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January 11, 2005
The Unraveling
By QBlog in
And so it begins!
Joe and Lynn Land run Alliance Net Solutions (ANS) which is a Quixtar Line of Affiliation otherwise known as a "tool business." It's a small tool business compared to others like WWDB, BWW, InterNET Services and Team but it's a tool business nonetheless. I recently reported that the Lands are actively involved in a Multi-Level Marketing business called Oasis Life Sciences and I speculated that their involvement would force Quixtar to enforce the infamous Rule 6.5. Well, according to some information I received from an anonymous site visitor (which was corroborated by others in Land's downline), Quixtar has acted to remove Joe and Lynn Land from Quixtar.
That's right folks. Members of Land's downline received the following letter:
This letter is being sent to inform you of recent developments that will impact your Quixtar-affiliated Independent Business. Normally, rules actions by the Corporation with specific IBOs are kept confidential, but the rules permit the exception when the results affect other IBOs.
Regrettably, the Corporation was put in the position of having to enforce rules with Joseph and Lynn Land. Apprised of rule violations, they resigned their business.
After receiving complaints and conducting an investigation, Quixtar determined that Joseph and Lynn Land were in violation of the following rules, due to involvement in a competing business, Oasis Life Sciences: Rules 4.14, 4.27, and 6.5. These rules are included here for your reference:
[editor's note: I removed the referenced rules because you can look them up and read them on another post.]
Please note that IBOs whose affiliation with Quixtar has ceased may not promote another business, such as Oasis, to existing IBOs, affiliated with Quixtar, for two years. In fact, under Quixtar's rules, their involvement in Oasis at all exposes them to possible immediate injunctive and legal action.
The above mentioned business now reflects a name change, indicating ownership has been taken over by Quixtar. Quixtar will assume the responsibilities of Platinum in the short-term, so if you have any questions for which you would normally call your Platinum, please call Jane Bruggink in Quixtar Sales at (616) 787-4233.
Gary VanderVen
Director, Global Business Conduct & Rules
cc: Bubba and Sandy Pratt
I have also received reports that Stephen and Wendy Weil (Sapphires in Land's downline) had their Quixtar business terminated. This action comes on the heels of the big "revamping" of Land's tool business to try to "do the right thing." I guess Quixtar is serious about that Rule 6.5 thing after all. I knew they'd take their own rules seriously.
So, what does this all mean? Well, my first thought when I "heard" this was "is Joe Land INSANE!?!" Joe Land is was a Quixtar Diamond and he's going to give all that up, leave his downline (because according to Rule 6.5 he can't take them with him) and start selling anti-aging pills? Holy Crap! Wonder what Orrin Woodward thinks about all this?
Anyway, if you have any info about this new development, please email me. Thanks. And I'll end with one little question. How many members of Land's downline do you think are going to suddenly adopt a somewhat negative perception of Quixtar after this latest turn of events?
Comments
I can't imagine that Joe's Quixtar downline was completely ignorant of his "other life". There's no way he could have completely hid it, and I see very little chance that there isn't cross over as far as lines of sponsorship between the two organizations.
I always have to laugh when I hear of things like this (not being insensitive to Joe's downline) because one of the big sayings in the business is "what you do to your upline, your downline will do to you".
And didn't Amway start because Rich and Jay pulled THEIR GROUP away from Nutrilite and started their OWN multilevel?
I guess Quixtar proves a Diamond income ain't that great.You know Joe did not give up a fortune and did not have nothing to lose by doing this.
Remember the first rule of the QMO business... if you want to be successful, do what successful people do. So I guess all the people who "edified" Joe Land (proper use would have been deified) and "did what he did" in hopes of becoming a diamond should do what he did here too?
Guess only a "broke loser" would leave Quixtar...right? How long before the other LOS start to badmouth him? About how his "other interests" destroyed his Quixtar line? How he really "wasn't a Diamond"? Are they gonna stop using his tapes made from when he spoke? Hmmmmm?
With the revamping of the Land tools business, where people aren't investing as much as other lines of sponsorship, my theory is that a bunch of other kingpins put pressure on the big Q to yank out the carpet.
Think about it. Would that not just drive the other diamonds into hissy fits when here is a line of sponsorship NOT selling tools left right and center?
Would other lines not think that being able to get free downloadable information would hurt their tool sales? Would that not make other diamonds have to answer some tough questions from their downline?
Obviously, Q decided to enforce their rules, but why would they not enforce their rules on the distributors who flagrantly violate the rules of conduct when moving tools, and making MUCH more than by selling product?
Q is making a statement here, and I think that the statement was for the benefit of the kingpins, not the average IBO.
Make motivation cost effective will you? Well, you're gone!
Based on my research, (I'm no attorney!!!), I don't think the non-compete rules are enforcable. It will be interesting to see if Quixtar takes legal action against the Lands over this. If Quixtar doesn't take legal action, what good are the rules? They are simply scare tactics to keep the IBO's in check.
Rocket, I agree with you here. He WAS becomming a threat to the other kingpins.
I heard WWG has also cheaper tools? $2.5 / tape? Lets see what happens to them? Lets keep an eye on WWG diamonds.
But the lower/free pricepoint in the Land pyramid can still be used by the Land group right?
So, by forcing Land out, Q still doesn't eliminate the downward price pressure applied to the tools.
Or do they.........?
I guess that will depend who Quixtar gives control of it to after they cease to be acting Platinums.
Let's start the bidding at...............
AAhhhh the plop, not plot, thickens.
Even though I am 100% pro IBO, I have to agree with one point. How can Quixtar really enforce a 6 month sit out rule? I would think there would be a huge case if that was really enforceable. I mean how can someone deny you of an income? The last time I checked, we are still a free country and a free enterprize system, at least thats what we are tought at the functions. I guess that leaves a spot open for the p0rn biz since P0RN is non competing. He he he.
Joe isn't insane, he just didn't have anything to lose. As a former member of his downline, the following appeared to be true (my opinion based on my own observations during my time in the business). Joe never requalified as Diamond. Only two of his original 6 platinums ever requalified at the platinum level or above. At least two, possibly three, of the original platinums are completely inactive. Joe never had a leg outside of the original 6 reach the level of platinum.
All of this left him with a small group that required constant supervision to keep the die-hards on board and replace the people who left the business. With no new business being generated, and his every move being criticized on the internet, it became obvious that the effort was for nothing, so why not try something new with a lesser known MLM.
As far as those in his downline, most will follow with the belief that Joe knows best.
Non-compete clauses in contracts are actually pretty common. If I own a business and someone buys it, chances are there will be a non-compete clause, usually for two years. The reason is the purchaser does not want to face competition from the person he just bought the business from as clients could choose to do business with the owner of the original business, and not the original business. Non-competes usually stand up in court too.
Of course, with Land originally signed up with Quixtar, there was no non-compete clause. I guess technically, when someone signs up to renew their IBOship every year, they are signing a new contract, but when terms of a deal change this significantly, it could make for an interesting court case, if Land ever wants to sue.
"it could make for an interesting court case, if Land ever wants to sue."
Ahhh, but you forget . . . this will never see the light of a courtroom. It will be decided in arbitration. And Quixtar will be doing the suing. And the arbitrator will be one of the so-called neutrals - hand-picked and "trained" by Jody Victor.
And Joe Land WILL lose.
LawDawg, more and more I'm beginning to believe you actually know a lot less about law than you give yourself credit, and that mouth of yours on the front of your face is - in fact - just another rectal point.
Ah dwighty, you are the one who right iBlogo?
Dwighty, more and more I am coming to realize that you are a just a talking phallus.
Care to elaborate on what you believe I am wrong about?
Dwighty, I had, up until now actually respected your viewpoint. I have read through you Blog before and found it very to the point and somewhat refreshing.
Then you go and make personal attacks on someone without validating why he's wrong, and calling him names, unprovoked as far as I can tell.
Classy Guy. Business not working out for you or what?
Sounds like someone isn't doing too well in the biz...uhoh........
What happened Dwighty, did you miss the invite to the PV Party or function tailgate?!?
I think the only rectal point here is the one from which your verbal diarreha spews.
So can it already, you're stinking up the joint! Take your pity party elsewhere!
I guess as long as other MLM companies come out with stronger products and stronger compensation plans and as long as the old guard keeps forcing its hold the world to minimize change....
Is this the begining of the end of the Roman empire??
Hmmm. So a Diamond chose, "Anti-Aging pills" over Amway. Imagine that. But I thought Ageless Xtra was a liquid.
There must be a reason that a Diamond would make such a move. Makes ya wonder. Don't it?
Have you investigated those "Anti-aging pills"? Or do you have too much soap in your eyes?
With over a billion dollars of experience in the industry I have to say congratulations to Joe Land for being honest enough to admit that Oasis Lifesciences has the strongest financial, scientific, and corporate leadership foundation in the industry. The fact is that Oasis has the most duplicatable system I have seen in 20 years in the industry.
If you want to know if Joe 'did the right thing' (as was referenced in the above article), they did. Oasis is built around doing the right thing. It makes me laugh to see people aruging over the success that good people like the Lands have had.
If any company wants to succeed, they will follow the example of Oasis and the Land's in 'doing the right thing'. And if you have a problem with it - research it, instead of blasting out inane blurbs of piddle pabble. And also, when doing your research, you'd have noticed that these "pills" are both a pill and a liquid. But then again, only someone who knows what they're talking about would know that.
I hope your business goes better for you, than it has. You must be a sad person.
Joe and Lynn Land were and are wonderful People. I am one of Joe's old downlines and eventhough we didn't follow him to his newest endevor we learned a lot about business, attitude, and professionalism. Well worth the cost of tools, books and tapes. I still read and listen to this material. I've been in the business since 1/2001 and we have made a bonus check every month since - 68 months. not a mint, but it's better than sittin on my butt doing nothing, watching TV and spouting off like I know everything, and telling evryone that MLMs are worthless. Well, they're not worthless. Gladly still doing it!
My grandad moved to the US from pre-communist Russia. He used to tell us about the "Russian Hitch" they used to pull their sleighs. It was a three horse hitch designed to allow cutting the third horse loose to divert the wolves in the forest, so that the sleigh and he other two horses could get away.
Sounds like Joe Land was the third horse
Posted by: George | January 11, 2005 8:01 AM