy ass.
Tony,
I would also like to add that watching your brother try very hard at a business and lose as many friends as he did, is first hand. If it was second hand, I would have heard about it from someone else. I can't believe you compared Q* to TKD, the only comparison there is that as an IBO you get your ass kicked by driving and hearing NO so many times.
I think you are the one that told me about rule 6.5. How do you like that rule? I guess now you can only operate one MLM. My wife makes more money selling tupperware over the web on an un-password protected site than most of the IBO's I know. She doesn't have to do a thing.
Just another silly question to ponder. If Quixtar wanted you to sale their products, why don't they train you for free like most other businesses? Q* is the first place I ever heard of that makes you pay
Tony: "The only rule that the FTC has imposed regarding Required sales to outside customers is the "M/C rule" which says you have to have 10 m/c sales, 50pv to m/c or $100 to m/c."
FALSE.
FTC v. Five Star Auto Club, Inc., United States District Court for the Southern District of New York.
'Prohibited marketing scheme' means a pyramid sales scheme, Ponzi scheme, chain marketing scheme, or other marketing plan or program in which a person participates under a condition that he or she make a payment, directly or indirectly, to receive the right, license or opportunity to derive income as a participant PRIMARILY from: (1) the recruitment of additional recruits by the participant, program promoter or others; or (2) non-retail sales made to or by such recruits.
'Retail Sales' means sales of products, services, or Business Ventures by Defendants, their successors, assigns, agents, servants, employees, and those persons in active concert or participation with them to third-party end users. Retail Sales do not include sales made by participants in a prohibited marketing scheme or multi-level marketing program to other participants or recruits in that scheme or program or to such a participants' own accounts.
Thank you lawdawg. His definition was almost as interesting as my wifes platinum telling us that the 70% rule only applied to people with over 7500 PV
Tony and everyone else,
I am a nice guy with a good sense of humor. If you are making money that is great, but I will be a skeptic until the platinum t
The contrast between the way this woman
broke her husband out, and the way they
'weren't pushy enough' is actually pretty
funny...looks like they wanted to keep too
low a profile.
Either that, or QuixAm distributors made it a
point of pushing product at gunpoint, at
least where this cabbie lived...
Either way, I expect a rebuttal press release
from Alticor shortly, to the effect of "Mr.
Wagers' experience in terms of 'pushy'
distributors is not in accordance with the
principles or training of the corporation,
blah blah blah."
But it's nice to have the QuixAm reputation
exposed in so high-profile a news item.
TnF
Posted by: Quixtarrednfeathered | August 12, 2005 11:54 AM