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February 24, 2005
New Rumors?
By QBlog in
Move over Proctor and Gamble, looks like a new batch of rumors are emerging from the Quixtar faithful and they have nothing to do with "the man in the moon." Nope, looks like the new rumors target Wal-Mart and focus on patriotism instead of religion.
From Miguel's LiveJournal we read:
My trepadation about this mounted. He [the Quixtar IBO] told me (again) that he (they) out performed Walmart last year by 100 million dollars. Also, that Walmart is going to pull out of the country soon. I thought Walmart was an American company? Now, that doesn't seem very American does it? Quixtar is an American company, giving oppurtunities to Americans.
Alright, it's quite possible that such comments are indeed isolated to this one "rogue IBO" but they are consistent with my experiences in Quixtar. I don't recall hearing those specific rumors but my wife was repeatedly told that Quixtar is an American company, selling products made in America, employing Americans and providing support to American causes. And those comments were often contrasted with Wal-Mart who was described as something less than American.
Are the rumors true? Well, Wal-Mart does import a lot (most?) of the products they sell. They were once putting "Made in USA" stickers on products but that practice has since ended. However, Quixtar outperforming Wal-Mart by $100 million? Not hardly. And is Wal-Mart planning to leave the United States? I really don't know but it seems unlikely since it's still owned (majority I believe) by Sam Walton's kids.
What's curious to me is that the IBO quoted in Miguel's post found it necessary to question Wal-Mart's patriotism. I wonder if others have had similar experiences? Have you ever been told some outrageous (or not so outrageous) statistic about one of Quixtar's competitors while being shown "the plan?" If so, would you care to share?
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we just joined quixtar last night. we asked if i was amway the man assured use it was not. but the lead products are what i remember being sold by amway. he also said artisty make up was the number 1 selling iin the world. its so high priced even more expensive than mary kay and estee lauder i dont see how it can be. he also said their vitamins were number 1 too. did we make a mistake? is it amway? i dont like being deceved
Wal-Mart isn't going anywhere. I live in the heart of Sam Walton country, and they employ plenty of the people in our state. If this guy had talked to a Walmart executive, maybe I'd consider the rumors, but his assertion is pure hearsay.
Mary Ann-
It is unfortunate that you will have to have the truth revealed here rather than by the person who signed you up who I can only assume is a close friend or relative.
Quixtar IS Amway. If you want verifiable proof go to this website and print out the post:
http://mlmlaw.blogspot.com/2005/01/name-game.html#comments
I'm sorry you were lied to about this. I assume you were given some sort of round about answer that Quxitar just happens to be a 'sister' company or that Quixtar just happens to sell some of Amway's products, etc. But the truth is that the Amway name gained such bad press in the united states that the only thing to do was change the name for their US interests while keeping things going as-is for the rest of the Amway world.
Don't get lied to any further, Mary Ann. I assume you were told that the forms you filled out (the BSMAA included) were simply a formality of some sort and were not told that you were essentially waiving your right to a trial by jury should you have a dispute down the road. There's a reason for this, it's because they are perpetuating a fraud and do not want their actions revealed to the general public with a jury trial.
Good luck, Mary Ann.
Interestingly enough, a friend (who is not an IBO but who is a republican) did say something that immediately made me think of Quixtar rumors.
He said that he doesn't shop a wal-mart because they contribute to the democratic party.
This made me wonder about this very thing posted here. It sounds like they're on their way to using this 'ammo' as well.
Mary Ann -
Jason has given you some excellent information. Find out if your documents have been submitted, and if they have not, I'd see about getting them back and shredding them - especially that BSMAA.
PW
I will end all specualtion! I work for Wal-Mart at the home office, here in Bentonville, AR as an upper middle management in the Construction Department. We just reported sales of $288 Billion for the year. That's the GDP of a sizable country. We built about 380 stores this year, we'll build 400 next year, and we have the next five years already planned out with 6% growth each year over the last. They are done deals. That's just the USA. Over seas the possibilities are endless. My department alone is the worlds largest real estate developers with a budget of like $15 billion. I personally control approx. $150 million in assets a year.
So, is Quixtar a competitor? Hahahahahah!
If retail sales was compared to all the sands of the sea, they might be one grain of sand in comparison to Wal-Mart. We watch our competitors very closely, and trust me Quixtar is not on our radar screen. Doesn't anybody get it? Quixtar is a joke!
As far as American? Sam started in 1962 with one little store here, and through genious turned it into the force it is today. It doesn't get anymore American. Kind of makes Quixtar claims to growth seem foolish. By the way, all retailers buy products over sea. You can't beat Wal-Mart's logistics, information systems, and negotiating power. That's why we are the best. Unlike Quixtar we slash cost out of products and pass the savings to the customer. Whereas Quixtar raises prices and passes it to the upline.
Oh, and trust me, we're not moving the home office. In fact this is one of the fastest growing areas in the country and Wal-Mart is building several facilities to accomadate the growth. Every single vendor has opened up offices here, they come to us, so you can imagine the buzz here.
Quixtar should keep talking crap, I'm sure our legal department would love some more defamatory comments from them. If you haven't noticed we're fighting back furiously over false statements from our enemies, like the unions and competitors. Our legal department would bulldoze their cocky little attorneys.
Finally, you won't find a more republican company than this, execs are pretty open about that. In fact our CEO get personal phone calls from President Bush and his cabinet about the state of the economy, we're that influential in US economic growth, so shop at Wal-Mart. And if you want the best prices from the internet go to wal-mart.com, we don't hide who we are, and you don't have to join our business "cult", hahaha. Check my site out at http://quixtarcriminals.blogspot.com/
I wanted to add another personal story. I know and dated Sam Walton's grand daughter, Annie. Annie's dad is Rob Walton the main family member who now controls Wal-Mart and other business ventures. The family is more wealthy and powerful than several Devos and VanAndel's. I won't to share the differnece between Wal-Mart and Quixtar culture.
I was born and raised here, and I remember seeing Sam Walton drive around in his beat up 70s pickup truck with a baseball cap on.
Annie is more beautiful than Paris Hilton (and richer). She drives a $15 thousand car. She is as sweet and humble as can be, and friendly with everyone, poor or rich. Their house is middle class. She didn't even have a TV growing up.
They don't brag about their wealth or flaunt it. In fact executives at Wal-Mart have been fired for excess.
Family is more important to them. See the difference between Wal-Mart and Quixtar culture. See which one is more successful.
Not to just rub it in, but...
Last year Quixtar did $1.1 billion in sales. Wal-Mart did $258 billion in sales, that's 280 Quixtar companies combined.
It would take 30 Quixtar comapanies combined to account for the sales increase this year alone to equal Wal-Mart's $288 billion in sales this year.
Jonas' Dad - I think I've heard the same quote - that Quixtar did more sales than Walmart. I believe the quote I heard was that Quixtar.com did more in gross sales than walmart.com - internet only sales. Could you find an accurate walmart.com sales amount without too much effort? If it's too much of your time, forget it.
One of the things our Diamonds often say is that we are dominating in Internet sales ("behind Amazon, of course", they embarrasingly say out of the side of their mouth)
But mostly, they talk about Quixtar's amazing potential and how it's going to be the biggest and the best "someday".
Wal Mart doesn't release separate sales figures for walmart.com. It's a bit of a touchy subject because the retail giant hasn't really made much of a splash on the Internet. They even shut down their site completely to revamp their Internet approach a while back. So saying you outsell "walmart.com" isn't really saying much even if Wal Mart Stores, Inc. as a whole is the largest retailer in the world.
This is just another crazed fundamentalist in Ambot tinfoil. Numbers are wrong, the rumor is false, the anger is unjustified.
Even if Walmart were to expand outside of the US -- who cares. The stores they have in the US would stay; those existing stores make them the #1 retailer in the US.
The only thing worse than a stupid Ambot are the trashy fundamentalists shopping at Wal-Mart. I say 'no thanks' to both!
Hey Mary Ann,
Any internet search will clearly show that you have been misled or lied to.
Quixtar IS Amway, and there is no denying that. Also, the majority of the lifestyles which you have been shown to "plant the seed of a dream in you" have been created with the tapes, books and seminars.
If you don't mind spending more $$ for household goods, go for it, and don't forget shipping costs. Wholesale in Quixtar is above and beyond retail anywhere else, for the most part.
If you're looking to get rich, however, either do some sound financial planning and investing, or play the lottery.
Both of those endeavors easily exceed your chances of financial independance via Amway or Quixtar.
These people have not been honest with you, deliberate or otherwise.
And it is misrepresentations like that, which makes it next to impossible for anyone to succeed at it, even if they were going to do it honestly.
During my amquix days I had used a mechanic that was also in the business (he was crossline from me).
One day while I was at his shop, one of his downline had pulled in for an oil change. When this individual got out of his car, the mechanic, only half jokingly, chastised his downline member for continuing to drive a foreign made automobile (I think it was a mazda). The guy became slightly annoyed but nevertheless just smiled and turned away.
It just goes to show you how brainwashed some of these amquix distributors really are, even to the point of ruining a standard conventional business/customer relationship.
Isn't it funny how the amway/quixtar MOs would always brag about how they were always the best in providing the highest quality products at the lowest possible prices to the mass end consuming public, more then any other conventional wholesaler or retailer out there.
However, when they then had the overwhelming proof shoved into their faces that this was definitely not the case, the kingpins would then automatically switch gears and claim, "Well, our business is not a buyers club. It's only meant for individuals who truly want their own successful home based business, and who do not build and operate it with an employee mentality, and who also don't live like the masses in society just looking to save money rather than making it.
Back when I was a crazed Ambot, I would have said ANYTHING to get a butt in the STP chair- much less to sponsor me one. I was just duplicating my upline :-)
Gag 'em and drag 'em!
Somebody tried to show me Quixcam- they didn't know that I'd just deprogrammed from WWDB/Amscam- and I asked, innocently, "is this AMWAY?" I said it really loud in a public place (I think is was one of those postal mailbox places). I'm serious, this guy was like an archtypical A/Qbot standing around with his Amaspear.
You could have heard a pin drop- I thought the guy was going to swing his Franklin Planner at me (probably a bad idea, I'm 6'1" and 195, with 3" on him).
So he recovers somewhat and says "No, it's Quixtar"
"Doesn't Alticor own both Amway AND Quixtar? And isn't Quixtar just AMWAY (really loud) repackaged for the internet?"
If you ever want to see prospectors scuttle away like cockroaches in the light, just say "AMWAY" really loud. It's a magical word.
Sorry Mary Ann, but sweety, this is AMWAY
Walmart don't need walmart.com to thrive. They're so deeply embeded in the American psyche that the american government BOWS TO THEIR WILL whenever stuff happens. A store closes, say "goodbye" to all the money in that county. Government officials (Republicans, all) drive down to Bentonville, Arkansas to get orders from them.
And I WISH they were the biggest donators to the Democratic Party -- the backlash would be so great... but unfortunately they don't give a dime to any party but the Republicans.
Hey Moron, Jonas is a little boy that Jonas' dad is fighting for custody for. Way to go dipsh**.
Yeah, whoever wrote that, you are a complete dork.
As for globalness. Walmart are all over the world. They didn't need to "expand" into the UK. They just went and bought the second largest supermarket chain, Asda.
http://www.asda.com/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4273191.stm
I don't see what's so "un-american" about importing stuff from abroad. Especially when on the other hand the IBO's are boasting about how many countries Amway operates in. Surely they're un-insertcountry'ing that country. Seems hypocritical. We're a global economy now.
The same people criticizing Walmart are Ambots -- these robots have no business sense and can't understand that we live in a globabl economy, not a pyramid scheme.
Idiots, the whole lot of 'em.
I guess it shows how bad things are now for Quixtar IBOs.I was in Amway/Quixtar for 16 years.I was a Wal-Mart Asst. Mgr for 3 years.I have been in retail for 30 years and and am a Grocery store Mgr. now.Quixtar is the worst thing in retail I have ever seen.Everything is built towards the upline instead of the downline.Example you do the work and get a customer( if you can find one ) you get a 3% bonus and upline gets 25 %.You found customer but upline gets most the money from your work.It goes on and on too!People can still do business with Wal-Mart around and make money.You have to take care of your customers and do the things Wal-Mart can't do.You don't have to tell stupid lies though.
I did my best to find out what wal-mart.com earnings were, but as mentioned by someone it's all combined with wal-mart numbers and sam.com with sam's club our wholesale affiliate. I know in a corporate meeting with the CEO they were very proud of the numbers and growth, but i don't remember the actual stats.
But, I found some intersting independent lists of top sites. I did a simple word search on top e-tail or top e-retail sites. Interestingly, not only was Quixtar not on the lists, but one organization surveyed just about every company on the internet (and listed them) and Quixtar wasn't there. So, you see they really are a joke in the retail world. Even worse, they're not even acknowleged. I know they say they're on top lists, but I don't recall seeing anything independent. Here's what I found, again not very comrehensive...
Wal-mart.com #5 for thanksgiving shopping 2002, no Quixtar:
http://www.clickz.com/stats/sectors/retailing/article.php/6061_1555511
Wal-mart.com #2 & sam's club #11 in August 2003, no Quixtar:
http://www.clickz.com/stats/sectors/retailing/article.php/6061_3072761
This shows internet retail is probably 2% of total retail sales, and growing very slowly, hardly the "pot of gold" at the end of the Quixtar "rainbow":
http://www.clickz.com/stats/sectors/retailing/article.php/3361411
Wal-mart.com #3, on thanksgiving 2003, no Quixtar:
http://www.clickz.com/stats/sectors/retailing/article.php/3441171
And wal-mart.com is #7 overall and #2 merchant in focus on e-commerce customer satisfaction, no Quixtar (not even surveyed amogst hundreds of retail internet comp.):
http://www.futurenowinc.com/customerfocused04.htm
I'm sure there is more out there. I can't see how Quixtar is a real player at all. I mean, Wal-Mart does in one day the sales Quixtar has in a year.
P.S. Who ever insulted my 3 month old baby boy with your filthy dirty braintrashed words, typical of Quixtar IBOs, I dare you to leave your name and address at my site!
Good research, Jonas' Dad!
(But a COWARD would NEVER leave his name and address on your site!)
Once got into a discussion about foreign ownership of Target with someone on the Amway Memory Hole Dreambook named "Bankin It". He claimed that the Target Corp was owned by the French. When asked to produce a source, he couldn't, so I took a look and found that the Target Corp., formerly the Dayton Hudson Corporation, is still headquartered in Minneapolis, Minnesota, which is where the majority shareholders are. I then guessed someone in BI's upline said that since a lot of people joke about the name of Target and call it "Tarz-ghay", that it must be owned by the French!
As for WallyWorld, nobody in the world outperforms them. Maybe Quixtar North America did 100 million more then one particular Wal-Mart store, but Wal-Mart is the number one retailer in the USA, and so out-performs the #2 retailer (Home Depot), that Wal-Mart makes in about three months what HD makes in a full year. And, if you want to see just how much Wal-Mart makes, since they, like Target, are a publically traded business, the information can be easily found online searching Wal-Mart's investor relations links, http://investor.walmartstores.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=112761&p=irol-irhome. I'd try the annual report .pdf file.
Posted by: dmm | February 24, 2005 3:26 PM