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August 23, 2004
Monday Reader Mail: 9
By QBlog in Reader Mail
Today's Reader Mail is short and to the point (but not so sweet). It's from "beth" who doesn't seem to think very highly of me. Join the club "beth."
name: bethI guess I see things differently. I don't believe I'm tearing anyone down. There are some wonderful people in Quixtar doing some wonderful things but does that mean I shouldn't express my opinions when I notice problems or inconsistencies?
date: August 11, 2004message: I think you are a pathetic person who needs to get a life. Why not spend your time and energy in helping someone instead of tearing down people who are trying to make a difference and not just trying but succeeding. I thank God every day for this business and the leaders in it.
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Beth,
Qblog HAS helped me! He helped me to reinforce my total disdain for a company like quixand... I mean quixtar. Because of his site, I've been able to further my research of this company and talk with others who are of the same mindset, and work to find a cure for the disease we call ignorance that permeates the quixand... I mean quixtar population.
Thank you Qblog for helping me see the light!
Okay, now that the sarcasm is done I will say this. Yes there are some people who are sincerely trying to make a difference in this company. The problem is that many don't realize that they are working with insufficient information and are infact ruining people's lives in the process. Some of my own family members follow this thing blindly. They don't question anything. It seems that all I listen to anymore is regurgitated rhetoric day after day about how great a particular product may be, or about how a college education is a waste of money. I have spent many hours researching this endeavor, looking for some kind of positive in it so that I can give them the benifit of the doubt. I have found nothing. The more you look at this organization, the more you begin to dispise what it can do to those you love. It certainly hasn't helped me at all compared to what sites like Qblog's have.
I wish you luck in your quest, Beth. Don't follow blindly. Have the courage to question. If you find that quixtar is not what you thought it was. Don't try to save face. Your pride can take a hit for the sake of the long term. I think that may be the biggest hurdle for those who want to find a way out. Their pride is shattered because they are made to believe that they will be 'losers' or worse.
The uplines, tapes, books, rallies, and products don't have all the answers. Trust yourself to ask questions.
Beth,
I'm just wondering exactly what it is you (or Quixtar) is 'helping' people to do? Since the average IBO is only making under $100 a month, and they are spending considerably more than that on books, tapes, gasoline, tickets to functions and meetings, etc, it seems unlikely that they are being helped financially.
Perhaps the 'help' to which you were referring was the more vague, touchy-feely "I'm a better person because of it" type of help. GREAT! That's wonderful.
But, if that's the 'help' you offer (or have received), you can't call it a 'business' (exceot, obviously, for the person selling the 'helpful' items).
Perhaps you can share with us exactly how, specifically and factually, you have been helped by Quixtar and it's "leaders"? Please include information such as NET income, and the total amount of time you have spent to earn it.
Or, if the help has been purely the self-improvement type, perhaps you can tell us specifically how you are a better person since discovering Quixtar, and how much you have paid since the inception of your IBO for this help?
I agree with the other comments here, and I would add, that the only thing you have "torn" down is the information barrier. A couple of years ago blogs like this did not really exist, not ones that were up to date anyway....Information that was or could be viewed as "negative" was hard to find, and you were told by "upline" NOT TO GO LOOKING FOR BAD BECAUSE YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND IT, BUT ITS UNFOUNDED INFORMATION THAT IS FALSE AND WRITTEN BY FAILURES, LOSERS, THOSE WITH NO DREAM....Yeah.....Whatever.....Good Job QBLOG...Keep up the GREAT work!!!
beth:
Had I read this site several years ago, I too would have been saying "I thank God every day for this business and the leaders in it."
Only because I didn't know any better.
Now, I do.
I am thankful for some of the things I learned in the business. But ya know what? There weren't things I couldn't' have learned anywhere else. And the leaders I thought were so pure - well, turns out they weren't.
Now I thank God I know the truth.
I was there a few months ago but was able to get away after seeing information on the web that gave me like BraveHeart "Freedom"
"Why not spend your time and energy in helping someone instead of tearing down people who are trying to make a difference and not just trying but succeeding."
Beth, Baby! QBlog has helped many more people than your upline, simply by saving them money.
Grab a glove and get in the game.
P.S. They are succeeding according to whom? Themselves? Yeah, I'm sure everything is exactly like they say it is.
You may thank God now, but I'm quite sure you'll be thanking Him more when you're out of Amway.
"I thank God every day for this business and the leaders in it."
Hmm... Let me check my bible, I'm not sure if God had any responsibility for creating Quixtar.
Let's see... According to Genesis, God Created...
Day 1 - Light, Dark
Day 2 - Sky
Day 3 - Earth/land, seas, plants, trees, fruit
Day 4 - Sun, Moon
Day 5 - Birds, sea-life
Day 6 - Other animal life, humans,
Day 7 - Rested
Hmm... there's nothing I can find talking about God creating Quixtar, its leaders or the canoe.
I am an IBO. I have personally taken the past 1.5 years to try to find a hole in this system, and in the support team that I have. Needless to say I have been unable to find any.
I have found nothing but positives via this business and the teachings from my support team.
Is Quixtar good or bad? This is a topic much like that of abortion...you either are for it or against it, but there is no way that you can convert someone from the other side to yours. Why, in some cases the people do not want to admit they were wrong, or uneducated on the topic.
Becoming an IBO is much like getting a membership at a gym. If you don't work at it you won't grow. This is where people (that I have dealt with) loose track. They don't work the business, they don't associate at functions and team meetings, and they don't grow in this business and they then ask “Why did I not make any money”?
The nuts and bolts of Quixtar is simple.... to make money product must move. I am not moving that product, I am telling people about the product, and they are purchasing it themselves. I in turn make money. So when I see sites and threads that downgrade Quixtar I do get upset due to the fact that Quixtar is not an "evil being". Catholic priests have obviously been doing some bad things...so is the Catholic Church as a whole, and all Catholics bad? 20/80 rule...20% of the people ruin it for the 80%. In a business system that does not filter, or prescreen new Ibo’s doesn’t it make sense that you are going to find people that try to push the envelope, and deceive people.... can you say car salesmen? Opps, I'm sorry, you mean not all cars salesmen are bad?
When my wife and myself became Ibo’s, we were looking for something. We were looking for a better way. We have found that way via the Business System in place with Quixtar.
This is why the USA is one of the greatest countries in the world, because you have the choice of free enterprise. You can decide if a non-traditional business is for you or not.
Dannyboy STL,
You've indicated that the nuts and bolts of Quixtar are that you make money product must move. Can you tell me how much money you are hoping to make based on the sale of the products? I'm just curious about your personal financial goals. Are you hoping to make 50K? 100K?
What I'm getting at is the fact that it appears that you believe that the financial freedom illustrated at the plan presentations is aquired through the sale of products. Have you ever wondered where all of the Quixtar diamonds are? The business has been around for five years now. Certainly there should be all kinds of new diamonds sprouting up based on the 2-5 year presentation timetable.
Oh Danny Boy ,STL you have had the punch with too much Sugar!
Dannyboy STL,
Can't find any holes in the system? That's because you don't know about what they don't want you to know about yet.
Reading these kind of web pages is a good start though.
In case you didn't know:
The majorty of the money made by the "leaders" in the Amway/Quixtar business is through motivational tools.
Yep, those same things that are "essential for your success"
Just in case you didn't know
Dannyboy STL,
Take Rocket's advice and do a little research. You may find the holes you're looking for. Just don't be surprised if the canoe becomes harder to paddle once you've found them.
I have done plenty of research on Quixtar and Amway...did ya miss the part about 1.5 years of trying to blow a hole in the system? I thought you might be smart enough to know that I did some research in the time....but I guess not. I am making more than enough money via this business and 0%, nada, zip, ziltch, the big goose egg, has been off any tool.
Tools are a bad thing? Have you ever heard of capitalism????? What a concept...you mean people make money off motivational products??? INSERT ANTHONY ROBINS NAME HERE!!! DUH. ALERT THE MEDIA!!!!!!!!!! Come on. If you really have to moan and groan over the fact that someone makes money of the tools that I CHOOSE!!! to buy, um I would hope they do as if they didn't they would put them out would they....and have I mentioned that they are OPTIONAL!!!!!!!!!! Boy, some people miss the BIG PRINT while going straight to the small print!!!!!!!
MLM's all over the world have good people in them and of course they have people in them that are shady. Every organization out there has bad people, and with that all I can do is make sure that the business I run, and the people I deal with build this business with noting but integrity and moralistic values.
Well, it sounds like you've got it all figured out. Let me know when you go diamond.
Better yet, let me know when you've made a profit consistantly for about 6 months without stocking up on junk you don't need, and are prepared to prove it. Also, I'm sure we'd all be interested in the amount of money you won't accept once you are able to participate in the tools profits.
Obviously you feel you have something to prove, so I'm waiting with baited breath.
But I'm not holding it......
Dannyboy STL,
I don't disagree with you on the optional part. I would say that we are all in agreement that the tools are optional and I also have no problem believing that you aren't making anything off of the sale of them. You haven't been in long enough to make anything off of them yet. What I'd like to know is this:
When you present a plan to your prospects, I assume that you are telling them that there is the potential for financial freedom. Yes or no?
I'm also pretty sure your telling them that the tools are optional.
Yes or no?
I would also assume that the prospects are told that the financial freedom talked about in the presentation is based on their hard work doing something.
Yes or no?
What is that something? Tools or products.
Do you and your prospects (the ones in it for the goal of leaving their J.O.B.) believe that financial freedom will be the result of selling products?
Yes or no?
This is the real issue. The lower level IBOs are not told that if they want to leave their J.O.B and be financially independent they are to sell the system and not the products. This is where the deception lies. That's why the average income is only $115 per month, and why there are no new diamonds. And that is why there are sites such as this.
The arguement about a few shady people only makes it worse as the shady ones are the kingpins of the quixtar organization. So knowing that there are shady people in your organization and yet continuing to be a part of it only tells me that turning a blind eye to it is okay with you.
Yes or no?
In the research process right now...I know that Quixtar has a credit card now that you can basically buy your gas, eat out, buy from the local grocery store, etc and that will count toward your $250 or 100 PV...Am I understanding this correctly? The CC does have an okay APR or 7.9% (or close to that). Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks.
One small point. Many people sign up then don't do anything. Why? I don't know. That's what contributes to the low average income of the IBO.
Person one makes $0 and didn't do any work
Person two makes $0 and didn't do any work
Person three makes $300 (in a month), and showed the plan to 20 new households that month.
Average that out. It comes out to $100 per person even though only one of them did work. The person that works is the one who should get paid, not the one that signs up and expects to get rich doing nothing.
Also, there are new diamonds all the time. Check your sources.
Everybody wants you to get by, just not by them. If we admit that a home based business like Quixtar would actually help us make a car payment (common, let's get real - let's just pay the bills first, and get rich later), then that means we are faced with truth, and truth that requires us to do more work than what we want to do. Mediocraty rules here in the United States, and our corrupt media has an agenda.
plus you are helping all the people who should not join the business by giving them an informed opinion.
Posted by: maiki | August 23, 2004 12:56 PM