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May 7, 2004
Blogging Dateline NBC - Wrapup
By QBlog in
Overall, I thought it was a good show. I'll watch it again later. It's odd but I think the most compelling part of the show was making the Quixtar/Amway connection. Knowing a little bit about television (and considering my dislike of Dateline), I think they packaged it pretty well and kept it interesting. They never mentioned Dexter Yager though they showed his name on one of the tapes. And they really never focused on any single person beyond Greg Fredericks, whoever he is.
To summarize the show:
1. Quixtar was Amway
2. Most IBOs only make $1400 a year, or something like that
3. Most of the money is made from tool sales and not product sales
4. Amway became Quixtar
5. Those rallies are really scary
Comments
Greg Fredricks from what I can remember is in George Fredricks group (his son) They are in Larry Winters group under Paul Miller and then Bill Britt.
He got busted on the air misquoting income, I could not believe he told them how much Larry winters makes off percentage wise of the system.
On the Quixtar responce site under IBO's interviewed it says Fredricks business is in good standing at this time.
I am thinking the clock is ticking and his time is running out!
Personal experience note:
I remember being told that nobody made money off of the tools.
JB
Joe,
With all respect, I am sorry to hear that you were also sucked into the common way of life, which is work until the job dissapears, and fantasize that your retirement options are the best way to succes. :( I guess you also have a nose for great oppertunity too.
Well, Larry, if youre going to toss around insults(which is exactly what ambots do when confronted with facts), I'm glad to see that you got sucked into a pyramid scam, way to go, maybe one day you can have enough people beneath you loosing money so that you can just break even.
I will admit I have supposedly "lost" money due to my involvement in the World Wide Group. I say "lost" because most people will measure your success by the amount of spendable income you make.
But you know what? I can name at least 20 other people, at least, who are not involved in Amway/Quixtar who have sucked my time and money out of my life. They have hurt me emotionally and in other ways that I never thought a family member or "friend" would. Should go and say having relationships is a scam because I "lost" money on it?
The people who I have met in the World Wide Group and Quixtar have never pressured me or tricked me into anything. Even though I don't continue to build the biz anymore, their friendship and companionship is far more valuable than the money I supposedly lost and got scammed out of. They were there to take my phone calls, hear my squabbles, do me favors, and whatnot. They still continue to be there for me even though I have not placed large product orders for quite some time. Are they being nice to me for my money? I don't know, I don't give them much, to be upfront and honest with all of you. I put in orders like once a month for small items I believe are of higher quality than the ones I can get at KMart or Walmart. Sure it costs more, but I'm willing to pay a buck or two extra if the product works better.
Almost all of my family, my own bloodline, wasn't even there for me when I was building the biz. It seems as if they're only there when they need to borrow money or need to have something. I believe that the reason why 99.99% fail in Quixtar is because 99.99% of family and friends never support one another. They are only concerned about themselves getting "scammed" or "sucked" into something. When they should be looking at the dream in your eye and helping you accomplish your dreams by spending their money in your store instead of some mega store making stockholders and CEO's you don't even know mega richer. YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT.
I've met 8 down to earth retirees through quixtar. One makes over $100k a year doing nothing, compared to what we do for our regular jobs. He lives one mile away from me, and I live in a middle class neighborhood. These 8 people aren't bigwigs at all. They just had the dream in their eye and capitalized on it.
Most people will sit back and watch tv (which requires less brainpower than chewing food) and believe anything and everything they hear. I tell you, Dateline in itself has betrayed you already many many times by reporting onesided stories which aren't very fair.
About the tools, I'd say their wonderful. If anyone has had the opportunity to listen to an SOT (From WWG), and pay only $7.00 to hear multimillionaires speak and give their insights, it's really cheap. I'm going to a Tom Hopkins Goal Setting and Sales workshop in June and he's charging us nearly $500 bucks for half a day. I can go and see the regional executive diamond give a speech on goal setting and dreams (not the Plan), for only $7.00 a pop. It's a good investement.
The biz as we call it has also taught me so many things. I learned who my friends are and who aren't. I've learned who in my family will prematurely judge me and who will continue to support me no matter what I do or decide to do.
The biz continues to amaze me to this day because of the type of people I have met. I guess I just found the right line of sponsorship. These people actually have family values and uphold them. These people promote positive well being and promote all the things you should do to stay healthy and alive.
The old pyramid scam terminology is getting old. You antiquixtar people can't use that anymore. Give it up. Everything in life is a pyramid with the guy/gal at the top making the most money. Look at your job. I'm sure your supervisors or President/Owner makes more than you do. I'm sure the grandparents in most family's are "paid" the most respect. Point is, if you're at the top of anything, you're getting more than the guy at the bottom whether it's in quixtar or the food chain.
Larry steele
Quixtar is a great place to be. I'm a quixtar member and I bleieve that I'm not wasting my time at all. There is people who spend ther time watching tv and doing nothing productive. This company offers you a great oppurtunity. Quixtar is not a scam they don't force to do anything you don't want to do like the system that its optional. Ther is one think I could say first of all if you are not in the company and don't know what is really about you shoul be silent. Why? its ovious people with little knowlege about the subject might misinterpret things. I suggest to all those people who are critizing go do something better with you life and remember onething the decions you made in the past reflect on you present. How is your present ? it looks to me like faji!!!!!!!!!
Nuvs
I totally agree with you. Quixtar does bring you a great opportunityand like you say they don't force to do anything you don;t want. The system is wonderful Ihave 3 months in quixtar and so far i'm loving it . Thanks to god I have put my heart into it and I'm making a good progress. To all does people who are against quixtar you don't nkow what you guys are missing!!!!!!!!!!!
OK.
So you probably got in to make money...?
Where's the money then?
NUVS,
I'm glad to hear you are in quixtar. You must not have read what i wrote, because I too am an IBO
To all the Quixtar people who "think" they are going to retire in "5" years .....don't quit your real job the federal government will shut down quixtar just like it shut down Amway
Hey
I dont bash anybodys gig, but I think just about everyone that is looking for an opportunity should get involved with something where the common person is making money. Not just the people on stage. I am involved in something , which was my first network marketing venture and my first year just getting stated I made an extra 20,000. I have been in for 2 years now and will di six figures this year. Really, I am from New York The home of the scam and when i first saw it t just made sense to own. Well if it makes sense It could make money. My best day has been 1800 and I have helped in 2 years several families to make a strong 4 figure income. It sounds to me that we are all trying to climb ladders but I found that it is what building the ladder is leaning on is what counts. Good luck to everyone and GOD BLESS.
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I am still an IBO, am I active...No,
Did I enjoy my 10 years in - Yes,
Did I make money - Sometimes.
Did I learn how to stay motivated, gain confidence, increase my self esteem and stretch to reach a goal...most definitely.
Is it BS like someone suggested? I don't really think so. The plan does work...I have seen it work, why didn't it work for me? People are very unpredictible...most people don't have character...do what you say, say what you mean. The other reason was I just made a business decision and listened to one of the messages that kept coming out of everyones lips. "Why keep doing the samething if it is not getting you where you want to go"...so...I finally let it go. I did not "quit"...I just changed what I was doing and am now making $$ in a business I created using goal setting skills I learned from it. That simple... still liked the products & the memories, it just didn't do what I needed it to do with the time and effort I wanted to invest:)
Don't go in blind and scream SCAM! Or listen to the news...they can make you believe anything they want you to. Read the printed material ( no hype or "my personal opinion" type info learn and decide. If they are making money on tapes and tell you so, so be it. You don't scream at the musicians when they are making a buck on a music cd that they sang on...why shouldn't someone get paid for promotional materials that their voice is on ...it is called "royalties". Did you know that musicians make a profit? Are the muscians hiding it from you? Common sense would say that they do make a profit on voice materials...duh!
If an entire corporation is not working with ethics...ditch em, but if it is one or two "bad egg" individuals that are not working it right...don't blame the whole for the few.
I feel a little embarrassed for those posting that condem things without specific information to back themselves up other than a Dateline commentary...it makes you look like a fool :) You can only be sucked into something if you are a follower and don't get all the information. Your friends aren't trying to suck you in...they think it is a valid opportunity. Give them the benefit of the doubt...if anything, you would read up on it and (as a good friend) save them from themselves.
I don't agree about the high priced products, or hiding information that was wrong. If you find you are deceiving or manipulating people to get what you want..that too is wrong...even steering a conversation in your own direction is premeditated deceit...plane and simple. I know all the questions & responses for the whole business and know that IT IS NOT FOR EVERYONE...NOT EVERYONE CAN DO IT... because some people are just not self motivated. Yes, you can learn to do anything, but my friend with a special situation could not do it...no matter how much you tried to tell her so...you would have to do it for her...and that would mean SHE DIDN'T DO IT. Some will, some won't ...so what! Both sides need to LET IT GO!
I am done...back to making money my way!
For those who had seen the business plan or have been in Quixtar and did not make money....
reasons:
1. You where not part of a wininng team
2. You didnt go CORE! (for at least 3 months, for those who dont know what core is meat and potatos on how to make money ask an IBO...duh!)
3.LAZYNESS
4.NO heart
5. Easly influenced by negaitive
6. NOT willing to commit
7. Did not apply the 3 powers!
8. You gave up
My husband I made 6 bucks the first month, the next 12.80, the next 214.00, do the work and you will reap!!!!!!
I dont see how these companies can be the same thing, they are complety spelled deiffernt??!! AMWAY - QUIXTAR (Come on people, get your facts stright)
Quixtar is going to make money for people who know how to sale to others, i got into Q* 6 months ago. There is money to be made if you can sale the plan to someone out there. But you also lose money in this business. Plus the fact that they say u can build this business on 10 to 15 hours a week is not true for someone who wants to build it big time. They say show the plan 5 times a week, then attend all the seminars and rallies..that it self is full time job. The products are okay, nothing great about them to crazy about. People who got in quixtar long time ago are the ones that are going to make the real money from product consumption, and the books plus cd's. All MLM are the same, it's a timing thing..people who get it and early and really follow the system become rich at the expensive of others of join late.
I am not currently active due to other circunstances in my life BUT, these people have helped me beyond belief. The WWG is full of well grounded Christians who DO NOT take advantage of others. Quxitar is not in the motivational business so how can people say that is doesn't work? I have seen some of the returns from my upline from Quixtar and not from tapes books etc. Like I said I am not active but it did work for me when I followed the plan. I was making $500-1000/ MO. extra by puting in a little extra here and there. Everybody wants something for nothing like the lottery. That is not what this is and those are the people that they talked to.
My sister is a member of the T.O.D., and I am not.
Question: Why do "all" of the T.O.D. members I have come in contact with, avoid answering my question regarding, what they make verses the hours they spend working under the T.O.D. plan?
Is this their "marching orders"?......
To Shelly, May 16, 2004
The government did not shut down Amway!
Amway still exists!
Its in over 80 foreign countries and operates out
of Michigan. It is still "in business" in the USA!
Check your facts, not someone's opinion!
Personally, I feel you get what you put into Quixtar. It is very important to go CORE in the business in order to be sucessful. Just as with any other job, you get what you put in. Many people belive that all they have to do is get a few people to sign up and then sit back. If everyone did that then no one would get ahead. It's all about using the products and getting members and clients. I personally know 11 people who are making money in the business, several of which are well into the 6 figure range making around $250,000 per year. It takes time and effort. I myself am on track to be able to retire by March 2005 and am thankful for having the opportunity to be a part of this business.
For those who have been a part of Quixtar and did not make any money, examine yourself...can you truly say you showed the plan 5 times a week, used the products yourself and created volume through members and clients? Also, did you truly support your downlines and show them the proper way to help their business grow, how to properly spend their money on products and how to establish members and clients? If you did do these things consistantly and duplicate yourself...there is no doubt that you will make money.
QUIXTAR is AMWAY reborn... i was in Amway in 1999 and remember when they converted us all over to Quixtar... i have since let it go after finding out the big income is really made from the tool business and plugging wholeheartedly into "the system"; almost nothing is made from the Amway/Quixtar opportunity itself. i must admit i have fond memories of the relationships i built my 7 yrs involved. i was downline from randy haugen.
note: i too was told no one makes money off the tools.... bullsh!!t
Think about it, you are making money off of what products you sell on the Quixtar website, but YOU are the only ones who are buying the products from the site. It's mainly just like a Rewards program for your credit card, spend til your blue in the face and get a lousy 5 bucks back.
And those stupid "dream weekends"...what a crock! Have you ever seen those infommercials for "Songs For Worship"? I swear they taped those at a Quixtar Dream Weekend.
Only spend 5 hours a week to make millions in Quixtar? How? All the IBO's in Quixtar do is hang out together and talk about Quixtar. It's more like an obsession or something. They lose all their regular friends because they only want to hang out with their upline and talk about how rich they are going to be someday.
Look at your checkbooks people! Add up all the money that you have MADE from Quixtar, and then subtract all the money that you SPENT on the Quixtar website for those stupid products and cds. Doesn't really add up the way they say huh?
I am an IBo and i found some of the things on dateline to be true. i went to one of the functions....leadership weekends in va. it did seem scary....like they were trying to brainwash u. i say this because they allowed you to get very little sleep, and continuously emphasied the same things over and over again. if i was a weaker person, i would have been chanting the clogans and what not. but i just fell asleep instead. i think you do get what you put into it, but at the same time i agree w/the fact that those tools are just a money making assest for the higher ups. u can build the business w/o it. meanwhile, tell me why my sponor is working his ass off and is still not eagle yet. .....hmmmm......there are good and bad things w/Quixtar . i just dont get sucked into all the hype and politics.
Quixtar works for those that work it. Don't build this business up to be more than it is. You take a little bit of profit instead of letting companies like Wal-Mart and Target get it. Very simple. You continue to learn business ownership skills, you learn people skills, and you learn about yourself. When you prove that you are big enough, you start to gain in the profit sharing from the books and tape sales--IT IS A BUSINESS--people do profit.
Remember, you buy stuff and get a little bit of a profit from it. You show others how to do the same. It will work for those that follow the core steps. Don't build Quixtar up to be some sort of monster, it just isn't.
JB
Quixtar works. Put God first and he will provide where he sees fit.
To all you people saying amway is shut down or IBO's are wasting time on a screwed business. Good for you. Your on the right track. Now that you know what other people that have never been in the Business think they know, why not find the positive. Sure i believe some people can get a little obsessed. But hey Teens get obbsessed over video games and Some Adults are obsessed over beer and foot ball games. The fact is it's obviously working for them or else the lack of money would have caught up with them by now.
What can you say about Quixtar? Not a damn thing that's good....My husband is into Quixtar. For 10 years he has tried to make it. I have been married to him for 3 years and never see him. But what I have seen is bankruptcy, no money to buy food, $1,000 or more for weekend seminars, no help from up-line, demands from up-line, money not paid back, high prices for everyday needs, and the list goes on and on. After all the money is spent on high priced items and the meetings to bring people in are done , when does the money show up???? My husband runs in circles trying to catch the Quixtar dream.
I wish he would wake up and smell the crap. If this business was such a great opportunity then why are not more people becoming wealthy?? I go to these seminars
and watch these people so eager to hear some wonder piece of information at will change their life and make them rich. Did they forget the $400 to $1,200 they just spent to get in the door???? Hello people, get a clue!!!!!! I hate the fact that money flies out the door for books and tapes. Up-lines tell you to read and listen to a tape everyday. That will make your dreams came true and success will be yours.... If that were a ture statement, I would be living the dream. For them it's just another way to make money.
Brainwashing??? I think so. My husband can make over $100 an hour doing computer work, but yet chooses to work for peanuts chasing the dream. I wish he would wake up!!!!!! The more I find out about this company the more it really scares me. It concerns me that so many intelligent poeple fall into this sort of stuff.
I been reseraching and looking into all of this Quixtar Stuff. I am one of those IBOs. I have recently saw and read those comments about people making money from the tools. I am just trying to figure how much money they are really making off the tools. I can only say how much I pay for stuff.
Weekly Open Meetings: $5
Bi-monthly Team Meetings: $7
Quarterly Functions: $100
Here are my tool prices:
Start Up Fee: $45.00
CD: $7.50(Single) $15.00 (Double)
Books: $10.00
Here is another thought. I am not defending or opposing, but only trying to offer an open minded thought. How much money do musicians make from their CDs? I don't think it is 80% of the profit.
So these uplines, each ones get a share so that 80% is divided up from the one you buy it from the one at the top. At $7.50 a CD, how much does each one make?
I am looking for comments because I have doubt now in the Quixtar Business.
listen quixtar ia a valid biz approved by the ftc if you think it's a scam then dont git in but it's not a scam i think that places like barnes and noble have more lawers at their expence than i do and they would not be in biz with a company that isn't legal. as for the money ask the creater of amazon.com how long it took for him to make back the money he invested in his biz and now he is one of the wealthiest men in the countryso take it for what its worth but i'm staying in and you can stay broke
Its awesome that we have a broad spectrum of opinions and experiences. One thing everyone must realize is that the world is bigger than your opinion. Whether it is positive or negative. With the Quixtar business and with Amway before that, Rich Devos and Jay Van Andel (RIP with all my heart) set out to create and oppurtunity that anybody could go out and work hard and reap the benefits. They had seen their fathers work too hard for less than they deserved and wanted an oppurtunity available for those that were willing to work. This oppurtunity is still the same today whether you think it is or not. Because it doesn't matter what you think. As long as one person still believes, he can change the facts and what you think. To all who have had negative experiences, I can relate. To all who have had positive experiences, open your mind. We all need to think more accurately and apply much more reason to our emotions to stay balanced. Whether our emotions are positive or negative. Rich and Jay never intended you to lose income. If you have a hundred bucks and a dream for a better life, your good. Period. Thats what it takes. Your so capable of figuring out how to make your dreams come true with a hundred bucks. You have no idea of what your capable of. Your life is soooo smooth compared to the rest of the world. Thats why you have time to complain about what other people are and aren't doing If your oppurtunity requires more than a hundred bucks, your not getting the purity and essense of the oppurtunity. Thats what has been lost. I love all of you whether you are mad at Amway(Quixtar) or you are in love with Amway. But relax, its just a corporation, its not that emotional about you(your suppose to laugh). Don't forget were all people and we all want to be right and we all want to know the truth whether we think we know or we know we know. I love the Amway oppurtunity because its mine and knowone can take it from me. I'm as bold as a lion with my business and I let people know I am. If I don't like everything these big guys suggest, I dont use it maaan. And if I like it, I'm all over it. As much as I want to follow them wholeheartedly, I gotta go to bed at night knowing i did the best I could, the best way I could. Even Jesus would'nt argue with that. He'd probly just say "Go get'em Tiger!." And I am. Dexter Yager Bill Britt and Ron Puryear all did their best. Know matter what their tapes teach, they just want you to do your best. They created they're systems with good intentions a long time ago but now it has just added to the heartache people experience from their everyday lives, and its caused too much confusion. I still love a lot of the teaching but the bottom line is, there isn't enough tigers out there giving people a dream, empowering people with purpose night after night. It doesn't matter if you're rich. Doesn't matter if you're poor. What matters is that you have a dream big enough to keep you in peoples homes at night giving them a bigger dream, despite whats going on in your life. Thats the most important thing everyone learns from building the Amway business. No other business has ever, and will ever teach you because for some reason, this business will always be more about people than it is about money whether you think thats crap or not. I ll prove it. I can go make money in almost anything I want. Im talented, bright and conceded (your suppose to laugh). But my life is to valuable to chase money. Or chase some dream to be famous or rich. I know i will be fulfilled through my Amway oppurtunity because of the empowerment that takes place when you give someone the oppurtunity to lift their life to whatever heights THEY choose. I take crap for havin guts enough to do this despite all the negativity around it. The crap is the reason we get so bold. Embrace it all folks! most people won't get to experience what we will especially the guys and gals that have built this business. We are a new generation with a new dream. If you talk too much like an amway clone, you might want to put down the tapes for a bit so you can find out what you really think. Let us not force our actions, but let us not be idle. Let us move with purpose, poise and precision. One must calculate ones actions and consider the consequences. The dream is greater than all of us because the dream lives even if the dreamer dies. Thats how great the dream is. If I wasnt an amway(quixtar) distributer, Id be jealous of all of you. You get to fight a fight greater than any fight thats ever been fought. The battle for control over your mind. Whether its a successful influential upline who you find yourself wanting to be like. Or anybody else who simply shakes your belief about quixtar. Its up to you to influence your own emotions and submit all opinions that affect you emotionally(positive or negative) from people you admire and people you don't admire, to your own reasoning so you can make the final decision on what will be true for you. You learned how to walk because you saw people around you walking and you tried what they were doing until you got IT right. Most of you are walking like pros today. People get too emotional about whether they can succeed or not at this business. Your mind doesn't care what you succeed at, whether this business or walking. It succeeds at whatever you direct it to succeed at. The mind doesnt know the difference between one thing or the next. Its only your perception of how difficult something seems that makes or breaks your pursuit. And persistants overcomes any difficulty or lack in any area. Quixtar isnt some special business that works for special people. Its just a thing, like any other thing that can be done. Do the thing people. DO THE THING. Im 100 pv last month (June 2005). ITS ON! Stop waiting for someone to give you the go ahead. THATS YOUR JOB. Its better to scrutinize what the BIG GUYS THINK as well as the upline you council with. No one knows whats best for you more than you do even if it seems like they do. I dont care if you're a WWDB or a BWW affiliated IBO. Its your job to screen any opinions and advice you get so you can actually take credit for your success and failure in life. Im gonna make sure my downline makes their own decisions even if some of them do blame me down the road for their success and failure. You are the key to this thing now, but its your job to find out why you're the key to this thing, because knowone can figure it out for you. I figured it out. Andwele Johnson, Mississauga, ON
What are all the Quixtar IBO's doing on this blog??? I thought that the internet was like reading the bathroom walls at your local gas station? If you are supposed to be busy building your business then, what are you doing writing on this blog in the first place? Especially the last guy who left an entry back in July, damn dude...I bet the time it took for you to write that comment, you could have shown a plan buddy! Yeah, I used to be plugged into the system, I got out because there were to many people who were not real, and were two faced. They say one thing and from the things they say or teach, you know that it means another. Why is it a right thing to do to buy an expensive car or house? Why is it the right thing to do because you "can"? Is that what you are supposed to do? Become an As*hole when you are rich through Quixtar? What if when I do become rich I don't want to spend time with my uplines because I think they are all f*cking as*holes? How about that other fact that Most IBOs only make $1400 a year? Doesn't that say something? Dateline also put it down that there is another business going on on the side of Quixtar and I was also told that no one makes money off the Books, tapes, and seminars.
There are so many things that contridict the teachings of Quixtar all the positive and negative. Sometimes it just loops and doesn't make sense. Just like the Quixtar IBO's on here leaving comments on this blog. Just as the uplines in Quixtar are taught to do...."Repeat themselves over, and over, and over" just like a record player gone broke! The same information gets old, and if it doesn't work for that person, maybe it might work if you changed it up a little bit, but, as Dateline said, there is a 99% chance that everyone who is signed up in Quixtar will not make it so why the fuck do it? Why, because you have a dream? No, because you want another way out instead of your regular 9 - 5 job. I don't know, there are other ways out there...this shit ain't the only thing in the world
Why is ther so much against this system and company. If you don't believe it then don't do it. I love my company. I love talking to people that maybe be interested and if there no, no sweat. I like the products and my team memebers and my upline. Do you think that companies like Barnes and Nobles, Circet City, Bass Pro Shop, Ace, and many other would join up with a scam.
If you work the system, grow yourself, promote the site and products, and share the bussiness with people you will make money. You get what you put into it. Everyone can't become millionaires from this. Some people don't have what it takes and what it takes sometimes you just have to have and you can't learn.
So all the IBO's out there, DO THE THING, no those the hate it keep hating and i hope you can workuntil you're 75 because that is when most of you will be able to retire. But for me. Staight tothe top. I lay the hammer down til sun down.
My husband was a IBO...when push came to shove he went out there and set up accounts with grocery stores, health stores and etc. When it all came down to it he worked his behind off and always stuck to the nine core steps. He even had it taped to the ceiling, so he can wake up to it. I remember going to a meeting with him and how everyone was cheering him on, He was new but yet already had 4 downlines and accts set up...but then the downlines dropped and he would be out in the streets from 8:00 a.m. til 8:00 p.m. doing contacts, calling people, showing the plan and guess what.. When I sat down in the ending of the year and did the math for him on how much money we spent vs how much money we made.. It was a real eye opener that quixtar is not what people make it out to be. As for the IBO's I wish all of you luck but make sure you count your money because when it all comes down to it NOBODY, AND I MEAN NOBODY will help you out when your down and out.
It works, I have been in for almost 2 yr's my parents were in amway but gave up because of people like the ones on this site.
Think about it How could a company be a scam and be Ranked 19th biggest priviate
Companies in Forbes Magazine Nov 29 2004 page 204 and guess what it's up 27%
from the year before. Why would Companies
such as Circut City and Bass Pro Shop take a risk of any type of illegal activity? I love the Internet because I can use it as a filter
to find the right people rather than waste my time on people with no backbone! I guess that is why my business is growing because I can tell them this and they can read what is real then read Web sites like this one and find out who is really telling the truth. OH Yea if it was a Scam why would we have a DIRECT LINK TO THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU SO PEOPLE CAN GET THE TRUTH? THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE
BECAUSE WE ARE LAUGHING AT YOU!!!!
chas517,
I can see by your pre-rehearsed answers that your Upline has started your mental conditioning process ...Bravo!
Let me ask you a simple question
Do you have at least 10 clients?
Not Members, not IBOs but clients (people not involved in any way with Amway or Quixtar)
Before getting involved in a business endeavor I suggest you read carefully the rules of conduct and everything you sign.
Don't go on faith as your Upline would have you do. You may be very surprised at what they don't want you to read on the basis that it will "distract you from your goals."
Don't be afraid to question what they present.
It's smart business practice ...
Best of luck!
uhh if any of u really understood quixtar and what its about, u would see its not about being a rich greedy pig. sum of you might already have those traits but besides that...lol...its an opportunity to make extra $ ON THE SIDE of what u already do. cry me a f***in river if you make an extra $1k-$2k a month and say its a scam. add that to what u already make....yea pretty good isnt it. plus Quixtar isnt a business..its a website that sells products, and does not advertise.....so they pay back sum of their profit to those who advertise for them (IBO's)duhhh. now there are hundreds of teams pluggin into quixtar... (im part of DCInternational)...and just cuz one team or one player of that team screws up and does things shady and wrong...does that make the business wrong? uh nooo. look at kobe bryant..just cuz he bangs young white girls does that mean the Lakers are bad? does that mean the NBA is bad? or a SCAM? lol no dumba**....and for the tools, cds, and books....umm yea lets say $50/mo...or lets say $9/cd $15/book...how much does college books cost? $100? $200? yea ok...do u think youll pass your classes and graduate college with out reading any books? no. ok seminars and meetings....$4/nite...conferences no more than $100/event (ever think it costs $ to rent out hotels and convention centers plus audio and video techs and setup costs)...do you think youll ever pass your classes and graduate if you dont go to class? uhh no lol...bottom line Quixtar is a business opportunity to earn extra $, and the tools, cds, & books (im under BWW) provides education not motivation. if you need to listen to cds and read books for motivation then u suck at life lol. ive only been an ibo for 2 months and i love it. havent lost money, love the people, havent heard of anythng bad. i dont think i need to say anymore....if u look at quixtar in a negative way then oh well i just hope ur opinion is based on sumone elses bulls*** opinion with out any facts or sources.
". ive only been an ibo for 2 months "
Enough said!
Well i belive that anyone who dosent know about it should just stay quiet. And those who have had a bad experience should either blame their effort or their support group. And those that talk about Quixtar in a positive way should talk with facts not just opinions. And that goes for those who talk negative about it. I've seen alot of comments saying that 99% of ppl involved in it don't succed. Now if that were true, why is the business where it is? are u saying that it is run by ghosts??
First off, In this message I will give facts and opinions from my research and limited experience about quixtar/amway and MLM in general.
I was first informed about Quixtar by a friend of mine, who himself, is still an IBO. Before his mention of it, I was unaware of Quixtar and Amway. He began to enlighten me about his business, stating that it is the number one website for health and beauty and the number two site only behind Amizon.com. I of course became interested to know what his business was. He then told me that it was Quixtar and that I can also be a partner in this business. He gave a very persuasive speech about his company, infoming me about the business plan and how I can make a sustantial amout of money in a short amount of time. When he was finish, he told me to do some research on this company and if I wanted to, to go to a seminar the following week. I then began to research the company and found out that many sites accused Quixtar of being a pyramid sceme, so to ensure I didn't draw a bias by reading into only the bad, I also gathered extesive information about the good. After researching, I finaly went to the seminar. There was a small gathering of IBOs and other guest, everyone was respectfull and made me feel that I was important. The seminar itself, lasted about an hour, and in that time I was able to come to a counclution about the company and realized it wasn't for me. My friend, whom had invited me, ask how I felt, I gave my opinion and the once repectfull IBO began to involve themselve in the conversation and I found myself explain my opinion to several IBOs in the room. In the end, I will never go back to an Quixtar seminar again but it was an experience.
Some information I did gather:
I did watch the Dateline Investigaton and read their online transcripts. The information on that, I think, I don't have to go over.
On Quixtars Reponce to the investigation it stated that the average amout of money over time is $14,000, which I found reasonable, because not every IBO stays for the long hall. (3-5+ years)
The regerestration forms state that everything is strickly volentary.
The annual bussiness fee is $40.
If one inclues the first books it's $115
My IBO friend stated that if I refer 4 people to quixtar within the mouth I get $10,000 at the end of the mouth.
The speaker at the seminar stated the for the be sucessfull in the bussinet I need to by the books and tapes, and go to the seminars each week plus the mouthly grand event. After stating that bying the items is volenary.
Educational material(books tapes..) $100-$200/mo
Weekly Seminars(not sure) around $20
Monthly Seminar $150
So, total yearly cost, around $5400
IBOs work there way up if they refer more to the site so that if an IBO buys from the site and has other IBOs also buying from the site the refering IBO get a % of the profit from each referd IBO. (I think thats how it goes)
Amway is a sister company of Quixtar which are both under the company Alticor.
The FTC considers it a lagit business
(it states volentary on the forms)
Quixtar was the number one heath and beaty site in 2004 according to Internet retaler, but is no longer at the top acording to the same site, toptensites.com, and pc magazine.
Number two website in general back in 2004 but no longer.
According to Home Business You Can Buy by Paul and Serah Edwards: If the profit is generated by recruting and not on the selling of products its most likely a pyramid sceme.
From same book: MLM Red Flags
The company or upline REQUIRES you to purchase any inventory. You should be able to get started with a kit costing less than $100 and never more than $500.
The company or upline exerts peressure on you to purchase inventroy or pay a high fee of some kind
You ar promised big profits for a very low amout of hours
The sales of products is downplayed(a pyramid scam for sure!)
There are more but I have typed alot.
Bottom line, if you feel that MLM is not for you, as it wasn't for me, don't do it, but untill you have solid evedence that you can draw a conclusion form just making accusation with out facts most will not listen.
I had my reason for geting out of this before I got in, and I do feel the this company border lines a pyramid sceme(just my opinion, not an accusation) but if people are continuing to do well in this MLM then I congradulate them, and hope they reach their dream.
Just some facts and opinions, response are welcome. please don't mind my english.
Andwele... I can't believe I found you on this page. It's been a long time. It sounds like you're doing well, and I'm glad to hear it! I'd love to hear from you - email if you ever see this (mylastname)_nav@hotmail.com
I just want to say that I got in 4 months ago and in my first month I made $300 and $400 2nd month,$400 3rd month and $720 my 4th month. I think people who talk about quixtar is because they have no heart and are lazy so they need to justify their failures. Weak mindid individuals who can't dream so they try to destroy everybody elses dream. I no what I'm capable of doing and all you negative people have fun working forever in the pyramid of your "secured" jobs. I'm going diamond, see you diamonds in peter island.
QUIXTAR is for people who have no intelligence. This is a cult and anybody who waste one second of their time is well foolish, where's all the money you people boast about having.
LIARS! My best friend of 17 years has been sucked into this and I really have no interest in continuing this relationship just because I have a real problem hanging out and socializing with ignorant forms of human life.
You guys are full of it. The #1 reason why people FAIL is they don't talk to anyone about the buisness. Plain and simple..... I just got started August 27th 2005 and I am doing great in this program as a college kid. Props to Brian Nichols mentoring me!
I spent 9 years building "the business". I do not regret my time in the business or the decision to become inactive. Quixtar is a business that is on life support with very little hope of making it and I think that is unfortunate. The leadership in most of the Quixtar organizations are made up of some the finest people that I have ever met. With that said, they are in a hold on to what we have mindset and position that will destroy this business in the next 5 years. It looks like the Ego's and lack of corporate leadership ( the tail wags the dog ) will be the death kiss to this business. Stop kidding yourself and your family. Keep your dream, take what you have learned in this business and find a place to where you can succeed!!
Best Wishes and
God Bless
Hmmm, I waste my time by walking into other stores and listening to them beg for everything. I became an IBO 3 yrs ago and have been blessed. My children have come around and understands why we did what we did, we no longer stand in line, find a parking spot, and enjoy time playing with my kids for shopping online. So there is more to just making or losing money. Time is the best thing I got out of this. Freedom over the dollar is the best feeling to have.
I tried startn this and maybe people are blinded by how much they are paying on gas to travel everywhere,meetings,tapes, books,cell bill and these products for some of the stuff i have never heard of it and when i did a search of them nothing but bad reviews except from the quixtar IBOS putting there opinion and givng a link to expand there buisness but i want a REAL consumer quote not a IBO from quixtar. And i take supplements from GNC and wow is all i can say cause the supplements on quixtar i just want to laugh at cause it doesnt compare to GNC products. None of us would buy those products if they were out to the public and we could buy better brands for CHEAPER then on quixtar. There deoderant i have never heard of 5 bucks are you kiddn me and shippn and handling one swipe on each of my pits and you shouldnt have to reapply for a week if im paying that much, dnt try to fool people with this nonsense the reason you ibos say wat you say on here is to make money yourself and lie to other people to make yourself money i went to the meetings i know wat is said dnt try and preach bout why poor people are poor dnt give me that cause my UPline i dnt know how he has time with his kids if he is supposedly making 6 figures why does he have a part time job plus all the otha 6 figure people in the buisness have a job hmm because there not making 6 figures from quixtar my upline made 70,000 in his job why would you leave that to come to a shady buisness like quixtar??explain to me how this job gives you more time with your family?? Come on people u dnt need to pay money to go hear someone speak bout motivation MONEY IS motivation itself u dnt need a millionaire to tell you end of story
I think the Quixtar can work. I have reviewed all of the negative feedback, I have analysed the business and I am going to give it a try.
If you can't research to find credible sources then i think you sould not post slander. Thanks
I believe the only way to build a legitimate business with Quixtar is to completely focus on selling products. I mean, that's what they do, right? They've got all kinds of great products for consumers. It would make sense that, to run a business like most others, you would actually have to be selling (directly or indirectly) products to consumers. So why so much emphasis on just getting more people in to do 100pv and then duplicating like mad? Hmmmmm.
Somehow, it's taught that you will be MUCH more successful if you follow the "system of tools". While spending incredible amounts of money to get to functions, meetings, leaderships, buy CD's and books, it's supposed to be looked at as an INVESTMENT. And yet, if you were to mostly ignore the system (don't listen to all CD's, only 1 function a year, etc.)and put more time into selling products, you could be PROFITING much more than someone plugged into the system.
It makes sense folks. The "system" of tools, functions, books and so on has (in most Quixtar organizations) now become an illegal pyramid by itself. Sure, the OPPORTUNITY is completely legitimate, if only you IGNORE YOUR UPLINE. Don't get pulled into the system, and you may actually make a little bit of profit.
But wait. According to anyone plugged into the system, if you're NOT totally plugged in, you'll never be as successful, right? Funny how the exact opposite is true. This is why so many people fail. They run out of money. They work themselves to death in the "system" and never get any closer. While the nature of the business may be very good for people, some at the top of the pyramid have become VERY good at exploiting the will of thousands of good people all over the world. All to satisfy greed.
If you don't like, don't do it. If you think you can, do it. If it doesn't work out, then quit. I agree that not all of the products are great. In fact, I don't like some of them. You do make money on tools. You get so much based on how many downline you have ordering tools. They give you a bonus for that. I have come to the conclusion that this oppurtunity will work for those who are strong-willed enough to ignore all of the negative and believe in themselves enough to make it work. I have been in for three years and spent way more money than I have made, but I don't blame that on the system. The blame goes sqaurely on me for not working hard enough. If you are a person who is not highly motivated and does just enough to get by, then this business opportunity will never become what you think it should. It is not for everybody and it is not a get rich quick program either. Those that make it in the 2-5 years are the ones who got lucky and worked harder than the ones who have been in for much longer and have accomplished nothing. I believe you can do anything within a certain spectrum if you put your mind to it. Obviously a para-palegic cannot play in the NFL. Something as simple as being able to take rejection more than acceptance is the underlying factor. It is a numbers game, you can use the word recruiting if you want to, but I do feel that it is somewhat of a misrepresentation. I don't want to sponsor just anybody, only those that want to do something more than what they currently are experiencing. It is okay not to like Qiuxtar. I don't like sitcoms. I do, however, want more than a teachers salary can do for my wife and I, and as long as I am not doing anything detrimental to my wife and our marriage then that is okay also. Thanks for reading and opinions are always useful positive or negative.
mjk
Hey guys I'm back and my buisness went from bein good to bein crap. The people I recruited arent doing anything. To be honest this system is based on luck, I went from 800 points to 10 points in a matter of 6 months. Not just that, I heard a few people got arrested charging people extra $$$ to go to the buisness classes... real reliable system and real reliable uplines. They don't care about us, they care about who we recruit.
With them raising the price on products now why even bother? That's what Sams club is for.
Gatorade > XS water
Organic Store = cheaper and just as effective as nutrilite.
Gary, I can understand where you came from and the situation. I was there too making it to 8,000 points then dropping down to 3000 then to 1000 then to 200. The majority of people who make it to 7,500 points never do again. Now the price on everything is raising, and now Quixtar and IBO's are trying to target younger kids to take money out of their pockets. Quixtar in the future is probably going to be shut down and is a terrible "private franchising" system. All of the people that I know that made it to 7500 declined fast and some dropped it for finacial problems. People if you are reading this, I was one of them that made it far in this program then dropped down rapidly back to nothing. It may look incredible now, but in the long run people are going to drop out. The only way to make it big in this buisness is to sell motavational tools. We are sucked into this corruption of Quixtar. I'm sorry Quixtar, but my mistakes can be learned by others reading this before they make the same mistake also.
The American Dream is to work hard, study hard, enjoy life, and to have fun and it will all pay off in the end. Quixtar is just a manipulation of people and taking advantage of lower class people and taking money from them.
My husband and I were in quixtar for 3 years. We attended every function, every meeting, we got every cd and book, we did EVERYTHING we were told to do. I must say that the only thing we got out of this experience was a TON OF DEBT. I find it quite strange that they call this a 2-5 year plan when only TWO people in the history of quixtar have every gone diamond in that time. One being Dave Severn, and the others be Greg and Jaquie Francis. I've seen a few people make some money in this business, but when everyone else in your group is suffering financially, how can you continue on with any sense of dignity. The truth is that to do everything that they want you to do in this business to be a so-called success, you have to spend very close to $1000 per month. And that does not include the functions which cost you around $500 if you are a couple. (that's for food, hotel, tickets, and gas money) I'm sorry, but there are not too many people that can afford that! My advice to you is to find an MLM company that is cost-effective! I do believe that Network marketing is a great thing, but you have to find a company that doesn't take away all of your money and give it to your upline. We are now digging our way out of debt, and deeling with an upline that has threatened us, and our former upline. The truth of the matter is that they don't give a crap about you, they may pretend to, but when it all comes down to it, they JUST WANT YOUR MONEY! So, after 3 years of leaving my young children with a sitter, and not seeing my husband, and fighting for our dream, our journey with Quixtar is OVER. Don't get me wrong, we still have huge dreams, we are just going to get to them using a different vehicle. I hope this has helped some of you that are looking into this business.
here is a breakdown of everything you have to pay for monthly (as a couple)
Continuing Education Program (we were in Winters Group) $41.25 for BASIC CEP they always encourage you to buy a lot more to give out to your group
Eagle Volume PV $700.00
Weekly Meetings $40.00
CommuniKate $31.00
Babysitters $100.00 (we only paid our sitter $25 per night)
ok, that comes to $912.25
Plus each Function is 100.00 per ticket not to mention the fact that they encourage you to stay in the hotel that your team picks out for you, and they generally are anything from 60-120 per night.
Now, obviously it takes money to build a business, but this amount of money is FAR from the $250 that they show in the plan.
Like I said before, I hope this helps. And I am not at ALL sorry for posting this!
BTW, the $115 figure is published in their SA4400
Not one single one of you will ever attain the standing of Bill Britt or any of the other silver tongued "leaders." MLM's are a "business model" not embraced by the general public for good reason! So if you want to believe that you too can be a diamond! Then good luck! See you in the poor house! I invest in ETFs and trade currency. I already have enough to retire at 38!
Do yourselves a favor and look at how much you grossed in profit this year in Quixtar and then try to project how much it will grow.
If it seems like a pipe dream then you are in the wrong business. If it seems achievable then you are the pipe smoker that believes the dream!
Get educated, work hard, invest well and save for retirement. Maybe open a legitimate business? Sheesh!
TO THE PEOPLE WHO SAY AMWAY IS SHUT DOWN YOU HAVE NOT A CLUE. ALSO THIS IS THE ONLY MARKETING PLAN THAT WORKS PERIOD. NO OTHER COMPANY CAN FIGURE HOW IT WORKS, SO HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE WHO DONT EVEN KNOW HOW TO RUN A BUSINESS BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT? YOUR JOB IS A PYRMID. CAN YOU EVER MAKE MORE MONEY THAN YOUR BOSS WITHOUT A PROMOTION? WHEN YOU GO TO A STORE DO THEY EVER SEND YOU A PROFIT SHARING CHECK? CHECK AGAIN DONT SHOW YOUR IGNORANCE.
I was glad to see this because I was almost sucked into this a week ago by one of my freinds. I told him I already had experiences with Amway & A L Williams, So I already have a nose for Bulls**t
Joe From Philly
Posted by: joe | May 7, 2004 8:47 PM