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July 1, 2004
The "Mysterious Meeting"
By QBlog in
If you know anything about Quixtar then you probably know about the "Mysterious Meeting." It's a get-together where an IBO (or Internet Entrepreneur or whatever they call it) sits you and some friends down in a living room to "show you the plan." It's sort of myterious because quite often, those in attendance (the non-IBOs) don't have a clear idea of exactly what "the plan" is all about.
Many find themselves in the "Mysterious Meetings" after a friend, relative or acquaintance told them about some Web type E-Commerce business that you can own and work in your spare time from home. It can be quite difficult to get many details about the meeting but the idea of cashing in on this "Internet E-commerce thing" is appealing enough to get your butt on a sofa for a couple of hours. Essentially, you're curiosity is piqued and what have you got to lose?
The reason I mention the "Mysterious Meeting" is because I found at least four blogs (well two LiveJournals and two blogs) within the past 10 days that give different but eerily similar accounts of the infamous "Mysterious Meeting."
Blog 1
June 30, 2004 - "So she continues to chat about elementary business terms - like 'S-Curves' and 'operating in red & black areas.' She was also quite quick with working numbers and calculating simple percentages. This charade continued, but I was like 'what is this, what's the point of this, what is this alleged "position" that you may or may not have for me?' Well that's exactly the catch - Quixtar is the name."
Blog 2
June 29, 2004 - "Today I was confronted by an older gentleman at the library. I was walking around, picking up periodicals to check the front covers for tantalizing topics to read. He noticed that I picked up a Smart Money. He tried to small-talk on how investing and saving money is a good thing. I tried to be nice and responded. He said he is a CPA, a CEO of his own company, Indian, looking to grow his investment. Then he made his pitch, 'How do you like to make extra money??'"
Blog 3
June 24, 2004 - "This guy I knew from my SI days has been writing to me and talking to me about a business opportunity involving a company called Quixtar. It seems kind of like a (crappy) business opportunity because he won't tell me very much about it except to say that I had gotten the wrong impression of it from the Quixtar website and that 'The main key in this business is adhering to the very morals and ethics that all of us have learnt in our childhood days but have forgotten to enact in our practical lives.' However, because I have trouble saying no and don't have much else to do I'm going to talk to him and his friend Jan about it on wednesday... ...Anybody ever heard of Quixtar? Should I cancel this meeting?"
Blog 4
June 20, 2004 - "The meeting at Sam's house was not at all like I expected it to be. There was only me, Sam, Sammie (Sam's friend), Sammie's boyfriend, Sam's mom, and the guy who's name I've forgotten who was presenting the 'plan.' The presentation was a full hour long propaganda speech which appealed to my supposed desire to get a lot of extra money every month and only work five to fifteen hours a week. Apparently, by joining the Quixstar company, I would be opening up my own online store that is part of a franchise of Quixstar selling their products. The only way for you to make money is to tell people to buy Quixstar's superior products from my website so that I recieve a percentage of the sales. At the end of the month, Quixstar will send me a paycheck. However, the fastest way to make money is recruit people to join the Quixstar franchise."
Just a little word of advice to all you active Quixtar IBOs out there, DITCH THE MYSTERIOUS MEETING! If you can't explain your business over a cup of coffee at a Starbucks without drawing circles on a napkin then you need to find a new way to recruit your downline. The old way sucks. This isn't my opinion, it's THEIR OPINION! The masses are speaking and they are saying this, "The Mysterious Meeting is STUPID." Got it? Good!
Finally, know this and learn to live by its truth. In the Internet Age, Information Wants to be Shared. That's its nature. You cannot go against nature. (Apologies to Love & Rockets)
UPDATED - New blog added!
Comments
Ah, how well I remember my invitation to the mysterious meeting to get in on the ground floor of a new business. As I was being invited, I kept asking, "Yes, but what do you sell?" "All kinds of things," came the reply, "We're all about e-commerce. How does Starbucks at 6:00 work?"
At the mysterious meeting, the name Quixtar was spoken in a hush, sounding like "hrrrmmmquixtarhrmmm e-commerce Rich Dad Poor Dad."
"Quixtar?" I asked.
"Yes, Quixtar. Moving right along..." was the answer.
"Quixtar is Amway."
"Well, see, Bill Britt went to Amway a few years back and told Amway that they better get into e-commerce. And that's why they created Quixtar."
"I understand," I said, and told him this wasn't the right opportunity for me.
I had to kick myself for falling into the Mysterious Meeting.
Qblog, I had to comment due to your dead-on "If you can't explain your business over a cup of coffee at a Starbucks without drawing circles on a napkin" line. I wish I had kept that napkin to add to the growing online library of AmQuix material.
Quixtar is deceiving and leads to hurt feelings and dishonesty, please do not join this organisation
I will add a "pro-blog" to this stream of brilliance. Quixtar just did 1.2 billion in sales last year, in its fourth year. Near $500 million in its first year. Failing? You must use another form of rating system than wall street uses.
I dont know who the idiots are tha write or believe the garbage you write about Quixtar but I'd like to say a thing or two about your/their criticisim.
1. "The Mystery Meeting" Whoever said that it is a mystery? Granted, Networkmarketing businesses are very unique in nature because you have individuals normally using some type of support system to increase their potential and credibility. Why is that so wrong. It works for many people but of course it isn't a full proof 100% financial success gaurantee for anyone.
The point is that legal and ethical Network marketing Companies offers the average ambitious person an alterntive to traditional employment or business without the incumberances of large capital investments, employees, zoning laws and so forth.
Asking a family member, friend or a new even a stranger to sit down over a cup of coffee in a public place like Starbucks to discuss an oppurtunity or compensation plan of any "Multilevel Marketing" business seems to me to be a very open and honest thing to do. Would you prefer they ask you to come to a dark secluded place somewhere? Or would you rather someone shoot you an $$$$ email? You dont have to like what we do and it's ok to criticize us as well but please at least use proper judgement ethics and material.
2. Everyone does not make it in Amway/Quixtar, but is that so different from any other business venture.
*Here's a newsflash* Most people dont make it in any giving subject. Why dont you reseach the stats on College drop-outs, or Failed businesses, or Master degree student success stories after graduation.
It's OK not to do quixtar but you guys need to lay off. Please get a job. Or do something better with your time.
One can get started in Quixtar for less than $50 bucks with a 90 day money back gaurantee; you are not obligated to buy anything at all to remain an "active IBO"
Which was the status of most of the negative former IBO's speaking aginst the business. (You need only to renew annually to remain "active") So any third grader can see why the "average" income is so low.
All products come with a 6 month money back gaurantee and you have an excellent oppurtunity in your hands. Thousands upon thousands of young, middle age and elderly people are succeeding in Quixtar and attaining new levels on a monthly basis: So that shatters any "ground floor" theories.
Why dont you spend some time observing more of the success stories. People fail all the time. Just look around you. How many people do you know that are disgruntle about their jobs, or their school or some traditional business that just isn't working. I cant believe how many people buy into the unreasonable assertions that this site welcomes.
3. Quixtar is not failing by the way.
They have been growing by almost 60% each year. They have essentially been around since 1959 and have increased substantially since.
For all the nonthinkers out there that takes everything they read on this site at face value, well, I'd like to sale you some land off the Pacific Coast for real cheap. You are being just as gullible as you accuse people that join this business to be.
If you want a true assesment of what Quixtar is all about than go ahead and get more negative information from this site and come and objectively check out those that are actively and honestly building this business.
4. One more thing. To the person (idiot) who wrote that "the masses are speaking"
We now know who you listen to and this explains your idiocy. Who cares what the masses are saying. The masses are the people that flip you off on the way to work every morning as you are rushing to the job that I'm sure you love very much. The masses are the millions of people filing bankrupt each year. The masses are the immoral 40 hr per week TV/Media junkies that believe everything that Dateline or 60 minutes purports as being altruistic. The masses are the geniuses that are overly involved with "World Affairs" that are twisted and presented by CNN and NBC but can't get a handle on their own bank account, let alone their families or local communities.
To all that want to listen and follow the masses voice, have right at it. You'll have exactly what they have and you become who and what they are. A disgruntle, negative, cynical, sorry, fault finding, broke minded bunch, hurling insults to those moving on in life both in and outside of Quixtar.
Whatever, say what you like, but everybody knows if one of you revealed what the opportunity was before the meeting, you'd never have the meeting. This is because it's AMWAY.
BTW, I do like my job. Not everyone hates what they do you know.
This is my opinion only. I have no interest in pursuing any statistical data to support the following claim:
If the percentage of college students failing matched the percentage of Quixtar distributors failing, it would close. That it because it would be a logical decision, not emotional.
You said, "*Here's a newsflash* Most people dont make it in any giving subject. Why dont you reseach the stats on College drop-outs, or Failed businesses, or Master degree student success stories after graduation."
I actually know no less than 15 people who have their Master's in one discipline or another. Only one of them is not doing what he wants to do. He wanted to be a pro hockey player. 14 out of 15 all make a salary competitive with that of a physician. Obviously you've been misinformed.
Really? Most people fail? Wow. I just thought all the businesses out there were still open because they were attaining their goal of making a profit. I guess it's better to be fired up about the potential to make a profit than to actually do so.
But that's just me
Quixtar did over 11 Mil in one single day last month socrates. They aren't trying, there doing. Maybe you should try again.
To Scott/Plato
For your information I have more often than not disclosed the supply company of my business prior to "The Mystery Meeting" and have had very positive responses. Sometimes negative but who cares about people with a negative bent on things that they really don’t know about.
Yes it is true that we are normally careful about how we invite a prospect to share with simply because people like yourself have spread so many misgivings about Amway/Quixtar. Again it's a unique model of business that many people happen to enjoy both the struggle along the journey as well as the rewards.
People these days are not accustomed to up close and personal dealings in business largely because of unwelcomed pressure from classical salesmanship that they have encountered at some point in their past. So for the average person to have someone that they may not know ask if they are open to information concerning business is a very uncomfortable setting. We know this very well and realize that most will not see the awesome opportunity that referral marketing offers. That’s ok though, winners in this business always find people like themselves. All others quit, complain and criticize.
I don’t remember stating that anyone hated what they do. My point is if you love what you do, do it for free. You know as well as I know that most people would quit their careers tomorrow if they won the lottery or had a sudden windfall of income. (Which is most peoples only hope for financial freedom.) I'm sure you are an exception, right?
**News Flash** Students entering college prominently outnumber those that actually graduate and excel in their careers.
Colleges are not likely to close because a large percent of their students quit. In fact, such failure rates keep them in business.
As for your Master Degree friends that are doing so well; No contest, maybe your micro-case study is reflective of most Graduate School students after college experience.
But since we are using case studies of people that we know….. I happen to know NLT 25 individuals in my local town who are actively building there Quixtar businesses and are doing very well profitability wise. I happen to be one of them. We are of divers backgrounds, religions, nationalities and social groups. Some have more degrees than a thermometer and others of us barely graduated High School. Most of us have pretty good jobs, as it would compare to the "average" person anyway, and we are all excited about helping others do the same if they so choose. By the way, of this 25 or so people, NLT 4 are physicians doing very well in their professions, at least 10 has or are working on their Masters degree and several of us have a degree or some college.
The consideration was to account for all the efforts made of the people and businesses that have tried and failed against the few that do good. The difference is astronomical. Yes most people fail, but the winners fail more often than losers who quit after a little adversity.
"All those businesses out there" did not just appear out of thin air. They worked hard to get where they are. And just in case you haven't checked lately many of them are struggling to stay afloat. Nevertheless, those that are thriving are doing so in spite of the negative criticism that come from losers like yourself that ultimately end up working for them.
Good bye
P.S. Sorry for calling you a loser, just the way I felt at the moment. "Just one man's opinion."
College students failing, not quitting, is what I said.
Yes, I am one of those that would stay employed after winning the lottery. I worked very hard to be able to perform my career. My personal belief is that while a job should not be your identity, it is still important to have a function in society. Nothing else really interests me.
Doing what you do for free is just simply not a realistic idea for most people, including those in Quixtar.(Otherwise the tape, books, and seminars would be at cost) When the average monthly income is $1400.00, I challenge anyone to live on that for a year.
How do you know that I'm against thriving business? A member of my immediate family has an extremely sucessful conventional business, and he worked very hard to build it up to an extremely well respected business. I even worked for it at one point, learned a lot. I had the opportunity to take it over, didn't want to. I guess that is wrong?
Don't feel bad about calling me a loser, I take into consideration the fact that people in the Amway business will call me a loser just because I'm not involved.
Rest assured, I've been called worse by better.
But that's just me.:)
WRONG SCOTT!
You said: "When the average monthly income is $1400.00, I challenge anyone to live on that for a year."
The average ANNUAL INCOME IS $1,400.00, NOT MONTHLY!
And THAT'S GROSS, not NET! And THAT'S according to Quixtar's own numbers which you'd suspect would be as favorable as possible. What would an independent, non-partisan audit find? I have my suspicions and I'd bet money it'd be less than what Quixtar is quoting, even though $1,400.00 a year is pretty sad.
Whoops!!
Never caught that. Thanks QBlog, for setting me straight. I almost made Amway worthwhile!
;)
Just this past weekend I was invited to one of the so-called "mystery meetings". I'm really burned up that someone who I considered a friend would waste my very few spare moments to listen to this crap.
And it was crap. A whole pile of promises that would only work if I were to recruit others in a similar way to be part of my IBO family.
Never mind the prices of the goods are grossly overpriced and the shipping costs eat up any bonus that you might qualify for.
Luckily, I have backbone and didn't let myself get sucked in to attending that "important seminar that you MUST attend to understand the business better. Only $24.00 for the day and we're expecting hundreds to attend, so get there early."
Amazing that people are falling for this.
adanaca
It's funny to watch other people get so fired up over an opportunity. The very interesting part is that Quixtar has nothing to do with any of the posts I have read on this site. The negative feedback comes from the dealings with IBO's and the positive comes from the opportunity to make money. The biggest problem with Quixtar is that they let people who are crazy into the organization. And Quixtar is actually not even resposible for that, the referring IBO's are. It would be interesting however to secretly sneak into other large corporations (corporations' that produce over $1 Billion) and see how long it would take to find some nutjobs. Maybe uncover some sex scandals or some shady accounting practices. I'd be willing to bet that it would not take very long at all. The point is that the bigger the organization, the more crap there is likely to be found. And it all comes down to people. For people who are not invovled in Quixtar, they just live their life as best as they know how. If they knew how to be successful financially, then they would be on the path or already millionaires. Unfortunately, every person you walk past on a daily basis is not a millionaire or even on the path to become one. I know, I know. "I wouldn't want to be a millionaire." OK dumbass. Stay broke and be selfish because our society has enough problems. We certainly wouldn't want people who can only think of their own needs to be amplified by a million dollars. So bottom line is if you are content with living below your potential then do not get involved. But if you do want to learn from people who are FINANCIALLY successful, then find someone who you believe can help you and start building your own business. That person is probably not the person who introduced the Quixtar business to you. Go find someone in Quixtar who you can work with and learn from them. But stop bashing an opportunity. I'll prove my point using the dateline episode. The guy who claims to have retired from Quixtar and is now financially destitute, only made $30,000/ year in Quixtar. The reason he's broke now is because he is a moron. Who retires from their job only making $30,000? You're not broke BECAUSE of Quixtar! You're broke because you are DUMB. Stop blaming your circumstances on everything else. Bad decisions result in bad circumstances. If anyone listens to that guy, they will have the same results. Thanks for going on national television and proving to everyone what a dumbass you are. This world would be a lot better off if people would think for themselves and evaluate their own personal situation and their own goals. If you want to be selfish and broke, great stay broke. If you want to help others and be productive, then build a business (not necessarily Quixtar either). Just stop being stupid.
You said:
Go find someone in Quixtar who you can work with and learn from them.
Should be able to learn from a diamond huh? After all, they're leaders.
Check out this link
http://www.amquix.info/wwdb_shores.html
Yep, they're financially successful, and I'd be sure to take all my advice from them.
Hello, I'm happy to see some intellegent posts speaking out against opportunity bashing. I"m about to join Quixstar, I've been in the corporate world for over 10 years, I'm far from being naive or stupid. look, why would Quixstar continue to recruit people and how could they if it was a scam, there was no money to be made, people would be dropping out after a year two years and giving Quixstar some really bad unwanted publicity, and maybe there would even be a class action lawsuit against them. And I'm sure the IRS and FBI know if they're legitamate or not. I've met doctors, lawyers and professors in Quixstar, and they swear by it,one doctor I met had over 10 degrees in psychology,business etc...
What Quixstar promises is a new life, but you have to work at it, put in the time and effort, some of us may require more time and effort than others, be patient but dilligent,focused, and most importantly have a positive attitude.
You'll only get out of it what you put into it!
Thanks
Mike
Have something GOOD to say? Post it here:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/quixtar_/start
It's all about cash flow.
Let everyone else just dig up $100,000 or $200,000 or $300,000 or MORE for a REAL business. Then they'll be free. Right?
fail, are u serious ? they can simply not fail ,with millions of people looking for an opportunity to make some real money and no other options available , using business gurus for examples and quoting books and showing examples of the right way to do things , kroc,walton,kiasaki,, and once their in they will continue to drive and push and buy items they dont need and convince others to do the same. there are to many desperate people out there willing to throw good money after a dream.
I just had to share my unusual but funny quixstar experience. My very good friend started telling me he's been researching a very good possible money making venture. Then he brought over a CD that he insisted I listen to right in front of him I told him I would on my own time. Then he starts talking about quixstar and products, points,diamonds,free trips, mucho cash, etc. etc. etc.
Finnaly he left and I listened to the CD by myself which talked about growth,the phone,vcr..and yes finnally getting into the drivers seat before critical mass and e-commerce merge with quixstar..but not much else.
But my point here is...the next time I saw him he wanted to take me to one of these "secret meetings" at some strangers house to discuss the business. He asked me if I had listened to the CD. I said yes and then he asked why I wouldn't want to join him tonight. I told him I wanted to watch the presidential debates. When he responded with..."I rather make money." I was really turned off with the attitude. Then he went on with crap like I don't want to be alone at the top...but I want to take my good friends with me. I thought to myself.."Why is my buddy acting like a pompus pr***. I mean it was so fake.
So then I decided to do my own research into this quixstar thing. Boy am I glad I did!
The sad thing is my good friend is like night and day now. I mean he spent 15minutes decribing how he could have saved around $8.00 by buy a chordless phone through quixstar and earn points instead of getting it at Costco. Geezzz,,I felt like saying..."Ok, who are you? And what have you done with my friend?"
Am I alone here? Or can anyone relate to a fiend or family member slipping away into this consumer, who's a paycheck? mentality.
I mean he may be successful at it, and that's not my point but do all these IBO's use these ignorant tactics.
I mean the Jeckell and Hyde in him after going into Quixstar actually killed my intrest from the get go. And that was before I discovered it was Amway. Which incidently, was never told to me by him.
Sorry for the ramble bu no thanks. And I may lose a good friend in the process while he wastes his money. Should I tell him what I think?
Hey,
I have personally met with IBOS and been to the meetings that dont explain the business just how to make money...fast and quick and to be rich, they suck in the gullible who want to make it rich fast...and then eventaully stop working all together making money off of the IBOs under them...In my meeting they talked about costco...and how they can save money by doing this or that through their business and sister sites...so I was like playing dumb like hell yeah okay...blah blah blah...
so times passed and I in search looked for other ibos pretending that I had no idea about the quixtar or anything about it...hmm funny thing...exact same story! that I got from other meeting exactly!
So then I go back to my friend...who tried to get me in...he has too become a pompas ass, and I know why...I took one of his cds that they make them listen too and videos...and they teach this...
People should be thanking you for getting them into this not you thanking them...and other hog wash ass shi@ stuff like that...
Hell, I'd rather get mixed up with the Stuff packages from home and make 5,000 a week scam then quixtar...oh and another thing...they will mess up your orders...and make you buy things you didn't....most people are to pushed over to do anything about it...like sending the package back...
dont let quixtar fool you...
Heres a real way to make money...
dont waste hundreds of dollars on these get rich sceems, get rid of some of the extra "toys" You dont need for now, work work...buy a peice of land....invest...land cant be touched when a stock market crashes... that will always be worth something...put 100 dollars into a bank account dont touch that money...add to it every once in awhile, regardless on credit history, I have found out that if you have good standing credit with a bank...they will give you a home loan...or business loan...
personal experiance...success..try it out...
Thank God for this site, did you know you can buy a few cases of XS, which is glorified Red Bull, a little cheaper, but GET THIS, you cannot sell this drink, which you buy by the case only in your cafe!!!! I have been told by our Quixtar sponsor that there is a secret way to sell it. I have watched some poor sucker friends of mine lose, lose, lose and they are simply BRAINWASHED. Have you ever looked at the delivery charge for a $10.00 item, it is $9.82. So what is happening here. Stay miles away from it. Look at the catalogue if you need to, look at the prices, 5 x higher than Walmart, and the poor IBO's might make $3.00 to sell something for $150.00 This company should be charged with MIND CONTROL
Anyone who is foolish enough to join this CULT, is going down a long hard path to Bankrupcy. The only ones who wins are those who sell them this line of crap and sell that motivational garbage...sorry fools!
What makes a bussiness? People. Why are there so many negative comments about this company. And even more. Quixtar is just the beginning. Ever tried to acyually srop moaning and actually spending time getting your fact staight. No where does it mention that this is a get rich quick scheme. It actually states that you have to put work in. How else is it going to work?
I am a proud member of this buss. And NO I am not brainwashed. I lead my own live and do it in my own time when I feel like it. I have permanent support and I get reconised for what I do. Where in the world would you find a company/Bussiness or coperation that actually reconizes everyone that achieves. Not just some hot shot but even those who just started.
Oh yeah. John Maxwell? He is a stunning motivational person that writes books on how to improve your live. Steven Covey? "Seven Habits of highly affective people" They are not part of this but they speak highly of it. We even get them personally on stage at our "mysterious meetings" for far less than an ordanary seminar. You get positive info and you get friendships for life. Is that brainwashing?
So Please. Do yourself a favor.... If you do not know the whole story and you are to Lazy to actually get up and do some investigating of your own then shut up and listen..... Remember your friend or neighbour is not always right.
To all of you here:
Any buisness will be a winner if you put 100% into it. Even Quixtar (the proper spelling). A person can make millions selling hotdogs on the street,or boiled peanuts even. The point is....What is it that you want to succeed at? What do you like to do? What would you like to do? Then do it 100%.
A Friend of ours introduced us to this Quixtar thing. Our friend is of good mind about these things and never falls for anything like this. So we decided to take a closer look at it, and be more open minded about it. So we went to some little meeting set up at our friends house. I listened and all we got out of it was somebody who is feeding off of people down on their luck at the time, or in hard finacial distress. Leaving you wishing what you could do or have with all of this money they say you are going to make. This guy that was pitting on the seminar made a comment about how another guy either had the money to go to a bigger seminar I think in The carolinas or pay his rent and he decided, (I'm sure with the persuasion of his mentor) to go. THat seemed strange to me . So we took this thing one step further and went to their weekly meeting at this hotel in Lancaster P.a. My first impression was I f I am going to look or act like these droids then I don't want to do this There was so much hooping and yelling out how awesome these motivational speakers were, and how they are so fired up about this crap. They were all drinking these energy drinks like water It was 10:00 mat night and these people were so wacked out on these enrgy drink, the women were acting like Junior high girls at slumber party. It was really scarry. I thought I was in some cult meeting. THey are all like a big family but in a really weird way. They talked this big seminar up like it was the nexy coming of christ. And you had to go if you were going to be anything in this company. And thaey split the women up from the men and the women talked about what needs to be worn and how to put on make-up, by now it was 10:30 I had enough I was out of there. Thank goodness we did not buy into anything. I would strongly encourage everyone who is remotely interested in this crap inthe smallest of way to stay away These people are BRAINWASHED. THEY NEED HELP.
I have to say that I have never been so excited about a bussiness like this. I have met so many great people. I love the products and the service and I have never made money like I have been since I joined Quixtar a few months ago. GO, GO, GO and keep up the good work. Thanks Quixtar.
I just went to one of the mysterious meetings the other day, because i was somewhat influenced by one of my friends from work who is in quixar and wanted to get me involved. I went in there with an open mind, i listened to the idea, i looked at the circles on the board, but yet i wasnt quite sure about any of it. I just couldnt get a grip of the main point of quixtar and see why i should do it. Because of this my friend and i started asking questions only to find out the instructor that was teaching the meeting, couldnt fully answer any of them! Come one if your trying to persuade somone to join you and get involved with quixtar at least be able to answer the simple questions thrown your way. I dont know what it is but im not trusting quixtar right now and it sounds like a scam and seems like a longshot to me.
i've read enough aguments on both sides. i think its time one of these "succesful Quixtar fellas" tells us what the hell their company does and why i need to buy online instead if driving 4 miles to wal-mart to get a roll of toilet paper for $.50 ... it sounds like i could get the same "cash back" reward if i were to rack up all my credit card points by buying everything with that. or transferring $ into my paypal account only to use the visa logo on my paypal card and get 1.5 % back... this is seriously looking like a very small percentage pyramid scheme, with tangebles such as caffiene water and toilet paper...
The problem with these kinds of businesses, is that they rely on FAMILY and FRIENDS to create the capital. Legitimate small business owners advertise to EVERYONE, and may I say, try not to sell to their relatives or friends because of the conflict of interest that can arise. Quixtar and Amway do the exact opposite--taking advantage of a co-dependent, naive family member, and making them the recruiter of relatives and friends. It's sick, pathetic, and 99% of the IBO's (or SOBs as I've been told) and members are flat-out broke, but will never admit it because they have such a low self-esteem, it will be the end of their prestigious "company".
It's like a dysfunctional family. You are being pressured to buy everything from one company, even though you can find much better deals somewhere else. This is just ridiculous.
I consider myself an intelligent and rational person and open to new and interesting things. This past evening I was pitched Quixtar over the internet during a good ole game of pool on Yahoo. This was for the second time mind you, the first was in college by a friend from HS. I am growing out of the naievity stage of my life and into the "you better damn well listen to your gut" since I graduated from college. I'm not bashing anyone involved with Quixtar, I'm just blabbing my opinion, which is granted by the Bill O' Rights. To me, this sounds like another way to ring people who are down on their luck and self-esteem into a cult. It seems that this "scheme" seeks out the ones in dire need of the "old pat on the back" all the time. Motivation is a great tool, but Quixtar IBO's and what not take it to freakish levels. I like motivation, but I don't buy tapes, CDs, videos and books. If you need that much motivation, you need therapy! As for the business part of it, eh...I'm not completely familiar with MLMs but I know that Insurance and Mortgage Co's work on that system. It just seems a bit like the "too good to be true" thing and frankly alot like the stuffing envelope thing a gentleman mentioned in his blog. The goal of a "business" is profit, everyone knows that. To profit, businesses buy or manufacture goods or services at a reduced rate and then distribute those goods/services at an inflated price for a PROFIT! Think about how cheap Quixtar is actually getting all that crap they're telling YOU that you're getting CHEAP. You're buying their goods/services at an inflated rate. Who's profitting from whom? Hmm.. But if you're goal in life is to have a bunch of brainwashed..wait that's not P.C., we'll say OVER motivated, people tell you what to do in your "own" business, then have at it. I'll be my own boss without the freakshow.
You must have gotten burned by some crooked individuals.
What a shame
Hi,
I joined QuixStar just recently not for the intentions of making it big, beleive it or not, not even in the intention of making a lot of money. Hard to beleive, but true. What really interested me the most was the tax benefits of owning a business. It will be great if I make a couple hundred dollars a month or a few dollars a month, but my strategy here are the tax breaks that are involved.
I am not about to involve my friends and family into this so called scam they say. I'm not the pressuring type. But, hey if they like what they see online and want to purchase, I say go ahead.
I guess what Im trying to say is that, I think as long as you go into this business smart and learn how to make the system work for you, there isnt much to lose.
Im just curious about current IBO's out there? How are the tax break working for you?
i joined quixstar as a mere consumer last year, to support my boyfriend, an aspiring IBO. so i went to two first meetings, then i went to an IBO meeting with him. It was like Tony Robbins on speed. Seriously. People were so excited, and we watched someone give "the plan" again, and people almost worshiped him. Then after we were done with the (2-hour-long pep rally) we all went to a hamburger place, and they had all the new people (me and a couple others) stand up indiviually and say our names and everyone would shout, and it was kind of scary. i was raised Pentecostal charismatic, and it reminded me of a revival meeting where someone just "got saved". And even though revival meetings don't generally scare me, this meeting did. i've never seen people get so excited about money. i mean, people were clapping and going "mmhmm" to this guy that made some money. It was weird that they were acting religiously about money, and the only way to do it was join this "club". When my boyfriend started getting out of it, because he couldn't afford to make money through QS (a bad sign for any business) they kept calling him and saying things like "I guess you don't want to make money, or be financially independent." If he tries to go back, he'll have to pay the same fee again to get into it. That doesn't seem right. Oh, and i was assured time and time again by several people in it that it "isn't Amway." That's not right, either, i don't think. i also didn''t like you couldn't just try to sell your stuff in peace, and that it was mandatory to go to the Tuesday meetings (and pay the $4 entrance fee every time, even if you're an IBO.) If you didn't go to them, you'd get phone calls, and it just didn't seem right.
CAN ANY OF YOU PEOPLE SPELL!!!!!
This is the information age. self-growth is essential to suceed in this buisness. if you are comfortable where you are than why would you even attend this "mysterous meeting". you must change in order to grow.if you're not willing to change, than remain in the rutt and keep getting what you have. this is a tried and proven system. if someone has failed in the system, it's just because they quit. anything worthwhile is difficult. you must dicide if your dreams are worth your time, if not , i would sugest you stop dreaming.
I personally know a family who has been in Quixtar for 2 years...and now they are at one of the highest levels O_o They asked if I was interested half a year ago, but I haven't been pressured since and am somewhat interested in starting up. They even want to pay the startup fee. Don't expect a ton of money back right away...things do happen slowly.
The reason most people complain about Amway/Quixtar is that they aren't seeing it for what it is: A way to get what you want -- whatever YOU want - out of life. The 'plan' starts with the DREAM discussion. The plan is just a way to get to that dream. It is so easy to say it doesn't work -- because it takes WORK.... A LOT of work to make it happen. But if your dream isn't big enough or you are happy staying in your own 'comfort zone' (it may not be a great situation, but you know what it is and what to expect) - -whaddaya know -- it didn't work. And then Amway is a scam. It isn't -- it works ! But YOU have to make it work. All the negative ideas, beliefs, and people we know constantly tell us it can't work. All Amway says is 'some will, some won't, so what -- Next !'. keep finding new people who have the right dreams -- and they will see the plan as a way to get what they want. Find out what you want - really want, and Amway is a way to get there.
QBlog, u definitely need a recent comments option so ur regular posters now what is going on in ur archive. Or close the comments in archive. But Nah, don't do that ;)
there's a sucker born every minute. Instead of drawing circles they should be drawing pyramids. Thats all that "trix-are" is. A pyramid that has and ever expanding base, and as the base expands the apex falls. Eventually at the peak of its popularity everyone is either a current member, a former member, or knows some family member or friend who was or is involved. At that point the base expands infinitely and the whold thing collapses with all the suckers left in the rubble. I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. Just find anyone you know who has joined and dare them to disclose what they've actually made after one year. Then subtract that from the time, energy, and money they spent to do that and i guarantee its near zero. By the way I'm selling shares in a bridge in bridge in Brooklyn.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4375477/
Interesting article about Quixstar
wow just think of all th3 money i can make. its soo elite i just gotta scam some losers into selling or buying this crap at infalted prices or to get some of their friends to do it. wow this is a dream come true no real work just ez money. pimpin' life
Just came back from one of their meetings and I my impression was that I think there is an obscure plan they are not telling me. All they did was talk about the wonderful seminar that will be coming up and that my husband and I have to attend. After reading some of your comments, I have opened my eyes and believe it is a scam. I would like to hear from somebody that has really prospered with Quixtar.
I had a meeting with a Quixtar rep. and the way it was presented to me was that
quixstar was the largest internet mall in the world and that it incorporated thousands
if not millions of stores into a "cyber mall" like your local mall without having to
leave your home, but as far as I have been able to ascertain this is a fallacy, considering
the fact that I can't find a comprehensive list of "partner stores" that I've been told
about, without being an IBO. So this strikes me as a little off the wall, because you would
think that a massive coaliton of stores on the net would be a bit easier to access, considering
that most companies are interested in customers ie. those that buy there products, rather then
those that sell them. I've also down some reasearch on these "bonuses" that are hyped as the source
of income for the IBO's. The figures I have come across are rather impressive, at least until you take
a closer look into the distribution of the bonuses. For example Quixtar states that since their
launch in September of '99 they have payed out $1 Billion in bones now that translates to about $200
million annualy, now thats a nice heafty sum, but when you look closer you notice that this amount of
money is being distributed to roughly 223,000 members,(these are only the active members, there are
approximetly 113,000 inactive members), now according to releases from Quixtar the average gross income
of an IBO is $115/month ($1380/year), of course averages can be skewed by an unusual high earning or low.
However this average is not based on all registered members of quixtar, only on the active members.
So here we have it "the largest internet mall in the world" that can't be accesed unless you are a member
(sounds like a country club, not a commerecial business) and the oppourunity to earn $1380 a year, now
I'm not saying that it is all bad, as one person mentioned above it is a good route to go for tax brakes,
and there are other ways to manipulate this system. The important thing to remember in any business or any
dealings with people is to believe none of what you hear and only half what you see, because if you keep your
wits about you there is always a way to manipulate any situation to your advantage if you can look at it
from all sides. Well thank you to those who took the time to read my ramblings I hope they help in some way,
just alwasy go in with your eyes open, always look for the worst but don't get blinded to the best. Audios Amigos
Thank-you all for the comments. I have lost over four thousand dollars in the past by dealing with a MLM company; (Ecoquest).
I am looking for a way to make a few dollars above what I earn at my job and found one of the cd's. Sounded too good to be true and after reading the above comments am convinced that it is not for me. Thanks again.
Well, my ex bf is tryign to get me intersted in the business but I refuse since my parents were doign it for years. All i saw was fighting no money for things I needed for school and such. I don't want that for my son or any other.
Why in this meeting such a big "MYSTERY" I mean didn't you ask any questions. Such as is this a MLM Multi level Marketing buisness like Amway. If the meeting is a mystery you did not ask enough questions of the person prospercting you. The Quixtar business is a Amway foundation! Duh. Why is this such a big suprise. May kay was baised on the MLM principal and did she not make alot of money Pink Cadilac and all. I joined Quixtar not because I was interested in making alot of money. I make a good income already. I jioned because where else can you get a education in running your own business for a minamal amount of money
The spelling errors are to fallow the theme. ;)
I just went to a meeting with my brother in law thats been an IBO for about 7 months.. I've seen his checks and know that the plan works if you put in the effort... He's makin a pretty good wage. so I'm gonna give it a go for a few months and see what happens.. cant move forward without taking risks right? If I told you that sugar was sour and had 50 people saying the same would you believe it??
I too have had a Quixtar “mystery meeting” experience recently also.
No, I didn’t attend the subsequent special seminar, I am not interested and most definitely WILL NOT be joining up as an IBO. And NO, it isn’t because of negativity from the masses or because of negative press. I have nothing personal against these Quixtar IBO’s who are trying to be successful in an honest fashion. I wish them the best of luck, seriously
I actually do agree that the masses will always be quick to point out why a good idea is so awful. Prior to the light bulb, the airplane, the Internet, whatever, the masses would have been quick to point out why such concepts are absurd. The world is full of critbots and naysayers telling you why everything is so bad.
I myself am a giddy, gullible, naïve, Mr. Positive happy
sunshine kinda guy. I believe in the
entrepreneurial spirit as much as the next guy.
yes"> And even I couldn’t convince myself the Quixtar business model
itself could work for me.
The plan is that you buy and use the Quixtar products AS A
CONSUMER and try to get others to do the same.
Ok, it’s MLM, no doubt about it, but that in and of itself isn’t
unethical, isn’t shady, isn’t a scam or whatever.
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The plan doesn’t
seem like it can possibly work because the products are non-competitive.
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> They aren’t cheaper, compellingly better
quality, etc. You can’t really make
money by reselling the goods or telling people “hey, buy stuff through my
website” because the products aren’t competitively priced and aren’t of the
amazingly stellar quality that Quixtar people would have you believe.
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Furthermore, the market is SATURATED.
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> Forget about ethics or alienating friends
or whatever. Everyone either already
has access to the Quixtar website or know all about it and chooses not to buy
from Quixtar because they feel they have a better alternative.
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> I know I do, it’s called the local
supermarket and drugstore.
But anyways, this part of the plan still isn’t illegal, not really
unethical, and isn’t a scam. It’s just
yet another business that involves getting people to buy stuff and getting paid
for it. Yes, Quixtar is a highly
successful company and profitable for THOSE AT THE TOP THAT STARTED IT.
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> To get rich, you would have to have gotten
in when Amway started. Or during the
dot com bubble when Quixtar started. Or
you need to start a new pyramid in a foreign country or area that has never
heard of the Quixtar products..
But still, this is not illegal, not a scam, it’s still just getting people to buy product, not fundamentally different from many other legitimate business.
The shady part is the false hopes of great wealth and early retirement, the so called marketing tools, motivational CD’s, seminars that YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR! Many IBO’s don’t make their money from moving product, they make their money by peddling this crap! Now here is where the scam comes in IMO, and this is primarly Amway/Quixtar has developed such a negative stigma.
Crap … what a long post. I apologize. I just felt compelled to clarify why I don’t like Amway/Quixtar.
Man, what's up with this blog mucking up posts and mucking it up with incorrect html despite it showing up correctly in preview? Anyways, sorry ...
Yea we fell for the mystery meeting and signed up to help dear friends of 17 years but we had all kinds of reservations. We asked our friends to listen to our reservations and they have since told us that they could no longer be friends because they did not need the negative influence in their lives. So, is this company a cult? I will leave that to you to decide I only wish that we would have been a little wiser so we would not of lost our best friends as well as $100.00. If you are looking at this post to help you decide on signing up or not I ask you to put your money away and hold on to what is really important in life and that is not Quixtar. Its God, family and your health all of which Quixtar can do nothing about.
My wife and I are reviewing the information now. I would just like to know from someone who is on the lower portion of the pyramid, HOW MUCH TIME ARE YOU SPENDING? HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU MAKING? HOW MUCH ARE YOU SPENDING? Sounds simple.
Thanks
We were IBO for 1 year. My husband is a student, so we live modestly. Our monthly expenses was $400 in addition to rent before quixtar. It included groceries and miscellaneous costs. When we started in quixtar for every $100 we spent earlier we had to spend around $300 dollars in Quixtar. BTW this did not include the tape, books, weekly meeting, seminars,etc.
You get paycheck after making 100PV:
$350 + S&H = 100PV in 2003 now to make 100 PV you have to spend even more. On making 100PV you get a cheque of about $7.
Rather than spending additional $150 to $200 to make $7 extra a month. I thought I did better keep that money in bank.
Also I found there are many cosmetics worth $8-10 for mosturiser, toner, clensers then why spend $20-30 for same. Belive me they are better or equivalant to what you get in quixtar.
Also to get the bonuses they show in plan and get out of red, you have to have 6 legs (Eagle Structure)and about 4 in depth. My upline was working nearly 40-50 hrs in addition to his regular 40 hrs a week work. and he had only 3-4 legs and none in depth.
David, I hope this answers you question regarding "HOW MUCH TIME ARE YOU SPENDING? HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU MAKING? HOW MUCH ARE YOU SPENDING?"
My husband had gone to a "mystery meeting" which is actually called an informational gathering about a month ago. The Senior expert took time out of his day and money out of his pocket to travel to my home to show me the plan. I was definately a skeptic at first but after the meeting it really started to make sense.
The internet is really advancing, and what store or company do you know that DOES NOT have a dot com attached to it? Not many. So, in less that 2-3 years people will be shopping more on-line than in line. This sounds very logical that people would want to get involved. Considering that gas prices are over $3.00 and you drive at least 15 minutes to the closest Wal-Mart, spend an hour in the store to get the things on your shopping list only to actually spend 2 hours in the store and buying items through impulse -which is extactly how Wal-Mart profits- wait 10 minutes or more in a line to check out and drive 15 more minutes home.
Wouldn't you think the more logical and time saving scenario is to go on-line, find the items you actually need, purchase them and get them shipped to your door in less than 2 days? Not only are you saving time, but gas money and the hassle of not dealing with finding a parking spot, uninformative salesclerks and horrible customer service.
As an IBO I have the opportunity to run my business any way I like, of course there are certain guidelines and regulations as with every other company in world. But think about it, if you have a business and do absolutely nothing then the outcome is nothing, but if you put the time and effort in making your business successful than you too will be successful, again like all the other companies in the world.
The only reason people have negative comments on business models like these is because they know someone or heard of people that were not successful, why, because those people didn't try to make it work, people expect to get rich overnight, it doesn't happen that way. It took Michael Dell 3 years. It took Sam Walton longer, and these men are some of the richest men in America.
After all this rambling I'll leave you with this fact....
95% of the population are employees, the rest of the 5% are the ones that control your time and your money. Which percentage bracket would you rather be in?
this goes out to the uninformed morons like scott!!! First of all learn how to spell, then do some homework on a topic that you seem to be so against which you know nothing about. If you want to work 30-40 years of your life to accomplish goals then go do that. But I learned something in the military... work smarter not harder!!! This business gives people the opportunity to reach their dreams if they want them bad enough. It is not a guarantee but it is more than an hourly or salary job can potentially give. You critics find the few exceptions of people who don't succeed and only emphasize them. What about the people that do????? You know something that I have learned is that people who like to criticize constantly, is usually the ONLY thing that they are good at. Put other people down so you feel good about yourself. Great thought process. I bet my Qstar bonuses, which is in the $1000's, that you will never accomplish anything great like the opportunity that Qstar offers. No not everyone makes it, but not too many people make their dreams come true with clock-in clock-out lifestyles!!FACT!!! Argue all you want. How can you put down people who are doing more than you are to accomplish their hopes and dreams? Sounds like you are not satisfied with yourself! If you critics put as much time and effort into the Qstar business as you do putting it down you would never need to work for someone else again. So instead of bad mouthing something that encourages people to fulfill their dreams why don't you go bad mouth yourself and all the other people who aren't even trying!! LIKE SCOTT! I encourage anyone debating this business to go full steam. Your 9-5pm job will never even offer this opportunity. So why quit or not even try, if you wouldn't quit your 9-5pm job that'll never get your dreams.
I've just been staying at home not getting anything done. I've basically been doing nothing worth mentioning. My life's been pretty unremarkable these days. Eh.
I just this morning was introduced to Quixstar(Quixtar?) even though in the recesses of my mind I seem to remember something about this happening 20 years ago ... and I think it was Amway, not called Quixstar at that time of course. The same "Mysterious" meeting concept was prevalent. However, one of my friends that actually over the years did very well with Amway asked me to host a meeting for her and not to reveal Amway's name at my small home gathering ... that the presenters would tell everyone what they needed to know about the business. I was not in sales at the time and felt pretty guilty about doing that (I am saying this because if you are in sales your perspective is quite different). As I look back on those times I feel a bit rediculous simply because real friends and family members will take a look if they are interested and don't have to be coerced ... it's just not right. I remember one of my friends a Howard University School of Business Management graduate told me about this fantastic way to make additional income. That the meeting was at the Hyatt Hotel down from the nation's capital ... how it was so important to be there. However, I asked him what is the product or service and he was unable to tell me ... I told him without any doubt "it's Amway" ... he said "no that's impossible" ... it was Amway and he couldn't believe his buddy's would do him like that. Not that there's anything wrong with Amway ... but there certainly is something amiss in the tactics of getting attendees to the meeting ... having them schedule and use their time without knowing more about the business. So, Quixstar and the "Mysterious" meeting, might or might not be for me but somehow it seems like the same business with an extreme makeover served up to me as a new and different money maker ... which will be at it's best for some and it's worse for others.
Kaka I think that you are a prime candidate for Quixtar! The pie in the sky promises just might give you a reason to get out of bed in the morning. As they say in Quixtar "Flush that stinking job", or in your case that stinking attitude. Keep smiling and conning your friends and loved ones Quixtar!!!!
I don't know a whole lot about Quickstar but I do know that my cousin and his wife do this and have been estranged from us since we did not feed into this "quick money" crap. My cousin is more wrapped up in this Quickstar than to be concerned at all with his grandmothers or any family's welfare. I think cult is an accurate word since this is the only way I can describe their behavior. Sad that the get rich quick people don't really see that there is no such thing. Enjoy life and family stop worrying so much about companies that offer no self-fulfillment!!!
Not much on my mind these days, but what can I say? It's not important. I just don't have much to say lately. I've just been letting everything pass me by recently, but eh.
I haven't been up to much these days. Today was a loss. Nothing seems important. I've just been letting everything happen without me these days.
I just don't have much to say recently. Such is life. I've basically been doing nothing. Basically nothing seems worth bothering with. Oh well.
I think homework has not been done. Artistry (was through Amway) has been around for many years. This is one of MANY of the many products offered directly by IBO's, and discounts etc. through Amazon.com, Verizon Wireless, etc. etc.it's incredible. I went to a meeting with my son. It is no more mysterious than when people decided to sell Tupperware, Mary Kay, Shaklee, even Life Insurance. Do they usually right off the bat tell you EXACTLY what it is? NO! Just a "product" or a "business opportunity". That's standard protocol as far as I know. Any consultants, etc.for those companies always operate this way. The "mystery" peaks ones curiousity. Just another little marketing strategy, ALL companies use strategies. Also, so many unreputable companies are out there, can they really tell you what you need to know over the phone? If they say "business opportunity", etc., most people would stop right there. They need to SHOW you in person, then you research it online. Better than them showing up at my place, meet somewhere! Quixstar is very profitable,I have been doing my research. One of their companies was #20 in Internet sales in the US! There are several profiles of successful people (my son is meeting one tomorrow in fact) online. These aren't people who setup shop at motels, or just give seminars. They become your sponsor. Yes, IF you want to become an IBO, you have to buy a $100 starter kit, just like you would Mary Kay, etc. then if you want your own ebsite/domain. Gee, what a rip off!!! Not. Then you sell the products (or buy for yourself), and those you recruit make $ for you. I already love Nutrilife and Artistry Cosmetics, NO problems with quality, etc. Yes, the sponsors/IBO's are high pressure in the sense they want people who are SERIOUS. They don't want to spend their time and gas $ on people who aren't giving 100%, would you? It's like ANY company....whether a regular corporation, or IBO operation, there are always the bad apples, the greedy ones who ruin it for anyone else.
A few things.
1. The tax write off is not true for two reasons. First, the courts only allow a business to lose money and take the tax deduction for three years. The IRS has stated over and over again that to be a legitimate business an owner has to have a realistic intention/ability to make a profit. If after three years no profits are being made, the IRS views it as a hobby. This has been the case for years and many AMWAY people have had to pay back taxes when audited by the IRS. Second, you can only write of 15-30 percent of you loses (in most cases depending on your tax bracket). You don't get a dollar for dollar refund on your taxes, if you lose $1,000 dollar, you can mabye deduct $150-$300 of that, but you have still lost $700 or so. Think about it! And again, that is only for three years. In year four, you don't get any tax deduction so you lose all $1,000!!
2. The Quixstar/Amway plan, as discussed by most above (i.e. just buy for yourself and save $30 percent and show others to do the same) is actually illegal. The courts ruled years ago that Amway was not an illegal pyramid scheme (note, they admited it was a pyramid, just not an illegal one) because the Amway rules require that all distributors sell to retail customers in order to be eligible for bonuses. In other words, Amway is not illegal because products are required to be sold (and for a profit)to persons outside of the business. If products are not sold to retail customer, then it is an illegal pyramid. Now, this requirement (by law and stated in the AMWAY rules manual) is simply ignored by upline distributors for two reasons. First, because potential recruits are normally turned off by the prospect of selling. By ignorning this rule, and in most cases saying that selling isn't necessary, they eliminate a major barrier people have to joining. Second, most of the money for those high up in the structure (Profit Sharing Directs and above) is made off of the selling of motivational tapes and tickets to seminars and training sessions. For many on top, this money far surpasses what they make from the products end of the business. If a distribuor makes a retail sale of a product, the distrubtor makes the most money and the uplines get very litte. However, when a tape is sold or a ticket for a convention is sold, those upline make a lot of profit. For example, the tapes are made for around 50 cents per tape (or less) and sold to distrubtors for $5-7 dollars. That is a lot of profit when hundreds and thousands of people are buying these "tools" and it is dividied up among the diamonds, emeralds and directs. Ironically, there are numerous court cases where one dimamond is suing another because they don't believe they are getting their fair cut of these profits, which are in the tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. If you want to know why you uplines want you on the tape of the week, buying books and attending conventions, it is because they are making profits off of it--large profits(if a PSD or higher. The saying "We don't make money until you do" is a lie. They make money the moment you buy a kit or purchase a tape, book or attend a meeting/seminar that you had to pay to attend. Even if you don't sell a thing, as long as you but those tools, your upline is making money off of you.
I just don't have much to say these days, but so it goes. Today was a total loss. I guess it doesn't bother me.
My life's been basically bland today. More or less nothing seems worth thinking about. My mind is like an empty room. I've more or less been doing nothing to speak of. Not much on my mind recently.
I haven't been up to anything today. I don't care. I've just been staying at home not getting anything done. Basically not much happening right now. Maybe tomorrow. I guess it doesn't bother me.
I haven't been up to much today. I've just been letting everything happen without me. Basically nothing seems worth bothering with. I've just been hanging out doing nothing. I just don't have anything to say right now. More or less nothing happening.
I haven't been up to anything recently, but so it goes. Such is life. What can I say? Pretty much not much exciting going on to speak of. I haven't gotten much done lately, but I don't care.
So why does it seem like everyone is afraid of Quixtar? The fact that you aren't conformable going to someone’s house and hearing what great opportunities could lay ahead for you, shouldn’t be our problem. You want coffee at Star Bucks, and an informal meeting, when someone is offering you a business, something that is legitimate, and should be treated as such. You don’t see CEO’s of companies sitting down at the local coffee shop to discuss a merger; you also don’t see them talking to a single individual at a time. Why should an IBO have to waste their time and energy talking to you, trying to change your mind, when you don’t’ even care…. Give up, move on, you don’t like Quixtar then leave it alone. Your’s is not the only opinion in the world, and just because you don’t like what’s going on, doesn’t mean that others won’t as well.
Okay....so called "Quixstar"...never before referred to me as "Amway"...which turned out to be a money making scam,leaves me now questioning why not be honest and discuss the connection between the two. Also what about "LTD", I thought LTD was the company, and quixstar was the website where you ordered your products. In addition, the website was also affilated or had links to other major companies, like Nike, Office Depot, and a few others.
When I first looked on the website, I found the products in comparasion to my local "Dollar General Store" and coupons cut from my Sunday paper for products at my local grocery store, to be a goodbit cheaper that buying from "Quixstar". Products on the Quixstar website I felt were all very expensive. Products that people need on a regular basis are over priced anyway. So is it really worth spending alot more money every month on those items. Furthermore, is the cost of shipping, that is alot of money too. By the time I am done ordering every month I am broke, and then I am pressured into getting more people involved, which I find really hard to do, because it is so expensive, and I am soo broke at the end of each month. I feel dishonest when I am told to follow the logo, as not "selling anything", but instead "offering an oppurtunity" to make more money, when I, personally seem to stay broke. Why is this? In essesnce, in order for me to make money other people have to do the same thing I am doing and be poor before rich? Also it seems like it could be something that you would have to continue striving to maintain those 6 legs, because people are not happy with the prices on the website, and because of that they feel like it is a scam and too expensive. You would be smart to have more than 6 legs, but still I believe with local sales and coupons, I would still be hard to maintain your legs, and for those legs to maintain their legs.
It just seems like this aka, a business system, might only work for people who have enough money(in example, lawyer or Doctor), to be able to buy from the wesite, and could then enjoy the benefit of paying the hefty cost of delivery, because they have the money to be able to put into the business without being broke each month. Why are the products soo expensive, where people who are blue collar workers cannot enjoy the profit because they were broke before they could become rich? Would it be wise to focus only on getting legs who already have a wealthy income? This way, they could afford to become more rich, because they are rich already, and in essence, you would have strong and secure legs to stand on that would eventually allow you the wealth also? So you make profit off of each person below you.
Why are the products so expensive, when I am told they come directly from the warehouse.
Prices for the products are way overpriced..where does that profit go? Also where does the profit from the meeting's and the cd's go?
Please someone be honest..it is very sad to have false hope...and to give people false hope...
Thank you for your honesty
I've just been hanging out not getting anything done. What can I say? I've basically been doing nothing worth mentioning, but pfft. Not that it matters. Pretty much nothing exciting happening to speak of. I haven't been up to much these days.
hahahahahahhaha..
I can't believe I was tricked into going to that horrible meeting..
I would like to comment on the obviously FAKE 'nutrition' doctor that they had there, interesting marketing technique...
how could these people actually enjoy ripping people off for a living?
Quixtar makes 3/4 of their profit selling books, CD's and seats at their seminars. This is a scam, and a professor at Notre Dame University went as far as to call Quixtar a "Mafia."
the worst thing about the quixtar guys is their stalker mentality. i cant go into a store anymore with out someone pretending like they recognize me, or trying to start a stupid converstation about what is in my basket. it is quite harrasing. if anybody has dealt with this, and has a strategy to avoid it, please advise, as i am getting quite tired of having to dodge the quixtar stalkers. i must have a sucker sign on my back or something.
if this company was so terrific, how come they have to do their recruiting in best buy and grocery stores?
I was just wondering where everyone was coming up with all of these facts, and numbers...everyone sounds as if they wrote the facts them selves. Can anyone actually back up what they have to say....Where are these facts; statistics....Where is the support for the words you speak? So many people against it and so many people for it fighting as if it all meant something. I am in quixtar, for my own reasons I am not hear to fight anyone. I just want to know where these facts are. All I read the negativity from is from blogs, but reading Forbes, and a bunch of other resourceful magazines. Listing to people like Trump, the soon to be governor of Washington I hear good things about quixtar. Just some individuals though believe they can fight what they say. WHERE IS THIS INFORMATION? That is really all I want to know I am very interested in reading it. Thank you.
Hi,
I was reading up on all the comments and was about to go to my second seminiar on Thursday but now I decided to quit for a few reasons.
#1. I'm not a salesman type of guy. The Multi-Level-Marketing structure is very intimidating. And selling the products is not what makes money, its the recruiting and recruiting that is where the money comes in. Let me rephrase that, you have to recruit people who are going to recruit and sell these products, otherwise you not going to be making much.
#2 money up front. They say its an investment, but really is it? From what a lot of sources i've been reading and what I've been told, yes, these seminars and books they recommend state say they arent manditory but indirectly they say otherwise.
Anyhow, I was readign some post, and apparently Quixstar made it to the news. Here's the link http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4375477/
i think that the idea of the mysterious meeting is to put pressure. think about it here is your family, or friends, uncle. they have been doing this, they can't be all wrong.
this is how an ex gf of mine joined. my objections did not have much weight cause her uncle could not be wrong about Quixtar.
And at the time i had not found your website. once i did i was just being negitive.
one of the problems with Quixtar is they encourage a trust us, dont hear the objections, they want you to fail, kind of world view.
i think that is one of the real goal with the Mysterious Meeting. to find people that will easily be pressured to join. this leads to why you dont see much pro-blogs. cause bloging means being open, or at lest willing to stand on your soapbox and take all the flames that will come your way.
were as my experance is that Quixtar just does not encourage that soul bareing. you are to keep in line with your downline, not share with those crossline from you.
this IMHO is just one of the reasons that Quixtar will fail, they are an old style of thought trying to do business on the net. not taking advantage of it.
sorry about the rant / essay.
Posted by: nmarshall | July 1, 2004 4:17 AM