The Quixtar Web Initiative

That was a long post. In the future try to squeeze some of the redundancy out of your work. Also please explain how this strategy is any different than your gathering all the indians together. Eric, you are so predictable. No wonder Qrush is kicking your butt.

Posted by: John Bravo | October 14, 2004 12:41 AM

I expect that was a pretty long read for you, Johnny. Anything longer than a couple of paragraphs and your head explodes?

Would it have been any easier if he had spread it out over several days? What purpose would have been served by doing that (other than allowing persons with short attention spans the ability to read it)?

For an intelligent guy, you compromise your own credibility. But then, some people place personal grooming as a higher priority than intellect. That wouldn't be the motivation for the screen name, would it, Mr. Bravo?

PW

Posted by: PW | October 14, 2004 2:29 AM

Example of redundancy in blogging:

There's this blogger out there who constantly uses words like commie, pinko, liberals, stooge, unholy trinity, gang of (insert single digit number here), the above statements are based on my (insert ignorant psychobabble here), in every post he writes.

Now that's redundancy! It's also makes a pretty good case for the "No Child Left Behind" act.

Posted by: jason | October 14, 2004 2:35 AM

QBog, this post was pretty long and goes against one of your own rules so I was surprised. On the other hand, I like posts that are well put together and clearly cover a topic and I think that this post has done that. So good job, even though it was long.

It looks like you have done your research on this thing, although I am not sure about a couple of points.

QBlog wrote: "A quick Google search of the name "Jody Victor" yields no less than eight advertisements apparently funded by Quixtar, the IBOAI and Victor himself."

So do we have any proof that Quixtar is paying for these ads? We know that they are paid for but do we for sure know who is paying for them?

QBlog wrote: "The Quixtar leadership has said that this battle is the biggest challenge they will face all year."

Did you physically hear the leadership say this? I am not saying that it was never said, but do you have any proof that it was said or are you just assuming it?

I agree with your feeling towards the use of blogs and how they are not being used right, but it was only a matter of time before we saw blogs being used for marketing, not just with Quixtar, but with thousands of topics.

Many bloggers have the primary goal of making money with their blogs and the secondary goal of providing worthy content.

I think that you do a good job when it comes to blogging and you are respected for that. In conclusion, I think that overall this was a good post and well researched.

Posted by: Chris | October 14, 2004 3:21 AM

Good post Eric. I was going to email you last week regarding Big Qxtar manipulating serch results as I do not know anything about the subject myslef. Thanks for your post.

cheers

Posted by: fortius | October 14, 2004 5:43 AM

A message to Quixtar:

Nice try. You can run but you can't hide.

Posted by: JR | October 14, 2004 9:18 AM

John Brave,

Your use of Q-Blog's real name is disrespectful..it shows your true nature that you will dis-respect those who do not agree with you...
Bad form!!!!

Posted by: ex-dd | October 14, 2004 10:50 AM

ex-dd,

It's no big deal. i really don't mind. He can call me whatever he wants, just don't call me late to dinner ;o)

(an old, tired joke but I still love it)

Posted by: QBlog | October 14, 2004 10:53 AM

Qblog,
Yes, this is a long post, but I'm thankful for it because I actually learned more about this wonderous thing called the Internet today. I wouldn't care if your post was pages and pages so long as it's informative. You rock.
Imanewme (and getting better every day)

Posted by: imanewme | October 14, 2004 1:41 PM

This qrush guy continues to piss me off. I have to admit that this video and cast is funny stuff though. I don't care if you are pro or con to Passport or Quixtar this is funny. Bo Short ballads?
http://passport-jokey.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Billy Ramczek | October 14, 2004 1:57 PM

Thanks QBlog. I got a better understanding of the topic in your post. I am forced to agree with Chris on this one :)

The one thing I disagree with Chris's comments are simply him always wanting proof for (insert miniscule point here)

Chris, I challenged you a couple weeks ago to show me your price list to prove that your prices are better. You chose not to, but several other IBO's did mail me with pricing (Thanks again guys) My message is this Chris: If you are not willing to put up, then you are not in a position to criticize others for the veracity of things they write. If you don't believe it, go prove it's incorrect. Don't ask something of others that you would not be willing to do.

That's all

But I agree with your comments

Well Done

Posted by: rocket | October 14, 2004 4:04 PM

I find this interesting only because I've noticed that part of the advertisments to support this site are Quixtar sponsored. If this is that much of a concern for you, you may want to stop accepting money from Quixtar via your yahoo ads.

Oh Eric, didn't your wife and/or you sign up as a distributor to get products recently? Don't you think it's time to change your bi-line of:

"This site is the journal (blog) of the husband of a former Quixtar IBO."

- Soobonn

Posted by: Soobonn | October 14, 2004 6:20 PM

Chris do all Ibo's have the right to advertise like the big pins or is this just for them because their on the board.Why don't you do it?It wouldn't be profitable to advertise a nasty protein bar would it.That is my personal opinion and I've had them all.They are not trying to sell product they are trying to flood the web with their money to stop information they don't like.Where is the average Ibo guy using the internet to advertise his great business.People are tired of the hype and fluff.

Posted by: Ray | October 14, 2004 7:28 PM

Sonbon, BonBon...whatever:

I think it is great that this site makes money from the Quix ads. It is like this sight is tearing the arm out of the AmQuix organization and beating them with it.

"Quit hitting yourself"
{Smack}
'Ow'
"Quit hitting yourself"
{Smack}

I hope it short circuits your little Quixbot brain. ahhahahahaha

Posted by: df | October 14, 2004 9:44 PM

Ray said: "Chris do all Ibo's have the right to advertise like the big pins or is this just for them because their on the board."

IBO's can and do advertise. All they need to do is get approval from Quixtar corporate. Quixtar even has developed advertisements that IBO's can use in newspaper ads and so forth. I personally do not use that form of advertising, and I mostly focus on word of mouth.

I do not believe that these Google Adwords that we are referring to were purchased for any direct personal gain for any specific IBO. I think that they were purchased for name branding the company to help combat against the negative content towards the Quixtar business that is found on the web.

My guess is that the IBOAI Board is who has purchased them, but that is just my guess. My other personal opinion is that they shouldn't buy Google Adwords in the first place, but instead they should make their guidelines less strict so that IBO's can have websites that are not password protected. Then we would see more positive websites on the internet to combat against the negative.

I understand why they don't do this because then many IBO's would get carried away with marketing this business online, but I still think that there is a way that we could combat against the negative without the need for paid advertising. At the same time I am not that upset at their choice for this web initiative, but like QBlog, I do think they could do a better job.

Rocket said: "Chris, I challenged you a couple weeks ago to show me your price list to prove that your prices are better. You chose not to, but several other IBO's did mail me with pricing"

What are you talking about Rocket? Within hours I responded by letting you know that you could compare prices by going to Quixtar.com yourself. You didn't need a password to get in.

You said you tried it and it didn't work, and that some other IBO's emailed you the info. So what you meant to say is that IBO's, including myself, all answered your question and helped you out. And by the way, you must not have tried to browse the Quixtar site after I told you that because it is simple and doesn't require a password like you said.

Rocket also said: "Don't ask something of others that you would not be willing to do"

Rocket, if this was my blog and I made specific statements and claims, you would question me as well so don't even go there. I think that a blog visitor has the right to question the blog author on their posts. That is why the comments feature is enabled on this blog.

I asked QBlog 2 questions in my comment.

The first one was just a general question because he said that the advertisements were apparently funded by Quixtar, not that they definitely were. I was just asking if he knew for sure.

The second question was asking him to state his source for the when he writes that "The Quixtar leadership has said that this battle is the biggest challenge they will face all year".

I think that it is fair of me to ask where he got that statement from. I think QBlog will see that this is a reasonable question, and I wouldn't even get mad if he didn't answer. Just thought I would ask.

Posted by: Chris | October 15, 2004 4:38 AM

Chris that's not at all how it went down at all man. The people that gave me price lists gave me specific links and/or emailed me their pages with prices on it.

Go told me to go somewhere (not likely where you really wanted to tell me to go :) )and I was unable to get in. You knew that.

Maybe I'm just stupid, but for the record, you did not help me in any way shape or form. The people that were not even involved were the ones that helped me. Probably because they wouldn't care if I found out you were perhaps overstating the value in the pricing that Quixtar provides.

So yeah, I will go there.

Just seems whenever a statement is made that IBO's can't argue with, they all of a sudden get this urge to verify all information.

You should start with verifying the garbage your upline feeds you by the tapeful. Then it wouldn't seem so peculiar when all of a sudden IBO's want full disclosure.

Posted by: rocket | October 15, 2004 2:05 PM

Rocket,

I did not ask for "proof" from QBlog because I couldn't "argue" what QBlog was saying. I am interested in QBlog's posts, and so I read them and if I have a question or opinion, that is what the comments section is for.

As for me helping you, I am sorry that I couldn't have been of more assistance. I do not have a "price list" like you requested so I was unable to provide that for you, but I was aware that you could review prices on your own at the website directly. I thought that this would be a better resource for information for you because you could see prices for all products, and not just a few. So I am sorry that it was not more helpful for you.

I don't really appreciate the line you use about how upline supposedly feeds me a bunch of garbage. First of all, you don't know my upline, and second of all it's not garbage. My life has been significantly improved because I was willing to be mentored by my upline and I am very thankful for that. I respect my upline very much and I have heard the same from IBO's in several different organization, so I just think that attacking IBO's like that is uncalled for.

Posted by: Chris | October 15, 2004 9:54 PM

Sorry if I offended you Chris.

If your life has been significantly improved because you were willing to be mentored by your upline that's great.

Maybe it should be marketed as a self help program and not a business.

As for the"garbage", it's common knowledge for anyone who has been involved that you are fed exactly that. They were going hog wild with their non existent divorce rate, and the 95% of businesses fail within the first year. The fear mongering "nobody will have enough money in old age without this" was also a classic, and it goes hand in hand with the 2-5 years and you'll be free line that so many have been told.

That's where I'm coming from. Sorry if you don't appreciate it, sincerely. But that's the kind of reputation you're dealing with.

Along with overpriced product.

Posted by: rocket | October 15, 2004 10:10 PM

Rocket said:

"They were going hog wild with their non existent divorce rate, and the 95% of businesses fail within the first year. The fear mongering "nobody will have enough money in old age without this" was also a classic, and it goes hand in hand with the 2-5 years and you'll be free line that so many have been told."

Rocket, how are these things not true? In my organization there has been one divorce that was on the rocks before they got started, and there are many married couples that talk about how much the business has helped them in their marriage. I see it with my own eyes.

According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, over 50% of small businesses fail in the first year and 95% fail within the first five years. So how is quoting that statistic "garbage" in your view?

I have never heard an IBO say that "nobody will have enough money in old age without this" but it is true that people should focus on a good retirement plan and most people do not have one.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has said that 95% of retiring Americans are not financially independent but dependent upon government subsistence, charity, and family financial support or work until they die.

If you want to get into discussions on this, the number of elderly Americans set to double by 2030 turning the baby boom into the senior boom, and Social Security is pretty much a ponzi scheme.

Social Security does not make any real investments, it just takes money from later "investors," or taxpayers, to pay benefits to earlier, now retired, taxpayers. Like Ponzi, Social Security will not be able to recruit new "investors" fast enough to continue paying promised benefits to previous investors. Because each year there are fewer young workers relative to the number of retirees, Social Security will eventually collapse, just like Ponzi's scheme.

I personally try not to use doom and gloom statistics but the reality is that most people are not in a position to retire comfortably with just their job benefits and social security, so investing or starting up their own business should be considered. Why is it wrong for IBO's to discuss this, and why is it "garbage" as you say?

Finally, the 2-5 year plan that many IBO's talk about can be true. I can layout a business plan for someone and show them that if they do this, that then they may be able to achieve this in 2-5 years.

If they decide not to do the work and game plan outlined, then they might not achieve their goal on that time frame. When someone registers they see the SA4400 and see what the average IBO is making, so there is nothing wrong with giving someone a time frame they can expect to make a certain amount of income.

Most people do not do the work consistently and so they do not see the results, but some stay consistent and see the results. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with this. If an IBO guarantees that the prospect will see those results in 2-5 years then there is a problem.

I show the average incomes for IBO's at certain levels, then show what size business it will take to be there, then show them how that size business can be achieved in 2-5 years and what it would take. I let them know that it can be done sooner or longer based on how they build their business and they understand. I also explain that not everyone reaches these levels, and I give them my opinion as to why.

Rocket, I would ask that you would stop accusing IBO's of just repeating "the garbage that their upline feeds them." I have not accused you and other critics of repeating the "garbage that you read on other negative websites", which gives you the benefit of the doubt that you have researched and looked into these things yourself.

I could easily go the other way and assume that all these negative things that you are referring to are just things that you have read on negative sites and believe without researching them yourself. Out of respect I assume that you are well researched and we are debating issues in a civilized manner.

Posted by: Chris | October 15, 2004 11:08 PM

Divorces:

The Lorencz's, The Kosage's, The Marin's, The Britt's. That's without even looking anything up. They were all at least the diamond level. Hardly non existant, as is proclaimed, and hardly a marriage saver.

I personally know off the top of my head 6 business owners who have been in business over 15 years that they started from scratch. Still there and doing fine. I can think of only 1 that I know that went bankrupt, mom and pop movie store.

Maybe I just know the wrong people?

Social Security is what these people earned. It's hardly charity, and while your thoughts on that were very Burke Hedges, I will agree with you on that point. Who knows what will happen when there aren't enough contributors. I think that a lot of older people are better prepared for it than those of 20 years ago though.

The 2-5 year plan. Quixtar launched in 1999, no? 5 years ago. Yet no diamonds that were exclusively Quixtar have shown their faces. Any time now....

I'm sorry that calling it upline garbage offends you. I won't be changing my wording on that anytime soon though, because I have demonstrated why I believe it to be garbage.

Posted by: rocket | October 16, 2004 3:12 AM

We're going in circles once again.

50/90%% 'failure' rate has been discussed and debunked before. That is NOT what the SBA says - those are statistics quoted out of context = garbage. The source of the 95% 'failure' rate is Quixtar uplines/IBOs. Point goes to Rocket.

Quixtar saves money by not advertising and passes that money on to the IBOs in the form of lower prices and rebates. Quixtar advertises. Which one is it, or does that depend on the day?

We critics cite information published by Quixtar itself, links, examples, etc. ad nauseam. What we get in return is "Well, it works for me." Ain't good enough. Sorry.

Posted by: Porkchopjim | October 16, 2004 2:10 PM

PJ, you are the one going in circles. I have already proven the 95% quote true and had a discussion about this topic on this board with DMM and others on this page:
http://tinyurl.com/3l4g6

Here is a portion of our conversation...

"I have never heard my upline say that statistic, but I have learned it in school when I studied business and marketing, then again I was told it by the SBA when they helped me with my first micro loan when I started up my first business, then again I have heard it numerous times at business events like Chamber of Commerce meetings and so on, before I was involved with Quixtar in any way. In fact, I cannot recollect ever hearing it in relevance to Quixtar. I brought it up based on my own experience, and I thought it was a good example of business success and failure rates. Being that I do have an analytical side, I have done research as to this statistic and if you call the SBA, they will give you the source of it. For now you can see it “referenced” right here on their very own website!"

http://www.sba.gov/starting_business/startup/areyouready.html

If that is not enough proof for you, then call or email the SBA yourself and ask them why they quote that statistic on their own website.

Posted by: Chris | October 17, 2004 7:11 AM

And I have demonstrated why that statistic is not true, based on my life experiences.

The only way that 95% of businesses fail is if you take Amway/Quixtar into account.

Because the prices are too high and its non-competitive.

BTW Chris, you like to pick apart very small parts of things brought to you. Why don't you address:

the 200 people who think the prices are fair, I showed you 2 who don't. Put up.

The divorce rate, I've shown that to be crap

No Quixtar only diamonds (never in Amway)

This being more of a self help program than a business, due to overall low profitability per distributor, but how people proclaim their life is better for it, even if they don't make money

You seem to ignore the general message, pick out one little thing, and beat the snot out of it with its own arm. I think that's because the facts are tough to overcome. I understand. Take Care

Posted by: rocket | October 17, 2004 2:49 PM

Chris,

Your source does in fact give the 50%/95% statistic.

Your source also says that 66% of the businesses are open 2 years after starting, 50% for 4 years or more, and 40% for 6 or more years. Of those not still in business, 1/3 were successful at closure.

http://app1.sba.gov/faqs/faqindex.cfm?areaID=24

http://www.sba.gov/advo/stats/bh_sbe03.pdf

Oh my! What a conumdrum! Why is this? Here's my theory:

"With a business failure rate of 50% in the first year and 95% in 5 years, you need the SBA more than ever now."

Versus:

"With a requested budget of $780 million, and an overall failure rate of 95% after 5 years, who needs the SBA?"

Quit reading 'pamphlets' and look at data. Also, go back to your business professors and ask for a refund.

Posted by: Porkchopjim | October 17, 2004 4:58 PM

PJ wrote: "go back to your business professors and ask for a refund."

Good advice PJ. I think that I will. I do think that what they teach in college is not so useful and half the time not even true. I have learned more about business from Robert Kiyosaki than I did in college studying business and marketing.

As far as the 50/95 statistic, I was simply responding by letting you know that I did not learn that statistic from my upline, and even if I did, that is a widely used statistic. I went to a seminar that teaches people how to buy a franchise and the speaker used it there as well. It is a widely used statistic that can be argued all day long, but the point was that it is widely used.

Rocket, you obviously have some sort of personal issue with me. You got mad at me for leading you to the website where you could do price comparisons on all products instead of emailing you a flier or link.

Then you state a bunch of issues with IBO's in the business and I respond with a lengthy comment to give perspective on each issue and you respond by saying that I just pick apart very small things brought to my attention.

I felt that my answer was very detailed and addressed the majority of your post.

As far as the rest of your questions, I do not know how many new diamonds there have been since the launch of Quixtar. There could have been 20, 10, 1 or 0. I do not have that statistic. I do know that there has been more teaching on building strong secure businesses utilizing depth and so there have been many new emeralds and many people earning 6 figure incomes.

I personally don't tell people that they will reach the diamond level in 2-5 years, but that they can potentially earn a 6 figure income in that time frame with a specific game plan that I give them. That is what our organization teaches.

You pointed out 4 divorces that you know of, and I have nothing but positive testimonials in my entire organization and there has only been one divorce, but they were going to divorce before they started their business, and their business helped them out a bunch but it just didn't last.

Every industry has divorces, and it is sad that the divorce rate is so high in the nation these days. What IBO's receive is encouragement to improve their marriage and relationships which is proven to help people stay married. Books like "The 5 Love Languages" and "His Needs Her Needs" are promoted to encourgage growth in their marriage. Most businesses/companies do not offer any support to their employees on this subject and so I think this business is a great help to people in their marriage.

As far as the prices go, we just disagree and that is that. This will go on for years. I just went and ate at a restaurant tonight and paid top dollar for food that was equal to a cheaper place I usually go. I still enjoyed the night and I would go back again. I do not always look for the cheapest product, I just want to pay a price I think is fair for a product or service that I like. I think that is how most people feel as well.

In our organization there are thousands of people and the vast majority of them feel that the prices are fair. At our conferences we have put a major focus on product education and people love the products. So there are thousands for you. In fact, to this day I have shown hundreds of business plans and have never come across someone that has thought the prices were too high.

Once I heard someones mom who wasn't an IBO ask a speaker at a conference a question about why the prices were too high. The speaker took time to give her a great response and she became an IBO later down the road. Other than that, the negative sites on the internet is the only place I have heard people talk about prices being too high.

Posted by: Chris | October 19, 2004 2:35 AM

Chris, I have no personal vendetta against you.

I'll tell you how many Quixtar only diamonds there are - 0 that have surfaced. Perhaps a plugged in gent such as yourself could point one out to me.

I don't care what books are available....at all. THAT WAS NOT MY POINT. You frustrate me Chris.

I don't have a problem with people being divorced. It happens. I hate the fact that there were diamonds.....yes diamonds at functions I attended in Canada that proclaimed a 0% divorce rate in this business. Heard it with my own ears. Don't you think making claims like that is flat out wrong?

I could not get into where your prices were. Enough already. I found out that the prices are in fact too high, and a couple of people who are current IBO's agreed with me. They just are. Why is that so hard for you to accept?

I also don't believe you have shown
hundreds of plans and not one person has questioned the prices. NOT ONE?? Come on. I don't look for the cheapest product either, I look for the best VALUE. Your business simply does not have it.

And you can take the number of people that have distanced themselves from the business vs. the people in the business that feel the same way. Otherwise, they'd still be in there if nothing more than to buy the products at a great bargain. I think the numbers for the people who quit FAR outnumber those that are hanging in there.

To give a prospect the cost of prices when they're at the direct level for 25% less is misleading, as some groups have done. Not ethical in my opinion, since very few will get to direct.

I'll keep in touch Chris. I will be letting you know exactly how many members, clients, and IBO's are involved when I get through. I'm sure its not 800,000.

BTW I hope you don't seriously put a lot of stock in Robert Kiyosaki. Good Lord.

Posted by: rocket | October 19, 2004 3:27 AM

Robert Kiyosaki. Such a business guru. For more valuable info on this guy try this on for size. It's a long read, Chris but that should be no problem for you.

http://www.johntreed.com/Kiyosaki.html

Posted by: jason | October 19, 2004 9:32 AM

So Chris doesn't put much stock in college education, but he/she will throw around informal stats (50/95) from other amquix meetings.

Jeee-zus. This is ridiculous.

Chris, go back to school and this time, pay attention! You might learn something.

Posted by: df | October 19, 2004 1:16 PM

Rocket, why ask me questions if you will just not believe my answers? If you don't believe what I say then why even ask?

I think it is wrong for a speaker to claim a 0% divorce rate. QBlog won't like this, but statements like that "would never happen in our group". I have never heard such a claim from anyone. Once again, most of the things I hear critics talk about, I do not see or hear so I would have to say that our organization is on the right track.

I do not think it is wrong for someone to show a prospect what prices would be like at the 25% level, 12% level or 3% level for that matter. I think it is good for a prospect to know what prices will be like at the 25% level. Especially if they are in a group like the Team of Destiny that focuses on building deep legs where the chances of someone getting to the 25% level have increased significantly.

I understand that you had trouble checking out prices on the quixtar site. You should try it again so you can see how easy it is and why I referred you there. I have no problem getting over that. I do have a problem when you say that I didn't help you out when I did and then you use it against me in a mean way. I am over it though and next time I just won't offer the help.

Jason, I read that page last time you posted it in an article on your blog. I am not here to debate about whether or not a Rich Dad existed, but I do stand by my comment that Robert Kiyosaki's set of books has helped me more than school has. My friend has a Masters in Business and I turned him onto Robert Kiyosaki and he wishes that he would have read his books before spending so much time in school.

Everybody I know that reads Robert Kiyosaki feels like they have learned a tremendous amount and are better off. I mean literally everybody. I have never heard a bad testimonial from someone I referred a Kiyosaki book to.

I am more successful now after applying principles that I learned from Robert Kiyosaki. I think he is a great author with a great set of books on financial education period. Nobody on here can tell me otherwise so a discussion of this won't go to far with me.

DF, before you post something that ignorant, you should read my comments below. I am not throwing around informal statistic I learned from any Quixtar meetings. The small business administration has stated that statistic themselves. Why is it so hard for you to believe that. Call them up and verify it if you want. They are the ones who made that claim.

Posted by: Chris | October 20, 2004 3:43 AM

Chris, if you were me, would you believe someone saying they have shown hundreds of plans and NOT ONE person thought the prices were too high? Come on man, give your head a shake.

IBO's that are presently involved have stated the prices are too high, and the percentage of people that attain the 25% off level is extremely low, so for most people you are showing this to, it's a non factor. As a matter of fact, I thought you proclaim the prices are so competitive to begin with. Why would you even have to bother showing another 25% off unless you were trying to make something seem not so bad?

Because the prices stink. That's why. + shipping inefficiencies make it not a competitive system. Sorry

I have been at work during the day and have not had the chance to call the business relations office to confirm your 800,000 number. The results supporting or contradicting your claim will be posted soon. Sorry for the delay.

Posted by: rocket | October 20, 2004 11:43 PM

Just got off of the phone with Randy at Business relations. He was very helpful and professional. I told him that I was speaking to a friend about this business and just wanted to get some information from him if I could.

I asked how many people were involved in North America, and he said he would not even be able to hazard a guess. He told me that Quixtar was a web-based business, and that it was affiliated with the Amway Corp. He told me there were 3 million distributors world wide, but there was no way that anyone could tell at a glance how many are involved in North America, or really even hazard a guess, due to people starting and resigning all the time.He made it very clear that I would be hard pressed to even locate someone within the company who would hazard a guess

As for your numbers Chris, I call B.S. You were speaking to a person at the order desk, basically. If the business support folks don't know the numbers, I find it very hard to believe that an order support staff member would have this at hand.

In any event, either you are lying, or she was.

BTW, what source did you not believe as for the 350,000 IBO's?

I must admit, I am surprised at the information you provided and its accuracy, knowing what I know now.

Posted by: rocket | October 21, 2004 12:51 PM

Rocket, I don't lie. So you can believe whoever you want. If I was wrong, the only thing that I might have been wrong on was that the total number might just have been IBO's, not including members and clients. I just assumed that since the number was so much higher than the stats that you critics use, that it must have included members and clients.

I think that the person I was talking on the phone with was transfered from business relations and might be part of the Quixtar legal division. If you were going to call again, maybe you would try to reach them.

I was trying to confirm numbers that I was hearing upline use so that I could back up my stats and I even remember them saying something about over 25,000 people registering per month. It might have even been as high as 35,000 per month.

I do know for a fact that I have seen corporate approved material that has shown that there were 750,000 registered and 25,000 registering per month. I do not have that material, but it was reviewed and had a content review number so Quixtar approved that statistic.

The bottom line is that it is not the most important statistic in the world right now, so it's not that big of a deal, but for the record, I did not make up that statistic.

Posted by: Chris | October 23, 2004 4:29 AM

"...I do not have that material, but it was reviewed and had a content review number so Quixtar approved that statistic...."

So basically you can say whatever you want, even if you cannot back it up with actual data as long as you can come up with where you heard it?

So now you think it was someone from business relations. You just remembered did you?

You said:

"I do know for a fact that I have seen corporate approved material that has shown that there were 750,000 registered and 25,000 registering per month. I do not have that material, but it was reviewed and had a content review number so Quixtar approved that statistic."

But you don't have it you say? Would you know where to get it? A stat that good must be on line somewhere, doncha think?

I don't think you should ask others for any supporting materials from now on. You obviously are not prepared to do so, and it would seem hypocrytical to do so.

Thanks for telling me I can think what I want, by the way. Your permission means a lot to me.

Posted by: rocket | October 23, 2004 5:43 PM

By the way, I thought you called because you'd found a number you didn't believe on a negative site:

"I called up business relations one day when I read a statistic that said there were 350,000 IBO's. I don't believe everything I read on negative websites, so I wanted to find out for myself.

I asked them what the total figures were and she said roughly 750,000 and growing by roughly 25,000 each month. That was earlier this year, in like March. This number will likely decline when people don't renew, and then grow again during the fiscal year."

And now you say you were trying to confirm stats your upline had?

"I was trying to confirm numbers that I was hearing upline use so that I could back up my stats and I even remember them saying something about over 25,000 people registering per month. It might have even been as high as 35,000 per month."

So which is it? I don't even want to think about how long your reply to this will be. You'll probably try telling me I've misunderstood you. I don't think I have.

I think it's pretty clear what's happened here (rhyme!)

Somebody's blowing smoke out of somewhere.

Posted by: rocket | October 23, 2004 6:02 PM

Haha, Rocket this is getting funny. On that call with business relations, I was on the phone for about 10 minutes. I asked many questions to try to get answers. I am like you in a way because I am skeptical of things so I want to find out for myself.

I also called to ask what the guidelines were for IBO's when it comes to advertising. They told me that they could advertise but they had to get the advertisements corporate approved. I am sure they are pretty tough on what they will approve, but they mentioned that they had some pre-approved advertisements for Exclusive products like Artistry that could be placed in newspapers and stuff.

I just call them every once in a while when I want to try to back up some information.

I can probably get my hands on some material that proves these statistics. It shouldn't be hard to get. So when I get a chance I will do that. I would like to know for myself so it is worth another call to them to find out.

So if I provide you proof can we move on from this subject or do you still want to give me a hard time?

Posted by: Chris | October 24, 2004 2:31 AM

Chris, can you call back and record the conversation (within the law - look it up) and send me the mp3?

Thanks.

Posted by: QBlog | October 24, 2004 7:39 AM

Yes, we can drop it, if you're willing to stay on the topic, which is the 800,00 IBO number that you attributed to the people at business relations, who COULD NOT, under any circumstances, validate that claim.

I don't recall asking about guidelines for advertising when it came to IBO's, nor do I care. Not relevant. Drop It.

If you were on the phone with them for 10 minutes and didn't get anything to support your claim, I guess my question would be,

"Why did you make that claim?"

You said:

"I would like to know for myself so it is worth another call to them to find out."

So you weren't sure to begin with? You said that this was true.

Oh what a tangled web we weave...........

Stay on the subject please. You're good at changing it.

Posted by: rocket | October 24, 2004 1:31 PM

QBlog, I will consider recording the conversation and sending it in. I am not sure though. Honestly I have never done that before. I will try to call on Monday.

Rocket, I am sorry that you are reading my posts the way you do and then misunderstanding them. My reason for calling back in is to find out why it is that I was able to get answers and information from them when I called, but not when you called.

This interests me, and I have more questions about why it is that Quixtar says they don't advertise but there are Google Adwords the direct people to Quixtar.com. I am going to find out if they are aware of that and what they think of it.

They don't have to tell me but maybe they will. Who knows, that is why I am interested in calling. Usually I just write down a few questions to ask them and then work the phones to try to talk to someone who has the answers. I have always been pretty good and getting answers to questions.

The tangled web that you are talking about can be looked at that way if you choose to, or you could look at it from the perspective that I am a genuine IBO just trying to add some perspective and answers to issues discussed on sites like this. That is all. I am not a liar, but if I am wrong in my facts, then I will admit it.

In this situation, I was told something and was repeating it. I told you my source, and I said that I was willing to provide proof if you wanted. You requested proof and so I will try to provide it. This should be a very simple conversation here so you don't need to spin it with tangled web comments that just create pointless dialogue and the need for repetitive comments like this.

Posted by: Chris | October 24, 2004 8:55 PM

Fine. Put Up, and I'll shut up.

I figured you'd come up with the old, "misunderstanding" line, I've already stated that I don't think I am misunderstanding. What I think is you avoid answering direct questions.

You brought forth the issue of 800,000 IBO's. You request others provide sources for the info they pass on. I was only responding the way you would.

"I have always been pretty good and getting answers to questions."

I'm not holding my breath waiting for your recording. I think my point has been made, which was you have no way of backing what you say. That's fine, you just needn't be asking it of others.

Posted by: rocket | October 24, 2004 11:30 PM

I called Quixtar Business Relations and they were very helpful, unlike the experience that you had. To be fair though, I did wait on hold for 10 minutes to talk with a live person. Here were the results.

They are going to get back to me with a total of how many existing people are registered with Quixtar. I am hoping to receive an email on that in the next couple of days.

I was able to get my hands on some material used by many diamond groups in the Yager organization that says that over 35,000 people register per month. I asked them to confirm this and they asked for the content review number and they did in fact approve that statistic. The content review number was CR#18794.

I had to make the phone call quick because I was in a hurry, but I wanted to make sure that I got some answers in response to our conversation. I will check back in when I get my email response to a couple of other questions.

Posted by: Chris | October 25, 2004 11:38 AM

Chris, are you on acid? Read my post regarding my call to Quixtar. I indicated right off the beginning that they were helpful.

If you could post a scan of CR#18794, that would be great! I'd love to see it.

Sorry about the acid comment, but don't put words in my mouth. You have enough trouble keeping track of what you say, don't bring me into that.

I look forward to seeing what you've indicated you can get. Thanks

Posted by: rocket | October 25, 2004 12:32 PM

Rocket, why is it that you read my post and assume the worst perspective of what I am saying every time. Of course I know that you felt the gentleman was helpful when you called, but I was referring to the part of the phone call when he said...

"there was no way that anyone could tell at a glance how many are involved in North America, or really even hazard a guess, due to people starting and resigning all the time. He made it very clear that I would be hard pressed to even locate someone within the company who would hazard a guess."

I wanted to call back to see why I was able to get informational help, but you were not. I even explained in the post below that this was why I was going to call them again, yet you read my comments and assume the negative view.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt here because it is hard to read words and fully understand what someone is trying to say, but I would also ask that you don't always assume the worst position with my comments, because I am trying to be helpful and it is hard when I have to take so much time to rebuttal useless attacks on my comments.

I will consider taking the time to scan this document for this blog.

The document quotes that there are hundreds of thousands of registered consumers, that over 35,000 people register per month, that the technology partners are IBM, Microsoft and Compaq, and that since Sept 1, 1999 IBO's have generated more than $3.1 billion and have earned over $950 million in bonuses and incentives. All of this was approved and was given a Content Review number from Quixtar.

This material also has bold text that shows corporate approved average incomes for levels from Platinum to Founders EDC and above, and it shows in bold print the approximate percentages of direct fulfillment IBO's of record in North America that have achieved the various levels of success in the calendar year ending December 31, 2003.

It also states in big letters what the average monthly gross income was for "active" IBO's.

I like material like this that is very forward so that a prospect sees this information before registering with the business. I think that in time, we will see organizations tighten up their materials to follow stricter legal guidelines from Quixtar.

Posted by: Chris | October 25, 2004 3:08 PM

Chris - as an aside...I am one of the IBOs that sent Rocket a copy of the pdf. price list that is available on the Quixtar website. That way, he could see for himself the prices the IBOs pay, the prices charged for non-IBOs, and the PV/BV associated with the items. THAT was helpful to him - not directing him to the site as a visitor when he knows (and you know darn well) he would not be able to view it from the perspective of 'the business.' BTW - I also agreed with Rocket that the prices, for the most part, were high. I also look for value, but I see no reason to pay $8 for shampoo when I can buy something just as good for $2, or $11 for moisturizing detangler (30 uses) when I can buy a HUGE bottle for $8 which lasts me 4 months - or $60 for an overnite moisturizer when there are many many excellent products on the market for under $20. And yes, they can be returned, without hassle, if I am not satisfied. Bottom line, MOST of the products are overpriced. Period.

Posted by: Disenchanted IBO | October 25, 2004 5:55 PM

Disenchanted,

I was not aware of a link that was available on Quixtar for that price list, but being that I wanted to still be able to help Rocket get some answers to his questions, I let him know he could check out retail prices himself by just visiting the website.

First of all, it is helpful to know that you can visit Quixtar directly if you want to price compare. Secondly, I offered him what information I had with a very rapid response to help him out. I would never hand out my password information, which is what was requested.

Then Rocket got upset with the information that I gave him. I just think that is a sour attitude. I am glad that you were able to help him get what he needed, but without seeing that form myself, I have no idea if it even helps with price comparison. It probably does but I have no idea.

As far as your thinking that the prices are too high, that is fine. I think that the grocery store down the street has prices that are too high but I still shop there. I think there are dozens of prices on the Quixtar site that are too high but there are many prices that I think are great. I just bought a new pair of shoes from Men's Wearhouse and I think I paid too much, but I still bought them.

The debate over prices is simple. They are reasonable and competitive. If you compare them to a discount buying club like Costco or Sams Club, then they don't even come close. If you compare them to a Nordstrom or 7eleven, then they do great. It is all perspective.

So as an IBO, you run a business so you are motivated to buy your own products, even if they are not as cheap as Costco. You don't buy everything, but you buy what you can.

Then as an IBO you want to generate some member/client/sales volume. I am doing fine in this department and so are the IBO's on my team. I do not know anyone that is having trouble selling the products to customers, unless they aren't trying.

For an IBO to sell to about 10 members and set them up on ditto delivery is not difficult, and that will generate them anywhere from 300-1000pv in personal volume per month.

Everybody can still shop from Costco, and just get a few of their products from Quixtar. I know people that can't stand Red Bull and order XS on ditto delivery and love it. Quixtar has a sports nutrition and supplement line that are selling very well to customers. As far as shampoo and conditioner, get it wherever you want. I have IBO's on the team that still do tons of shopping at costco, but are doing over 300pv personal volume per month, so they are doing fine with their businesses.

Posted by: Chris | October 25, 2004 6:30 PM

For the love of God. Chris I will be brief

"I will consider taking the time to scan this document for this blog."

OK, that's what I've been asking for, now you'll consider it? You are so helpful.

"Then Rocket got upset with the information that I gave him."

I was not upset over information you gave me, because you didn't give me any.

All I want to know, and all you have to reply to:

1. Scan the CR#18794. You said you won't have a problem getting it.

2. Validate your claim to 800,000 IBO's members and clients, or show me where it can be verified.

I don't want to get a big post reponse saying why the numbers are the way they are, and how IBO's can overcome it, and blah blah blah.

I just want you to prove what you state. That's all. Or is there a problem with that.

That's the reason my responses seem negative, because you do not provide the answers to the questions asked. You aren't negative, but you also produce nothing in the way of answers.

Am I being impatient? Does anyone out there think I have been impatient? Because I just want the simple answers to #1 and #2. That's all. Too much to ask?

Posted by: rocket | October 25, 2004 8:02 PM

No problem Rocket.

I do feel that you have been impatient because almost everyday you have continually asked me to verify these claims yet I have never said that I wouldn't.

My original statement 10 days ago was in a conversation with DF.

I said "The last estimates I heard were that there was around 800,000 IBO's, Members and Clients in North America and I would venture to say that the majority of them feel that the prices are fair."

You asked me to validate that claim.

30 minutes later you had a response from me validating where I heard that information. I even gave you the number to call for yourself. You called and had someone that could not help you with that information, so you claimed that either I was lying or the person I spoke with on the phone was lying. This was just a few days ago.

So I called back and got a definite answer that they approved material that states that over 35,000 people register per month. If you don't believe that, you can go off a voicemail that Ken Mcdonald has sent out where he states that over 25,000 people register per month. That was last year I think.

On this recent phone call they told me that they would email me about the 800,000 figure and so now I am waiting for an email response. Be patient if you want an answer on this.

You then made another request for me to scan some material that I have and email it to you. The reason I said I will consider this is because I do not own a scanner, and for me to do this would require me to go to the printers. This is not my top priority, so you may or may not get a scanned copy. I provided a Content Review number for proof since you do not have the material in front of you.

But aside from that, I doubt that anyone on here is even disputing the 35,000/mo figure. It is the 800,000 figure that is being questioned and for that I will need to wait for the email.

I hope that you can respect my effort to provide this information for you, and that you can be more respectul in your posts and not attack so much. I think that we can be more civilized on this blog and it will be a better resource for readers. So I will be in touch on this issue as soon as I hear back from business relations.

I feel that my responses have been swift and to get the answers that you want will take some patience. Thank You for being understanding.

Posted by: Chris | October 26, 2004 9:02 AM

Sure. I'll wait. All you had to say was you'd get the info, not that you'd consider sharing it.

I haven't been disrespectful, only because of the high regard I hold this Blog in.

I'm very anxious to see this 800,000 IBO claim and that many people signing up every month verified.

Posted by: rocket | October 26, 2004 12:34 PM

I have been in quixtar for 1 month. I know what the system is and what it does. I have learned from BWW learning and teaching products about how real buisnesses work in the world and how they make money. For you to make this "Quixtarblog" it not representing anything toward the quixtar company and its affiliates. You talk about links that are devode of any material and are just a void yet there are millions and millions of these on the internet weither it be Amazon.com or ebay.com or any online company. Okay about having a rebutle website for people who bash quixtar is irrelivante. For us to say, "No! Your wrong quixtar is good and your lieing." Is utterly stupid. Every buisness that starts out has people saying whats wrong with it and why it wont work. Or how its a scam. Its just people who either are ignorant and dont want to learn or people who have no idea what a buisness is. For us to go out and tell people they are wrong and that quixtar is right with websites or word of mouth is stupid. I would say, "Good day to you sir, have a nice life and quixtar is not for you." Quixtar doesnt need to defend itself because if this was a scam or had something bad in it people wouldnt be in it. Im not defending quixtar. Im shedding light to people who dont understand or who just want to say, "Oh that company is a scam because I think it is!" If people hate this company so much then why do they even bother talking about it. Quixtar has helped many many people including myself and i havent made a red cent yet. Failure rate for small buisness. Yes of course this is true, but in this buisness the only thing that can make you fail or hold you back is YOU! Quixtar just happened to be a smart buisness model that came out. And instead of spending 7.8 million dollars a day on advertisments (like cigarette companys) they were smart and said lets just pay the people who get into the buisness by word of mouth advertisment which is 100% more effective than billboards and such. Quixtar made 1.1 Billion dollars last year and gave 25% of that to its IBO's! I dont know about you, but someone giving me money just to tell other people and get them into this and save money because im buying products from my buisness, sounds really good to me! You can what if anything to death. But can you actually go in and find the goods and bads and see how they weigh each other out? If not then why are you looking at this buisness. If you think its a scam then its not for you simply put. Especially after people talk to you in person about it. And by the way, are you a cop or investigator because if not then why are you acting like one. If quixtar has screwed you over some how tell me and i will find out myself if its possible and if so why! I mean all this in the best way and manner of respect!

Posted by: James | December 7, 2004 6:29 PM

James,

Get a hold of the May 8, 2004 episode of Dateline and watch it. I think it might open your eyes.

Kevin

Posted by: Kevin | December 16, 2004 7:00 PM

James I agree with your comment as well. I have been with Quixtar for two years now and just like any other business it starts out slow and then you start receiving results. Its all based on your actions and what you are willing to put into it. Like you I have been to numerous sites just to see what they are saying about Quixtar. The people you see that are complaining are the ones who have not been putting in the work and so since it has failed for them they feel the need to broadcast their failure to the world. What other things in life have you failed at that they are not posting on websites. I think all the energy they are putting into promoting negativity you could have probably built an impeccable business of your own. I am going to stop reading this junk. I understand the need to help others from life experience but come with some correctness when expressing yourself. I dont understand how those who have been with amyway carry it over into quixtar that has improved its system over the years. Just like anything you have a beginning which may not start out too great until you get the kinks and bugs out and later on it progresses into something spectacular. I also notice that many of the stories that are listed on the sites are out of date. Since Bill Britt has resigned I have not seen anymore news about our business. Maybe he could have been the problem, but now what other source do you have to talk about? NOTHING! I have seen my upline and others in my upline succeed in this business at the Platinum levels, get their wives free, seen and been to their homes and seen their lifestyles. It is not a fantasy, it is REAL! So what it did not work out for you but for some reason you feel the need to blaspheme your failure to the world and FOR WHAT! That is one of the characteristics listed in the bible that God does not like. You need to change your destiny before it is too late. Peace and much blessings!

Posted by: Kim | January 3, 2005 11:43 AM

Quixtar is a scam. Why waste your life doing nothing productive and ulitmately hurting others by encouraging them to join a business cult.

Posted by: MLMTRUTH | April 3, 2005 12:06 AM

wow, I had no idea this type information was out here. My brother has been in Amway for more than 15 years now. I see so much of the comments, the stats, the "lines" that was used on him and that he uses on others in just the few posts that I have read. It is a reminder to me that you can take most facts about a subject and make what you want out of them.

While it is true that he has made substantial amounts of money in any given year through his business, it is also true in that same year the vast majority (if not more) of that money went into travel, paying fees for people to go to seminars (or whatever they are called), paying for samples, etc, etc. and thus means a net of zero or very little hard dollars.

Many years ago now I finally agreed to go to one of these meetings (to get him off my back). When the meeting went over about an hour what I was promised I would have to spent I finally got up to leave. It was only after being called out by the speaker AND having to force my way through the current members (they were lined up along the way in front of all the doors) was I able to leave. It certainly was a experience that I wanted to be involved in further.

But, as has been said to each his own. Obviously a lot of money goes into these businesses, so someone is getting it (although I don't feel it is the average joe). It is a simple thing to consider -- A business model that is build on gathering others to make money is doomed to fail. So what happens when everyone is in "the business"?

Posted by: OrphanedBrother | April 6, 2005 4:31 PM

Hey guys just had someone trying to recruit me told me that people were making 700,000 easy without putting in the hours. Also told me that some kid she knew was retiring the day he graduated from college. Decided prob should look quixtar up online. Well found a bunch of sites and you guys thanks im gonna call the person back and tell them im not coming to their "meeting" also did u know they ship 10 million energy drinks every 3 days?

Posted by: Steve | April 13, 2005 2:40 AM

Was in Quixtar for three years ( even now am a redundant IBO in the fourth ).

If you are an IBO, you may not realize how the inner system works. Explicitly everything that is thought by BWW and your Uplines will remain true. Just the truth. But, implicitly, if you analyze and ask uncomfortable questions to your Uplines, your mind / brain will start thinking of issues / concerns / dislikes, etc, that you never questioned or deliberated upon before.

You never deliberated or questioned earlier for the following reasons:

1. Your Uplines told you in Open Meetings, Regional Seminars, Mega Functions, and Tapes NOT to analyze or research because it will lead you to nowhere. You probably would have heard the joke from your Uplines "A man lost his flight because he tried to analyze his weight while the flight departed".

2. You heard a zillion times to be "Submissive". You need to be submissive and I believe it helps in all walks of life, especially to someone who wants to go up in life. However, there is a limit to remain submissive and silent. Your Uplines do so many things which you don't see until you reach a Silver or Platinum level. Look, if you are not reached atleast a Platinum level, can you see your Upline Platinum's volume? You cannot. Contrarily Quixtar allows your Uplines to see not only your volume but all your downline volumes also. If a downline lady buys a sanitary napkin, your Upline Platinum knows what brand she likes!

Here's one more that you may have never questioned:

Your Upline Platinum or higher, places bulk orders of motivational books like, Eat the Frog, Rich Dad Poor Dad, Quixtar Price is right, etc. Have you examined who the Publisher is? Some of the BWW recommeded books are published by Dreamhouse publishing. Search Google for dreamhouse publishing and check the site for the same book. It clearly states, members can get upto 25% discount. So, who gets it in BWW? Have you ever thought or questioned this? Your Uplines pocket the upto 25% discount. Is n't that immoral? May not if you are in business. I will accept this only if Uplines OPENLY tell the downlines that they get a share on your Book purchases, your Open meeting attendance, your function ticket purchase, your room sharing with another IBO, etc. BWW kinda matches a dollar for a dollar for Diamonds. I don't know the equation for lower levels but they also get a cut. Do you know how this cut is given? In the open meetings you only heard "there are 1 to 10 different ways of making money. we will only tell you the first 4 different ways of making money". If someone asked what the other ways are, the answer is "Sit with the person who got you here today and he'll explain. I don't have the time to go through all of those now". So, you never sit with the person who invited you. If you did, he would say "Don't worry. Even I don't know". What's your recourse after you become an IBO? Zero. You can't ask your Uplines. If you did,they would HINT "can't work with IBOs who give problems"!

Tommorrow if you qualify as a Platinum you will share the booty but you will need to do exactly ( or duplicate ) as your Uplines did. First they steal and then they expect you to do the same.

You will not know such hidden falacies until you reach a level or you have been with Quixtar for several years.

3. Hey! How do you know that your Uplines are not contacting your downlines and stealing their volume from you? Possible right? Have you thought of it before? Your Upline tells you "I will build you 2 or 3 model legs". So when you bring someone new into your business under you, your Upline Platinum steps in and asks you to leave that new leg to his / her care, and wants you to go find new legs. He tells you to add width and that he will drive depth. And he does drive depth, but what you dont know is somewhere in depth he finds a person whom he can make as his own "CLIENT" and not your downline IBO. CLIENT volume is big time money for the Platinums and above. There STEAL downline volumes to meet to get the $2700 volume based income. Else, when one of their downlines goes Platinum, the Uplines income would reduce to a 4% of the new downline Platinum which is about $800 per month. So to keep the $2700 coming in every month, they will try to pilfer your downline volume to theirs, plus, they will delay your growth significantly until they have grown large enough to sustain their volume to get their $2700 every month. This is somewhat like making a "Ruby" volume. It gets you your 4% of downline platinum's volume plus it also ensures your $2700 every month.

4. You have heard this a Zillion times "You can return a product that you buy from Quixtar upto six months. Which shop or dealer lets you return products for 189 days"? And "Does Wal-Mart allow you to return a product after 30 days"? "Quixtar allows you. If your wife uses her Lipstick to its very end, and then calls Quixtar on the 180 day to return, they will refund your full money back" says your Upline.

Did your Upline tell you that once you by a product and if you return it, you must buy something from Quixtar to cover up the negative PV? Yes he did! But he did not tell you that you are bound to buy. You know why? Because you got a bonus from Quixtar for that month! The bonus binds you to buy again and again even if you return again and again. Quixtar takes your money and gives you a bonus. When you return, Quixtar expects you to buy something else since they paid you a tiny bonus! Go return a product at Wal-Mart they don't ask you to repurchase for the credited amount. So, your money with Quixtar is a goner! You buy a product, next month you get a PV related bonus. You return it, a negative PV shows up on your statement and you get a CALL from your Upline asking you to buy something else.

Wake guys. Look deep into Quixtar and BWW activities. Start asking questions and do not take it lying down from your Uplines. Have some courage and analyze your thoughts. If after all these, if you still feel like being an active IBO, go for it. If not, run. It's ok to hide behind the bushes and watch so long as you are not ripped off anymore!

Posted by: GotCheatedIBO | April 13, 2005 4:02 AM

3,000 policemen have been convicted of rape; 7,000 accountants commited tax fraud last year, and former President Clinton had an affair with an intern. Does that mean we should get rid of all police, accountants, and the White House? In any group, business, or organization you're going to find people who do bad things. I'm sorry if any of you got screwed by someone involved with Quixtar, but that had nothing to do with Quixtar. Quixtar is a business, nothing but a supplier of products. And I really have to question how often those things happen, cause I've NEVER personally seen anything remotely shady. Let me address a few issues. Yea, your upline Platinum gets a % of the books and CD's you buy. Did you go to college? Did you buy books? Who makes the money there? Is college a scam? Ever been forced to buy a book for a class that was written by the guy teaching the class? And ever been forced to buy a book that you never even used in the class?! Then you sell it back for 1/10 the cost and then they resell it for full price!! But no one calls That a scam! In my line of sponsorship, no one has ever forced me to buy a book, a CD, go to a seminar, or stolen a client from my downline. The overwhelming majority of the people in this business are friendly, helpful, ethical people. I've never had an upline steal anyone from me, and I've even sponsored people in depth that I could have in width, but didn't, to help a friend on my team. I've even helped people get in the business on someone else's team! If you're reading this and are thinking about taking a look at the biz, even to get your friend off your back, do not be influenced by the people who are blasting Quixtar on here. Quixtar is a legitament business. Its a level playing field. No one promises you anything. If you do the work, and create the volume, the money is there. If you open a pizza store and don't sell any pizzas, you're not gonna make any money. Does that mean that Pizza places are a scam? No! Does everyone in Quixtar make alot of money? Does everyone who goes to college graduate? Does eveyone who gets a job in corporate America make a lot of money, or even have any guarantee of a job on Monday? There are no guarantees, life is a risk. But this business is a legitmate way to take some non-productive hours, and put it toward building a business, that can create another stream of income. And yes, Paul really is gonna retire when he graduates, but he ain't no kid - he's a man!

Posted by: Tony C | May 5, 2005 5:05 PM

Tony C, this whole google bombing is not one or two bad apple, it's the corp.

And on other note, quixtar corp is fully behind tool abuses by enforcing BSMAA etc. There is enough proof of that documented in amquix.info and MOD. Dateline is a great example.

All the policeman and accountat: They lose their job over the stuff.

Not so in Quixtar. Read dexter yager case. He sexually assaulted a Quixtar employee and that employee lost her job.

Can you answer me this?

Posted by: Imran Aziz | June 2, 2005 5:31 AM

Network marketing is not a very unique concept. Businesses network all the time. Alliances are made among businesses to support products and services. For example a business alliance between AOL and Coke was beneficial to both and bolstered the images of both companies. Quixtar creates alliances between people and the success of an IBO’s business is determined by the success of his down line. Now does the individual IBO have the leadership skills, the passion, and the drive to create and maintain his down line? maybe not but that is where the system comes in and that is by teaching people practical leadership skills and instilling belief and desire; these supporting companies that provide the books and tapes are able to create loyal IBOs and some how this loyalty builds wealth. As your self when the last time anyone of you made money off of buying Nike shoes. Of course the supporting tools cost money; people pay thousands of dollars to go to college and get a great job. If you want to be successful at network marketing you need to buy your own marketing tools and materials and support, just like any other business. Traditional business owners don’t bitch and complain and that is because this expense is a tax write off and eventually leads to a profit. So folks, network marketing is something you do on the side while you have a job and if you make a few bucks great and if you make it rich even better. Check it out. Visit me at www.nutritionandmore.net and enter password "freedom". People fail in business not because of the business but because they don’t know how to run it properly. Thank you.

Posted by: Mohammed | July 12, 2005 6:31 AM

Man, you are one confused cat.

Quixtar keeps getting its name dragged through the mud and with more people going online now-a-days its only natural for them to use the net for their own good. There is no other company that endures such crap in any format.

Let them use the net to stay alive - its not like they started a quixtar-drop-out-bashing site. And they are not spreading false information either.

Posted by: Lance | November 30, 2005 6:35 AM

Most of you people have nothing to better with your days. Get a life!!!

Posted by: Chris | December 16, 2005 3:07 PM

I would like all the future millionaire wannabe posters, to post back in a year or 2 with their financial progress report.
Aaahahahahhahaaaa, will they laugh all the way to the bank? WHO WILL?

Posted by: PT Barnum is right again! | February 18, 2006 6:13 AM

I'm up for it. I'm at 1500 PV now. I might not go diamond in two years, but I'm sure I'll get t a decent level doing this part time.

Posted by: Combden Downline | April 14, 2006 7:54 PM

I'm up for it too. 6000pv and growing.

Emerald 2008!

Posted by: Luis | May 29, 2006 2:13 PM