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November 19, 2004
Land Violates Rule 6.5?
By QBlog in
The Background
What is Rule 6.5? Well, the Non-Competition and Anti-Raiding rule means that while you're a Quixtar IBO, you're pretty much prohibited from working with competing MLMs. When this rule was adopted by Quixtar last spring, some IBOs complained and said that it was unfairly restricting how they do business. But Quixtar did not budge and proceeded to demonstrate its commitment to Rule 6.5 by enforcing it when IBOs were discovered to be in violation.
I expect that Quixtar will continue its vigilant enforcement of Rule 6.5, no matter who is found to be in violation.
Joe and Lynn Land
Have you ever heard of Oasis Life Sciences? Me neither. Apparently it's some sort of MLM that sells anti-aging pills, dietary supplements, weight loss powders, pet supplements (no fooling) and more. Pretty typical MLM fare and besides the product similarities, Oasis has a couple of other things in common with Quixtar. For instance, Oasis has "Silver," "Diamond" and "Platinum" levels, a "lucrative" pay plan and an Associate name Lynn Land. Yeah, THAT Lynn Land. The same Lynn Land that's married to Joe Land and helps her husband run Alliance Net Solutions (ANS). The same Lynn Land that's listed on Quixtar's own Lines of Affiliation page. That's her.
What Makes You Say This?
So how do I know that Quixtar Diamond Lynn Land is hooked up with a competing MLM? Well, I'll show you. Check out this site: http://www.oasislifesciences.net/landl. Notice the last five letters after the ".net" spell LandL. As in Land Lynn. As in Lynn Land. Still not convinced? I don't blame you. But I promise, it gets better.
If you click the link you'll notice that the URL changes to insert the "landl" letters as a subdomain, which is standard practice for sites that issue "personalized" pages (http://landl.oasislifesciences.net/). Now, if you go to the "contact us" page you will see that Associate's contact info (makes sense). That info is:
Phone: 843/343-1001The area code for that number traces to the Eastern side of South Carolina and includes cities such as Charleston, Myrtle Beach and Mt. Pleasant. Coincidentally, Joe and Lynn Land live in South Carolina.
Email: lynn@comelainvestments.com
Associate # 1109023
Also, the comelainvestments.com domain seems to be inactive but it’s registered to The Midosm Group, LLC, 3201 Queensgate Way, Mt. Pleasant, SC 29464 (phone 843-216-1126). Interesting. And if we turn to Archive.org we find that an old version of the now inactive Web site has a page title reading "Welcome Joe and Lynn Land's Web Site." Very interesting indeed but what's this Midosm Group?
Well, back in February I posted about the joeandlynnland.com domain. Guess who owns that domain? You guessed it, the Midosm Group. And while the joeandlynnland.com site also appears to be down, another archived page reveals that it looked almost identical to the comelainvestments.com site right down to the page title.
So, if you look at the connections it is pretty obvious that THE Lynn Land is involved with Oasis Life Sciences. And since Mrs. Land seems to be in violation of Rule 6.5 I'm sure she'll soon be receiving a letter from Quixtar similar to the one Jacqueline Curcio got not too long ago. I have no doubt that Quixtar will act swiftly to enforce it's Non-Competition and Anti-Raiding Rule. To do anything else would be... well... suspicious.
Comments
An interesting question, but probably not particularly relevant to the majority of distributors. Worth watching though.
I'd venture the real basis of rule 6.5 is protecting Quixtar from other mlms and business or organizational entities. I doubt they (Quixtar) are really that concerned about the financial impact of other products one might try to move through an organization. They are probably very concerned though about being sued by competitors, etc. under some obscure but enforceable bit of legal detail. But I'm not a lawyer.
In my experience IBOs that try to work multiple product lines/businesses through one organization typically fail at all. They underestimate the impact of split loyalty, loss of identity, and loss of focus on team members and performance. It sort of ties in with the idea that a million products is nice to have, but 15-20 really build a business.
spiler said "I doubt they (Quixtar) are really that concerned about the financial impact of other products one might try to move through an organization"
I don't know what planet you live on, but on the rock I'm standing on each IBO only has so much money they can spend on product each month. The basis of most of the LOS is getting each IBO "plugged in " to the system, one part of which means spending the max amount of money each month on product.
ANY products that are going to take away from that monthly amount spent are BAD NEWS.
Comela Investments is the name of the company that Joe uses make real estate investments, the business where he makes his true money (his words not mine). The name Comela is acutally a combination of the first two letters of each of his daughter's first names.
Isn't rule 6.5 (or a part of it) the same rule that "prohibits" you from sponsoring anyone from your line into another business for 6 months if you leave quixtar?
I think it's 2 years to get ur DL in that new competing biz.
You can not join anything else for 6 months
You can't sponsor your downline for 2 years into that business.
http://tinyurl.com/3zkp4
Roger, QBlog links to the rule and a post he wrote about it in the first link in this post. That should answer your question.
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Quixmire wrote: "The basis of most of the LOS is getting each IBO "plugged in " to the system, one part of which means spending the max amount of money each month on product."
I don't know if I agree with that. I have never personally experienced it, and I have never physically seen or heard that taught. I would admit that many new IBO's don't know how to train a new IBO, so they make many mistakes early on like trying to get their new IBO to be 100% loyal with shopping and stuff like that.
But an IBO with experience knows that this sort of pushy method will never create success in the long run. In our organization we don't teach the style that you suggest that "many" LOS do.
Quixmire wrote: "ANY products that are going to take away from that monthly amount spent are BAD NEWS."
This is not true. I don't buy all my products from Quixtar, and I still shop at Costco for some things, as well as many other stores. But Quixtar nor my upline has lost my loyalty because of that.
I agree with Spiler's analysis of why Quixtar might have set up that rule in the first place. I will also agree that if my upline started selling a personal product that was in direct competition with a Quixtar coreline product, then that might actually take away from sales, which could hurt the company. So it is understandable why they wouldn't want that to happen.
But I would assume that Quixtar would take this on a case by case basis an analyze the potential threat to business and if one existed.
Here is an analogy that comes to mind. My friend has Google Adsense ads like QBlog, but on several sites. One of them seems to be in violation of the Adsense terms. But he got the site approved by them without needing to change it. So they obviously make decisions on a case by case basis, and don't hold everybody to the general rules. Although if we picked apart his site, we could all find ways that it violates the terms in one way or another.
So Quixtar may or may not act the same way on this situation as on another. We will just have to wait and see.
okay, re-read it. (missed the initial link)
Still don't see how it can not be an issue.
Chris said:
"I have never personally experienced it, and I have never physically seen or heard that taught. I would admit that many new IBO's don't know how to train a new IBO, so they make many mistakes early on like trying to get their new IBO to be 100% loyal with shopping and stuff like that."
Chris, you told us you were in Yager. Are you telling me that 100% product use is no longer being taught? Are you telling me that, although you clearly do participate in "the system" - because you've told us you use books and cd's and such - that your branch of Yager doesn't teach 100% product use?????
Dude, I've heard tapes from Yager, and heard him speak in person. There is no way you are a big money maker in his group, participating in the system, and you aren't teaching 100% product use. To say you've never even "personally experienced it, and I have never physically seen or heard that taught" - it lends even further credance to my opinion that you are not at all who you say you are.
Quixmire, did you not read your own statement I was responding to?
Quixmire wrote: "The basis of most of the LOS is getting each IBO "plugged in " to the system, one part of which means spending the max amount of money each month on product."
I have never seen it taught to spend the max amount of money each month on product. And for sure not in the way you describe.
Being loyal is different than spending the max amount. I am very loyal to Quixtar products. I don't buy 100% from Quixtar, but I use their coreline products and get what I can from the site. I don't know one single person that buys 100% from the site including Yager himself.
Do you think there is any IBO that exists that buys 100% of everything they can from Quixtar?
If there were like 5 products, then I could be 100% loyal by using all 5. So what does 100% loyal mean? There are many months where my personal volume is over 1000pv between my own shopping and sales to members & clients. I would consider myself loyal. If you came to my house you would see products I bought from Quixtar.
I teach my downline to be product loyal as well. But I think that the 100% loyalty is taken out of context since nobody is actually 100% loyal. This would be near impossible. I applaud the IBO who has been able to achieve this if they exist.
We don't teach to spend the max amount of money on products each month. We teach to buy what you need from your own business and shop from your own store. Then sell as much as you can to members and clients, and teach other IBO's to do the same.
If that is what you meant, then yes, this is what we teach. And maybe I misunderstood you, and if I did, I apologize, but teaching people to max out on products is not wise teaching in my opinion.
ah, yes, Chris. always the voice of reason. always the only group who is part of the system that is blissfully ignorant of the way things are one, always the one who does things right.
anyway, I'd love to talk with you more about your experiences on the forum. This is getting too off topic for this blog post.
I'll look for you in the forum.
I received a copy of Diamond Parameters published by True North and WWDB today that promotes 100% usage and actually still suggests keeping an inventory.
Plus, a tools inventory.
100% usage, inventory and tools inventory are not bad things. They will help give an IBO better chance for success. I am just saying that to tell an IBO to max out his/her money on products isn't right. And I don't feel that any group is teaching that, at least that I have heard.
I too have heard 100% usage, but that needs to be taken in perspective. Obviously an individual cannot buy 100% of everything from the site, so that is not the 100% they are talking about.
And obviously an IBO is still going to buy things in their daily life, that if they looked, they could have probably bought them from the site. So what do you think they mean by 100%?
Clarifying your view of that would be a starting point, then I can let you know if I agree with it and teach it to my group or not.
If you meet up with an IBO for coffee and that IBO says they are 100% loyal, are they lying because they just bought a cup of coffee from another business? What if they have Kahve at their house? So what do you think the IBO's mean when they say 100% loyal?
David, just FYI, once you become a Platinum, the corporation actually requires that you maintain adequate stocks of products, literature, and sales aids or assure that IBOs in your personal group have alternative methods by which to obtain their business needs. So the advice on that matter that was promoted is not necessarily bad advice.
Chris, you might want to think about posting in the Forum.
Your long, drawn out, posts in the Blog are getting a tad tiresome and downright irritating at times.
It just seems to be that you are like many other IBO clones who will not stand up and discuss the situation anywhere other than the Blog.
It's almost like a drive by. You run in and post somethings then leave. Try and stay a while and postulate your viewpoints where others can respond at length.
So if you have the proverbial 'b@11s' - or even if you don't [I'll loan you a big brass set] - go into the Forum and post.
You may even enjoy the reparte a bit.
Cliff
Thanks for the tip cliff, I will consider it :)
So it's the same Land, Scott Larsen's buddy?
Time for a song: This land is your land, this land is my land.....
well written post QBlog.
Posted by: Chris | November 19, 2004 12:27 AM