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August 28, 2005
Extreme Freedom!
By QBlog in A/QMOs
Extreme Freedom Baby!
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Extreme nerds!
Extreme nausea.
PW
First thought: These are the same Amway diamonds who were diamond before Quixtar. How does this show that Quixtar is so great???
Second thought: I really was offended at the video of the women shopping while their husbands looked on, bored. That's a disgusting gender stereotype, and shame on Larry Winters for furthering it. But then again, the whole BWW team is into that.
Third Thought: This is not the kind of thing that is going to convice someone to join Quixtar. Rather, it is designed to keep the troops "faithful" and "dreaming" - all the while blind to the fact that the kingpins are the only ones who live this lifestyle, while the foot soldiers spend their money and their time for nothing.
Very sad.
Last thought: the video that starts out "just another Monday".. what, like the diamonds to that EVERY Monday? I don't think so. Snort.
I agree that these amateurish videos are not going to convince anyone to join. Contrari-wise, actually. Hanging with the likes of these "successful" folks would be my nightmare, not my dream. I noticed the word TEAM in their title. Are these people affiliated with Team of Destiny, and BTW, why did they change their name to Team? Did their destinies change also? (I'm new to the blog in case this issue has previously been addressed.)
I wonder if the music accompanying the videos is original or if the copyright holder has granted permission or been compensated for its use..........
No, truebeliver. To the best of my knowledge, this group is not affiliated with TOD. Winters was "begot" by Paul Miller. Paul was "begot" by Bill Britt. Such is the "lineage" of Larry and Pam Winters. :-)
After both Paul and Bill had their respective affairs and divorces, Winters has "inherited" the support and motivation for several of the Paul's groups. What it means is that while Paul is still probably getting Quixtar bonuses on Larry's group, the system income (or the "real" income in this business) generated by those inherited groups is flowing through Larry. I am sure he still has to "feed" the mother-ship BWW (or "kick upstairs" if you're from New Jersey :-)), but I am also sure his income increased dramatically the moment Paul dropped his pants and decided to have an affair (and a child) with his secretary.
Interestingly, some groups and personally sponsored diamonds chose to stay with Paul. Do we hear "moral fiber and family values"?
Thanks, dj, for the awful truth. Nice biblical reference. Sounds like some of these guys are living according to the Old Testament (secretary=handmaiden?)--not the New.
Seriously, I did hear that TOD shortened their name, but then agian, maybe it's a splinter "lineage." Oh dear, it's not so easy to try and untangle these balls of snakes, is it?
These videos were futher proof that you don't need talent to make movies...Hollywood has known that for quite some time. They also proved you didn't need to be athletic to play baseball.
yeah, I found the shopping video to be offensive/stupid, too...
Radical Freedom
Rock AND Roll!
There are no words. The egos of these people and the fact that they are buying this stuff with the hard earned money of those who can barely afford food because they buy tools instead.....
Karma is a bitch.
First Thought:
I would SMOKE all those fools on a snowmobile!
Sorry, thats the only thing that caught my attention on that whole website.
All jokes aside and upon further pondering, it's not just the tool money from poor shmucks like Tony that has paid for these trips and lifestyle. It's you and me - the taxpayers - who are footing this bill as well.
You see, if you were ever in the business and really studied to become one of the kingpins, then you had to hear Larry's tapes on building depth. You would then know the "secret" to this business, or the "master key to riches" in AmQuix if you will. And it's that your ultimate goal as a kingpin is to stop being a "builder" (circle-drawer, cover-dish conductor, etc.) and become a "motivator", where anything you do to improve your personal lifestyle becomes the main driving force in your downline's resolve and desire to grow. You just bought a Ferrari, and 100 people go Platinum that very week. You just bought a ranch, and 250 went Ruby. You just went to Hawaii, and 1000 bought 4000PV worth of soap and vitamins. And so forth...
This was a rare event where an AmQuix diamond openly and on the record admitted that the kingpins are in the "motivational business". Well, guess what?! If a Ferrari, a ranch, and the trips are all *part* of your business model, or in fact, *are* your business tools, then you will be writing off at least a portion of their cost.
So, ChrisA, while I have no doubt that you could in fact "SMOKE all those fools on a snowmobile", you and I still paid for that trip without even getting an opportunity to outrun them.
How about them apples?
Too bad I can't post the 'barfing smiley' to
the comment section...it fits.
TnF
"How about them apples?"
I didnt pay for anything, I was never in Quixtar or Amway!! How about those apples?!! wiseass tone intended!! :)
Haha! What a bunch of jealous mf*er's! You guys are truely pathetic!! Tool money, that's All you bunch of pansies ever cry about any more!!
Do you guys remember the checks I sent to Qblog?? The ones from my upline Diamond for more than $120,000 for 1 MONTH!!! Do you guys remember that?? The average EDC and above makes about $1million from QUIXTAR - not counting TOOLS!! I think Qx $ paid for A Lot of that! Not to mention that the Peter Island trip is paid by the Corporation (no tool$) and the trip to Hawaii (Diamond Club) is Also paid by the Corporation!!
And to the 2 crybabyies offended by the shopping video! Gimmee a break!! It was a spoof of the Budweiser commercial - it wasn't about gender stereotypes! But honestly, if you polled 1000 men about how they feel about shopping with their wifes, how many are gonna say, they might be bored!? If you're married, think to yourself, think about the last time you went along when you're wife went shopping for clothes or jewelry.
The whole thing was meant to be funny. You wanna b!tch about stereotypes, why not bash The Simpsons, Married with Children or South Park. Gimme a break its called comedy.
Not to say that you can make fun of anything or any stereotype in the name of comedy - but a bunch of guys acting bored while their wives shop is hardly stereotyping, its kinda a realistic representation.
But back to the main point - these people all started at Zero with No One in their group! Just like everyone else. But then did the work to qualify for these trips.
And most of the guys in the baseball game, and the snowmobile trips are only Emeralds, most only got started After Quixtar! My upline Ruby qualified for the baseball game this year! Thats motivation!
This is priceless!!! "My upline Ruby qualified for the baseball game this year! Thats motivation!"
I rest my case.
actually Tony I don't remember the checks you ssnt to QBlog. Can you point me in the direction of them please?
If this thing worked, Tony, everyone would be there. It takes a few hundred people losing money for anyone to make a signifcant amount. Keep on priming your uplines pump.
Oh, you must be newer here. You see while back, when I tried having civil debates about the business here - many critbots blindly made accusations that no big money was made from Qx, that Diamonds only made money from selling tools and seminars. So I told every here that I had copies of checks from my upline Diamond and in 1 month just last year he had made Over $120,000!! No tool $!
People said prove it and I posted my email, and not One critbot sent me an email to see the checks. Finally 1 guy, Keith Sr asked and I showed him. Then I sent the to Qblog to prove their existence, and last I heard, no one had asked him to see 'em either.
Well he's got 'em - 1 month for over $90,000, and another month for over $120,000 - just $ from Quixtar. And for a while the cribots shut-up about tools. But now it seems they're back at it.
It's funny. Tony goes away for a few days and casually forgets all the other arguments he's been having. Nice strategy--when you're against the wall, just ignore it and everything will go away!
Oh, and dj, what are you resting your case on? That I find motivation in a guy that is personally coaching me, moving up and qualifying for trips and events? You're a moron!
And X - I disagree, it doesn't take 300 people losing money for anyone to make money. How many times do I have to explain it:
Small business = small bonus
Big Business = Big Bonsus
When my TKD school had 1 student I only made a little bit, but when it got to 4 then 8, I made more!!
When my Master Instructor only had 1 school, he only made X amount of $$, but when he opened 2 branches, then 5, then 10 - he made MORE $$.
Get it??
If you're at 100pv - you're gonna make about $7.50/month
If you're at 1000pv - you're gonna make about $250/month
and if you're at 7500pv - you're gonna make about $2500/month!
So I guess according to you, I shouldn't have gone to college since all I did for 4 YEARS was LOSE Money!!
Oh, and Don Incohorent - still waiting on that email with your weak@ss argument. Don't bother sending a link to a 100post long topic. I already told you I'm not wasting my time reading thru 100 messages looking for some argument you made. Email it or psot it here - or Shut the H#ll Up! Frickin' critbot!!
Yea, I went away for a few days... its called the weekend!! I took in a football game with my dad, spent some time with my family, spent an afternoon with my upline platinum and some crossline just having some fun, volleyball, basketball, etc. And also hung out with one of my downline at my brothers condo. (My brother is Not in the biz)
Yea, so much for all IBOs being detached from their family/friends and only associating with people in the business, and never doing anything but listening to tapes and reading books! That's why (some of) you guys are critbots!!
Tony,
I see you have chosen to have your war of words on this post.
I want to ask you a question about a subject you love...tell me about the Quixtar product SA8 laundry detergent? I here people say that it is a far better quality product than all other detergents and is affordable considering the "concentration" of the soap...I guess you would call it "bang for the buck"?
My ex-wife actually defended herself in court saying that she only bought household goods she would use anyway, like this laundry detergent and that it was comparable or better quality, or something like that.
So, sell me. Any IBOs are welcome to chime in.
Tony> Do you guys remember the checks I sent to Qblog?? The ones from my upline Diamond for more than $120,000 for 1 MONTH!!! Do you guys remember that?? The average EDC and above makes about $1million from QUIXTAR - not counting TOOLS!! I think Qx $ paid for A Lot of that! Not to mention that the Peter Island trip is paid by the Corporation (no tool$) and the trip to Hawaii (Diamond Club) is Also paid by the Corporation!!
Joecool> I don't doubt that some people make money in quixtar, but unless you can show that the diamond group is making money, the argument about the majority losing money still applies here. If this diamond has 500 people in the group losing money, the fact that the diamond makes $100K in a month means nothing.
Tony> So I guess according to you, I shouldn't have gone to college since all I did for 4 YEARS was LOSE Money!!
Joecool> But Tony, you go to college to LEARN. People supposedly go into business (quixtar) to make money. Big difference.
Poorhouse Tony> "My upline Ruby qualified for the baseball game this year! Thats motivation!"
No, that's PATHETIC.
Guess what I can play wiffle ball with my friends and I can go shopping in the Virgin Islands too.
I haven't had to "qualify" for any of that b.s.
I made it on my own by earning a good degree and getting a good job. Then I save and invest my money wisely.
Not one motivation tool was sold, not one crazy group of money-hungry zombies was joined.
Amazing isn't it ????
Also Poorhouse Tony......
You never got back to me on my question. I asked you to contact your upline regarding tools.
How did he react when you told him you wanted to buy the exact same system tools (the tools he endorses) from eBay.
How did that go over?
Where is the independence there?
Where is the extreme freedom?
Make sure you get back to me this time.
Tony,
This topic about numbers of people vs. success came up last week on Monday Reader Mail 54. I asked a question that I will ask again:
2 DIRECT QUESTIONS FOR TONY
Out of the 150+ people in your sponsors group, how many are making money vs. how many are losing money right now?
Does my claim that for one person to succeed many many more must be failing seem to fit your sponsors group?
Thanks,
X
It seems that Tony is still having trouble with the concept of profit. Obviously his groups tools are not doing a very good job of educating him about the business.
Ahh, but they don't count it as "failing" until they've quit, as long as each one has the "opportunity" to "do the work" of assembling a large enough group of people losing money to duplicate that, um... let's call it "unique"... definition of "success". As long as you keep banging your head against reality and (more importantly) feeding money into the machine, you're just as good as there, eh?
I had another thought for you Tony. This one is about friends in and out of the business.
Bill Britt will not talk to anyone who is not an emerald. Here is a quote from my former upline Platinum who approached Bill
Upline: "Hi Bill, My name is [NAME]"
Bill: "Until you are an emerald I don't care who you are" and Bill walked away.
John Crowe also claims on a tape (I don't remember which one, but I own it) that he will not associate with someone who is not an emerald. (I think it is the bigger the rose, the harder the thorn; I'll confirm this if anyone cares)
As for other leaders, I don't know off the top. I know that Dave Taylor would spend time getting to know 'fast track' people who were not quite at that level yet.
Why don't you ask your upline Diamond how many friends they have outside of the business. How many did they meet after diamond that they still now consider a good friend who chose not to get involved? How about this one: how many people does your upline Diamond consider good friends who have quit?
I have stacks of Christmas cards, thank you notes, 'you can do it' notes, etc, etc, etc. Now that I left the business, only 2 people have had the decency to call me to talk or ask what is up. I have not recieved any Christmas cards or any other communications with them. If I call or pass an email, they will respond, but they ask if I need anything so that XXX can break a pin level.
It was not until I was in the business for about 3 years that I started to shun friends who were not involved. If my calculations are correct, you have about another year or so before this could be you.
Tony, you are in a mind control system (NOT a brain wash system; there is a critical difference) that is putting you just where they want you. They make money off your overpriced Quixtar purchases as well as your tools. Yes, money can be made from Quixtar, I have SEEN those checks. I was in the room when Steve Frat had his $35,000 emerald check. I held a crossline $10,000 Q12 bonus. But heed this: there is FAR MORE money in the tools. Watch the lifestyle videos. At the end they always have a fine print note that reads something to the effect of "The lifestyle portrayed in this video is due partly to the Quixtar business opportunity." The other part, Tony, is the tool business. Money is made in BOTH places. I stand for the facts, so I try not to minimize any issue.
Good luck,
from the heart,
X
JD, before I was even in the business, I had a friend of mine tell me that she had a friend that was in Amway and the detergents were very good! This friend of mine was never in the business and she was skeptical to get involved herself, but she said that she did buy the detergents from her friend and that they were very good.
My dad told me the samething. He was never in the business and told me that MLM is a real business but that it took work and not to get myhopes up. He also said that they had good detergents.
I myself do use the SA8 detergent. More bang for your buck is pretty simple. We've all seen the commercial where the women are buying fabric softner, and they keep asking "can somebody tell me how many loads are in this bottle"? SA8 might cost more than Tide, Gain, etc - but when you factor in how many loads you can do with 1 box of SA8 vs Tide, etc. its a better Value to use SA8 - if I didn't like it, I wouldn't use it! And here's the proof!! - I don't like our fabric softner, so I don't use it! I use Gain fabric softner. Why - because my sponsor told me, "you don't have to buy everything, just use what you like", and I do and I do 100+ pv evety month! If you want details on SA8 go to Qx and do a search.
Joecool> But Tony, you go to college to LEARN. People supposedly go into business (quixtar) to make money
T> not entirely true Joe - I went to college to learn, so that I good get a better paying job, to make more money! People get in this business to make $, but 1st they have to learn. What am I losing money on? Books? Seminars? Aren't I doing that to Learn?? Yea, its the samething! I'm reading the books and goin got the seminars, so I can learn, so I can be more successful... and make more money - same reason I spent $70,000 in college!!
Hey df, no you're pathetic! Why don't you post a website with pics of all you and your friends playing wiffle ball and shopping in the Virgin Islands? I won't be holding my breathe for That one.
Also, even if you have been to the Virgin Island, you don't go every year? And do you go to Hawaii every year too. Have you helped anyone Else become financially independent, so They can go to the Virgin Island and Hawaii every year too? Have you left a residual income willable down to your grandkids?? Or do you just bust your ass to make your money, with no security of having that job next year, and with no income being produced if something ever happened to you?
Not these guys, they've made it, and helped others to make it! And now those people have helped others to make it! And just like Elvis, and Ray Kroc, and Dave Thomas- they've developed reisdual income so their families are taken care of if anyhting should happen to them.
Danny Snipes was in a motocross accident and was in a coma. He was off his feet for a while, and his business still grew, they still made money, even though he wasn't out showing the plan.
And I already addressed you "ebay tool" question! I can't get "the exact same tools on ebay" - I told you, I only buy STO, and you can't get the newest CD's on ebay, so I have no interest in buying those. Now like I already told you, if I wanted to buy some old tapes, maybe I Would look on ebay, and it would be fine because my sponsor is not my boss - I don't have to ask his permission for it. See the problem with some of you critbots is you used to be the unbearable Ambots. You used to buy 7 tapes a week, never talk to your friends outside of the business, quit all your hobbies, spent all your money on tools and seminars, alienated family members, listened to everything your upline said instead of asking your upline and making your own decision... and then you got burned out, or your upline finally gave you some bad advice, and now you're trying to 'save' everyone else from this evil cult.
Well get a grip, things have changed, this business isn't a 2nd job anymore, at least my team, we teach to have fun with it, not to get burned out, not to ignore your friends, not to be overbearing - but some of you just can't let go of the old stigma... its a shame really.
And x, how many are making money?, I don't know. I don't know all heir pv levels and I don't know their expenses. As far as Qx checks go, anyone at 100 pv is making something. Now if they have expenses like books, seminars, etc. maybe their bottom line right now Is a loss, I don't know.
But I Do know that 2 years ago my sponsor was one of those guys at 1000pv only making a couple hundred bucks, and after expenses, maybe losing some. But 2 years later, after doing some work and finding the right people, and developing a Bigger Business... now he's hit over 9000pv, and is making $2500 a month!!
So was he failing before? If you're negative you'd say yes. I'd say he was working his way up. He was learning, he was growing. And now he's making it! And he's helping others make it. We're not failing, we're learning and working our way up. So no, your claim doesn't fit.
Obviously you can't have a Platinum with 150+ and ALL of them be Platinum too, there has to be new people working their way up. Now they can all Reach Platinum, but they do it by developing teams too, by helping a couple guys hit 2500, and a few hit 1000, etc. And the guy at 1000 did it by helping a few people hit 300, etc.
People don't join my TKD class as Blackbelts, they have to work their way up. And BTW, thats just an analogy, not a perfect 1-for-1 comparison. For all of you who would have just ignored all my above arguements and just said, "yea, but TKD isn't about sponsoring people".
Toolbox Tony, if you're going to reply to me, you're gonna do it on the board. I'm not gonna bother reposting anything here; we already know you can't even attempt to argue with me and are looking for every possible way to weasel out of it.
Now, come on, run along and pretend that all those Quixtar rules are for your benefit and that you actually "own" a real "retail or wholesale business." No real business owner needs to go to motivational meetings and "nightowls" to make their business grow. Have fun pretending that you're independent and let me know when you make a profit.
Tony,
Please go find the answers to my questions. Go an re-read the posts preceeding where I asked that (on the other thread) and see why I want the answers. Until you do that, my point stands. It takes a LOT of people losing money for one person to make money. And even if you don't buy tools, what is the gas worth to STP, do product demos, etc?
small business = small bonus = SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE
big business = big bonus = BIG NUMBER OF PEOPLE
Now, do the math and follow the dollars and cents. See where they go. It is like a funnel being sucked up the mother ship.
And about cost, I can buy Tide cheaper than SA8. If you look at all the Q price comps, they compare a small box of Tide to SA8. Basic economics, Tony, the larger the unit size, the cheaper the cost per that unit. You can buy 100 loads worth of Tide at the local Grocery store for $20.00. If you go for the 20 load size, multiply that by 5 and it is more expensive, because you bought the smaller quantity. This, Tony, is how I save tons of money. I buy club pack sizes of items from the local store. I pay $5.77 for 18 bags of popcorn. What do you pay? As Dave Severn says "It comes from the same kind of COB!"
X, thank you for the good wishes, sincerely.
I have said over and over again I Understand that money is made from tools and seminars. Money Should be made from tools and seminars. My Time and my Knowledge is worth something! When I went to college, I did not attend seminars for free! I did not get CDs or books for free!! A music CD cost $19.99! Our CDs cost $7.50! There are people paying $500-$1000 for a 1-DAY business seminar. Ours are 3 Days and cost $90!! AND ITS OPTIONAL!! Its ALL Optional!!
You can say I'm brainwashed or 'mind-controled', but I could say the samething about every HS & college student that thinks they just have to study hard and get good grades, and then they're gonna get some high paying job, that will take care of them for life.
And X for whatever reason you shunned your friends, I don't know, thats you, not me. I'm not putting you down, but 2 years, 3 years or 5 years - I'm not gonna shun my friends as long as none of them shun me.
And as for your story about Bill Britt, I absolutely don't believe it, wanna know why? Because I've seen pictures of Bill Britt with people in my upline that are not Emeralds. Some at the time of the picture weren't even Platinums yet!!
And that thing about John Crowe not associating with another lower than Emerald , I have that CD never heard that. And if so, then how did he tell Dave Dussalt at 1000pv that if he quit, he'd take his 3 legs to Platinum and Dave would never see a dime of it!
1 year later Dave and his wife were at Platinum, a year after that they were Emerald, and now 1 year later they are qualified Diamonds getting recognized this weekend at FED!!
So I'm not saying you're lying, I'm just saying what your friend of of friend told you was wrong. Bill Britt talked to my upline Platinum as a 4000pver. This is what I'm talking about. People just starting or repeating total BS, & twisting half truths to make us look bad. I will not stand for it!
Hey Tony,
The checks you saw were his year end bonus for each level. They were not each months.
I know we used the same checks..also if you do the math as the plans shows a diamond does not make 1 million dollars.
So post 12 months worth of checks not the bonus ones.
I was in the Winters group.
Don, if that is your argument, I'm not gonna repeat if again. Are you seriosuly still hung up on the rules regarding retailing over the counter, and advertising.
1st of all you Are allowed to advertise, it has to be local and it has to be approved, but some local advertising is allowed.
Now, AGAIN, for retailing over the counter. These rules are there to protect the average IBO! How can you say I avoided this, when I've Already Told you this!!
If this could be sold in grocery stores than Years ago, somebody with an in would have gotten this into a national grocery chain, and/or many local grocery chains.
If people could go to a Biggs, or Meiers, etc. and buy XS or protein bars, then it would make it nearly impossible for IBO's to retail it to individual member and clients.
I have individuals who are members or clients that buy stuff like XS or protein bars, or make-up, or gift albums. They buy it thru me because these products are exclusive thru us and can only be bought thru an IBO. Now if my members could grab a case of XS and 2 boxes of Nutrilite protein bars while they were out getting bread, milk, butter, etc.- how much more difficult is MY job at retailing the product now?
Get a clue Don! There would be no long term business - it would be a handful of IBO's who had big corporate retail accounts and then no one else.
If Ben & Jerry asked me to be an independent rep for them, and sell Ice cream, I'd say no thanks, people can buy Ben & Jerrys's Anywhere! Most people are gonna buy ice cream when they're in the store. But if somebody wants a case of XS, or Nutrilite protein bars, or a Gift Album, etc. they can only by them thru an IBO - BECAUSE the corporation has rules regarding how it can be sold Over-The-Counter at stores!!
Make sense yet Don?? Can anyone else maybe shed some light on this for Don. Doesn't anyone else get the concept here?
If I could retail it to a grocery store Don, then someone else would have already done it by now! And then people would buy it there instead of an IBO! These rules protect IBO's and the nature of the business. But your cribot mind can't see past "Rules!!" "Restrictions!!" must be BAD!!
Joecool> But Tony, you go to college to LEARN. People supposedly go into business (quixtar) to make money
T> not entirely true Joe - I went to college to learn, so that I good get a better paying job, to make more money! People get in this business to make $, but 1st they have to learn. What am I losing money on? Books? Seminars? Aren't I doing that to Learn?? Yea, its the samething! I'm reading the books and goin got the seminars, so I can learn, so I can be more successful... and make more money - same reason I spent $70,000 in college!!
Joecool> There are some differences, because what you learn in college can be transferred to other aspects of your life, much more so than what you learn from Q.
Also, most of the information you learn from Q is worthless outside of the business.
Hey ex-DD - I know the checks included bonuses! However, they were not both for the same month! The for $90,000+ was in Nov. The one for $120,000 was in December! I know he doesn't make $120,000 Every month! - but name me ONE month where You made $120,000?? Didn't think so.
Oh, and I never said the average Diamond makes $1million. I've said Repeatedly like the plan shows - the average Diamond makes $150,000/year! No tools, just Qx $!
The average EDC and above Does make close to $1mil a year though.
My upline Diamond said he makes about $50,000 a month average!
Anything else?
THIS CAME FROM A CR WRITE UP
A price study was done, and found that the SA-8 is only cheaper to use against the small boxes of Tide, purchased in a supermarket. One 9.9 lb. box of SA-8 is equal to 150 loads, and at distributor price is $25.56 (includes 4% shipping). If you use only one scoop per load (two scoop are recommended for hard water), the price per load is $.171. The table below, shows the "Power of Buying Large Sizes" at Wal-Mart. Sure, if you are stupid enough to buy the 10 load box at Publix grocery store for almost $.32 per load, then you can save money with SA-8 at $.171 per load. Buying Tide at Publix is almost 87% more expensive than the SA-8. If you really want to save money, buy the 23-lb pack at Wal-Mart for $.119 per load and save 43.4% over the SA-8. Even with the smaller 5.75 lb box at Wal-Mart, you can still save 10.7% over the SA-8, and you don't have to buy as many loads as the SA8 gives. If you buy the USA Detergents brand liquid, you can get down to $.093/load, or a savings of 45% over the SA8. Anyone who thinks they can retail SA-8 will be hopelessly uncompetitive at $.206 per load (no shipping included). In addition, the retail mark up is only 20.7% (16.7% if the distributor absorbs the 4% shipping). The markup is just 2/3 of their widely touted 30% "immediate profit", and this is one of the famous Amway core products! (these prices may not be up to date and are for illustration only)
You are so wrong Joe, and I can't belive you made it to 4000pv with that viewpoint.
Didn't you ever read "Personality Plus"? Did you ever read:
"The Magic of Thinking Big" or
"The Choice", or
"Bringing Out the Best in People", or
"How to Win Friends & Influence People", or
"5 Love Languages"??
How you can be in a positive atmosphere, reading books like these, learning general success principles, and think that none of it could be applied in daily life!
Joe, I don't have time, all I can say is: I'm sorry you weren't on the same team as me.
Tony,
If your upline diamond makes $50,000 a month, I challenge you to break that down into math.
For example, 6 directs, the diamond would get the founder's bonus od about $600 a month for each direct. That would be $3,600 a month, or $43,200 per year. Additionally, if your upline diamond also has Q12 side volume 7500PV = 22,500 BV, then that's another $5625 per month, or
$67,500 per year. Thus with 6 directs and his own side volume, this diamond would make $110, 700. Add is the diamond bonus, emerald bonus, etc, this diamond might make about 150K to 200K, and that's if he and his directs are all Q12 (Very rare). This still does nto come close to the $50 per month he is talking about.
Care to explain where the rest comes from?
Tony> You are so wrong Joe, and I can't belive you made it to 4000pv with that viewpoint.
Joecool> Conversely, I can't believe you
haven't made it to 4000 PV yet, since you seem to be driven and motivated to succeed in the business.
I read most of those books Tony. Some of them I read in college. I originally had planned to get my law degree but I ended up with a BA in psychology and a MA in education. Some of the books have useful information but a lot of the information is not useful outside of the business.
Poorhouse Tony: I can't believe that you read "How to Win Friends..."
Your expletive-ridden tirades here have done just the opposite!
Or, do you save that 'side' of you for your prospects. If so, that makes you an insincere, two-faced liar.
To answer your question, I ususally take one big trip (USVI, HI, Cancun, Jamaica)
a year. And I do a bunch of other small trips. I enjoy my time with my spouse and, when we bring them, my kids.
Did I help get anyone there? Outside of my family....? No.
It really isn't my responsibility to get anyone to the USVI.
Conversely, let me ask you this.
Is it okay to help 1 person get to the USVI at the expense of 1-14,000 people?
I DON'T THINK THAT IS RIGHT !!!
Because, those 'helped' by your company comes at the expense of those 'hurt' by the system (i.e. those who have lost their financial or physical health, those who have lost their marriage and/or kids, those who have lost their friends' respect and/or self-respect).
Is that worth a wiffle ball game in the USVI.
NOPE!
But in your brainwashed world, it might be justifiable.....
To which I would also say: That extreme freedom website is all about spending money, not helping people. Where is the section showing these big pins giving to charity or any semblance of stewardship???
Its a sham and deep down inside, you know it !!!
P.S. Do you really want to see my vacation pix? What kind of weird fetish is that???
Tony,
You can not under any circumstances tell me unequivicolly what you will or will not do in 2, 3, or 5 years. People change in time. And this system continues to change you into a battery source for their hot cars and free trips. You are the proverbial battery like in the Matrix, one of thousands of people feeding the chain unaware of what you are doing. You may, MAY one day become one of them in which case you will have to sleep every night with the thought that many people are now feeding YOU in a never ending chain.
I have hundreds of those CD's and Tapes, Tony, at least with the music industry I buy tapes with different songs. There are so many tapes and they only boil down to about 7 overlapping types of tapes, each of which contain the same material. You are paying over and over again for material that you already have!
BTW, the Britt statement came directly from that person in a night owl and was confirmed by the upline emerald who SAW IT HAPPEN!!
And the John Crowe tape, like I said, I am not sure if that is the tape or not, but I have it somewhere. PR, Tony, all your jaz is about PR. How do they LIVE is what I am driving at.
As for your high school kids and mind control, no, Tony, that is not mind control. Go and study this topic. Mind control is when a pattern of devices is employed to slowly change the course of your own thinking by your own choice into a group dynamic for the betterment of the employer of the system, i.e. the kingpins. Your negative view of college is a key sign to me that you are being controlled by this system because college, Tony, works. Look at the stats.
Thank you, df! You "stole" my line. :-)
Tony> "...you see while back, when I tried having civil debates about the business here".
Well, I've been following QBlog for a loooong time, and even went through as many archives as I could. Tony, there is absolutely nothing "civil" in the way you have been communicating from the very start.
Just listing those fine people-skill and self-improvement books is not enough. Please try reading *AND* heeding them for just once.
Oh, and forget the prospects! If your downline saw these postings from you and knew that it was you who wrote them, they'd quit or transfer faster than you could spell your fake name "Tony".
Thanks, df, for bringing us full circle to the topic--Extreme Freedom's crass, almost ancient Romanesque embrace of material excess. (They even show people in buffet lines on cruise ships, showing big, dripping kabobs to the camera like trophies.) It is all about the Benjamins, which is how they lure suckers into their scene. And yeah, I bet your vacation pix are cooler than Extreme Freedom's, too.
Hey Tony,
Who is your diamond? He does not make $50,000 of the Quixtar system.
Your education system creates .0017% success rate(go see the figures on amquix info where a college professor ran the numbers)
The real world has a 1% rate of millionaires.
It the education system in Quixtar is so good why is it not producing more than a 1% ratio?
For your information I was on the inner circle of the winters group and heard the backstage talk information I am sure you are not or have been privy too or you would not be talking like you are.
read your 6-4-2 plan again...dex does not make 50k a month off his diamondship pv.
The bonuses are paid in November and December..thats why there were 2 months worth of checks.
THe bible says to look at the fruit of the tree..
the world system produces 1% millionaires verses .0017% in Quixtar,
Actually there have been no North American Quixtar diamonds..ones that got in after the launch..but I will even give 1 diamond.
so actually Quixtars succes rate of new diamonds is .000001%
Tony> 1st of all you Are allowed to advertise, it has to be local and it has to be approved, but some local advertising is allowed.
DI> Well, that's good to hear. What kind of advertising is acceptable to be "approved" and what do you mean by "some"?
Tony>These rules are there to protect the average IBO! How can you say I avoided this, when I've Already Told you this!! If people could go to a Biggs, or Meiers, etc. and buy XS or protein bars, then it would make it nearly impossible for IBO's to retail it to individual member and clients.
DI> What I'm saying is that the excuse that it's there to "protect the average IBO" is BULLSH*T.
First, buying from an individual IBO would ALWAYS be cheaper than buying from a store. Second, a LOGICAL restriction would be that an IBO can only sell to LOCAL retail stores (like with the advertising). Third, why would IBOs want to retail to individuals, when retailing to stores is how you make VOLUME. You want to make money don't you?
Listen, Tony, when we started our REAL business, there were already plenty of people on the market with similar goods and services. That did NOT stop us from having a successful business. Likewise, there are hundreds of grocery stores in the city, and there are also many supermarkets. Guess what! They all happily coexist. So your argument about one IBO having his goods in grocery stores and pushing out the other ones is likewise BULLSH*T because IBOs can always compete for contracts with said stores. It's called free enterprise: offer a grocery store some XS for a cheaper price, and then you got the contract and not the other guy!
What I'm saying is that this individual method of selling stuff is highly INEFFICIENT and is not conducive to making large sums of money. You may say that those commie rules are there to protect you, but I say that I'm not going to hang around coffee shops like a complete loser and try to sell crap to people I don't know. That's why Quixtar is not a business for any serious businessman.
What you're not understanding, Tony, is that if IBOs could sell through third parties, they would make a lot more money and a lot more volume than they do with these rules. And they could compete between each other, just like they do now. But apparently, you're satisfied with selling XS to ten people per month instead of a thousand. But that's 'cause you don't know the first thing about succeeding in business, and guess what: those nightowls aren't gonna help.
So tell me Tony: Is Quixtar really free enterprise like they claim?
And why can't bars display the XS logo? How does this "protect the IBO?"
Tony, don't listen to these critbots my man. Look at the golf course. How far is the hole? How many obstacles in between? Water, sand, trees. Now these critbots will say odds are 0.000014% of just getting near the hole and 80% chances of getting in the water etc. etc.
But look at the pros. 2,3 shots and par.
Get a lesson from a pro, you'll be doing birdies in same couse in few months.
see, there is a difference between analyzing and doing.
And who is more qualified to give you financial advice? Some one making 90k / month or.....
What did I tell you guys about hitting Ctrl-Alt-Del on Tony's brain? Now he's back on those checks again.
I didn't request the checks because I have no reason to doubt they exist. I've seen the jpg's of fifth generation xeroxes of big checks plenty of times. Neither have I ever said nobody is making money outside of tools. 373megabux went somewhere last year, duh. The thing is, like 90% of it CAME from you guys in the first place.
So this guy had a couple of really big ones to wave around. We've already been through how many zero checks it would take to average that 120kilobux down to $115 (1042 of them!) Reckon there were a couple of one-time bonuses inflating those two? Why doesn't he wave last month's check around? He claims to be making $50k/mo, how much EXCLUDING TOOLS? Is this guy even in qualification as a diamond anymore? How would you know? The tools are still the big cash cow, especially for the little non-qualifying-diamond kingpin wannabe's.
That big check that inspires you so much just shows how much you're getting screwed. You and hundreds of others like you are basically just giving this guy money in the hope someday you'll be able to find that many suckers for yourself to participate in these cheesy tasteless videos.
How about that number of people out of 150 showing a profit? You want to weasel the definition of losing around to say they're "building" or "investing" so they can be in profit later, well guess what? The proportions don't change. If there's 1 out of 100 in profit now, for each of those other 99 to get into profit is going to take another 99 to lose for them. It will always be a raw deal for almost everybody in it, forever and ever until you run out of people to con either by actually running out of people or by everyone realizing it's a scam.
I can't wait until my next trip, I'm going to get my picture taken on a beach in the middle of Canadian winter just to prove that the life DF has posted about is more common that the Quix-bots would have you think.
LOTS of people have good lives with little worry about money. It's called financial prudence, working hard, and not being stupid with money.
I'm glad you went to a game with your dad Tony.
Hmmmm.... the only person on this board "jealous" of the Extremely Insecure - Fragile Ego Team wiffleball league is Tony the One Trick Pony.
Though it was funny how hard the "team" tried to convince themselves that they were having so much "fun" attempting wiffleball.
Soon we'll get all the "Peter Island is the greatest... (insert superlative term here)" rhetoric again.
Dang, couldn't go to Peter Island this year - went to world's biggest island instead.
Magic of thinking big, you know.
Tony, here is picture of me. JOB dude
http://tinyurl.com/b9wpd
I found the xmas party at the weirs very interesting. The christmas carol playing with a sinister tone in the backgorund and what happened at the end?? At first I thought they were all being kicked out at party closing time, then I realised they were being herded into a conference room for yet another meeting/rally.
Hey what an exciting party!!!!
Imran, the water in your picture is not turquoise. In fact, it's not even blue. And the tapes say it must be, so no good... :-)
Tony sent Qblog a couple of copies of bonus checks. I think it was for $90K and $120K. Tony later said his upline diamond makes about $50K per month, all from Quixtar. (Tony, correct me if this is wrong).
So this "diamond" makes 50K per month, which supposedly proves that the business works.
What is missed here is that most of that quixtar bonus comes from the purchases made by the diamond's group. Since retailing is not the focus of the group, the group is basically supporting the fabulous lifestyle of that diamond.
Tony says their group does retailing workshops and clinics. That's a good start, but unless these workshops and clinics result in the majority of the volume moved by the group, then it's still the group supporting the diamond with their jobs.
Yes, at some point, another diamond may emerge from the pack, but unless that group is getting most of their volume from retailing, the result is the same with the group supporting the diamond.
Quixtar may be legal, but it is still similar to a pyramid because the masses are supporting the few at the top. I know Tony made the statement that those newer IBO's (translated as those on the bottom) are simply paying their dues and working their way up. That may be true but with the low number of diamonds turning up in quixtar, it still the masses supporting the few diamonds (with their jobs).
To me it's pretty clear. Unless the majority of income is from customers outside of the system, then it's inevitable that the masses MUST fail in order for few to succeed.
Events in the system are alway very interesting to experience. I remeber Don and Lori Lyyod and Garry and Lisa Sadden put on this Christmas Party one year for all of thier teams.
I loved how charged everyone to get in. I can't remember the exact amount but I know it was $15-$20 per person. They rented a community hall(cheap?). There were about 150 people there and the price was just for admission, it didn't even include food.
They had one of Don's kids using a ghetto blaster playing out corny music. Don and Garry LOVE to hear themselves talk. I remember after the little dance they talk for 8 hours about nothing. They talked about thier kids, go diamond and how all the guys should think real hard over the Christmas break if they want to be a real man the next year and go platium.
Great talk by two guys who one of them had to go back dry walling and the other is now flogging cell phones out of the back of is van.
What comes around goes around. That phrase in this scam is so sweat!
from Tony:
"If Ben & Jerry asked me to be an independent rep for them, and sell Ice cream, I'd say no thanks, people can buy Ben & Jerrys's Anywhere! Most people are gonna buy ice cream when they're in the store. But if somebody wants a case of XS, or Nutrilite protein bars, or a Gift Album, etc. they can only by them thru an IBO - BECAUSE the corporation has rules regarding how it can be sold Over-The-Counter at stores!!"
Yeah, but there are millions of IBOs that I can buy those Nutrilite protein bars or Gift Albums from.
Don Incognito wrote:
"What you're not understanding, Tony, is that if IBOs could sell through third parties, they would make a lot more money and a lot more volume than they do with these rules. And they could compete between each other, just like they do now. But apparently, you're satisfied with selling XS to ten people per month instead of a thousand."
What you're stating here, Don, makes 100% absolute sense in the real business world; but you're forgetting, though, that quixtar is all about making money "franchise style" through illegal pyramiding.
Tony would rather sell to 10 people, because he then teaches those people to sell to 10 people, who each teach 10 people to get another 10 people each and so forth.
Throw the tools scam in, and now you have cooked yourself up a kingpin at the top of the heap raking in the cash from all of the other suckers underneath him that are doing all of the work.
Too busy at my JOB to even begin to answer all this stuff - if you really had a question and want an answer either repost it or email me. tonyqibo@yaoo.com
1st of all, all this talk about the group supporting the Platinum or the Diamond. The work being done by the guys on the 'bottom', supporting the guys on the top...
guys, what do you think happens at a corporation? Isn't your bosses' boss making More than you!! Isn't the CEO of most Fortune 100 companies making in the millions? And the majority of the work being done in the company is from the little guy making less than $50,000!
If you think your boss or CEO isn't making money off the work You do - you don't understand how businesses work!!
And to the people who think that all the Emeralds & Diamonds on the Extreme Freedom Team website are showing off, or bragging etc.- you're narrow-minded. This site is just to show the 'fruit on the tree'. Its just to show some of the stuff you get to do when you build it big.
Doug and Amie Weir didn't charge people to get into their Christmas party. And when Joe Markiewicz rents out that baseball stadium every year, he doesn't even charge admission, Anyone can come and watch for Free!! I'm sorry some of you had a bunch of tight-@ss fake upline. The people on this team are real!
And just because they show clips of ladies shopping trips, and fast cars, and trips to the British Virgin Islands, doesn't mean they're just about that. They DO give to charity, they do like helping people. But what do you expect them to show, them writing checks to Mercy Ministries, then giving money to the Salvation Army. If they had clip sof that how many people would be b!tching about that?? Calling them pious, etc.
A site like this (like an Open meeting) has to be a the lowest common denominator - money and lifestyle. At an Open you don't start talking about spirituality and helping your fellow man - you talk about making extra money and the choices it gives you. This site simply shows some the things these guys get to do.
And also, at the end of the Weir party clip, they weren't going into 'another meeting'! They were going into their Theatre Room to watch a movie!!
Oh and Joe a 4% bonus off a Platinum these days is about $800, and if he's a Ruby thats $1600. And don't forget DGI, Diamond Growth Icentives. My Diamond has been a Diamond for like 10 years, his 1st time bonuses are long gone so that month that was $120,000 did not include any 1 time bonuses.
This guy's got good structure - he actually retired at Ruby! $50,000 a month is only a little more than a half mil a year. The Average Founders EDC is making over $720,000. So I really don't care if you believe he makes over a half Mil or not. He still lives in a $2mil home, still has a $50,000 boat. And how do I know he's still qualified, cause you have to be Qualfied to go to Peter Island! How do I know Joe M is still qualified?- cause in 3 days he and Mary Beth will be recognized on stage as New DOUBLE DIAMONDS!!
And Don, I don't even have time to repeat agian what I've said, you just don't get it. You mentioned offering to lower the price to get the account, well you can't go below the IBO! If I was selling to a local grocery store, I'd be selling it to them at my price and then just be making money on the volume! So how would a new IBO undercut MY price when I got in there 1st and gave them the lowest possible price?
So think about what you're saying. Let's say IBO's can retail Anywhere. So I go to several local grocery stores, and maybe just some local Walmarts, or Meier's... and then other IBO's do the samething. They set-up accounts with local grociers and the some big stores in Their area. Now every store or 1000's of stores are selling XS, and Protein bars, etc.
How are new IBO's gonna retail to individual members and clients? They can't undercut the price to their clients cause of shipping. And they can't undercut the price to the stores cause the IBOs that got there 1st already gave them the best price!!
If it was allowed to work like this the business would not be long term, and it would have to be a pyramid cause it would be nearly impossible to retail the products to customers. If you can't understand this, I'm sorry, but it doesn't really matter - cause you're not the one making the rules.
Quote : "This guy's got good structure - he actually retired at Ruby!"
So he's not working his business any more? I thought he upline from you.
Tony,
I would like to commend you on your last post. It's a first one in a while from you that didn't involve any obscenities, cursing, or otherwise foul language. While I disagree with a lot of your points, it's nice to have an elevated discussion rather than a mud-slinging contest.
Cheers!
dj
Yea, I'm about done with this site - the stupidity is really geting old.
vm> "So he's not working his business any more? I thought he upline from you.
T> 1st of all Bill Britt is upline from me too, and he's not out showing the plan.
But 2nd, when I say he retired at Ruby that means from his JOB! He worked in Engineering and was also in medical school at UNC. At Ruby he retired from his job!
Doug Weir used to work for IBM, and so did Joe Markiewicz. Joe retired from IBM at 28 yrs old, Doug retired at 26!!
So do you have anything worthwhile to say or do you just like asking senseless questions that you think prove me wrong?
Tony> nd Don, I don't even have time to repeat agian what I've said, you just don't get it. You mentioned offering to lower the price to get the account, well you can't go below the IBO! If I was selling to a local grocery store, I'd be selling it to them at my price and then just be making money on the volume! So how would a new IBO undercut MY price when I got in there 1st and gave them the lowest possible price?
DI> Tony, no, I understand it perfectly. Remember, I'm looking at this from the viewpoint of an actual business owner, not an IBO with no business sense. Only an idiot who doesn't understand business would be selling their products at cost. You just showed that you are that idiot. End of discussion.
Tony> So think about what you're saying. Let's say IBO's can retail Anywhere. So I go to several local grocery stores, and maybe just some local Walmarts, or Meier's... and then other IBO's do the samething.
DI> Tony, I conceded that Qx could have limitations on selling to nationwide chains. So quit repeating that, moron. Read my posts more carefully.
Tony> How are new IBO's gonna retail to individual members and clients? They can't undercut the price to their clients cause of shipping.
DI> Everyone has to pay shipping, even the IBOs who'd sell to stores, so shipping is irrelevant. Store-bought XS would STILL be more expensive than IBO XS.
Tony> And they can't undercut the price to the stores cause the IBOs that got there 1st already gave them the best price!!
DI> Well, if the IBOs are idiots who sell at cost, but in a real distribution business, that would not happen. That's another reason why Qx isn't a real business. However, individual IBOs would still have cheaper product because they don't have the grocery store's markup! Forget about that one, smartass?
And dont ignore my direct questions, moron:
Is Quixtar really free enterprise like they claim?
And why can't bars display the XS logo? How does this "protect the IBO?"
Hey dj, like I've said before - when people are civil with me, I'm civil with them. I came on here back in like March and was 'professional', sympathetic, but after the constant bashing from critics that wouldn't listen to Any of my points and were blinded with skepticism or anger from a bad expereince, I got tired of it. I started getting bashed for everything.
Suddenly I was Tonybot, and Poorhouse Tony, nobody cared that I wasn't like Their upline. I never told any of my guys to break-up with their girlfriend, I never tried to steal a downline's group, i never told anyone they Had to buy CD's etc. I defended what I think to be a good business and an Awesome team of people and all I got was CRAP! So when I get sh!t from little punk critbots like df, and rocket, and prasad, and whoever else wants to be stupid that week - I give it right back to them!
Honestly, I'm really geting tired of making the same arguments to the new breeds of critbots that discover this site each month. I think after FED you won't be seeing much of me, cause I'm gonna focus more on what I can do to further my business and helping the people on my team, and less about some jack@ss who's mad at ME, cause his friend spends less time with him.
Don, I sh!t out smarter pieces of Cr@p than you!! (Sorry dj, had to get that out, but I feel much better now - ate lunch and cooled off some)
To answer your question, the corp. has a rule about selling and displaying the products. Why a bar can't display the XS logo, I don't know, I'll ask Scott Koon (pres. of XS) at FED this weekend.
Is Qx really free enterprise? YEA, it is!! Just becuae there are rules and guidelines doesn't mean its not free enterprise! If I wanted to sell watches on the corner, or open a restaurant there are MANY rules and guidelines I Have to follow! Its still Free Enterprise!!
DIpsh!t> "Only an idiot who doesn't understand business would be selling their products at cost. "
T> No! Only a dipsh!t who doesn't understand This business would make that statement!!
Do you understand that we get PAID on volume, not just retail markup on products. That means I can allow a bar to buy XS at MY cost, and I STILL make money.
Let's go with Your example of IBOs being able to sell anything, anywhere. So let's say I've got a few grocery stores, a few bars, and a few restuarants selling XS, protein bars, or whatever, and total they buy 7500pv worth of stuff. Let's say I allow ALL of these establishments to buy it at MY price. So while I make NO profit off the top of each item - I still get paid for the volume from Qx! I'm still @ the 25% bracket and if 100pv = 250bv, then 7500pv = 18750bv! So my 25% bonus is over $4600 a month!!! Who's the idiot now Donny boy?!?
DIpsh!t> Tony, I conceded that Qx could have limitations on selling to nationwide chains. So quit repeating that, moron. Read my posts more carefully.
T> No, Don read MY posts more carefully and you might catch the concept! Whats the difference if Qx always selling to local grocer's but not national ones? If they're gonna allow the sale of XS in CASES at grocery stores, what's it matter if the store is local or a chain?? If they allowed it at local stores, they'd Have to allow it at big chains too! But even if they Did allow it at locally owned stores, but not national chains, whats the end affect. You STILL have stores ALL OVER the country selling stuff in the case!! QX is in every city/state in the country! IBO's selling to local grocery stores all over the nation is the same any National grocier selling it!!
DI> Everyone has to pay shipping, even the IBOs who'd sell to stores, so shipping is irrelevant. Store-bought XS would STILL be more expensive than IBO XS.
T> wrong AGAIN! Don, did you know just 37 12-packs of XS gets you Free shipping. Even if a store only bought 35 cases and paid the Max of $24 shipping, that's less than $1 for case!! A store could buy XS for $20.40 a case, and then sell it for $2 a can!
If I sold it to a client for retail its gonna be $23.99 ($2/can) Plus shipping! Even a Member buying a case is gonna pay $20.40, plus $4-$5 shipping! You saying "store XS would be more expensive than IBO XS" is just frickin WRONG!! And it shouws that you DO NOT understand what the h#ll you're talking about!
DIpsh!t> However, individual IBOs would still have cheaper product because they don't have the grocery store's markup! Forget about that one, smartass?
T> "Don, you ignorant slut". Why don't you look into what the average grocery store mark-up is. A store buying XS at $20.40 and then marking it up to $23.99 is a much higher mark-up than most of the other stuff they have!
Quote : "But 2nd, when I say he retired at Ruby that means from his JOB! He worked in Engineering and was also in medical school at UNC. At Ruby he retired from his job!"
This is not retiring, it is changing jobs. There is nothing wrong with that, just don't misrepresent it.
Tony> 1st of all, all this talk about the group supporting the Platinum or the Diamond. The work being done by the guys on the 'bottom', supporting the guys on the top...
guys, what do you think happens at a corporation? Isn't your bosses' boss making More than you!! Isn't the CEO of most Fortune 100 companies making in the millions? And the majority of the work being done in the company is from the little guy making less than $50,000!
If you think your boss or CEO isn't making money off the work You do - you don't understand how businesses work!!
Joecool> Tony, the difference is that in a corporate structure, the workers all get a paycheck. With that real money, they are able to pay their bills, buy food, cars, etc.
You work for the company you get paid.
In quixtar, the diamonds are making their fortunes, not because of the business efforts of the downline. The downline are making the diamonds rich with money from their JOBS.
Tony, if you don't believe me, I challenge you to answer this simple question.
Let's say that the IBO's were all unemployed and they only had enough money for the sign up kit and to buy one month's worth of 100PV. Now the only way these IBO's could make money and creat volume is to retail. Tell me if the business still works?
I bet the diamond would soon be at the welfare office in this scenario.
Poorhouse Tony> "I think after FED you won't be seeing much of me, cause I'm gonna focus more on what I can do to further my business..."
REALLY? Is that a threat or a promise ???
Tony> To answer your question, the corp. has a rule about selling and displaying the products. Why a bar can't display the XS logo, I don't know, I'll ask Scott Koon (pres. of XS) at FED this weekend.
DI> You do that Tony. Free enterprise my ass.
Tony> Is Qx really free enterprise? YEA, it is!! Just becuae there are rules and guidelines doesn't mean its not free enterprise! If I wanted to sell watches on the corner, or open a restaurant there are MANY rules and guidelines I Have to follow! Its still Free Enterprise!!
DI> Once again, Tony demonstrates his complete ignorace of the concept of free enterprise. Your "rules to protect the IBO" are the ANTITHESIS of free enterprise because they SQUASH HEALTHY COMPETITION. What they do is reduce all IBOs to the lowest common denominator of selling to individuals. Such artificial equalization is COMMUNISM not FREE ENTERPRISE.
There may be rules to follow when you're opening a restaurant, but there are no rules saying you can only sell food to the poor customers. Same thing for the watch stand. Your comparison is flawed, moron.
Tony>Who's the idiot now Donny boy?!?
DI> You are, because you are artificially reducing your income. A smart businessman would be making money from both the bonus and markup.
Tony>IBO's selling to local grocery stores all over the nation is the same any National grocier selling it!!
DI> Right, moron, and in a free enterprise system, IBOs can compete over grocery store contracts rather than individual buyers. This way, you get more volume. Volume=money.
Tony> You saying "store XS would be more expensive than IBO XS" is just frickin WRONG!! And it shouws that you DO NOT understand what the h#ll you're talking about!
DI> No, moron, once again you've failed the reading comprehension exam. What I've been saying all along is not Qx directly selling to grocery stores, but IBOs selling to grocery stores. Thus the grocery store buys at the price that the IBO dictates, resulting in the grocery store's price being more expensive than the IBO's.
Furthermore, those stores would sell piecewise, not by cases (you idiot). Ever see a gas station selling Red Bull by the case? No, they get it in a case of 24 at Costco for $1.39 per can and mark it up to $2.10 a can. That's profit, and that's why it's more expensive at the gas station. Now replace "Costco" with IBO. Do you understand what I'm getting at? Then the neighboring gas station can get its stuff from a different IBO. That's called COMPETITION, and that's called FREE ENTERPRISE, and not this Communist bullsh!t that you're pushing.
In the end Tony, you can insult me all you want, but I'm making money and you're not. So have fun defending your "business" while you're running like a hamster in a wheel with no results.
Ironically, they have a function called Free Enterprise Day (FED).
If you break down the business, it's a "distributor business" where you supposedly move products from factory to the end user.
The problem is that the distributor is basically the end user. So in my post above, if all the IBO's only used retail profits to buy their next month's PV and tools, the diamonds would quickly go broke.
Anyone care to debate that position?
Poorhouse Tony> Why a bar can't display the XS logo, I don't know, I'll ask Scott Koon (pres. of XS) at FED this weekend
Excellent Tonybot! Way to hold yourself accountable. It's strange to admit, but I'm impressed.
We look forward to your results. Then again, if you come back empty handed, then we all know that it is the same old phoney-baloney-Tonybot that we've come to know and despise.
Have fun flushing your $$$ down the toilet at FED!!!
BIG TONY: "Honestly, I'm really geting tired of making the same arguments to the new breeds of critbots that discover this site each month. I think after FED you won't be seeing much of me, cause I'm gonna focus more on what I can do to further my business and helping the people on my team, and less about some jack@ss who's mad at ME, cause his friend spends less time with him."
Honestly, we won't hold our breath - you've stated at least three other times you were leaving this blog - so why should we believe you now?
Just another one of your inconsistancies - such as:
You first had a "B.S. in Business Administration"
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-then-
a "B.A. in Business Management"
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a "Business Degree working as an Engineer making 50 G's"
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a "Business Marketing" graduate
Choose one, please
How about TKD?
First you knew someone who has a school - then you are a teacher there - now you own a school.
Lawnmowers??
First, you "just bought a lawnmower with free shipping!!" - then when someone tried to find that mower it became "I bought it last year" - then the free shipping became 12 dollars.
How are we to believe someone who can't remotely stick to one story??
I haven't seen anyone here blame YOU for whatever one of their friends has done in Quixtar - stop projecting your insecurities onto others, grow some balls, and get over yourself.
You're just now going to "focus" on growing your business??!! Shouldn't have you been doing that for the last two years instead of arguing with people here?
Your "expert opinion" is worth the same as how much you've made in Quixtar.
ZERO!!!!!
Thank you for the clarifications regarding the diamond. It doesn't serve any purpose to argue without the facts. You just always made sure to point out that the 120k was exclusive of tools, but if you ever said such a thing about the 50k/mo I missed that. Sounds like this guy's raking in the big money, and tools on top. Good for him. Not for anyone else, just him. Certainly not for you. You're still distracted by the sideshow (the "business") which exists as a pretext for what's really going on, which is: this guy's getting all this money because you and people like you are just GIVING it to him, in the hope that maybe someday you'll get to the same position.
Now, I've been a con probably since before you signed up, and I venture to say I've seen a lot more of your ilk than you've seen of mine. Rare indeed is the pro that comes along to say something that hasn't been refuted many times over. You're not an exception. The "points" you think you've "made" are generally either invalid or irrelevant, the analogies fallacious. They've all been proven so over and over, since long before you came on the scene. You just refuse to understand, and you're not an exception there, either.
We don't need to convince you, we just need to make more sense than you do, to someone who hasn't already drunk the Koolaid.
Case in point: Say I'm working for a corporation, and there's some "boss" at the top of it taking home a really nice paycheck. I'm not working to "make him rich", I'm working because he's paying me fairly to do something he needs done. He wouldn't have gotten where he was by paying people more than what they do is worth, and if he tries to pay less, they'll do it for someone else. I don't begrudge him the benefits; he's the one that took the risk starting the business. Now, YOU, on the other hand ARE working to make your boss (diamond) rich, and YOU'RE PAYING HIM for the privelege. In fact, if you weren't just handing money over to him, he wouldn't be GETTING rich. It's that old, tired, well-refuted "mine is NOT a pyramid and besides everyone else's is a pyramid too (stamp feet and pout)" fallacy.
The term "tapespeak" is just a metaphor for the things that get said over and over with tiresome predictability by every new pro that shows up, regardless whether they actually appear on a tape somewhere. In most cases they probably are on one tape or another, as these guys tend to repeat themselves and each other a lot. That's why statements get called "tapespeak" and the people that say them get called "bots". Nothing personal.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not mad and I don't hate you. Those would be emotional reactions, and I have basically no emotional stake in this at ALL. If I were being hyperbolic I might say you were delusional, but a more realistic assessment is "seriously misinformed". If you do change your focus after FED, it would certainly be less misinformation to have to correct, but then you'd be out trying to defraud others into your scam. I know you mean well, but the road to hell is well paved already. Just saying...
1st I'd like to say I would've replied yesterday, but Qb blocked me. Seems some of you guys (df) can be brash and fulgar, but when a Pro-Qx does it - he gets banned.
Joe18> Let's say that the IBO's were all unemployed and they only had enough money for the sign up kit and to buy one month's worth of 100PV. Now the only way these IBO's could make money and creat volume is to retail. Tell me if the business still works?
T> what a dumb ### question?? Where do you get the $$ to shop where YOU shop Joe?? Let's say EVERYONE was unemployed, and had no money, how much money is WM and biggs gonna make?
No one ever said you had to buy your stuff with profit from the biz.
Here, my turn to ask a dumb question:
Let's say that at your JOB your CEO told everyone that there was no money left and they had to work for free. How many of those people are gonna stay? I bet that CEO is gonna be at the welfare office, duh huh :P
DI> There may be rules to follow when you're opening a restaurant, but there are no rules saying you can only sell food to the poor customers
T> what the Heck are you talking about?
DI> A smart businessman would be making money from both the bonus and markup.
T> Sure if you can sell XS at over $1.70/can to bars or stores do it, but then someone is gonna undercut you to get the account like you mentioned above!! Eventually the store is gonna be buying at the base price!
DI> IBOs can compete over grocery store contracts rather than individual buyers.
T> right now there wouldn't be any competition you idiot! Do you know how long Alticor has been around?? Like 50 years!! Do you think any New IBO would have any shot at geting a grocery store to carry XS, when and 20 IBOs already talked to that store 4 years ago!! Let's say the 1st one offered it at a 10cent mark-up, then the next one offered it at 5cents, then finally someone offered it at cost, just to make the money on volume! Like you said Volume = Money!! Like showed above, $4600/ month!!
DI> What I've been saying all along is not Qx directly selling to grocery stores, but IBOs selling to grocery stores.
T> well NO FRICKIN POOP!! (don't wanna get blocked) When did I ever say ANYTHING about stores buying directly from Qx - talk about a lack of Reading Comprehention??? You're an imbecile.
DI> Thus the grocery store buys at the price that the IBO dictates, resulting in the grocery store's price being more expensive than the IBO's.
T> for the love of God, WHAT are you using for brains?? How can I explain this any clearer?? The IBOs would be allowing the stores to buy at the IBO cost (the base price) Just to get the volume from the account!! So if XS is $20.40 at IBO cost the stores would be buying at $20.40!! Are you with me still??
If the store just bought 37 12-packs, they'd get FREE shipping, FREE!! And like a said before even if they bought 36, max shipping is $24!!
So if the store can buy it at $20.40 and mark it up to $23.99, they're gonna make money! And if I sell it to a client its gonna cost them $23.99 PLUS $5 for Shipping!! Even my members who buy at the base price are gonna have to pay $5 shipping ($25.99), making it MORE EXPENSIVE than a 12-pack from a store! DO - YOU - UNDERSTAND??
di> Furthermore, those stores would sell piecewise, not by cases (you idiot).
T> idiot? Put the paint can down and take the bag off your head! Of course stores are gonna sell 12-pack as well!! What you can only buy Red Bull, and Pepsi buy the can?? Who's talking about Gas stations?! We're talking about GROCERY stores!! You ####! You've gotta be the dumbest person I've Ever argued with! There is no hope for you!
DIpstick> Then the neighboring gas station can get its stuff from a different IBO.
T> I've already addressed this above. If IBOs could sell to grocery stores, the accounts would already be set-up years ago! New IBO's couldn't undercut the Already lowest price! And if consumers could buy from grocery stores at the same price to cheaper than an IBO (as I've already explained!) then it would make it near impossible to retail to members & clients!!
Is there a Single critic, that understands this and that thinks Don Incoherent fell out of his cradle a few too many times. Whether you like me or not Somebody has to understand that these rules are to protect the longevity of the business to provide the opportunity for future IBOs.
Hey Tony,
I went to Joe and Dougs retirement motorcade,
I Know they make the big bucks..thats no my arguement, it is where they make them.
I made $1.00 a tape Larry Winters at the time I was in had 10,000 Standing orders and figure an extra 5000 tapes..thats weekly and if he got $1.00 a tape well...do the math.
Now on to functions:
The coliseum is free
15000 folks @ $100 = 1.5 million, I know the speaker like Paul Miller or Bill Britt would get about 300K of that and then the diamonds and emeralds split it. I had heard Larry making $400K of one function.
So Joes big house and all their lifestyle is NOT from the Quixtar plan but the ILLEGAL PYRAMID tool and meeting system Money.
You did not do the math someone asked you to do on a diamondship....It does not add up.
By the way Joe and Doug make good money off their meeting buildings they rent out..
For Ahwile Larry said Mike Bundys building was what kept him out of the poor house.
bp> You first had a "B.S. in Business Administration"
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a "B.A. in Business Management"
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a "Business Degree working as an Engineer making 50 G's"
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a "Business Marketing" graduate
T> when did I say I had a BA in Business Management? My official degree was a BS in Business Administration, with concentrations in Marketing & Management. I currently work for a Fortune 10 company in an Engineering division. So Nothing I said was untrue, [donkey!] :)
bp> How about TKD?
First you knew someone who has a school - then you are a teacher there - now you own a school.
T> once again where is the inconsistency. I do know lots of people who have TKD schools, I have helped teach at a couple, and yes, I am now the Head Instructor at my own branch school, part of the association of my Master Instructor.
Lawnmowers??
First, you "just bought a lawnmower with free shipping!!" - then when someone tried to find that mower it became "I bought it last year" - then the free shipping became 12 dollars.
T> I don't ever remember saying I got free shipping - the shipping was $11.95. Its was $180, plus shippig was Still cheaper than at Walmart, and I have owned it for almost 2 years now!
bp> How are we to believe someone who can't remotely stick to one story??
T> don't try to make me out as a liar because I refer to my degree as a BS in Bus. Adm (concentration in Mrktg), then call
myself a "Business Marketing" grad. Its frickin symantics.
bp> I haven't seen anyone here blame YOU for whatever one of their friends has done in Quixtar - stop projecting your insecurities onto others, grow some balls, and get over yourself.
T> buddy you wouldn't even know what a set of balls looks like!! I'm not projecting jack####! I'm not saying people literally blame ME, obviously I had nothing to do with what their friend did, but they blame Qx and on here I represent Qx. People Have assumed things about me. People assume that because i'm an IBO I must be overbearing, I must have alienated friends & family, that I advise people to go into debt to buy CDs and go to conferences. You critbots assume that since YOU had a cr*ppy upline (can I say cr@ppy Eric?) that we All must be the same way! Well its ######' B###S###!!
bp> You're just now going to "focus" on growing your business??!! Shouldn't have you been doing that for the last two years instead of arguing with people here?
T> I've only been arguing with you mindless critbots here for the past few months, what should you be dong, or is this your job??
bp> Your "expert opinion" is worth the same as how much you've made in Quixtar.
T> funny your opinion is worth about how much You've made in Qx as well.... only I'M gonna make a lot more!! And I'm gonna help a lot more people than you!
S#ck on that baloney!
Hey ex-DD - you were at Joe and Dougs motorcade? Did they retire on the same day? What day was it? What month was it in?
The colliseum is Free?? Riiight!
And Joe's Big house? Joe actually still lives in the house that he went Diamond in. Its a nice house no doubt, but its well below a Diamond house. I look forward to see what they buy in the future now that they're Double Diamonds!
Didn't do the math? - you can do your own math, besides I DID explain how my Diamond can make $50,000 in a month, I think bystander even thanked me for the explanation.
T> what the Heck are you talking about?
DI> I'm saying that your business isn't free enterprise. Having regulations for operation (as in a restaurant) is one thing; having rules that ARTIFICIALLY EQUALIZE THE PLAYING FIELD is another. You can defend Qx's rules all you want, but you can't have such rules and call it free enterprise. Can you get that through your head?
Tony, if one extends your logic to the greater American marketplace, then according to you, there would be no competition in the American marketplace today because every aspect of the market would already be cornered by someone. Funny, though, how competition is alive and healthy, how businesses great and small coexist, and how everyone manages to make a buck.
So why are IBOs deserving of commie rules to "even the playing field"? Is it because they are incompetent at business and can't succeed without artificial crutches like these rules? I think that's the reason.
Judging from your posts on this board, you definitely fall into the "incompetent businessman" category. So let me know when you make a profit. Until then, enjoy working for free, moron.
Oh and Tony, relax a little. The way you write on here, you sound like you're about to pop a blood vessel in your head. Calm down a bit and think about whether a company that hasn't made you any money is worth defending so vehemently.
yes I was at the retirement, Joe and Alan retired the same day. Doug retired a different day..No I do not knowthe exact day but I can email the pics to you.
Most Coliseums are free...thats why they use only certain ones. For instance Greensboro, Knoxville, Greenvilee SC are free..Charlotte is not, thus thats why they do not use it.
A city will give the coliseum free to encourage large groups to visit the city, in return they make money off parking, concessions, and hotel tax.
By the way I knew Joe when he got in, I hid at functions with him.
You still did not address the tool system money made..You overlooked the system money
Joe18> Let's say that the IBO's were all unemployed and they only had enough money for the sign up kit and to buy one month's worth of 100PV. Now the only way these IBO's could make money and create volume is to retail. Tell me if the business still works?
T> what a dumb ### question?? Where do you get the $$ to shop where YOU shop Joe?? Let's say EVERYONE was unemployed, and had no money, how much money is WM and biggs gonna make?
No one ever said you had to buy your stuff with profit from the biz.
Joecool18> Tony, you're right. In both cases, the model doesn't work. In the Quixtar diamond's business and for retail businesses like WalMart, the income made by those companies comes from the income people make from their JOBS.
This is unlike a real business where they are financed and then their overhead is paid for and profits come from customers. Yes, the customer need jobs to pay for stuff, but in the quixtar model, the IBO's are the customers. A real business can survive without the owner purchasing all the inventory. If a Mcdonald's owner ate at burger king every day, guess what? The McDonald's owner still makes money.
The bottom line is Tony, that the diamond's are getting rich off their downline's JOBS, and not from their downline's business, because there aren't enough retail sales.
Oh, and Tony, you can get a stadium or arena for free if you are able to book a huge convention where you will fill up the hotels and restaurants for a weekend.
HA HA!!! - You are such a puppet Tony! - and you don't even realize it!
About your "degree" - I put those in quotes because they are your direct quotes! Look em' up ball-less.
You'll be another useless sap at FED - But GO DIAMOND!!
DI> Oh and Tony, relax a little. The way you write on here, you sound like you're about to pop a blood vessel in your head. Calm down a bit and think about whether a company that hasn't made you any money is worth defending so vehemently.
Joecool> Tony, I agree. This site shouldn't be to get all worked up. It's obvious you have a passion for the business but it's just a site to discuss and debate issues. You made some good points, but so have many of the "critbots" here. For myself, the bottom line is that the majority of people who sign up to do this business end up with less money than they started and that was not the intention. I know it's been said many times that maybe they were lazy or whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot more people lose money than make money. Basic math proves it.
I agree as well Tony,
I know I am calm as I write. I have solid convictions based on factual proof. It appears that you have solid convictions based on nothing at all and when the proof is presented, you can't deal with it any other way than by getting frustrated (I could be wrong in all this btw), however, If a neutral observer comes to this site and sees the only pro-IBO ranting and raving with edited text swear words, is that the upstandingness they teach you? Is that any way to represent a company? Do you think that you are going to win your point by insulting someone? List the facts, if there any (or enough to merit involvment), you might consider leaving.
The facts lately appear to be:
1. The Quixtar prices, in general, are far higher than competing products for a similar, if not inferior, product.
2. For every one person who makes sufficient money to live, there are statistically multiple times more (perhaps hundreds) who are LOSING money to support those making it.
3. It would appear that the majority of the profits made by the 'higher ups' are made by the sale of tools, not products.
4. There are too many rules and restraints applied to the IBO's from the company to be considered 'Free Enterprise' or even a ligit business.
5. And my personal vandeta (or however that word is spelled) is that the business promotes a false and damning Christianity as the core to it's function.
And there are many other fact-based points, please list more if I missed them anyone.
Here's More Xanadustc:
It appears that "residual" income is a myth.
Based on the numbers of IBO's back in the 70's to now, it appears that there hasn't been any real growth in Amway/Quixtar in North America.
It appears that there are far fewer diamonds than what IBO's claim based on stats provided by quixtar itself.
It appears that Quixtar diamonds are no better than the general population in terms of marriage/divorce. When I was in the biz, they spoke of a zero % divorce rate among active couples. What happened to Howie Danzik, Bill Britt, Paul Miller, etc?
It appears that quitar has a lot of lawsuits against them. Sure, big companies all have some of these, but the quixtar suits all appear to be about unlawful practices or dispute over tools monies.
Very eloquently stated, Mr X.
By the way, the correct spelling is: vendetta.
I'd like to throw in an additional point. This concerns the issue earlier on in the thread about whether IBOs are encouraged to reject their non-IBO family / friends / acquaintances...
One of the first things I asked my would-be sponsor was: 'Is this a cult?'
The response was: 'A cult? (laughs) Yes, that's what I thought when I first saw it...'
Once again (I've raised this subject before) a quite sophisticated mind trick to lower your defences. My would-be sponsor had the self same misgivings as I did! He related to me!
It's been well documented that in the bad old days of Amway, the distributors would associate less with friends / family who did not take part.
Now, if I were in the upper echelons of Quixtar, I would be telling my IBOs to spend time with their friends / family regardless of whether they were involved. After all, by doing so one of the arguments against this particular MLM is refuted.
However, I'll wager that once one gets to the higher level, the spiel of the upline will change to:
'Well [Mr Downline] you are now a direct, do you understand the additional sacrifices that are needed now? It's time to reprioritise your free time...'
It's all a case of the more advanced information being fed to the people at the higher levels, once they are 'ready' for it.
After all, you wouldn't feed steak to a foetus, would you?
Tony> Oh, and I never said the average Diamond makes $1million. I've said Repeatedly like the plan shows - the average Diamond makes $150,000/year! No tools, just Qx $!
The average EDC and above Does make close to $1mil a year though.
My upline Diamond said he makes about $50,000 a month average!
Anything else?
Joecool> So an average diamond (6 directs) makes about $150K but an average EDC (9 directs) makes close to a million. Tony, you care to explain the math on that? It really doesn't make any sense. How can adding 3 more direct legs (average EDC) result in making more than 6 times more than an average diamond? Please explain this to me. Thanks.
from tony:
"Honestly, I'm really geting tired of making the same arguments to the new breeds of critbots that discover this site each month. I think after FED you won't be seeing much of me,"
Aw, c'mon now tony, don't let us critbots get to you.
All we are is a bunch of morons. Do you mean that you're going to let that stop you from coming on here? I mean, you're so much smarter than us.
Whatever happened to "No Quit" Tony?
You need to get your batteries recharged, Tony. Maybe you need to buy and listen to a few more rah-rah amquix tapes. I suggest at least 3 a day. Also, make sure that you attend ALL of the functions, and remember what they say - come early and stay late.
Follow my advice, big guy, and pretty soon you'll be calling all the shots around here once again - KING(PIN) TONY!!!
I never thought I'd say this - but geez, give Tony a break.
It just seems some people are just going out of their way to antagonize him.
Sure, I've been on the receiving end of some of his tirades - I remember the whole "lawnmower" deal, it was me who questioned the whole shipping thing, but that was long ago.
I've had my fun and teased him too, but enough's enough - it's just turning into one big pissing match.
In fact, of the Pro-Q people who post here, Tony would be my bet to go Emerald or Diamond. He definitely has the drive and conviction.
- On the flip side -
Tony, I think you're right when you say you need to focus more on your business.
Maybe taking a break from the blog is in order. I just don't see where reacting to every little thing the "mindless critbots" writes here gets you any closer to where you want to be.
As you stated, you have the uplines' success to follow - so, in all seriousness and not to be crass, maybe it is time to
"sh!t or get off the pot".
Be honest - you've talked a lot about what you are going to do, and have admitted you haven't really dedicated the time to build your business.
So why not now?
Food for thought. Nothing more, nothing less.
Bruce:
It is very simple, Poorhouse Tony shouldn't be here if he can't take it. He seems pretty well versed in dishing it, so he should be able to take it....
He isn't winning any arugments here, nor is he winning over any new prospects.
So, as you said, he should leave and focus on his business. He should find some hapless retard looking at video games at BestBuy and recruit him.
Those of us armed with the knowledge about Tony's business plan won't be duped.
Eventually, as these truths disseminate into the general public (see: QBlog's post about the new blogs coming out), leaving AmQuix to rely on the uneducated and/or desperate parts of our society as the next-gen. IBO.
And that will be the downfall of A/Q. It isn't market saturation, it won't be uncompetitive pricing nor substandard product. It will be an educated consumer...or....prosumer...whatever....
I think that we've just heard the last from good ole tony. The poor boy just couldn't take it any more over here.
Let's face it, if this were a boxing match, this would have been over in round 1 for him.
Well, he did outscore us in the category of most efficient use of vulgarity and abusive language....
At this point, I guess that all I can say is:
GOOD LUCK TONY WITH YOUR FUTURE QUIXSCAM BUSINESS!!!
DF said: "So, as you said, he should leave and focus on his business. He should find some hapless retard looking at video games at BestBuy and recruit him."
B - I think he want to catch a guy at Circuit City instead! :0)
Anyhow, I put in my .02 worth - I would figure the constant round and round arguing would get tiring - hence why I stopped responding to his arguments long ago.
You're right - if one is going to post here, be ready to take your lumps like evryone else.
Don't think for a second that you guys chased me off! I told you guys, I'm gonna stop wasting time and energy on here, and focus more on my job, and my business!
I agree with Bruce on both accounts - its like "some people here just go out of there way to antagonize" me... and "if you're gonna post be ready to take your lumps"!
I never cried foul, bruce was the one that said it.
mlm> The poor boy just couldn't take it any more over here.
Let's face it, if this were a boxing match, this would have been over in round 1 for him.
T> yea, says You buddy! Not to mention You're the 'poor boy'. Over in round 1? What a load of BS. Why don't you go back and re-read the 1st post of:
http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/archives/2005/06/happy_forumversary.php#comments
This was back in June. I've rebuttled every argument you guys put forth, from 70% rule to prices, to tools! You may not agree with me, thats why its called an Argument!! But sayng this was"over in the 1st round" is your biased critbot opinion.
And for the record, I never called anyone who quit a loser. I've said from day 1, that its not for everyone and just because you quit doesn't make you a loser! Someone said thats 1 of the 3 main arguments from All IBOs! Well surprise, surpirse, ANOTHER BS lie from a critic!! I NEVER made that argument!
And I outscore you guys on vulgar and abusive language?? HA! Talk about selective reading. I started out civil until you band of critbots, starting bashing me! Vulgar?? No, no, 'df' takes the ribbon on that one!! And lets not forget prasad's promotion of street violence!
Its been fun guys, but now I'm gonna go retail some more XS, get some corporate gift album accounts, and try to keep up with my 22 yr old sponsor making $2500 a month! Have fun assuming, generalizing, passing blame, twisting #'s, and throwing out hateful comments to new IBOs trying to share their personal experiences.
Oh, and check out www.thisbiznow.com - pretty cool stuff,
and you can see the gift albums at : http://www.quixtar.com/products/content.aspx?pid=2811&ctg=7017
If you don't see the value in these, I can't help you.
Hello Webrawl Guy,
Why do you sit around and criticize people? As matter of fact I am in these videos and the thing you do not realize is that you have a lack of knowledge about our Team. Our Team is not for you to analyze since you have never been apart of it in anyway shape or form. Just because you were registered in Quixtar does not give you the right to give our Team the same rap. I did not see the name Quixtar in the URL. We are sorry you had a bad experience with your run at this type of business, but obliviously you were not anywhere nearly involved with our Team or Structure in anyway shape or form.
Please remove all comments about the EXTREME FREEDOM TEAM and the linage from you webpage. I am asking nicely. Seriously, this Team weather U like it or not has done it by the Book and the Right Way! This Team is doing this for the right reason weather you like it or not. These videos are not to brag but to show people that have given up on life that fun is possible and our Team lives it. These videos show the intangibles. The only reason someone would put down people down having show much fun is so they do not have to look in there own mirror and change the person they see.
Please stop putting people down and go out and help someone over come there fears. You can not do this hiding behind a computer. The thing people love about our Team is that people are doing this all the time and you can feel it just by entering the room with a bunch of Champions, and no a bunch of Champions is not all Wealthy Diamonds and money makers they are people with a cause and a purpose bigger than themselves.
O.k I read this whole Blog and it comes down to 2 things. One is believing in hope and people or Two tearing people down and disrespecting others dream be settling to not stretch out side of what you are capable. This Team Works Guys and it is Awesome!!
Your statement about the Diamonds and Emeralds is Not Correct. Many of each are new since Quixtar launched. In our business we highlight the Tool Business and show it off and do it right. It is not to hide because if people will embrace it and use it they will be better off because of it. No other business has the solution the help people grow mentally in appositive direction. The things taught on this Team in a majority are being craved by kids all over America and the world. It is about Hope and believing in another person. This is not Bull Crap either. This is the best thing you can do with your life like other top giving and top producing profit and non profit organizations you can not classify what our Team is doing with what you did. I guarantee if you were on our Team. #1 you would have more fun than sitting there beating people up who are trying to do something for themselves and others and you would also smell better since you might use some good product because your attitude stinks.
Hi Freedom Fighter,
I think you may have a reading comprehension problem. My comments were simply "Extreme Freedom Baby!" How is that critical? How is that "putting people down?" I'm not hiding behind anything. I attach my name to this blog unlike you who choose to post anonymously. Who's really hiding?
No! And I am not about to choose a battle of words with you. Successful people post negative things on websites all day if at all since they are out helping others and accomplishing things for our families and futures. To sit around and talk about others is criticism and nobody likes hanging out with these kinds of people. I stumbled along this posting by accident which is scary in itself. I feel so bad for all of those who do stumble along it as well since they might not get a fair try at what has helped me and others in many areas including financial because of what you created. Your facts are wrong, and I am not hiding at all. I flat out do not want to have anything to do with you or this blog so I will refrain from it. Everything you do is misleading just like you saying that I need to post my details. You do this just to egg people on and after reading some of your other blogs I can others can easily see my point. This is not some kind of game like you treat it. Like I said I am sorry you got hurt, but it was not this business that hurt you. When ever you deal with people in anything you have this chance. Your best to just forgive and move on. We are helping real people with real issue and this does work and it is the best system out there and there are good if not great people doing this for the right reasons. If you want to talk about compensation go open a McDonald’s or a Subway or a Video store and then let us know how you would do or any other business looked at by the FTC. You will find for those that apply them selves in this win and the achieve mag shows that with all kinds of Silvers and Platinum’s.
Once gain please remove the Extreme Freedom Team link and webpage posting from your site and the public internet. We have not done anything to warrant this traffic and link to your site. The link is not to be posted on your site and the author has not given you permissions to duplicate this. We would thank you for this. One again we are sorry for your experience with other Teams involved with similar model but not the same as ours. Please respect this and take your issues and concerns and post them about your personal experience with the team you were involved with. Extreme Freedom Team handles issues and addresses them appropriately while helping to improve anything that needs fixing so we can empower people to succeed in life. Please understand this.
Seal Team 9
In response to
Posted by: Lisa at August 30, 2005 02:09
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I realised they were being herded into a conference room for yet another meeting/rally.
Hey what an exciting party!!!!
Posted by: Lisa at August 30, 2005 02:09
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From Janet:
Well if you really want to know the Weirs have a sweet movie theater and actually at the end of the party we watch a great movie to fit the time of the season. It was awesome! I can say it did involve Jesus too. Something that would have been a no no with my JOB! What you do not understand is the fun we have and people like the Weir are Awesome Giving people who are a American Heroes. What you also did not see were the 100s and 1000’s of dollars that was given at the party to buy presents for people at the local homeless shelters and needy foundations in town. From Bibles to little kids Christmas list that we fulfilled. The party might show just the fun but maybe we should have shown you the gift wrapping to. Then later that night the countless hours driving across town to deliver these presents. One lady when she answered the door all she could do it cry since they did not even have a Christmas tree. She said this was an answered too Prayer and also accepted the Bible left with her. You might now try to consider this a something crazy but believe what ever you want. Today she has decided to live life to it fullest because we made a difference by giving up time to build something great. There are countless more stories great stories. You people need to stop posting bad stuff about other team. You do not know the half of what good this group is doing. I thank God this group does not flich just because people like you are throwing tomatoes. They are strong.
I am sorry to say, Janet, but a whole lot of people talk a whole lot about God. These people are Godless if they are using that as a platform for wealth. Do you not see that for every one person that is helped in this system, thousands are harmed. In this light, please read Matthew 7:21-23.
Thanks,
X
I hope this is my last posting since I can feel your heart and it is full of anger. Only hate can fester on this long almost like a terrorist. You seriously need some help and you are on our prayer board for (Love and Hope). Anything positive that is typed is turned around just like you did again. You said, "Demands", asking is hoping that there is someone with integrity on the other end who can reasonable deal with logic of right and wrong. Demands are given with a threat. A Threat was clearly not given at all. But you mislead people again. Logic says, "You have nothing to do with this Team", but you still feel the need to express your feelings weather right or wrong. You have had no personal or single contact with anyone associated to the Extreme Freedom Team. I am sorry you do not see this logic like your readers will. Move on and accomplish something else great. You obviously have a talent. Go use it to help improve someones life rather than tearing others down.
For (xanadustc) what you don't know, you don't know! So just stay out
People build this business and others for many reasons on many platforms but you are thinking way too much and you have no logical point. Go out and help someone do something great. I see your name all over this site. If you did not want to build the business that is fine. Seriously go move on to something else. Go study http://www.gospelcom.net and do your search in the Bible gateway under any translation you desire and finish the chapter to told me to read. Millions of people are touched thru that one site alone and not harmed by our Team but Blessed for what they learn and there are many, many, many more. Not all users become IBO's either it is created out of Love unlike this webblog. Our point exactly.
If people did not build there businesses people all over Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Russia, USA, China, and many, many others places would not be able to educate themselves in the Word. People go online everyday secretly just to view it since there government and the people around them would shoot them it they did educate themselves publicly. You would be amazed at this outreach if you could see the hits to this site and where they are coming from. Yes that site is also funded by Profitable IBO's and the Quixtar Owners but you do not see QUIXTAR ALL OVER IT. It takes people of success in mind heart and spirit to do things on top of what they learn with a good heart and attitude. People can see what your guys are doing and you are not upholding any value to freedom but tearing it apart with people who can not stand on there own yet. The last time I looked people have a mind of there own. Let them decide if it is good or bad. Lastly you mentioned people being hurt. What about the lives that are changed and impacted in a positive way and now are doing great things because of it? Do they count toward the cause?
Show me one person because they read this site that get hope enough to do something great because they visited. This site is not against Quixtar, it is against anything that America Stands for. This world is not made for equals. Here in the USA you can fight to be unequal in what you aspired to do in life. Go move to Iraq or North Korea and with this thought process. Maybe we can arrange something so you can go on the next next HALO jump. Then you can decide if you want a Team for the way out.
Seal Team 9 - What are we you ask “The Best of the Best that uphold Freedom Any Where at Anytime".
Congratulations, freedomfighter, you've just managed to babble on for a long time without actually SAYING anything. Why don't you ask your team to help you with your writing skills so that you can actually get your point across quickly and concisely (assuming you have a point).
F1F>For (xanadustc) what you don't know, you don't know! So just stay out
X>F1F, I hereby challenge you to a theological debate on any religious forum you chose. This is not the place, though, the religion section of the forum on this site is nice. Care to defend the Word-Faith movement influence on your thoughts?
Here is a tip: God doesn't need your money. If you hurt ONE person in your quest for money to fill the kingdom, that is one person too many.
You seem to have claimed that I don't touch any lives. Even as (I assume) your precious mentor Bill Britt claims on a few tapes, "Money is an indicator of your service to your fellow man. Many people don't have any because they render no service".
Truely, I tell you this, Money is nothing but paper. Fleating at that. I happen to be one of the most effective children's ministers in this area and I don't get paid a DIME for my work. My ministry extends further than the church, as I have kids that I keep contact with from other states and regions. I spend time with them, teach them, mentor them. No money is involved.
The Apostle Paul was OFFERED money for his work in the church and he often times did not take it. As I recall, it was the contribution from the Phillipian church that he did take because of need.
My point in all that is this: money is neutral, but it is clear from your site that money is your PURSUIT.
BTW, for anyone curious, I was asked to read the rest of the chapter of Matthew:
The remainder of the chapter is a stern warning to follow the sayings and teachings up to this point. It is the story of the two foundations, one that is built on sand, and one that is built on rock. An exegesis of that parable will inidcate that they looked exactly the same from the outside and it was only when the storm came that the truth was told.
F1F, this is the storm: I challenge you to a debate. Email me at xanadustc@hotmail.com to accept.
Oh Janet, you poor naive thing
"What you also did not see were the 100s and 1000’s of dollars that was given at the party to buy presents for people at the local homeless shelters and needy foundations in town"
Really? Did you actually deliver all that money? Or did your "leaders"?
If your leaders are anything like other leaders (see Fish Deposition) you may want to call for a quick $$ recount.
Not saying that's what happened.
But I'm not saying it didn't happen either.
Your leaders would never do that? Too much integrity? Ask to see their financials, you need to see proof.
They won't show you, because they make most of their money off of you buying useless motivational tools and attending useless motivational rallies.
That's the truth. Despite what you are told to believe.
Rocket,
Chances are, they gave thousands of dollars to charity. All cult groups do this.
1. it temporarily satifies the conscience
2. it gives a justification for fleecing people
3. it makes the system look very good.
Remember that cults look very good and benevolent on the outside.
What I don't understand is if the concept is
"Buy from yourself and teach others to do the same", why do they need an elaborate series of endless tapes and seminars to teach you such a simple concept? Self motivated people will endure and the rest will do nothing. They don't need a teaching system for such an obviously easy concept.
You guys are ruthless and yes we were there to deliver the Presents! Yes I saw lives impacted. How shallow are you to put this down just because you do not believe. Look at what you guys are doing and take a good look in the mirror. Why would you put this down and try to make me or others feel bad for good that we are doing? Also the comments you made like it temporarily satisfying the conscience or makes the system look good. People that think like this are not Christ like. Look at it though the eyes of hope and you will see something totally different. Your perspective is wrong. The only reason this was brought up was because you were attacking some else’s Christmas Party, Remember.
Seriously how shallow can you people get? We talk about one thing and multiple people blast it ultimately because they lost the ability to love or trust others. I feel dirty just talking to all of you. You can feel it from each posted response almost like talking to Satan himself. This site is full of strong holds and strife and for the majority the put downs are not coming from the IBOs if look. People only give out of the abundance of the heart and the reason why the Weirs or the others are successful is because of there unselfish giving. If you knew them at all and not what you see on a dumb site you would understand.
All I hope is that this might also inspire you to give during this Holiday seasons or all the time. I can feel your pains and hurt. I will pray for you as well.
“I found my first platinum leg as a co-worker at IBM. He went to a plan and said ‘Doug, I can’t get started, I’m getting married, I have a lot of things going on in my life, I can’t get started’, so I said ‘I’ll tell you what, I’m going to sponsor a bunch of other people and I might not be able to sponsor you if you don’t get in now.’, and he did. It wasn’t totally truthful, but I got him in.�
-Doug Weir, JM42; "Radical Freedom"
“One of my college buddies, I asked him to go to a plan and he checked with his parents and they said ‘no.’ I finally put him on a line and said, ‘Hey, are we best friends or what?’ He said ‘We’re best friends’, and I said ‘Well, then, you need to go to a meeting with me or else I will be insulted as your friend.’�
-Doug Weir, JM42; "Radical Freedom"
If these happened and Doug repented of these, I could suggest he has the love of Christ, however, since he did this, and then boasted about it publically on stage, and then BWW sent that tape to EVERYONE ON SOT in the network. It is clear that Doug acted to get money, whether he gives it away or not is not the issue at hand. EVERY CULT DOES GOOD SOCIAL DEEDS. That does NOT qualify them as good people.
Janet - "Seriously how shallow can you people get? "
I haven't been the one creating websites showing what me & my family do for fun, so that people with less money can dream about when they get to my "level"
Amway/Quixtar people are about as shallow as you can get. FACT.
Don't pray for me, I don't need it. I'll pray for you. Have you even LOOKED at the websites critical of Amway? Did your upline tell you not to?
Why?
Bottom Line - Your upline makes the majority of their money by selling useless motivational tools to you and your buddies.
How much volume do you do? Not much, I'll bet. Does it cost a lot to do your share? That's weird too. When's the last time you walked into a store where they encouraged you to buy more, so you're doing your share?
Just think about it with your own brain, OK?
xanadustc,
You must have been hurt big time. Your mind set is like steel. With all your Holy Talks above you must wear a Black Robe around all day. Just how you talk about this topic means it has to carry over into other parts of your life. The underlining of this judgment must come from a past hurt as a child somewhere and probably surfaced before you met this group which causes you to try to pick this apart. You need to find out what that was and go back to them and forgive this person or association and over come it. I have never seen people so critical even in my ministry works as well. You quote Doug's Cd's and pull words and meaning well out of context. The way one thinks if negative or positive will create a different outlook on the same sentences or message. It is like looking at a glass that is half empty or have full. What Doug said was not bad. You just did not see the end result of why he said what he did out of excitement. Number one, the reason why Doug told his friend that was because of what empowered him on a Sunday morning and how his life was changed for the better. It also was out pure excitement of building his business to help his friend because he could see how it would help his friend and himself. Like Paul Harvey would say, “Here is the rest of the story�. You also do not know this person and what happen to him either.� As a result of it his friend learned some truth at a conference that he is for ever grateful for. If you ever ask personally (Steve), even though he is not active in the business he will tell you that he is forever grateful even though he did not want to do the business. You can still look at it as just the money game too and never see thru the glass. You’re looking at the same glass we see thru but you can only see the glass as a solid opaque colored object and not the contents of what is inside or on the other side. Dream bigger look past your small issues and believe in what is possible. With a Dream you will be able make the glass clearer. With love you can do all things. Weather you like it or not Doug has made a huge impact in the world of lives changed for the better. Not all of these people are TOP GUN IBO’s either. Just because you have a following does not make your group a cult. What it means is that people like being a part of what you’re doing and believe in it. You must think that George W. Bush runs a cult with his inner cabinet, also Joel Osteen www.lakewood.cc, Kenneth Copeland www.kcm.org, John Maxwell www.injoy.com, or Robert Schuller www.crystalcathedral.org. These people I listed are not cult leaders either and also believe in our group but if Google them they have negative websites about them with people tearing them down as well. What is sad is some of your partner’s beating us up are the same ones beating them up as well. These people usually do this because of reasons justifiable like yours. They are judgmental and are not willing to forgive and grow. Go out and become a believer of people in what ever they decide to commit to. You need to get rid of your anger.
Jan>Number one, the reason why Doug told his friend that was because of what empowered him on a Sunday morning and how his life was changed for the better.
X>So the ends justifies the means does it?
Jan>Just because you have a following does not make your group a cult
X> You are correct, what makes your group a cult is the employment of mind control techniques which are clearly documented by cult experts. Steve Hassan has a great A/Q page. Check it out:
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/a/amway/
Jan>You must think that George W. Bush runs a cult with his inner cabinet, also Joel Osteen www.lakewood.cc, Kenneth Copeland www.kcm.org, John Maxwell www.injoy.com, or Robert Schuller www.crystalcathedral.org.
X> With the exception of GWB (And I am not familar with Osteen), all these people are Word-Faith teachers (not cult leaders). In case you didn't know, Word-Faith is an apostic christian movement! You have been blinded into believing it is truth. What those people teach is EXACTLY what Paul had in mind while writing to Timothy that people will be lovers of themselves, not holding firm to true doctrine and wanting their ears tickled, they will set themselves up teachers.
Now, for your allegations, I happen to have a vast knowledge of information on baggage and helping others forgive, such that I get invited to small groups to teach a method of "Overcoming Past Baggage" program that I designed! I am not 'lacking forgiveness', I am using Christian Discernment. I recommend that you read Lutzers "Who are you to Judge?" for a firm understanding of that topic.
BTW, to quote John MacArthur as he was relating a story someone told to him:
"This is John MacArthur. He is a lot nicer in person than in his books." John responds by saying that in books, it is harder to demonstrate love. He is correct. I am one of the most loving people you will ever find. You don't run as many children's ministries as I do without being a loving person. I also happen to have a detailed knowledge on cults, psychology, therapy, and counseling (just not professional degrees in those fields hence I am a scientist by occupation where I do hold degrees)
Hello on coming Readers,
Please read this entry and the ones above and you will see with logic which side someone will want to venture if you truel llok at the conversations here. Ask you’re self if the people putting down this business model or Team down have a larger motive. There claims are all based on what looks like a personal problem with some type of relationship they had with whom ever they were in business with before and in this case it seems to have nothing to do with this Extreme Freedom Team. Also during the meeting I went to they told me about this site and a few select others and how there are different views opposing and believing in this business model before we ever started. Also it looks like the People trying to put this Team down were not even a part of it. They claim to know these people but also have had no personal relationships with any of them but they still draw on with there campaign. I think the campaign is part jealousy but also something larger than that. After reading these entries I would like to be apart of the Extreme Freedom Team just to show these people that anything is possible if you do it for the right reason with morals and ethics. Plus the business model is not complicated and does not cost as much as opening a new real-estate office. I saw the plan the other day and went here because a friend told me about it. I beat him up for years telling gim that it would not work. I made him the joke of the party and then I tried to prove him wrong. He never bashed me but he won me over simplely by making it work. He always would say, “Well Paul, What else is there out there?â€Â. I would always come up with something, but I was so hardheaded that I did not want to admit that he was right or atleast doing something I was not willing to do yet. My friend just went platinum and if he did it then I know I can. As I watched closely he never took advantage of anyone including me. The people I met at the meeting were very up front and honest. Yes I am not naïve either, of course there was few people I could tell I did not like but the Team I am on seems to be awesome and over all I the people were pretty succesful out side of this business with other professions. Yes I know about the Tool business too. The way I see it is it is better be apart of this than let Borders or Wal-Mart benefit on the book or CD sales.
As you look at the entries you can cleary see something. The IBO's clearly you can see are point full and encouraging while the opposing dark side is all over this site telling you that it is a pointless scam that hurts people. These people putting this down have nothing better to do with there time. The reason why I know is because I used to be in there shoes. I had no hope and figured I would just work for ever. I would just put everyone down around me since I thought they were a threat to me for some weird reason. My friend Mark gave me a book called the Choice and told me to read it before I came to the meeting. WOW if I were not even to pursue this any further I am thankful this dude built his business big enough for me to listen to him so I could read “The Choiceâ€Â, by Og Mandino.
Now as I seen in other entries just watch, they will bash me in some way shape or form. Well I do not know if I am going to go Diamond and make millions of bucks but I do know I can do that Platinum thing and I know that is worth at least $32,000. I might check back in with a check back in with a check or not since I do not like hanging around people who are going to ter me down.. Do enjoy the Garbage they will post below.
Greetings Paul,
Welcome to the board. Contrary to your statements, I have never cut anyone down on this board. I do acknowledge that some do, however. I do not agree with this. I argue the facts. I have a few questions for you:
1. How many people are successful and how many are unsuccessful in Quixtar?
2. If the MO systems are not dangerous cults, why do Steve Hassan and Margret Singer both say they are (they are experts in that field)
3. What is the annual cost of following the 'proven system' vs. the average income in Quixtar?
4. How well, statistically speaking, does that 'proven system' work?
Like you, I have also walked hard and committed on both sides of the fence. It would appear (and correct me if I am wrong), that you made a decision to get started on the basis of 1 person going Platinum after years in the business to make $30,000 a year?
How long has he been involved? What is his net profit?
Thanks,
X
Paul> These people putting this down have nothing better to do with there time.
Joe> Pot, meet kettle, kettle, meet pot.
Paul, welcome to the board. I too do not have anything against the business, if it is run like a business. That is making retail sales to generate profits.
If your group teaches "buy from yourself and teach others to do the same", then you are participating in a negative sum game where the wealthy big pins are making their money from the participants (aka the average IBO's on the "team") Without retail sales, the wealth portrayed by the diamonds are coming from their downline's jobs and not from customers.
The reason why I post here is to be an informant so that if new IBO's sign up, they do so by making an informed decision and not by riding a wave of excitement.
I noticed that many IBO's try to sign people up riding the wave of excitement rather than by having them research the business and verify income claims to make a decision as to whether the opportunity is worth the investment of time and money.
Why is that? In any other venture, people require solid proof of income claims before even considering it. I wonder why it is the quixtar people avoid verifying income claims. Showing someone a check from your upline triple ripple diamond isn't proof. More fairly, what is the income for the majority of the participants?
Hello,
Just wanted to add a quick note about that party that Barney mentions. I am in the lloyd's group and am crossline to the sadden's.
you are lying about that party. i was at the party and it cost $5 for a ticket. the cost covered the community hall rental and christmas party decorations. an ex-dd decorated the hall with helium balloons and it was nice.
they also hired a DJ in the lloyd's group to play music. he was a professional DJ. it was a good time. you sound just like you want to tell lies.
i know garry does have a cell phone business but is not too active with that anymore. his business appears to be growing steadily and he is dynamic. don has also always done some drywall on the side. nothing worng with 'green stuff'.
next time you write something maybe make the facts accurate.
Mike and Susan Bundy are Diamonds and make over 7 figured a year. Why? Because Joe Markiewicz is in his downline.
Tony, why are you even talking to these losers. There is no point in trying to reason with people who clearly know nothing about our business. Oh yea and for all of you people who think you do, my upline diamond doesnt make my team pay for tools, yea thats right he doesnt make any money off our tools..............dont worry Tony they are the tools and we will be making money off them when they are washing our cars and picking up our mess. Just forgive them, forget them and move on with your life GO DIAMOND!!
My name is Joe and I am 32 years old. I have a degree in economics from Penn State University, and I am currently a business advisor. I'm not in quixtar but I researched the company before my little brother got in and he asked me to post my findings. I will state factual evidence as to what is right and what is wrong with this business.
Now, for starters I'm still confused as to why grown adults waste there time on here speaking negatively and positively about the company. Do you not have better things to do than to be bitter or to argue with bitter people?
The facts. First, and it should be enough, the quixtar business is backed by the BBB, (Better business B.)That's our own government folks who says it's okay. Next, Forbes ranks the company on the best run private companies in the world. Third, the Quixtar company did over a billion dollars in sales last year. Now if it were illegal, don't you think the government would have taken a closer look at it after it suprassed a billion dollars? Also, there are tons of affiliate companies like circuit city and office depot linked into the site. Do you really think that the hundreds of circuit city's lawyers said, well quixtar's illegal but it's worth the risk. Come on.
However, quixtar is just a website. By being an "IBO" or independent business owner, it's like having a membership to a gym. Just because you are a card carrying member does not mean you will become ripped. Right?
Successful business owners vs. unsuccessful ones. In my research I found that quixtar is just a website, and it's the team that you are apart of that you should be aware of. There are a lot of teams that I would consider subcontractors of quixtar. Kind of like the NFL. Some teams are doing it right, aka the awesome Steelers, while other teams are doing terrible, like well you get the point. The business teams have different strategies and have nothing to do with one another. Since my brother is on the winters team I will just stick to their principles, but I found outrages principles with other teams so be careful!!!
I found the winters team's tapes and cds to be motivational, as well as technical on how to build the business. No different than the tapes and cds you would find at a barnes and noble. Yes, they make profit off of there cds and books, but so does barnes and noble. Now if someone is buying tools over eating then they are just being well idiotic!
Products. Yes most of the products are more expensive than your walmart brands, but you will be comparing apples to oranges. Instead of comparing the vitamins "nutrilite" for example to walmart's brand, you should be comparing nutrilite to GNC's all natural vitamins. Exactly the same price.
Finally, I have personally seen one of those men on the Extreme freedom team videos help my brother make a thousand dollars residually and he's only 19. Most of the men make a hundred K a year and I was impressed by that. My brother was, what they say "in-depth" from the man and under a platinum leg. Or my brother's success really doesn't have a benefit towards the man's success.
Joe
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It would also be hard to have one of the founders son's running for Governor in Michigan.
Its business, its supports Free Enterprise, and anything that supports Free Enterprise and Freedom is worthwhile.
Don't let one bad apple spoil the bunch. Discard the bad apple and move on.
Its not wrong to make money on tools or support materials. Textbook publishers make loads of money when they sell textbooks off broke college kids. Thats besides the fact that many need college loans to even pay for books in the first place.
In anycase anyone who reads the stuff written on this blog should be very careful to trust what they read on the internet. It would do many people good to do quality research and understand the viability of any business whether its Quixtar, or a traditional business.
I'd recommend any franchise system that provides quality products with customer service second to none, Quixtar is just that.
I'd also recommend utilizing a business support system (like any good business does) to make sure your profits are effective and residual allowing you to live your life with your family.
Afterall family is more important.
I have just read through this blog...and the only thing I have to say about this is the ones that complain the loudest are the ones that have no idea what is going on in their own lives much less this business where they ASSume much of what they are saying. I am in depth in Greg Francis' group, which makes me in depth from Larry Winters.
Something no one has clearly identified in these messages is the one thing that most people are arguing about...that's the fact that I shop and get paid money for it!! I also have a nice sized customer base under me to help fund my business. Ask yourself one thing...how many times have you shopped cheap at Walmart or Kmart or any other place and gotten a check back for ANY purchases made????? My point exactly. I get paid every month whether my downline does anything or not because I get off my butt and go meet new customers that want incredible products and awesome service. Most times you can't even get a hello out of a cashier....let alone a smile.
I'm not looking for an arguement...just wanting to let you all know that this is a real business and if you treat it right it treats you right in return.
Tony's tool money hard at work...
Posted by: dj | August 28, 2005 6:55 AM