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March 15, 2005
What you can't get from QBlog
By Windy Hill in March of Perceptions
This blog has become an authoritative resource for many who are looking for information about Quixtar. Most of what is here is well-reasoned, well-researched, and well-written. QBlog claims to be objective and for the most part the content bears that out.
There's a vibrant, vital community established here of faithful readers and commenters. The many participants debate, offer advice, ask for information, and bicker, just like in any group of people who partake in communal dialogue on a subject.
If you want information you've come to the right place. If you like controversy, it's here. If you want dialogue, humor, informed opinions, a good read, yeah, yeah you know what I'm saying. QBlog gives good blog.
BUT if you come here for help, if you come here searching something you can't quite articulate, if you're looking for unwavering affirmation for your waffling soul, I say be careful about coming to any conclusions based on what you learn here. Consider:
- QBlog is a third party observer, which puts the blog at a disadvantage when it comes to reporting/opining on Quixtar business matters. Although his wife once was an IBO and he has a basic knowledge of the business and how it works, he lacks access to much information available to IBOs.
- While QBlog claims to be objective, many of his readers decidedly are not. Those who comment on this blog are overwhelmingly critical of Quixtar and its business. This means that any of the fallout from the discussions here tends to be negative, sometimes to the extent of canceling out - or at least overshadowing - positive aspects of the content.
- Objectivity, while a good thing in, say, journalism, does effectively prevent one view or another from being put forward. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. Only potentially confusing for one trying to make sense of the varying pieces of information found here.
There is a discussion going on this week in the March of Perceptions section of this site that illustrates my point.
A new IBO is reading here, and he is having a crisis of confidence. He's having doubts about the business, his upline, and his own involvement. He's found some positive attitudes and intriguing information here -- a different way of looking of things that he admires -- and says so.
But he also gets applauded in his doubts by the disgruntled who frequent this site, lurking like vultures for just such a weakness to be revealed. The guy is earnestly looking for help. But he can't get it here.
Think about it. Neither QBlog nor his reader commenters can help this guy out. Nor are they particularly interested in doing so. This blog may be a place to come and learn some things about Quixtar, but it is not a place that will tell you "Join," "Stay," or "Run for your life." The catcalls of negative commentary aren't much help, either.
This new IBO will not get the advice he needs from this community, but someone needs to tell him. Tell him to approach his upline again with his questions. If he still isn't satisfied, tell him to call the company and describe what he heard from his upline. The things he relates here are not right. Tell him the admirable practices that he read on this blog cannot be sustained by working through a different line of affiliation where there is no (tools) system in place to support him. Tell him that that if he goes against his upline's teaching, they will drop him like they never knew him.
Tell him that for those reasons, he probably needs to find himself another business. And that these are things he's not going to get from reading QBlog.
The "March of Perceptions" is a special Quixtar BLOG project featuring the perceptions of four guest bloggers during the month of March.
Comments
" Tell him to approach his upline again with his questions. If he still isn't satisfied, tell him to call the company and describe what he heard from his upline. The things he relates here are not right. Tell him the admirable practices that he read on this blog cannot be sustained by working through a different line of affiliation where there is no (tools) system in place to support him. Tell him that that if he goes against his upline's teaching, they will drop him like they never knew him.
Tell him that for those reasons, he probably needs to find himself another business."
I think I've seen many posters saying these exact things, over and over, to IBO's.
Am I missing something?
Well, DUH
Of course there's nothing official about this blog. As far as I know, it is NOT related to Quixtar or any thing. Many ppl voice their opinions and well, there is good documented research as well. It's not just all opinions. Heck, Quixtar seems to respond some times on it ;-)
Regarding the over whelming -ve dudes, well no body said to +ve dudes to stay away. Come here, voice your opinion, give ur facts, share ur story. Who is stopping them?
On the side note, this word 'negative' is a good label. You put it on a person and no need to think about what they are saying. They are 'negative'.
Well written, Windy. Case in point: your posts during this "March Of Perceptions" thing. I've read them, and it seems to me that your points are vaild and authentic. Unfortunately for you, they're from the unpopular side of the fence. In reading the responses to your post, I get the impression that the QBlog regulars aren't giving you a fair chance. The majority of the comments are condescending toward your points and even your character, even though your veiwpoints are not presented in a language that's condescending to anyone elses. I can't and wouldn't tell anyone how to leave their comments, but as the sporadic and casual reader of this blog that I am, they look less like open-minded, back-and-fourth discussion and a lot like picking favorites. I just don't like to see anyone get bullied.
Hi.
I didn't mean to show up throwing it out like I was a baby lost in the woods, if this particular blog is referencing my experiences on this site.
I didn't want anyone to assume I was helpless, or looking for a clear "DO THIS" or "DO NOT", though I'm sure part of me wanted that.
All I was looking for were rational, sane people. And I was wondering if they were in this business.
I'm doing the business, that was always my intention. I was just concerned with some of the things I'd seen happening around me.
Wanted to find some folks who had eyes sort of like mine. Even if they weren't seeing the thing in the same light, they were seeing the same thing.
This site, and this may be very funny on some level, has kept me in Quixtar. Because now I feel informed enough to accept any risk. And informed to a degree where I can avoid some risk.
Of course, maybe there's another new IBO having troubles like mine, and that's who you're referencing with this blog.... In which case... I'm embarassed. Hah.
--Josh
"QBlog is a third party observer, which puts the blog at a disadvantage when it comes to reporting/opining on Quixtar business matters. Although his wife once was an IBO and he has a basic knowledge of the business and how it works, he lacks access to much information available to IBOs."
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PW: What information is he lacking? There are several IBOs on this site who are willing to share information. Some of us have other sources of information.
Personally, I think IBOs who only get their information from their upline and from the corporation are much more disadvantaged than QBlog's blog.
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"While QBlog claims to be objective, many of his readers decidedly are not. Those who comment on this blog are overwhelmingly critical of Quixtar and its business. This means that any of the fallout from the discussions here tends to be negative, sometimes to the extent of canceling out - or at least overshadowing - positive aspects of the content."
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PW: Being objective does not mean being devoid of opinion. It means being open to hear whatever someone might have to say about a particular issue.
Most of the people on this board are very objective and have strong opinions.
Also, it is not negative to present information that might prevent someone from getting scammed. Something that is "negative" is simply in opposition to something else. That is not necessarily a bad thing.
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"Objectivity, while a good thing in, say, journalism, does effectively prevent one view or another from being put forward. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. Only potentially confusing for one trying to make sense of the varying pieces of information found here."
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PW: I do not believe there is anyone whose views or opinions have been prevented from appearing on the blog or the forum. There have been opinions that have encountered opposition and argument, but I don't think anyone has been silenced for having a particular opinion.
I'm afraid that your zeal for painting this blog and the forum as "negative" has overrun your recognition of and appreciation for facts.
PW
You know, I just don't get it sometimes. I think everyone here knows that I am not all about Quixtar.
I've made my views clear.
1. The tools business is deceptive. Yes, it may "do it for you", but there are actually people out there who have studied motivation and have made a great living at it.......but have a formal education that gives them the necessary skills to do that. Quixtar diamonds, for the most part based on my experience, have NO formal training in this field. Oh yes, they have a PHD in life, and a masters in experience. Fine. But any PROFESSIONAL motivational speaker does NOT dictate to ANYONE how they should live their life.
The diamonds and above could NOT speak motivationally to a crowd of non-Amway people and get away with a lot of the stuff they say. ie. I know what it feels like to be Jesus(!) Yep, I can just imagine how that would go over in a seminar other than Amway.
2. The prices are expensive. Yes, some are good, and hey, I might even be willing to pay more for something, if I like it enough and it serves my needs. But almost everything is overpriced. I have a catalog a kind IBO emailed me. A few things might be worth the price, but I certainly cannot imagine running my household on only Quixtar products. I'd need a second job to afford it ;0)
I guess I have felt singled out here, because I am quite blunt when it comes to the facts of the topic. I just see it all, starting with the initial contact, through the plan, all the way to diamond as shovelling clouds.
I try to understand IBO's when they bring forth rebuttals, but they are all the same. Great people, etc...You can meet great people at boy scouts, or at the hockey rink. Many relationships can start in places like that, with no ulterior motive in mind, no goal to attain by being friendly, and no hard feelings if you aren't 100% compliant with ideas of others.
I just don't see a whole pile great about Amway, and it bothers me that people would drop a pile of money (like I did) on something almost guaranteed to fail from the outset by preying on people's weaknesses (be a man for your wife, your boss's wife is happy ad nauseum)
Am I missing something? Because if I am, PLEASE, tell me.
Admirable post, well written. But who at Quixtar would the IBO complain to about the teachings of his LOA? And what do you think would be done to them once the IBOAI get involved?
Serious questions for a serious post.
Roger
Posted by: Roger, Husband of a Team Brainwashee | March 15, 2005 3:36 PM