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November 3, 2004
Quixtar Admits Google Bombing
By QBlog in Web Initiative
Quixtar is waging an aggressive Google Bombing campaign in an attempt to manipulate search engine results. The primary component of the "Quixtar Web Initiative" is specifically designed to exploit blogs in an unprecedented manner. Unlike businesses that utilize a few blogs to communicate with employees, associates and customers (NY Times and Search Engine Guide), Quixtar has hired "geekoids" to manufacture hundreds of blogs designed to confuse (rather than inform) information seekers.
And while most businesses would try to distance themselves from such spam-like activity, the Quixtar Leadership boasts about its Google Bombing efforts. I received the following message from an IBO who recently attended a Free Enterprise Day rally where Greg Duncan was one of the featured speakers.
A significant part of Greg Duncan's talk to the entire crowd at this FED was about Google bombing! I didn't record his talk, but here's the gist:Yes, I believe it is embarrassing. Why would a "billion dollar company" want to confuse instead of inform? Why would a "billion dollar company" behave like a couple of mischievous Web hooligans? Why doesn't Quixtar build a phenomenally dynamic and informative Web site that is so compelling and engaging that people will naturally look to it as "The Source" for quality information? QuixtarFacts.com and QuixtarResponse.com seemed like a good start but they simply stalled and are now nothing more than static reference sites.Greg said that "since our Diamonds, Emeralds, and Platinums are out there busy showing the plan, building our businesses and raising our families, we don't have time to spend on our own websites promoting all the great things that are happening in Quixtar. Therefore, when a prospect or new person 'Googles' Quixtar, they get a list of negative websites put together by 'geekoid' (yes, that was his word) losers who quit and who have nothing better to do than spend 5 hours a night writing negative stuff about Quixtar.
"So, we (he didn't specify "we," but now we know he had a part, I would assume that "we" is the IBOAI board) now have hired our own geekoids who are spending their time Google bombing (yes, he said "Google Bombing") positive info about Quixtar so that the negative sites will be buried way down at the bottom of the Google list when a prospect types in 'Quixtar.' Nobody will even be able to find the negative sites anymore."
(Giant eruption of applause and happy shouting throughout the coliseum followed this announcement. Of course 95% of the people in the room probably had no idea what he was talking about except that Greg Duncan was saving them from the "negative" on the internet!)
So, there it is, a public admission of what we reading Quixtar Blog already knew. So amazing that he was proud to be filling up the internet with bogus sites that have no real information. Doesn't he know it's embarrassing?
If the Quixtar Leadership were smart about their approach to the Web, they'd develop an enormous and robust online community that's honest, candid and informative. They'd work to engage everyone, not confuse information seekers. But the Quixtar leadership doesn't seem to think like a "billion dollar company," at least where the Web is concerned. They still have a lot to learn.
Comments
So it means Qrush is a hired gun? D'oh! 2 + 2 = 4.
Confusion makes them their money..... informing does not.
Surprisingly Quixtar and its Motiv. Orgs have started to thrive on so called negatives and Bathroom Graffiti.
These are the same guys who used to term internet , media and news as Bathroom Graffiti and paradise for people who thrive on negatives.
I had noticed this in following blog update also where I noted incredibaly high no. of resonses from BWW Indian ibos and their leaders including leaders like Kumar humming about their Hummers and Mercedes.
http://narrator.blogspot.com/2004/06/no-selling-involved.html
Hey Bill Britt !! Looks like your downline is not following your teachings....
TOD IBO's have been told to create fake user names and ID's and comment back and forth with positive statements on the various blogs discussing quixtar and MLM's.
QBlog wrote: "Quixtar Admits Google Bombing...Quixtar is waging an aggressive Google Bombing campaign in an attempt to manipulate search engine results..."
> FACT: Quixtar has NEVER admitted to google bombing.
I thought you were better than this QBlog. You have taken heresay information and turned it into twisted statements you make seem factual.
This IBO heard Greg Duncan admit that he was doing this type of marketing. When Greg says "we", that could mean him and his wife, or him and his emeralds, platinums, etc. There was absolutely no reference to Quixtar admitting to anything or being behind this at all in this email you posted.
And remember, this IBO was simply repeating what he heard, so the chances of that being 100% accurate are not that high.
So, the idea of posting his email and getting this information out is a good one, but I am dissapointed in the way you presented it. It is misleading and non-factual for your readers. This is something you would not approve of if it were done by an IBO.
I think the correct action for a decent blogger like yourself would be to update this post with corrections. Or maybe I am being mislead about what your real motives are here at this blog
So you're saying I shouldn't trust information I get from IBOs. Ok. I understand.
I can corroborate the ibo statement, though I wouldn't go as far as to speculate who "we" are.
If I don't believe in the "system", why do I still pay money for the "system"--sue me for having an unhealthy fascination with actively watching possible subvertion :P
QBlog, being funny doesn't fix the post.
Make up your mind on whether you trust IBO information or not. It seems to me that you trust it if it is negative, but not if it is positive.
You still haven't fixed your post which is misleading and false. The email was probably real and is totally cool to be posted, but your comments surrounding the email are not factual, yet you make claims as if they are.
Or don't fix the post, and let readers know that you don't practice what you preach.
Just this last week you wrote a post about how IBO's should back up claims they make, but here you are making claims without backing them up. This email is your proof and it does not back up your claims.
I actually like your blog, and get good perspective from it, although I disagree with much of it. I even think you are a great blogger. Which is why I am surprised you would post this way.
If you update the post then it fixes the problem and let the comments run wild. Isn't this the fair way to handle this?
Maybe he should have put it as:
"Members of a pernicious, money-grubbing cult, powered by, but in no way connected with, Quixtar, have admitted to ‘Google Bombing’ in a thinly veiled attempt to prevent dissenting opinions, powered by Facts, from stealing everyone else’s dream.
Whereas I am expected to provide 'unimpeachable’ sources, I am in no way implying that others who do not are hypocrites.”
I was recently contacted by an IBO where I work. He invited to attend one of their meeting held by a company called BWW.
I've spend almost a week trying ti figure out if this Quixtar businnes thing is not just another scam. By google searching, i came accros you'all chat room.
Could someone out there tell me if this thing is worth te time and money invested into it.
Are these just a bunch of guys taking advantage of people struggling to make it day after day, or is it something that could pay in the futur.
Well Max, if you were going to start up a business, let's say a restaurant, then would you want to get advice from people who were successful in the restaurant business or those who were negative of it?
That's the question you have to ask yourself.
The majority of people that comment on this site are negative of this business model, so they would tell you how it won't work. So it is up to you where you take your advice from.
I have a Quixtar-Powered business and I am doing great and having success. I would recommend this busines opportunity to you if you feel that there is something that you want in your life that you can't get doing what you are currently doing, and you feel that Quixtar might be a solution for you.
If not, don't worry about it. With over 35,000 people registering each month, Quixtar is not desperate for people to register, but you might be a great addition to the organization you register with.
My adive: Don't just listen to the critics on here. I would make sure that you ask and discuss any issues with the person you would be registering with. They thought that you would make a good business partner, and they are likely willing to invest time, money, energy, and their resources to help you succeed.
35,000 ppl registering, many of which will do nothing and half of them won't even renew next year, Chris, please. Full facts are full facts, half facts are half facts.
# of IBOs in North America: 360k, 1977
# of IBOs in North America + Canada: 340k, 2004
So why it's not expanding?
Same goes with sales. Amway alone HAD more sales than Q + Amway combined.
Chris, great suggestion about taking advice. How about taking advice from ppl who have nothing to gain from the decision? If I were to sell some stuff to a person, I'm NOT a neutral source.
I know you are not going to benefit from MAX, he'll be ur crossline. You are suggesting what is your experience, but I can't help holding back knowing I and many many ppl lost time, money and friendships in Quixtar.
MAX, I invite you to come to the forum. We have pro members here and other blogs. It never hurts to do some research. Educated decision, what ever may be is good.
Max,
Do research. Ask lots of questions. Demand proof. Ask more questions. Get independent, third-party input from someone you trust. Have your lawyer review the Business Compendium and the BSMAA before you sign it. Then ask more questions. Don't stop asking questions until:
a.) They've been answered to your satisfaction
or
b.) They are continuously avoided and deflected at which point you may want to move on.
That's pretty much the advice I give everyone. If, after you do your duty, you still believe Quixtar (and BWW) is for you, then go for it and do your best.
The Restaurant analogy is flawed... The way TEAM (and other LOS') are designed for their BSM business. It is more like the IBO is the restaurant owner...and the person "teaching" them is the guy who sells tablecloths, menus, food, utensils, and such to the restaurant owner.
It is not a franchise. Stop making Ray Kroc spin in his grave!
if it was a "franchise" use, you'd get the right to use the name (which everyone hides behind diff names instead) and you would do what the other person's business did.
You franchise a "McDondalds" restaurant and you open doors to sell burgers etc. You don't "franchise" from them to "franchise" it to the next person.
Roger, the restaurant analogy was fine. Was that bad advice for someone who was thinking about starting up a restaurant? Sometimes perspective like that can really help someone.
If we were using your philosophy, it would be more correct to say that if the restaurant owner was the IBO, then the person teaching them would be someone who had become very successful with their own restaurant, and has developed a training system that helps teach people how to start up their own successful restaurant.
If I were starting up a restaurant, I would definitely be interested in this training system to help me, more than the opinions of those who failed or quit. I will admit that getting opinions never hurts, but I would rather learn from the one who is successful in that business rather than those who failed, quit, or never even tried.
QBlog, did you have your lawyer review the Google Adsense documentation before registering with them? Your advice is not bad advice, but is it totally necessary to have a lawyer review that document before you get your business started? I registered a lawyer in my organization who has read and signed that document and had no problem with it. Neither did I.
Max, if you are reading this, I hope that you get both perspectives of the business and not just these negative criticisms you will find on here. They might talk you out of what could be a great opportunity for you to achieve your dreams/goals and improve your lifestyle.
If you do decide to start up your business, I would suggest taking it serious and proving these critics wrong! :)
Max:
These guys are out for your $$$.
Ask your IBO friend if he can tell your boss about what is going on. I doubt your pal will have the nerve to do so.
That right there should tell you something.
There is no integrity in this system.
And, if dodges the issue and/or any of your questions, then (as QBLOG said) run away from that scammer.
Yes I did. Why don't you want a lawyer looking over the Quixtar material?
Max,
IBO's are not out for your $$$. In fact, the person registering you might easily invest more in your business than you would in the beginning. There hope is that you become successful, and they will receive a royalty down the line.
Ultimately if they can help you become very successful, then they won't be necessary in the day today affairs of your business and so they can help another business do this, and then another, with the chance to be financially free. You have that same opportunity. This is one of the major reasons I am excited about this business.
What DF is talking about is that there is profit from tapes/books/meetings etc. Of course there is profit! If they were losing money, then they wouldn't be available and you wouldn't have that vital training.
So usually at the Platinum level and above they have a profit sharing plan where you can participate. So down the line you will be able to profit share for additional income. This is a great benefit to you. The tools are usually very affordable, and early on with your business you will need to learn skills, and those tools may be very helpful to you.
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QBlog, how many bloggers do you think actually had a lawyer review their Google Adsense accounts? Usually people do not involve a lawyer in their businesses until they are generating significant income, and most people in general do not even have a lawyer!
I do not think your advice is bad, but I didn't have a lawyer review that form and I am doing just fine. I do have a lawyer that reviews documents from time to time, but I didn't feel the need for that form to be reviewed.
And please fix this post. It is misleading and hurts your credibility. I think this is a reasonable request because it makes you look like a hipocrate based on your post last week. My goal is not to insult you, but it is outright false and needs to be updated.
At least let readers know why you are not going to update it.
Interesting and long response Chris.
I wish your response was longer QBlog, because you didn't reply to my question or change the post. I am not sure what I am missing here, but I can't see why you won't update this post to be more accurate.
Accuracy is important isn't it. I'd like to you carefully explain the following statement:
"Usually people do not involve a lawyer in their businesses until they are generating significant income, and most people in general do not even have a lawyer!"
Thanks.
In regards to chris' restaurant analogy- of COURSE you also talk to the failed/negative restaurant owners- you learn from their mistakes, their attitudes, etc. In another organization, we call these "lessons learned"- negative outcomes (or even just perceived negative outcomes) are valuable learning tools... I have had many people swear they would never rent houses again because of the nightmare 'negative' stories they tell-but the stories belie the root causes of the failure, if one is willing to listen carefully enough. The 'negative' sites abound with valuable information which can prevent someone from making poorly thought out decisions, already made many times over. The potential "IBO" owes it to himself and his family to evaluate ALL the data, not just the positive....
Chris -
Have you ever owned a franchise? Of course not. You are simply parroting a collection of half-truths taught to you by your upline without any direct experience.
I have owned three franchises. MLM is nothing like franchising. Haven't you ever wondered why the morally-bankrupt MLM promoters can't actually claim that MLM distributorships ARE franchises? It is because they aren't - period.
Differences exist on every level.
Entry:
In contemplating the purchase of a franchise, one first considers the earning potential of the franchise's existing licencees. Though franchise systems do not make income guarentees, they do disclose a number of system performance metrics. Unit sales, and representitive unit profitabilty are common metrics disclosed during the consideration process.
Compare the above with MLM. No one in their right mind would purchase a licence for a system where a fraction of one percent of the stores posted gross sales that were 20x greater than the system average. Nor would anyone consider an ownership turnover rate of 50% per year to be a good thing.
Note that the franchise license fee itself adds equity to your business. Unless the system fails utterly (which happens, though rarely), you will typically recover at a minimum the license fee.
Product:
This is very, very simple: franchises sell systems in which the franchise licensees distribute products and services to consumers. Sponsoring-focused MLM sells the right to sponsor, with just enough product movement to avoid the authorities.
Franchise units sell goods and services, not more franchise units. Money is paid for things and efforts that add value to the enviroment of the end consumer. S-F MLM income is generated through the pyramid-like structure of a recruiting organization, that sells nothing but itself.
Training:
In a franchise, training is a major part of the benifit of buying into the franchise system. There is no question that you are paying for the training, and the franchise company derives revenue from the fee and royalties.
In S-F MLM? The training system IS the business. As product sales are not promoted by 'system' leadership or enforced by the 'supplier' (AmQuix), the bulk of the income is derived through the training system, and is only available to a tiny fraction of the people involved at the highest levels of the 'support organizations'. Just as bad is the fact that the 'system' leadership makes tremendous efforts to hide this aspect of the business from the rank-and-file distributors...
States and the FTC do not consider MLM distibutorships to be franchises, or even "franchise-like". Claiming that they are is at best disingenuous, and at worst is another example of the ethical lapses common in MLM recruiting.
There is an old saying that "you can polish a turd, but you'll still have a turd", and this applies here. A 99% failure rate is a 99% failure rate, no matter what kind of spin that you put on it.
The analogy of seeking information from someone who has done it is fine.
But the specific use in relation to this business is invalid for the reasons listed.
I stand by that statement.
No disrespect to you Chris, you are just another sayer of the whole "franchise" thing you were told.
Mike & Roger,
When did I ever start talking about franchises? Why are you putting things in my mouth and then saying that I am just repeating things my upline tells me?
I want you to do this. Do a ctrl+f search on this page to see who has talked about franchises. You will see that it is just you guys, not me.
I made a restaurant analogy, and that business could have been any type of business. I also made it clear that I was open to getting perspective from both sides, but that ultimately if I wanted to succeed in an industry, that I would want to talk to someone in that industry that has had success.
I think you would have a better argument to say that if I was looking at getting involved in a new industry that I had little information about, then it would be fair to see a good debate from both sides to see whether I would pursue a business in that industry.
But if I wanted to start up a carpet cleaning business, then I would want to talk to successful carpet cleaners. But that is just me.
I didn't even tell Max to do that or think that way, I simply asked it to him as a question:
"Well Max, if you were going to start up a business, let's say a restaurant, then would you want to get advice from people who were successful in the restaurant business or those who were negative of it?...That's the question you have to ask yourself."
I thought my advice was good and you guys jumped all over some franchise junk and how I just repeat everything my upline says. Or are you guys the ones on auto-pilot repeating what the critics say. Because I didn't even mention franchises.
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QBlog, you still haven't corrected this post. I had so much respect for you, and now I am seeing that you just don't care in being accurate. This really bums me out. I am not sure why you are choosing to be this way, but it is a big turn-off.
You want me to explain why most americans do not have a lawyer and don't have lawyers review every contract before they sign them, but honestly I don't know.
My guess would be that they can't afford a lawyer. I have a friend who is in a network marketing company called prepaid legal. This is where I learned that most americans do not have legal coverage. They have lots of statistics to back that up. Their goal is to give affordable legal coverage to every american. So maybe you would support that network marketing company. Who knows.
So please update this post to be more correct and less misleading and keep this blog real. I like what you have done and I cannot understand why you won't make the simple update. Are you afraid of admitting that you were wrong?
Again, an interesting response Chris. You just get more and more interesting.
You phrased your "lawyer" comments in the context of explaining why you didn't use a lawyer for Quixtar. This is not about what most people do or don't do, the issue was giving advice to someone who was contemplating joining Quixtar.
So are you now saying that having a lawyer review every aspect of the Quixtar Business Compendium as well as the BSMAA is important? If so, then I agree.
I said franchise, re-read my initial post. I didn't say you said it.
I moved to step two after the "restaurant" comment, which you can deny as you like, I am not putting words in your mouth...but the normal follow up to the restaurant analogy is the Kroc franchise example.
I stated the TEAM and LOS concept of using the Diamond to to teach you your business is using the restaurant supplier to teach you to run your restaurant,
So no, you did not get a chance to use the franchise example before I did. And yes you could have used any business, but you didn't... you used restaurant.
Good night Gracie.
Well Max, I think Chris could be right about this Quixtar thing.
There's no reason to look at the "Negative" aspects of a business. Just do everything that the "Leaders" tell you to do.
After all they make loads of money, so they obviously want you to make money too because they care about your money.. I mean you.
Just keep wandering aimlessly and spending money on the many fun seminars and meetings they have. There are at least 2 a week. Don't forget the fabulous "TOOLS" they have to help "BUILD" your business.
Sure it all costs money but quit looking at the negative side of things already! They want you to be successful!
Sure you won't have much time to do anything else in life other than this business if your a winner and go to all the required meetings. But hey, your going to be RICH someday.
Remember, you can always trust Rich people to help you get Rich. So keep giving them money and someday it has to pay off right?
Chris, might I offer a suggestion?
Really read over the Blog's history, look over some more posts that discuss Blogging and Google BOmbing and you might notice that QBlog is not really incorrect.
Quixtar, by it's own tactics and by posting links on it's website and promoting other Blogs, is truly attempting to shift the focus of its search engine to these sites, and thereby increase it's ranking and show on searches.
I also know from having lasted 10+ years in the business and a part of the WWDB organization which included Greg Duncan and Ron Puryear, that these sort of statements are very much a Greg Duncan type. My downline confirms the statement content.
Also, please understand that many people in the various organizations understand that the big pins really do have incredible clout with the Corporation. It is almost as if they control the purse strings of Q/A. Maybe you might differ, which is fine, but these statements truly represent the way and style that Greg Duncan has spoken over the years and he is exactly the one in WWDB that would bring such a statement forward. The reason is that in WWDB, Greg is known as the smart and intellectual leader. He is incredibly smooth and educated. Gives him a great intellect appeal to the masses.
That is just my small piece.
Now if you'll become a part of the forum and post there I would willingly discuss other concepts with you at length.
Cliff (aka - IBuyOnly) :-)
QBlog,
Why do you continue to avoid the direct question about updating this post to reflect a more accurate statement?
What are you afraid of?
You just keep answering back with..."interesting". What happened to your creativity? Maybe you are trying to leave it up just long enough to get crawled by the search engines before you change the title, who knows. But you have shown me that you just don't care about being accurate.
I must say that I have been fooled with this blog. I thought you were of much better character QBlog. Quixtar has never admitted to Google Bombing and you have no proof that they did. And when asked to update the post by a frequent reader and commenter you just avoid even addressing the situation.
Yes I agree with you that it would be wiser to have a lawyer review a document than to not have one. I never said your advice was bad advice. I was just adding to that by stating how unrealistic that is for the majority of americans.
Yes I think that the blogs that some IBO's have put together to get high rankings for Quixtar are just for marketing purposes with not much real content. They are getting better than when they just launched, but I won't even deny that there is possible Google Bombing going on. I have been very critical of the web initiative here on this blog.
My point is that it is not Quixtar that has admitted to this. It was a Diamond who has an independent business affiliated with Quixtar. When he says something that does not mean that Quixtar said it.
What do you have to gain by not updating the post? What do you have to lose by updating it? You have integrity to gain by updating it, and respect to lose by not updating it. I hope you can see what I mean. I have nothing to gain from your update, but it keeps my respect for this blog high.
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Cliff, I do not doubt that there is some form of Google Bombing going on, or that Greg Duncan said something like that from stage. But QBlog is claiming that Quixtar said it, and they didn't. So is asking him to clarify that for readers asking too much?
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NoDiamond, I would disagree with your sarcastic advice in your last comment. I never said to just get one perspective or one point of view. In fact, he is here getting points of view from this blog. I am for getting both sides of the story to help make an intelligent decision.
It is just that not everything you hear on these blogs from critics is true, and not everything that some LOS's say is true. But that doesn't automatically mean that Max's sponsor isn't building the business right and would sincerely help Max succeed.
I think my advice was very fair. If you actually read what I wrote you would see that as well.
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Roger, you wrote: "...you are just another sayer of the whole "franchise" thing you were told." and then you wrote another comment and said: "I said franchise, re-read my initial post. I didn't say you said it."
Yes you did.
I never had any intention of going into some Ray Kroc example. I don't even know what example you are talking about. I know that he started McDonalds and that is a very very successful franchise. But there was no need for that type of example in this conversation. I do not see how using it would have benefited my side of the debate.
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Max, if you are keeping up on this blog and still considering starting up your own business, I wish you the best for your success.
If you are like me, you might get frustrated from these critics responses, and heck, they might be frustrated with mine, but the business does work, and I am experiencing success.
People are happy in my organization and if you are willing to work hard, and smart and stay close to a mentor, I believe that you can make big things happen. :)
Chris
Your challenge to QBlog is silly. Look at the myriad of empty cross-linked blogs all over the Net and the long list of links to these various, vacuous blogs that ruined the Quixtar.com homepage. QUIXTAR IS GOOGLEBOMBING. Duncan just confirmed what was already INCREDIBLY OBVIOUS to anybody with even an ounce of objectivity.
And as far as documenting claims, you are the one that insists you don't have to document anything. To anyone who gives a moment's credence to your accusations against QBlog, I would suggest comparing QBlog's posts on this blog to your "comments" and see who is more willing to provide supporting evidence. Hint: it's not you, Chris.
What's even more interesting Chris is that you seem to think Google Bombing is an unsavory activity not befitting a reputable organization. You're ever so interesting. You agree with me, the IBO who sent the message and others who feel that Google Bombing is at best deceptive and at worst, Web spam.
What's also interesting is the moral authority issue:
- I have never Google Bombed
- Quixtar has Google Bombed
Back during the time Amway was Amway in North America, a similar attempt was used by Amway that used every Amway Country office on the internet as well as Personal Home Pages produced by Block and "somebody" company. These were approved Bio Pages of Amway Directs(at whatever level). The results were several pages of Amway Official Links in Google searches as well as "anti" sites.
This was even before I ever heard of the term "google bombing". I'm undecided as to whether I think the practice of establishing a dominance in search engine results is deceptive or not, but what I do object to is the LACK of SUBSTANCE on most of these Motivational Organization Blogs.
If your gonna blog and voice opinions at least do it with some real CONTENT, not just repeating links back and forth between the various blogs.
David Robinson: Couldn't agree you more. I think that's exactly QBlog is saying, write as many blogs as you want, but write. Write good compelling content who answers the questions. Engage people on discussion. Be open and willing to take questions. What are they hiding? They are DEFINITELY hiding something don't they? It's like putting dust under the carpet.
And David, you have a blog, with comments enabled :-) many critics write using their real name. Non system IBOs blog using their real name. System IBOs ??? Where are they?
Shouldn't it be the other way around, critics hiding and corp open and candid? Well depends who has to hide something and who hasn't.
So, QBlog....how do you feel about being called a "geekzoid" by Qrush the day after you posted this email?
I have some thoughts about it over on my blogging page.
http://tinyurl.com/6ahfa
Qrush is Qblog's bitch. Nothing more. His blog has sooooo many errors, I have stopped reading it. He'll keep yapping and yapping hiding in some sh*thole disabling comments, no proof, no nothing.
Ironic, critics should be hiding and pros should be vocal. Ok Qrush, I'm right here, be a man. Stand behind what you say and reveal yourself. Or keep yapping. Who cares? Any prospect who fell for your blog honestly deserve to loose money in ur dad's scam for being so dumb to believe you.
Even if I know jack about Quixtar, reading your site is enough to make me 'anti'.
Here is the confusion:
I agree with you critics that blogs should have content and make an attempt to be an actual blog. When QBlog first started writing about these blogs, I was very vocal about the same things you critics are saying now. So we are in agreement.
Lawblawg, I am also in agreement with you that it is obvious that there is a heavy linking strategy going on on many of the web initiative blogs, and this is probably considered Google Bombing. I am not positive but it likely could be.
I am also not in disagreement that Greg Duncan might have used those actual words. He may not have known what they meant exactly, but maybe he did. We don't know, but let's just assume he said them and that he is working on that type of campaign.
So that would mean that Greg Duncan as well as other blogs are using Google Bombing type tactics to improve their search engine ranking. This could be considered web spam, so again I agree with you.
Here is where I have the problem. You critics often label what IBO's and LOS's do as what Quixtar does. QBlog is intelligent and knows the difference, and I know you do to Lawblawg. I mean, QBlog is so picky about getting things accurate that he wrote a post talking about how the term "North America" is used improperly.
So QBlog is making false claims and he knows it, and this is right after he wrote a post about IBO's not backing up their claims. So he is a hypocrate. He wants IBO's to do something he is unwilling to do himself.
Look, here is the deal. I have been looking into starting up my own blog and have learned alot from QBog already. I thought that I knew QBlog well enough from dialogue to know that if I posted something blatently innacurate like this, that he would correct me, and an update would be in order.
He has updated posts in the past where he made a statement that was incorrect, and he has corrected me when I made mistakes, and I have admitted to them.
QBlog, your pride is too high on this one. You are losing respect with many readers. You are totally misleading them with the title of this post that says "Quixtar Admits Google Bombing" when they absolutely didn't.
The only person that has admitted to anything is an IBO by the name of Greg Duncan.
I wouldn't have been upset about an article that talked about Google Bombing and how the web initiative looks like they are doing it. I probably would have just agreed. But to flat out lie in the title and content of a post is just wrong. And you know it.
Have some integrity, and admit that you made a mistake in your post and update it. Keep the respect with the pro-quixtar fans that you have so that this blog can stay stimulating and continue to be the leader in Quixtar Blogs.
Chris,
Never, ever make assumptions about me unless you enjoy being wrong.
And again, I find your comments very interesting. You've become one of the most interesting anonymous commentors that I've come across in my years of blogging. Thank you for taking the time to comment here. I appreciate your contributions even when we disagree.
By the way, how much revenue did Quixtar generate last year?
QBlog wrote: "By the way, how much revenue did Quixtar generate last year?"
What is this question all about? I do not always understand your sarcasm. You already know the answer so I don't know why you are asking.
I still haven't see the update on this post or a response as to why you are not going to update it.
Qblog,
You know where I stand in all this...but I gotta agree with Chris. Looking over everything, it would seem that...
"Quixtar Motivational Group admits to Google bombing" or even
"WWDB Diamond admits to Google Bombing"
would be better titles.
Ask me if I think Quixtar knows they are doing it?? Yes, I've seen links from quixtar "product info" pages that link to the various Diamond so called "blogs". But that is a whole other matter. The IBOAI does what they want cause they can tell Quixtar "do it our way or we take the shell game somewhere else"... that's my opinion of it anyway.
This entire thing illustrates that my grandmother was right when she said, "You're known by the company you keep." If Quixtar weren't in bed with the AMO's this whole discussion would never have happened.
Answer the question, how much revenue did Quixtar generate last year?
Ok, I really don't care if Quixtar Google Bombs. In fact, if I were still in, I probably would be happy about it and want it to continue. I don't think it's a big revelation that Quixtar doesn't compete well with the facts, eventhough Dexter always says "If the dream is big enough, the facts don't count."
Chris, you know when Greg Duncan says "we" he is referring to himself and all the other KingPin IBO's out there. It may not be Quixtar sponsored, but it certainly has to be the IBOA board members who are doing it. One doesn't act like this without the others. Any IBO who has spent time with the "leaders" understands there is communications between the Kingpins.
So in truth, it may not be Quixtar Admits Google Bombing. Maybe it should be Quixtar Kingpins Admit Google Bombing.
So from reading over all the responses from the critics, it seems as though everyone agrees with me that Quixtar did not agree to Google Bombing.
We are all in agreement as well that there is Google Bombing like techniques being used in some of the web initiative marketing. Depending on the definition of Google Bombing of course.
So what it comes down to is that QBlog is twisting information he received in an obvious way, so I am questioning his motives. There are dozens of choices for titles of this post that would be more clear and would damage Quixtar just as much so I am just not sure what QBlog's goal is with this post.
QBlog, since you won't explain yourself, your credibility is dying here. Even an explanation as to why you wrote that would be helpful, but since you won't even go that far, it shows that you just don't care to be objective and fair. So now it seems like you have other priorities for your blog.
You keep asking me new questions instead of answering mine. This can go on forever, so why don't you just answer it yourself and make your point that you are obviously holding out on. Give the rest of these readers your insight on why you won't update this post.
It seems that way does it? Interesting. Very interesting. Yes, this could go on forever or until I close the comments on this post.
You can't answer my question so I'm afraid I can't answer yours. Whether you realize it or not, the two are dependent upon each other. But, don't answer, I don't care. I have a blog, you don't.
Wow, QBlog, I have seen your responses escalate into actually being rude. I never predicted that of you.
I am not even disagreeing with you here because you haven't given any of us readers your reason for not updating the post, so there is nothing to disagree with, yet you are giving me a hard time.
True, it is your blog, but treating your readers this way doesn't seem like Blogging 101 style. I have only seen a nice side from you until this post. a logical reasonable guy, but now I am sensing a motive that you are not willing to address or fix or even explain.
Every single question that I have been asked on here has either been answered or explained. You have responded to every comment I have left on this post, but every response failed to explain to your readers why you won't update the post to be more accurate.
I don't even disagree with you that Quixtar relies on volume generated from IBO's the same way that Cutco relies on the volume generated from it's distributors. But if one of Cutco's top distributors admitted to Google Bombing, that would not mean that Quixtar admitted to Google Bombing.
Or if you want better perspective, we can look at politics. George W. Bush has not admitted to working with the Swift Boat Vets for Truth in their ads, but we can look closely and see some connection with the republican party. And the obvious benefit it has.
So one can even assume that W. was in on it, but to title a post: "George W. Bush admits to being involved in Swift Boat Vets for Truth Ads" would be false.
Of course it is your blogger and you can say what you want, but you can also lose respect and credibility through your posts. Not saying that this one will do that, but I feel that I have been very reasonable in my involvement as a guest on this blog, and now I am being treated rude and a simple request isn't even being addressed.
So you win, leave up your misleading post without updating it, and continue to earn respect from readers like me and then toss it out the window with responses like the ones on this post.
Good Job QBlog. Keep up the good work. Maybe you can end up getting Quixtar shut down one day. Especially if you hire DF and Hartman as your campaign strategists.
Interesting, very interesting, interestingly interesting...very interesting...
Lawdawg wrote: "Your challenge to QBlog is silly. Look at the myriad of empty cross-linked blogs all over the Net and the long list of links to these various, vacuous blogs that ruined the Quixtar.com homepage. QUIXTAR IS GOOGLEBOMBING"
> Funny you say that when right on your the homepage of your blog you are participating in the same thing.
You are GoogleBombing anti-Quixtar sites so that they will show up number 1 when people type in Fred Hartheis.
Yes. This is fun. I interest you. You interest me. This is all so very interesting.
The facts. You have not explained your comments about lawyers.
You have not answered my question about how much revenue Quixtar generated.
You have not ended your habit of assuming.
Those are the facts and quite interesting and revealing ones at that.
According to Alticor.com,
"Quixtar, established in 1999, broke the billion-dollar mark in sales for the second straight year, reporting record sales of $1.1 billion."
Is that the revenue figure you needed?
Only if Chris approves of that number. ;o)
Chris,
I agreed that the title could be changed. I did not agree that Quixtar wasn't in on it with the IBOAI and the Diamonds. I am sure that they are, the IBOAI has the power now, they make the money for Quixtar.
I look at it like if some over-zealous volunteer poll wathcer starts eliminating voters left and right for no verifiable reason. You could not use that as a damnation of the RNC. BUT, if a leader of the RNC gets caught doing it....it's hard to say the RNC was doing it...but one can easily believe they were in on it.
Dont forget to tip your waitstaff!
Technically there hasn't been an announcement from Quixtar saying they are Google bombing, but for many, doesn't Greg Duncan represent not only his own IBOship but also Quixtar? He is, after all, a Quixtar distributor, and when he made the Google-bombing statement, he was acting as a high-level Quixtar IBO, talking to thousands of other Quixtar IBO's. Sure the statement didn't come directly from corporate, but Aliticor hasn't come out and stated anything to the contrary.
In addition, not only do we have Duncan's statement which has been corroborated by more then one witness, but we have all the web evidence of Quixtar's Google bombing. We also know that Quixtar Corporate has a tight reign on what kind of IBO websites can be out there, and if Quixtar dissaproved of the current Google bombing going on, chances are, using Quixtar's past strategy of attempting to control IBO web-sites, Quixtar would act. But they do not act. Again, it's only circumstancial evidence, but it certainly makes it look like Quixtar approves of the Google bombing.
In the end, QBlog's statement may or may not hold up in a court of law. But does this matter? After all, this isn't a court, but a blog.
Again, everybody but QBlog is in agreement that Quixtar did not admit to GoogleBombing.
Not one of your followers has supported you on this issue QBlog, so don't you think its time to update this post?
I just think it's interesting to read your comments. How much revenue did Quixtar generate last year?
Before Quixtar existed I heard our Diamond Mark Crawford talk of bombing the web with positive websites designed to hide negative ones. I thought this was old news.
Alright, Quixtar did not admit to GoogleBombing.
They are simply the accessory to the 'crime' - either by their tacit approval via their silence on the subject, or perhaps more overtly through some means not yet documented - and unlike their unwitting accomplice, Mr. Duncan, they know better than to go flapping their collective jaw about it.
And this would exculpate the company...how?
Chris wrote: Again, everybody but QBlog is in agreement that Quixtar did not admit to GoogleBombing.
You wish this were the truth, man, talk about making false statements, look in the mirror.
Cjhris wrote: Again, everybody but QBlog is in agreement that Quixtar did not admit to GoogleBombing.
> Speak for yourself buddy, don't put words in mouth of the people who have not spoken about this issue.
I'm not in agreement. Why? Discuss in the forum if you want.
I'm just saying that so far nobody else on here has said that Quixtar has admitted to Google Bombing. The issue is dead to me, it obviously is not going to get corrected, which sheds some light on how QBlog thinks.
I am glad that so many critics agreed with me on this one. :)
QBlog, it's your blog and you can post whatever you want. If it was my blog I could do the same. You do a good job blogging by the way, I just wanted to add my perspective on this post.
If you want to know how much revenue Quixtar generated last year, then call them. You have already heard the response and know it. So if you have a point to be made from it, then make it already. People are curious, so fulfill their curiosity.
Interesting. So Quixtar generated $1.1 billion in revenue last year. Then was any of that money generated by Independent Business Owners? Interesting.
Next question, who was named as a defendant in the P&G suit? Was it:
a.) Randy Haugen
b.) Amway
c.) Some BSM Organization
d.) All of the above
And here's another question. Who paid the Canadian Tax Fraud fine for IBOs breaking tax laws? Was it:
a.) IBOs
b.) Amway
c.) Some BSM Organization
d.) All of the above
Who sent out an email emphatically reminding all IBOs not to spread rumors (even true ones) about a competitor? Was it:
a.) The leader of a BSM organization
b.) A prominent IBO
c.) Ken McDonald
d.) All of the above
Who is behind the Google Bombing effort. Is it:
a.) Quixtar
b.) IBOAI
c.) Several prominent IBOs
d.) All of the above
Bullseye!
Chris, are you really that irrational?
Grab a glove and get in the game.
Klass, who was your upline direct?
FYI, The Canadian Tax Fraud was engineered by Amway, not by IBO.
Canada rely on self-assessment for the imports. Pre-1962(?64?), Amway was 2 separate corp (Amway Sales & Amway Manufacturing, sound familiar?) Amway Man sold to Amway Sales at the wholesale price. So Amway Canada was taxed at the wholesale price.
When Amway merged these 2 corp into 1, Amway sold directly to Direct Distributors. The price sold is the IBO price. Canada ruled that Amway must pay tax at the higher IBO price. Amway argued that since the IBO price included the deferred bonuses, that the tax should be on the wholesale price. The agreement Canada & Amway made was that Amway would be taxed at the lower wholesale price if Amway sold to the Canadian warehouse which then resell to the distributors.
Amway try to bypass this by forging invoices to warehouses when they actually still sell directly to distributors. They got caught and paid the fine.
If Amway never merge, this would be a non-issue.
I'm still waiting for China to fine Amway.
Without IBOs, would any laws have been broken?
If you're referring to the Canadian Tax Fraud, the laws was broken by Amway. No IBO's broke those laws.
If you're being literal, without IBO's, Amway doesn't exist, hence can't break laws.
Not sure of your question.
:o)
So let me try to get this straight QBlog. Are you suggesting that if I say that "Quixtar is going to merge with Mary Kay", then it is not misleading for you to write "Quixtar announces it will merge with Mary Kay"?
Or am I not a "prominent" enough IBO? So if I say it from stage, does that mean that Quixtar has said it, or agrees with it? Are you suggesting that Quixtar 100% agrees with every statement an IBO makes? And that if an IBO makes a statement, that means that Quixtar is making it too?
I just think that your post is misleading. I understand the points you try to make, but that does not mean that Quixtar has admitted to Google Bombing.
More than that, you then wouldn't explain why you did it, but instead just kept responding with "interesting" over and over, until finally giving a hint as to why you posted it. It just showed me a side of you that I now see, yet I was blind to it before.
I don't "hate" you or even think you are doing anything wrong. You can post whatever you want, and in fact, I recently read another bloggers site where he said to write "controversial" topics that stir up the comments section. Posts like this will do exactly that, so from a blogging perspective, do what you want.
I just thought it was misleading and unfair to put those words in Quixtar's mouth just because an IBO said that. I am not even sure he knows what Google Bombing is. He might just think that means filling the search engines with positive sites so visitors would be less likely to find negative ones, which is what many big companies have done.
But who knows. Maybe they are google bombing the term "quixtar blog" and one day you will have to scroll down 45,000 sites to find yours. Who knows.
Who knows indeed.
I know. Quixtar knows. Those who pay attention know.
The fact that Quixtar hasn't come out and said anything about the diamond's admission of Google Bombing is damning enough. Quixtar has made statements about the P&G rumor and other such IBO ramblings, but nothing on the Google Bombing. Sure, in a court of law silence is not incriminating, but this isn't a court. It's a Blog.
DMM,
How could Quixtar possibly track each statement that hundreds of thousands of IBO's make? Let's get real. You couldn't possibly mean what you said. I think that if this was brought to the attention of Quixtar, in a big way like the other things mentioned, that they might address it. But to give them a hard time for not addressing this yet is being a little too hard don't you think?
I dunno, they could send out emails telling people not to spread rumors about their competitors...even when they are true.
So I guess they could send out a notice to all the Diamonds, or ask the IBOAI to, sayign not to google-bomb. Not like that is gonna happen.
The power is in the IBOAI.
I guess. Maybe. Is there even a problem with a site Google Bombing? Like if QBlog wanted to Google Bomb another site, would that be wrong? I am not sure if I am for or against it. It's just a marketing strategy. What is the worst case situation? Google penalizes the site or drops it from the index?
I know that Google has recently changed its algo so that Google Bombing is less effective, but I still haven't seen any case of anyone getting in trouble for it. So I guess it's open for debate on whether or not Google Bombing is right or wrong.
I landed on your site unexpectedly and read throuh your comments as well as all of the postings and through th humor I have come to a few conclusions myself. I have no idea who you are but it is very clear that you obviosly feel itisyor mission in what must be a rather mundane exsistance to devalue a random company. I susspect random because the is no personal commection information revealed from you.
1) So what if Quixtar doesn't admit to Google Bombing? This appears to similar tothe type of activities you engage. And really , other than you - WHO CARES!!!!
2) A a quik random glance they seen far more informative than your website just looking for some on to spar with.
3) As well, if you look at the negative websites regarding the Quixtar place that seems to really irritae you, you will find that the authors of these trash sites are from a very same community of very small mined individuals such as yourself. $ people to be exact.
there is talk of research andchecking everything out. Impartial sources such as local law enforcment, RCMP, current and active Quixtar IBOs,inactive and past IBOs - balanced in the same numbers - you would want to taint or bias your resaerch!
As I have learned through my research since discovering your "site" I would liketo claify some incorrect information on a posting. The tools, meetings, seminars,etc. are optional. So to whoever was complaining. It's your choice. If you decide not to educate yoursel as with any path of career or hobby, don't expect any good results. Ex)drive a car without learning the rule, the maintenence and care, and simply how to perform the multitasking required to drive! If you did buy into all of those item as an IBO, did youread and listen and follow the instructions designed for a more positive outcome or did the sit in pile while you watched 4 hours of tv every night instead of "studying" your new craft.
HMM..... committed to follow any thing through??? sheer and utter laziness??
or just another compainer???
You people need to get away from your computers once in a while and get a life!!!
I wonder if you have the guts to print this
Believe in god? If you typed "god" into a google search, and a link came up that said god didn't exsist? Would you believe it?
I think we all know where I'm going with this.
Quixtar has changed my life, and I am steps away from financial freedom. Don't tell me this company doesn't work.
Ever shop at wal-mart? They are sued 2000 times a day............ hmmm, interesting. Are we going to ban wal-mart now?
God Bless
Nothing wrong with google-bombing. Many, many, many companies do it. In fact, what I find much more unbusiness-ethic-like (find me a better way to phrase that and I'll gladly use it) is the fact that Google (and I think Yahoo, but I'm not sure) is actually allowing competing companies to BUY advertising based on specific search results. I read this article several months back; the gist was this: A major auto insurer (I believe it was Geico) sued Google because Google sold the advertising rights to other major insurers that when someone typed in "geico" as a search term, these other companies' ads would pop up in prominent places on the results page, in some cases with taglines to the effect of "XYZ Insurance Company! Save 20% over Geico, guaranteed!"
There are a lot more companies engaging in much dirtier web tactics than google-bombing. It's not illegal; it's called business. As Quixtar has been quoted several times, "If we are doing anything illegal, we would expect Google, Yahoo, etc. would inform us and let us know what exactly it was we were doing that was illegal and how to take care of removing the offending information, sites, material, etc."
To the platinum who claims he feels like his business is tainted because this google-bombing somehow makes it "dirty" or something, consider this: many, many, many people makes lots and lots and lots of money off of information based on what it says, where it can be found and how it is perceived. IF you dig, you will find things that will seem unsavory to you *personally*, as will 99% of other people, who may find information you consider relieving to be unsavory - you're NEVER going to find anything that is 100% perfect, because - *surprise* - people are involved. Even churches, even the best churches, will have information that would be shocking to even the most devout member.
Your ability to process information and the pros and cons of said information will determine your response.
So you don't like the fact that Quixtar engages in google-bombing. After looking at all the different variables of other business opportunities, jobs, etc (Believe me, I've looked. Hard. For about two years now - the conclusion I've come to? I'm two years behind in my business where I should be.) point out to me an opportunity that offers, long term, the same results. I will immediately jump on board, so long as (1) the BBB says it's cool, (2) the attorney general's office says it's cool and (3) you can introduce me to people who've already made it work and show me that there is a training system in place. Oh, and currently, I'm not willing to put in more than $300 as an initial investment to get started.
Being an IBO, many would expect me to find Mr. Janssen despicable, responding to him in a "How DARE YOU!" attitude. Nope; I find his presence and his intent refreshing because, and correct me if I'm wrong, based on some of his past comments, it seems to me that he's not necessarily negative on the business. He sees huge potential. What he sees is an incredible opportunity that could be run, managed and maintained much more efficiently and effectively. I know that was vague, but if I'm anywhere near the mark on the comment, he'll agree. If he doesn't, then, hell, I'm wrong on a point. Oops.
I just stumbled onto this blog while researching GOOGLE's search algorithm.
It is wrong to state that Quixtar is Google Bombing based solely on the 'evidence' you presented here in this thread. Are they behind it? In my opinion, most definitely. Is it wrong, immoral, illegal, or unethical? Not yet. Is it annoying? Yes! It is a marketing strategy just like spam and pop-ups and equally annoying.
I don't understand what motivates people to waste so much time spouting rhetoric (positive or negative) about a topic. Unless it is done purely for the mental and argumentative excercise. It seems there are more productive things one could do with one's time.
I guess what it comes down to is this... If you have a motivation strong enough to cause you to pick yourself back up when you get knocked down... If you have the intelligence to evaluate and learn from your mistakes... If you are determined to keep trying until you succeed... Then you will make it, you will succeed beyond your wildest dreams.
I've heard it said that... nine out of ten businesses fail in the first five years. To me that just meant I needed to start ten businesses to get one of them to succeed. The reality is that by learning from my mistakes, I was able to succeed at my third business.
Best wishes to those who persist, whatever their endeavor.
That includes you QBlog. Great looking Blog. Any plans to implement an RSS feed?
Well, it was a good Qixtar year for Orrin Woodward. He made about 14.7 million USD. Of that 14.2 million USD, give or take a few thousand, were from selling tools and seminar tickets to The Team of Orrin Woodward and his criminal friends. They also violated the SEC rulings regarding retail sales: not required tehey told us. As he said at Diamond Club (we got a tape from an Emerald in his group): get it while you can! Orrin Woodward is really screwing us up here in the Flint, Michigan area. He is to Michigan what Casey Combden is to Toronto.
Has anyone noticed how these IBOs annoy the shit out of their friends non stop about buying things onling until their friends start ducking them left and right?
Has anyone noticed how these IBOs defend this Quixtar thing as if it died on the cross for them?
Has anyone noticed how this "Chris" guy keeps crying like a bitch to QBlog to change his Google Bombing post and writes ridiculously long essays about it every 5 minutes which are all exactly identical?
Well, I have
This thing has brainwashing and cult written all over it and if you are an IBO, why are you getting so upset at my comments right now and preparing to launch a myriad of comebacks to my statements? If you are so rich why do you even care what I say?
Wake up bitches!
-Alejandro
The bottom line for me after attending a singel seminar and meeting with a "ruby" IBO, theres more focus on selling motivational cd's ect than selling actual goods. Theres more emphasis on establishing a "base" of IBO's who will in turn buy lots of motivational cd's than on selling goods. In fact, the highest ranking "diamond" members in Quixtar make most of their money by selling motovational cd's. Dude, its a pyramid scheme; plain and simple. They exploit the littie guy at the bottom of the pyramid who works his ass of for next to nothing while the guys at the top rake in all the money. I'm not getting into it.
Dan.
FyI,
Some people will do, and say anything to justify them staying broke and enslaved! The bottom line is we live in a Free Country with the opportunity to take part in Free Enterprise!!. Most average people have know idea what Free Enterprise is, or means. The real Pyramids are Corportate Americas JOBS, that seperate you from your family, pay you peanuts, and very rarely allow you to get to the top (CEO) position, How much of an idiot can you be to not see that. You'll never make as much money as your boss, his boss, his boss, his boss, her boss, etc.. Your already in a pyramid. In fact your in the Matrix, the wool pulled over your eyes to blind you of the fact that you are a SLAVE.
Check your Bank Account the next time you criticize Free Enterprise Businesses. Don't be a Fool money is being made people are working for themselves. And for your Info. Books & CD's contain the most phenomenal, self development, and character building talks and techniques ever produced this century!
All of these IDIOTS, need to read books by Napoleon Hill, Robert Kiyosaki, Earl Nightingale, Brian Tracy, Wayne Dyer, ETC.. They all speak about listening to CD's and reading books to associate your mind with success consciousness. Which most people don't know exist and that's why they are unsuccessful.
Success is a learning process. And the people who are at the top of the Corporate Pyramids may or may not have learned this but yet and still, how much of a dweeb do you have to be, to not realize your just living off the crumbs of the American Apple Pie, making excuses for your own failures, low self esteem, and inability to discipline your self and take your finger out of your Butt!!
A man with experience is never at the mercy of a male with a theory. Grow up and really do your homework, those looking for negative will always find it. Those looking for positive will always find it. A way to the top you'll find it. A reason to quit, you'll find it. A reason to succeed you'll find it. AS A MAN THINKETH SO IS HE. Your either going to have a loser mentality or a winner's mentality, you get to choose. So check out your mind before you unload you junk on the unsuspecting minds of the people who are looking to get ahead.
It has been said, follow a person around for 24 hours and you'll know exactly where and how far he's going in life. What are you doing when your not looking for negative, non-productive, Info to assassinate peoples character? Pointing fingers at a Multi Billion Dollar Industries and Kissing Your BOSSES BUTT!!??
I was an IBO for a short time. I gave up the journey because it seems to me the game was to push cds, books, tickets to seminars and majors more than buying on line. I never heard any talk about helping people buy on line. Every meeting I went to was about how important system was and my upline said the game was moving tools through your dowline. I have to say that we definitely have free enterprise it just doesn't guarentee that people like chris are not going to mislead and misdirect you in your business venture. How is that 77 foot boat chris. I have to say I just couldn't give up my integrity to have what you have. You keep getting rich offering hope to the less informed, i'll sleep in my squeeky bed tonight knowing I didn't sell out to your system and take what I didn't earn honestly. A thought I had though to enhance your seminars, try to talk about something other than the system and the tool room. Or maybe there isn't anything else worth talking about? Good luck with your diamond IBO buddies, I hope money buys you the happiness needed to sleep at night.
Hey nomoremoney,
That's a perfect name for you! Have you read the above? Maybe not. I give you some facts just by observing your words. You were in Business less than a year. You questioned everything. You may or may not have attended 1! Conference. You have not read any books. You have listened to less than 5 CD's. You are broke and have low selfesteem. You hang out with broke friends who only think about, and do things that have nothing to do with personal growth or self development. You work a job, that does not allow opportunity for advancement. Your lazy, you have no self confidence, and you have a host of bad habits that contribute to you lack of ambition to do anything remotely resembleing SUCCESS. Losers make excuses Winner's make money. Hence the name you used. One more thing 98% of people over the age of 65 are either broke dead or living on charity or hand-outs. Good luck with your future endeavors. Enjoy the JOB Journey On Broke.
wow warrior #1 I see you missed some of the teachings in mens leadership. Remember the part were they talk about not needing people but wanting them to be apart of something great. Why all the hostility? I see once again another IBO passing the opportunity to give some real information to my concerns. Instead you personally attack me instead of offering some reasons why I am wrong. It's the typical IBO spin. Take the focus away from the real issues and refocus on somewhere else. But I was intrigued by your ability to profile me, you must work for the CIA. once again you dropped the ball. I will grant you one thing, I do own a job and work for my money. Now back to your profile. Why should you deter me from questioning the business. If it's such a great business you should be anxious to answer any questions to help me move past them and get busy showing the plan. Maybe I would have found out that quixtar is amway just hidden a little better than say Michael Jackson's never never land. Anyway, I did attend around 12 tuesday night meetings, 5 seminars, 1 major and one mens leadership conference. I have read 5 books and did enjoy them. Most of them never talked about mlm's. I will say that I did gain quite a bit of knowledge from them and they have had a positive impact on my life. As far as money goes, I would say I'm not broke. I pay my bills every month and take care of my family. I dont have tons of money laying around probably like you but I meet the needs and have a little left over. I do have to say the best money spent is the 10%from my gross wage amount I give to the Lord each time I get paid. Eternal rewards are definitley something I believe in. As far as I can see my confidence level is above average. By the way I did sign up about 15 people in those months. Far more than anyone else on my line. But who's counting. The main people I associate with are Christians, along with family and neighbors. I truely enjoy spending time with my beautiful wife and three awesome kids. I think it's sad that you can't handle a little objection about your business. I tell you what. Tell me some facts about why I am wrong without opinions. I could only offer my opinion because I could never get any facts from my upline when I had questions. Really do you expect people to hand over their money without having some questions answered. You treat people like their dumb if they question anything. I think the reason you get mad is because you don't have any answers. Probably the same questions were raised in your mind but you didn't have the integrity to challenge your upline so when people ask the same questions to you, you give them the same spin you got.
Now, I have to say that you kind of struck a nerve talking about people over 65. First off I am only 34 but I have tremendous respect for the elderly. Those people have given to this country far more than you or I will ever give. Many of them gave up their lives to do more important things like stop Hitler and save our country from Japan. They invented all the luxuries we have today and they sacrificed to raise their children the best they knew how.
With that being said, I have to take a shot at your profile. First off, I think you are a shallow person who lacks integrity. I never heard Orrin and Chris attack someone like you. You do not think very in depth. Your hostility shows your true lack of knowledge about the business. You probably have a hard time showing the plan without your mentor. I'm guessing you are on antidepressants. You attend the seminars for the true social element because you really are not happy with yourself inside. People make over you there so you feel good. I'm guessing your probably in your late twenties or early thirties. A liberal? yes Never served in the armed forces. Probably did not play school sports. I bet at the Majors you sleep in on Sunday morning and skip the church service with Pastor Dicky. Now as Orrin usually would say say and I quote" now I shouldn't have said that people are entitled to say and do stupid things if they want to this is America." Meaning I was wrong for picking on you.
I will say this about the business though. I do like the fact that they promote values and Christianity from the leaders. Obviously you are not one of them judging by your character on this site. Now I will say I could be way off base with my profile and it's probably wrong what I said but I was trying to show you that I was not stupping to your level, just showing you how stupid you sound in your rebuttal to me. Please answer some questions honestly and intelligently in your next posting. Someone looking at this business and this site judges the business by what they read. Please try to at least sound like a successful IBO even if your not. Fake it if you have to. Most of the people are.
I do have one question though, have you seend the commercials for devos I think his name is, the one running for governor. He's a business man a job creator. His dad was the one who created jobs and was a business man. He was just lucky to be the successor of his fathers empire. Am I right or wrong. Hey when amway cut several thousand jobs who was in charge him or his father? you know when they sent them to China. I ahve to say it should be an interesting campaign with all that money he has from daddy. I'm sure someone is lining some pockets for him to come out of nowhere and have so much support. Hopefully they will have some debates to here his IBO spin on questions asked. I think it will be funny hearing him quote stuff from the cd's.
Now i know I've been a little harsh this time around on you and I apologize. I will stick to asking you legitimate questions in the future. I'm not really going to cut the business off 100%. I feel sorry for my family member trying to do this business and I will buy a few things here and there to help him boost his pv. even though he treats me like dirt since I was not interested in promoting the business anymore.
To Nomoremoney,
This is a Blog where individuals get an opportunity to voice their opinion. I don't like when individuals bad mouth the Whole Business because of the inadequecies of their sponsor or upline. You have to make the best decision of which line of Sponsorship to join. Yes no one is perfect, but somewhere along the line you have to look and see if the fruit is on the tree so to speak. Yes there are people who are not conducting themselves in approriate ways in regards to the integrity and values of a responsible, and honest Business Owner. But for anyone to question the Business as a whole is upsurd. There are THOUSANDS of SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE. Any Organization involving people will never be perfect. I am a Christian, and even Churches have members who are questionable in regards to behavior and attitude. I'm sure you know that. But I don't blame the CHURCH. Nomoremoney, that is why books and association is so important.(Personal Growth) Even some of the most renown Ministers and Clergy use books and CD's to Teach. I don't care about the Politics, or personal lives of the Owner's. I'll leave that to GOD. I care about people, and showing them how to utilize this proven System as a means to Educate and Empower themselves and others Internationally. I apologize if I may have hurt your feelings. I do believe you should look a little deeper into what is being offered. I'ts not a sin to have abundance. And If you piece together what I have posted you'll have a little more understanding of what I mean. At the bottom of the Quixtar Homepage theres information about the Business and Amway. Take a look. It's no secret Quixtar is a totally different breed of Business. I have nothing but the utmost respect for my elders. And I know I can do a lot more for my Grandparent's and others if I have more than enough to provide. You can touch millions of peoples lives through this Business.Somewhere, somebody needs YOU! There is someone whom ONLY YOU can mentor! What can you do to help Empower a young Man and Woman, who need to escape Financial turmoil? This awesome opportunity is a Business of personal relationships, and friendships. Every year 1000's of people get saved as a result of the Sunday service, Yes, I do attend. Is anyone getting saved because of their JOB? The bottom line is this. No one is perfect. But you can make a bigger impact in someones life through teaching, speaking and showing them how to improve themselves and their families quality of life. GOD, did'nt create you just to pay the bills and have a little something left over. He created you to make a difference, and to help bring more people to the KINGDOM. No, you do not have to use the Business to do this. But if the hope for a better life and the accomplishment of dreams and aspirations does it. Then of course we can utilize the Business as a means to lead them to the foundation. The Love Of GOD, And Salvation through our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST. Then we can really get on the road to Financial Independence.That's the bottom line.
Warrior #1 that was great. I'm impressed with your level of commitment to the lord. I have to say this business is not for me though. good luck to you and wherever we are lets continue to spread the good news about the Lord. Please continue to conduct yourself like that it really was some good stuff. I'll try to do the same. And that goes for the rest of you out there..........
i was not going to post anything , but i feel i had to. i'm an IBO with my girlfriend. been in for over a year . am plugged into the system. 2 members under us .NO IBOs!! i've had it and am going to get out. the books are great , but i am going broke.
"Google bombing" Hence explained how to discovered that Google used the technique to calculate page rankings.
A Quixtar (part of Amway, headquartered in Ada, MI) Independent Business Owner (IBO) admits to taking steps to manipulate Google search results.
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I don know but why i don find such informative and profitable blogs so often,I suspect blogging world is becoming so small that we cant find such lucrative blogs like this one.
I don know but why i don find such informative and profitable blogs so often,I suspect blogging world is becoming so small that we cant find such lucrative blogs like this one.
But instead of this blun speech now it maintains a PR of 6 at Home Page. Does it mean Google Bombing still too effective.
Ask me if I think Quixtar knows they are doing it?? Yes, I've seen links from quixtar "product info" pages that link to the various Diamond so called "blogs". But that is a whole other matter. The IBOAI does what they want cause they can tell Quixtar "do it our way or we take the shell game somewhere else"... that's my opinion of it anyway.
I don't think Googlebombing works nearly as well anymore. They have fairly sophisticated algorithms these days.
Yeah. Google is very strange search engine. I think their specialists work so hard to built new modern algoritms.
Nothing is free in life you have to work for $$$$$$$ it and complianing or running your mouth over a company your not involved with is not going to get you any where. There are millions of people making $100,000 a month thanks to quixtar and there hard work,I'm one of them
So much for the 'bathroom wall' philosophy. TEAM can go Google deeez nuts!
Posted by: df | November 3, 2004 9:27 AM