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February 16, 2005
Michael's XSMargarita Recipe
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From Michael of Pluck News here is the infamous XS Margarita Recipe with Vodka!
Michael's XSMargarita Recipe
2 Jiggers Jagermeister
2 Jiggers vodka
1 can Cherry or Fruit Punch XS energy drink(your Choice)
1 slice Kiwi
3 Ice Cubes
Mix vodka, jagermeister and XS in a glass. Add ice and a slice of kiwi.
Serve in Margarita or Highball Glass. Enjoy!
I'm not into mixed drinks so I haven't tried it but don't hesitate to share your impressions here or with Michael.
Comments
I forgot to mention that either way(good or bad) I would probably end up throwing up on myself. It wouldnt be the alcohol that did it either, it would be the thought that by drinking XS I would be supporting some Ambots Amquix habit.
Gee guys, thanks for posting that for this old lazy critic!
I am glad that ChrisA has jumped on the Ambot dialect, and I am glad that lawdawg agrees with me--that isn't a margarita!
It isn't even a remotely close to anything other than a high school jungle juice party.
I am surprised that the Ambots would lube their gears with this stuff before showing the plan. I know I wouldn't get tipsy before I had a presentation at my REAL j-o-b. How about you?
And I find it ironic that Mike sites Dateline for his alcohol-awareness, yet most good little Ambots discredit Dateline for the expose for our favorite scam of debate...hmm...
Bad drink recipe. Unproffesional behavior. Hypocrisy. Yep, Ambot-Mike has all his bases covered. Good job champ.
Thanks again for indulging me!
Ice cubes? Who puts ice cubes in a drink? Everyone knows they just water down the alcohol!
If I had to show the Plan, I'd have to get hammered too. I learned long ago that if you have to drink in order to do your job, you need a new job. My mayor hat is off to you, Michael.
Lush.
The sad thing about this type of drink is that it makes you look like you can drink alot. The B vitamins in the energy drink (red bull, XS, etc.) counteract the alchahol and your left with a neutral combination. You might as well just drink water. It's cheaper (unless you have to filter it through youe e-spring).
I can see why these kinds of drinks are a big hit with the younger set.
"Yeah, man! I drank 6 jagerbombs last night. Can you believe that!?"
This Irish lad will just stick to the old reliable:
One burbon, one scotch, and one beer!
I checked out Michael's blog "Pluck News" and cliocked on "Think it's too expensive to do Quixtar?" and discovered once again that quixtar is not product-driven by any means. When I was shown the plan, there were red flags right away because the items were considerably higher than what I was used to paying. How could I possibly try, with a clear conscience, to convince someone else to purchase these items if I wasn't willing to?
Michael had also written in this post that many people want to be their own boss. Is this really true? I honestly don't believe that most people want that. Remember that being your own boss does not mean working less. In most cases, I've found the opposite is true. My husband sets his own hours for the most part, and it is rare that he puts in only a 40 hour work week. He does this mostly because he loves his work.
Believe it or not, he and I are two people that actually enjoy our JOBs.
If quixtar is truly the way to become your own boss, why don't all the IBO's quit their JOB right away and devote all their time to the biz. After all, it is such a "great opportunity." (I know, sarcasim is not an attractive quality.)
Guys I want to thank you for making my recipe and blog incredibly popular! :-)
Inquiring mind, how do YOU know if people DON'T want to be their own boss? What you think about time management in business is a whole lot different than my perception and neither of us will be wrong.
DF, The reason I made the Dateline quote is because I was poking fun at you "anti AMBOTS". Loosen the girdle a bit fella.
Mayor MCcheese, Ice is optional, but I find if you don't chill the XS really good first it won't taste great. I'm having fun with blogging and the online community so again I thank you!
Hey Michael, here is my recipe, give more buzz than yours:
Take a break from Quixtar, no opens, quests, seminars, taps. Watch TV, movies, music, hang out with guys.
Try it for a month and see how does that work!
michael
Sorry for attacking you, but I just get tired of hearing the spin from quixtar about the joys of being your own boss and all the people out there who despise their jobs. Are there really that many people who absolutely think that their occupations are SO bad? AND if quixtar is the answer for all masses, why not ADVERTISE in a more efficicient way?! If Q is so great, let everyone know. If you ask the average person on the street just what XS is, chances are they'll have no idea. Put AQ items on the general market and see how they do. But that is my point (afater all this rambling) quixtar really isn't about the product, it is.
"Bad drink recipe. Unproffesional behavior. Hypocrisy. Yep, Ambot-Mike has all his bases covered. Good job champ."
I forgot to add that Mikey has added 'denial' into his little recipe.
He has yet to acknowledge that his drink isn't a margarita. I am sure he won't admit to losing money in his little amscam.
What's next Mikey? An excellent brownie recipe from the recycled fee-cees of your upline???
Gross!
"I am glad that ChrisA has jumped on the Ambot dialect"
Huh? I've not "jumped" on any dialect. Are you confusing me with Chris? I've consistently loathed Amquix since I started posting here(a trend that I dont ever see changing).
Imran,
I've "been there, done that" and I do go out on occasion to see my cousins band in concert-you can read the bio's in my links that I like section on my blog. I don't prospect, I don't discuss biz, I just veg out and jam to good tunes. I've been a partyer much of my young-adult life and I got sick and tired of it. It didn't get me anywhere. I got into the biz because it helped me focus on MY goals, not the quixtar goals despite what you anti-bot-bots think.
At least inquiring minds has some real objections and concerns that can be dealt with at a mature level. If I asked 9 out of 10 people what they thought of their job, most would say they hated it cause of the time-for-money trap.
DF your the one to talk about unprofessionalism and hypocracy.
Michael, why dont you tell us about the "time for money trap". I would like to know more.
Mikey:
You're a poser. That recipe is a bust and so is your fake party-guy spiel.
If you ordered a margarita at your local, you would know that it is made with tequila, not vodka.
ChrisA:
I wasn't going after you, I am glad that someone else sees guys like Michael for what they are--programmed meat puppets (insert ironic rock reference here).
Good luck in getting your questions anwered. Mikey isn't straight forward much like the other Ambot who was shamed from here prior to the holiday (plain old 'Chris')
With all due respect to Mike.... I can take a stray alley cat and call it a siberian tiger..... it ain't. That ain't a margarita no matter HOW you mix it.
If you took a real margarita recipe and substituted the "flavored" XS for whatever flavor source the recipe called for (cherry, strawberry, lime, etc) .... MAYBE..... c'mon.
Here's a maragarita recipe... 4 ingredients!
http://tinyurl.com/672z2
Don't forget to salt the rim too. HA!
Call it whatever you want, make up a name, call it "Retirement on the beach"
Roger
DF,
Your inferiority complex really shines through. Unless you met me in person, how would you know? Ask any of my personal friends if you want references DF. I used to close the bars down from Wednesday night til Saturday night.
It doesn't make any sense to "defend" my party status. It's a rediculus arguement.
Go ahead and call the drink whatever you want it's a free country. I call it my margarita. I think DF is jealous he doesn't get the attention.
ChrisA, the time-for-money trap is pretty self explanitory but I can write an article for you and post it in the forums this week if you want to open up a discussion. my forum name is webbmentor.
exactly, call it whatever you want...but using misleading terms or wording is a form taught by the "tools" people. Like "edify".... or even by Quixtar... "bonus on your own purchases".
I'm not begrudging you that you may have a decent drink, or a way to market it...except you can't advertise it or retail it in bars, as both go against quixtar's rules.... so you create a way for self-consumption. "Hey everyone, next time you want to get liquored up....add XS, then you get PV from your drinking!!" Except most of the QMOs, (we know you personally are different) teach hard core right wing evangilism christianity...and would rather downplay the alcohol partaking.
Me and my friends have a drink we call "Sttuts", it's original that we know of, and was not based off of a different drink to name it after... it's not an "apple-tini", or some other derivation of a drink to tie it to.
Again, it's just the mindset of misleading that is taught by the QMOs... tell them its a margarita, then when they say it doesn't taste like any margarita they ever had, you ask "did you like it?" and if they say yes, or it's okay, or anything like that.... BAM!!!! You pounce with the "it's made with XS!" Would you like to buy some or whatever.
Roger
I couldn't help but notice Mikey deflecting with the old, "Call it what you want" line.
Typical. Get called on a bunch of BS, and you still can't admit when you're wrong.
It's spelled ridiculous. This is why people pounce on you all the time my friend. Deceit at every level, and you seem to be perpetuating it.
If you knew it wasn't a margarita, I'm sure you would have made some reference to that.
You should go ask 10 people (not in Amway) what they think of their job. You may be surprised. Have you ever? Or is your upline telling you that? Think for yourself dude.
Margarita my ass........
Roger,
I can agree with you on those points. However, you CAN sell the drink in bars, you just can't sell XS in bars at retail cost. Soooo, you get the bar owner to sign up as a wholesale customer and that's perfectly legal to do(I've asked Quixtar before).Let the bar owner make some profit on his drinks since I am sure Red Bull isn't offering him a really good deal. While I don't offer the drink directly to other IBO's or clients, I do offer the recipe if they want to try it on their own. Hey it's a way to have fun and lighten up a bit... Something DF needs to learn to do.
I just DON'T like personal attacks when you really don't know me personally. That's childish, immature AND unprofessional. Also, it really shows how shallow one person can be.
Alright Michael. I know what the Time-for-Money trap is, what I want to know is what makes you think Quixtar isnt the biggest time for money trap in the history of the world? Although I absolutely never have seen any value in AmQuix, I do respect your trying to find a way to make it work legally and still have a profit at the end of the day. By the way, good luck with that. Anyways, let me tell you something that you may already know, or may not know, those of us that have been researching this stuff for a while can instantly decipher/recognize A/Q rhetoric. I absolutely cant stand reading that stuff, as many, many Ambots have been saying variations of the same stuff for years upon years, it instantly sets me off. All jobs(including Amquix, which IS a job) are time-for-money traps. If you want to make money, you will work for it, if you want to make a lot of money, you WILL work that much harder. Short of winning the lotto(which interestingly enough has produced many, many more "financially independant" people than A/Q could ever dream of), there is no such thing as easy money. The top 1% do not come to blogs and explain why their business can work.
chrisa, DF, and whoever else reads this,
If you want any type of respect whatsoever, quit name calling.
If you don't want to get to know me based on my profession, thats your loss not mine. It shows how selfish, and shallow, and thoughtless you really are. I come here to LEARN and understand things, not to be put down just because of my association with quixtar. Why don't you show me some respect and I'll show you the same respect back. Deal?
XS can be sold in Bars at whatever cost the bar can charge.
There is a marketing program by the makers of XS to market XS in retail establishments.
There are guidelines to follow concerning advertising it, but it can be sold.
Mikebot:
You have been called out my friend. Your maragarita recipe, your XS-bar distributorship, your time/money trap idea, geez-even your spelling; it has all been debunked.
You don't have a shred of credibility.
The only thing you should be learning is that you have it all wrong.
The good news is, accepting that you have a problem is the first step to your recovery.
You may hate me for it, but you're welcome. 11 steps later, you might even thank me....
Michael said:
I just DON'T like personal attacks when you really don't know me personally. That's childish, immature AND unprofessional. Also, it really shows how shallow one person can be.
and I say:
I did not write any personal attackes, if that which you answered to of mine is what you refer, then I am slipping in my writing. I did attack the QMO mindset, and have previously stated you seem to not be held to the same mold, but appears to me that there is some overlap.
I also have not called you by anything other than Mike or Michael that I can find.
Michael also says you can't retail it in bars... so you get a barowner to buy it at wholesale and they can sell it for whatever they want. That's pretty bogus, youo should be able to sell it at retail price to anyone you want... what they do with it afterwards is up to them. If youo can find a bar that wants to use XS instead of Red Bull, sell it at a profit, the Red Bull distributor does. Why should the bar owner sign up as a member?? can't he be an unknown client to Quixtar who buys from you? According to the rules compendium, you are allowed to sell product at ANY PRICE YOU SET... higher or lower than the Quixtar suggested price... good luck selling it at a higher price, they are mostly higher than reasonable in comparison anyway.
You can not sell it in a bar you own, and you can not sell it in a stand (or kiosk, or table) in the bar for your own profit to the public, those are things not allowed by the rules, and that is what I referred to. Much like what Dave R. said afterwards. But the barowner can do whatever he wants after you sell it to him. So he can set whatever price he wants.... he can create a drink of a shot of Vodka, cranberry juice and XS and charge $6.50 as a "specialty drink"... people will buy it if they like it. To try and say he has to buy it wholesale (eliminating your profit and relying only on PV) to make a profit is silly.
This is your business to make profit on... or not.
Roger
As for this "time for money trap"... don't fool yourself, Quixtar is the same trap... Diamonds sleep til noon cause they spend 7pm to 4am doing plans, functions, recruitment, and everything that a "traditional job" does 9a to 5p.
A Diamond "retires" from Quixtar when they get booted out (Bill Britt, Joe Land) lose interest in the scam (Bo Short & TIF), or can't afford the lifestyle and go back to other jobs. Theres whole list of them over on AmQuix.
I got a new job, and it is a real "Time for money" job.... no salary, no hourly wage, it is a pay per job job. The more jobs I get done in a day, the more money I make. I will get various assignments and get paid set amounts per assignment, If I am good and quick, and run out of work, I call the office and ask for more.... and I make more money. If I want to slow down and work slower, I get less done, I get less money. That is about as independent as it can get. I'm not selling anything, nor counting on "downline" sales. It is a cable service/repair/installer position. I'll gladly put my hours into that and get paid vs the Quixtar time hoping that I can convince others to come along and end up paying me for my time.
Roger
DF,
why don't you call dateline and have them do an expose` on my margarita drink?
I don't hate you for anything, I don't know you. If you think I am doing something wrong your entitled to your own opinion. I really don't care what you think.
Roger,
There is some major overlap on this post...ooops
I wasn't referring to you as making personal attacks. Your fine. It's DF who is making personal attacks, thats ok, he just looks foolish and makes me LOL.
Sorry DF, your the one that's been figured out my friend. Why don't you go into comedy? It might be better than your stint in Quixtar...
Okay Michael, we're good.
I, as always, am looking for the discussion. I try not to offend unless offended first. I usually suffer the brunt attacks of true bots before I will attack back. Not putting you in that catagory.
Roger
Mike, these "personal attacks" are not really attacks my friend.
They are just the truth, that's all. I mean, it can be summarized in a few sentences:
The products are too expensive, you can't control that.
The diamonds & up make the majority of their income from the tools sham.
Why would anyone want to be a part of that? Why would someone attempt to sell an item that is really cost prohibative? Most won't, unless they think it'll get them something, 99% of who won't get anything out of it?
And Red Bull is better than XS, in the words of Chris, who has not shown his long winded face here for about 3 months now, HANDS DOWN.
The time for money trap is in everything. Roger has it about right, I think.
I think you should consider the criticism Mike, and believe it or not, I consider what you say, it's just pretty much the same as what every other Amway dude says.
Rocket,
LOL! Your a comic too! I'm sorry for laughing at how you think these "truths" are gospel. I'm sorry but I just don't see the business the same way you guys do. Maybe I'm in the wrong part of the country? Maybe the "wrong" LOS? who knows?
Rocket, show me a product that ISN'T cost prohibitive. Please try not to refer to the amquix site- I know that site is like the pope of anti MLMers. But I would like for you to show your "individuality" without pointing to "amquix" links.
I don't know if Red Bull is better than XS- haven't tried it. I won't drink anything that 'gives you wings' if you know what I mean.
I do consider the criticizsm and I am really offended that you don't think I have done my due diligence on this business. since you don't know me, what research do you know I have?
Criticizing the business is one thing, but criticizing an individual that you know nothing about makes you look incredibly foolish.
Roger- Investing, pension and passive income is the only cure for the time for money trap.
Michael,
I dont feel that I should be lumped into the personal attack crowd either. I dont think that I ever personally attacked you, ever, not that I recall anyways. No, pretty sure I didn't. I know that I wasn't calling you an Ambot in my last post, in fact I was trying warning you of what Ambots do. You originally came to this forum/blog and it was refreshing to see a "pro" that didnt say the same crap over and over. I dont want to see you get lumped into the Ambot category. I know it must be hard to continually defend your position when so many people are trying to tear you down, but, please read my last post and give me answer. As long you dont regurgitate A/Q rhetoric I promise I wont flip out.
Rocket says,
"They are just the truth, that's all. I mean, it can be summarized in a few sentences:
The products are too expensive, you can't control that.
The diamonds & up make the majority of their income from the tools sham.
Why would anyone want to be a part of that? Why would someone attempt to sell an item that is really cost prohibative? Most won't, unless they think it'll get them something, 99% of who won't get anything out of it?"
Product price can be controlled. IBO input has led to cost reduction or percentage increase in some product lines.
Catalog Food Prices and paper products are still overpriced in my opinion, but I have clients that buy it.
Your statement of "truths" may be too much of a blanket statement based on your opinion.
Factors for why a client buys a particular product can be varied,
Qblog offers a Blog Update service. One of his blogs that is watched is Dane Carlson's on Business Opps.
Dane recently posted this:
http://www.business-opportunities.biz/archives/2002/03/02/5052.php
Sometimes it's not about price.
When I was a video producer, I was three times more expensive than my competitors and I stayed busy.
And most will attest that I am far from a "high pressure" salesperson. I just found my niche.
That niche marketing idea is very teachable to an IBO looking to merchandise and market products.
Bartender for two years...that's no margarita! Not even a fake margarita in the sense of the fake martini's that we see so often in today's yuppie bars.
One contradiction I find among just about everyone who is "anti Q" that posts here is that they say they want to "expand their horizon". How can you expand your horizon if your not even willing to listen to what the opposition has to say? Kind of hypocritical thinking if you ask me.
Tell me rocket, have you found that product that isn't "cost prohibitive" yet? I am waiting for an answer.
Lane, like I said before call it what you want, I really don't care.
I hope that last wasn't directed to me.....but I am looking to discuss the opportunity. I was in Amway in a Yager line, my wife is currently under Woodward who teachs a la Yager cause thats who he came up under.
I have yet to have anyone who is in tools, tell me how great the opportunity is for actually making the business work. lots of Rah-rah about how much better as a person you become, how much more religious you become, what kind of new friends "in the biz" you get cause anyone not in it is not your friend, using the business to create "freedom" for you, and to "help" others by showing them the plan and getting them in. (again a primary recruitment idea cause the more people you get in, the more tools they can sell) No one actually creates business... unless you are the leader or one of his minions who profit from the tools sold to your downline. The success of the end-line IBO's Quixtar business is secondary to the success of the upline tool business.
Dave R. has many times written about what he does to build business, retail to companies, move the Amagifts (one of the few things I genuinely like that had the Amway name in/on it), etc.
Self consumption makes sense as a side benefit of the business. But don't start the crap about the McDonalds owner who only eats McDonalds.... find me one of those. You shop for your tastes, needs, costs, and desires. I'm sure there are many a McDonalds owner who has eaten at Burger King, Hardees, Big Boy, Arby's, or wherever, since opening his franchise.
My wife wanted to start doing "jewelry parties" using Quixtar mechandise, much like a tupperware, avon, or whatever home party. I thought it was something she could do...she is a great salesperson, she bought $1000 + of jewelry for display and such and had two parties at home that I know of. no referrals, no parties at other peoples houses.
The reason Orrin changed his group to "Team"... rhymes with scheme. She goes to the meetings, the seminars, and all that...gets people stacked below her, maybe by the time they get 200-300 people below here she'll actually hit 1000 PV that she didn't spend on herself.
Care to discuss any of that, come on over to WhatAboutQuixtar.com and hit me in the forums.
Roger
"I have yet to have anyone who is in tools, tell me how great the opportunity is for actually making the business work."--Roger
Thought I had. I'll repeat the tools themselves:
Make the first circle works. Get 10-20 customers. From that, you'll generate 300 to 1500 PV for a gross profit of $200 to $1,100. This will completely fund your business.
The 10-20 customers you get either through the "front door" -- eg show the plan, if they say no to the biz, then show them the in-home-shopping-service to show them the benefit of their becoming a customers -- or through the "back door"-- eg you prospect them as a customer and once they have been a customer for a number of months, you'll show them the biz plan.
There a numerous backdoor approaches--the skin care for the ladies, ala Artistry makeover, the Xtreme crowd, the home care products for the busybody, the weight loss system, the health care system, and the B2B products.
Of all the IBO's in my org, there was only one that listened to me about making the first circle work and they hit Silver in 5 months. The rest of the legs have more IBO in their legs than the Silver, but much less volume. Why? Because they all have little retailing.
Hi Jennifer, I don't think I've had the pleasure of talking to you before. Sounds like a good plan, get customers, make money, see if any want to become IBOs.... now, which tools QMO teaches that?
Mikebot:
Leave these others out of it--I AM the one doing the name calling.
You are a fake, phony, SOB.
There, how's that? Like it? I don't care.
You dont care if anyone calls your recipe phony, why do you care if you get called phony? Another contradiction....
Quit crying you baby!
David and Michael
I will give you both the same opportunity I have given others who say that the prices are OK. If one of you get me set up on autoship, and the things I buy every month are actually cheaper delivered to my door (shipping included and within 48 hours,that's a selling point, no?) then you have got yourself a new customer. Before you say that you don't wish to do business with someone who is so negative, keep in mind that this is my response. Should you be unwilling to quote me any prices for what this will cost would simply solidify my point. This is NOT a more efficient way to move products.
Michael, I did not mean cost prohibitive as in everything needs to be free.
What I buy needs to be worth what I pay for it, otherwisae I won't buy it. Cheap is different than value. I could buy a cheap no name jigsaw at Wal-Mart, but I choose quality so I buy Dewalt. If Wal-Mart has the exact same Dewalt jigsaw cheaper than a Dewalt outlet, I will buy it there. I am not cheap, in fact my wife would laugh at you if you tried to convince her that I am.
When it's something that I will need for a long time, I buy the best I can afford.
I would not see a need to pay a premium price for toilet paper or toothpaste when the ultimate end result will be the same as with the stuff I can buy at my local store for cheaper. It's usually more expensive in Amway even PRIOR to shipping costs.
That is my answer. Can you do it? I verily believe you cannot be competitive.
"Sounds like a good plan, get customers, make money, see if any want to become IBOs.... now, which tools QMO teaches that?" - Roger
World Wide Dream Builder. See "Legitimizing Your Business", "Maximizing your Profitability", "Crown Tips", "Taking Ownership of Your Business", "Prosumer to Diamond in Two Years", "Pump up your Volume", & "Starting Tips". They all say pretty much the same thing--you must make your first circle works. You must meet everyone at their level of need and you must generate volume at every chance.
Rocket--I'll give you a counter-proposal. The SA8 powder has a technology that allow it to dissolve more completely. This have the effect of being less damaging to your washing machine and also of keeping your clothing lasting longer.
If these 2 are of value to you (longer lasting washing machine, longer lasting clothing), determine the value you would pay for that. This is the premium you would be willing to pay for the detergent for these added value. Obviously, if the above 2 are not of value to you, then SA8 will not be of added value.
If you tell me you're a man of your word, I'll send you a 6-months supply of SA8. You try it out for 6 months. If your white stay whiter, your color doesn't fade, and if your washing machine doesn't get clogged with detergent filler, you let me know the premium of SA8 is not worth it to you. I'll tell Quixtar I have a dissatisfied customer and get the money back. If you're satisfied with the result, then you'll pay me for the 6-month supply.
If you have a family of 4, the 6-month supply is $62.50 plus sales tax (depending on your city/state).
DF!
I'd looove to baddle wits with ya some more, but come back when you have some ammo!
Rocket, you said their products weren't cost prohibitive- I want to know which products ARE cost prohibitive!
While you make valid points which I can understand, you still never answered my question.
oops thats battle, not baddle- I've been hanging around the anti mlmers my spelling is slipping!DF that should be an easy comeback for you.
Mikebot:
I don't have to 'baddle' or 'battle' your "babble".
You already shown yourself to be a fraud and phony. You beat yourself!
Everytime one of you ambots swings by, he/she hangs out for a few months, gets humiliated by me, and then jets off to losing their hard-earned cash (ironically, $ that came from their j.o.b. s)
You are no different. Thanks for playing you've been fun.
If you ever want to admit that you are losing cash or that your recipe isn't really a margarita, feel free to do so.
Rocket,
I'm a user of DeWalt tools myself. I wouldn't use anything else.
Jennifer has stepped to the plate on providing you with guaranteed service, and I'll respect that.
Jennifer, thanks for the info.... "Legitimizing Your Business", sounds like there may be alot of illegitimate businesses out there otherwise..."Prosumer to Diamond in Two Years" must not be too good of a tape, 5 years now as Quixtar and how many new Diamonds in two year timeframes since then?
I appreciate your info, You don't appear canned.
Guess I need to look at WWDB and see if they truly differ from the rest... curious though, do they have a "Top 50" tape set like Team?
Roger
Jennifer7Lee
Thanks for your offer, it's nice to have a real answer from an IBO. By your posts, you obviously have found an ethical way to do this.
I currently use the 8.87L jugs of tide. One of those lasts me 6 months. The last one we bought cost about $15.00 Canadian. That translates into about $12.20 US, not including taxes or shipping.
To me and my wife, our clothes are done just fine, and the whites are quite white. As far as wear and tear on my washer, I get it serviced for free once a year any time, as well as a 5 year warranty. It's a Maytag, which is the very best we could afford (quality over cost). We have not noticed wear and tear on clothes, and I have used Amway stuff. Did not notice any difference between it and what I use now.
To be clear, I appreciate your offer Jennifer7Lee, but I would be paying about $50.00US more, not including shipping. Thank you for the offer, I do appreciate it. I DO however, know a family who will only use SA-8 because other detergents give them a rash. To them, it is worth the cost. I appreciate your straightforwardness and honesty.
Mike, THAT is what I mean by cost prohibative. At least Jennifer7Lee has the jam to lay the cards out and be candid about what she can and cannot do.
And she doesn't creep around at boat shows bothering people either, XS boy.
Rocket:
Becareful, we don't want to hurt poor Mikebot's feelings (do robots have feelings?) because of our name-calling.
We would just be subjecting ourselves to more of his pity-parties instead of getting him to admit that he has no farking clue about how at a real business operates....
Jenny7Lee:
"This have the effect of being less damaging to your washing machine and also of keeping your clothing lasting longer. "
Alright, I'll bite (Mikebot is boring) - where is the proof that your detergent provides less wear on a the laundry machine???
Surely if you use that in your sales pitch, you must have facts to back it up, right?
RIGHT????????
I already have a call into Stone Phillips for the Margarita expo, I can leave him another one for your detergent claims.
DF, you make me laugh, dude. What a guy.
I'll I can say is that if Mikey's feelings get hurt that easily, he's got a lot more tapes to listen to.
Go diamond, Mikey. They aren't too receptive to feedback either.
Jennifer7lee,
My washing machine is about 12 years old, Maytag, and seems to be doing fine. I use Gain detergent which runs about $8.00 for 100 uses. I love the scent, and it seems to be working just great. I have tried SA8 before, and it seemed to do a fine job as well, considering we use iron-laden well water. My question is how can you see benefits to your washing machine? It sounds like an approach that is pretty hard to prove .
BTW, I know some people absolutely swear by the prespot treatment. I have yet to see it remove anything challenging.
df- please stop before you hurt yourself. I know you don't care what anyone else thinks, (as you've said over and over again), but I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that your insults are getting tiresome.
Jenny7Lee:
I am still waiting on your facts, luv. I am curious to know how you can make your claims.
IQ:
Don't assume that you speak for anyone but yourself. QBlog has his perception, I have mine, and you have yours. We are all free to express them here. I'm not gonna stop, and I doubt you will either. So learn to live with it pal.
I thought I would repost this, you might not have seen it last time.
"Alright Michael. I know what the Time-for-Money trap is, what I want to know is what makes you think Quixtar isnt the biggest time for money trap in the history of the world?"
Are there any businesses that are less profitable for the majority than Q? traditional or not? I cant think of a less profitable way to try and earn, you might as well walk out into public and hand your money out to strangers. At least then you wont have to go to all those cult meetings and buy all that mind control BSM.
Rocket,
I think you have a very viable and honest objection to the products being "cost prohibitive". I would like to extend a discussion topic about this in the forum. I think you have "price" confused with "cost prohibitive". I can fully explain the differences if you are willing to listen to my explanation without fighting. I think it would be a great topic to discuss on a mature level.
In regards to DF, please enlighten me as to the "real businesses" you pretend to operate. If you want to resort to childish name calling, let me call you one neme. I consider you to be a "SNERT". If you want the definition a SNERT is a "super negative, egotistical, repulsive teen-ager.". Simply put, SNERTS lose any and all credibility in the eyes of the business world. Since you are not of age to vote, your opinions don't hold water. That's my final thought about you.
I'll still continue to post in here if the objections are valid. I think if a message board is all one sided, how can one learn from one another?
opps I mispelled "name". Sorry for my fingers not working.
Why isnt Quixtar a time for money trap?
"Jennifer, thanks for the info.... "Legitimizing Your Business", sounds like there may be alot of illegitimate businesses out there otherwise..." - Roger
It's truly amazing how many just won't listen. I will quote them Mike Woods saying "all of his platinum did it this way and all went platinum in 6 months." By implication, no legs who did it otherwise (eg legs not getting retail) made platinum. Still, people are just flushing everybody who doesn't want to be a biz builders.
""Prosumer to Diamond in Two Years" must not be too good of a tape, 5 years now as Quixtar and how many new Diamonds in two year timeframes since then? "
See the above comment. Prosumer to Diamond in 2 years is about generating retail customers.
"Guess I need to look at WWDB and see if they truly differ from the rest... curious though, do they have a "Top 50" tape set like Team?"
Not sure what "Top 50" tape set are. WWDB have a True North set (about 15 tapes) that teaches all the fundamental of the biz from contact & invite to how to show the plan to follow up to how to properly structure your biz. If you get this and you're truly self-motivated, you'll never need to listen to a rah-rah tape nor attend a function. Of course, you'll also have to find other truly self-motivated IBO to duplicate you.
WWDB have weekly standing order. It's a mix of Diamond rally, Emerald rally, Ruby rally, selected rally from the major function, some John Maxwell tapes made just for WWDB, some Paul Tsika tapes directed at marriage & spiritual, "attitude" tape on how to look at life, and seminar tape which repeat True North.
The sign-up for the new IBO is just the basic $49 Quixtar reg fee plus the "10-10-10" which is the IBO selecting which product they want and recommendation on their buying the True North series, whatever their budget can handle.
"My question is how can you see benefits to your washing machine? It sounds like an approach that is pretty hard to prove. " - InquiringMind
Have the prospect wash their washing machine empty using SA8. In the middle of the cycle, cup some of the water and look at it and feel it in your hand. It'll look murky and feel like sand (comment made by prospects, not me.)
After the first wash, repeat using SA8 again (eg washing the empty washing machine after the first SA8 cleared the washing machine of other detergent residue). In the middle of the cycle, cup some of the water and look at it and feel it in your hand. It look clear and fell clear (comment made by prospects, not me).
For the clothing, just use the product for a couple of months. It's pretty noticeable.
"Why isnt Quixtar a time for money trap?" - ChrisA
There's only one way and one way only out of the time for money trap--that's to create ongoing sales on other time.
Variation of this are writing book, music, real estate rental, equity/bonds, and business, any type.
The cavaet with business is that you must be able to transfer your knowledge & skill & motivation to somebody in order to get out of the time for money trap, otherwise, it's a hellish J.O.B.
Quixtar will get you out of the time for money trap only if you do 2 things and BOTH are critical--the first is to develop retail, read ongoing sales, and the second is to transfer your leadership to others.
If you do one without the other, have fun working hard because you'll never get out.
As for it's "hard/impossible" to develop retailing--it's free enterprise for crying out loud. Who said Quixtar is easy? (If you're believe someone on tape, I got a bridge to sell you). Free enterprise means you're free to do and innovate until you find a way that works. If you want to listen to somebody, that somebody situation better be close to what you're going through. A Diamond experience 10 years ago is ancient history.
The transfer of leadership is actually pretty simple in Quixtar. The leader is the one working the biz, so it's very easy to identify them. Much easier than in other biz where you interview them and hope you judge them correctly.
So at what level within Quixtar does one have to achieve the break free from the time for money trap?
Jennifer, lovely of you to keep this going... I find it enlightening.
in regards to :
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""Prosumer to Diamond in Two Years" must not be too good of a tape, 5 years now as Quixtar and how many new Diamonds in two year timeframes since then? "
See the above comment. Prosumer to Diamond in 2 years is about generating retail customers.
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I would think that the tape would be about getting to Diamond in two years.... again, something I understand no Quixtar only member has done yet in the 5 years they;ve been around.
As for the Top 50 Tapes from orrin Woodward's "Team", I have a full list of them published over on WAQ, and can be found in the thread here at http://tinyurl.com/6cn2o ... it's the third post.
Your standing order tape program sounds like everyone elses Rah-rah stuff though.... any chance of seeing a list of the Top 15 pack top which you refer? you can put it over on WAQ.
In regards to "free enterprise"... Michael and I have tried discussing the limitations placed upon the "I"BO by Quixtar that no other product supplier appears to put upon their independent, non-employee, sub-contractor, salesforce.
Roger
In regards to no NEW Quixtar diamonds....according to a Quixtar employee posting elsewhere, Tim Marks is a Quixtar Diamond..joining in 1999
Jenny7lee:
SO, you really have no hard imperical data to back up your claims of how great your detergent is on washing machines?
Hmmm..that sounds typical.
Mikebot:
I don't care if you think the objections here are valid; and I really don't care if you continue to post here. You have added no value to the pro-Q side of things. You have rehashed all the same tapespeak on all the same issues that have come before you.
You aren't special or different. You're another cog in the sputtering AmQuix machinery. Good luck with the losses pal.
Guys,
Leonard Kim of Korea broke 200 brand new Diamonds last year who were never in Amway.
Roger, you still have not answered my question about 'rules and regulations compendium put a strangle hold upon the IBO that almost hands you over to the QMO "tool" organizations'. Again I wan't you to quote word for word from the compendium.Not from Qblog or the amquix site, but from the official compendium.
I want you to show me in the official compendium where it states that IBO's can't setup a website?
It's actually listed in the compendium that you can have a website but only prior to Quixtar's approval.
I also want you to point out in the official compendium where IBO's are required to sell BSM's.
In order to get the donation to your charity, the rules have been clearly stated. The rules are word for word from the official Quixtar compendium. Nothing more, nothing less.
Tim Marks to my understanding joined Amway, which became Quixtar.
Korea?? Quixtar is North America only... and not even all of it. You must be talking about Amway in Korea, so they would all be Amway Diamonds. As Quixtar member, if you sponsor someone outside N.A... they are in Amway.
Michael, I addressed you back at Dave's. But here's the short version.
SALES website. Rule 4.3.2. You can't solicit sales. And seperately a site showing the "opportunity" must be passworded, even though Quixtar doesn't.
I never said they HAD to sell BSMs. You are mis-quoting (creating) things I did not say... and deflecting/redirecting the points I do bring up... standard tools tactics.
"your rules are not clear, and it is NOT too much to ask that you read what I read and tell me how it is not what I read it to be.
As I said over on Dave's site.... your attitude and behavior is insulting, you cry that no one wants to listen to you... but you do not say anything when asked.
best regards,
Roger
Roger,
The only limitations that can be placed on you are the limitations you place on yourself. How's that for tapespeak?
Also I completely understand your objections but any answer I give must be "tapespeak" and is all lies. I have to defend my answers first as not being tapespeak.
You don't think that gets frustrating for an IBO who hangs out here? I can understand now why chris doesn't post anymore.
Rocket, your right, the only thing to focus on is being the "first new diamond" in quixtar since in Roger's mind there are no new Diamonds.
"As for the Top 50 Tapes from orrin Woodward's "Team", I have a full list of them published over on WAQ," - Roger
True North (number in parenth are # of tapes)
How to Contact & Invite(2)--scripts for all thing related to contact & invite
Follow Up/Follow Thru(2)--how to conduct the follow up after showing the plan
Getting Started Right(2)--how to sign up new IBO
Legitimizing Your Business--getting retail customer. Explain in-home-shopping-service.
Maximizing Your Profitability(2)--talk about the proper structure; e.g. paying 20 bonus check from which you'll find 7 to teach and build depth.
Nine Steps of CORE - explain why CORE is important & what it is
Foundation for Diamond(2)--different takes on Maximizing Your Profitability. Not sure why these 2 are separate. Foundation talks about creating an "eagleship" and then keep building on it until you hit diamond. Maximizing talk about finding 7 motivated legs and help them and in the process of helping them, you'll hit eagle, double-eagle, ruby, diamond, and then crown ambassador.
Beginning Tips
Friendship First/Platinumship Second
Taking Ownership of Your Business
These are general tape on how to conduct your business.
Pump Up Your Volume--more in-depth on how to generate retail volume using the 10-10-10. My guess is in a couple of years, they'll combine this with legitimizing into one tape.
Pro-sumer to Diamond in 2 Years. A different slant on legitimizing.
That's 15 tapes. If you sign up for premier membership ($38/month), it's $2.50 a pop for $38. If you don't sign up for premier membership, it's $7 a pop for $105.
I got permission from Ron to transfer these as mp3 to new IBO without cost. The constraint is we can only transfer them for free to downline, not crossline, and we can not burn and resell.
"I would think that the tape would be about getting to Diamond in two years.... again, something I understand no Quixtar only member has done yet in the 5 years they;ve been around." - Roger
I don't recall any blueprint provided to take you Diamond in 2 years. The only thing I remember is his talking about how to build a platinumship without any IBO, eg 100 prospects said no to building the biz, you turn 24 into clients. Over years, if you service them faithfully, they should be doing 300 PV each, thus giving you a platinumship.
"In regards to "free enterprise"... Michael and I have tried discussing the limitations placed upon the "I"BO by Quixtar that no other product supplier appears to put upon their independent, non-employee, sub-contractor, salesforce." - Roger
You're free enough to conduct business within their parameters. Don't like, don't do it. It's fairly simple. If you think you can do better outside those parameters, then do something else that allow you to operate outside those parameters.
Jennylee said it best:
"Don't like, don't do it. It's fairly simple. If you think you can do better outside those parameters, then do something else that allow you to operate outside those parameters."
I dcn't like it.
&
I am doing something better outside of AmQuix parameters.
But that isn't why I'm here. I've seen homes and workplaces disrupted by this "business". I've lost friends to this "business". I've seen those same friends go into debt for this "business".
It is a scam people -- plain & simple.
If I wanted to 'player-hate' I would go after people with REAL wealth.
But I don't want to player-hate, I want to antagonize existing Ambots and I want to make said Ambots look stupid to anyone considering joining up with them.
So far, I think I've done a pretty good job, thank you very much!
Jenny, you sound a little smarter than your average Ambot. I hope you see that there is no real reveneu generator there other than through selling tools.
Mikebot, I don't think you could see your way out of an empty XS can; may God have mercy on your soul (and your bank account).
Jen,
Thank you for pointing that comment out that if you don't like it, don't do it.
Roger, if I can prove to you that an IBO can have their own legitimate website thats approvable by quixtar, that showcases the products, and that I can show you how to set this up, would you be willing to discuss this intelligently?
I won't be posting for two weeks due to scheduled PC maintanance and the end of ice fishing season, so you can email me your response if you'd like to discuss it.
Df, u da man.
Yes I don't like it, and I'm not doing it. That doesn't mean I can't give my opinion on it, does it? ;)
I don't wrestle, but give my opinion on WWE all the time. No body EVER asked me to 'Hey why not you do it and show me' or 'u r such a broke loser' or 'do something else'.
Not that some one in that particular thread has said that, just a 'talk' I hear quite often.
"But that isn't why I'm here. I've seen homes and workplaces disrupted by this "business". I've lost friends to this "business". I've seen those same friends go into debt for this "business"." - DF
And I had seen friends committed suicide due job. And I had seen marriage destroyed due to job commitment. Doesn't means job is evil.
If you don't have balance in life, you're in big trouble.
"It is a scam people -- plain & simple."
"Jenny, you sound a little smarter than your average Ambot. I hope you see that there is no real reveneu generator there other than through selling tools. " - DF
I guess all of us who are building the Quixtar biz must be pretty stupid? Let's see who are in my org: ex-VP of Engineering for a major software company and current owner of his own software company, owner of a CRM startup, VP of marketing for one of the major dot-bomb, owner of multiple gas stations, owner of a chain of 13 restaurants, owner of 3 Curves franchises, owners of a Subway franchise, owner of 3 UPS Store, etc. Yep. You got more brain than all of us. We can't tell a scam because we're soooo stupid that you have to think for us.
And yes, they had all read Scott L site and every other anti-mlm sites. I must be a Sith in the making to exert my Jedi mind-trick on these weak fools and dominate them so totally.
Where's the proof? It's easy DF. You go talk to the above profile and show the plan to them and see how many see it as a scam. Walk the talk.
Uh oh, looks like Jenny-bot is mad.
Better pull a Jedi ("Jeni"??) mind trick of my own--"These aren't the critics you are looking for".
Did it work? No? Damn?
Back to work ((pushes sleeves up))
Jenny7Lee: ".. I had seen friends committed suicide due job. "
Suicide is the result of mental illness-a chemical imbalance if you will. Kurt Cobain, Hunter S. Thomson, a lot of great people were sick with this illness; unfortunately these people did not get help in time.
The Ambot army is also a little sick in the head too. But this isn't the result of natural chemicals occuring in imbalance. It is a result of the cult mentality and programming that goes on. Go ahead, tell your upline you aren't going to a function, see how many zombies call you. Tell them you are going to bed at 11pm during your weekend retreats, see what kind of opposition you'll be up against.
I hope someone can get to you and/or your droid friends before it is too late.
It might be your kids (see the other article on this site), it might be your bank account, it might be your friends and family. Chances are, you will lose more than 1 of them in your little greedy quest!
Jenny7Lee: "And I had seen marriage destroyed due to job commitment."
And I think there has been a great deal of fidelity issues reported within the ranks of the A/Q pryamids too, if I recall...
Regardless, I know what can happen, and it isn't good. My (ex)buddies apparently have spent their entire 2-3 years (and savings account) to reach a $25k annual gross. These are bright and intelligent men and women that could have made a lot more doing other things! But they can't break away because they feel like they can't get away.
Re-read that last sentence: "..they can't break away because they feel like they can't get away."
Does that sound healthy to you? Not me!
Jenny, I hope someone does do some thinking for you; I hope they make the RIGHT choice.....
Sorry for the Chris-esque post there.
Also, Jenny7, I am still waiting on your empirical data on the effects of your detergent on washers. Your claims are still unsubstanciated...no big surprise...
Also, also -- Does anyone think that Mikebot is really gonna show up in a few weeks? Methinks not. The PC maintence argument may be the weakest excuse ever....and the ice-fishing thing is probably codespeak for "soliciting at boat shows".Ha!
DF speculates, "Also, also -- Does anyone think that Mikebot is really gonna show up in a few weeks? Methinks not. The PC maintence argument may be the weakest excuse ever....and the ice-fishing thing is probably codespeak for "soliciting at boat shows".Ha!"
Mikey is a true Minnesotan, and ice fishing is sacred, kinda like an Alabamian not missing a Winston Cup race.
I always hear that "ambots" need a hobby, need "something else" in their life...so don't go discounting the man because he has a life outside Quixtar.
And by the way, he let me know about his computer troubles as well, and I don't think he'd lie to another "droid."
That just would not compute.
Beep. Beep. Whirrrrrr. Beep
;)
Dave:
Thanks on the clever response. You will now be iknown as R2-Dave2. Congrats.
We'll see what Mikebot does in the upcoming weeks. Can't you just buy fish online and up your PV? Or does SAMs/Costco have yet ANOTHER advantage over the quixter???
Jenny:
Still waiting on you, luv. Lots of stuff thrown back to you. Hope you have lots of real, substanciated answers........
Actually DF, calling me R2-Dave2 isn't really gonna work, on most of the AOL discussion boards about MLM, they call me Obi-Wan, already.
Not the young one from the prequels, but the Alec Guiness-one.
I guess it has something to do with me being old; either that or I wield a mean light saber.
oh, I almost forgot..the only fish you can buy at Quixtar is cans of tuna fish.
From what I understand, tuna is rarely caught while ice fishing.
But that's neither here nor there for me, as I hate fishing, and I buy tuna at Wal-mart.
Dave,
I hear you have a really big light saber. Is this true?
Yeah, but Obi wasn't a droid like you.
Maybe you can be Mecha-ObiWan ?!?!
Now, I'm dating myself....
The only thing Mikebot is gonna catch out there is a cold! HA! Wait, can robots catch colds???
Anywho, can I sign you up for a membership into SAMs club? The $ you save on your annual tuna fish budget will put cash in your pocket !!!
Bad news: Tuna comes in lots of 36 cans
Good news: Not one tape to buy--ever!
I have a Sam's Club Membership, used to get all my video tapes for duplication through Sam's.
Now, it's just a hassle to go there, since the Supercenter is just up the street.
And in case you didn't know, I'm not on any system, and don't buy tapes from an Upline.
As for your empirical data that you are waiting on from Jenn...her claim that the washing machine will last longer is based on a corrosion inhibitor added to SA8. Thats where the claim come from. There's a clever demo about it at the Q site, but no claim that it is an exclusive benefit of SA8.
Other detergents may have the same ingredient...others may not.
If I was a "critic" I might say that saying "we have a corrosion inhibitor in our detergent" might be akin to ShellOil saying our gas contains absolutely no pond water.
In the end, it's up to the client to decide if thats a significant advantage.
Qblog, since you don't go to a lot of chat rooms you would not know, but everyman on the internet has a big light saber
So I guess the data I am seeking is the correlation between the corrosion inhibitor and the increased lifecycle of washing machines.
I'm trying not to be cynical (honest, this time I am not), but I think that such data doesn't exist.
And I don't think Shell, nor Shell's distributors have ever made a pond-water claim...
...but the detergent-bots HAVE made claims regarding their detergent.
So it isn't 'akin' or even ana-kin (bad pun, I know)
DF says, "So I guess the data I am seeking is the correlation between the corrosion inhibitor and the increased lifecycle of washing machines."
Unless Jenn has evidence of that from her system ,I would say that in my years in the IBO loop, Amway or Quixtar has not released empirical data on that. They have conducted tests on life of clothing based on detergent use, brightmess, rust on zippers and such, and there is the standard anecdotal testimony of such. But I am looking over some past literature, during product introduction to see if they published anything of that sort
"I'm trying not to be cynical (honest, this time I am not), but I think that such data doesn't exist."
I would say you are probably correct. I have not seen it.
"And I don't think Shell, nor Shell's distributors have ever made a pond-water claim...
...but the detergent-bots HAVE made claims regarding their detergent."
My feeble point was that corrosion inhibitors are probably not a huge selling benefit. I never used it as a feature, although the demo for it is pretty cool, in a schoolroom chemistry class sort of way.
"So it isn't 'akin' or even ana-kin (bad pun, I know)"
No, I quite enjoyed that.
As r2Dave2 stated:
"My feeble point was that corrosion inhibitors are probably not a huge selling benefit. I never used it as a feature, although the demo for it is pretty cool, in a schoolroom chemistry class sort of way."
But it looks like Jennybot was using it as a selling feature--another wild-a** claim made by another one of your loose-cannon business associates. Just read her postings in this thread!
You have too many un-educated, un-informed people in your organization (you all fall under the Alticor umbrella right?).
In turn, the crazies are duping honest hard working people into joining up, under the wrong pretenses! Dave, you could be the best, most honest IBO -- if you are, good for you.
But from what I've seen, for every 1 like you there are at least 3 crazybots (JennyLee, Michael, Chris).
In any event, I'd have to go through one hell of a lot of SA-8 to justify it improving the long life of my Maytag.
This is supposedt o be one of the great products.
It's priced itself out of the market, I think. The only reason it sells at all is because there is a captive audience who believe it will help them become rich.
And their sympathetic families.
"It's priced itself out of the market, I think. The only reason it sells at all is because there is a captive audience who believe it will help them become rich.
And their sympathetic families."
Yup. That explains why some people will call Quixtar hq to locate a direct near them so they can buy SA8. They must had adopted the direct so they can be sympathetic to them.
Michael Said:
The only limitations that can be placed on you are the limitations you place on yourself. How's that for tapespeak?
Also I completely understand your objections but any answer I give must be "tapespeak" and is all lies. I have to defend my answers first as not being tapespeak.
You don't think that gets frustrating for an IBO who hangs out here? I can understand now why chris doesn't post anymore.
Rocket, your right, the only thing to focus on is being the "first new diamond" in quixtar since in Roger's mind there are no new Diamonds.
I reply:
Very good tapespeak. Thanks.
Defend your answers??? when have you given me any?
Didn't say it wasn't frustrating, I have tried my best to ask and get....and am waiting.
Korean Diamonds... are they in Quixtasr or Amway? If Quixtar then Quixtar is not "North America Only"... if in AMway, they are irrelevent ot the Quixtar discussion unless you are stating that Amway and Quixtar are one and the same... which is constantly being stated that they are not.... yet as a Quixtar IBO, if you sponsor internationally, you become an Amway distributor... right or not?
Still trying to discuss.
Roger
Hey Jen.... thanks for the tape list... again, you provide information which is enlightening.
the 10-10-10 plan for generating retail... I take it that is not 10-IBOS sponsor 10 IBOS who sponsor 10 IBOs and that it is actually customer thing? Or just a variation of the 6/4/2 plan?
Michael said:
Roger, if I can prove to you that an IBO can have their own legitimate website thats approvable by quixtar, that showcases the products, and that I can show you how to set this up, would you be willing to discuss this intelligently?
I reply:
I'm sorry, was I not discussing it intelligently? I apologize, surely after your ice fishing trip you would be happy to address my concerns voiced earlier, as I would love to be able to discuss things like I've wanted the whole time.
Good luck on the ice.
Roger
jennifer said:
I guess all of us who are building the Quixtar biz must be pretty stupid? Let's see who are in my org: ex-VP of Engineering for a major software company and current owner of his own software company, owner of a CRM startup, VP of marketing for one of the major dot-bomb, owner of multiple gas stations, owner of a chain of 13 restaurants, owner of 3 Curves franchises, owners of a Subway franchise, owner of 3 UPS Store, etc. Yep. You got more brain than all of us. We can't tell a scam because we're soooo stupid that you have to think for us.
I reply:
Guess that's alot like the Orrin Woodward plan... if you have a 6 figure income, then you most likely have the money to affford to do the business while the other job makes the money that pays for the tools (etc) so that you stay in so long they are able to stack people under you until you can cross the stage asd get invited to share the tools money.
Roger
Roger,
The 10-10-10 stands for 10 customers, 10 categories, 10 products. You do products demo and/or present info on the products. Then you offer the customer to service his products need whereby he can only choose one item from each of the 10 categories. For example, for home care, it's one of the home care products (laundry detergent, pre-wash, bleach, softener).
The rationale is 10 products is not a big deal for most family to purchase, so they don't feel overwhelmed or pressured.
As for your other comments--I'll treat like it's from df et al and ignore it. Is that really your opinion that successful biz owner would engage in a scam or you just trolling like df?
Jennifer7Lee
Do you really believe your SA-8 is competitive? I mean, at the end of the day its laundry detergent, right?
But it's waaaay more expensive laundry detergent.
And I have a tough time believing that a significant number of people go looking for a direct to buy laundry detergent.
Really hard to believe. Surely you concede that it is quite expensive, no?
Or do I just not understand.
I guess Jennybot isn't going to answer any of the questions I asked...sigh...
She won't back up her product or her claims. Not because she doesn't have the facts (BTW, she doesn't have the facts) but because she doesn't like me...sigh again..
Will someone else my questions to jennybot? She might answer them if they came from someone she liked.
Jenny, who do you like, other than the pieces of your pyramid? Maybe they can ask my questions.
OK Jen, so your rationalizing quixtar legitimacy because lawyers and doctors and business owners are members? What are you going to say next, its legal because (insert large corporation name here) is "partnered" with quixtar? What kind of rational is that? It means nothing except that these people dont know how the real money is made. They have been sucked in by the hype, just like the hundreds of thousands of "quiters" before them. The job you do that pays for your quixtar job has absolutely nothing to do with a persons naivety, or likely hood of them seeing through the dream to the scam. Anybody can get suckered if they just view whats on the surface. Youre smarter than this argument.
Also, I'll repeat myself.
"So at what level within Quixtar does one have to achieve the break free from the time for money trap?"
ChrisA,
So you're telling me people who make their living at analyzing biz and who are successful in such can't tell Quixtar is a scam? Only ppl like you and df et al could tell it's a scam?
You're telling me that my neighbor who owned 3 gas stations grossing $11 mil annually and who just dropped $6 mil in buying another gas station is sooo stupid that he doesn't know where the real money is and that he got sucked into the hype. And exactly how did he get sucked into the hype? He haven't been to any of the functions. He haven't listened to any of the rally tapes except Private Franchising. He haven't met my uplines.
You break free when your income from ppl you tranfer your leadership skill to exceed your living expenses. It ain't at puny 6-platinum only Diamondship.
No Jen,
I'm telling you that I dont care what your job is, it doesnt make you any more or less susceptible to falling for Quixtar. Intellegence does NOT equal street smarts. Most people figure it out after a while, regardless of what they do for a living, thats why there is such a high turnover rate. As for your neighbor, yeah, he fell for hype, from YOU. Being the smart businessman he is, if he knew how it worked, or saw the lunacy that happens at functions, or saw the companies track record for success, I dont think he or anybody would have ever joined this sham. Unless of course the lure of making a lot of money drew them in regardless, why dont you tell us all why your neighbor joined. The point I was trying to make about the time for money trap is that no one is free from it. Certainly not anyone within Quixtar, those Diamonds has to keep that money train rolling. Very few people are actually free.
I forgot to mention something Jen,
I find it extremely amusing that you refer to a 6 platinum diamondship puny, when even that level of success is extremely hard to achieve within the almighty Q. So how hard is it then to become free from the time for money trap and a 6 platinum diamondship just wont cut it?
Well said ChrisA!
My point--if there were a collective of businessmen training one another to become doctors, that would be ludacris. However, in Jenbots screwy little world, it is perfectly acceptable for non-business types to educate themselves in the world of business.
I have serious doubts that anyone who ALREADY has a successful business (gas station, fitness center, etc.) joined up without doing real homework (examining ROI, financial statements, overall track record, etc)
If you don't do your homework, you have no one to blame but yourself.
My problem is that most of these robots are programmed to either a)deflect questions and/or b)provide wrong info. [verbally-so it can't be tracked back] to lure people in.
I mean, come on, really -- if you were starting a legit business, would you just randomly 'interview' people that are hanging out at a mall???
The whole thing stinks. Jenbot knows this. But she needs to keep the hype alive so she can make money off the hype (i.e. getting a cut of the tools $$$). That is the only reason she is defending her actions.
ChrisA:
One more thing--Jenbot never stated an actual income level at which she would retire. She speaks in levels -- Diamond, platnum, etc.
No real business operates in such a manner. It operates in terms of profit/loss.
Jen lacks financial data -- she has no plan as to when she'll retire. Therefore, she won't retire. She has to keep pushing her downline up--that way she makes more $$$ off tools.
100 posts--sweet.
"I'm living on the edge, Jerry!"
Jennifer,
Agtain, thank you for the clarification of the 10-10-10.
As for the rest, I am not df, I am not trolling, and I genuinely believe that a person can choose to accept a scam if they are entrenched in it long enough.
Yes, Orrin Woodward took ten years to become Diamond under Yager.... basically he had the money (from being an engineer) to afford to stay in the system long enough to have enough people join (and quit) behind him that he would get cut into the tools and such. At which point he went from buying tools, to getting paid for selling tools, to producing his own.
As usual, I am insulted first...
Roger
Jennifer said:
You break free when your income from ppl you tranfer your leadership skill to exceed your living expenses. It ain't at puny 6-platinum only Diamondship.
and I said...
Funny, Yager (and now Woodward and many others) sure seem to push the Diamond level as equal to "freedom" and "success".... We were repeatedly told that "Diamond" = "Millionaire".
Roger
"Funny, Yager (and now Woodward and many others) sure seem to push the Diamond level as equal to "freedom" and "success".... We were repeatedly told that "Diamond" = "Millionaire"."
First off, I ain't AMO. You're financially secured when your non-active income is greater than your expense. It could be $10k/year if your house is paid off and you're frugal. It could be $10 billion/year if you're trying to live like a rock star.
Second, an average person in America is a millionaire. Well, more precisely, over the course of his life, he'll make a million or ten.
Now, if you want to listen to AMO and wanna be a playa, living the life of the rich and free, more power to you.
My message and strategy for achieving financial security is pretty simple--make extra income, pay off your debt, build a 6-month cash reserve, and increase your lifestyle only after your means had increased 5 years earlier. I will help you make extra income. In the first couple of months, let me do most of the work so you don't incur any expenses. Only after you have extra income should you consider spending on expanding your biz. It's real simple, if I can't help you net money in the first 3 money, why in the world would you continue to listen to me? If I did help you net money and show you how to expand within that (read, always remains profitable), why would you not continue to listen to me?
More f-d up thinking from Jenbot:
"Second, an average person in America is a millionaire. Well, more precisely, over the course of his life, he'll make a million or ten."
HAVING a million NOW and making a million over the course of 30-40 years are entirely 2 different things.
How can you not differentiate the two?
Want more contradictions, check it out!
"My message and strategy for achieving financial security is pretty simple--make extra income, pay off your debt, build a 6-month cash reserve, and increase your lifestyle...Only after you have extra income should you consider spending on expanding your biz"
WAIT! I thought the idea was to use the income to pay off debt, not re-invest it in the biz. Reinvesting would be taking on ADDITIONAL DEBT.
If you really want to be free, live within your means and invest wisely. If you can't live within your means, take on another job (an honest job, not amscam) and pay off your debt.
There are a zillion money mags out there that teach debt managment and wise investing. Put down your tapes and pick up a magazine!
Just look out for Ambots at the magazine rack of your local bookstore! ;)
I went to my first Quixtar meeting last week. I've signed up to become an IBO. I'm still conducting my investigative research on the company.
I've paid the $250 to become an IBO. People, I am confused. I've compiled my list of friends to "call" about this opportunity. But the "drive" needed to convince them, really isn't there.
I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. I will start a new job at the end of the month. By no means am I lazy (MBA), but I am seriously lacking any type of motivation to pursue this venture. Is there ANYONE out there who can convince me that this is a wonderful opportunity, based on their own personal experiences? Are there ANY emeralds, rubies, gold, diamonds, etc. who can share their success story with me, to convince me that the time and effort that I will need to invest, will be worthwhile? My personal observation of Quixtar, is that I have to "nag" folks to become IBO's. But don't I need to be able to sell the product before I can sell the IBO idea? Or am I thinking backwards? Can't you all tell that I'm CONFUSED? Thanks folks.
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The closest thing I've had to this XS recipe is Jagerbombs(Jag & Redbull), they are pretty good. This combination makes me a little weary though, I dont think there will be a middle of the road on this one, either its going to be surprisingly good, or absolutely horrendous.
Posted by: ChrisA | February 16, 2005 8:34 PM