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October 18, 2004
Monday Reader Mail: 17
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Today's Reader Mail seems to indicate that the Amway-to-Quixtar confusion continues.
name: current IBOI've never heard of the "5%" explanation before, that's interesting. And just answer the other questions, my wife was officially "in" Quixtar from around February 2002 to December 2003. She was in QBiz which is somehow connected to Yager's InterNET Services. And while on the subject of various groups, it's come to my attention that some groups have serious problems but it's always (without exception) NOT MY GROUP. Just like the invisible "Not Me" kid in the Family Circus comics, all problematic Quixtar support groups are easily described as "Those Other Groups." If you're a Quixtar IBO and would like to start your own motivational group, might I suggest naming it "Not My Group" to avoid confusion whenever various problems surface.
date: June 2, 2004message: I am responding to your question about whether quixtar is amway. When I first signed up in 1999, I was told that Quixtar was started by the Sons of the Amway owners. They wanted to get away from the process Amway uses. And that Quixtar only allows 5% of its products to be from the head Amway company - primarily the cleaning supplies. How long was your wife in the business? And what was the name of her 'group'. There are different 'business' group. Mine is Interbiz in Canada. I know of 'Yagar' in the states.
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Hmm... 5% and primarily cleaning supplies?
Let's see. Quixtar sells...
-Artistry line of products
-Nutrilite
-Double X vitamins
-XS energy drinks
-Water filters
-Glister toothpaste, mouthwash, etc
-The whole body series of stuff
-The SA8 line of stuff
-Trim advantage bars
-Quite a few other items
and yes... the LOC line of cleaners
I'm not sure where the 5% number or the " primarily the cleaning supplies" comment came from, but from what I can tell it isn't reflected in their catalogue.
My guess is that the IBO was probably confused with the fact that the products Amway used to sell represent less than 5% of the products sold from Quixtar.
As for the "Not My Group" comment, my question is if an IBO is not experiencing the issues in their organization that many of the critics talk about, then why would it be wrong for them to let it be known that it doesn't happen in their group?
I think if anything it let's critics and readers know that not every IBO organization has these issues. It is true that some organizations have had issues, and some have broken away from their upline to avoid issues. But I think that the truth is that many IBO organizations do not have the majority of issues brought up on blogs like this.
So it's too bad you had to write about it the way you did.
I've been involved with 4 organizations in 4 years. They have all had major problems. I would say that an organization without major greed problems is the exception rather than the norm.
"My guess is that the IBO was probably confused with the fact that the products Amway used to sell represent less than 5% of the products sold from Quixtar."
It appears Chris was the source of the bogus information!
Chris, do you have a source for the statistic? I find it hard to believe that if one compares the total sales results from Aug 1999 (month before Q) to Aug 2004 (comparable recent month) that the top 25 items aren't eerily similar except for XS and protein bars. Mine's just a guess though-- I have no source.
AB
AB:
Chris doesn't have any statistics--he/she has been ducking out on backing up his/her claims for weeks on this blog.
Readers beware--Chris is all hype! Do you research and ask for facts...don't be a mindless sheep!
DF, who are you to talk? What have you provided as background info about yourself for any readers. If someone reads through all your responses they will see that you are just a super pessimistic person. I have read comments where you attack IBO's on just being happy about the products. Like the XS post this month.
My statement was misunderstood. Here is more detail for you critics.
Quixtar sells products. Exclusives, Store for More, Partner Stores, etc. This represents hundreds of thousands of products of which only a very small percentage are actually products that Amway used to carry. Much less than 1%. I will rephrase my quote for you so that it is more clear.
"My guess is that the IBO was probably confused with the fact that the products Amway had to sell represent less than 5% of the products that Quixtar has for sale."
But now I am thinking that maybe the statistic is still true the way that is was misread. If someone does have a statistic on this it would be fun to know. I do know that the Sports Nutrition line is the top selling line of products in Quixtar, and those were not available in Amway. I also know that Partner Stores do millions in sales each year, and those were not available with the Amway business either.
But I am not sure of that actual statistic.
And for readers that actually read this blog, I am sure that you will see that I give detailed responses and take the time to contribute a pro-Quixtar view in a respectable way to this blog. I am not negative and I try to keep things very respectable.
Critics like DF are very negative towards the business and that is fine, but that is why he continually gives me a hard time no matter what I say.
Chris, I think it may have more to do with him being frustrated with your answers, or lack thereof, as I have been.
If a question has been asked, and you wish to answer it, do so. If you don't want to answer it, then don't.
Yes you give detailed responses. Again Chris, sometimes less is more.
I'm sure you'll say you ALWAYS answer. Yep, you do.
You sure do
Chris: What would you like to know? I make a decent living (5-6 figures, pending commission) and more importantly, I have the flex time to be a loving husband and father. I am college educated and I belive that nothing superceeds the value of an education in the business world.
There. Happy now.
Then again, I'm not the one making making claims. YOU are. You say you make 5-figs. from Amquix. How much exactly? How long did it take for you to get there? How many people did you have to get under your ladder/upline/pyramid/whateveryoucallit.
I think it is terrible that too many of your guys are making claims without being held accountable for them. In the 'real' world of business, your hype would get you tossed out of the boardroom.
So cut the hype and get down to brass tacks. Let's see some numbers!
Your figures were more vague than mine. You are a stranger. I don't trust you. I don't know you. I don't want to share more information with you. All you do is attack everything I do share with you. You have a negative attitude towards the business and towards me. Give it up, go hate on someone else.
I am not trying to convince anybody of my credibility and either are you. I have done more to show my credibility on here than you have. It is exciting that you have such an interest in me and my business, but that does not mean I am going to share it with you.
By the way, you never told me showed me how you knowing my business would change anything at all, for better or for worse. Why don't you just assume that I am at 100pv with 1 IBO, and I registered in 59 under Devos. There you have it. Let the word of mouth spread like wildfire.
Comeon Chris, I am not the one out here expounding on how great the biznass is.
For every request I make, and for every sidestep you take, you credibility goes down a tinge.
Anyone reading our banter will clearly see the reluctance you have. That says more than any excuse you can generate.
Keep ducking the issue Chris, you prove my point with every delay.....
Are you serious DF? What are you trying to gain by pressuring IBO's to give you their personal financial statements? I am sure that some IBO's are willing to share that info with you but I am not and you just keep on asking even though I have told you over and over that I am not going to disclose that information.
You are right. Let the readers read our dialogue and decide for themselves. If you want to have a discussion of issues, then I will consider it, but otherwise our conversations are through.
DF, in your own words in a conversation with another visitor to this blog, you told them...
"Pushing" your product and/or company is not right in my book. People gravitate toward success (i.e. a 'pulling' strategy), so pushing shouldn't be necessary. If pushing is necessary, you should reallly examine what you are involved with."
Yet you use a similar pushing attitude to try to make IBO's give you their financial statements. You should follow your own advice and use a pulling strategy where an IBO would want to give you their statements to help answer some of your questions.
I think that QBlog uses more of a "pulling" strategy and not a pushing strategy, which is why if I were to release more information about myself it would likely be to him and for sure not to you.
I'm tellin' ya,
"Float Your Tube"
...is the way to go!
Posted by: Porkchopjim | October 18, 2004 10:53 AM