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June 7, 2005
Message To Quixtar Critics
By QBlog in Quixtar
There's absolutely nothing wrong with pointing out the flaws of a particular business. It's an American birthright, a tradition upheld by the likes of Upton Sinclair and Ralph Nader. There's no shame in criticizing that which deserves criticism.
However, it's become painfully obvious that some Quixtar critics prefer to behave like mean-spirited bullies launching verbal assaults against everything related to "the business." And those attacks sometimes develop into lengthy tirades of incivility.
A friend recently asked me if "something snaps in people when they are too negative about Quixtar for too long?" It's possible. I've seen people descend into a black hole of negativity, unable or unwilling to climb out. They refuse to recognize the positive in anything and become blinded to reality. They view the Quixtar debate as divided into two camps — friends and foes. Black and white. Good and bad.
Such behavior is unfortunate. I wish it would stop, but know that it probably won't. There will always be a few Quixtar critics who are determined to plunge any Quixtar discussion into an old-fashioned pissing match rife with name calling and stereotypes.
As I'm writing this I honestly don't have anyone specific in mind, I just notice that lately some of the dialogue has become more acrimonious. And that tone seems to work against the goals of Quixtar critics. Just like yesterday's Reader Mail only serves to strengthen my resolve, bitter attacks by Quixtar critics only strengthens the resolve of devoted IBOs. See how that works?
Am I asking that critics withhold deserved criticism? No, just that they try to keep this debate from becoming personal.
Comments
Ditto to all that, Qblog!
After recommending this site to my IBO mother-in-law because, in my words "This site proved to be the most balanced site with debate about AQ that I could find." I also told here that you wouldn't find vulgarities and name-calling here.
Lately, I've really hoped that she hadn't checked this site out, cause that just hasn't been the case. I can imagine her reading some of the posts, and they would have reinforced her view that the internet truly has become the "bathroom walls."
QBlog:
I think that you addressed this issue very accurately and thoughtfully. However, may I also suggest that you maybe do your part and stop printing the pro IBO reader comments that contain nothing but hateful & trash talking filthy language, like from "Rob" the other day? These types of messages serve no other purpose than to inflame the critic camp which results in dialogues that are nothing more than a schoolyard war of words.
Remember the old saying that "It takes two to tango".
Hear, Hear!
(Those were the FIRST words to pop into my head too, Keith!)
Thanks for saying it, QBlog. I've been disappointed that discussions often have been taken to the name-calling mat first by anti-quixtar people. Our name-calling serves to prove "they" are right that these are the "bathroom walls" of the internet.
I am particularly disappointed in how some of you have treated Jennifer7Lee. Disagree with her? Of course, I do. Respect her for all her input here? Absolutely. And then some of you scared her away with "Jennybot", etc. I would have backed away too. Who needs that? Way to go.
Can we please keep this in the "realm of ideas" and away from the name-calling please? How can we teach the veteran IBOs to think for themselves again if we bash them? Don't you remember what it was like to be an Ambot? It's all-consuming, one-way thinking that's very hard to break out of. If you don't remember because you were never that deep-in but now you are a name-caller, BACKOFF. You have no idea what it's like.
Let's help them learn to think critically again. This website has been crucial for my "waking up", and I hope it still will be for countless more.
Grow up.
I don't endorse name calling, but you have to admit that the Monday Reader Mail did set the tone for what was to follow.
Reader Mail: "What a stinking negative bag of shit you are?"
Did you honestly think the discussion following such a post would be civil?
Ditto here....Unfortuantely, I find myself checking in at the forum less often now due to the silly fighting and name-calling on some of the threads. I'll always see what Qblog and his guest bloggers have to say, but I plan to avoid the Forum for the most part now. And I find that sad, because it was the Forum and the posts that helped me past the feelings of failure when we finally "woke up".
Dorothy:
Maybe you should out check some of Jennifer Lee's postings to see how immature she has acted on a lot of the discussions on the QBlog forum.
Lately, for some strange reason, there seems to be a growing sentiment that its only the quixtar critics that are involved in the name calling and other personal attacks that go on throughout this forum.
A message to the mlm pros:
If you want to be treated with respect, then you yourself act in kind.
Imanewme> I don't endorse name calling, but you have to admit that the Monday Reader Mail did set the tone for what was to follow.
Imran> Well, a side point. Please don't stop Monday reader mail. It really shows what IBOs think about this site. Also, this name calling tirade is not specific to only this Monday email. It's been going on for a while. It may scare some audience.
And to rest of people, if some one sends such emails, do we HAVE to stoop at their level? What is the difference?
I agree, Jennifer was called a lot of stuff. And she (mostly) sticks to the fact. I testify that. I have been all these threads.
guys,
I think you are missing qblogs point. His point is that the name calling has to stop somewhere. It doesn't serve any other purpose that refer to this blog and others as the bathroom walls of society, thereby defeating your purpose.
I respect everyone's point of views-granted they may or may not be wrong. but you don't resort to name calling to get your point across. If you want name calling, go back to the first grade please.
Qblog, I would suggest you close every post if the verbal abuses and name calling are starting. Maybe then people will get the hint that its not tolerated.
I'd really hate to see this post turn into a 100+ post of "you started it," "no you did" kind of post as people who are doing it know who they are. Can we all just agree to disagree here?
Excellent post *claps*
To all Quixtar supporters:
Here's your chance. Qblog's proved you wrong that he's not biased toward either side. It's open season on critics.
Now's your golden opportunity to call all critics:
jerks
dream-stealers
broke losers
communists
enemies of freedom
uneducated
narrow-minded
un-creative
sad people with no lives
and any other sentiment at the level of monday reader's mail.
The critics are no longer allowed to stand up for themselves against such attacks.
Just remember this: While you enjoy the open season, you're wasting all that precious time you could be spending listening to those tapes, being positive, and going diamond.
The forum has become more like Jr. High than anything else. It's all a joke and meaningful debate doesn't seem to exist any longer. It becomes really easy for a pro to write off the QBlog forum because a few people are acting exactly like their upline told them they would act. They add nothing of value. They only seek to tear things down, not come to a better understanding through real dialogue.
Debate and dialogue are a two-way street and I have had many of my opinions changed based on quality forum discussions.
Oh well, it was good while it lasted.
I have had my fair share of critics commenting on my IBOship. I find most of them(the critics) to be fair in their assessment of problems they see with the business, but I have also dealt with those that no amount of middle ground can be found.
Luckily, I have been spared outright personal attacks, but a few times have encountered some subtle cruelty.
I think the thing that critics and IBOs alike need to remember is that not all people on both sides are gonna be "smart" all the time, and simply because someone chooses to be vocal on an issue, doesn't mean they can express their feelings intelligently. Anyone ever read any bad "Letters to the Editor" in their local newspaper? I sometimes think the local paper prints some of these letters as "jokes".
Anyway...I tend to choose my battles. If you know that jumping on every "Reader Mail" or forum topic is not going to "make your case", then refrain from it.
Whats that saying...Better to be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt?
It's still good advice for IBOs AND critics.
Ty wrote:
"The forum has become more like Jr. High than anything else. It's all a joke...."
I think that this proves my point. Another brash statement made by another pro mlmer who only comes on here looking to pick fights with others, and not to discuss meaningful issues with the other debaters.
MLMSCAM,
As usual, your comments are great works of fiction. Keep up the good work.
Good post QBlog.
I think where it starts is when people get the impression that the best defence is a good offence.
I don't think you'll find too many people on either side who would be willing to retract any of their comments.
mlmscam beat me to the punch about the brash post by Ty. It is very typical for IBO's to simply repeat everything they are told over and over (come on, I'm not that far off) and after a while the meaning is lost due to repetition. Something that may seem hurtful the first time you hear it becomes no big deal after saying and or hearing it a few dozen times.
I'm curious as to what your definition of a meaningful debate is Ty.
But it IS personal...
I agree that this forum is no place for rancorous rhetoric and character assaults. But keeping this debate from becoming personal is no small order. Consider the IBO who has lost tens of thousands of dollars - or more. Not only is that person's objectivity forever compromised, but their circumstance would seem to lead to a great deal of animosity for anyone that suggests the business is a "good" thing.
I understand the need for Quixtar victims to vent and release that anger. However, the goal needs to be healing and recovery - not retaliation through verbal assaults. The longer that anger boils within us, the more damage we are doing to ourselves.
Hi Ty:
Speaking of fiction, have you checked out the new "Passport Jokes" thread that Imran started up? I think that you'll get a big kick out of it. Please add to it if you have the time and not being constantly bombarded with your passport responsibilities.
Meaningful debate does not have to be grammatically correct, nor does it need to be lily-white. It should, however, have both a point, and a target audience.
Clearly there are two groups who have strong feelings about this subject, and feel wholly justified in their positions. I need to keep in mind that I am posting here for one major audience - the uncommitted potential system IBO. I disagree with the system mentality and I take the position that it is a waste of time and resources.
As much as I can support any "Powered by Quixtar" business, I support Mr. Robison's model, although I believe that there are still better business models.
I am not here to try and convert the locked in, system spewing, fully committed Quixbot - hence this choice of words. Any distributor who cannot recognise the damage that results from the brainwashing and mind control, the cultish actions of the QMO's, is beyond my words.
On that, it is obvious that I feels strongly. And I'm not terribly sorry if anyone is offended by that - it was that kind of talk that got ME to see the light.
JS >> But it IS personal...
That's the thing, it really isn't. It seems personal but unless the people directly responsible for the "negative experience" are participating in an online discussion it is not personal.
Believe me, I understand that it's difficult to separate the emotions from the discussion but it must be done before anything truly constructive can happen. And make no mistake, the very essence of criticism is constructive. It highlights problems and recommends change or at the very least, an end to the problematic behavior or processes.
It may feel personal, but it doesn't have to be that way. Yesterday's Reader Mail illustrates what happens when emotions control actions - not a pretty sight. All I'm asking is for critics and IBOs to at least try to control their emotions.
To Quote Anti-critic Qblog:
"commie liberals"
"with that beast"
"sadomasochistic behavior"
Qrush took the cake with this post on his website.
Qrush's post is at:
http://www.amquix.info/florence_blog.html
Qblog said: All I'm asking is for critics and IBOs to at least try to control their emotions.
So we should disregard the heading "Message to Quixtar Critics" and the following post saying "However, it's become painfully obvious that some Quixtar critics prefer to behave like mean-spirited bullies launching verbal assaults against everything related to "the business." And those attacks sometimes develop into lengthy tirades of incivility."
and keep in mind that it's ACTUALLY a call for both sides to behave, not just one. Oopsie. Forgive me, I read what you said instead of what you meant.
My bad.
Man Qblog, you're getting blasted by your own guys. I guess some people just like to be difficult, and like to debate. You should put up another political message - I loved watching the critbots argue amongst themselves. And it was fun actually agreeing with some of them. Having dmm on my side was kinda weird :)
Anyways, yea I agree, we should try to keep it civil. And I admit, I've called a few names, but it was always in retaliation. I try not to start the hostility, but the nature of this type of forum, breeds it to some degree. We can try to keep it civil, but someone is eventually gonna throw out a "moron" or "dumb@ss" comment.
But like someone said, when the critbots just start snarling and barking out insults, it just tells me, these people just weren't the right type to build a people-oriented business.
Tonybot wrote:
"We can try to keep it civil, but someone is eventually gonna throw out a "moron" or "dumb@ss" comment."
Gee, I wonder who that someone is, TONY?
Tony said: "But like someone said, when the critbots just start snarling and barking out insults, it just tells me, these people just weren't the right type to build a people-oriented business."
PW's response:
And probable-IBO Rob (of yesterday's Reader Mail) is?
Everyone on this board is doing well enough at whatever they do to afford an internet connection. How do you know the nature of our employment, Tony?
Fact is, you don't. You don't know whether we operate or work in "people-oriented" businesses or not. You're just making a blanket statement based upon what you've been taught by your upline in defense of your business. It's a blanket slur, and it's one of the things QBlog is trying to curb - whether it comes from the pro-Q or anti-Q faction.
PW
Tony said : Man Qblog, you're getting blasted by your own guys.
Who are Qblog's guys?
I can only speak for myself.. I'm a person reading Qblog's blog. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I disagree, and sometimes I fall in the floor laughing. Sometimes I learn things and somtimes I get to read some interesting stuff. Doesn't make me for or against Qblog himself. If I saw him on the street, I wouldn't slap him or hug him either one.
Not everyone has a clearly defined camp to ascribe to. :)
When I first started looking for information and a system for dialog about Quixtar, I was impressed by the Qblog, because it was not a quixtar sponsored website, nor was it a completely anti-quixtar site filled with statements that include vulgar, hate filled emotional statements. I made a decision that if I saw any such language, that wasn't the site for me because the ideas weren't rationally or respectfully expressed.
I agree that both sides have been doing a lot of name-calling. (Who started it? Don't know, don't care) When anyone was referred as a "-bot'" I skipped the post. If anyone had to use the @ or $ signs to complete their words, I skipped the post. Used words like "moron" or "bitch"? Skipped it.
'Seems like I've been skipping a lot of posts lately.
When people can't be respectful and mature, then the discussion is over as far as I'm concerned. I really hope that the discussion can be brought to a civil manner soon. Qblog has and CAN continue to help a lot of people if used correctly. If I ever was disrespectful to anyone in anyway, SORRY!!!
Gee, it just wouldn't be a 100+ post-thread without me chirping in, now would it???
If someone takes offense to the (insertnamehere-bot) tag, then they really need to get over themselves; actually they really need to get over the tapes and functions that have made them insecure, brainwashed zombies.
At the end of the day, it isn't personal. I am going to 'go diamond' in my own , non-AmQuix way. If someone goes diamond in an AmQuix way, that is fine by me.
But the truth is (as stated numerous times by the experts) that only 1 in 14,000 get to go Diamond -- and that comes at the expense of others.
So, until you can go Diamond (and prove it in writing!) by your own accord, quit posting that you can! It is that simple.
If you can't prove it, but act like you're their, then you are going to get called out for what you are....
a brainwashed Ambot zombie!!!!
A few more cents' worth...
I kind of like the suffix -bot, and it always brings a chuckle. Cuts both ways, too. It seems like it's almost always fairly applied - just a good, all-around device. Now, I personally don't make it a point to ignore any post, no matter how it is written.
Poor grammar abounds
Speling is even occaisionally tooth-grittingly poor ;-)
But the one reason I like to read it all, regardless: it's interesting! Raw emotion, discord, disagreement - even mock violence!
Better than a lot of novels I've read. And free!
Jeez, I hope that one of you will come along and knock me off of my high horse if I sit there too long.
Well, I won't say I ignore some comments, but there are some I briskly skim through.
That includes critical comments as well as what is lovingly called "bot comments".
Keith, I won't knock you off your high horse, if you promise not to knock me off my saw horse....or since we are on a Quixtar blog...I guess the appropriate term is "hobby" horse, huh?
"hobby" horse, huh?
Hee hee. Us Exbots couln't have said it better ourselves.
guys,
I personally like being called a bot. I personally like being told that I tapespeak. That doesn't resolve your arguements though when you call people that- its just a pure insult.
About the spelling errors- you can't judge someone merely by their typing. As long as they can get their point across is fine with me- lord knows my typing ain't that great. So your going to have some mistakes- take it in stride and understand the true meaning. Don't use spelling errors in your arguements- it just makes your case look worse.
CJP
CJP <----- Extends a Thank you to QBLOG for having the courage to keep this Blog going. And for all willingto share their minds.
CJP <----- Moves on to other topics of life. Will look for more signs tomorrow on the QBlog.
CJP <----- [Remains hopeful]
Cheers,
Clifford :-)
Ignore previous post. A bunch of it was cut off.
Seems like my fingers are not behaving.
Sorry,
Clifford
Michael, I hear you. Because you understood the inflection of my post, you realised that I DO look past the tooth-grindingly bad spelling and grammar, and try to understand the message in the messige - if you know what I mean.
Sorry that the milder labels are insulting. My feeling is that the fleecing of the flock is more insulting.
I generally don't judge, either, by typing errors - but I, along with a few other people here, have written and read enough to know the difference between typing errors and just plain-old bad grammar, incorrect word usage, and uneducated spelling mistakes.
It is what it is - why sugar coat it?
Have no fear, though - we see it on both sides. Fortunately for me, I found the "preview" button, and use it.
Mikebot>I personally like being called a bot. I personally like being told that I tapespeak. That doesn't resolve your arguements though when you call people that- its just a pure insult.
Good, Mikebot, we'll keep it up.
Not that calling you a robot has anything to do with resolving an argument or even casting an insult.
It is just calling a spade a spade. It is a fact. As a mindless, data-processing robot, you should recognize the introduction of raw data into your system.
But, you know what they say about data processing Garbage In = Garbage Out.
And considering that you are injesting garbage (and paying for it, no less!), we all know what is going to come out of your robot-mouth!!!!
DF, u call all IBOs 'bots'. Will you call me 'Paki' or 'terorrist' as well without knowing me?
nope.
The ambot tag is related to the pre-programmed actions/responses of those in the business.
The paki/terrorist tag is an function of a precognitive prejudice.
I have no prejudice. I have not pre-judged anyone.
I use the term ambot as label based on the actions/responses I have seen.
Got it?
No, I don't.
I'm neither a fan of Quixtar nor Michael, but I like debate to be objective, focused towards business. Not some WWE type.
Heck, I have been to some WWE boards. They are WAY nicer than what this place has become. It's sad really.
I expect some insults and whacky responses from some one caught up in a cult. They have found a hidden treasure. When this is challenged, some are bound to react like 'rob'. But to hear same thing from a cult free intelligent person, is a disgrace. Do we have to stoop at 'rob's level?
And what do you know about Michael? Here is what I know:
He is so far the first system IBO who blogs. I used to comment there. He called me names there, when he discovered my blog. He left this forum saying F U a while back, and then he came back again. He used to be a platinum, but he had some very serious health related problem, and now as he said, he is climbing back and now he is at 5000 PV.
Now think about it, maybe Quixtar is helping him in some other ways?
Imran, you seem a little slow. Not that I am surprised by someone who watches pro-wrestling.
Let's try this again....
"The ambot tag is related to the pre-programmed actions/responses of those in the business."
Mike(bot) is just as I described. He speaks in tapespeak and tool-related catch phrases.
Heck, the guy even admitted to LIKING it.
'I personally like being called a bot. I personally like being told that I tapespeak.'
So, Imran, what is it to you???
I think you are just trying to make yourself a martyr. Nice try but no cigar, er hookah for you!
Yes DF, I'm slow and not very bright. So go slowly.
Here is Michael's complete sentence:
Mike>I personally like being called a bot. I personally like being told that I tapespeak. That doesn't resolve your arguements though when you call people that- its just a pure insult.
An IBO exhibited more intellegence here. :)
I was reading Michael's responses. And there were many 'non-tape-speak' responses. Read them.
What do you mean calling me a martyr? Care to explain that ..... slowly?
"An IBO exhibited more intellegence here. :)"
Uh, no he didn't.....
I already refuted Mikebot's statement and he conceded with his non-response.
And just because I said "He speaks in tapespeak and tool-related catch phrases." doesn't mean that ALL of his statements are tapespeak.
Right?
Right?
Go get some logic....
Maybe if you'll get some, you can see that there is no connection between me calling Mike and ambot and whatever people here have been calling you. I don't know where you made that connection.
And I really don't care either.
Thanks for the explanation. But calling some one names weaken your own arguments. That's what he said and that's what I'm saying.
Get it?
Get it?
Df> Maybe if you'll get some, you can see that there is no connection between me calling Mike and ambot and whatever people here have been calling you. I don't know where you made that connection.
And I really don't care either.
Imran> You did call me something martyr etc. And now side stepping it. And now you are asking me where did I make that connection?
Help me to understand it. What you had in your mind when you said that?
And of course, you don’t care. Do you?
Nope, I don't care.
If you want to try to force your own circumstances into the fact that I called Mikebot, well, "Mikebot". Then that is your perogative.
I don't care if you want me to call names or not. If an IBO is going to express their points in lies, wrongful analogies and/or tapespeak, then I am going to call them on it.
Maybe some potential victim can save themselves by seeing what they could be.
from df:
"If an IBO is going to express their points in lies, wrongful analogies and/or tapespeak, then I am going to call them on it."
I couldn't have said that any clearer myself.
DF> Maybe some potential victim can save themselves by seeing what they could be.
Imran> Most likely that'll strengthen their resolve! And turn the conversation into a pissing contest, and basically many IBOs will stop comming or commenting.
Is that what you want?
If someone lie, expose it using the fact.
What is the definition of racism DF?
Let's not get into racism please.
Imran, calling someone a "bot" is NOT racist.
Racism refers to an attribute which people CANNOT change. ie., hispanic, black, Ukraninan, or whatever.
It is a predisposed notion about a person due to their race.
Calling someone a "bot" is NOT being racist. In fact, calling it racist is an extraneous use of the word, making it less powerful when it is used to define a hateful, hurtful opinion.
If you want to use it in everyday matters, lessening it's strength so that people become desensitized to it, fill your boots. Who's going to stop you?
But let's get something crystal clear here. Calling someone a "bot" is NOT a racist remark. It may be an insult, but I think DF has a very articulate defense for it, and it is a free continent to call it the way you see it.
Why is it that in society nowadays, everything is racist? Is it shock value? Is it to scare away someone who has an opinion which may make someone else look inferior due to a poor choice they made, or a poor choice the name caller didn't make?
Racism is not an issue here, so why is it becoming one? I have not seen a comment by DF that would indicate he feels superior to anyone because of their skin colour. For all I know, DF is a purple people eater, and who cares?
The "bot" handle is funny, and has been well enough documented here by various IBO's to support the handle.
I hate it when the racism card is played needlessly.
Careful not to wish anyone Merry Christmas Qblog. It will offend the Jewish people. Don't wish anyone a happy 4th of July either. It offends us Canadians.
Sorry for the lengthy post. This subject really pisses me off.
Racism is not a joke. People overusing the term makes it start to be one.
Rocket: Thanks for the back-up. I am sorry you had to waste your time on Imran's misdirected thinking.
Just for the record, I am not a purple people eater -- I would never do anything to hurt the purple people!
Rocket> Racism is not an issue here, so why is it becoming one? I have not seen a comment by DF that would indicate he feels superior to anyone because of their skin colour.
Imran> Yes it isn't. I just asked him the definition of Racism and you think I'm calling him racist? Read, rocket, read :) There are some thing common though. SOME things. Sweaping generalization is the one. Post just to insult without any content is another.
Before I've said so about pepparoni thing. You explained it well right? But DF has not explained yet the 'martyr' thing. Why did he say that and is now quiet? DF: I'm asking it for 3rd time. Why did you call me a 'martyr'? I'll ask it on every blog entry until I get a satisfactory answer.
Almost all of comments by DF suggests that he feel superior to other people. Such person may feel superior on the basis of race. 'MAY'. This was my reason to ask for definition of racism. So far his behaviour suggest he'll most likely call me 'paki' and may call an african american an 'N' word. To clarify this, I gave him a chance and ask him two questions:
1) Why he called me a martyr? (3rd time)
2) What is the definition of Racism? (2nd time) and I want to hear it from you DF.
Rocket: read the questions: Have I called him racist? No. I'm trying to figure.
Rocket>it is a free continent to call it the way you see it.
Imran>I can call ppl the way I see it right? Is it a free continent for me too? No?
Rocket> I hate it when the racism card is played needlessly.
Imran> Am I using this card? I'm not an IBO or defending any thing else. I'm just asking a question. Is it so awfull?
Imran:
You are wasting your time. If you want definitions, you can look them up at dictionary.com -- that's what I would post anyway.
You are the one with the prejudice. You are PRE JUDGING me with this statement.
"So far his behaviour suggest he'll most likely call me 'paki' and may call an african american an 'N' word."
That's on you! If you want to see prejudice, take a look in the mirror.
Imran. I like you. I like your blog. Sincerely.
But the inference was DF is racist for calling someone a "bot". It felt that way to me anyway.
It's not wrong to express your feelings. You're right, it's a free continent for you. Say what you want.
Racism is a disgusting abuse on Rocket's list of hates, and it is my #1 pet peeve.
#2 is a misguided insinuation of racism, which is what ultimately desensitizes society to it.
That's all Imran. Calling someone a Bot is not Racism. I know you'll say you never said that, but you made the inference. It's not nice to suggest that people are racist either.
I'm done on this, before I say something disrespectful to somebody I respect.
Later
Guys:
This thread is about to go off the main page here.
I think that this is a very interesting topic, so I started up a new thread on it, in "anything goes" of the main forum area.
Look to see all of yous there.
Rocket, you are completely right.
Imran is off his rocker on this one....
(I am sure he will try to find some racist overtone in that statement as well)
I am trying real hard to keep my 'Canadian" jokes subdued. But, the dam is breaking....
Rocket answered one of my questions. I knew he could. DF didn't bother with any of them, from whom I asked.
So DF, why did you call me 'Martyr'? Jump on the forum on a thread that MLMScam started.
http://tinyurl.com/ce6pb
Rocket, Discussion on sensitive topic is quite amazing. Don't run from it. If you are interested. Some people don't want to discuss Quixtar at all.
Up to you my man!
I'm not running. I don't run. I'm just through talking about it.
I'm not interested in the semantics of what is racist and what is not. I have given my definition of racism, and I stand by it.
My problem was the term being used inappropriately, a problem all too common in society this day and age. I have no doubt whatsoever that people are victims of racism every.....single....day. That bothers me.
For the most part (and I am including some of the people affectionately known as "Bots") we are intelligent and articulate people here. We should be able to ascertain what is and what is not racism.
I refuse to discuss it further, not because I am not intelligent enough to have a conversation about what is and what isn't racism.
It's because I am intelligent enough not to discuss something that I have yet to see evidence of it on this Blog.
If QBlog is the man I believe he is, he would NEVER allow that garbage to see the light of day here.
Let's not confuse racism with insults (if you take Bot as an insult, I personally find it funny)
Insults have their place. Racism does not.
Hear, hear.
I just responded to a proquix person regarding the reader mail you cite, where you were accused of being both a liar and a fraud, guilty of creating the negative post.
I find that position silly, inasmuch as anyone who has tracked the subject of AmQuix on the internet "bathroom walls" over the past six years knows that this level of passion exists on both sides - and oftentimes far more crudely than even that message.
I know that Larson's site, et al, helped me tremendously when I made the decision to break away from my devotion to the business. I was deeply hurt when I finally recognised the lies that I had been fed by my upline for what they were: self-serving crap designed to keep me plugged in for their profit. There was noting mutual about it - they didn't care less about my profitability short of what was needed to keep me (and my group) plugged in.
I don't care what you proQuix people say, this is NOT the way to run a business.
I digress. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: ad hominem attacks pro OR con do nothing to sway opinions - everyone involved tends to more deeply entrench in their positions. Sure, have some fun, be passionate, but the vulgarity, threats, and overall mean spiritedness does nothing positive for the arguments.
Other than show a complete lack of intelligence, logic and creativity.
Posted by: Keith Sr. | June 7, 2005 7:19 AM