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December 2, 2004
AllianceNet Makes Changes
By QBlog in
According to iBlogO, Joe Land's Quixtar Tool Business (AllianceNet) is making some major changes.
There are really three significant changes to the AllianceNet tool business.
- They've eliminated any payout on the system. I have no ideas what this means except to say that previously there was a payout and now there isn't one. Are the people who formerly got the payout going to be out in the cold? No idea. Not even sure about the whole payout thing.
- No more CDs and tapes, unless you want them. All that motivational stuff will be available on the Web site. You can burn a CD if you like.
- Book of the Month is gone. You want a book, buy it from a bookstore instead of your upline.
I think that's cool that Joe Land's tool business is embracing the Web. The main message I get from this is that Land understands that the old way of selling and distributing tapes and books is just outdated. There are now better, more efficient methods of getting motivational stuff to his Quixtar downline. What I'm waiting for is other Tool Businesses to follow suit. How can one group justify the old method when Land's group is doing this new method? The answer: they can't.
So good job Joe Land. I just wish more details were available (like explaining the payout thing) but it's definitely progress.
Comments
It should be offered free as a sales tool. Isn't Joe already making money off products? Isn't what his system teaches?
This new system is nothing more than a money making scheme for Land. What a great deal. Be looked upon by thousands of people as a great leader, when the reality is 95% or more of your followers are outright failing due to your "proven system".
please welcome new blogger, Joe Land
http://www.joeandlynnland.com
Uh... Welcome Joe Land. Gee. Don't work too hard updating your blog or anything. Looks like a real winner there. One post dated Nov. 21 and this is... uh... Dec. 2. Oh, and only one post. That's it. Brilliant. Where do I sign up?
So if they've eliminated the payout from the system..........how do they make any money?
Moving product? (snicker)
No more CDs and tapes, unless you want them? Wasn't that the deal to begin with?
Whatever. Nice Blog by the way. Obviously its a diamond, because anyone whose Blog is maintained that well is.......
a perfect tool.
So it looks like JL is the canary in the coal mine -- if he fails without profiting from tools, the whole Q system has to come under (even greater) scrutiny. If he succeeds than even I have to re-examine the system....
Congrats to Joe Land!!
Obviously he is still making money from the tool system, but the idea is progress. I imagine it will lower the cost for all IBO's venturing to get some training.
Free training to everyone as some suggested? Come on people! This is a business to business transaction....not an employer to employee benefit.
Really? Business to business transaction? Than how come other mlm offer it for free?
Also: if b2b transaction, then this system must deliver what it promises. How many diamonds of Quixtar only? One those signed up in Quixtar, NOT in amway. Looks like they're charging for a product that NEVER delivered. 6-4-2 Silver any one? the one who didn't buy volume?
Another thing this system sells: security. That is funny! 360K active IBOs in 1977, 340k even less now in 2004. So how all these new diamonds come from? Uh right, the old one got bamboozled and fell from qualifications. Oh wait, many got terminated as well. Some even resigned.
http://www.amquix.info/amway_exdiamonds.html
MO,
The system should deliver what it promises. But what does the system really promise?
a) Through books, you can better yourself in time management, selling techniques, etc...if you apply those strategies and develop them.
(No guarantee of diamond, however...Land is suggesting to buy from the local bookstore)
b) A website that you can bring prospects to. What does this promise? That you can have a professional web presence and a place that you can send prospects to.
(No promise of diamond)
c) Downloadable info within the site that CAN (or might) help you develop a more profitable business.
There is never a guarantee for success and business owners need to recognize that the key is themselves, not some "system"
A system promises training that can be used to make you a better salesperson, etc. That is what you are purchasing.
Questions:
Does the system offer these items? (I would say, yes)
Even the bloody tapes suggest that the system is no guarantee of success. where are you going with all of this, or are you blinded by the fact that kingpins have taken money from people who have not applied their knowledge and built businesses, only to be thousands of dollars in debt?
I support the move to a cheaper business, although, personally, I think they have a long way to go. And, yes, if you are producing this material, you have a right to seek out a profit on an open market.
You would probably agree with me, though, that what bothers me the most is:
a) Overpromising on a flawed system
b) Overpromoting a "great" "optional" system to make profits from it.
If that's the case, I would love to see a destruction of the tapes business. However, I think you need to look at the issue more objectively.
Maybe we agree, maybe not.
What is 'system'? Just mere CD made of plastic and collection of tools? Or the whole mentors + AQMOs hoopla? I think, and heard by the same ‘system’....2nd one. System promisses, very often and very loud, freedom. I don't know which system u r talking about that does not say that?
Just promoting a book is not bad. What is questionable y only 'upline' recommended books? I can do it all day. Point is, since the launch of Quixtar, nobody listened to kingpin? Not a single diamond?
System says ...too many times, it’s very easy to go diamond 2-5 years. The copywrite statement on tapes is as BS as health ministry warning on Cigarettes.
I'm not blinded by the fact that some one makes money. I'm baffled actually that ppl are lured to waste money on something which don't produce results. They become better sales person? So why there sales are same even less than 90s? why there numbers is same as seventies?
I didn't read books / tapes to become a better person. I read them to reach financial success via Quixtar, which I didn't. I can and still read books. Point of system is not to make you a better person; else truck loads of lawsuits might be less? May I need to past IBO Hall of shame? May be I do:
http://amquix.info/amway_hall_of_shame.html
Funny, these ppl have read so much self improvement thing, they should be better off than an average broke loser. No?
Well they are few mlms that want to make $$ of the tools that are helping their distributor selling "their" products.
I have been there, done that. Seen it firsthand. OR may be I am so blinded and need to be more objective? but one thing I do know, I am not the only one.
MO,
Thanks for the commentary. You seem like a very passionate and intelligent guy. I'm with you. I agree with you. I'm not a fan of the "system" nor do I like the fact that it bleeds people dry, financially. The purchased system can make you a better person, whether that's the intention of it or not.
We both know why the system, as is, is in place...it's to make the kingpins wealthy.
We both know that the only way to make money in this business is to sponsor people, retail, buy from yourself, and encourage the downline to do the same.
I just think you are taking too hard of a stance on the tools biz. Personally, I think it's entirely over rated. However, you cannot deny the fact that anyone in this business would be better off reading certain books and applying their principles. You cannot deny the fact that some of the knowledge passed on by speakers is of some value. I don't think you deny that having a website relating to the business is valuable.
I think you have an issue with the feeding to people the notion that the system is "the answer", and that reading another Hedges or Fuhrman book will make you financially free in 2-5 years. (I hated when they used to promote the system as the only answer to your business)
But to knock it as useless would be wrong. At the same time, to not reward a speaker who has worked hard to put together a talk that may benefit people is also wrong....hence the need to let him earn income off of that effort...if the consumer (the business owner) deems it valuable to the growth of his/her business.
By the way, how much did you lose in your days as an IBO? I lost enough to feel the sting!
No, I aint got no passion and I'm no intelligent than your average Joe. Maybe less. Hey I was an IBO :-) I just call spade a spade. But rest I agree ;-)
I never said system is evil. It works....for the ppl who teach it. Its not working student as well as it should. If tapes say dress well and think positive, it's a good advice. If a book says magic of thinking big, not bad either. I still read some of those books. They are not written by Quixtar ppl btw. But if too many ppl end up 'stung' then there is a problem and some thing need to be done. It seems impossible to con some one that easy but with help of lies and deception they do that. And lawsuits to anyone who dare speak up.
Guns are not evil, are they?
I lost 10k / year Aug 2002 - June 2003
Downline lost 5k in total.
Yeah I learned something like how to break ice with strangers etc. and other tips and tricks.
10K is too expensive for that teaching.
Ice is not bad either. Useful in may things right? What if I sell you ice for $1000 convincing it's for your own good.
I think we both are saying same thing. I have a problem with prices and hence I don't think products are worth it. You are saying products might be helpful and are pretty good but the way they are promoted is not good. Yup!
I don't have a problem with speaker getting paid. I pay $20 for movies knowing very well how actors are get paid. But if speaker keep telling me to come to next meeting to make money without disclosing where the majority of his income came from......deceptive.
I’m quite curious to see the site that shows the plan online. Finally! Open and Seminars are amish. Make it on web.
I don't think we can say that this is "definitely progress". Offer less, "eliminate the payout", and still charge a bunch of money for something that could be offered for free. (Lots of companies and teams within companies in the MLM industry offer this stuff for free)
Posted by: MLMBlog | December 2, 2004 10:57 AM