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August 28, 2005
Extreme Freedom!
By QBlog in A/QMOs
Extreme Freedom Baby!
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Extreme nerds!
Extreme nausea.
PW
First thought: These are the same Amway diamonds who were diamond before Quixtar. How does this show that Quixtar is so great???
Second thought: I really was offended at the video of the women shopping while their husbands looked on, bored. That's a disgusting gender stereotype, and shame on Larry Winters for furthering it. But then again, the whole BWW team is into that.
Third Thought: This is not the kind of thing that is going to convice someone to join Quixtar. Rather, it is designed to keep the troops "faithful" and "dreaming" - all the while blind to the fact that the kingpins are the only ones who live this lifestyle, while the foot soldiers spend their money and their time for nothing.
Very sad.
Last thought: the video that starts out "just another Monday".. what, like the diamonds to that EVERY Monday? I don't think so. Snort.
I agree that these amateurish videos are not going to convince anyone to join. Contrari-wise, actually. Hanging with the likes of these "successful" folks would be my nightmare, not my dream. I noticed the word TEAM in their title. Are these people affiliated with Team of Destiny, and BTW, why did they change their name to Team? Did their destinies change also? (I'm new to the blog in case this issue has previously been addressed.)
I wonder if the music accompanying the videos is original or if the copyright holder has granted permission or been compensated for its use..........
No, truebeliver. To the best of my knowledge, this group is not affiliated with TOD. Winters was "begot" by Paul Miller. Paul was "begot" by Bill Britt. Such is the "lineage" of Larry and Pam Winters. :-)
After both Paul and Bill had their respective affairs and divorces, Winters has "inherited" the support and motivation for several of the Paul's groups. What it means is that while Paul is still probably getting Quixtar bonuses on Larry's group, the system income (or the "real" income in this business) generated by those inherited groups is flowing through Larry. I am sure he still has to "feed" the mother-ship BWW (or "kick upstairs" if you're from New Jersey :-)), but I am also sure his income increased dramatically the moment Paul dropped his pants and decided to have an affair (and a child) with his secretary.
Interestingly, some groups and personally sponsored diamonds chose to stay with Paul. Do we hear "moral fiber and family values"?
Thanks, dj, for the awful truth. Nice biblical reference. Sounds like some of these guys are living according to the Old Testament (secretary=handmaiden?)--not the New.
Seriously, I did hear that TOD shortened their name, but then agian, maybe it's a splinter "lineage." Oh dear, it's not so easy to try and untangle these balls of snakes, is it?
These videos were futher proof that you don't need talent to make movies...Hollywood has known that for quite some time. They also proved you didn't need to be athletic to play baseball.
yeah, I found the shopping video to be offensive/stupid, too...
Radical Freedom
Rock AND Roll!
There are no words. The egos of these people and the fact that they are buying this stuff with the hard earned money of those who can barely afford food because they buy tools instead.....
Karma is a bitch.
First Thought:
I would SMOKE all those fools on a snowmobile!
Sorry, thats the only thing that caught my attention on that whole website.
All jokes aside and upon further pondering, it's not just the tool money from poor shmucks like Tony that has paid for these trips and lifestyle. It's you and me - the taxpayers - who are footing this bill as well.
You see, if you were ever in the business and really studied to become one of the kingpins, then you had to hear Larry's tapes on building depth. You would then know the "secret" to this business, or the "master key to riches" in AmQuix if you will. And it's that your ultimate goal as a kingpin is to stop being a "builder" (circle-drawer, cover-dish conductor, etc.) and become a "motivator", where anything you do to improve your personal lifestyle becomes the main driving force in your downline's resolve and desire to grow. You just bought a Ferrari, and 100 people go Platinum that very week. You just bought a ranch, and 250 went Ruby. You just went to Hawaii, and 1000 bought 4000PV worth of soap and vitamins. And so forth...
This was a rare event where an AmQuix diamond openly and on the record admitted that the kingpins are in the "motivational business". Well, guess what?! If a Ferrari, a ranch, and the trips are all *part* of your business model, or in fact, *are* your business tools, then you will be writing off at least a portion of their cost.
So, ChrisA, while I have no doubt that you could in fact "SMOKE all those fools on a snowmobile", you and I still paid for that trip without even getting an opportunity to outrun them.
How about them apples?
Too bad I can't post the 'barfing smiley' to
the comment section...it fits.
TnF
"How about them apples?"
I didnt pay for anything, I was never in Quixtar or Amway!! How about those apples?!! wiseass tone intended!! :)
Haha! What a bunch of jealous mf*er's! You guys are truely pathetic!! Tool money, that's All you bunch of pansies ever cry about any more!!
Do you guys remember the checks I sent to Qblog?? The ones from my upline Diamond for more than $120,000 for 1 MONTH!!! Do you guys remember that?? The average EDC and above makes about $1million from QUIXTAR - not counting TOOLS!! I think Qx $ paid for A Lot of that! Not to mention that the Peter Island trip is paid by the Corporation (no tool$) and the trip to Hawaii (Diamond Club) is Also paid by the Corporation!!
And to the 2 crybabyies offended by the shopping video! Gimmee a break!! It was a spoof of the Budweiser commercial - it wasn't about gender stereotypes! But honestly, if you polled 1000 men about how they feel about shopping with their wifes, how many are gonna say, they might be bored!? If you're married, think to yourself, think about the last time you went along when you're wife went shopping for clothes or jewelry.
The whole thing was meant to be funny. You wanna b!tch about stereotypes, why not bash The Simpsons, Married with Children or South Park. Gimme a break its called comedy.
Not to say that you can make fun of anything or any stereotype in the name of comedy - but a bunch of guys acting bored while their wives shop is hardly stereotyping, its kinda a realistic representation.
But back to the main point - these people all started at Zero with No One in their group! Just like everyone else. But then did the work to qualify for these trips.
And most of the guys in the baseball game, and the snowmobile trips are only Emeralds, most only got started After Quixtar! My upline Ruby qualified for the baseball game this year! Thats motivation!
This is priceless!!! "My upline Ruby qualified for the baseball game this year! Thats motivation!"
I rest my case.
actually Tony I don't remember the checks you ssnt to QBlog. Can you point me in the direction of them please?
If this thing worked, Tony, everyone would be there. It takes a few hundred people losing money for anyone to make a signifcant amount. Keep on priming your uplines pump.
Oh, you must be newer here. You see while back, when I tried having civil debates about the business here - many critbots blindly made accusations that no big money was made from Qx, that Diamonds only made money from selling tools and seminars. So I told every here that I had copies of checks from my upline Diamond and in 1 month just last year he had made Over $120,000!! No tool $!
People said prove it and I posted my email, and not One critbot sent me an email to see the checks. Finally 1 guy, Keith Sr asked and I showed him. Then I sent the to Qblog to prove their existence, and last I heard, no one had asked him to see 'em either.
Well he's got 'em - 1 month for over $90,000, and another month for over $120,000 - just $ from Quixtar. And for a while the cribots shut-up about tools. But now it seems they're back at it.
It's funny. Tony goes away for a few days and casually forgets all the other arguments he's been having. Nice strategy--when you're against the wall, just ignore it and everything will go away!
Oh, and dj, what are you resting your case on? That I find motivation in a guy that is personally coaching me, moving up and qualifying for trips and events? You're a moron!
And X - I disagree, it doesn't take 300 people losing money for anyone to make money. How many times do I have to explain it:
Small business = small bonus
Big Business = Big Bonsus
When my TKD school had 1 student I only made a little bit, but when it got to 4 then 8, I made more!!
When my Master Instructor only had 1 school, he only made X amount of $$, but when he opened 2 branches, then 5, then 10 - he made MORE $$.
Get it??
If you're at 100pv - you're gonna make about $7.50/month
If you're at 1000pv - you're gonna make about $250/month
and if you're at 7500pv - you're gonna make about $2500/month!
So I guess according to you, I shouldn't have gone to college since all I did for 4 YEARS was LOSE Money!!
Oh, and Don Incohorent - still waiting on that email with your weak@ss argument. Don't bother sending a link to a 100post long topic. I already told you I'm not wasting my time reading thru 100 messages looking for some argument you made. Email it or psot it here - or Shut the H#ll Up! Frickin' critbot!!
Yea, I went away for a few days... its called the weekend!! I took in a football game with my dad, spent some time with my family, spent an afternoon with my upline platinum and some crossline just having some fun, volleyball, basketball, etc. And also hung out with one of my downline at my brothers condo. (My brother is Not in the biz)
Yea, so much for all IBOs being detached from their family/friends and only associating with people in the business, and never doing anything but listening to tapes and reading books! That's why (some of) you guys are critbots!!
Tony,
I see you have chosen to have your war of words on this post.
I want to ask you a question about a subject you love...tell me about the Quixtar product SA8 laundry detergent? I here people say that it is a far better quality product than all other detergents and is affordable considering the "concentration" of the soap...I guess you would call it "bang for the buck"?
My ex-wife actually defended herself in court saying that she only bought household goods she would use anyway, like this laundry detergent and that it was comparable or better quality, or something like that.
So, sell me. Any IBOs are welcome to chime in.
Tony> Do you guys remember the checks I sent to Qblog?? The ones from my upline Diamond for more than $120,000 for 1 MONTH!!! Do you guys remember that?? The average EDC and above makes about $1million from QUIXTAR - not counting TOOLS!! I think Qx $ paid for A Lot of that! Not to mention that the Peter Island trip is paid by the Corporation (no tool$) and the trip to Hawaii (Diamond Club) is Also paid by the Corporation!!
Joecool> I don't doubt that some people make money in quixtar, but unless you can show that the diamond group is making money, the argument about the majority losing money still applies here. If this diamond has 500 people in the group losing money, the fact that the diamond makes $100K in a month means nothing.
Tony> So I guess according to you, I shouldn't have gone to college since all I did for 4 YEARS was LOSE Money!!
Joecool> But Tony, you go to college to LEARN. People supposedly go into business (quixtar) to make money. Big difference.
Poorhouse Tony> "My upline Ruby qualified for the baseball game this year! Thats motivation!"
No, that's PATHETIC.
Guess what I can play wiffle ball with my friends and I can go shopping in the Virgin Islands too.
I haven't had to "qualify" for any of that b.s.
I made it on my own by earning a good degree and getting a good job. Then I save and invest my money wisely.
Not one motivation tool was sold, not one crazy group of money-hungry zombies was joined.
Amazing isn't it ????
Also Poorhouse Tony......
You never got back to me on my question. I asked you to contact your upline regarding tools.
How did he react when you told him you wanted to buy the exact same system tools (the tools he endorses) from eBay.
How did that go over?
Where is the independence there?
Where is the extreme freedom?
Make sure you get back to me this time.
Tony,
This topic about numbers of people vs. success came up last week on Monday Reader Mail 54. I asked a question that I will ask again:
2 DIRECT QUESTIONS FOR TONY
Out of the 150+ people in your sponsors group, how many are making money vs. how many are losing money right now?
Does my claim that for one person to succeed many many more must be failing seem to fit your sponsors group?
Thanks,
X
It seems that Tony is still having trouble with the concept of profit. Obviously his groups tools are not doing a very good job of educating him about the business.
Ahh, but they don't count it as "failing" until they've quit, as long as each one has the "opportunity" to "do the work" of assembling a large enough group of people losing money to duplicate that, um... let's call it "unique"... definition of "success". As long as you keep banging your head against reality and (more importantly) feeding money into the machine, you're just as good as there, eh?
I had another thought for you Tony. This one is about friends in and out of the business.
Bill Britt will not talk to anyone who is not an emerald. Here is a quote from my former upline Platinum who approached Bill
Upline: "Hi Bill, My name is [NAME]"
Bill: "Until you are an emerald I don't care who you are" and Bill walked away.
John Crowe also claims on a tape (I don't remember which one, but I own it) that he will not associate with someone who is not an emerald. (I think it is the bigger the rose, the harder the thorn; I'll confirm this if anyone cares)
As for other leaders, I don't know off the top. I know that Dave Taylor would spend time getting to know 'fast track' people who were not quite at that level yet.
Why don't you ask your upline Diamond how many friends they have outside of the business. How many did they meet after diamond that they still now consider a good friend who chose not to get involved? How about this one: how many people does your upline Diamond consider good friends who have quit?
I have stacks of Christmas cards, thank you notes, 'you can do it' notes, etc, etc, etc. Now that I left the business, only 2 people have had the decency to call me to talk or ask what is up. I have not recieved any Christmas cards or any other communications with them. If I call or pass an email, they will respond, but they ask if I need anything so that XXX can break a pin level.
It was not until I was in the business for about 3 years that I started to shun friends who were not involved. If my calculations are correct, you have about another year or so before this could be you.
Tony, you are in a mind control system (NOT a brain wash system; there is a critical difference) that is putting you just where they want you. They make money off your overpriced Quixtar purchases as well as your tools. Yes, money can be made from Quixtar, I have SEEN those checks. I was in the room when Steve Frat had his $35,000 emerald check. I held a crossline $10,000 Q12 bonus. But heed this: there is FAR MORE money in the tools. Watch the lifestyle videos. At the end they always have a fine print note that reads something to the effect of "The lifestyle portrayed in this video is due partly to the Quixtar business opportunity." The other part, Tony, is the tool business. Money is made in BOTH places. I stand for the facts, so I try not to minimize any issue.
Good luck,
from the heart,
X
JD, before I was even in the business, I had a friend of mine tell me that she had a friend that was in Amway and the detergents were very good! This friend of mine was never in the business and she was skeptical to get involved herself, but she said that she did buy the detergents from her friend and that they were very good.
My dad told me the samething. He was never in the business and told me that MLM is a real business but that it took work and not to get myhopes up. He also said that they had good detergents.
I myself do use the SA8 detergent. More bang for your buck is pretty simple. We've all seen the commercial where the women are buying fabric softner, and they keep asking "can somebody tell me how many loads are in this bottle"? SA8 might cost more than Tide, Gain, etc - but when you factor in how many loads you can do with 1 box of SA8 vs Tide, etc. its a better Value to use SA8 - if I didn't like it, I wouldn't use it! And here's the proof!! - I don't like our fabric softner, so I don't use it! I use Gain fabric softner. Why - because my sponsor told me, "you don't have to buy everything, just use what you like", and I do and I do 100+ pv evety month! If you want details on SA8 go to Qx and do a search.
Joecool> But Tony, you go to college to LEARN. People supposedly go into business (quixtar) to make money
T> not entirely true Joe - I went to college to learn, so that I good get a better paying job, to make more money! People get in this business to make $, but 1st they have to learn. What am I losing money on? Books? Seminars? Aren't I doing that to Learn?? Yea, its the samething! I'm reading the books and goin got the seminars, so I can learn, so I can be more successful... and make more money - same reason I spent $70,000 in college!!
Hey df, no you're pathetic! Why don't you post a website with pics of all you and your friends playing wiffle ball and shopping in the Virgin Islands? I won't be holding my breathe for That one.
Also, even if you have been to the Virgin Island, you don't go every year? And do you go to Hawaii every year too. Have you helped anyone Else become financially independent, so They can go to the Virgin Island and Hawaii every year too? Have you left a residual income willable down to your grandkids?? Or do you just bust your ass to make your money, with no security of having that job next year, and with no income being produced if something ever happened to you?
Not these guys, they've made it, and helped others to make it! And now those people have helped others to make it! And just like Elvis, and Ray Kroc, and Dave Thomas- they've developed reisdual income so their families are taken care of if anyhting should happen to them.
Danny Snipes was in a motocross accident and was in a coma. He was off his feet for a while, and his business still grew, they still made money, even though he wasn't out showing the plan.
And I already addressed you "ebay tool" question! I can't get "the exact same tools on ebay" - I told you, I only buy STO, and you can't get the newest CD's on ebay, so I have no interest in buying those. Now like I already told you, if I wanted to buy some old tapes, maybe I Would look on ebay, and it would be fine because my sponsor is not my boss - I don't have to ask his permission for it. See the problem with some of you critbots is you used to be the unbearable Ambots. You used to buy 7 tapes a week, never talk to your friends outside of the business, quit all your hobbies, spent all your money on tools and seminars, alienated family members, listened to everything your upline said instead of asking your upline and making your own decision... and then you got burned out, or your upline finally gave you some bad advice, and now you're trying to 'save' everyone else from this evil cult.
Well get a grip, things have changed, this business isn't a 2nd job anymore, at least my team, we teach to have fun with it, not to get burned out, not to ignore your friends, not to be overbearing - but some of you just can't let go of the old stigma... its a shame really.
And x, how many are making money?, I don't know. I don't know all heir pv levels and I don't know their expenses. As far as Qx checks go, anyone at 100 pv is making something. Now if they have expenses like books, seminars, etc. maybe their bottom line right now Is a loss, I don't know.
But I Do know that 2 years ago my sponsor was one of those guys at 1000pv only making a couple hundred bucks, and after expenses, maybe losing some. But 2 years later, after doing some work and finding the right people, and developing a Bigger Business... now he's hit over 9000pv, and is making $2500 a month!!
So was he failing before? If you're negative you'd say yes. I'd say he was working his way up. He was learning, he was growing. And now he's making it! And he's helping others make it. We're not failing, we're learning and working our way up. So no, your claim doesn't fit.
Obviously you can't have a Platinum with 150+ and ALL of them be Platinum too, there has to be new people working their way up. Now they can all Reach Platinum, but they do it by developing teams too, by helping a couple guys hit 2500, and a few hit 1000, etc. And the guy at 1000 did it by helping a few people hit 300, etc.
People don't join my TKD class as Blackbelts, they have to work their way up. And BTW, thats just an analogy, not a perfect 1-for-1 comparison. For all of you who would have just ignored all my above arguements and just said, "yea, but TKD isn't about sponsoring people".
Toolbox Tony, if you're going to reply to me, you're gonna do it on the board. I'm not gonna bother reposting anything here; we already know you can't even attempt to argue with me and are looking for every possible way to weasel out of it.
Now, come on, run along and pretend that all those Quixtar rules are for your benefit and that you actually "own" a real "retail or wholesale business." No real business owner needs to go to motivational meetings and "nightowls" to make their business grow. Have fun pretending that you're independent and let me know when you make a profit.
Tony,
Please go find the answers to my questions. Go an re-read the posts preceeding where I asked that (on the other thread) and see why I want the answers. Until you do that, my point stands. It takes a LOT of people losing money for one person to make money. And even if you don't buy tools, what is the gas worth to STP, do product demos, etc?
small business = small bonus = SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE
big business = big bonus = BIG NUMBER OF PEOPLE
Now, do the math and follow the dollars and cents. See where they go. It is like a funnel being sucked up the mother ship.
And about cost, I can buy Tide cheaper than SA8. If you look at all the Q price comps, they compare a small box of Tide to SA8. Basic economics, Tony, the larger the unit size, the cheaper the cost per that unit. You can buy 100 loads worth of Tide at the local Grocery store for $20.00. If you go for the 20 load size, multiply that by 5 and it is more expensive, because you bought the smaller quantity. This, Tony, is how I save tons of money. I buy club pack sizes of items from the local store. I pay $5.77 for 18 bags of popcorn. What do you pay? As Dave Severn says "It comes from the same kind of COB!"
X, thank you for the good wishes, sincerely.
I have said over and over again I Understand that money is made from tools and seminars. Money Should be made from tools and seminars. My Time and my Knowledge is worth something! When I went to college, I did not attend seminars for free! I did not get CDs or books for free!! A music CD cost $19.99! Our CDs cost $7.50! There are people paying $500-$1000 for a 1-DAY business seminar. Ours are 3 Days and cost $90!! AND ITS OPTIONAL!! Its ALL Optional!!
You can say I'm brainwashed or 'mind-controled', but I could say the samething about every HS & college student that thinks they just have to study hard and get good grades, and then they're gonna get some high paying job, that will take care of them for life.
And X for whatever reason you shunned your friends, I don't know, thats you, not me. I'm not putting you down, but 2 years, 3 years or 5 years - I'm not gonna shun my friends as long as none of them shun me.
And as for your story about Bill Britt, I absolutely don't believe it, wanna know why? Because I've seen pictures of Bill Britt with people in my upline that are not Emeralds. Some at the time of the picture weren't even Platinums yet!!
And that thing about John Crowe not associating with another lower than Emerald , I have that CD never heard that. And if so, then how did he tell Dave Dussalt at 1000pv that if he quit, he'd take his 3 legs to Platinum and Dave would never see a dime of it!
1 year later Dave and his wife were at Platinum, a year after that they were Emerald, and now 1 year later they are qualified Diamonds getting recognized this weekend at FED!!
So I'm not saying you're lying, I'm just saying what your friend of of friend told you was wrong. Bill Britt talked to my upline Platinum as a 4000pver. This is what I'm talking about. People just starting or repeating total BS, & twisting half truths to make us look bad. I will not stand for it!
Hey Tony,
The checks you saw were his year end bonus for each level. They were not each months.
I know we used the same checks..also if you do the math as the plans shows a diamond does not make 1 million dollars.
So post 12 months worth of checks not the bonus ones.
I was in the Winters group.
Don, if that is your argument, I'm not gonna repeat if again. Are you seriosuly still hung up on the rules regarding retailing over the counter, and advertising.
1st of all you Are allowed to advertise, it has to be local and it has to be approved, but some local advertising is allowed.
Now, AGAIN, for retailing over the counter. These rules are there to protect the average IBO! How can you say I avoided this, when I've Already Told you this!!
If this could be sold in grocery stores than Years ago, somebody with an in would have gotten this into a national grocery chain, and/or many local grocery chains.
If people could go to a Biggs, or Meiers, etc. and buy XS or protein bars, then it would make it nearly impossible for IBO's to retail it to individual member and clients.
I have individuals who are members or clients that buy stuff like XS or protein bars, or make-up, or gift albums. They buy it thru me because these products are exclusive thru us and can only be bought thru an IBO. Now if my members could grab a case of XS and 2 boxes of Nutrilite protein bars while they were out getting bread, milk, butter, etc.- how much more difficult is MY job at retailing the product now?
Get a clue Don! There would be no long term business - it would be a handful of IBO's who had big corporate retail accounts and then no one else.
If Ben & Jerry asked me to be an independent rep for them, and sell Ice cream, I'd say no thanks, people can buy Ben & Jerrys's Anywhere! Most people are gonna buy ice cream when they're in the store. But if somebody wants a case of XS, or Nutrilite protein bars, or a Gift Album, etc. they can only by them thru an IBO - BECAUSE the corporation has rules regarding how it can be sold Over-The-Counter at stores!!
Make sense yet Don?? Can anyone else maybe shed some light on this for Don. Doesn't anyone else get the concept here?
If I could retail it to a grocery store Don, then someone else would have already done it by now! And then people would buy it there instead of an IBO! These rules protect IBO's and the nature of the business. But your cribot mind can't see past "Rules!!" "Restrictions!!" must be BAD!!
Joecool> But Tony, you go to college to LEARN. People supposedly go into business (quixtar) to make money
T> not entirely true Joe - I went to college to learn, so that I good get a better paying job, to make more money! People get in this business to make $, but 1st they have to learn. What am I losing money on? Books? Seminars? Aren't I doing that to Learn?? Yea, its the samething! I'm reading the books and goin got the seminars, so I can learn, so I can be more successful... and make more money - same reason I spent $70,000 in college!!
Joecool> There are some differences, because what you learn in college can be transferred to other aspects of your life, much more so than what you learn from Q.
Also, most of the information you learn from Q is worthless outside of the business.
Hey ex-DD - I know the checks included bonuses! However, they were not both for the same month! The for $90,000+ was in Nov. The one for $120,000 was in December! I know he doesn't make $120,000 Every month! - but name me ONE month where You made $120,000?? Didn't think so.
Oh, and I never said the average Diamond makes $1million. I've said Repeatedly like the plan shows - the average Diamond makes $150,000/year! No tools, just Qx $!
The average EDC and above Does make close to $1mil a year though.
My upline Diamond said he makes about $50,000 a month average!
Anything else?
THIS CAME FROM A CR WRITE UP
A price study was done, and found that the SA-8 is only cheaper to use against the small boxes of Tide, purchased in a supermarket. One 9.9 lb. box of SA-8 is equal to 150 loads, and at distributor price is $25.56 (includes 4% shipping). If you use only one scoop per load (two scoop are recommended for hard water), the price per load is $.171. The table below, shows the "Power of Buying Large Sizes" at Wal-Mart. Sure, if you are stupid enough to buy the 10 load box at Publix grocery store for almost $.32 per load, then you can save money with SA-8 at $.171 per load. Buying Tide at Publix is almost 87% more expensive than the SA-8. If you really want to save money, buy the 23-lb pack at Wal-Mart for $.119 per load and save 43.4% over the SA-8. Even with the smaller 5.75 lb box at Wal-Mart, you can still save 10.7% over the SA-8, and you don't have to buy as many loads as the SA8 gives. If you buy the USA Detergents brand liquid, you can get down to $.093/load, or a savings of 45% over the SA8. Anyone who thinks they can retail SA-8 will be hopelessly uncompetitive at $.206 per load (no shipping included). In addition, the retail mark up is only 20.7% (16.7% if the distributor absorbs the 4% shipping). The markup is just 2/3 of their widely touted 30% "immediate profit", and this is one of the famous Amway core products! (these prices may not be up to date and are for illustration only)
You are so wrong Joe, and I can't belive you made it to 4000pv with that viewpoint.
Didn't you ever read "Personality Plus"? Did you ever read:
"The Magic of Thinking Big" or
"The Choice", or
"Bringing Out the Best in People", or
"How to Win Friends & Influence People", or
"5 Love Languages"??
How you can be in a positive atmosphere, reading books like these, learning general success principles, and think that none of it could be applied in daily life!
Joe, I don't have time, all I can say is: I'm sorry you weren't on the same team as me.
Tony,
If your upline diamond makes $50,000 a month, I challenge you to break that down into math.
For example, 6 directs, the diamond would get the founder's bonus od about $600 a month for each direct. That would be $3,600 a month, or $43,200 per year. Additionally, if your upline diamond also has Q12 side volume 7500PV = 22,500 BV, then that's another $5625 per month, or
$67,500 per year. Thus with 6 directs and his own side volume, this diamond would make $110, 700. Add is the diamond bonus, emerald bonus, etc, this diamond might make about 150K to 200K, and that's if he and his directs are all Q12 (Very rare). This still does nto come close to the $50 per month he is talking about.
Care to explain where the rest comes from?
Tony> You are so wrong Joe, and I can't belive you made it to 4000pv with that viewpoint.
Joecool> Conversely, I can't believe you
haven't made it to 4000 PV yet, since you seem to be driven and motivated to succeed in the business.
I read most of those books Tony. Some of them I read in college. I originally had planned to get my law degree but I ended up with a BA in psychology and a MA in education. Some of the books have useful information but a lot of the information is not useful outside of the business.
Poorhouse Tony: I can't believe that you read "How to Win Friends..."
Your expletive-ridden tirades here have done just the opposite!
Or, do you save that 'side' of you for your prospects. If so, that makes you an insincere, two-faced liar.
To answer your question, I ususally take one big trip (USVI, HI, Cancun, Jamaica)
a year. And I do a bunch of other small trips. I enjoy my time with my spouse and, when we bring them, my kids.
Did I help get anyone there? Outside of my family....? No.
It really isn't my responsibility to get anyone to the USVI.
Conversely, let me ask you this.
Is it okay to help 1 person get to the USVI at the expense of 1-14,000 people?
I DON'T THINK THAT IS RIGHT !!!
Because, those 'helped' by your company comes at the expense of those 'hurt' by the system (i.e. those who have lost their financial or physical health, those who have lost their marriage and/or kids, those who have lost their friends' respect and/or self-respect).
Is that worth a wiffle ball game in the USVI.
NOPE!
But in your brainwashed world, it might be justifiable.....
To which I would also say: That extreme freedom website is all about spending money, not helping people. Where is the section showing these big pins giving to charity or any semblance of stewardship???
Its a sham and deep down inside, you know it !!!
P.S. Do you really want to see my vacation pix? What kind of weird fetish is that???
Tony,
You can not under any circumstances tell me unequivicolly what you will or will not do in 2, 3, or 5 years. People change in time. And this system continues to change you into a battery source for their hot cars and free trips. You are the proverbial battery like in the Matrix, one of thousands of people feeding the chain unaware of what you are doing. You may, MAY one day become one of them in which case you will have to sleep every night with the thought that many people are now feeding YOU in a never ending chain.
I have hundreds of those CD's and Tapes, Tony, at least with the music industry I buy tapes with different songs. There are so many tapes and they only boil down to about 7 overlapping types of tapes, each of which contain the same material. You are paying over and over again for material that you already have!
BTW, the Britt statement came directly from that person in a night owl and was confirmed by the upline emerald who SAW IT HAPPEN!!
And the John Crowe tape, like I said, I am not sure if that is the tape or not, but I have it somewhere. PR, Tony, all your jaz is about PR. How do they LIVE is what I am driving at.
As for your high school kids and mind control, no, Tony, that is not mind control. Go and study this topic. Mind control is when a pattern of devices is employed to slowly change the course of your own thinking by your own choice into a group dynamic for the betterment of the employer of the system, i.e. the kingpins. Your negative view of college is a key sign to me that you are being controlled by this system because college, Tony, works. Look at the stats.
Thank you, df! You "stole" my line. :-)
Tony> "...you see while back, when I tried having civil debates about the business here".
Well, I've been following QBlog for a loooong time, and even went through as many archives as I could. Tony, there is absolutely nothing "civil" in the way you have been communicating from the very start.
Just listing those fine people-skill and self-improvement books is not enough. Please try reading *AND* heeding them for just once.
Oh, and forget the prospects! If your downline saw these postings from you and knew that it was you who wrote them, they'd quit or transfer faster than you could spell your fake name "Tony".
Thanks, df, for bringing us full circle to the topic--Extreme Freedom's crass, almost ancient Romanesque embrace of material excess. (They even show people in buffet lines on cruise ships, showing big, dripping kabobs to the camera like trophies.) It is all about the Benjamins, which is how they lure suckers into their scene. And yeah, I bet your vacation pix are cooler than Extreme Freedom's, too.
Hey Tony,
Who is your diamond? He does not make $50,000 of the Quixtar system.
Your education system creates .0017% success rate(go see the figures on amquix info where a college professor ran the numbers)
The real world has a 1% rate of millionaires.
It the education system in Quixtar is so good why is it not producing more than a 1% ratio?
For your information I was on the inner circle of the winters group and heard the backstage talk information I am sure you are not or have been privy too or you would not be talking like you are.
read your 6-4-2 plan again...dex does not make 50k a month off his diamondship pv.
The bonuses are paid in November and December..thats why there were 2 months worth of checks.
THe bible says to look at the fruit of the tree..
the world system produces 1% millionaires verses .0017% in Quixtar,
Actually there have been no North American Quixtar diamonds..ones that got in after the launch..but I will even give 1 diamond.
so actually Quixtars succes rate of new diamonds is .000001%
Tony> 1st of all you Are allowed to advertise, it has to be local and it has to be approved, but some local advertising is allowed.
DI> Well, that's good to hear. What kind of advertising is acceptable to be "approved" and what do you mean by "some"?
Tony>These rules are there to protect the average IBO! How can you say I avoided this, when I've Already Told you this!! If people could go to a Biggs, or Meiers, etc. and buy XS or protein bars, then it would make it nearly impossible for IBO's to retail it to individual member and clients.
DI> What I'm saying is that the excuse that it's there to "protect the average IBO" is BULLSH*T.
First, buying from an individual IBO would ALWAYS be cheaper than buying from a store. Second, a LOGICAL restriction would be that an IBO can only sell to LOCAL retail stores (like with the advertising). Third, why would IBOs want to retail to individuals, when retailing to stores is how you make VOLUME. You want to make money don't you?
Listen, Tony, when we started our REAL business, there were already plenty of people on the market with similar goods and services. That did NOT stop us from having a successful business. Likewise, there are hundreds of grocery stores in the city, and there are also many supermarkets. Guess what! They all happily coexist. So your argument about one IBO having his goods in grocery stores and pushing out the other ones is likewise BULLSH*T because IBOs can always compete for contracts with said stores. It's called free enterprise: offer a grocery store some XS for a cheaper price, and then you got the contract and not the other guy!
What I'm saying is that this individual method of selling stuff is highly INEFFICIENT and is not conducive to making large sums of money. You may say that those commie rules are there to protect you, but I say that I'm not going to hang around coffee shops like a complete loser and try to sell crap to people I don't know. That's why Quixtar is not a business for any serious businessman.
What you're not understanding, Tony, is that if IBOs could sell through third parties, they would make a lot more money and a lot more volume than they do with these rules. And they could compete between each other, just like they do now. But apparently, you're satisfied with selling XS to ten people per month instead of a thousand. But that's 'cause you don't know the first thing about succeeding in business, and guess what: those nightowls aren't gonna help.
So tell me Tony: Is Quixtar really free enterprise like they claim?
And why can't bars display the XS logo? How does this "protect the IBO?"
Tony, don't listen to these critbots my man. Look at the golf course. How far is the hole? How many obstacles in between? Water, sand, trees. Now these critbots will say odds are 0.000014% of just getting near the hole and 80% chances of getting in the water etc. etc.
But look at the pros. 2,3 shots and par.
Get a lesson from a pro, you'll be doing birdies in same couse in few months.
see, there is a difference between analyzing and doing.
And who is more qualified to give you financial advice? Some one making 90k / month or.....
What did I tell you guys about hitting Ctrl-Alt-Del on Tony's brain? Now he's back on those checks again.
I didn't request the checks because I have no reason to doubt they exist. I've seen the jpg's of fifth generation xeroxes of big checks plenty of times. Neither have I ever said nobody is making money outside of tools. 373megabux went somewhere last year, duh. The thing is, like 90% of it CAME from you guys in the first place.
So this guy had a couple of really big ones to wave around. We've already been through how many zero checks it would take to average that 120kilobux down to $115 (1042 of them!) Reckon there were a couple of one-time bonuses inflating those two? Why doesn't he wave last month's check around? He claims to be making $50k/mo, how much EXCLUDING TOOLS? Is this guy even in qualification as a diamond anymore? How would you know? The tools are still the big cash cow, especially for the little non-qualifying-diamond kingpin wannabe's.
That big check that inspires you so much just shows how much you're getting screwed. You and hundreds of others like you are basically just giving this guy money in the hope someday you'll be able to find that many suckers for yourself to participate in these cheesy tasteless videos.
How about that number of people out of 150 showing a profit? You want to weasel the definition of losing around to say they're "building" or "investing" so they can be in profit later, well guess what? The proportions don't change. If there's 1 out of 100 in profit now, for each of those other 99 to get into profit is going to take another 99 to lose for them. It will always be a raw deal for almost everybody in it, forever and ever until you run out of people to con either by actually running out of people or by everyone realizing it's a scam.
I can't wait until my next trip, I'm going to get my picture taken on a beach in the middle of Canadian winter just to prove that the life DF has posted about is more common that the Quix-bots would have you think.
LOTS of people have good lives with little worry about money. It's called financial prudence, working hard, and not being stupid with money.
I'm glad you went to a game with your dad Tony.
Hmmmm.... the only person on this board "jealous" of the Extremely Insecure - Fragile Ego Team wiffleball league is Tony the One Trick Pony.
Though it was funny how hard the "team" tried to convince themselves that they were having so much "fun" attempting wiffleball.
Soon we'll get all the "Peter Island is the greatest... (insert superlative term here)" rhetoric again.
Dang, couldn't go to Peter Island this year - went to world's biggest island instead.
Magic of thinking big, you know.
Tony, here is picture of me. JOB dude
http://tinyurl.com/b9wpd
I found the xmas party at the weirs very interesting. The christmas carol playing with a sinister tone in the backgorund and what happened at the end?? At first I thought they were all being kicked out at party closing time, then I realised they were being herded into a conference room for yet another meeting/rally.
Hey what an exciting party!!!!
Imran, the water in your picture is not turquoise. In fact, it's not even blue. And the tapes say it must be, so no good... :-)
Tony sent Qblog a couple of copies of bonus checks. I think it was for $90K and $120K. Tony later said his upline diamond makes about $50K per month, all from Quixtar. (Tony, correct me if this is wrong).
So this "diamond" makes 50K per month, which supposedly proves that the business works.
What is missed here is that most of that quixtar bonus comes from the purchases made by the diamond's group. Since retailing is not the focus of the group, the group is basically supporting the fabulous lifestyle of that diamond.
Tony says their group does retailing workshops and clinics. That's a good start, but unless these workshops and clinics result in the majority of the volume moved by the group, then it's still the group supporting the diamond with their jobs.
Yes, at some point, another diamond may emerge from the pack, but unless that group is getting most of their volume from retailing, the result is the same with the group supporting the diamond.
Quixtar may be legal, but it is still similar to a pyramid because the masses are supporting the few at the top. I know Tony made the statement that those newer IBO's (translated as those on the bottom) are simply paying their dues and working their way up. That may be true but with the low number of diamonds turning up in quixtar, it still the masses supporting the few diamonds (with their jobs).
To me it's pretty clear. Unless the majority of income is from customers outside of the system, then it's inevitable that the masses MUST fail in order for few to succeed.
Events in the system are alway very interesting to experience. I remeber Don and Lori Lyyod and Garry and Lisa Sadden put on this Christmas Party one year for all of thier teams.
I loved how charged everyone to get in. I can't remember the exact amount but I know it was $15-$20 per person. They rented a community hall(cheap?). There were about 150 people there and the price was just for admission, it didn't even include food.
They had one of Don's kids using a ghetto blaster playing out corny music. Don and Garry LOVE to hear themselves talk. I remember after the little dance they talk for 8 hours about nothing. They talked about thier kids, go diamond and how all the guys should think real hard over the Christmas break if they want to be a real man the next year and go platium.
Great talk by two guys who one of them had to go back dry walling and the other is now flogging cell phones out of the back of is van.
What comes around goes around. That phrase in this scam is so sweat!
from Tony:
"If Ben & Jerry asked me to be an independent rep for them, and sell Ice cream, I'd say no thanks, people can buy Ben & Jerrys's Anywhere! Most people are gonna buy ice cream when they're in the store. But if somebody wants a case of XS, or Nutrilite protein bars, or a Gift Album, etc. they can only by them thru an IBO - BECAUSE the corporation has rules regarding how it can be sold Over-The-Counter at stores!!"
Yeah, but there are millions of IBOs that I can buy those Nutrilite protein bars or Gift Albums from.
Don Incognito wrote:
"What you're not understanding, Tony, is that if IBOs could sell through third parties, they would make a lot more money and a lot more volume than they do with these rules. And they could compete between each other, just like they do now. But apparently, you're satisfied with selling XS to ten people per month instead of a thousand."
What you're stating here, Don, makes 100% absolute sense in the real business world; but you're forgetting, though, that quixtar is all about making money "franchise style" through illegal pyramiding.
Tony would rather sell to 10 people, because he then teaches those people to sell to 10 people, who each teach 10 people to get another 10 people each and so forth.
Throw the tools scam in, and now you have cooked yourself up a kingpin at the top of the heap raking in the cash from all of the other suckers underneath him that are doing all of the work.
Too busy at my JOB to even begin to answer all this stuff - if you really had a question and want an answer either repost it or email me. tonyqibo@yaoo.com
1st of all, all this talk about the group supporting the Platinum or the Diamond. The work being done by the guys on the 'bottom', supporting the guys on the top...
guys, what do you think happens at a corporation? Isn't your bosses' boss making More than you!! Isn't the CEO of most Fortune 100 companies making in the millions? And the majority of the work being done in the company is from the little guy making less than $50,000!
If you think your boss or CEO isn't making money off the work You do - you don't understand how businesses work!!
And to the people who think that all the Emeralds & Diamonds on the Extreme Freedom Team website are showing off, or bragging etc.- you're narrow-minded. This site is just to show the 'fruit on the tree'. Its just to show some of the stuff you get to do when you build it big.
Doug and Amie Weir didn't charge people to get into their Christmas party. And when Joe Markiewicz rents out that baseball stadium every year, he doesn't even charge admission, Anyone can come and watch for Free!! I'm sorry some of you had a bunch of tight-@ss fake upline. The people on this team are real!
And just because they show clips of ladies shopping trips, and fast cars, and trips to the British Virgin Islands, doesn't mean they're just about that. They DO give to charity, they do like helping people. But what do you expect them to show, them writing checks to Mercy Ministries, then giving money to the Salvation Army. If they had clip sof that how many people would be b!tching about that?? Calling them pious, etc.
A site like this (like an Open meeting) has to be a the lowest common denominator - money and lifestyle. At an Open you don't start talking about spirituality and helping your fellow man - you talk about making extra money and the choices it gives you. This site simply shows some the things these guys get to do.
And also, at the end of the Weir party clip, they weren't going into 'another meeting'! They were going into their Theatre Room to watch a movie!!
Oh and Joe a 4% bonus off a Platinum these days is about $800, and if he's a Ruby thats $1600. And don't forget DGI, Diamond Growth Icentives. My Diamond has been a Diamond for like 10 years, his 1st time bonuses are long gone so that month that was $120,000 did not include any 1 time bonuses.
This guy's got good structure - he actually retired at Ruby! $50,000 a month is only a little more than a half mil a year. The Average Founders EDC is making over $720,000. So I really don't care if you believe he makes over a half Mil or not. He still lives in a $2mil home, still has a $50,000 boat. And how do I know he's still qualified, cause you have to be Qualfied to go to Peter Island! How do I know Joe M is still qualified?- cause in 3 days he and Mary Beth will be recognized on stage as New DOUBLE DIAMONDS!!
And Don, I don't even have time to repeat agian what I've said, you just don't get it. You mentioned offering to lower the price to get the account, well you can't go below the IBO! If I was selling to a local grocery store, I'd be selling it to them at my price and then just be making money on the volume! So how would a new IBO undercut MY price when I got in there 1st and gave them the lowest possible price?
So think about what you're saying. Let's say IBO's can retail Anywhere. So I go to several local grocery stores, and maybe just some local Walmarts, or Meier's... and then other IBO's do the samething. They set-up accounts with local grociers and the some big stores in Their area. Now every store or 1000's of stores are selling XS, and Protein bars, etc.
How are new IBO's gonna retail to individual members and clients? They can't undercut the price to their clients cause of shipping. And they can't undercut the price to the stores cause the IBOs that got there 1st already gave them the best price!!
If it was allowed to work like this the business would not be long term, and it would have to be a pyramid cause it would be nearly impossible to retail the products to customers. If you can't understand this, I'm sorry, but it doesn't really matter - cause you're not the one making the rules.
Quote : "This guy's got good structure - he actually retired at Ruby!"
So he's not working his business any more? I thought he upline from you.
Tony,
I would like to commend you on your last post. It's a first one in a while from you that didn't involve any obscenities, cursing, or otherwise foul language. While I disagree with a lot of your points, it's nice to have an elevated discussion rather than a mud-slinging contest.
Cheers!
dj
Yea, I'm about done with this site - the stupidity is really geting old.
vm> "So he's not working his business any more? I thought he upline from you.
T> 1st of all Bill Britt is upline from me too, and he's not out showing the plan.
But 2nd, when I say he retired at Ruby that means from his JOB! He worked in Engineering and was also in medical school at UNC. At Ruby he retired from his job!
Doug Weir used to work for IBM, and so did Joe Markiewicz. Joe retired from IBM at 28 yrs old, Doug retired at 26!!
So do you have anything worthwhile to say or do you just like asking senseless questions that you think prove me wrong?
Tony> nd Don, I don't even have time to repeat agian what I've said, you just don't get it. You mentioned offering to lower the price to get the account, well you can't go below the IBO! If I was selling to a local grocery store, I'd be selling it to them at my price and then just be making money on the volume! So how would a new IBO undercut MY price when I got in there 1st and gave them the lowest possible price?
DI> Tony, no, I understand it perfectly. Remember, I'm looking at this from the viewpoint of an actual business owner, not an IBO with no business sense. Only an idiot who doesn't understand business would be selling their products at cost. You just showed that you are that idiot. End of discussion.
Tony> So think about what you're saying. Let's say IBO's can retail Anywhere. So I go to several local grocery stores, and maybe just some local Walmarts, or Meier's... and then other IBO's do the samething.
DI> Tony, I conceded that Qx could have limitations on selling to nationwide chains. So quit repeating that, moron. Read my posts more carefully.
Tony> How are new IBO's gonna retail to individual members and clients? They can't undercut the price to their clients cause of shipping.
DI> Everyone has to pay shipping, even the IBOs who'd sell to stores, so shipping is irrelevant. Store-bought XS would STILL be more expensive than IBO XS.
Tony> And they can't undercut the price to the stores cause the IBOs that got there 1st already gave them the best price!!
DI> Well, if the IBOs are idiots who sell at cost, but in a real distribution business, that would not happen. That's another reason why Qx isn't a real business. However, individual IBOs would still have cheaper product because they don't have the grocery store's markup! Forget about that one, smartass?
And dont ignore my direct questions, moron:
Is Quixtar really free enterprise like they claim?
And why can't bars display the XS logo? How does this "protect the IBO?"
Hey dj, like I've said before - when people are civil with me, I'm civil with them. I came on here back in like March and was 'professional', sympathetic, but after the constant bashing from critics that wouldn't listen to Any of my points and were blinded with skepticism or anger from a bad expereince, I got tired of it. I started getting bashed for everything.
Suddenly I was Tonybot, and Poorhouse Tony, nobody cared that I wasn't like Their upline. I never told any of my guys to break-up with their girlfriend, I never tried to steal a downline's group, i never told anyone they Had to buy CD's etc. I defended what I think to be a good business and an Awesome team of people and all I got was CRAP! So when I get sh!t from little punk critbots like df, and rocket, and prasad, and whoever else wants to be stupid that week - I give it right back to them!
Honestly, I'm really geting tired of making the same arguments to the new breeds of critbots that discover this site each month. I think after FED you won't be seeing much of me, cause I'm gonna focus more on what I can do to further my business and helping the people on my team, and less about some jack@ss who's mad at ME, cause his friend spends less time with him.
Don, I sh!t out smarter pieces of Cr@p than you!! (Sorry dj, had to get that out, but I feel much better now - ate lunch and cooled off some)
To answer your question, the corp. has a rule about selling and displaying the products. Why a bar can't display the XS logo, I don't know, I'll ask Scott Koon (pres. of XS) at FED this weekend.
Is Qx really free enterprise? YEA, it is!! Just becuae there are rules and guidelines doesn't mean its not free enterprise! If I wanted to sell watches on the corner, or open a restaurant there are MANY rules and guidelines I Have to follow! Its still Free Enterprise!!
DIpsh!t> "Only an idiot who doesn't understand business would be selling their products at cost. "
T> No! Only a dipsh!t who doesn't understand This business would make that statement!!
Do you understand that we get PAID on volume, not just retail markup on products. That means I can allow a bar to buy XS at MY cost, and I STILL make money.
Let's go with Your example of IBOs being able to sell anything, anywhere. So let's say I've got a few grocery stores, a few bars, and a few restuarants selling XS, protein bars, or whatever, and total they buy 7500pv worth of stuff. Let's say I allow ALL of these establishments to buy it at MY price. So while I make NO profit off the top of each item - I still get paid for the volume from Qx! I'm still @ the 25% bracket and if 100pv = 250bv, then 7500pv = 18750bv! So my 25% bonus is over $4600 a month!!! Who's the idiot now Donny boy?!?
DIpsh!t> Tony, I conceded that Qx could have limitations on selling to nationwide chains. So quit repeating that, moron. Read my posts more carefully.
T> No, Don read MY posts more carefully and you might catch the concept! Whats the difference if Qx always selling to local grocer's but not national ones? If they're gonna allow the sale of XS in CASES at grocery stores, what's it matter if the store is local or a chain?? If they allowed it at local stores, they'd Have to allow it at big chains too! But even if they Did allow it at locally owned stores, but not national chains, whats the end affect. You STILL have stores ALL OVER the country selling stuff in the case!! QX is in every city/state in the country! IBO's selling to local grocery stores all over the nation is the same any National grocier selling it!!
DI> Everyone has to pay shipping, even the IBOs who'd sell to stores, so shipping is irrelevant. Store-bought XS would STILL be more expensive than IBO XS.
T> wrong AGAIN! Don, did you know just 37 12-packs of XS gets you Free shipping. Even if a store only bought 35 cases and paid the Max of $24 shipping, that's less than $1 for case!! A store could buy XS for $20.40 a case, and then sell it for $2 a can!
If I sold it to a client for retail its gonna be $23.99 ($2/can) Plus shipping! Even a Member buying a case is gonna pay $20.40, plus $4-$5 shipping! You saying "store XS would be more expensive than IBO XS" is just frickin WRONG!! And it shouws that you DO NOT understand what the h#ll you're talking about!
DIpsh!t> However, individual IBOs would still have cheaper product because they don't have the grocery store's markup! Forget about that one, smartass?
T> "Don, you ignorant slut". Why don't you look into what the average grocery store mark-up is. A store buying XS at $20.40 and then marking it up to $23.99 is a much higher mark-up than most of the other stuff they have!
Quote : "But 2nd, when I say he retired at Ruby that means from his JOB! He worked in Engineering and was also in medical school at UNC. At Ruby he retired from his job!"
This is not retiring, it is changing jobs. There is nothing wrong with that, just don't misrepresent it.
Tony> 1st of all, all this talk about the group supporting the Platinum or the Diamond. The work being done by the guys on the 'bottom', supporting the guys on the top...
guys, what do you think happens at a corporation? Isn't your bosses' boss making More than you!! Isn't the CEO of most Fortune 100 companies making in the millions? And the majority of the work being done in the company is from the little guy making less than $50,000!
If you think your boss or CEO isn't making money off the work You do - you don't understand how businesses work!!
Joecool> Tony, the difference is that in a corporate structure, the workers all get a paycheck. With that real money, they are able to pay their bills, buy food, cars, etc.
You work for the company you get paid.
In quixtar, the diamonds are making their fortunes, not because of the business efforts of the downline. The downline are making the diamonds rich with money from their JOBS.
Tony, if you don't believe me, I challenge you to answer this simple question.
Let's say that the IBO's were all unemployed and they only had enough money for the sign up kit and to buy one month's worth of 100PV. Now the only way these IBO's could make money and creat volume is to retail. Tell me if the business still works?
I bet the diamond would soon be at the welfare office in this scenario.
Poorhouse Tony> "I think after FED you won't be seeing much of me, cause I'm gonna focus more on what I can do to further my business..."
REALLY? Is that a threat or a promise ???
Tony> To answer your question, the corp. has a rule about selling and displaying the products. Why a bar can't display the XS logo, I don't know, I'll ask Scott Koon (pres. of XS) at FED this weekend.
DI> You do that Tony. Free enterprise my ass.
Tony> Is Qx really free enterprise? YEA, it is!! Just becuae there are rules and guidelines doesn't mean its not free enterprise! If I wanted to sell watches on the corner, or open a restaurant there are MANY rules and guidelines I Have to follow! Its still Free Enterprise!!
DI> Once again, Tony demonstrates his complete ignorace of the concept of free enterprise. Your "rules to protect the IBO" are the ANTITHESIS of free enterprise because they SQUASH HEALTHY COMPETITION. What they do is reduce all IBOs to the lowest common denominator of selling to individuals. Such artificial equalization is COMMUNISM not FREE ENTERPRISE.
There may be rules to follow when you're opening a restaurant, but there are no rules saying you can only sell food to the poor customers. Same thing for the watch stand. Your comparison is flawed, moron.
Tony>Who's the idiot now Donny boy?!?
DI> You are, because you are artificially reducing your income. A smart businessman would be making money from both the bonus and markup.
Tony>IBO's selling to local grocery stores all over the nation is the same any National grocier selling it!!
DI> Right, moron, and in a free enterprise system, IBOs can compete over grocery store contracts rather than individual buyers. This way, you get more volume. Volume=money.
Tony> You saying "store XS would be more expensive than IBO XS" is just frickin WRONG!! And it shouws that you DO NOT understand what the h#ll you're talking about!
DI> No, moron, once again you've failed the reading comprehension exam. What I've been saying all along is not Qx directly selling to grocery stores, but IBOs selling to grocery stores. Thus the grocery store buys at the price that the IBO dictates, resulting in the grocery store's price being more expensive than the IBO's.
Furthermore, those stores would sell piecewise, not by cases (you idiot). Ever see a gas station selling Red Bull by the case? No, they get it in a case of 24 at Costco for $1.39 per can and mark it up to $2.10 a can. That's profit, and that's why it's more expensive at the gas station. Now replace "Costco" with IBO. Do you understand what I'm getting at? Then the neighboring gas station can get its stuff from a different IBO. That's called COMPETITION, and that's called FREE ENTERPRISE, and not this Communist bullsh!t that you're pushing.
In the end Tony, you can insult me all you want, but I'm making money and you're not. So have fun defending your "business" while you're running like a hamster in a wheel with no results.
Ironically, they have a function called Free Enterprise Day (FED).
If you break down the business, it's a "distributor business" where you supposedly move products from factory to the end user.
The problem is that the distributor is basically the end user. So in my post above, if all the IBO's only used retail profits to buy their next month's PV and tools, the diamonds would quickly go broke.
Anyone care to debate that position?
Poorhouse Tony> Why a bar can't display the XS logo, I don't know, I'll ask Scott Koon (pres. of XS) at FED this weekend
Excellent Tonybot! Way to hold yourself accountable. It's strange to admit, but I'm impressed.
We look forward to your results. Then again, if you come back empty handed, then we all know that it is the same old phoney-baloney-Tonybot that we've come to know and despise.
Have fun flushing your $$$ down the toilet at FED!!!
BIG TONY: "Honestly, I'm really geting tired of making the same arguments to the new breeds of critbots that discover this site each month. I think after FED you won't be seeing much of me, cause I'm gonna focus more on what I can do to further my business and helping the people on my team, and less about some jack@ss who's mad at ME, cause his friend spends less time with him."
Honestly, we won't hold our breath - you've stated at least three other times you were leaving this blog - so why should we believe you now?
Just another one of your inconsistancies - such as:
You first had a "B.S. in Business Administration"
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-then-
a "B.A. in Business Management"
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a "Business Degree working as an Engineer making 50 G's"
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a "Business Marketing" graduate
Choose one, please
How about TKD?
First you knew someone who has a school - then you are a teacher there - now you own a school.
Lawnmowers??
First, you "just bought a lawnmower with free shipping!!" - then when someone tried to find that mower it became "I bought it last year" - then the free shipping became 12 dollars.
How are we to believe someone who can't remotely stick to one story??
I haven't seen anyone here blame YOU for whatever one of their friends has done in Quixtar - stop projecting your insecurities onto others, grow some balls, and get over yourself.
You're just now going to "focus" on growing your business??!! Shouldn't have you been doing that for the last two years instead of arguing with people here?
Your "expert opinion" is worth the same as how much you've made in Quixtar.
ZERO!!!!!
Thank you for the clarifications regarding the diamond. It doesn't serve any purpose to argue without the facts. You just always made sure to point out that the 120k was exclusive of tools, but if you ever said such a thing about the 50k/mo I missed that. Sounds like this guy's raking in the big money, and tools on top. Good for him. Not for anyone else, just him. Certainly not for you. You're still distracted by the sideshow (the "business") which exists as a pretext for what's really going on, which is: this guy's getting all this money because you and people like you are just GIVING it to him, in the hope that maybe someday you'll get to the same position.
Now, I've been a con probably since before you signed up, and I venture to say I've seen a lot more of your ilk than you've seen of mine. Rare indeed is the pro that comes along to say something that hasn't been refuted many times over. You're not an exception. The "points" you think you've "made" are generally either invalid or irrelevant, the analogies fallacious. They've all been proven so over and over, since long before you came on the scene. You just refuse to understand, and you're not an exception there, either.
We don't need to convince you, we just need to make more sense than you do, to someone who hasn't already drunk the Koolaid.
Case in point: Say I'm working for a corporation, and there's some "boss" at the top of it taking home a really nice paycheck. I'm not working to "make him rich", I'm working because he's paying me fairly to do something he needs done. He wouldn't have gotten where he was by paying people more than what they do is worth, and if he tries to pay less, they'll do it for someone else. I don't begrudge him the benefits; he's the one that took the risk starting the business. Now, YOU, on the other hand ARE working to make your boss (diamond) rich, and YOU'RE PAYING HIM for the privelege. In fact, if you weren't just handing money over to him, he wouldn't be GETTING rich. It's that old, tired, well-refuted "mine is NOT a pyramid and besides everyone else's is a pyramid too (stamp feet and pout)" fallacy.
The term "tapespeak" is just a metaphor for the things that get said over and over with tiresome predictability by every new pro that shows up, regardless whether they actually appear on a tape somewhere. In most cases they probably are on one tape or another, as these guys tend to repeat themselves and each other a lot. That's why statements get called "tapespeak" and the people that say them get called "bots". Nothing personal.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not mad and I don't hate you. Those would be emotional reactions, and I have basically no emotional stake in this at ALL. If I were being hyperbolic I might say you were delusional, but a more realistic assessment is "seriously misinformed". If you do change your focus after FED, it would certainly be less misinformation to have to correct, but then you'd be out trying to defraud others into your scam. I know you mean well, but the road to hell is well paved already. Just saying...
1st I'd like to say I would've replied yesterday, but Qb blocked me. Seems some of you guys (df) can be brash and fulgar, but when a Pro-Qx does it - he gets banned.
Joe18> Let's say that the IBO's were all unemployed and they only had enough money for the sign up kit and to buy one month's worth of 100PV. Now the only way these IBO's could make money and creat volume is to retail. Tell me if the business still works?
T> what a dumb ### question?? Where do you get the $$ to shop where YOU shop Joe?? Let's say EVERYONE was unemployed, and had no money, how much money is WM and biggs gonna make?
No one ever said you had to buy your stuff with profit from the biz.
Here, my turn to ask a dumb question:
Let's say that at your JOB your CEO told everyone that there was no money left and they had to work for free. How many of those people are gonna stay? I bet that CEO is gonna be at the welfare office, duh huh :P
DI> There may be rules to follow when you're opening a restaurant, but there are no rules saying you can only sell food to the poor customers
T> what the Heck are you talking about?
DI> A smart businessman would be making money from both the bonus and markup.
T> Sure if you can sell XS at over $1.70/can to bars or stores do it, but then someone is gonna undercut you to get the account like you mentioned above!! Eventually the store is gonna be buying at the base price!
DI> IBOs can compete over grocery store contracts rather than individual buyers.
T> right now there wouldn't be any competition you idiot! Do you know how long Alticor has been around?? Like 50 years!! Do you think any New IBO would have any shot at geting a grocery store to carry XS, when and 20 IBOs already talked to that store 4 years ago!! Let's say the 1st one offered it at a 10cent mark-up, then the next one offered it at 5cents, then finally someone offered it at cost, just to make the money on volume! Like you said Volume = Money!! Like showed above, $4600/ month!!
DI> What I've been saying all along is not Qx directly selling to grocery stores, but IBOs selling to grocery stores.
T> well NO FRICKIN POOP!! (don't wanna get blocked) When did I ever say ANYTHING about stores buying directly from Qx - talk about a lack of Reading Comprehention??? You're an imbecile.
DI> Thus the grocery store buys at the price that the IBO dictates, resulting in the grocery store's price being more expensive than the IBO's.
T> for the love of God, WHAT are you using for brains?? How can I explain this any clearer?? The IBOs would be allowing the stores to buy at the IBO cost (the base price) Just to get the volume from the account!! So if XS is $20.40 at IBO cost the stores would be buying at $20.40!! Are you with me still??
If the store just bought 37 12-packs, they'd get FREE shipping, FREE!! And like a said before even if they bought 36, max shipping is $24!!
So if the store can buy it at $20.40 and mark it up to $23.99, they're gonna make money! And if I sell it to a client its gonna cost them $23.99 PLUS $5 for Shipping!! Even my members who buy at the base price are gonna have to pay $5 shipping ($25.99), making it MORE EXPENSIVE than a 12-pack from a store! DO - YOU - UNDERSTAND??
di> Furthermore, those stores would sell piecewise, not by cases (you idiot).
T> idiot? Put the paint can down and take the bag off your head! Of course stores are gonna sell 12-pack as well!! What you can only buy Red Bull, and Pepsi buy the can?? Who's talking about Gas stations?! We're talking about GROCERY stores!! You ####! You've gotta be the dumbest person I've Ever argued with! There is no hope for you!
DIpstick> Then the neighboring gas station can get its stuff from a different IBO.
T> I've already addressed this above. If IBOs could sell to grocery stores, the accounts would already be set-up years ago! New IBO's couldn't undercut the Already lowest price! And if consumers could buy from grocery stores at the same price to cheaper than an IBO (as I've already explained!) then it would make it near impossible to retail to members & clients!!
Is there a Single critic, that understands this and that thinks Don Incoherent fell out of his cradle a few too many times. Whether you like me or not Somebody has to understand that these rules are to protect the longevity of the business to provide the opportunity for future IBOs.
Hey Tony,
I went to Joe and Dougs retirement motorcade,
I Know they make the big bucks..thats no my arguement, it is where they make them.
I made $1.00 a tape Larry Winters at the time I was in had 10,000 Standing orders and figure an extra 5000 tapes..thats weekly and if he got $1.00 a tape well...do the math.
Now on to functions:
The coliseum is free
15000 folks @ $100 = 1.5 million, I know the speaker like Paul Miller or Bill Britt would get about 300K of that and then the diamonds and emeralds split it. I had heard Larry making $400K of one function.
So Joes big house and all their lifestyle is NOT from the Quixtar plan but the ILLEGAL PYRAMID tool and meeting system Money.
You did not do the math someone asked you to do on a diamondship....It does not add up.
By the way Joe and Doug make good money off their meeting buildings they rent out..
For Ahwile Larry said Mike Bundys building was what kept him out of the poor house.
bp> You first had a "B.S. in Business Administration"
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a "B.A. in Business Management"
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a "Business Degree working as an Engineer making 50 G's"
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a "Business Marketing" graduate
T> when did I say I had a BA in Business Management? My official degree was a BS in Business Administration, with concentrations in Marketing & Management. I currently work for a Fortune 10 company in an Engineering division. So Nothing I said was untrue, [donkey!] :)
bp> How about TKD?
First you knew someone who has a school - then you are a teacher there - now you own a school.
T> once again where is the inconsistency. I do know lots of people who have TKD schools, I have helped teach at a couple, and yes, I am now the Head Instructor at my own branch school, part of the association of my Master Instructor.
Lawnmowers??
First, you "just bought a lawnmower with free shipping!!" - then when someone tried to find that mower it became "I bought it last year" - then the free shipping became 12 dollars.
T> I don't ever remember saying I got free shipping - the shipping was $11.95. Its was $180, plus shippig was Still cheaper than at Walmart, and I have owned it for almost 2 years now!
bp> How are we to believe someone who can't remotely stick to one story??
T> don't try to make me out as a liar because I refer to my degree as a BS in Bus. Adm (concentration in Mrktg), then call
myself a "Business Marketing" grad. Its frickin symantics.
bp> I haven't seen anyone here blame YOU for whatever one of their friends has done in Quixtar - stop projecting your insecurities onto others, grow some balls, and get over yourself.
T> buddy you wouldn't even know what a set of balls looks like!! I'm not projecting jack####! I'm not saying people literally blame ME, obviously I had nothing to do with what their friend did, but they blame Qx and on here I represent Qx. People Have assumed things about me. People assume that because i'm an IBO I must be overbearing, I must have alienated friends & family, that I advise people to go into debt to buy CDs and go to conferences. You critbots assume that since YOU had a cr*ppy upline (can I say cr@ppy Eric?) that we All must be the same way! Well its ######' B###S###!!
bp> You're just now going to "focus" on growing your business??!! Shouldn't have you been doing that for the last two years instead of arguing with people here?
T> I've only been arguing with you mindless critbots here for the past few months, what should you be dong, or is this your job??
bp> Your "expert opinion" is worth the same as how much you've made in Quixtar.
T> funny your opinion is worth about how much You've made in Qx as well.... only I'M gonna make a lot more!! And I'm gonna help a lot more people than you!
S#ck on that baloney!
Hey ex-DD - you were at Joe and Dougs motorcade? Did they retire on the same day? What day was it? What month was it in?
The colliseum is Free?? Riiight!
And Joe's Big house? Joe actually still lives in the house that he went Diamond in. Its a nice house no doubt, but its well below a Diamond house. I look forward to see what they buy in the future now that they're Double Diamonds!
Didn't do the math? - you can do your own math, besides I DID explain how my Diamond can make $50,000 in a month, I think bystander even thanked me for the explanation.
T> what the Heck are you talking about?
DI> I'm saying that your business isn't free enterprise. Having regulations for operation (as in a restaurant) is one thing; having rules that ARTIFICIALLY EQUALIZE THE PLAYING FIELD is another. You can defend Qx's rules all you want, but you can't have such rules and call it free enterprise. Can you get that through your head?
Tony, if one extends your logic to the greater American marketplace, then according to you, there would be no competition in the American marketplace today because every aspect of the market would already be cornered by someone. Funny, though, how competition is alive and healthy, how businesses great and small coexist, and how everyone manages to make a buck.
So why are IBOs deserving of commie rules to "even the playing field"? Is it because they are incompetent at business and can't succeed without artificial crutches like these rules? I think that's the reason.
Judging from your posts on this board, you definitely fall into the "incompetent businessman" category. So let me know when you make a profit. Until then, enjoy working for free, moron.
Oh and Tony, relax a little. The way you write on here, you sound like you're about to pop a blood vessel in your head. Calm down a bit and think about whether a company that hasn't made you any money is worth defending so vehemently.
yes I was at the retirement, Joe and Alan retired the same day. Doug retired a different day..No I do not knowthe exact day but I can email the pics to you.
Most Coliseums are free...thats why they use only certain ones. For instance Greensboro, Knoxville, Greenvilee SC are free..Charlotte is not, thus thats why they do not use it.
A city will give the coliseum free to encourage large groups to visit the city, in return they make money off parking, concessions, and hotel tax.
By the way I knew Joe when he got in, I hid at functions with him.
You still did not address the tool system money made..You overlooked the system money
Joe18> Let's say that the IBO's were all unemployed and they only had enough money for the sign up kit and to buy one month's worth of 100PV. Now the only way these IBO's could make money and create volume is to retail. Tell me if the business still works?
T> what a dumb ### question?? Where do you get the $$ to shop where YOU shop Joe?? Let's say EVERYONE was unemployed, and had no money, how much money is WM and biggs gonna make?
No one ever said you had to buy your stuff with profit from the biz.
Joecool18> Tony, you're right. In both cases, the model doesn't work. In the Quixtar diamond's business and for retail businesses like WalMart, the income made by those companies comes from the income people make from their JOBS.
This is unlike a real business where they are financed and then their overhead is paid for and profits come from customers. Yes, the customer need jobs to pay for stuff, but in the quixtar model, the IBO's are the customers. A real business can survive without the owner purchasing all the inventory. If a Mcdonald's owner ate at burger king every day, guess what? The McDonald's owner still makes money.
The bottom line is Tony, that the diamond's are getting rich off their downline's JOBS, and not from their downline's business, because there aren't enough retail sales.
Oh, and Tony, you can get a stadium or arena for free if you are able to book a huge convention where you will fill up the hotels and restaurants for a weekend.
HA HA!!! - You are such a puppet Tony! - and you don't even realize it!
About your "degree" - I put those in quotes because they are your direct quotes! Look em' up ball-less.
You'll be another useless sap at FED - But GO DIAMOND!!
DI> Oh and Tony, relax a little. The way you write on here, you sound like you're about to pop a blood vessel in your head. Calm down a bit and think about whether a company that hasn't made you any money is worth defending so vehemently.
Joecool> Tony, I agree. This site shouldn't be to get all worked up. It's obvious you have a passion for the business but it's just a site to discuss and debate issues. You made some good points, but so have many of the "critbots" here. For myself, the bottom line is that the majority of people who sign up to do this business end up with less money than they started and that was not the intention. I know it's been said many times that maybe they were lazy or whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot more people lose money than make money. Basic math proves it.
I agree as well Tony,
I know I am calm as I write. I have solid convictions based on factual proof. It appears that you have solid convictions based on nothing at all and when the proof is presented, you can't deal with it any other way than by getting frustrated (I could be wrong in all this btw), however, If a neutral observer comes to this site and sees the only pro-IBO ranting and raving with edited text swear words, is that the upstandingness they teach you? Is that any way to represent a company? Do you think that you are going to win your point by insulting someone? List the facts, if there any (or enough to merit involvment), you might consider leaving.
The facts lately appear to be:
1. The Quixtar prices, in general, are far higher than competing products for a similar, if not inferior, product.
2. For every one person who makes sufficient money to live, there are statistically multiple times more (perhaps hundreds) who are LOSING money to support those making it.
3. It would appear that the majority of the profits made by the 'higher ups' are made by the sale of tools, not products.
4. There are too many rules and restraints applied to the IBO's from the company to be considered 'Free Enterprise' or even a ligit business.
5. And my personal vandeta (or however that word is spelled) is that the business promotes a false and damning Christianity as the core to it's function.
And there are many other fact-based points, please list more if I missed them anyone.
Here's More Xanadustc:
It appears that "residual" income is a myth.
Based on the numbers of IBO's back in the 70's to now, it appears that there hasn't been any real growth in Amway/Quixtar in North America.
It appears that there are far fewer diamonds than what IBO's claim based on stats provided by quixtar itself.
It appears that Quixtar diamonds are no better than the general population in terms of marriage/divorce. When I was in the biz, they spoke of a zero % divorce rate among active couples. What happened to Howie Danzik, Bill Britt, Paul Miller, etc?
It appears that quitar has a lot of lawsuits against them. Sure, big companies all have some of these, but the quixtar suits all appear to be about unlawful practices or dispute over tools monies.
Very eloquently stated, Mr X.
By the way, the correct spelling is: vendetta.
I'd like to throw in an additional point. This concerns the issue earlier on in the thread about whether IBOs are encouraged to reject their non-IBO family / friends / acquaintances...
One of the first things I asked my would-be sponsor was: 'Is this a cult?'
The response was: 'A cult? (laughs) Yes, that's what I thought when I first saw it...'
Once again (I've raised this subject before) a quite sophisticated mind trick to lower your defences. My would-be sponsor had the self same misgivings as I did! He related to me!
It's been well documented that in the bad old days of Amway, the distributors would associate less with friends / family who did not take part.
Now, if I were in the upper echelons of Quixtar, I would be telling my IBOs to spend time with their friends / family regardless of whether they were involved. After all, by doing so one of the arguments against this particular MLM is refuted.
However, I'll wager that once one gets to the higher level, the spiel of the upline will change to:
'Well [Mr Downline] you are now a direct, do you understand the additional sacrifices that are needed now? It's time to reprioritise your free time...'
It's all a case of the more advanced information being fed to the people at the higher levels, once they are 'ready' for it.
After all, you wouldn't feed steak to a foetus, would you?
Tony> Oh, and I never said the average Diamond makes $1million. I've said Repeatedly like the plan shows - the average Diamond makes $150,000/year! No tools, just Qx $!
The average EDC and above Does make close to $1mil a year though.
My upline Diamond said he makes about $50,000 a month average!
Anything else?
Joecool> So an average diamond (6 directs) makes about $150K but an average EDC (9 directs) makes close to a million. Tony, you care to explain the math on that? It really doesn't make any sense. How can adding 3 more direct legs (average EDC) result in making more than 6 times more than an average diamond? Please explain this to me. Thanks.
from tony:
"Honestly, I'm really geting tired of making the same arguments to the new breeds of critbots that discover this site each month. I think after FED you won't be seeing much of me,"
Aw, c'mon now tony, don't let us critbots get to you.
All we are is a bunch of morons. Do you mean that you're going to let that stop you from coming on here? I mean, you're so much smarter than us.
Whatever happened to "No Quit" Tony?
You need to get your batteries recharged, Tony. Maybe you need to buy and listen to a few more rah-rah amquix tapes. I suggest at least 3 a day. Also, make sure that you attend ALL of the functions, and remember what they say - come early and stay late.
Follow my advice, big guy, and pretty soon you'll be calling all the shots around here once again - KING(PIN) TONY!!!
I never thought I'd say this - but geez, give Tony a break.
It just seems some people are just going out of their way to antagonize him.
Sure, I've been on the receiving end of some of his tirades - I remember the whole "lawnmower" deal, it was me who questioned the whole shipping thing, but that was long ago.
I've had my fun and teased him too, but enough's enough - it's just turning into one big pissing match.
In fact, of the Pro-Q people who post here, Tony would be my bet to go Emerald or Diamond. He definitely has the drive and conviction.
- On the flip side -
Tony, I think you're right when you say you need to focus more on your business.
Maybe taking a break from the blog is in order. I just don't see where reacting to every little thing the "mindless critbots" writes here gets you any closer to where you want to be.
As you stated, you have the uplines' success to follow - so, in all seriousness and not to be crass, maybe it is time to
"sh!t or get off the pot".
Be honest - you've talked a lot about what you are going to do, and have admitted you haven't really dedicated the time to build your business.
So why not now?
Food for thought. Nothing more, nothing less.
Bruce:
It is very simple, Poorhouse Tony shouldn't be here if he can't take it. He seems pretty well versed in dishing it, so he should be able to take it....
He isn't winning any arugments here, nor is he winning over any new prospects.
So, as you said, he should leave and focus on his business. He should find some hapless retard looking at video games at BestBuy and recruit him.
Those of us armed with the knowledge about Tony's business plan won't be duped.
Eventually, as these truths disseminate into the general public (see: QBlog's post about the new blogs coming out), leaving AmQuix to rely on the uneducated and/or desperate parts of our society as the next-gen. IBO.
And that will be the downfall of A/Q. It isn't market saturation, it won't be uncompetitive pricing nor substandard product. It will be an educated consumer...or....prosumer...whatever....
I think that we've just heard the last from good ole tony. The poor boy just couldn't take it any more over here.
Let's face it, if this were a boxing match, this would have been over in round 1 for him.
Well, he did outscore us in the category of most efficient use of vulgarity and abusive language....
At this point, I guess that all I can say is:
GOOD LUCK TONY WITH YOUR FUTURE QUIXSCAM BUSINESS!!!
DF said: "So, as you said, he should leave and focus on his business. He should find some hapless retard looking at video games at BestBuy and recruit him."
B - I think he want to catch a guy at Circuit City instead! :0)
Anyhow, I put in my .02 worth - I would figure the constant round and round arguing would get tiring - hence why I stopped responding to his arguments long ago.
You're right - if one is going to post here, be ready to take your lumps like evryone else.
Don't think for a second that you guys chased me off! I told you guys, I'm gonna stop wasting time and energy on here, and focus more on my job, and my business!
I agree with Bruce on both accounts - its like "some people here just go out of there way to antagonize" me... and "if you're gonna post be ready to take your lumps"!
I never cried foul, bruce was the one that said it.
mlm> The poor boy just couldn't take it any more over here.
Let's face it, if this were a boxing match, this would have been over in round 1 for him.
T> yea, says You buddy! Not to mention You're the 'poor boy'. Over in round 1? What a load of BS. Why don't you go back and re-read the 1st post of:
http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/archives/2005/06/happy_forumversary.php#comments
This was back in June. I've rebuttled every argument you guys put forth, from 70% rule to prices, to tools! You may not agree with me, thats why its called an Argument!! But sayng this was"over in the 1st round" is your biased critbot opinion.
And for the record, I never called anyone who quit a loser. I've said from day 1, that its not for everyone and just because you quit doesn't make you a loser! Someone said thats 1 of the 3 main arguments from All IBOs! Well surprise, surpirse, ANOTHER BS lie from a critic!! I NEVER made that argument!
And I outscore you guys on vulgar and abusive language?? HA! Talk about selective reading. I started out civil until you band of critbots, starting bashing me! Vulgar?? No, no, 'df' takes the ribbon on that one!! And lets not forget prasad's promotion of street violence!
Its been fun guys, but now I'm gonna go retail some more XS, get some corporate gift album accounts, and try to keep up with my 22 yr old sponsor making $2500 a month! Have fun assuming, generalizing, passing blame, twisting #'s, and throwing out hateful comments to new IBOs trying to share their personal experiences.
Oh, and check out www.thisbiznow.com - pretty cool stuff,
and you can see the gift albums at : http://www.quixtar.com/products/content.aspx?pid=2811&ctg=7017
If you don't see the value in these, I can't help you.
Hello Webrawl Guy,
Why do you sit around and criticize people? As matter of fact I am in these videos and the thing you do not realize is that you have a lack of knowledge about our Team. Our Team is not for you to analyze since you have never been apart of it in anyway shape or form. Just because you were registered in Quixtar does not give you the right to give our Team the same rap. I did not see the name Quixtar in the URL. We are sorry you had a bad experience with your run at this type of business, but obliviously you were not anywhere nearly involved with our Team or Structure in anyway shape or form.
Please remove all comments about the EXTREME FREEDOM TEAM and the linage from you webpage. I am asking nicely. Seriously, this Team weather U like it or not has done it by the Book and the Right Way! This Team is doing this for the right reason weather you like it or not. These videos are not to brag but to show people that have given up on life that fun is possible and our Team lives it. These videos show the intangibles. The only reason someone would put down people down having show much fun is so they do not have to look in there own mirror and change the person they see.
Please stop putting people down and go out and help someone over come there fears. You can not do this hiding behind a computer. The thing people love about our Team is that people are doing this all the time and you can feel it just by entering the room with a bunch of Champions, and no a bunch of Champions is not all Wealthy Diamonds and money makers they are people with a cause and a purpose bigger than themselves.
O.k I read this whole Blog and it comes down to 2 things. One is believing in hope and people or Two tearing people down and disrespecting others dream be settling to not stretch out side of what you are capable. This Team Works Guys and it is Awesome!!
Your statement about the Diamonds and Emeralds is Not Correct. Many of each are new since Quixtar launched. In our business we highlight the Tool Business and show it off and do it right. It is not to hide because if people will embrace it and use it they will be better off because of it. No other business has the solution the help people grow mentally in appositive direction. The things taught on this Team in a majority are being craved by kids all over America and the world. It is about Hope and believing in another person. This is not Bull Crap either. This is the best thing you can do with your life like other top giving and top producing profit and non profit organizations you can not classify what our Team is doing with what you did. I guarantee if you were on our Team. #1 you would have more fun than sitting there beating people up who are trying to do something for themselves and others and you would also smell better since you might use some good product because your attitude stinks.
Hi Freedom Fighter,
I think you may have a reading comprehension problem. My comments were simply "Extreme Freedom Baby!" How is that critical? How is that "putting people down?" I'm not hiding behind anything. I attach my name to this blog unlike you who choose to post anonymously. Who's really hiding?
No! And I am not about to choose a battle of words with you. Successful people post negative things on websites all day if at all since they are out helping others and accomplishing things for our families and futures. To sit around and talk about others is criticism and nobody likes hanging out with these kinds of people. I stumbled along this posting by accident which is scary in itself. I feel so bad for all of those who do stumble along it as well since they might not get a fair try at what has helped me and others in many areas including financial because of what you created. Your facts are wrong, and I am not hiding at all. I flat out do not want to have anything to do with you or this blog so I will refrain from it. Everything you do is misleading just like you saying that I need to post my details. You do this just to egg people on and after reading some of your other blogs I can others can easily see my point. This is not some kind of game like you treat it. Like I said I am sorry you got hurt, but it was not this business that hurt you. When ever you deal with people in anything you have this chance. Your best to just forgive and move on. We are helping real people with real issue and this does work and it is the best system out there and there are good if not great people doing this for the right reasons. If you want to talk about compensation go open a McDonald’s or a Subway or a Video store and then let us know how you would do or any other business looke
Tony's tool money hard at work...
Posted by: dj | August 28, 2005 6:55 AM