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October 13, 2004
New Quixtar BLOG Shop
By QBlog in
Announcing the new Quixtar BLOG shop powered by Cafe Press. This is a real store, selling real products to real people. It's run by Cafe Press, a pioneer in on-demand manufacturing for the e-commerce generation. I design the products and Cafe Press produces them, process the orders and ships them to the customer. Since 1999 individuals and small businesses have been using Cafe Press to sell T-shirts, coffee mugs, bumper stickers and much more.
How It Works
Cafe Press sets a base price for all products. Each shop owner then sets a retail
price over that base price and keeps the difference. In order to preserve the
non-profit spirit of this blog, all proceeds from every sale will be used to
support this site. Any extra money will be donated to the EFF
(see Supporting
Quixtar BLOG).
The Message
The messages on the merchandise are completely satirical, designed to tickle
the funny bone. Those with a sense of humor will probably laugh, those without
one may spend the next few minutes doing whatever humorless folks do when confronted
with old-fashioned satire.
And I'm always looking for new ideas and am open to suggestions. If you have a great idea for a product, tell me about it and I'll design it and add it to the shop. Or you could design it yourself and start your own Cafe Press shop. It's easy and free.
So please check out the new Quixtar BLOG Shop and tell me what you think. And remember, Quixtar BLOG schwag makes a wonderful Christmas gift. ;o)
Comments
Yes, brilliant. But does he offer ditto delivery?
Way to go Qblog!
I would have been happy to see you launch your clothing line with both anti and pro quixtar gear, but it is obvious where you stand with this site and you views. Too bad because I thought that the site would have had a better future if it covered both sides in a fair manner, but unfortunately it looks like you don't feel the same way.
I do think that for an anti-Quixtar site you do a good job and your clothing line is great, but I was under the impression that you were not taking sides with this blog, but just posting about topics within the business that you found interesting. I guess I was wrong. Too bad.
I have been too busy lately to be active on the blog or forum. I have tried to keep up and at least read the blog, but when I saw this, I had to comment. This is an awesome idea, very funny. Thank you Qblog.
Give it time chucklehead and while you're waiting, grow a sense of humor. BAH!
O Chris boy! I'd LOVE it you come in forum. Lets make this forum neutral.
Chris,
Don't IBOs have motivational schwag of their own?
"Quixtar RULES!"
"Not a Broke Loser!"
"No need to ask, I'll tell you all about it!"
"Got MLM?"
"My pin is bigger than your pin."
Come on - you must get SOMETHING when you go to all those meetings and rallies.
BTW, how is "QBlog SUCKS" not fair and balanced?
How about the old HUB caps that used to sell under the Michaels line when we were in Amway. (early-mid 90s) You know, a black baseball cap with H.U.B on it with a red square around it and a slash through it? Anybody else remember those? They stood for "NO Head Up Butt". They used a square instead of a circle so they could copyright the image supposedly.
I guess using the international symbol of hate (red circle with slash) would have left them open to copycats.
How about some of the t-shirts they used to sell at the functions too? I should go through the stuff we have and see if I can find any of my wife's t-shirts she bought rom them back then.
PJ, I don't have a problem with QBlogs clothing idea. I have run cafe press items several times, and I think that it's a great idea and he is capitalizing on a trend. This is smart business.
Quixtar will grow much, much larger than it is today, and to capitalize on the negative fallout is not a bad idea. If I was anti-quixtar I would do the same thing. I think that Bo Short is doing a great job capitalizing on this trend as well.
My issue is that I was under the impression that QBlog was more neutral lately and so I was surprised at this one-sided move.
"QBlog Sucks" is not a neutral item. Many companies use that slogan to market their brand just like "Got MLM". It is creative marketing and I give QBlog a thumbs up on the move and if I was in his position I would do it to. I think as his site gets more popular he will actually sell a lot more of it.
As far as joining the forum, I am not really into it. The goal of many of the critics in there is to talk potential and existing IBO's out of the business, and they are pretty forward about that goal. I don't see much room for good dialogue in there, but I do see the opportunity to comment on QBlogs posts and hear decent discussion on the topics. That's just my opinion.
By the way, I personally wouldn't buy gear that had phrases that were negative towards another persons company. I would however consider buying positive uplifting motivational items, so I hope to see some of those on QBlogs store and he might just get some sales from some pro-Quixtar IBO's.
QBlog wrote:
"Give it time chucklehead and while you're waiting, grow a sense of humor. BAH!"
I've heard this so many times from Quixtar IBOs right after they'd done something egregiously inappropriate, and I tried to tell them that.
Any time someone makes a joke at someone else's expense, you've added more hurt into the world and taken out some joy.
I don't remember you laughing when IBOs were calling you "broke loser" or that type of comment. My understanding was that the reason that you started this blog was to show how hurtful these comments were.
You seem to be turning into the mentality of the people that you felt oppressed you, but you're coming at it from the other side. It's too bad that you don't seem to see that. But it does explain a little of why IBOs don't see the hurtful things they're doing either--I suppose people get blinded by the cause, whatever the cause may be.
My hope is that both sides start to realize that they're hurting other people and hopefully to find a way to peace.
Ambivalent
Job opportunity: a bouncer to bounce some stupid ppl.
Qblog is NOT capitalizing on any Quixtar related business idea. He is just running a blog and trying some idea to support it. Even IBOs have supported this blog before and they are STILL supporting it. And how do I know, it's ALL here. He has RETURNED additional funds, ppl have confirmed. And all money goes to support THIS blog where WE post. Or EFF. It is CLEARLY stated.
Call this site negative, positive, electron, and proton, whatever. But if you accuse some one that s/he is making profit off it, prove it! Or better yet, admit you need slaps on the head for being a lair.
Ambivalent my humorless friend
I am obscenely self-deprecating and yes, I'm a broke loser. I loved the QRush blog before it took a nasty, personal turn, because it was so damn funny. That PBlog site is pretty clever and funny and not nasty.
Yes, I'm a witless moron. I'm a broke loser. I suck. Whatever. Satire is a beautiful thing when done properly. You want to see me frustrated? Put me in a room full of humorless stiffs.
It's satire. Learn it. Live it. Love it.
... and one more thing....
You obviously have a short memory. If you followed this blog as closely as you claim you would have remembered me laughing uproariously at being called a broke loser. In fact, I'm so broke I can't even pay attention.
Chris, anti-Quixtar is not a trend. People have been upset with it since the 70's.
A trend is fluorescent clothing, acid washed jeans, the sort of thing that comes and goes. As long as Quixtar continues to allow the AMO's to do what they're doing, that sentiment will always be there.
I read that there are roughly the same number of distributors since the 70's in Amway. Hasn't grown much at all. I don't believe it will either. (high prices - hello)
I also don't know of any Co. that has an ad saying Company X Sucks. Do you know one, Chris?
Love it, love it love it!
Don't know which is better, the "Lousy" T-shirt or the "QBlog Sucks" T-shirt.
Brilliant.
Poe :)
To make fun of yourself is a good idea. This humor is often the best. Here are just a couple of links from 2 sites I know of that use this humor as well.
http://www.cafepress.com/bradsucks/
http://www.sucksskateboards.com/manifesto.php
There are many t-shirts that have logos where someone will make fun of something they like. I know that Sucks Skateboards has shirts that say "Skateboarding Sucks" and pro skateboarders wear them. Shirts like that are actually cool.
Anti-Quixtar is a trend. Quixtar launched in 1999 and before then, that name was literally unheard of. It is rapidly becoming a buzzword throughout the nation and more and more people are learning of the company.
As more and more people learn about Quixtar, you will see a heavy increase in search engine traffic on related terms.
Sites that are positioned well will get thousands of visitors each day from these terms.
If a site sold pro-Quixtar related gear, and was positioned as well as QBlog's, it would do very well.
I think that there is an untapped market for anti-Quixtar merchandise, and QBlog is first to market, or at least first that I know of.
According to one of QBlog’s statistic trackers, this blog was receiving around 1000 unique visitors per month around June of last year. Now the site does well over 20,000 unique visitors per month, and I would venture to say that if he can keep his top3 Google position for the term "Quixtar" that he can double and triple those numbers over the next year.
The fact is that there are more and more people that are surfing the net for info on the business, and sites like this that are put together well will attract in those researchers, retain them, and potentially add them to the numbers of those that quit the business.
That is great for you guys, but I think it is sad that an IBO will put in hard work in their business, ready to get things rolling, and then visit a site like this and get fed negative information that I don't think is even accurate.
That is why I take some time to point a different perspective because all the critics on here get together and blast the business and a visitor gets overwhelmed with negative and might end up believing you that they won't succeed.
I am well researched with Quixtar and I believe it is a great opportunity and people can succeed if they stay focused and don't get distracted by the many misleading comments and posts made sites like this.
I will agree that some of them are true, and that many IBO's have had bad experiences, but I do not personally know of any IBO's that are experiencing anything close to most of the stuff discussed on here. And I know hundreds and hundreds of IBO's.
You guys are literally "stealing their dreams" because you are discouraging them from building their business. I just think that it is wrong to talk someone out of chasing their dreams and their desire to have a better lifestyle.
I know that freedom of speech is awesome and you totally have the right to your opinions, it is just sad to see people get sucked into your pessimistic negativity towards the business and the opportunity for financial freedom in general.
Rip apart these comments all you want, but I am a voice for thousands of IBO's that feel the same way.
But it is funny right? You're not denying the humor.
Also, the messages are not anti-Quixtar.
QBlog wrote:
"Ambivalent my humorless friend"
You don't know me that well.
QBlog wrote:
"Yes, I'm a witless moron."
At least we agree on something. ;)
QBlog wrote:
"It's satire. Learn it. Live it. Love it."
Satire done well rocks. So far, I haven't seen any of it here. Most of what I've seen here is defensiveness labelled as a joke.
Ambivalent
Fair enough Ambivalent. So let's see your boffo satire.
Can't deny the humor QBlog. My comments have been serious so the approval of the humor did not show. And for the record, although I disagree with what you and other critics stand for, I also respect you greatly for your ambition and your intelligence. You would be a great asset on the pro-quixtar front. I could see you one day creating a great anti-quixtar following and possibly starting up your own network marketing company that stands for everything that the critics are for, but doesn't have anything that they critics are against. Hypothetically you could create the "perfect" opportunity. Kind of like what Bo Short is trying to do.
As for debating the issues, I will continue to voice my opinion when I can. This helps give the critics something to argue against instead of everyone just agreeing with eachother. And I would hope that when I start up my blog that some anti-quixtar folks will stop by and keep me on my toes as well...
Chris, you do have discussion bug don't u? y not the forum then?
Btw count on me, i'll link ur blog and contribute on it. I have a lot of love for online IBOs.
Chris, I will be in like Flynn if you start a Blog.
I get what you're saying about how this type of site may get rid of people who could do well at it. You feel that would be a shame.
I think that it's a fair statement to say that it will do more for people's finances to check these sites out before getting involved. Then those people have nothing to be upset over, since they lost nothing.
See? Anti-Quixtar sites actually IMPROVE your PR! Soon nobody will have lost anything because they didn't join, and nobody will have cause to be negative over it!
Amway/Quixtar will have it made in the shade in around 2050.
Hang in there!
Chris said: I will agree that some of them are true, and that many IBO's have had bad experiences, but I do not personally know of any IBO's that are experiencing anything close to most of the stuff discussed on here. And I know hundreds and hundreds of IBO's.
What are you saying, we all are lying? Have u looked who are the members of this forum?
Chris only wants to discuss things that benefit his recruiting efforts. He has yet to conceed to a negative point about "his business".
So Chris, how long have you been involved?
How many people do you have in your downline? And how much was your last check?
I am sure we are all open to you extolling the virtues of the biz, so let's do it with some numbers this time.
Thanks!
One thing is real funny, somebody brought it to my attention. How is this merchandise anti-quixtar? Where is the word Quixtar? NO where.
Sorry MO, I meant anti-mlm. It is just that QBlog is running a "Quixtar Blog" and offering merchandise that is primarily anti-mlm. One could easily draw a conclusion that it was gear not positive towards Quixtar, but negative towards the industry as a whole.
I have discussed issues I do not like about the business, but my personality type is not one that focuses on the negative attributes of something, but on the positive. I have an evaluation of the business opportunity, and I find more good then bad in the opportunity, and not enough bad for me to stop pursuing the business.
I am a republican as well, and I disagree with many democrats, and I love to discuss issues, but you will very rarely hear me talk about what's wrong with their beliefs, but more about why I believe in what I do. I have the same attitude towards this business.
I am not trying to recruit any visitors from these blogs. The only person that I have been in contact with is QBlog because he has emailed me. I would not be interested even if someone wanted to join my organization as a client, member or IBO. I would tell that person to contact the company directly for that.
I have been involved at least as long as the launch of Quixtar. I have many people in my downline and that number changes weekly. My last check was very nice and I have stated in the past that I am currently earning a 5 figure income from my business. That could be $99,999 or $10,000. I will leave the wondering up to you.
Since I am making no effort to recruit anyone from this blog, I see no reason for me to pass personal or business financial information around the internet. Why don't some of you critics post up all your personal financial information on the internet and build up a case as to why what you offer is better.
Mo, I never suggested that anyone is lying, but I think that much of what I hear is one-sided and misleading. This happens on both sides by the way. I am just saying that my experience with the business is not like the majority of the negative stuff I hear on the net, so it might be true for them, but not true for me.
Many visitors to these blogs leave with a negative feeling towards the business and their organization and the industry in general, when I think it is a great industry and there are great organizations and they have a good chance for success unlike you would lead them to believe.
Probably the biggest problem I have is the way that the critics use the statistics to try to prove that the business won't work for people. The reality is that the business will work for anyone who chooses to work it, and so the odds for my success are in my control, not some statistics control. It's not like I am playing the lottery. But that is how most negative critics make it seem.
There are many parts of the business that I do not like, but I can name things I don't like about almost any job or topic for that matter.
I don't like the poor job done on the Quixtar web initiative. I wish that I could have been part of that team when they launched that initiative because there were much better ways to got about things. But at the same time, I am glad that they finally decided to do something about it. So it is both positive and negative in a way.
I don't like every single tape that comes through the standing order system, but I know that there are people in my organization that will benefit from that same tape I don't like, and so again, we are dealing with both positive and negative.
This is what I find about most issues that are presented here. There is usually a positive side and a negative side, and because of the lack of pro-Quixtar content (real content) on the net, many researchers will only get a negative view of the business.
So there you go. Something that I dislike about the opportunity is that they don't always take the time to put up the positive side of many of the issues that IBO's are hearing on the internet, and so the job is left to upline and to IBO's like myself that take the responsibility on ourselves.
The problem with guys like me is that I do not have access to the answers for many of the things discussed because I am limited in my resources for information, so it makes sense that this would be better handled on a company level.
The company wouldn't have to answer everything, but it would be nice to see some up to date responses to perspectives on the tool business, success rates, and so on.
IBO's like myself are also limited because when we register we sign a contract which somewhat limits our ability to post information on the internet about Quixtar. That is one of the reasons I use an alias on this site and don't give out personal information.
That is also why I do not have my own blog yet, because I want to make sure that it would be corporate approved so that I was doing things right. I hope that these points make sense to you and I am sorry it was so long.
Chris:
Why are you so cryptic? You're ambuguity only leads other people to think that you aren't telling the whole truth.
So let's get the specifics--how many people, and average revenue, etc.
You'll be doing everyone a service, mostly for yourself & your position on this blog.
Chris, I admire yur optimism, however, you are mistaken when you say that you are in control of your success.
Your prices are too high, you cannot control that. Therefore, you have a finite market, which is small in comparison to a company who offers cheaper prices (of which there are many)
You said, "I am limited in my resources for information", yet claim its your company and that you have control over it. No you don't. Sorry.
Not many people will do Quixtar when they find out its Amway. You cannot control that.
For the record, I for one do not believe that you are truly making a 5 figure income from AmQuix. I might have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.
Good Luck to you Chris.
Rocket,
I don't personally care whether you believe me or not. That is up to you. But that just shows me that no matter what I say, that you think that I am a liar, and so my points can probably never be true for you. I have no reason to lie about stuff on here.
I AM in control of my business and I own another business as well and I am in control of that one too. Of course both businesses use price signals to determine the price of the products/services, and I feel that both do a good job.
Our prices are not too high Rocket and that is just YOUR opinion. For every person that you can get to say they are too high, I can find a hundred that would say they are fair.
Quixtar's products and services break down into 3 main categories:
1) Partner Stores - For all of the partner stores, you get a better deal by shopping through Quixtar than if you went directly to the partner store. You get the same exact price, except as a member you get Q-Credits which you can redeem for free stuff, and as an IBO you get pv/bv which you get paid cash on at the end of the month.
2) Quixtar Exclusives - These are products that can only be bought from the Quixtar site, so there is no real way to get an accurate price comparison. All you can do is compare related products but not the exact same product, so the only thing to judge would be whether or not the prices were reasonable, which they are. Some cost less than competition, and some cost more. Some are equal but generally they are priced fair.
3) Store for More - Let's include in this category all of the products on the Quixtar site that can also be found somewhere else online or offline. Items like Levi's Jeans or Kellogs cereal. Again you can find these products cheaper or more expensive depending on where you shop, but they are reasonable prices.
You are fixated on this idea that only companies with the cheapest products will do well with their business. Quixtar does not offer the best prices, but they do not offer the worst. Not many people drive around town comparing prices on every single thing they buy, they just want to pay a fair price that they think is worth it.
For IBO's, shopping at Quixtar is far better than Costco because Costco does not offer opportunity to generate income like Quixtar does. So the only argument is for potential members and clients. In my town we have a Costco and a Safeway very close to eachother. I know dozens of people that do their shopping at Safeway, when it would be cheaper to buy it at Costco. In many cases, Quixtar is a better shopping solution than Costco.
Quixtar has a larger selection of products than Costco.
Quixtar has more of a reach to potential than Costco currently does.
You save more time by shopping at Quixtar than at Costco.
Quixtar offers the opportunity to earn income and Costco does not.
The Quixtar membership is much less than Costco's membership.
Your argument that I do not have control over the success of my own company is silly. Of course I have control over the success of my own company. My company promotes Quixtar's products and services, and because of that, I adhere to Quixtar's guidelines. If I owned a franchise like McDonalds those guidelines would be much stricter.
I am not limited in my resources of information about my company. I was saying that I am limited in my resources for information about other IBO's and their businesses and about Quixtar because they are a privately held company and so they are not required to release the information to the public.
DF, I was being sarcastic if you couldn't tell. I was asked how many people I had in my organization and I answered "many". That is a true answer with a hint of sarcasm. I have stated many times that I am not going to disclose my business information to be scrutinized on the internet and if you can't accept that... Tough.
I know nothing about you or why I should trust you with my information or why I should give it to you. Why should you have any more credibility on this blog than I do? We are both guests that add comments to QBlogs posts. Why do you need to know how many people I have in my organization or what pin level I am at, or which LOS I am in?
If you don't want to read my comments because you don't know the exact number of people in my organization, then don't respond to my comments and don't read them. Just skip right over them.
How does one save time shopping at Quixtar vs. Costco? That makes no sense at all.
Case 1: I run out of toothpaste. I drive 15 minutes to Costco, spend 10 minutes in the store, drive 15 minutes back - 40 minutes, I have solved the toothpaste problem.
Case 2: I run out of toothpaste. I sign onto Quixtar, spend 5 minutes online, sign out and wait 4-5 days for my toothpaste. 4 days and 5 minutes, I have solved the toothpaste problem.
Case 3: I never run out of toothpaste. I have ditto delivery from Quixtar. I have done a hit-or-miss analysis over the past 3-4 months on how much toothpaste I use, so I order ahead of time. 3-4 months, I have solved the toothpaste problem forever. But, I could have made 2160 trips to Costco during that time.
Now I need a new toothbrush. Where will I go?
QBlog wrote:
"Fair enough Ambivalent. So let's see your boffo satire."
I wasn't suggesting that I could do great satire. But I've seen some great things on the net.
This page has some amusing moments: http://mama.indstate.edu/users/bones/WhyIHateWebLogs.html
Some of the interesting nuggets of wisdom are near the end, so hopefully you can read through the whole thing.
Did you 'get it'?
One of the problems that I have with satire on this blog is that so much of the information here is 'over the top', so how do I know which is serious and which is satire?
I've been discussing a point with you before where I thought you had started out with a serious topic and somewhere in the middle, you say that I should take it as a joke. Is it all just a big joke? Should we take none of what you say seriously here? If so, you might want to say that in the beginning of the blog. Then when you talk about Dyson or lawsuits against Quixtar or other information, we'll know that you were just joking about its validity and seriousness.
Your site reminds me of some religious parody sites that are having difficulty coming up with new material because the real religious sites are more outrageous than they could imagine.
Ambivalent
Porkchopjim wrote:
"How does one save time shopping at Quixtar vs. Costco? That makes no sense at all."
An interesting analysis. But unless you're sitting and waiting for your toothpaste and can do nothing else because you haven't brushed your teeth, your comparisons are not valid.
In the first case, you spent 40 minutes dedicated to the problem. In the second case, you spent 5 minutes and in the third case, you spent 0 minutes. That's a case for Quixtar.
Wait time doesn't count because you could be doing things that are more productive with your time (ie, making money) during your wait.
Ambivalent
See, that's funny. That's good satire AND my reaction is to embrace it. I'm not going to put it down because it's funny, uses humor to point out what's wrong with Blogs. *Hands clapping*
I have a sense of humor. Do you?
Ambivalent,
No, it is not hands down Quixtar: 40 minutes vs. 4 days vs. 4 months. All the time counts. Regardless of whether I can do something else without brushing my teeth (how does STP go with grimy teeth?), it is a consumable that I need on a pretty immediate basis. Your logic is faulty, and my example is pretty open about 'hidden costs.' It bewilders me to see how people think they make a profit because they get a check in the mail - or how ordering everyday consumables through the mail is saving time.
Chris
"For every person that you can get to say they are too high, I can find a hundred that would say they are fair."
OK, I think they're too high, that's one. Now you show me a hundred people that think the prices are fair. One of the IBO's that emailed me with a link to prices thinks they're too high. Now you owe me 200. Think you can do that? I know you can't. Get real.
Costco doesn't provide the opportunity to generate income....... Neither does Amway/Quixtar apparantly. What's the average income per year per IBO? Oh right, that's AVERAGE. Everyone in Quixtar is above average.
I don't think that companies with the cheapest prices succeed, I think those that offer value for the product or service will succeed. Amway/Quixtar does not.
Partner Stores, Quixtar Exclusives, store for more. blah, blah, blah. I swear you just copy and paste that crap. NOBODY CARES! It's too expensive + shipping!! get it? That's the problem! I've seen the prices! You have absolutely zilch control over that!!!!!If the prices are "fair" then why would people not stay active just to get these great items at "fair" prices? Likely because the prices aren't as "fair" as you suggest.
And if this is such a fantastic opportunity, where the hell are the Quixtar diamonds? Not one diamond that was never in when it was Amway has surfaced. Why?
I hope your other business does well, I really do. Because this one will not. Sorry. That's just reality.
chris--I ask for your facts because all other facts found on the internet point to disaster and ruin. Again, I am speaking about facts, not hype.
If you could present facts to the good people of this blog then you might be able to show otherwise.
You cannot prove otherwise, right? This is why you don't want to disclose.
DF,
I already gave you my reply. I think that visitors of this blog can respect that.
Rocket,
You know that the majority of active IBO's, Members and Clients feel that the prices are fair. The last estimates I heard were that there was around 800,000 IBO's, Members and Clients in North America and I would venture to say that the majority of them feel that the prices are fair.
By the way, I have several people in my organization who for personal reasons have decided not to build their own business at the time, and almost all of them still continue to buy products because they love them. I have even had referrals from non-active IBO's for people that want to buy products.
On this blog the topic of new diamonds since Quixtar has come up, and I have had some comments on those posts. I have not looked into how many new emeralds there have been since the launch of Quixtar, but I would assume hundreds based on what I have heard.
Most organizations have focused on depth with Quixtar and so you will see more secure businesses at the emerald level, and less people will go Diamond and fall out of qualification, so it is a great thing.
Rocket, I did not just do a copy paste job when I talked about Partner Stores, Store for More and Exclusives. I took my time to help you and others understand the prices more and I thought that it was a good example. You must not have taken the time to read it because there are valid points there that make sense.
Both of my businesses do well, so why would you attack my business by saying that it will not do well? My numbers grow every single month. This month will be my best month ever, and next month will be even better. This year will be my best yet. My organization is fired up and there is momentum. People are making money and everyone is excited. We do not have the problems that all of you critics talk about.
PJ, in your example you actually help prove the point that Quixtar can save more time than Costco.
For most people, Costco is a much further drive than 15 minutes, and there is almost no way to get in and out of Costco in 10 minutes. On top of that, I have never heard of someone going to Costco to just buy one small product. The reality is that if someone runs out of toothpaste and they need it quick, that they will probably just go to the closest grocery store.
On the other hand, I don't run out of toothpaste ever because I have a new tube of toothpaste show up before my other one runs out. And if somehow I run out, then I will just go to the closest store and buy a small tube to get me by. The time that I have saved from Ditto Delivery, I have been able to trade for income and make more money.
Most people these days are time starved and are more interested in saving time than money. When I show the plan, I ask people which is more important, and unless they are very young, it is almost always time.
So if someone trades their time for $30/hour at their job, and it takes 2 hours to do their shopping at Costco, then that cost them $60 in time and they lost 2 hours that they could have done something else with. Time starved people love the ditto delivery service and I am speaking from experience.
Chris
"800,000 IBO's, Members and Clients in North America"
Sez who?
Validate that, then I'll address the rest of your comments.
I called up business relations one day when I read a statistic that said there were 350,000 IBO's. I don't believe everything I read on negative websites, so I wanted to find out for myself.
I asked them what the total figures were and she said roughly 750,000 and growing by roughly 25,000 each month. That was earlier this year, in like March. This number will likely decline when people don't renew, and then grow again during the fiscal year.
Chris:
No one on this blog is going to have accept unsubstanciated claims. You, for one, have set this precedent.
It is now time to reciprocate my friend.
You reluctance to provide any time of quantitative fact proves otherwise. As I said earlier....
"You cannot prove otherwise, right? This is why you don't want to disclose."
It is a simple request. I think Rocket just made a similar request regarding your claims of 800,000 IBOs.
I look forward to an educated, articulated (and substanciated) response........
Chris,
You have proved my point - I only used 'Costco' as a generic store. Sorry to confuse you...
You admit that it is easier to go to the corner store to get something. On that note, has anyone ever tried to survive on Quixtar products alone? Do no IBOs shop anywhere else? Doubt that. So, the time they are saving is...the time it takes to put one more thing in their cart? Well, that's enough for me! Sign me up!
Please excuse me while my head spontaneously ignites.
Chris
Will you give me the number to business relations?
I find it hard to believe what you just stated, and would like to verify it myself.
I eagerly await a response.
DF,
You have not given a good enough reason for me to disclose my personal information or business information to this blog or the internet for that matter. I respond from time to time to posts and questions, and if someone wants to read the comments section of this site, then they will get my views on things to help them get perspective.
Why would it make any difference to you if I have 10 IBO's in my organization, or if I have 1000? If I am a Silver, Platinum or Emerald? If I am making $1000 per month or $10,000?
On top of that, IBO's are not supposed to disclose their LOS information except as authorized by Quixtar. I do not have that authorization so I wouldn't disclose it anyhow.
And beyond that, I don't know you or anyone on this blog. Nobody here has shared any personal information with me, so why should I be the only one disclosing these figures?
I have given you a general idea of how much I earn per year, and based on my comments on this post, I would hope that you feel that I am experienced and have proven myself enough to at least be listened to. Whether or not anyone believes me or agrees with me is up to them, and I accept that.
Rocket, I don't have the business relations number in front of me, but I will try to get that to you, or you could call 800-253-6500 and request it. If you would like proof of that figure I can probably get that information for you.
By the way, before you call I would love to hear your guess as to how many total IBO's Members and Clients are registered with Quixtar right now. When you said that you find it hard to believe, did you think that number was too high or too small?
Not to worry Chris. I guess there are IBO's out there who don't mind if I verify what you've claimed. I have the number I need to call.
I'll be back
Chris:
I completely disagree w/you. Lots of people of share their personal stories of getting 'scammed' by Amquix. They have disclosed how long they were involved, how much they were making (or net losses) and how many people they had under them.
However, according to your claims. you are doing quite well. So, you should in turn, provide the accurate numbers to back your story.
You are embarassing yourself out here. Seriously, do yourself a favor and back your story with facts.
DF,
I have disclosed more information about myself on this blog than you have about yourself. And you still want more. Then when I give you more you will pick that apart and ask for more and use these same style comments. You will not be satisfied but instead use it as an opportunity to try to scrutinize my business.
Here is a question for you. What numbers would you need to hear to not criticize the IBO and see that they actually have a good business?
Chris:
You haven't disclosed anything. People are starting to see you as somene as "all fluff, no stuff".
Until you have numbers (ANY numbers) to back up what you've done, you're just blasting hot air.
You've already come half way with a VAGUE idea of your profile:
a. 5 years in
b. lots of people under you
c. $10,000's in annual income
So, let's refine the discussion to get to the real deal:
a. No additonal info needed
b. How many people?
c. How much revenue? What is net
(not gross) profit?
These are all fair questions that will benefit ANYONE looking for answers.
DF, we can do this all day, but you are going nowhere. I know nothing about you. You have disclosed nothing, and I don't care to know anything about you or share anything with you for that matter. I have shared plenty and have given you enough information.
You have not answered my questions so why should I answer yours?
How does it help you to know exact numbers (which change monthly)?
What difference could it possibly make whether I have 100 in my organization or 1000?
The only reason you want to know this information is to criticize me for it and try to spin it negative against me, so no matter what I give you will do that, so why would I give you any more infomation than I have?
Then when I give you that information you will just want to know more and more and keep asking questions about my personal business. Next will come, "how many hours per week do you work your business" and "how many people quit in your business each year" and so on and so on.
If you were a potential business partner of mine and asked me those questions, I would gladly answer. I am very forward with people about my business. Just not you! I wouldn't tell people things if their intent was to use it against me no matter what.
What numbers would you need to see that you wouldn't criticize but instead say "good job, way to go, if more IBO's follow that lead, then this business will be great for them". Nope, you would never say that, you would only spin negative, so sorry but I have answered your questions enough.
I'm not to say "good job", nor am I out to say "bad job". I just want to see what is REALLY doing out there.....
You have sung the praises of the system, now you have to back it up with facts.
So do it already!
DF, who are you to say that I have to back myself up? I don't have to do anything, this is all voluntary. You are choosing not to disclose details about yourself, and I am matching your commitment.
Get over it man, you are trying over and over to get information that you will not get. It proves nothing nor disproves nothing. It makes no difference. End of discussion.
I hope that this doesn't turn into a blog where people start pressuring other people to disclose information about themselves. If someone wants to share something then let them share it, but don't pressure them.
Brilliant!
Posted by: Dave S | October 12, 2004 11:13 PM