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July 21, 2005
Young and in love with Quixtar
By Not QBlog in Quixtar
I came across this blog today and it got me wondering: Is this the face of the "new" Quixtar IBO? Or is it a fairly typical portrait? Two people who are very young, in love, excited about life -- and excited about where Quixtar is going to take them.
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I think it's fairly typical, but their site is in violation of Quixtar's rules. Posting generic ads for Quixtar online is not permitted.
PW
The only Quixtar couples I know include:
My ex-wife and her boyfriend. Her boyfriend is 31 yrs. old (she's 22), he just got a divorce and lost custody of his two young kids. My ex-wife lost custody of her six month old because of Quixtar. He is trying to sell his house, he can't afford it anymore. He has at least one other Quixtar IBO living with him to help pay the bills.
Then there is all my ex-wife's friends they are so broke that they have to have single Quixtar IBOs live in a house, they resemble a really strange cult all living together renting old homes trying to survive.
Then there are the older couples, like my ex-wife's "adopted mother" who encourage young adults to estrange themselves from their real families and those of us who really love and care about them and are not interested in making money off their efforts.
They all make sick to my stomach, literally I feel ill just writing about these pathetic excuses for..... Scum of the earth if you ask me, no offense to any past IBOs. I just hate that my son doesn't get to have his mommy and daddy together, and has to be so confused all over just a stupid thing like this.
I'm not sure that their site is in violation. Its a simple blog/personal site that doesn't have anything to do with their business besides the fact that they briefly mention the word Quixtar in their profile, and have a link to the main Qx page. They don't use any logos, talk about Any of the products or even list their IBO #. Its borderline though.
But yes, this is the "new face" of a Qx IBO, and yes it is typical. Their are many young couples in the biz and many that are doing well!
Hey df, ask the Markiewicz Kids, Leininger kids, Winters kids, and my upline Ruby's kids, how often they cry! This couple is possibly already doing pretty well, and by the time these kids are 5, all these kids will remeber is always having mommy and daddy around!
What isn't fair to kids is having to spend 10 hours a day in Daycare, and getting to play with daddy on Friday & Sat.
At this past Dreamnight they had a young couple up on stage that were 20 and 21 years old that were already Platinum. I don't think Their kids are ever going to know parents with a job, they'll be there all the time, except for 4 weekends a YEAR (which kids can come to the functions too), and at night when Dad is showing the plan.
Yea, that just sounds horrible :P
As a grandparent to the children of IBO's, I can attest my grandkids rarely see their parents. Between us and the other grandparents they are baby sat every weekend and pretty much every night. While thier parents are dream building and attending cult seminars, thier kids are being raised by us grandparents. It's sad, terribly sad. I know they will wake up regretting it some day.
Tony, u always talk about platinums and above pins, how about the very dominant majority of the faithful who will just lose time and money and who half of them quit each year?
In which movie it said, "Which books?"
Tonybot: Listen to JonasDad or the Grandfather posting here. They rep. the MAJORITY of what is going on in your little pyramid-shaped world.
Granted there a few outliers in the sample. But I am talking about thousands of kids, not just a few select kids of Diamonds.
What about school? Is public school bad because your kids spend 8 hours there?
Your daycare analogy doesn't hold up for the same reason.
Next, you are gonna promote home-schooling, just as a predicted a few months ago. You are soooo predictable Tonybot...
I can't speak for the typical age of new IBO's - the teacher who tried to recruit me is probably in his early 30's. I would think it would be in the interest of recruiters to target younger people. They have lots of energy, a long future ahead of them, they're idealistic and naive, (usually) don't have big responsibilities like caring for children or parents, and are more apt to believe what's told to them (no offense to young people - they'll mature, too). God help them all - and I DO NOT believe He's trying to help through Quixtar. Shame on the people who knowingly perpetuate that belief - how awful must the ones feel who wake up and realize they've scammed so many others. I now have to respond to my "recruiter's" email and let him down easily - after all, he's my daughter's teacher! Ahhhh!!
To Jason, I just want to say, "hang in there!" You and your son will be better off (emotionally) for the hard-earned battle you've won. Thank God you pushed! My parents divorced, I divorced (unwillingly), and have sometimes felt guilty for not being able to hold things together for the kids (the guilt for that is fading). In my opinion, your son is better off with the divorce having happened now rather than later. He really has no adjustment to make at his age - this will be what he knows (I acknowledge that that is sad in itself). Hang in there - he'll turn out fine with you leading him!!
When I see that blog and those pictures of those young kids, it just makes me sad. Very sad. How much money will they lose? How much time will they waste? How many people will they alienate? And how stupid will they feel when they look back and realize what they COULD have accomplished, had they put their efforts into something real, not a scam that's been perpetuated for decades, decades that are rapidly becoming generations.
My big question is, why can't someone stop this? If the government and all the big-money Republicans (and I consider myself a Republican...) were actually doing their jobs, then Amway would have been put out of business years ago, back when my parents got in for a while. And then I would have never gotten involved and nearly lost everything I truly care about.
Something is terribly wrong when this kind of robbery of unsuspecting people is allowed to continue.
Tony Said : "I'm not sure that their site is in violation. Its a simple blog/personal site that doesn't have anything to do with their business"
Tony, this is a direct quote from the site : "One of the purposes of this page is to let you all know about a wonderful buisness opportunity we have become involved with. Please take a look at the Quixtar web page."
df, no I'm not gonna promote home-schooling, i was neutral about it before the business. I have friends that were home schooled up to HS. I've already said I will not home school - I plan on putting my kids in a good neighborhood Catholic gradeschool, and then to the HS that I and my whole family went to. I've already stated that, get over it. Going to gradeschool 6 hours a day is different than Daycare nimwit! You HAVE to go to gradeschool! You don't HAVE to send your kids to Daycare, they can stay home with mommy who's free from a job, like some of my close upline are!
This is a business! It takes investment. How much $$ did my friend lose from college and never even got a stickin degree!? He took a risk - he started to make an investment in himself, but then quit.
So I don't consider going to functions for 2 years, and buying a CD a week, and then deciding to quit is any different! Thats the only money you can "lose". You spend $90-100 bucks to go to a function. I just got an email from FranklinCovey for a 1-day seminar on goal-setting... $299!!
Can someone call the BBB on them please, and Tony Robbins too! Hey grandpa, thats a pretty extreme case - so you literally watch the kids EVERY night of the week? From what I've seen, mostly the wife stays home at night. The man might go out, but its to get the job done. And there are ways you can spend time with the kids and build the business. Your son/daughter need to expand on that.
And if they really do go out 7 nights a week and never see their kids, I don't agree with that. She doesn't haven't to go with him everynight. I do support IBO's having a family life too. thats the way its done on our team.
vm, that was on one post on their blogpage, i said it was borderline. If they had link to a personal IBO page (OneDomain) or given their IBO#, etc. I'd definitely agree. They might need to get a password protected site, and then link to their blogsite. I had a site on Geocities that I password protected, but now I just use a OneDomain site.
people who actually sign up for quixtar arent lazy. just signing shows some ambition so there must be some other reason that the vast majority of IBO's never turn a profit. I say its because convincing someone to DO something, to SIGN up is... ridiculous. Id rather slave 9-5 every day than put up with peopels shit, make phone calls an try to persuade idiots to help themselves.
D & R international? The guy who tried to recruit me named his business Leon International. Are all these IBOs' business names as alike and as stupid as their recruitment speeches?
Some idiots are perfectly capable of helping themselves.
The trick is knowing who the idiots are.
PW
BTW, their site IS in violation of Quixtar's rules because theyinclude a link to the corporation on their home page which allows a person to download the SA4400 and other promotions about the opportunity without face-to-face contact.
Their blog says that you have to have a Hotmail account or email them directly in order to post a comment.
I wonder why.
PW
This unfortunately doesn't surprise me. Young couples are easy targets in a lot if cases. They can be naive, trusting and have big dreams and want to be able to spend time together. So when Quixtar comes along and tells them their dreams can come true, they sometimes follow blindly.
I've watched my good friend of 8 years flush his life down the drain because of his involvement with this brainwashing cult called Quixtar or Amway whatever the hell it is. It's amazing how he totally changed towards me and anyone else that wouldn't get involved with this so called business. He's only 23 and he's already ruined any hopes of ever owning a house or a new car (unless he can pay for it in cash like he thinks) He actually had the nerve to ask me to co-sign his loan for a used piece of crap Acura. The car was only 2,000 bucks, if he was doing so well why couldn't he pay for that in cash? Maybe becuase he spends upwards of 3,000 bucks on seminars, functions, tapes and Cd's a year. This doesn't include gas and miles he puts on his car.
I was actually at his house one day and heard him tell his girlfriend of 3 years if she didn't support him he'd have to move on without her because "nobody was going to stand in the way of his dream" Supposedly Quixtar diamonds or whatever they're called preaches that being in this business gives you a chance to help others. ???? I don't get that. My friend is so hung up on what HE wants out of life he forgot what was really important.
Also, he always talks about what a great leader he will be. How can any Quixtar IBO be a leader when they do exactly what they're programmed to do? He has to ask his upline for advice on everything. His upline, a guy that he's known for all of 8 months is now the only person that "understands his needs". It seems to me Quixtar feeds off of the greedy nature of everyone, yet preaches about how this business is God's gift to people. Now I'm not religious but even I know God doesn't promote greed. These uplines prey on young ambitious people, promising them if "they just do the work" they'll be able to retire in 2-5 years, meanwhile theyline they're pockets with the money of new Quixtar IBO's who honestly want nothing more than to have a good life.
I asked my friend "If you quit this business do you really think your upline would still be you're friend?" and he answered emphatically "Yes!" He's so confused. He doesn't have a sense of reality anymore, he only answers questions with quotes from other people who are millionaires in the SCAM they call Quixtar. I also asked him and a couple of other IBO's that tried to sign me up "If Quixtar is such a credible business, why do you sugar cote the name of it with something like (Smith Enterprises or Jones International) Just say it's Amway or Quixtar. It's a pile of SHIT and I urge anyone who is shown "The Plan" to run for cover and save yourself before they turn you into a mindless, brainwashed zombie!
Tony-phony-baloney-pepperoni(-bot):
Daycare is an extension of school. Kids are socialized and educated at an early age. You might not be down with it, but my kids GREATLY benefitted from it.
Whick is why my family has a dual income and all of the finer things in life. My kids are happy well adjusted little people (so far). Hopefully I don't screw it up.....
...but what I've seen is very similar to the story that the Grandpa put out there. It is a shuffling of the kids between aunts, uncles, and granparents.
It may not be 7 nights/week, but it is consistently 5-6 nights/week. That is dropping the kids off after work and then picking them up late (usually after midnight) to drive them home. The kids are crying themselves to sleep because they don't have the security and love of their mom and dad.
That's sounds awesome, doesn't it Tony?!?
You frickin creep, how can you justify the pain that is heaped onto these unsuspecting kids!!!
I've talked to one of the daughters about the business and missing her parents and praying for them to succed so they can spend time together. THIS LITTLE GIRL IS 5 YEARS OLD !!! How does that to a 5 year old. The worst thing she should be worried about is a broken crayon, not her broke-ass parents!
Tony> ...From what I've seen,...
Mark> This is the problem, they let you see what they want you to see, if you think a "TOOL successful" diamond or above doesn't bust their butt spinning plates to keep the team intact you are living in lala land...I had a very prominent and successful EDC "Think Dateline" tell me personally that without him the whole thing would come down!
Tony, I said every weekend and pretty much every other night. And by weekend I mean they spend the entire weekend at our house or the other relatives. On the few nights the wife doesn't go with our son to dream build, she is with the kids. But they rarely ever see their Dad. So are you saying it's ok for kids to be raised never seeing their Father, as long as the Mother sees them a few nights a week? Doesn't the Father play an important role in raising his children? Apparantly you don't think so.
Somebody could please educate stupid mo about spinning plates analogy? I've read it too many times and have no idea what it is.
Grandparent-- I feel your pain. You have to realize that poor Tony is brainwashed into thinking that everything will be great if he "just does the work" These people don't care who they alienate or hurt in the process. They're not allowed to think of how their actions affect the ones who know them and love them. It's sad but true.
Hey MO!
In the vaudeville and circus areas of entertainment; a spinning plates act is a guy or lady who comes on stage. On the stage is normally 6 flexible poles standing straight up . They are in a line and spaced out evenly.
The performer grabs the pole and begins to flex and spin it, while placing a dinner plate on top of it. The plate spins like a basketball on the finger tip of a basketball player.
When that plate begins to spin, the performer starts a second plate on a second pole and that continues untils all 6 plates are spinning.
He then keeps all the plates spinning by running back and forth to some catchy music.
Hopefully no plates break, and he then grabs each plate as the music ends, usually the last plate is grabbed as it almost looks like it's gonna fall.
It's a form of juggling.
See the connection to the analogy now?
Imran, you spin plates on sticks, several at a time, when one slows down you have to spin it more. The more plates the more difficult. If at any time the plates spinning slow too much, the whole shabang falls and crash, you have a royal mess. Circus performers do it, and it sounds as if Diamonds do it as well in a metaphorical way.
When I saw this young couple's blog, with that picture of the little kid and the baby, my heart started fluttering! What a truly wonderful way to advertise a family that is involved with such a purely innocent, yet wonderful business opportunity! They are truly living in a world of paradise that I myself am in great envy of!!! Such a nice way to live life in such a carefree, non-stressful manner!!!
"Tip toe, through the tulips....(the alarm clock rings)
TIME TO GET UP AND GO TO WORK!!!
I think it is SICK that they brainwash them. I feel sorry for you Tony that you are doing this to your family. I am involved with an IBO, but have let him know that he will continue without me unless he does his research because this is a scam. I will not not put my parents or his parents in the position of the grandparents on this post. He was naive and just out of college when he was recruited. This is my take on it. When you graduate college (and it was only 5 years ago for me so I can remember)...you are hit with the reality that you have to work for the rest of your life. It was a harsh reality at first. So, they join Quixtar because they are ambitious, but LAZY. They don't want to have to work the rest of their life (who does)? But guess what. This is life. You have responsiblities. Even if you continue with this Crap called Quixtar, you will still have a J O B. You may be "your own boss", however, you will still be working. Except..the difference is, is the rest of us will have built a career and be working for money. I may 3 times what my boyfriend does and I think that should tell him that I am a little more succesfull then he is (perhaps becuase he is putting all his eggs in a basket that is an scam). Some make it, it is true. ONLY becuase they are successfull at scaming their friends and family. SHAME ON YOU. God (I know they tell you he wants you to help others and show the plan), but God never said to aspire to have material things. That isn't what life is about. Shame on Quixtar and the people who support it. It makes me sick to my stomach.
It should make you sick Confused 22. It makes me sick too. How Quixtar IBO's could possibly believe the lies and propaganda is easy. From what I've seen if you come in contact with anyone in this business and you choose to pass, they'll label you a loser or a broke loser. This is what they're taught. They claim to be leaders, they claim to be ambitious, yet they have to get all direction and advice from they're upline. So much for being a leader. Sounds a lot like a job to me except you know your going to collect a paycheck at the end of the week, where as with Quixcam (Quick Scam) you are never guaranteed to make a dime. Your supposed to go to meetings and rallies, functions etc. Then build your business, and answer to your upline? Sounds like you have a job with a boss to me.
I read this somewhere and it's a good point, someone wrote in a typical 9 to 5 job your boss pays you for your time, in Quixcam your so called boss(upline) gets paid for all the work YOU do. Doesn't seem fair. In a 9 to 5 job your company makes profits off of the products customers buy. That can not be said for Quixcam and those who preach "You can retire in 2-5 years by buying from yourself and teaching others to do the same". Quixcam IBO's don't see people as people, but instead, see them as prospects. I don't blame most of them. They are brainwashed into thinking that way.
A Quixcam IBO will tell you how much money you're going to make, do they tell you how much money Quixcam is going to take from you first? All these people saying "We're going Diamond" are in for a great disappointment 99.992% of all IBO's never make that level. Those are not my numbers, but Quixtar's numbers.
The average IBO makes 115$ a month (again Quixtar) if you work say 40 hours a month (that's 10 a week and includes showing the plan and attending meetings, functions etc.) and it's a very modest number. The average IBO makes a whopping $2.88 an hour before taxes and expenses. That's HUGE!!!!
I told my friend this, his response "I tell people that. I tell them if they just want to be average not to waste my time" LOL my god.
Poor Tony.
That's just great about that young couple who are so successful and all.
Let's see their tax report and bank account.
Don't boast that your cult-mates are making so much money unless you can verify it.
If you only knew the half of what really went on you'd be embarrassed about defending these "superstars".
Aww, Tony's just here to save people from all our negativity; Lord help us benighted ignoramuses that were too closed-minded and ignorant to see how you can obviously buy yourself to wealth. The others here with their horror stories must just be exceptions, eh? You know, stereotypes don't just spring up out of nowhere... of course there are rules and there are exceptions. But which is the rule, and which the exception? I have my idea on that, when 99+% of participants end with a net loss, wasting time and money that could have gone to a much better purpose.
But Tony knows what he's seen. Trouble is, it's just what he's been shown. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" Tell ya what, I'm the single father of a 9 y/o son, and he spends 2-3 hours in the "Y" program after school during the school year to the tune of $210/mo JUST BECAUSE he likes some not-too-structured time with some other kids. No other reason.
Go ahead, ask me how I do it. I won't tell you, because I don't have some "system" you can plug into. It's not "duplicatable". I had to figure it out for myself JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE that actually does it, including some people that figured out they could do it by scamming others. I tell you this just to say that, despite what your cult leaders tell you, it's possible without quaxtar. Not saying it isn't possible WITH quaxtar, but it's pretty obvious from the outside that it's a lot easier without.
Young and dumb... that's when they get you. I was 19 years old and at a crossroads in my life -- taking time off from school and waiting tables at a Perkins --when I got prospected and fell for it big time. I spent three years in the biz (WWDB 1993-96) and wasted a few grand and a lot of time and energy. It's only been lately that I've fully learned what an awful, deceptive cult I got involved with. Thank goodness I was terrible at prospecting so I didn't ruin anybody's life.
I feel bad for Tony and that young couple. I hope they only learn the hard way and not the HARD hard way.
Hello everybody,
Like I said I was going to report on Quixtar-only diamonds. I thought this thread would be good as any.
Yong & Myoung Kim
They are Korean immigrants. Myoung was in an English language class and was shown the Quixtar plan by a fellow student. Her husband Yong did not join her in the business until he got unemployed after 9/11. Yong had worked in the telecommunications field and decided to then work the business with his wife.
And now, less than three years later, they are diamonds.
Great job Embot. That was a great attempt to the break the momentum of the case against your 'business'.
Go back and read the preceeding posts. These are REAL people with REAL stories.
This isn't some happy-horseshit motivational tape -- this is the reality of what you are getting yourself into.
Like Gordon said, they got you Embot, when you were 'young and dumb'.
Ok Big Em, is this the best you can do?
There are less than 5, but more than one Quixtar diamond, How come I know and you guys don't know?
I'm not going to tell you there names. At least now. Keep trying!
DF,
I'm usually with you, but seriously, you're not trying to argue that daycare is preferrable to children being raised by their own parents? That's just plain silly. There's plenty of opportunities for socialization at school, church, sports, the neighborhood, and family to need to add extra by hiring someone to play mom or dad until you get home at night.
Though your income is better, but the result is the same as in Quixtar. Your children just know you are gone, and they wish you weren't.
They are Quixtar Diamonds? How many legs are in the United states? How many are in Korea? I would bet the majority of their business is overseas. I believe people in Amway in the other counties qualify different than they do here. I think it is a lot less volume in U.S. dollars. After 16 years of A/Q I never so anyone get in and go Diamond in 2 to 5 years! If it was so successfull there would be ongoing fruit. I finally did some research and was able to quit. I got tired of the people who were so great in the 70's still telling thier rusty,dusty old and boring stories and not seeing all the great things they fluffed everyone about! There should be so much success going on on over the place with all this tech stuff if the business really was that great.
oh yeah, there are more....
Imran,
here's a link to show you what spinning plates is- clasic example...
http://www.comedyinmotion.com/main.asp
Ray,
You touched on a great point, that is why I think the question of "how many "quixtar-only"diamonds are there?' is irrelevant. Because you can be a quixtar IBO with Amway (RTW) legs.
not to swerve off topic too much, but, so it sounds like we might have one couple that went from zero to diamond within the 2-5 yr plan.
Just to confirm,
When did Myoung get into the business?
Are they US diamonds or international?
Grandpa, I never said it was ok to never see there dad, I said IBOs need to have a family life too. They need to see both partents.
Oh, and confused22 - you ARE confused! I'm not doing Anything to my family! thanks for being presumptuous! I'm single and my family supports me on this. My dad's one of my best members and even though my mom wasn't gung ho, she's coming around.
BIG DOG> if you come in contact with anyone in this business and you choose to pass, they'll label you a loser or a broke loser. This is what they're taught.
T> That is BULLSHIT!!! I've been saying that for MONTHS!! Stop assuming because you had 1 IBO say that - that EVERY IBO does! I have said that this is NOT for everyone, and just because you pass doesn't mean you're a loser! If you got involved, and gave it your all, and it just didn't work out, your STILL not a loser, but if you, got in and piddled with it, quit and then blamed your failure on your upline and call it a scam - then you are a loser!
If I ever quit, I sure as HELL wouldn't blame anyone but myself!
Some people are off balance with this - JUST LIKE some people are off balance with their JOBS! How many parents are too focused on their career? Staying at the office til 8pm! Working on weekends, trying to advance their career, to provide for their family, but they end up destroying it! Don't tell me That never happened! IBOs need to avoid the same things.
I've heard bigpins say at nightowls, "don't go Diamond at the expense of your family". We teach people to be commited to building their business, but to also to a balanced family life!
Oh, and MANY people have gone Diamond in 2-5 years in the History of the business. The fastest guy that I know did it was 67 yrs old and did it in 12 months!! Yea, it was back in the 80's, but it was done!
Like I've said before, I've got a 2nd degree blackbelt, I've seen 1,000s of people came and go in our association, a very small % ever get to my rank and even smaller ever get to 4th degree of 5th degree!! Does that make TaeKwonDo a scam!!
Out of 22,000 employees at my company, guess how many are CEO... yea 1!!!
In this business it doesn't matter anything but the effort you're willing to put in! You don't have to wait for your boss to get fired or die to move on, you can pass up anyone, I've seen it been done! If it didn't work for you, it didn't work - my brother took TKD for 1 month and quit, was he a loser - no, it wasn't for him. Is TKD a scam because of it, no it worked me!
I also wrestled in college, does that mean all my friends that quit after HS are losers, no, college wrestling wasn't for them. Just because this isn't for everyone doesn't make it a scam. Not to mention don't scams get shut down by the FTC. How long has Alticor been around? 50+ year?!?
I'll tell you what the scam is, all the ex-IBOs and those that never even tried it, convincing others that this is a cult. Why have i never seen any of these things, at least to the degree you claim them. could you just be trying to drive home a point.
I agree, some IBOs drive to hard, just like i said some people do with their careers! I HAVE BALANCE! - My team teaches that - Stop lumping us all together!
Tony, you excitable little guy you. Yeah we are all scamming the masses with our Quixtar lies, because we have so much to gain!
As opposed to the Diamonds and higher in the Biz, they have nothing to gain from continuing a lie do they? They don't have millions they rake in from the 5 to 6 bucks a tape they make off of each loyal to a fault IBO, like you and your Dad buy?
You need to clean out your eyes dude, you think everyone on here talking negative about your psudo-business is scamming? No Tony we have nothing to gain from it, its a community service and a outlet for alot of hurt people.
When you see a building burning down most just want to assist the folks inside out and to safety. Well your business is aflame with lies that have hurt far more then it has helped.
As for your CEO example its a joke, yes there is always a top guy Tony, but I bet everyone in the company is at least making a wage they can LIVE on and the CEO isn't selling you tapes and books every week in order to pad his salary. Your wrong and your examples are laughable. Keep it in reality there buddy.
Tony>Out of 22,000 employees at my company, guess how many are CEO... yea 1!!!
Me> But Tony, the other 21,999 receive a paycheck, thus they earn money. They are able to pay their bills, feed their families, etc.
In a quixtar business, let's say the diamond earns 50,000 a month from quixtar. Based on average earnings of
$115 a month (from SA 4400), that means 434 IBO's earn nothing in order for that one diamond. Now if you add in a few directs into that diamondship, then there are even more IBO's making nothing, or losing money if they buy tapes and function tickets. How do you pay your bills with negative income flow?
Awaiting your resonse Tony.
You idiots act like Quixtar sends letters to new IBOs, saying "sorry we couldn't send you a check this month, but we had to pay your Diamond, so there's nothing for you, maybe next month!"
If a new IBO moves NO volume, doesn't even buy the stuff he's buying anyway thru himself - then he's EARNED no bonus!
If an IBO sponsors a dozen people and helps half of them go Platinum, on average he's going to make $150,000 with bonuses.
How is that unfair? A new sales rep goes out and gets his company a dozen new accounts and gets a commision for it, and other new rep goes out an gets 1. Who deserves more?? Maybe you should move to a Socialist country if you have a problem with Capitolism - you get rewarded based on performance.
A Diamond making $50,000 a month had work his ass to get there! An IBO who made $0.00 on his check did Nothing!- not even 100pv. When you have a little business, you get a little bonus, when you have a bigger business you have a bigger bonus.
If you don't like $0 checks then do your own 100points and make $7-8 bucks, then get some retail/wholesale customers, sponsor 3-4 people help them do the same and hit 1000pv - make $200 on your next check. Help those 4 hit 1000pv, now you're at 4000pv and making around $1000/month!
Why do you guys have issues with a training system but not others?? Why do you have issues with OUR trainining system when it is OPTIONAL? Please link to some of your posts on the Carlton Sheets scam blog, or that of Herbalife. I thik tony Robbins does some 'self-help' seminars and charges $1000's of dollars, I'd like to see what you're saying about that as well.
Oh but mabye you were never involved in any of that, and have no need to save face for those.
Which kind of anwers your questions as to why you would blast this, what do you have to gain? Just your good image, just trying to convince yourself you were scammed, you had to be, your too good for it to have been your fault in any way. I don't think you can honestly say that you did everything you could have.
I've never met 1 person that showed 5 plans a week, developed members & clients, listened to the CDs, read books, went to the conferences, game-planned with their mentor, contacted 5 people a day, built a huge list, made calls daily, etc. and did it for 2 years and wasn't having some type of success. Like I've said, I watched my sponsor do all that, and go from 1500pv - Platinum in 2 years!
This is meant to be done on the side! Your not suposed to be able to live on this business at 1000pv! Of course people make money at their job - you work 40 hours a week and you get paid.
If you bust your ass and increase your output during those 40 hours, you still get paid the same. If you slack off a little, but not too much - you still get paid the same. Its 'steady income' but its not residual, and someone else controls your time and money.
So keep your job, by all means, but do something on the side. Thats what Qx is, its not meant to be F/T money, until you've built it to such.
Also, stop saying that platinums buying CDs and going to functions are losing $$!! A function is $100 1x every 3 months and CDs cost $40 a month! Platinums make $2000-3000 a month! No one is buying $3000 worth of CDs a month! You are being rediculous!
My CEO example was to make a point - many people can be a Diamond, and even more can be Emerald or Ruby. I know a local Ruby who's making $5000-$6,000 each month! You don't have to be Diamond to make good money! And there are lots more than just 1!!
Tony>"A Diamond making $50,000 a month had work his ass to get there!"
Thats not the only ass that had to work for his Diamonship. He is making that 50K leaching off the poor shmoe's that are told they have a chance to be just like him, but they just aren't putting enough effort into the biz, they havn't sacrificed enough. Its a classic carrot and stick technique.
But keep buying the XS Koolaid and pretending your doing well little IBO. One day you will make it...or be a broke "loser" that gives up. Like 99.992 percent of them out there? Wowsers thats alot of losers!
Read the "Cave Allegory" folks, Plato must have gone to a circle drawing meeting.
Just to let everyone know, the rules of conduct do not permit them to advertise on the internet in any format. The only way they can have a website is with permission from quixtar and then they still can't advertise it. They have to refer individuals to it personaly. They also violated quixtar rules by mentioning quixtar's name with their business
AI> Just to let everyone know, the rules of conduct do not permit them to advertise on the internet in any format. The only way they can have a website is with permission from quixtar and then they still can't advertise it. They have to refer individuals to it personaly. They also violated quixtar rules by mentioning quixtar's name with their business
DI> Oh wow, so Quixtar's own rules of conduct work to make the IBO's life even more difficult? What, pray tell, is the twisted rationale behind this?
Tony, dude, you're a mess. I guarantee you when you prospect people you tell them you're involved with Quixtar. I guarantee you use another name. If Quixtar is such a good business why doesn't anyone ever mention this when they try to recruit new cult members?
You also state that you've never met anyone who, actually worked hard and went to the functions, rallies etc and read and listened to tools, failed? How many IBO's are there? How many do youknow? That's what I thought. Keep tapespeaking it shows you don't have an individual thought in you're brain. Also reading most of you're posts I see you graduated with a degree in business, are a 2nd degree blackbelt wrestled and still have time to build you're business? You must still live at home with your parents huh?
You talk about all this money these people make. LOL. I actually heard this one CD where he talks about people always say what they make "GROSS" because they're scared to what they make "Net". Sounds a lot like you Quixtar IBO's. Platinums make $2,000-$3,000 a month? What do they make after tax and expenses? Better yet what do you make?
For someone with a degree in business you really don'thave the first clue on how business works do you? Just like most other IBO's you're great at responding to questions but not very good at actually answering them!
read my first post on this old thread it hits on a lot of topics.
http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/archives/2005/06/happy_forumversary.php
Tony:
Just a quick question for you.
What percentage of quixtar's volume would you say gets retailed to the outside end consumer on an average basis?
Tony said: "You idiots act like Quixtar sends letters to new IBOs, saying "sorry we couldn't send you a check this month, but we had to pay your Diamond, so there's nothing for you, maybe next month!"
cc: Tony it is mathematically impossible for everyone to be making money in a pyramid scheme like Quixtar. If a diamond is getting a check, it is only because many, many IBO's below him are losing money! Quixtar needn't send those letters, the laws of logic dictate it.
Tony said: "Your not suposed to be able to live on this business at 1000pv!"
cc said: How many people does it take, losing their ass paying for overpriced energy drinks and vitamins (they wouldnt have bought otherwise), to funnel enough money upwards in the form of price premiums, to finally accumulate enough points that someone can make a living wage? How many people are losing money so a handful can make some?
Tony in this "buy from yourself" game of Quixtar it is impossible for everyone to benefit at once. All numbers show the total number of IBO's in the pyramid is stagnated at around 350,000 IBO's. Therefore the mathematically allowable number of people able to make money off their losing downline is also stagnated at about 35-50 people at diamond or above, as all available data indicates. That says there are about 10,000 people feeding their money upline for every one of these so called successes! You can't defeat the laws of math Tony.
And that doesn't even take into account all the money lost buying the rah rah!
Wow, what a way to earn money eh? Knowing all those people have to lose money just for you to benefit. What kind of ethics do you have to have to knowingly participate in that kind of fraud?
Tony>If you don't like $0 checks then do your own 100points and make $7-8 bucks, then get some retail/wholesale customers, sponsor 3-4 people help them do the same and hit 1000pv - make $200 on your next check. Help those 4 hit 1000pv, now you're at 4000pv and making around $1000/month!
I did move 4000 PV but the business operating expenses ate into my profits to a point where it wasn't worth the effort of building the business for such a small return.
Also, Tony, since retailing is not stressed in the quixtar teachings, there is no money coming into the system for profits so the diamond's income is derived by the IBO's who are not receiving the big bonuses. The rest of the diamond's income comes from the profits off tapes and seminar tickets.
Now Tony, my point is if this is how the "2-5 year plan" was shown, then I would have no problem.
Has the plan changed where they explain that there's a lack of retailing so the diamond makes most of their quixtar income from the smaller IBO's who buy from themselves and teach others to do the same, and do they mention how much the diamonds make from tools, and what you must do to get a piece of that action?
No matter how you slice this pie you get a piece of deception.
Tony> My CEO example was to make a point - many people can be a Diamond, and even more can be Emerald or Ruby. I know a local Ruby who's making $5000-$6,000 each month! You don't have to be Diamond to make good money! And there are lots more than just 1!!
Me> How would you know? Anytime I asked about someone's income in amway, I was told it's none of my business.
Tony> My CEO example was to make a point - many people can be a Diamond, and even more can be Emerald or Ruby. I know a local Ruby who's making $5000-$6,000 each month! You don't have to be Diamond to make good money! And there are lots more than just 1!!
Me> Tony, based on $2.50 = 1PV and the fact that there are downline bonuses to pay out, that means your friend the ruby is moving about $70,000 in sales per month to make or about $800,000 in sales per year to make about $50K to 60K.
Any business major should know that this is not a good return on sales/profit ratio.
Joecool) I certainly appreciate your comments/work, but all of your stuff is waaaay over Tony's little head.
He lives in an imaginary world of Eagles and Diamonds and PV and BV and, of course, tapespeak.
Your hard data and rationale fact don't affect him.
Keep drinking the kool-aid Tonybot....
Tony>>>Like I've said before, I've got a 2nd degree blackbelt, I've seen 1,000s of people came and go in our association, a very small % ever get to my rank and even smaller ever get to 4th degree of 5th degree!! Does that make TaeKwonDo a scam!!
Me>>>Your analogy doesn't work.
Very few people in TKD might earn a black belt, but I bet the average student earns some level of success before they quit: a lower belt, physical fitness, greater ability to defend themselves, etc.
In Qx, less than 1% of IBOs even reach Platinum, at which point they would be making an average of only $25k before expenses, and probably not much after expenses. 99% of IBOs achieve very little, if anything, in Qx.
TKD is straightforward. You pay money, you get lessons, and your school makes a profit.
In Qx, your upline hounds you into spending thousands of dollars on tools, supposedly for your own good, but really so the big pins can triple or quadruple (or more) their Qx income. There seems to be a thing now where the systems are disclosing that they make money on tools, but that's only because they got busted and exposed. They kept it a secret for as long as they could.
Most former TKD students probably look back on their TKD experiences fondly, even if they didn't reach black belt. There are no books or websites being written by angry ex-TKD students who were driven into bankruptcy or had their marriages destroyed by TKD.
In Qx... well, you know. You've read the stories here, and you know about the sites being run by disillusioned ex-Emeralds and ex-Diamonds, and about Eric Scheibeler's Merchants of Deception.
I could go on and on. I'm commenting from my experience as a WWDB amroid for 3 years in the mid-90s, and from the horror stories I've read on the Internet. I'm sure you will protest that your team is totally different. I hope so, and I wish you luck in whatever you try to do. But I doubt that you're going to find the success you seek in Quixtar.
Tony>I've never met 1 person that showed 5 plans a week, developed members & clients, listened to the CDs, read books, went to the conferences, game-planned with their mentor, contacted 5 people a day, built a huge list, made calls daily, etc. and did it for 2 years and wasn't having some type of success. Like I've said, I watched my sponsor do all that, and go from 1500pv - Platinum in 2 years!
Gee, Tony, it sounds to me like there are people out there who HAVE done this work--some have made some money, some have not. That's one main point that this blog constantly is trying to convey to you!!!!
But, when I read this paragraph, what I saw was a complete full-time job! And all these things are supposed to be done in 3-5 hours a week? Think again.
Sometimes after a long day at our jobs
(that we do find full-filling btw) sometimes, my husband and I kiddingly say, "OK, just when would we be able to show the plan this week??" If we were to "go for our dreams" through AQ, it would have to come at the expense of our kids. There is NO doubt in my mind about this.
Back on topic, the best treatment that I have heard comes from 'Go Diamond Silver Leadership' (BPB243), which is recorded at Go Diamond 2000 or 2001. Danny Snipes talks extensively about how IBO's should be recruiting the young kids. His reasons: They are IMPRESSIONABLE (i.e., easily mind controlled), have energy (so they can work work work), have watched their parents fail and don't want that for themselves (I find this one hard to believe. The unemployment rate was about 5% last time I saw; Out of several hundred people I know at the moment, I know 2 people who don't have a job; neither of them are actively looking for one!), have no kids to tie them down. In the last few years, BWW moved to the direction of TARGETING 18-25 as opposed to 25-35 like Amway did in the decade before.
I remember still having the suds in my eyes and I went online to see why Debbie Miller's picture suddenly vanished from the BWW site. I saw Scott Larsen's site and was sitting there thinking to myself about how all these negative and blind people don't know what they are talking about. I must ask...Why in the WORLD did I not go and look up information for myself? That's right. A good friend told me about this; surely I could believe him! (It was not his fault, the same thing happened to him, too!) - This is called affinity fraud....
I figured I might end with a humerous quote:
"Any Democrats in here? GO TO HELL!!"
- Bill Britt during a Sunday morning worship service; Spring leadership 2002, Baltimore, MD (Can't you just FEEL the love of Jesus)
BTW, If you are a democrat, republican, or anything else, thats fine with me. I just like how Britt said that...it speaks volumes about the fruit on his tree.
My husband and I are former IBO's. We have just resigned from being an IBO in January this year. We were IBO's for only 2 months and I am very glad it didn't last longer. We were totally sucked into this. Nobody ever mentioned who Quixtar was and of course to them it had no affiliation at all with Amway. Trying to preach us it was something totally different. We were never told that the average IBO makes $156. When we were trying to read the fine prints it was ripped out of our hands with hurry to rush trough it. So after getting a profit of $156 what do you have left after all those expenses. Making you spend your $200, all those books and tapes and entrys for the weekly "show" add up. We weren't even asked if we wanted to get the book or tape or anything like that, they just ordered it and we had to pay for it. Pretty soon we found ourself with so many extra expenses it was ridiculos. What I just wonder is, let those uplines and the ones on the buttom that claim TO DO SO GOOD proof their income with a w2 and then I want to see all their expenses. I bet they would never show it to me because they would be too scared of the truth. What drove me absolutely crazy was that I was preached to be a Christian and if you don't stay home and kiss your husbands feet then you are a bad spouse! What is up with that. I was in tears every night seeing that the checking account was getting less and less every time and having to lie to other people. I felt stupid and brain washed. The funniest part is when I look back how they make you feel like you are just such a different couple from everyone else SPECIAL but then they want a whole list of people who we know don't matter what they do or who they are. Is that still special, yes dumb enough to be sucked into this. And the hardest part was trying to tell husband the truth about my feelings about that. It was starting to tear us apart. We discussed it several times and finally came to the decission to resign from the business. When we faced our sponser who were Platinums they made us feel like we were nothing. We had them refund everything we had purchased like books, stuff like that. I wanted it all back. And boy we had a hard time getting that money back too. Even though they say "try it risk free for a year if you don't like it you will get your money back"! No kidding after lots of argueing you do! Oh and here is the best part they told us they would have to wait to refund it to us because they didn't have the money available right now!! Hey I thought you were doing SO GOOD!!! Whatever!
Well this is our story I am just glad we had none of our friends join Quixtar because we quickly called everyone and informed them about the truth and how we felt about it and everyone treasured us even more.
I am tired of reading those posts like I know this person who made Diamond or what every in such an amount of time and now makes so much money. Well all I have to say to this, do you know this person? Have you ever seen their bank account or their statements from all their years in the business? Have you ever seen their W2's with all their expenses? Have you ever seen how much the upline makes from all those tapes and stuff like that? Lets just spare you the answer because I know you didn't, so stop fooling yourself that you know!!!
Live in the reality and not in somebody elses live or dream! GOOD LUCK TO YOU!
BWW twists the aspect of submission like it does everything else. I will not post on the true meaning here because to do it correctly would take a long time and be a large post. If you want info, John MacArthur just released the book "The Fulfilled Family" which goes into a lot of detail here. This is availble at any bookstore or www.gty.org
Tony,
I am NOT Confused. I think the question is, are you brainwashed and the answer would be yes. You need help and I suggest you go get counseling from your local church or professional help. I really do feel sorry for you. You don't mean to yell at everyone. You are just so brainwashed and programmed and lost that you are very defensive. As I said in my last post, people who join Quixtar are very lost. They are looking to belong to something. They want the easy road. Grow up..it is time to be a real Man and take the hard road that everyone else does. Of course our jobs can go away, but we'll have the work experience to go out and get another job. I know I have a successful career and my boyfriend does not. He can thank Quixtar for that. You don't learn real business sense in Quixtar...you learn programmed answers and get hooked on motivational tapes. Don't tell people they don't know what they are talking about. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It is funny though how EVERYONE else's opinions on this post is opposite of yours. We have been there. We aren't idiots. People didn't stop trying or they weren't lazy...they just did their due diligence and actually researched this company before getting in or while in. Did you? I'm guessing not. Have fun at your cult.
Looks like the DR Int. blog (you know, the actual TOPIC OF THE THREAD) has been slightly modified.
Absolutely NO Amquix references.
Interesting....someone is getting censored.
Not much of an I in IBO there.
Ha. That is hilarious.
No, I told them about this thread - and they probably realized they weren't supposed to have those links, so removed them themselves.
BTW, Sorry wanted to respond to more but was busy at my JOB today, lots of meetings. Plus I can't argue with ignorance. You do your thing, I'll do mine. I wish you luck in yours, honestly. Funny, never had a critic wish me luck.
Poorhouse Tony>"You do your thing, I'll do mine. I wish you luck in yours, honestly. Funny, never had a critic wish me luck."
No, what's funny is that you are trying the passive aggressive route.
And I am not going to wish you luck, because what you are doing is hurting the financial health (and mental health) of your friends, family and some perfect strangers.
Wow.........I've only got a few things to say about this thread.
I'll clear the air first. I am 19, 20 in 9 days (who really cares about age). I have been an IBO for 5 months now, and I have had a lot of self development to work on through this time. I will admit, I haven't sponsored anybody yet, but that won't be for much longer. When I got called originally by a girl who is my sponsor now, I did give her a hard time on the phone call, but I did take a look at the plan. She brought her boyfriend w/ her, who is actually the nephew of an Emerald going Diamond couple next year (I think their fourth leg hit 7500, and there's a 4000 leg and a 2500 leg there as well). He showed me a few things, answered a few questions for me, and I thought, "Wow, these two are gonna be successful anyway w/ his uncle and aunt, I better take a look at what they're doing or when they make it big I'll wonder what might have been."
So long story short, I registered 5 months ago, and I've had a lot of fun along the way. It just stinks that there's a lot of people who give Quixtar a ton of crap, so I'll say a few things.
To the CRITICS:
1. Quixtar is NOT, I repeat, NOT a pyramid. My upline Emerald (who I just talked about) is currently a sergeant on the police force (see, you can still build a business and still have a job, that's practically the SMART way to build it) and he did extensive research on pyramids. He probably knows more about pyramids than anybody here on this board. If you sponsor a million people in your business, is that a good thing? Not if they don't create volume. Find a credible source from the Better Business Bureau citing Quixtar as a pyramid, I dare you.
2. I have never heard of people spending $3985329369.32 or whatever insanely high amount of money on tools per month, like you all say they do, since you seem to be super gung ho about this issue. At most, I spend about $30 on tools a month, and that's just the CDs. My upline provides me tools as well for free. As for the books, if you really don't want to spend the money to buy the book, check it out at your local library if you can find it. How hard is that?
3. Although Quixtar and Amway are under the same business umbrella that is Alticor, Amway IS NOT OPERATIONAL HERE IN THE USA! And the business models are quite different, while Quixtar is a billion dollar business that is partnered with big companies like Panasonic, Sony, Office Depot, Pacsun, Nautica, and a couple thousand others, while Amway was just a soap company. Give that comparison up.
4. I honestly have no problem with bigger pins making money off the CDs, because I know that the people on the CDs are IBOs with thriving, successful businesses and they have earned the right to teach a brand new IBO how to have the same sized business they do. Does it happen over night? NO. The only time success appears before work is in the dictionary. Don't believe me? Look it up in your Webster's. And if you're so against people making money off of tapes, then you must not be too excited about making an extra $50,000 a year as a Q-12 Platinum. I don't know about you, but an extra $50K a year sure would help a 19-20 year old college student like myself.
And also, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY CD'S, BOOKS, ATTEND RALLIES, FUNCTIONS, SEMINARS, ETC. ETC. ETC. But if you're serious about building a solid business, then they're simply RECOMMENDED. If you don't want to get tools or go to functions, that's fine. I've heard of IBO's who are doing well w/o them. And if you're not satisfied, take a look into the money back thing they got going if you're not satisfied about the tools. I remember my upline promoting my first function and saying "If you don't like what you see, I'll completely refund your money." Fortunately I liked what I saw. So that's that.
5. Along with that $50K a year as a Platinum which I plan to achieve, I WILL be working a job as well. Most people work a job for 15-20 years, then a lot of them suffer from job layoffs, cutbacks, outplacements, restructuring, etc. etc. And most of them have no "safety net" to fall back on. I don't plan on becoming free until I reach at least Emerald, or until my upline says I don't need to anymore. How about this question for you all, how long are you gonna work your job until you make 6 figures a year? Answer me that.
6. I am sick of people giving Quixtar a bad rap because of some bad apples (the ones on Dateline, by the way was back in 2004 or whatever, the business has changed since then, also TIF who I found out did horrible practices outside of the business). Just because there are a few of them in the business doesn't mean all of them are. Do you think that all NBA players are rapists like Kobe Bryant? Are all MLB players steroid users like Jose Canseco, or gamblers like Pete Rose? Stereotyping is a very ugly thing, and I feel sorry for people who do it. Take a look at Larry and Pam Winters' organization, LTD (Leadership Team Development) and find somebody who is a crook.
7. I'm actually attending my 3rd function (Free Enterprise Day in KC) next weekend, and in my function experiences I would not consider this business as cult-like. If you ask an IBO who is on the Executive team of Quixtar, they wouldn't know. They could tell you their upline direct, though. Out of about 700,000 IBOs, tell me who their "charismatic leader" is. And not everybody appears in white shirts and ties, or dresses exactly alike. I've seen all sorts of different attire (I personally am part of a team that supports white shirts, but my upline wears a blue one on occasion, and I like to throw a black one in there as well). I know it's odd to be fired up about your financial future, but if you had the mindset of an employee, you might not understand. Maybe you might, but I'm not saying anything for sure.
8. I do know that the average IBO makes $115 a month through Quixtar. But what does the average IBO do? NOTHING. They get in and be AVERAGE. And here's another little bullet: Quitters never make any money. Quit your job tomorrow and see how much money you make.
9. I saw the word "Quixcam" on here. And I don't know what Harvard-educated genius came up with that analogy, but whatever. Quixtar launched in 1999, the government hasn't heard about it yet, it's still a scam. Right. Barnes & Noble, Bass Pro Shops, Circuit City, Office Depot, Nike, Disney, and a ton of others are OBVIOUSLY running a scam. Stupides thing I've ever heard. Quixtar generated a billion dollars in business last year, yeah that's a scam. That's a billion dollar scam. What the real scam is quitters and critics posting false information on the internet and brainwashing people saying that a great business opportunity (which is a level playing field for anybody if they're willing to do the work and become a mentor for their downline) is a bad thing. Are you supposed to be the scam police or something? Take your black robe off and put your gavel down until you get all the facts.
10. Offer me something better. If you can't offer me $100,000 a year and send me on all expense paid trips, then I don't want anything that you have, so stop trying to tell me what's right. If it takes me 3 years to go Platinum, or 10 years to go Diamond, it won't matter to me. There's something great about being young and getting it done and buying that much time of your life back. Unless you are living the life of Peter Island, Diamond Club, etc., you have no right to tell me how to live my life and to criticize.
To Tony and the rest of the IBO's on here:
Don't let these guys get to you. What we should do is blow right by them and make this system work and prove the skeptics wrong. Let's go Diamond, come back to these posts and look at these, and laugh our heads off. Personally, I'm excited about the ad campaign Q* and Nutrilite are putting together. Maybe that can combat nay-sayers and dream stealers' opinions, since apparently they believe whatever's on the idiot box. See ya on the trail!
I know I'm still new in this business, but I'm learning quite a bit. I'm learning who to take my advice from. I listen to people who are where I want to be in life, not people who are willing to tear me down. The former are saying "You can do it, and we'll help you," the latter are saying "You can't do it and we're not going to help you," how dumb do I have to be to listen to the latter? I'd have to be an IDIOT to go "OK.......let's see. That guy on stage, Markiewicz is making $100,000 a month, and he doesn't have a job. You make $30,000 a year and you're working full time. Hmmmm............who should I listen to?"
Now if you will excuse me, I've got a business to build.
LOL B. You said --
"Although Quixtar and Amway are under the same business umbrella that is Alticor, Amway IS NOT OPERATIONAL HERE IN THE USA! And the business models are quite different, while Quixtar is a billion dollar business that is partnered with big companies like Panasonic, Sony, Office Depot, Pacsun, Nautica, and a couple thousand others, while Amway was just a soap company. Give that comparison up."
Yeah just because it says on the AMWAY site "(Note: The business opportunity is available in the United States and Canada through www.Quixtar.com)"
doesn't mean they should be compared.
Secondly, Amway was just a "soap company"? LOL! Where did you get that information? I'm pretty sure they were affiliated with companies like Coca-Cola, AT&T, Firestone, Levi Strauss etc. So to say they were just a "soap company" is farce.
B said -- "Quixtar is NOT, I repeat, NOT a pyramid. My upline Emerald (who I just talked about) is currently a sergeant on the police force (see, you can still build a business and still have a job, that's practically the SMART way to build it) and he did extensive research on pyramids. He probably knows more about pyramids than anybody here on this board."
It doesn't matter what station in life you are. I'm sure many people on this blog have done extensive research on pyramids, and while selling Q* products BARELY passes the FTC regulations (stating 50PV must be done a month by RETAIL CUSTOMERS or as Amway had it in 1979 10 RETAIL CUSTOMERS or the 70% rule which is NEVER enforced by Q* or Amway)
However, the "Motivational tape and tool business is INDEED an ILLEGAL PYRAMID SCHEME" Since there is NO RETAIL CUSTOMER!
B: said -- "Along with that $50K a year as a Platinum which I plan to achieve,"
While this is a nice goal why not try looking at the statistics instead of the LIES. In 2003 Q* reported these numbers for Platinum income;
(The Average Platinum income dropped an amazing 39% in two years. Despite that most Amway plans claim Platinums to make $2,000-$3,000 per month, the data (from Team 5000) says the average Platinum now makes $15,240.) (Amquix.info)
B: said -- "Take a look at Larry and Pam Winters' organization, LTD (Leadership Team Development) and find somebody who is a crook."
I was in that organization, most of them ARE CROOKS. Larry Winters makes 75% of his income from tapes, tools, appearances, rallies, speaking engagements etc. but he'll tell you he makes ALL of his income from his Q* business as will Joe Markiewicz.
B: said -- "I saw the word "Quixcam" on here. And I don't know what Harvard-educated genius came up with that analogy, but whatever."
Actually that would be me. No I didn't graduate from Harvard, but I did graduate from a very good school with a BS in Business Administration (Finance concentration) I will be going back to receive my MBA very soon.
I also have my own business, so I'd say I have a pretty good grasp on how to run a successful business.
B: said "Right. Barnes & Noble, Bass Pro Shops, Circuit City, Office Depot, Nike, Disney, and a ton of others are OBVIOUSLY running a scam."
WOW are you misinformed. These companies have NOTHING to do with AmQuix's business model. They just allow their products to be sold on Q*'s site.
B: said -- "If it takes me 3 years to go Platinum, or 10 years to go Diamond, it won't matter to me. There's something great about being young and getting it done and buying that much time of your life back. Unless you are living the life of Peter Island, Diamond Club, etc., you have no right to tell me how to live my life and to criticize."
LOL. I LOVE the tapespeak! Nobody on here is telling you how to live your life, (except maybe your upline) us "critbots" just like to point out some facts that most IBO's do not present when showing the plan.
How do you know how Diamond Club members live? Because the show you promotional videos? Because you see it in a magazine? Oh yeah then it must be true, because like you said why would a billion dollar company "scam" anyone? LOL. Man you crack me up.
According to Q*'s numbers a Diamond GROSSES $150,000 a year. What is the net after business expenses?
I won't go into detail about how much I NET a year off of my business but I'd be willing to bet that I NET more than someone at the Diamond level in Q*.
B: said -- "That guy on stage, Markiewicz is making $100,000 a month, and he doesn't have a job. You make $30,000 a year and you're working full time. Hmmmm............who should I listen to?"
Markiewicz makes MOST of his money off of those appearances, and motivational talks. I've met him in person and he's a weasel.
I know you're part of that organization just by the way you talk.
Saying garbage like you stated above or this; "Maybe that can combat nay-sayers and dream stealers' opinions, since apparently they believe whatever's on the idiot box."
I guess anything on the "idiot box" is false but yet you're "excited" for Q*'s and Nutrilites ad campaign on the "idiot box"?
Sure that makes sense. Only Q*'s ad's and propaganda are truth but anything else is false.
LOL!
In closing you said ; "You make $30,000 a year and you're working full time."
How do you know what anyone makes? You're just making a generalized statement, and above, you criticized people for doing the same thing when you stated the following ; "Stereotyping is a very ugly thing, and I feel sorry for people who do it."
Ya know B. you might wanna just stop talking because the more you talk, it seems, the more you contradict yourself.
I applaud the young couple that's doing their thing with the business!!! I've been retired now for a few years thanks to the business and have all the time in the world with my family!!! As far as the meetings they attend...at most if they went to 2 meetings a week....what's that 4 to 5 hours total? Your job has you there at more than double that a day!!!! it's all perspective!!!
People act like Quixtar is to blame for people's choices and problems. Like the people not involved don't have issues!!! it's called life friends!!!!
Anything too good to be true is a scam
YOU GUYS DEFINITELY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. I SEE THAT YOU ARE INEXPERIENCED, HAVE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT QUIXTAR AND IBO's AND ARE JUST TALKING A LOT OF BULL.... SUX FOR READERS THAT BELIEVE YOU. THAT TELLS ME THAT YOU (READERS) ARE VERY VERY VERY NAIVE AND JUST GOOGLE EVERYTHING. YOU DO BAD RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IMRAN wrote:
how about the very dominant majority of the faithful who will just lose time and money and who half of them quit each year?
Operative word: quit. There isn't a need to explain that stupid sentence, but the losers on this site aren't very intelligent, so here goes: if anyone quits at anything, they are never going to be successful. You're the same person who says spending $35,000/year on for 4 years on a college education to obtain a $30,000/year job makes sense! And they'll be paying that education off for 20 years, and they'll still have to work a job making $45,000/year and scraping by (like 98% of American do)for the 50 years! Common sense people, common sense.
They may be young & in love, but there are also very NAIVE.
Too bad those 2 babies are gonna be at home crying for their parents when Mom and Dad are out at meetings and functions.
I've seen this happen numerous times....
it isn't fair to the children and that really pi**es me off....
Posted by: df | July 21, 2005 3:40 PM